This reminds me of a story I read about SpaceX - instead of buying 'space grade' radiation hardened components for their flight control system, they bought commercially available off the shelf chips and tested them internally. With the addition of triple-redundancy, they found the stuff worked well enough to meet their reliability targets and was MUCH cheaeper.
This works as long as space or weight isn't at a premium. On a space capsule, triple redundant commercial grade doesn't take much more space or weight than the double redundancy space-hardened devices required, at least compared to the max weight and capacity of the capsule. In a missile, where you can't fit redundant components, and they will be exposed to extreme forces, mil-spec is the only way to go.
Keep in mind that the US is also not making those semiconductors on its own. They utilize also the Global market including Europe, China, Japan and rest of Asia. No single country can make semiconductors on its own. It is actually stupid to expect the Russians to be able to do it without international trade. They will obviously cooperate with China and other countries and will build up a US independent network of production. To have that it is essential interest for every power who wants to be independent of the US.
this technology what they found in the drone, commercially available on alibaba remeber that a chip only a """chip""" and the program that running makes it complete your smartphone, even the cheapest has same technology so russia can build same efficient drones without any american parts this is indeed a sensational news that russia used american chips
@@cnccarving the microchip and everything associated with it (basically the whole IT industry) was/is an American invention and still greatly depends on US hardware and software. basically every chip is an an American part. so not only can russia not build a drone without any American parts, russians and everyone else in the world can not live their daily life today without any "American parts" people still don't seem to understand why the US is so influential and powerful. the smartest people from all over the world, live, work, school, ... and do research in the US. they invent and innovate the things that rest of the world uses and depends on.
yes, the US can build all that stuff (even does so to an extend) microchips, computers, ... the whole IT industry was/is a US invention and the almost all the software and the critical hardware involved are still made in the US. no, russia, china, iran, ... can not
The Russians/Soviets have always been pretty good at making tech that is 'just good enough'. They could make very effective SAMS in the 1960's with very crude electronics. I would imagine that they would focus on using imported chips/electronics only for those uses that the cutting edge is utterly essential. I doubt this applies to a typical guided missile or drone.
The "good enough' approach is economically smart since you keep costs as tight as possible. Don't forget that RU military budget isnt "illimited" like US one !
It would seem to me that by way of using cheap off the shelf parts from the west or China, and then using them in drones and missiles that are pretty much disposable then, should these assets fall into the hands of opposition then, the opposition won't actually learn very much about current Russian technologies that are otherwise currently being developed or utilised. The Ruskies are therefore not so thick as they are cabbage looking from that point of view.
Bullshit we are being killed by our own tech same with China we built them all the great tech China has is ours and now can build themselves we are stupid now China is as powerful as us or more because of greed we have no one to blame but ourselves we could of been decade's ahead of the whole world but greed is our downfall China and Russia are nothing
Russia has had missile air defence superiority since the 50s. I see no evidence of anything being built to "good enough" standard. Their equipment is optimised to be effective in a war with Europe. On the other hand, we can see serious deficiencies in US equipment like the M1 tank, with the mass of its latest revision being a crushing 80+ tons. DoT&E even put out a statement saying the tank isn't fit for combat.
Russians never invest on extreamly sofisticated systems, they always use good enough reliable systems with large quantity and tactices. This is from their lessons learned during WW2. I a battle conditions, relability is most importent, more sofisticated a weapon is, higher the chance of failure.
Hopefully your compensation includes enough copium to feed your habit. Unless I misunderstood your reply to this video regarding the technology gaps - were you trying to complain that the Russian navy was incapable of destroying their own pipeline? Interesting if true. Either way, you are trolling by whataboutism - I know you aren't embarrassed but I for one am embarrassed for you. This is really a ridiculous showing on your part.
@@kekistanimememan170 Yeah except that pipeline cost Russia billions of dollars to produce and was one of the few tools they had to negotiate with the EU. It also was one of the largest sources of income for the entire country. There are only two counties that benefit from its the destruction, the US and Ukraine. And I don't think Ukranians are swimming around in the Baltic.
The PRC and Russia may not be as behind in military semiconductors as might first appear. The reason for this is because military chips often only require older production processes to be fully functional for purpose.
which actually makes a lot of sense, in the case of a war you would want something that is robust, Easy to manufacture in trying conditions, powerful enough for the task and thats it (keep the cost down)
best processor are only for flagship laptop & phone. because they are the most expensive. we can buy middle price laptop/ phone that's still using 12nm. military processor tend to be 28nm or bigger for rigidity & doesn't have to use the smallest.
Yes... Just look at NASA... You do not use bleeding edge consumer grade electronics if it have not been tested for few years... Older, slower but tested equipment is what you need for critical missions
A larger die process is often used for radiation hardened chips, because it seems to provide some additional protection against strong external electromagnetic sources. These are frequently used in the aerospace industry in particular.
Full circle. "Western tech" was made in "Asia" and "Asia" also provide Russia. This story conclusion is that Western tech should have never been outsourced in "Asia" "Western tech" is built in Asia, not in the West. The brand on it might be Western but it comes from an asian foundery/manufacture
Yes i agree. In realities western tech are made from component at Asia, assemble at Asia, trade among asia and majority Asian countries did not joint to sanction Russia....
No country is self-sufficient in all kinds of technology. The important thing is how effectively a country musters its resources and finds a way out to overcome its weaknesses.
I think smuggling chips would be damn near impossible to stop. They are so small one briefcase full could supply many weapons systems. I am doubtful the embargo will have as high an impact as they would like.
its doubly complicated by Russia being the largest country in the world and sharing a border with lots of different countries including china. Thats a lot of places for material to enter.
Another possibility is that they already have redesigned all systems and are producing them with Russian made only components and doing so in great quantity. What we see in Ukrainistan might by just the old garbage they are throwing out.
I always was so fascinated I was given a little black and white Russian TV in the 1970s about 5" screen and inside it had little tiny valves, It was a pretty good TV I remember. I believe that the Mig 25 that defected was also full of little valves and the Americans were fascinated by it.
Recently someone or group has investigated Chinese semiconductors and have found that they have indeed successfully made 7nm chips. A leap ahead of the 14nm chips that they have been stuck with until recently and certainly ahead of the Russians and their 65nm process. Going to be interesting to see the Russians make the necessary changes required and how they go about it. A very difficult problem but not necessarily unsolvable contrary to other's who think the Russians are ripping chips out of appliances. 🙄 Can't rely on the media to do decent reporting. Another excellent and informative video M7.
@@donquixote1502 China has an even larger pool of high intelligence tech minded folk than Taiwan, in fact Taiwan is well into demographic collapse. 7nm is not a big thing thing, 4nm is already here after all.
