As allways Kramer, great video. I wassad toread on your website that you will no longer be making bows. I truly enjoy the one I haveand was seriously considering getting another. Nonetheless, keep the videos coming. They are quite entertaining to watch.
As always, this was a fun video to watch. Obviously, we all know that Pine is not an ideal bow wood but nonetheless, it is a functional bow. What I have found is that compression is the weakness for softer woods. I wonder if it could be fire hardened to help with compression, and maybe a cheap backing of fiberglass cloth. You might be able to get it up to 35 or 40 lbs that way and still keep the price down.
This is a border life changing video for me. I understand there's some basic tool necessary to get the project done but cost vs skill xp is insane. Thank you sir, great video
I'd love to see how you tackle making a different style of bow, even if just for one video. Something like a asymmetric bow like a Yumi bow or even a Penobscot bow. Great video, keep up the good work!
I am always curious and theorize that pine woods from 2x4s are okay for bow making, but I've never actually tried it out of fear it'll just fail... But you, not only you prove it to be possible, but also make it seem easy enough for other people to build it. Thank you very much for your efforts 😊 now I'll know for sure it'll work if I follow these instructions 👏👏
The thing with this timber is it’s hard and brittle not hard and malleable so it can crack and break pretty easily over time even with good care, technique and let’s say linseed oil every so often. It works but I wouldn’t use this timber if it was my life on the line and had access to something else. It’s all fun and that’s what matters :)
Yep, always finish your tiller before you shape up the handle. It's pointless to spend hours making a gorgeous handle just to find out your tiller is bad and the bow is fire wood.
Family histories lol . An elderly English woman / client of mine did the DNA THING . First time they tolled her she was 97% English ect ect ….every few year’s they refine the DNA technologies , and send her Updated statistics . Now the tell her she has English Spanish …Norwegian ect ect ect . Definitely No longer 97% English….similarly they did the same with her daughter . 🤷 . Seems pointless to me .
Perfect! I need to make a low poundage bow; say 15 lbs. I tried my first bow out of Mountain Maple. Lots of knots. It broke at 4 pounds. Ooops. $2.34? Is that after you removed all the waste parts of the 2X4? 😂
Kramer happy New Year my friend, great cheap build ! You should take this bow and put some glass backing on it. That would be interesting. I take it the 2x4 is pine ?
This is exactly what I was thinking. What happens to the durability if you back it with glass? Yeah, it's a cheap bow but maybe your using this to build a kids bow that they're going to grow out of but you don't want to risk it exploding on them?
I am curious about your total time invested and how much set it developed after those 200 (or 1000) shots. What does it chronograph at? I’m not asking to imply criticism; really just curious what a 20 lbs pine bow can do. Great video.
Hi sir I am building a Recurve take down bow I am from South Africa. My riser is 17 inch and I want a 62 inch bow. My limb pads will be 4 inches how long must the limbs be cut to make a 62 inch bow? I ask a lot of people and many do not know. I use my wife you tube channel. Nice video info you gave
In the past month I've been trying to make a bow and the 3 that I have built all broke in roughly the same spot(near the handle). I have used different wood and tried multiple designs(including thus one). If anyone could help that would be nice.
i always thought the grain of the wood had to be showing along the side of the bow (kind of like natural veneers) , but in this video you are using the grain flowing down the face of the bow, is this common practice, or is it just the pattern of the stave being used? sorry, if this is confusing, i find it hard to describe what im talking about
lol swampy cree/native american guy here. Damn, i wish i knew how to make one and also hunt with an bow and arrow. do you guy's bows and arrow come ready to use when buying or would i have to built it. and string it and all that complicated stuff. i mean one day i would like to learn our old ways of hunting with a bow and arrow and learning how to make one also the old traditional way.
This might be an ignorant question but as someone who has never made a bow before and has only shot one a handful of times what arrows do you use for this type of bow?
You mentioned one of the limitations is the low poundage. Just for clarification, Colorado has a minimum bow poundage of 35 lbs and New Mexico has no minimum poundage limit, both to hunt big game including elk. People think you need to have a compound bow with more wheels, pulleys and strings/belts on it than an engine block with 80 lbs to hunt. Not so.
A thought I often have watching you make entire bows from 1 piece of wood is: doesn't making the handle also affect tillering? Even if it's not by much you always seen to remove what looks like half the depth? of the wood at your thumb-pointer finger rest/grip spot.
What kind of wood is this? It looks like construction-grade spruce. Is that right? I've built bows before and I might take this on when the weather warms up.
