I glue and clamp the drawer up (before cutting in domino's)usually 30 min is enough time then go back and cut in the domino's into both pieces at the same time. This provides tighter fitting dominos with no slop and no layout error.
@@SwapnilBhartiya when you have the ability to use 1/4 or 1/2 dowels drilled side by side it can actually be very strong , no doubt festool is precise but dowels can do very sturdy joints as well with precision, with 1/6 of the cost , again depends the field and environment is used
He's not using it to its full potential, apart from using far too many dominos, you don't need to waste your time with pencil marks. The domino has stops so that you can eliminate human error. I never ever mark a single joint and its spot on every time, probably more accurate than if i did mark it out in the first place. The domino is a clever system that eliminates time wasting and enables better productivity. He needs to read the manual... or watch a demo video on it haha
Is there an issue with the fact that the domino in one of the mortises is mating to end grain. I’m sure its fine for a drawer of this size, but for a joint on a table or chair, wouldn’t using the domino be a weak joint this way?
Agreed! That seems super excessive. I have a Domino and am just getting started with using it. But I don't think that anyone would need that many Dominos on a drawer!
Theres a few things that weren't addressed. -Need to cover material depth height. -Dont adjust tenon play settings unless machine is on. While this is a great tool, the biggest issue is that you can make many mistakes rapidly. Speaking from experience lol
What’s this love with the Dominos? Pocket holes (plus glue) and dowels are perfectly strong. If your wood fails before your joint, you can’t even make repairs (homeowner point of view when stuff actually gets broken). If anything you want the joint to be just slightly weaker than the wood. Pocket hole may still strip out, but still at the joints. Maybe dowels are the best since most tests show they fail before the wood around them. I am just talking from a lay person point of view. I have no issues with Festool, it’s just good for makers, and nearly irrelevant to the user.
No. It’s better to design your joints for appropriate to application than to prove that your joint is stronger than the wood around it. Would you make an engine that last 10000 working hours but design a frame that will last 3000? Arrogance killed modern woodworking.
@@Art-is-craft you can do a lot of joints. Certainly not all. It's a good system, but no more superior to dowels or splines IMO. I have a couple of high end production chairs at home where the repeated racking has eventually wore out the domino glue joints. Easily can do the same to dowels or even pocket holes. I am just saying plenty of systems out there that works just fine and quick. Freud made a dual dowler (no longer available) that works great. Used units are dime a dozen.
Hi, does any body know when Festool's patent does run out,? I have the bigger DF700 Domino but would like the 500, bit too expensive so maybe a Makita version If they make one when it comes to it 😏
Gid joiner 1 second ago Thanks, yep Senaca do some, an adaptor for the 500 cutters but i don't think the adapted 6mm cutter for the 700 is available here in the UK
Very good point. Sadly the 1001 ways you can use a Domino as opposed to a pocket hole leaves that argument redundant. If you are a commercial user or a keen hobbyist who has limited time there is no substitute for the Domino. Had the same machine in my Workshop for over 15years have put in 10's of thousands of Dominos and it still works as well today as it ever did. Cost recouped in one job in time saving.
I really do feel that technology is starting to blind some people. I do value the 'domino' concept, and in the correct application, it is a winner! However, with a simple jig and table saw one can make an equally strong box joint, probably quicker, safer and most definitely cheaper. Also, personally, if done carefully and correctly box joints leave an appealing finish....this video is similar to using dynamite to open a can of sardines.
A dado blade on a table saw is hardly safer than a Domino, lol.. and with a simple box joint jig, you're absolutely not doing a full box or drawer quicker than a Domino would.
When a kitchen costs several thousand then $200 on draws in nothing considering the overall cost of the kitchen. Spending $50 on draws on a single cabinet is nothing if you are selling it at the right price.
That's what I thought. Now that I have one I am able to easily make kitchen cabinets, build a garage door, make tables, stools, and so much more. I make my own dominoes from leftover wood.
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I glue and clamp the drawer up (before cutting in domino's)usually 30 min is enough time then go back and cut in the domino's into both pieces at the same time. This provides tighter fitting dominos with no slop and no layout error.
I have the Doweling system and works like a charm
Roman Charazian which one do you have?
@@misscreant jessem master Doweling jig
@@misscreant and it comes with 1/4 3/8 1/2 hole plates for different applications
@@agent7agent759 Not as reliable and precise as Festool.
@@SwapnilBhartiya when you have the ability to use 1/4 or 1/2 dowels drilled side by side it can actually be very strong , no doubt festool is precise but dowels can do very sturdy joints as well with precision, with 1/6 of the cost , again depends the field and environment is used
He's not using it to its full potential, apart from using far too many dominos, you don't need to waste your time with pencil marks. The domino has stops so that you can eliminate human error. I never ever mark a single joint and its spot on every time, probably more accurate than if i did mark it out in the first place. The domino is a clever system that eliminates time wasting and enables better productivity. He needs to read the manual... or watch a demo video on it haha
The giveaway that he wasn't familiar enough is when he states he uses biscuits and dominos basically interchangeably.
Don't pack them too tight. Festool recommends 1 domino width min between dominos for strength
the intro to the video sold me more on pocket holes than domino's lmao
Pocket holes are fine but no match in quality for domino’s.