Humanity has fallen before in past ages, most, almost all of the hight tech metal they made has rusted. The remainder has been hidden away by govts for hundreds of years. The buildings left under many feet of volcanic ash is a testament of their high tech society.
Do you think China is much ahead of Russia in term or having purely domestic designs? Isn't that part of the reason they even limit their reliance on Russian equipment and for example completely redesigned their Flankers systems?
Chinese semiconductor technology is far behind the west. Chinese manufacturers make extensive use of western components. They tried to build a domestic capability, pumped billions in to it in the last few years, and most of the money disappeared via corruption facilitated by local officials. China is, and will remain, totally dependent on western products and intellectual property.
I would say no, with Russia still have few advantages, borrowed from its Soviet heyday. But the main thing is, both have different strategy & doctrine. Russia still adopt "mass assault"-esque, while China abandoned them since Economic Reformation, with emphasis on smaller, yet efficient army like Europe do. To fast-track it, China also license & copy whatever they could, Either from desperate Russian or green-eyed western companies. Yes, China have very large population, resources, monetary power. But they are mostly allocated to Economic & Industry not military. In my opinion, Rather than focus on military stuff, China prefer to be servants for western consumerism.
@@TheMoghrabimahmoud for 10nm & bigger, China mostly self-sufficient, especially with how many cars & home appliances they exports. Also most military hardware doesn't use the most advanced chips, they are usually reserve for luxury/high end commercial products. With high costs & the difficulty to produce the waffers, Attrition rates could be disastrous for supply chain.
Dude. Can you please redo the semiconductor section since it's filled with inaccuracies.. The Chinese can already produce 7nm circuitry already... using mature DUV lithography...plus many of the weapons grade circuitry are in the range of 12 to 32nm which is decades old tech. Many of the TSMC engineers, who surprise, surprise are ethic Chinese, switched jobs and work for SMIC a mainland based foundry. Please research by watching the Asianometry channel, a Tawainese tech blogger.
I've followed the events that led up to the current "situation" in the Ukraine for a long time, coming to the conclusion early on that a war proxy war between NATO and Russia was a real possibility. Over time, it became clear that Russia, apart from specific military preparations, also "hardened" it's economic and financial system so it could flourish even when disconnected from the west. If I, as an interested engineer lambda could see the writing on the wall, so could Russian engineers. It must be clear that the Russians new that, in case of an embargo, you need to roll your own, use a substitute, or stockpile before. If you have a system that is, in Russian fashion, good enough, you buy large quantities of needed chips when still possible. You can fit a few thousand of them in a shoebox. No big deal. Russia does produce its own micro-electronics, especially for its military hard-ware. I'm pretty sure that the Russians stockpiled large quantities of chips and that they will be able to continue to produce and use the systems at the current pace for many years.
Unless that shit gets destroyed in large quantities before deploying any. Or if their forces are even competent or capable of using and maintaining their equipment. Clearly theres a difference between practically and effectively using said weapon systems and electronics and having them.
that's all well and good but what is the point of stocking some parts if you're not able to build quality weapons/vehicles with it ? And even if you were, your army would be too incompetent to use them adequately ? and as others mentioned, if all that money go to some pockets instead of those parts, it would be all for nothing.
@@Duron13 hi Julien, I've made a longer reply to main video that builds on the point you're making that you might be interested in. In summary, just looking at one item affected by sanctions, railways transport 85% of all cargo in Russia and every railway wagon needs roller bearings changed on a regular basis. They now can't buy them due to the sanctions which has caused massive problems for moving raw materials, finished goods across the huge distances in Russia. Like you say the supply chain just needs one link to break and it won't work, regardless of how many semiconductors you have in stock
Actual military electronics generally need radiation hardening and don't use the current gen cutting edge commercial semi-conductor manufacturing processes which will go pop if a EW jammer looked at it the wrong way (besides forget about 7nm, a ballistics computer doesn't need it, a 1980s scientific calculator is more than up to the job!) although ancillary systems (screens, sensors, controllers) are increasingly off the shelf. The US semiconductor bans on China have much more to do with grubby commercial issues than any national security concerns (c.f. Chinese components in a F-35, there won't be any US components in a J-20!) ! The issue for non-proliferation is one of scale micro-controllers are present in almost all modern household equipment, every smartphone has a camera that can be turned into an imaging sensor, these exist in the 100s of millions and are produced in the 10s of millions annually missiles even smart shells are produced in the 1000s to 100000s even a 10 year old defunct mobile phone will have a multi-megapixel imaging sensor so just combing through the electrical waste in any country with a reasonably sized population can supply enough raw parts!
the irony of your statement is that none of the tech on the 35 is chinese but all the tech on the j is most likely American. there is no "chinese tech" just tech manufactured in china, and a plane and pretty much everything that comes with it is an American invention / innovation.
Where there is a will, there will be generally found a way. Seems your money was well spent - this is good data. Thank you. ITAR regulations frequently get in the way of Americans just trying to get work done abroad, but there's a reason. Seems we didn't go far enough?
Well then Turkish Baryaktar is 0 Turkish. And F35 got parts from China. Italian M346 is just a Yak 130. And samiconductors are mainly from Taiwan also in nato army weapons. Korean tank uses german transmision and motor. Turkish tank Altay is also copy. So where do we want to go whit this???
I am in no way a weapons expert, but most of the processing and guidance and communication needed for any smart weapon can be found in a smartphone and its components. If I was to design the next smart weapon, I would just connect it to a smartphone with my custom control app and hardened mobile OS.
I design electronics and you are totally wrong in your assumption that phone chips are good for making guidance, first up GPS and the like fail to work at around 500kph due to time dilation(look up Einstein) second you want use chips for inertia navigation like ring gyroscopes, then you need attitude aka a barometer, to honest a weather station would be good fit here to look for the part. A HARM type weapon could use some basic high frequency analogue circuitry like a differential opamp were you operate flight surfaces to zero out the opamp IE feedback loop that stays on a radiation vector by sniffing out the strongest signal path...no CPU just good old analogue. Very simple and would work.
@@ntal5859 can't you just compensate for time dilation in the calculations? Also the error produced would be pretty small so the end result would still be quite accurate for most types of munitions
A smartphone would be an overkill. ST Micro makes microcontrollers that a hundred time less powerful that a smartphone Cpu. STM sells them at 2usd each and they are not the only ones making them, a few chinese companies also produce these. You don't need that much processing power. Inertial guidance components are often handmade, saw a Chinese documentary. A more robust gps receiver can be purchased from a Chinese manufacturer for less than 50usd. RC motors and lawn mower engines are readily available from a few other Chinese manufacturers, maybe not the more reliable but it only needs to run for less than 24 hours for a suicide drone. I have some experience building flying model for a few decades, it isn't that hard. Nowadays you can build a optical or IR guidance system for just a few dollars using a cheap camera board from China. Inertial keeps on a general course, gps gives you mid course correction and an optical/IR/RF terminal guidance would probably hit your target within 1 meter 99% of the time. The Iranian under complete sanction did it, probably with more robust components. The Russian Orlan drone looked like a patch work doll compared to Chinese drones. Of course, the easiest thing to do is just mod a DJI drone or some Chinese toy drone.