I'm will try one over the next week (snowed in) and glass back it. I will report back. I'm after 48" with a 16" draw and 30#. I only hunt small game and birds. I live in the Oregon high desert and all the wood is crapola!
@@sherrattpemberton6089 I lived in the Alaskan bush for years and no good bow wood. I always had 2 or 3 in process because of breakage. I would've loved some Osage or Hickory. Even putting a glass back on guaranteed nothing and I was only shooting for 35 to 40 pounds. I harvested small game and fish instead of using my bullets. Just my .02
Another awesome video. Now let's say just for the sake of argument you want to take it a step further and back the bow. What's the cheapest way to effectively put a backing on it?
I remember seeing in a forum somewhere that some pine woods are denser than others. The pine from the lumber store is young and cheap pine which is going to be terrible. I also read that because it is a soft wood, you would need to make it wider and longer than your average bow so it doesn't set quickly. I always wanted to try doing a cheap pine build, but never have.
Love the content man. I just ordered some strings for you for the first time. I'm glad I now where its coming from and the will be great quality. Keep up the great work brother.
Sounds like it'd be great for just plinking. Sometimes all you really want is to get out on the range and send some arrows, and this would absolutely do that.
I’m a bit scared of starting a project. Because I tried one of the bow you made a video about and it broke on my first try. I guess I need practice to success 🤷♂️
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
I remember like it was yesterday a video you put out of a store bought board bow DIY. I wonder how many years ago that was and how long i've been with you on youtube
Very interested in bow making, never done it, but I have done a fair bit of wood working, could you explain grain (sorry, new here, maybe you already have done), tightness (growth rings) their direction, etc for when choosing a suitable plank/board. TIA
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Will it bow... Bed slats... Cheap, a lot of the cutting is already done, flexible (beech, birch but probably not pine). I think it could be good.
As allways Kramer, great video. I wassad toread on your website that you will no longer be making bows. I truly enjoy the one I haveand was seriously considering getting another. Nonetheless, keep the videos coming. They are quite entertaining to watch.
2.50 materials, $500 worth of skilled labour :P very nice
My luck i send out my DNA and it gets planted at a crime scene some place I've never been.😂
@@joeasher2876 Aren't those only about 60" long or less?
As always, this was a fun video to watch. Obviously, we all know that Pine is not an ideal bow wood but nonetheless, it is a functional bow. What I have found is that compression is the weakness for softer woods. I wonder if it could be fire hardened to help with compression, and maybe a cheap backing of fiberglass cloth. You might be able to get it up to 35 or 40 lbs that way and still keep the price down.
Yes I agree! I would love to see just how far you could take a regular 2x4 by doing simple techniques like this!
A fiberglass backing would be detrimental. It would put more load on the belly which is obviously the weak spot with this wood.
@@malcolmjohnson5941Maybe this could be helped by laminating both the back and belly with fiberglass?
Yes u can overlay these with fiberglass mesh and poxy or even leather
These would be great for larp, cosplay, kids, beginners, really like the idea
How me make arrow?
This is a border life changing video for me. I understand there's some basic tool necessary to get the project done but cost vs skill xp is insane. Thank you sir, great video
I'd love to see how you tackle making a different style of bow, even if just for one video. Something like a asymmetric bow like a Yumi bow or even a Penobscot bow. Great video, keep up the good work!
I am always curious and theorize that pine woods from 2x4s are okay for bow making, but I've never actually tried it out of fear it'll just fail...
But you, not only you prove it to be possible, but also make it seem easy enough for other people to build it. Thank you very much for your efforts 😊 now I'll know for sure it'll work if I follow these instructions 👏👏
The thing with this timber is it’s hard and brittle not hard and malleable so it can crack and break pretty easily over time even with good care, technique and let’s say linseed oil every so often. It works but I wouldn’t use this timber if it was my life on the line and had access to something else. It’s all fun and that’s what matters :)
Glad to see this channel growing. Can't wait for you guys to start selling bows again. I'd be first on the list. 😉
You should try a pine belly with a birch back! Two laminate bow. It's the traditional Finno Ugric style. A cheap yet high performing bow?
If Apocalypse Crafting 101 was a community college course, I love this
Yep, always finish your tiller before you shape up the handle. It's pointless to spend hours making a gorgeous handle just to find out your tiller is bad and the bow is fire wood.
Family histories lol . An elderly English woman / client of mine did the DNA THING . First time they tolled her she was 97% English ect ect ….every few year’s they refine the DNA technologies , and send her Updated statistics . Now the tell her she has English Spanish …Norwegian ect ect ect .