Pocket screws and biscuits is the best of both if you can hide screws or
Just use a few pocket screws for the glue up then take out after
Pocket screws are a mess.
Is there an issue with the fact that the domino in one of the mortises is mating to end grain. I’m sure its fine for a drawer of this size, but for a joint on a table or chair, wouldn’t using the domino be a weak joint this way?
Shouldn't make a difference.
Good grief, it's a drawer. Three or max 4 with glue is much stronger than the wood. Are you selling Domino biscuits???
Agreed! That seems super excessive. I have a Domino and am just getting started with using it. But I don't think that anyone would need that many Dominos on a drawer!
Theres a few things that weren't addressed.
-Need to cover material depth height.
-Dont adjust tenon play settings unless machine is on.
While this is a great tool, the biggest issue is that you can make many mistakes rapidly. Speaking from experience lol
Excelente gracias por compartir
What’s this love with the Dominos? Pocket holes (plus glue) and dowels are perfectly strong. If your wood fails before your joint, you can’t even make repairs (homeowner point of view when stuff actually gets broken). If anything you want the joint to be just slightly weaker than the wood. Pocket hole may still strip out, but still at the joints. Maybe dowels are the best since most tests show they fail before the wood around them. I am just talking from a lay person point of view. I have no issues with Festool, it’s just good for makers, and nearly irrelevant to the user.
No. It’s better to design your joints for appropriate to application than to prove that your joint is stronger than the wood around it. Would you make an engine that last 10000 working hours but design a frame that will last 3000? Arrogance killed modern woodworking.
@@Wood since when has modern woodworking died... If anything it's just been revived thanks to TH-cam woodworkers and accessibility increases.
@@Wood I was referring to Cal L's comment - tagged the wrong person. My bad. Thanks for the videos!
You can do all the joiner with domino’s. No need to start using different systems.
@@Art-is-craft you can do a lot of joints. Certainly not all. It's a good system, but no more superior to dowels or splines IMO. I have a couple of high end production chairs at home where the repeated racking has eventually wore out the domino glue joints. Easily can do the same to dowels or even pocket holes. I am just saying plenty of systems out there that works just fine and quick. Freud made a dual dowler (no longer available) that works great. Used units are dime a dozen.
Complete waste of dominos
Hi, does any body know when Festool's patent does run out,? I have the bigger DF700 Domino but would like the 500, bit too expensive so maybe a Makita version If they make one when it comes to it 😏
Patents last for 20 years, so don't expect a clone anytime soon! :-)
There are some after market tools made to retrofit the 700 so you can use the 500 cutters
patents.google.com/patent/EP2527111B1/en
Looks like patent was first granted 06-19-2013
patents.google.com/patent/DE10314087B3/en
possibly 11-11-2004 original grant
Gid joiner
1 second ago
Thanks, yep Senaca do some, an adaptor for the 500 cutters but i don't think the adapted 6mm cutter for the 700 is available here in the UK
Omg! 6 tenons really? Pressure is front to back but tenons side to side... if you need to pack them side to side why bother ? Just use a spline
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Kreg Jig: $100
Festool Domino: $1000
suddenly pocket holes are quite appealing.
david b plus the dominos cost an arm and a leg
Very good point. Sadly the 1001 ways you can use a Domino as opposed to a pocket hole leaves that argument redundant. If you are a commercial user or a keen hobbyist who has limited time there is no substitute for the Domino. Had the same machine in my Workshop for over 15years have put in 10's of thousands of Dominos and it still works as well today as it ever did. Cost recouped in one job in time saving.
A domino’s can be used in all joinery construction that is not the case with pocket holes were the screw has to be hidden.
6 dominos per drawer side seems 2 too many. I would just do 4
I really do feel that technology is starting to blind some people. I do value the 'domino' concept, and in the correct application, it is a winner! However, with a simple jig and table saw one can make an equally strong box joint, probably quicker, safer and most definitely cheaper. Also, personally, if done carefully and correctly box joints leave an appealing finish....this video is similar to using dynamite to open a can of sardines.
A dado blade on a table saw is hardly safer than a Domino, lol.. and with a simple box joint jig, you're absolutely not doing a full box or drawer quicker than a Domino would.
Only $5 in dominos per drawer....
OffTheBeatenPath 4-5 Dominos per side are enough
When a kitchen costs several thousand then $200 on draws in nothing considering the overall cost of the kitchen.
Spending $50 on draws on a single cabinet is nothing if you are selling it at the right price.
@@wolframherzog636 I use 6x40 dominos in my, 18 mm material, drawers and I'll use 3 up to and including 265 mm drawer depth.
That domino machine may cost to much for most carpenters.
That's what I thought. Now that I have one I am able to easily make kitchen cabinets, build a garage door, make tables, stools, and so much more. I make my own dominoes from leftover wood.
But yet they carry a phone in their pocket that cost as much as this tool
This must be the worst demo I have seen so far.
Too many Dominos per joint. Half as many is sufficient. Their fail strength is amazing. I know, I tested as I was originally very dubious.
You are not the person to demo the Domino system.
To expensive, unless you drive a Ferrari.
Lazy