@@ntal5859 So your design is ww2 style dead reckoning using op-amps instead of the accuracy of GPS that might be off by a few centimeters and can easily be fixed with software ?
Even Hard disk drives (HDD) all carry a MILSPEC on each unit, which gives the operation specification for military use. It can hardly be helped in a competitive market.
Globalization! Why I wouldn't use something cheap and effective in my military equipment if it is available on the market? Aren't all the other countries doing the same?
Hey Millennium 7, would you ever consider doing a video on modern electronic warfare? I know there's not a lot on TH-cam currently about that, and the videos you've done in the past on the workings of modern radars and missle seeking technology are *SO* good and educational, I just know you'd do a great job covering EW. Also, a few Russian mobile EW units have been captured in Ukraine, and were found to be pretty impressive and up-to-date, more so than they were previously thought to have had. Just seems like it'd be a great video, especially in your hands, and something I've been very curious about lately! Just an idea lol
And if he's already done one that I've somehow missed, somebody point me in the right direction please! Lol. I know he's touched on it in several videos, but I just think a full blown episode on modern EW would be fantastic, especially done by Millennium who always dives deep and explains things so well!
Very interesting. Seeking Alpha had an article that analyzed why there was a shortage of chips. Huge orders by chip traders (not just the automotive and pc/mobile sectors) where they really didn't know who the end users were. The conclusion was stockpiling by countries that are now sanctioned by the West.
the reliability factor is most important we have seen in WW2 germane high precision guns and tanks and more did not function in very cold weather I remember a British teacher told us that all the machined parts for guns that did not pass the quality test was shipped to Russia worked reliably there
Many weapons systems are relying on very old technologies, that might be easier to access.For instance, many modern aircraft of the 4th generation use computers based on 486 processors. Such components are very capable to provide very decent guidance and overall capabilities. You do not need the latest I7, M2 or A16 processors for the weapons systems. I do not know what processors are being employed in the F-35, but most likely they must be about 10 - 15 years old, when the systems were originaly designed. Probably the F-22 uses computers based on Pentium processors and the same age circuitry. The same thing applies to the software, I saw systems that use FORTRAN as programing language and/or are operating the Windows NT 3.51, doing a perfect job.
I used to work in an electronics firm and lets say that the components that are in some aircraft are not just old they should be museum pieces. Sometimes when adding a new component it needed to be custom designed which was sometimes extremely complicated because it had to mesh with dozens of different systems all using different set ups, chipsets, communication protocols etc and many were ancient. Then once you got that figured out you had to design it to survive litteral hell, one test in particular was really gross. you had to submerge the device in a pool filled with algae complete with a thriving insect population.
@@islandwills2778 Then comes the software layer, that takes months and years of developing and testing.Only the testing phase might take over a year, and is not bug free guaranteed. I lost a couple of friends due to the software bugs that caused crashes in an otherwise pretty benign environment.
your channel is far too underrated.... I guess it's because although european, you are unbiased! and EU probably hates the fact that you are not a propaganda channel
I want to surprise you! If you take a look at modern American or European weapons, you will see that most of the electronics are made in Asia. Moreover, even the Intel company does not produce its latest chips itself, but does it in Taiwan. Similarly, Russia produces its Baikal processors and others at factories in Asia. Buy a global economics textbook and read why this is happening.
Ukrainian Armed Forces and CIA: "YES We capturing Russian drones! We can using it for intelligence data to countering Russian tactics!" *After opened: "F***K IT WAS OUR TECHNOLOGY! We've been pranked by Putin!" Russian Armed Forces: 😁
I do not see either Russia or China 10 to 15 years behind the West in any sphere of important technology. Russia has a space industry, for decades. The belief that a nation self reliant in everything would need to design weapons which would require Western tech to work, is laughable. The thought that an Iskander missile system would need chips from Taiwan is ridiculous from a military logistics standpoint alone. How many spacecraft has Taiwan launched? RUSI are a think tank who always says what the West is doing is right, they say whatever their sponsors tell them to say. If Western tech could power the most advanced weapons on the planet, how come the West doesn't have any of them?
TSMC most advanced lithography is 5nm. China can produce low yield chips at 7nm. The difference in performance between 5 and 7nm chips is usually ~25%. China can easily produce most of the chips required by the PLA or by Russia.
Your assuming commercial production on 300mm wafers at scale and high yield, 150mm wafer at 50% yield wakes it a lot easier to do finfet at 14nm at higher cost military use.
'Сhina has heavily invested in catching up and the results are hit and miss'. Actually Сhina has almost caught up in the last few years which surprised many of the people in the know. They are already on the 7 nm node which is just 2 generations(about 4 years) behind TSMC's 3 nm node.
Still many chinese electronic flagship still using korean or taiwan chips. To date no information about chinese microchip that is used in their premium flagship brand.
@@zuyrie They've made the breakthrough last month Aska, it takes time for the process to mature and enter mass production. And even at that time some of their phone brands will, naturally, still use TSMC/Samsung CPU microchips since, like I said, they are still 2 generations ahead. As for the DRAM, Flash memory, SSDs and GPU chips, they have already caught up with the competition and have a parity.
@@zuyrie that is only because of price, not tech. and you are talking about phones, several of the top 50 supercomputer are powered by chinese chip where national security is more important than the being the lowest bidder.
Yup, you can thank European progressiveness and virtue signalling for that. There is merely a single company on earth who manufactures the machines capable of producing the highest density semi-conductor chips, ASML in the Netherlands. It's not really a stretch to say ASML is the most important company on earth, and as such it should be very, very tightly controlled, both who can buy which of their products, and also who can work at their company and at which departments. There are many foreign employees and foreign students who work at ASML, including those from countries who are potentially or even clearly hostile to the Netherlands, the EU, and the West. And we also know many of those countries have done repeated attempts of stealing ASML's technology, which considering it's extreme economic and military importance should all be regarded as & covered under national security. However that's not the case, the Netherlands lacks the legislation for that, and lacking specific national security legislation to ban foreign citizens out of (highly) risky countries from working there, trying to limit or ban their employment access to ASML would thus open them up to lawsuits due to "discrimination", either in the Dutch legal system or else the EU courts. Precisely why, like most other countries the Netherlands desperately needs special legislation to designate certain knowledge, products or companies as matters of national security, so we can prevent Chinese, Iranian, Russian or citizens from other adversaries from potentially acquiring access to ASML technology. Already there have been instances where foreign employees, notably Chinese, where caught in highly suspicious situations but ASML was pretty much powerless to kick them out and protect their technology.