Definitely No longer 97% English….similarly they did the same with her daughter .
🤷 .
Seems pointless to me .
Congrats, Horizon; Zero Dawn gave me an itch for archery, and you've given me an itch to build a bow
Nice one. Would a piece of bamboo flooring or skirting boards work better?
I wonder how well this would work in penobscot fashion
Perfect! I need to make a low poundage bow; say 15 lbs. I tried my first bow out of Mountain Maple. Lots of knots. It broke at 4 pounds. Ooops. $2.34? Is that after you removed all the waste parts of the 2X4? 😂
This would pair really well with the straw? and silk spiral targets you showed previously.
I am annoyed because I watched one of your shorts now this video....now I want to start building bows.
Kramer happy New Year my friend, great cheap build ! You should take this bow and put some glass backing on it. That would be interesting. I take it the 2x4 is pine ?
This is exactly what I was thinking. What happens to the durability if you back it with glass? Yeah, it's a cheap bow but maybe your using this to build a kids bow that they're going to grow out of but you don't want to risk it exploding on them?
You really need to wear eye protection when you sand.
Here in Australia, We have a Hardware store, Bunnings. They sell Australian Spotted gum floor boards. They make very nice self bows
This is amazing! If I can, I would like to make this work for kids who would be able to see and help craft their own bow.
For a 60" 50-60# R/D Bow, about how thick are the limbs? (glass,veneers,core,tapers)
Kramer you and Clay hayes are really making me want to start trying to build bows 🙏
I am curious about your total time invested and how much set it developed after those 200 (or 1000) shots.
What does it chronograph at? I’m not asking to imply criticism; really just curious what a 20 lbs pine bow can do.
Great video.
Hi sir I am building a Recurve take down bow I am from South Africa. My riser is 17 inch and I want a 62 inch bow. My limb pads will be 4 inches how long must the limbs be cut to make a 62 inch bow? I ask a lot of people and many do not know. I use my wife you tube channel. Nice video info you gave
I think even I could maybe do this…… new project underway!!
In the past month I've been trying to make a bow and the 3 that I have built all broke in roughly the same spot(near the handle). I have used different wood and tried multiple designs(including thus one). If anyone could help that would be nice.
I would love to see your version of a laminated Penobscot bow!
Could you whittle this? I have a Spartan Swiss Army Knife and not many other tools.
i always thought the grain of the wood had to be showing along the side of the bow (kind of like natural veneers) , but in this video you are using the grain flowing down the face of the bow, is this common practice, or is it just the pattern of the stave being used? sorry, if this is confusing, i find it hard to describe what im talking about
No backing at all on this one?! I thought I had a nice red oak board bow up to about 26" draw at 35# it snapped.
lol swampy cree/native american guy here. Damn, i wish i knew how to make one and also hunt with an bow and arrow. do you guy's bows and arrow come ready to use when buying or would i have to built it. and string it and all that complicated stuff. i mean one day i would like to learn our old ways of hunting with a bow and arrow and learning how to make one also the old traditional way.
You never explain how and where to remove wood. What is that you're doing when you tiller it? What's that tool for?
Welsh and proud buddy your a fellow Celtic warrior lol
I made a 60lb at 29" bow out of maple from home depot. Just gotta sort through the wood
Which kind of maple was it?
you can increase the poundege by giving the bow a syah
Would using thinner boards laminated together, create a stronger longer, lasting bow?
is it possible to stabalize the entire bow stave as a first step? And if so how would it affect the overall performance?
very cool ... simple explanations work every time :)
This might be an ignorant question but as someone who has never made a bow before and has only shot one a handful of times what arrows do you use for this type of bow?
I would love to see what you can do with PVC. :>
Hi Kramer
How do you decide which limb will be the top and which will be the bottom?
Ecxelente amigo regálame el de 100 libras😅
Now try to build a penobscot bow this way to get a hunting weight bow
And now the megermend in a acual megerment that is logical like meters and cm
You mentioned one of the limitations is the low poundage. Just for clarification, Colorado has a minimum bow poundage of 35 lbs and New Mexico has no minimum poundage limit, both to hunt big game including elk. People think you need to have a compound bow with more wheels, pulleys and strings/belts on it than an engine block with 80 lbs to hunt. Not so.
A thought I often have watching you make entire bows from 1 piece of wood is: doesn't making the handle also affect tillering? Even if it's not by much you always seen to remove what looks like half the depth? of the wood at your thumb-pointer finger rest/grip spot.
How thin does the boy end up being to start tillweing on a tillering tree ?
Well, I guess I gotta go make another bow...