@@pieterveenders9793 Too late for that I'm afraid. China will eventually catch up with ASML too. Plus, they already have more than enough DUV machines for their 7 nm node to enter into mass production. So... Tough luck I guess :)
Depending on the electronics involved, I could see the Russians breaking the sanctions with the help of China. These are older processors and electronics. Russia could acquire them indirectly through a Chinese company by purchasing e-waste. Obviously, they wouldn't directly do so, but they might have a front in Russia to recycle electronic waste.
I don't think the Russian government has any problems with buying semiconductors when you can buy an iPhone 14 in any Russian shopping center, you just need to have money))) the topic of import substitution in Russia has been discussed for many years. so, after the start of the war in Ukraine, the lack of foreign partners did not come as a surprise to US (I am from Russia)
@@kks8622 there's a difference between a small expensive consumer product, and the specialized electronics used for weapons. I mean Laura and stuff can be used for drones, but missiles and aircraft are another matter
I think some western researchers found that China has been using and exporting 7nm chips. And there is a rumor that China is manufacturing 3nm chips, however, that's not very likely but I do believe they're developing 3nm chips. However, those high-end chips are not usually the best choice for the military because of their price and capabilities ratio. It's needed to find a perfect balance.
@@notificationguys5128 which means they have their own lithography machines and is there a reason you have to believe China can't or is not working on 3nm chips?
@@MGZetta China has built its first 3nm chip (2022). However it isn't commercial yet (unlike TMSC and Samsung). ie quality control issues makes production of this chip unprofitable. As I understand it, production of this chip still requires import of indigenous machine components from outside of china which has now been banned..For a 100% indigenous lithography machine, China can build 22nm chips. China's home made lithography machine is about 10 years behind. But as far as military hardware goes... 2012 level computers that are 100% home made is pretty good.
@@notificationguys5128 They recently announced they are making 5nm with own design lithography equipment since ASML can't export to China, they have been building and servicing older equipment for decades, hell they account for 50% of the 28nm equipment out there.
Is there any idea on the quantities that Russia bought of these western components? If they were able to buy large enough stockpiles they may have enough for several years of production in some cases .
That is the key question. I have seen no estimates. It seems that tanks and ground forces equipment in general is mostly ok for now, while air-launched weapons and ballistic rockets have issues.
During WWI, the US paid royalties to German companies for patents on rifle parts. During WWII, we paid GAF, Seimans and others for chemicals and royalties for tech.. Profits for war materials always seem to be more important than human life or ideology
Also Texas Instruments and AMD are screaming for allowing these sales. Any sale is a good sale to a US based company, even if it is used to target that company with a weapon.
The Orlan-10 disassembly videos are very interesting and i can't help to wonder if they can even replace the simple off the shelf components like the integrated DSLR cameras.
It’s quite easy to smuggle in foreign components into the country. It’s less than ideal, but sanctions do not stop the import of foreign electronics. It just makes it more time consuming
In terms of entertainment presentation style this one might be your best yet. And that is not to say it is sensationalist fluff because it had great information in it. Thanks for the video
Are you under some kind of pressure? Use of western dual use components make economic sense when bought instead of being manufactured in Russia. That does not mean using western weapons.
Economic sense does not really have a place when empowering a brutal insane dictator, who holds the power to invade and terrorize a neighboring country. If they could not make it in country then they should not have that power in hand. Look at the current consequences in Ukraine 🇺🇦 due to economic irresponsibility.
My friends work for a millerty tec Leonardo. Ferry Road Edinburgh. They do lots of shit with radar mini drosnes and helmets for the new tempest fighter... Lots take home tec for homework. Semiconductors chips.
Yea it's a areo space company. My uncle longtime ago used to putt targeting on nukes war heads my uncle and auntie still work thier lots of people I no work thier. You can give them your phone and its free forever. Just never sell it. You can use your scanner to open hospital locked doors or and door system which uses a card.. I saw lots when I was inside.. Its like a bond plant... They are doing lasers for the new tempest that can go Miles even in fog. THIER address is crew toll but its ferry road. Thiets other places all over Edinburgh. Mi6 are down near leith.
It is not possible to stockpile high-tech equipment, it would be like attempting to future-proof your computer for the next decade. It is not just improbable, it is impossible.
yeah, please check on which CPU Hubble was running 😂 I have bought microcontrollers and imaging sensors in bulk. Thousands of pieces. The designs do not change. Not that quickly. You can still buy audio chips for a Commodore 64 or the Motorola 68000...
@@juliusfucik4011 That is true, however, what I am referring to, is the advances in miniaturisation of chips, and high speed with which processors develop. The Space shuttle, ran several computers for error correction and redundancy, yet due to the period when it was developed, the computers were IBM 8088 processors. And the software was also 8 bit. Once a high-tech system is established, it becomes difficult to upgrade the entire hardware and software package as a whole. USAF fighters, for example, are just recently developing an upgradable architecture, to minimise the cost and downtime. Future proofing hardware and software is next to impossible, in this light.
Best designs are usually bestsellers. And because they are best sellers, there are stocks of them around the world. So using best components means you will never run out of supplies.
the us couldnt care less if russians use american components, or anyone else for that matter. they gave billions for free to the taliban...so one that pays....no problem
There is too much confusion between military and commercial chips. Reducing the technology node is more of a commercial consideration and we reached the end of that process a decade ago. Now more gains can be acquired from new architecture and software rather than shrinking the node. Military applications are concerned with security of supply chain, reliability and fault tolerance rather than a smaller node. I doubt even the latest NATO equipment is using many chips past the 65nn or 32nm node.
Molecular printing is already pre-determined for a device near you (hopefully not a weapon). On a more depressing note: It is remarkable how war-addicted we are (myself included). The other remarkable observation is how stupid the current generation of high school and middle school students are in the collective West. Salomè und leb wohl! Mögest Du in das Licht, der Wahrheit, und dem SEIN der Schöpfung leben.
War addicted? I hate it. I even have a chart of monthly headaches and the incidence is nearly seven-fold since March. And high school students, yes there's no doubt severe cacogenesis is occurring. Women working in pure or applied mathematics have 0.5 children - a quarter as many needed to keep the high IQ population stable. Intellectually subnormal demographic is the only segment keeping up the national TFR of Western nations, but at a cost of hiding the truth about declining intellectual ability. Soon enough most older children won't be be able to read an analog clock or cursive - and that's already being noticed by many teachers.
Been watching this happen. The Russians call it 10, 10 and 10, or something like that. Fire for 10 minutes, get the hell out for 10 minutes to avoid counter battery fire, relocate for 10 minutes, and repeat.
China isn't decades away from tech parity. They are maybe one decade away. The challenge is only partly related to developing or sourcing the equipment. The other obstacle is the skill-set in the workforce that understands how to solve problems in fabrication yields for nanometer technologies at scale... IMO
Given that US News & World report ranked Tsinghua University in China the best Engineering university in the world with almost 3x the number of enrollment compared to M.I.T. the skill set gap will rapidly close (if not already).
I remember they recall ps 3 or 4 some years ago.because they had chip inside that could be used in lunching missiles .not sure if its true but its heppened
The situation reminds me of the development of the A12 and the later SR71. A great deal of titanium was needed for these craft, and as The Soviet Union had the largest known deposits of this mineral available, the CIA set up a number of shell companies to purchase the element from their enemy, where it would be used in spy aircraft, against the supplier.
Read that in the Ben Rich Skunk Work biography. It wasn't so much that the USSR had the mines but they had the processing and refining mastered. Ben Rich worked under Kelly and helped design the self adjusting intakes for the two massive jets.
@@eleventy-seven Hi Jordan, those two guys were true luminaries of the industry. The methods and processes required to work with titanium had to determined, for spars and spans as long as they needed. They had so much on their plate, it's a minor miracle the work they achieved. The average non aviation person, just thinks it's a cool looking futuristic looking plane. It was so much more than that, as you'd know.
I think that there are a couple of errors in your video that are more detail as your overall conclusions seem correct. 1 - Semiconductor foundry buildings are more complex than you stated. For example, they need to be cushioned so that trucks that are passing by do not cause vibrations that would make the lithography fail. These are not miracle buildings, but are complex to design and construct properly. Because of this the lead time on this kind of construction is enormous. This creates a problem in that if you are just going to build parts for the military the costs in doing this are outrageous. We are talking $Bs to build a foundry. $Bs to build the underlying design infrastructure. $10Ms to build the actual patterns for the parts. And if you put 1 in every Russian Tank, you will build 12,000 of them. In the real world, you want to build millions of a specific part to amortize the costs. 2 - Your implication is that Taiwan is the world's largest semiconductor manufacturing country. This is not true. Taiwan leads in independent semiconductor manufacturing or "foundry" work. TSMC, as you showed, is the largest firm in this industry. However, the largest semiconductor manufacturing country in the world is the US. It leads the world in what is called "captive" semiconductors. This is exemplified by the world's largest semiconductor company Intel. The tracing of the use of components is quite hard. Let me provide one example. Imagine you are Texas Instruments (one of the companies that you mentioned as having parts in Russian equipment). Texas Instruments has many customers that build products in China. Those products are very often built by what are called contract manufacturers. Any contract manufacturing facility might have many customers that use a Texas Instruments part that is used in a Russian weapon. All that needs to happen is that more parts than the contract manufacturer requires can be bought. A 3rd party Russian company can then buy those parts from the Chinese contract manufacturer and poof these parts that are sanctioned are now in Russia. Depending on quantities, the extra parts could be hidden in failure numbers and be completely undetectable. This is one of dozens of ways for this to happen and is much harder to prevent than one might think. From Texas Instruments standpoint, they are selling parts to a buyer that is completely legitimate. They have no way of knowing that their parts went out the back door.
^^^this!! Also, TSMC doesn't design any chips...only builds them. The large majority of what they build is designed in the West...like Apple, nVidia, and many more. So the west is by far king of the semiconductor.
Some errors that i found in your comment: - The largest semiconductor MANUFACTURING country in the world is NOT the US. United States only manufacturs about 12% of the world semiconductors, behind South Korea, Taiwan, Mainland China and Japan (these east-asian countries manufactures about 75% of the world semiconductors). US is one of the leaders in the semiconductor industry (strong in Chip DESIGN, EDA tools, etc), but its manufacturing capacity is not that strong, thats why CHIPS act was approved. Also, Samsung (South Korea) is the world's largest semiconductor company, NOT Intel.
@@chd0043 Samsung is a larger company but is not a larger semiconductor company. From wikipedia Manufacturers headquartered in the following places are the sales leaders in the pure-play foundry, IDM (integrated device manufacturing), fabless manufacturing and OSAT (outsourced semiconductor assembly and testing) sectors of the industry.[26] Rank Foundry IDM Fabless OSAT 1 Taiwan United States United States Taiwan 2 United States South Korea Taiwan United States 3 China Japan China China 4 Israel European Union European Union Singapore 5 South Korea Taiwan Japan Japan Note that manufacturers headquartered in the United States have fabrication plants across the world, including over 50% in the Americas, 39% in the Asia-Pacific region (including 9% in Japan), and 9% in Europe.[26]
@@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 The source from wikipedia you are copy-pasting is data from 2016 (outdated by 6 years), [BEYOND BORDERS: THE GLOBAL SEMICONDUCTOR VALUE CHAIN" (PDF). Semiconductor Industry Association. May 2016]. If you search for 2021 data, you found better info: The 5 Leading Semiconductor Companies in the World (2021): Based on "Statistics and Data", we see SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS at the top with a revenue of $76 billion in 2021, just overtaking Intel with $73 billion. These two giants are then followed by Taiwan Semiconductor with a revenue of $57 billion, SK Hynix with $36 billion, and finally, Micron Technology Inc with $28 billion. .... Also, the same wikipedia article that you refer includes a list: "Major semiconductor companies" in wich SAMSUNG is listed as number 1 (classified as an IDM)
The Germans didn’t know about ultra! ..? My dad used it lateish 44’ to take out German HQ ! The hq was being abandoned at two o’clock in the afternoon!
High performance embedded CPU's today is software, not silicon. Chinese embedded is easy on the same field as the western brands. So ARM, 51's and even RISC architecture for advanced graphic calculation is already designed and produced in China and probably in Russia. So... no... Russia or any big country has no problem to get the high performance chips, no problems at all.
China has a thriving 14nm and already capable of 7nm. That's about 5 years behind the cutting edge...but 5 years ago, would easily have covered requirements of all weapon systems since western weapons development cycles are on the order of 10-15 years. Increasingly there is not much that can't be done with readily available Chinese and other free market supplies.
This reminds me of a story I read about SpaceX - instead of buying 'space grade' radiation hardened components for their flight control system, they bought commercially available off the shelf chips and tested them internally. With the addition of triple-redundancy, they found the stuff worked well enough to meet their reliability targets and was MUCH cheaeper.
Musk is a con man.
Just like the later Flights of the Arleigh Burkes. Saves metric fuck loads of money.