If you ran a few layers of fibreglass tape down the front of the bow (convex side), would that improve the ‘poundage’ and resilience of the bow?
What kind of wood is this? It looks like construction-grade spruce. Is that right? I've built bows before and I might take this on when the weather warms up.
Will the bow be stronger if you fiberglass it
I'm will try one over the next week (snowed in) and glass back it. I will report back. I'm after 48" with a 16" draw and 30#. I only hunt small game and birds. I live in the Oregon high desert and all the wood is crapola!
If you want a stronger bow why not just make it out of different wood?
@@sherrattpemberton6089 I lived in the Alaskan bush for years and no good bow wood. I always had 2 or 3 in process because of breakage. I would've loved some Osage or Hickory. Even putting a glass back on guaranteed nothing and I was only shooting for 35 to 40 pounds. I harvested small game and fish instead of using my bullets.
Just my .02
How fast can you make a good bow?
could a backing be put on it? Maybe the whole drywall tape or snake / fish skin? Would burnishing the bow with a torch do anything?
You could back that with drywall tape and wood glue. Should make it stonger for not much more price.
Another awesome video. Now let's say just for the sake of argument you want to take it a step further and back the bow. What's the cheapest way to effectively put a backing on it?
I remember seeing in a forum somewhere that some pine woods are denser than others. The pine from the lumber store is young and cheap pine which is going to be terrible. I also read that because it is a soft wood, you would need to make it wider and longer than your average bow so it doesn't set quickly. I always wanted to try doing a cheap pine build, but never have.
The pure laugh on that first shot @11:40 That's why I want to build this. Thanks for the great idea and simple explanation. Rad.
So cool, thanks!!
Love the content man. I just ordered some strings for you for the first time. I'm glad I now where its coming from and the will be great quality. Keep up the great work brother.
Sounds like it'd be great for just plinking. Sometimes all you really want is to get out on the range and send some arrows, and this would absolutely do that.
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Ist es jetzt noch möglich eine Schicht Fiberglas aufzubringen? Würde das den Bogen haltbarer machen?
If you combine this bow with the duct tape backing then you will get a cheap but durable bow.
i dont understand why alot of thumb draw bowers don't like Kramer bow builds.
I’m a bit scared of starting a project. Because I tried one of the bow you made a video about and it broke on my first try. I guess I need practice to success 🤷♂️
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
Many very successful and experienced bow builders broke bows. This is not a hobby or profession like anyome else. It takes a lot of time but is very rewarding on the long run.
Would a layer of fiberglass help increase pull weight?
Going down to the Goodwill to "thrift" me a belt sander for under $30 🙃
I remember like it was yesterday a video you put out of a store bought board bow DIY. I wonder how many years ago that was and how long i've been with you on youtube
So you see, thats where the trouble began. 11:35 That smile. That damned smile.
I heard that making a bow a recurve increases its poundage.
Buen trabajo y buen vídeo. ¿Qué tipo de madera es?
how about a jbweld will it bow?
What wood do you use
Very interested in bow making, never done it, but I have done a fair bit of wood working, could you explain grain (sorry, new here, maybe you already have done), tightness (growth rings) their direction, etc for when choosing a suitable plank/board. TIA
The ones with flattest rings, ideally going horizontally across limb, are best. The key thing is no spiral / twist . Good luck
Always love watching your simple bow builds. Though I tried to make one in the past and it was not successful I still enjoy your videos.
Also remember recurves are used to get more poundage out of the same materials.
Can you make traditional Japaneese bow
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So great :-) I´ve got very good bows. Have to try this
Very nice- pine does look good with finish, and I love the clean lines- great build!
You did it !!!
Thank you for sharing your experiments. 😄
Now I want to try and make a takedown version.... 😁👍
Thank you. Sure beats sweating it out on a shave horse.
Amazing, keep up the good work!
Wow nice job but soft woods are alot harder to work with
any advice on sharpening a cabinet scraper
Very cool great job.
God bless.
Your attitude is spot on ✌🏻
Can't wait to snap the best quality piece of pine at Bunnings! For those outside Australia, its like finding a unicorn just to turn it into dog food.
Would it help if you glued a layer of leather, fabric or something similar to the front? either to make it heavier or to extend life expectancy.
It has been done historically yes
@@BlueSparrow13 thanks, but why and who. to increase draw weight or to increase lifespan.
do NOT send anyone your dna!
Is this pine?
🥹that’s so satisfying..
Great video 👌
Love your content!
Great Video!!
Great job
Very cool! 😀
Amazing!