This works as long as space or weight isn't at a premium. On a space capsule, triple redundant commercial grade doesn't take much more space or weight than the double redundancy space-hardened devices required, at least compared to the max weight and capacity of the capsule. In a missile, where you can't fit redundant components, and they will be exposed to extreme forces, mil-spec is the only way to go.
Yikes, can you imagine 2nd hand iphones being used to guide russian SAMs 💀
Amazing how ignorant people are they think SpaceX came up with something that's nothing new
Keep in mind that the US is also not making those semiconductors on its own. They utilize also the Global market including Europe, China, Japan and rest of Asia. No single country can make semiconductors on its own. It is actually stupid to expect the Russians to be able to do it without international trade.
They will obviously cooperate with China and other countries and will build up a US independent network of production. To have that it is essential interest for every power who wants to be independent of the US.
Do you think Japan can dominate semiconductor market if it wants to in the 1980's-early 1990's and be independent of US?
@@Joshua_N-A even if they did become independent , they've got little domestic market and significantly less to offer compared to others
this technology what they found in the drone, commercially available on alibaba
remeber that a chip only a """chip"""
and the program that running makes it complete
your smartphone, even the cheapest has same technology
so russia can build same efficient drones without any american parts
this is indeed a sensational news that russia used american chips
@@cnccarving the microchip and everything associated with it (basically the whole IT industry) was/is an American invention and still greatly depends on US hardware and software. basically every chip is an an American part. so not only can russia not build a drone without any American parts, russians and everyone else in the world can not live their daily life today without any "American parts"
people still don't seem to understand why the US is so influential and powerful. the smartest people from all over the world, live, work, school, ... and do research in the US. they invent and innovate the things that rest of the world uses and depends on.
yes, the US can build all that stuff (even does so to an extend) microchips, computers, ... the whole IT industry was/is a US invention and the almost all the software and the critical hardware involved are still made in the US.
no, russia, china, iran, ... can not
A rarely touched upon subject. Amateurs talk about strategy; professionals talk about logistics. Thank you for videos.
Amateurs quote famous people
@@alexdunphy3716 Only the ones that read.
This is why I look forward to your videos. So interesting! The density of information is outstanding. No fluff.
The Russians/Soviets have always been pretty good at making tech that is 'just good enough'. They could make very effective SAMS in the 1960's with very crude electronics. I would imagine that they would focus on using imported chips/electronics only for those uses that the cutting edge is utterly essential. I doubt this applies to a typical guided missile or drone.
The "good enough' approach is economically smart since you keep costs as tight as possible.
Don't forget that RU military budget isnt "illimited" like US one !
It would seem to me that by way of using cheap off the shelf parts from the west or China, and then using them in drones and missiles that are pretty much disposable then, should these assets fall into the hands of opposition then, the opposition won't actually learn very much about current Russian technologies that are otherwise currently being developed or utilised.
The Ruskies are therefore not so thick as they are cabbage looking from that point of view.
Bullshit we are being killed by our own tech same with China we built them all the great tech China has is ours and now can build themselves we are stupid now China is as powerful as us or more because of greed we have no one to blame but ourselves we could of been decade's ahead of the whole world but greed is our downfall China and Russia are nothing
Russia has had missile air defence superiority since the 50s. I see no evidence of anything being built to "good enough" standard. Their equipment is optimised to be effective in a war with Europe. On the other hand, we can see serious deficiencies in US equipment like the M1 tank, with the mass of its latest revision being a crushing 80+ tons. DoT&E even put out a statement saying the tank isn't fit for combat.
Russians never invest on extreamly sofisticated systems, they always use good enough reliable systems with large quantity and tactices. This is from their lessons learned during WW2. I a battle conditions, relability is most importent, more sofisticated a weapon is, higher the chance of failure.
They tried to say Russia destroyed Nordstream 1&2 also. Where was USS Kearsarge at the time, 16nm away when it happened
Hopefully your compensation includes enough copium to feed your habit. Unless I misunderstood your reply to this video regarding the technology gaps - were you trying to complain that the Russian navy was incapable of destroying their own pipeline? Interesting if true. Either way, you are trolling by whataboutism - I know you aren't embarrassed but I for one am embarrassed for you. This is really a ridiculous showing on your part.
Proximity does not equal guilt.
@@kekistanimememan170 you think anyone else could do it with the area under NATO control you dipstick - cope harder
@@kekistanimememan170 "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
@@kekistanimememan170 Yeah except that pipeline cost Russia billions of dollars to produce and was one of the few tools they had to negotiate with the EU. It also was one of the largest sources of income for the entire country. There are only two counties that benefit from its the destruction, the US and Ukraine. And I don't think Ukranians are swimming around in the Baltic.
The PRC and Russia may not be as behind in military semiconductors as might first appear. The reason for this is because military chips often only require older production processes to be fully functional for purpose.
which actually makes a lot of sense, in the case of a war you would want something that is robust, Easy to manufacture in trying conditions, powerful enough for the task and thats it (keep the cost down)
This is called a fog of war ot war on propaganda
best processor are only for flagship laptop & phone. because they are the most expensive. we can buy middle price laptop/ phone that's still using 12nm. military processor tend to be 28nm or bigger for rigidity & doesn't have to use the smallest.
Yes... Just look at NASA... You do not use bleeding edge consumer grade electronics if it have not been tested for few years... Older, slower but tested equipment is what you need for critical missions
A larger die process is often used for radiation hardened chips, because it seems to provide some additional protection against strong external electromagnetic sources. These are frequently used in the aerospace industry in particular.
Full circle.
"Western tech" was made in "Asia" and "Asia" also provide Russia.
This story conclusion is that Western tech should have never been outsourced in "Asia"
"Western tech" is built in Asia, not in the West. The brand on it might be Western but it comes from an asian foundery/manufacture
Yes i agree. In realities western tech are made from component at Asia, assemble at Asia, trade among asia and majority Asian countries did not joint to sanction Russia....
The US upgraded missiles by painting them in rainbow colours and the B52's in Pink crewed by lesbians
Phew... after a lot of searching, at last I am pushing the algorithm again! Luckily you seem to have a near to endless archive of excellent videos!😊
No country is self-sufficient in all kinds of technology. The important thing is how effectively a country musters its resources and finds a way out to overcome its weaknesses.
I think smuggling chips would be damn near impossible to stop. They are so small one briefcase full could supply many weapons systems. I am doubtful the embargo will have as high an impact as they would like.
its doubly complicated by Russia being the largest country in the world and sharing a border with lots of different countries including china. Thats a lot of places for material to enter.
We sold our Technology to China
Great episode! Interesting and informative. I really appreciate your work!
nah, this guy is going to be IN SHOCK when he realizes there's more Russian materials on Western weapons and rockets than the other way around.
I concur ... well done and thank you!
He backs Ukraine as well.
Yeah, and it's also complete bullshit. That's why Russia fled from Lyman.
Another possibility is that they already have redesigned all systems and are producing them with Russian made only components and doing so in great quantity. What we see in Ukrainistan might by just the old garbage they are throwing out.
You are absolutely correct on the last part .
@@SL92018 Time to revisit the first part of what I said.
They can't make high end semiconductors. Nobody can except Taiwan, and they can't do that without Holland and the US.
Really nice vid! Unbiased, just fully informative. Massive props
he missed a few points, like the fact Western weapons and vehicles have more Russian materials than the other way around
Unbiased? LOL!
I always was so fascinated I was given a little black and white Russian TV in the 1970s about 5" screen and inside it had little tiny valves, It was a pretty good TV I remember. I believe that the Mig 25 that defected was also full of little valves and the Americans were fascinated by it.
Recently someone or group has investigated Chinese semiconductors and have found that they have indeed successfully made 7nm chips. A leap ahead of the 14nm chips that they have been stuck with until recently and certainly ahead of the Russians and their 65nm process.
Going to be interesting to see the Russians make the necessary changes required and how they go about it. A very difficult problem but not necessarily unsolvable contrary to other's who think the Russians are ripping chips out of appliances. 🙄 Can't rely on the media to do decent reporting.
Another excellent and informative video M7.
There is always someone like you, spreading "news" without any proof. We call it lies!
There is nothing wrong with ripping chips off of appliances. Those who are smarter have the least to pay.
no investigation, smic publicly announced that they're testing a 7nm process
not mass produced.
@@donquixote1502 China has an even larger pool of high intelligence tech minded folk than Taiwan, in fact Taiwan is well into demographic collapse. 7nm is not a big thing thing, 4nm is already here after all.
Truly an integrated world. And together we shall fall too
The #1 of the top 5 things/ways to our extinction is human stupidity, says doctor Brian Cox... And I couldn't agree more...
Humanity has fallen before in past ages, most, almost all of the hight tech metal they made has rusted. The remainder has been hidden away by govts for hundreds of years. The buildings left under many feet of volcanic ash is a testament of their high tech society.
Very cool real-time analysis.
Do you think China is much ahead of Russia in term or having purely domestic designs? Isn't that part of the reason they even limit their reliance on Russian equipment and for example completely redesigned their Flankers systems?
Chinese semiconductor technology is far behind the west. Chinese manufacturers make extensive use of western components. They tried to build a domestic capability, pumped billions in to it in the last few years, and most of the money disappeared via corruption facilitated by local officials. China is, and will remain, totally dependent on western products and intellectual property.
I would say no, with Russia still have few advantages, borrowed from its Soviet heyday. But the main thing is, both have different strategy & doctrine. Russia still adopt "mass assault"-esque, while China abandoned them since Economic Reformation, with emphasis on smaller, yet efficient army like Europe do. To fast-track it, China also license & copy whatever they could, Either from desperate Russian or green-eyed western companies.
Yes, China have very large population, resources, monetary power. But they are mostly allocated to Economic & Industry not military.
In my opinion, Rather than focus on military stuff, China prefer to be servants for western consumerism.
Nope they are also heavily dependent on taiwanese and western chips
@@akirasean4080 That's not what they do in Syria or Ukraine
@@TheMoghrabimahmoud for 10nm & bigger, China mostly self-sufficient, especially with how many cars & home appliances they exports.
Also most military hardware doesn't use the most advanced chips, they are usually reserve for luxury/high end commercial products. With high costs & the difficulty to produce the waffers, Attrition rates could be disastrous for supply chain.
Dude. Can you please redo the semiconductor section since it's filled with inaccuracies.. The Chinese can already produce 7nm circuitry already... using mature DUV lithography...plus many of the weapons grade circuitry are in the range of 12 to 32nm which is decades old tech. Many of the TSMC engineers, who surprise, surprise are ethic Chinese, switched jobs and work for SMIC a mainland based foundry. Please research by watching the Asianometry channel, a Tawainese tech blogger.
I've followed the events that led up to the current "situation" in the Ukraine for a long time, coming to the conclusion early on that a war proxy war between NATO and Russia was a real possibility. Over time, it became clear that Russia, apart from specific military preparations, also "hardened" it's economic and financial system so it could flourish even when disconnected from the west. If I, as an interested engineer lambda could see the writing on the wall, so could Russian engineers. It must be clear that the Russians new that, in case of an embargo, you need to roll your own, use a substitute, or stockpile before. If you have a system that is, in Russian fashion, good enough, you buy large quantities of needed chips when still possible. You can fit a few thousand of them in a shoebox. No big deal. Russia does produce its own micro-electronics, especially for its military hard-ware. I'm pretty sure that the Russians stockpiled large quantities of chips and that they will be able to continue to produce and use the systems at the current pace for many years.
Unless that shit gets destroyed in large quantities before deploying any. Or if their forces are even competent or capable of using and maintaining their equipment.
Clearly theres a difference between practically and effectively using said weapon systems and electronics and having them.
@@SmartAss4123 or they took the funds for chips and spent it on yachts instead
that's all well and good but what is the point of stocking some parts if you're not able to build quality weapons/vehicles with it ?
And even if you were, your army would be too incompetent to use them adequately ?
and as others mentioned, if all that money go to some pockets instead of those parts, it would be all for nothing.
@@Duron13 hi Julien, I've made a longer reply to main video that builds on the point you're making that you might be interested in. In summary, just looking at one item affected by sanctions, railways transport 85% of all cargo in Russia and every railway wagon needs roller bearings changed on a regular basis. They now can't buy them due to the sanctions which has caused massive problems for moving raw materials, finished goods across the huge distances in Russia. Like you say the supply chain just needs one link to break and it won't work, regardless of how many semiconductors you have in stock
@@Duron13 Russia doesn't have quality weapons
Actual military electronics generally need radiation hardening and don't use the current gen cutting edge commercial semi-conductor manufacturing processes which will go pop if a EW jammer looked at it the wrong way (besides forget about 7nm, a ballistics computer doesn't need it, a 1980s scientific calculator is more than up to the job!) although ancillary systems (screens, sensors, controllers) are increasingly off the shelf. The US semiconductor bans on China have much more to do with grubby commercial issues than any national security concerns (c.f. Chinese components in a F-35, there won't be any US components in a J-20!) ! The issue for non-proliferation is one of scale micro-controllers are present in almost all modern household equipment, every smartphone has a camera that can be turned into an imaging sensor, these exist in the 100s of millions and are produced in the 10s of millions annually missiles even smart shells are produced in the 1000s to 100000s even a 10 year old defunct mobile phone will have a multi-megapixel imaging sensor so just combing through the electrical waste in any country with a reasonably sized population can supply enough raw parts!
the irony of your statement is that none of the tech on the 35 is chinese but all the tech on the j is most likely American. there is no "chinese tech" just tech manufactured in china, and a plane and pretty much everything that comes with it is an American invention / innovation.
Wow, this must be the most intelligent, reasonable and objective comment section I've seen under a Russo-Ukranian war video. Congrats gentlemen.
Thanks for keeping this video neutral. You didn't seem to want to spin the political side of things in any particular way. Much appreciated!
Where there is a will, there will be generally found a way. Seems your money was well spent - this is good data. Thank you. ITAR regulations frequently get in the way of Americans just trying to get work done abroad, but there's a reason. Seems we didn't go far enough?
Welcome to a globalized economic world. ;)
Free market capitalism FTW
Well then Turkish Baryaktar is 0 Turkish. And F35 got parts from China. Italian M346 is just a Yak 130. And samiconductors are mainly from Taiwan also in nato army weapons. Korean tank uses german transmision and motor. Turkish tank Altay is also copy. So where do we want to go whit this???
I am in no way a weapons expert, but most of the processing and guidance and communication needed for any smart weapon can be found in a smartphone and its components. If I was to design the next smart weapon, I would just connect it to a smartphone with my custom control app and hardened mobile OS.
And then the NSA would have some new toys
I design electronics and you are totally wrong in your assumption that phone chips are good for making guidance, first up GPS and the like fail to work at around 500kph due to time dilation(look up Einstein) second you want use chips for inertia navigation like ring gyroscopes, then you need attitude aka a barometer, to honest a weather station would be good fit here to look for the part. A HARM type weapon could use some basic high frequency analogue circuitry like a differential opamp were you operate flight surfaces to zero out the opamp IE feedback loop that stays on a radiation vector by sniffing out the strongest signal path...no CPU just good old analogue. Very simple and would work.
@@ntal5859 can't you just compensate for time dilation in the calculations? Also the error produced would be pretty small so the end result would still be quite accurate for most types of munitions
A smartphone would be an overkill. ST Micro makes microcontrollers that a hundred time less powerful that a smartphone Cpu. STM sells them at 2usd each and they are not the only ones making them, a few chinese companies also produce these. You don't need that much processing power. Inertial guidance components are often handmade, saw a Chinese documentary. A more robust gps receiver can be purchased from a Chinese manufacturer for less than 50usd. RC motors and lawn mower engines are readily available from a few other Chinese manufacturers, maybe not the more reliable but it only needs to run for less than 24 hours for a suicide drone. I have some experience building flying model for a few decades, it isn't that hard. Nowadays you can build a optical or IR guidance system for just a few dollars using a cheap camera board from China.
Inertial keeps on a general course, gps gives you mid course correction and an optical/IR/RF terminal guidance would probably hit your target within 1 meter 99% of the time. The Iranian under complete sanction did it, probably with more robust components. The Russian Orlan drone looked like a patch work doll compared to Chinese drones.
Of course, the easiest thing to do is just mod a DJI drone or some Chinese toy drone.
@@ntal5859 So your design is ww2 style dead reckoning using op-amps instead of the accuracy of GPS that might be off by a few centimeters and can easily be fixed with software ?
Very good and straight forward reporting
how about us purchasing titanium and rocket motors from Russia?
That reminds me of the German Stuka which had motors made in the US. Nobody ever reported a shortage of spare motors or motor parts during WWII.
Wanna make loads of money? Sell to both.
Always great Videos, Thank You !!
Even Hard disk drives (HDD) all carry a MILSPEC on each unit, which gives the operation specification for military use. It can hardly be helped in a competitive market.
All that technology went to Russia via Ukraine. 🤷♂️
Globalization! Why I wouldn't use something cheap and effective in my military equipment if it is available on the market? Aren't all the other countries doing the same?
Love your content. Keep up the good work sir.
Hey Millennium 7, would you ever consider doing a video on modern electronic warfare? I know there's not a lot on TH-cam currently about that, and the videos you've done in the past on the workings of modern radars and missle seeking technology are *SO* good and educational, I just know you'd do a great job covering EW. Also, a few Russian mobile EW units have been captured in Ukraine, and were found to be pretty impressive and up-to-date, more so than they were previously thought to have had. Just seems like it'd be a great video, especially in your hands, and something I've been very curious about lately! Just an idea lol
And if he's already done one that I've somehow missed, somebody point me in the right direction please! Lol. I know he's touched on it in several videos, but I just think a full blown episode on modern EW would be fantastic, especially done by Millennium who always dives deep and explains things so well!
@@jpierce2l33t Russia has a lot of specialist engineers so it's no doubt that their indigenous radio designs are impressive.
@@Tattlebot oh agreed, and their lack of electronics production makes for some clever design choices!
Very interesting. Seeking Alpha had an article that analyzed why there was a shortage of chips. Huge orders by chip traders (not just the automotive and pc/mobile sectors) where they really didn't know who the end users were. The conclusion was stockpiling by countries that are now sanctioned by the West.
6:46 anyone else replaying this to see the impact?
the reliability factor is most important we have seen in WW2 germane high precision guns and tanks and more did not function in very cold weather I remember a British teacher told us that all the machined parts for guns that did not pass the quality test was shipped to Russia worked reliably there
Those semiconductors contain many materials from Russia.
It's clear that companies haven't been following the sanctions.
It is more likely that material was diverted to the Russian Military
Free market capitalism
LOL... why not? If the West is willing to supply them, Russia would be foolish not to use them. Simple really.
Many weapons systems are relying on very old technologies, that might be easier to access.For instance, many modern aircraft of the 4th generation use computers based on 486 processors. Such components are very capable to provide very decent guidance and overall capabilities. You do not need the latest I7, M2 or A16 processors for the weapons systems. I do not know what processors are being employed in the F-35, but most likely they must be about 10 - 15 years old, when the systems were originaly designed. Probably the F-22 uses computers based on Pentium processors and the same age circuitry. The same thing applies to the software, I saw systems that use FORTRAN as programing language and/or are operating the Windows NT 3.51, doing a perfect job.
I used to work in an electronics firm and lets say that the components that are in some aircraft are not just old they should be museum pieces.
Sometimes when adding a new component it needed to be custom designed which was sometimes extremely complicated because it had to mesh with dozens of different systems all using different set ups, chipsets, communication protocols etc and many were ancient. Then once you got that figured out you had to design it to survive litteral hell, one test in particular was really gross. you had to submerge the device in a pool filled with algae complete with a thriving insect population.
@@islandwills2778 Then comes the software layer, that takes months and years of developing and testing.Only the testing phase might take over a year, and is not bug free guaranteed. I lost a couple of friends due to the software bugs that caused crashes in an otherwise pretty benign environment.
@@alex3261 yea, it can be a real challenge especially if it has to integrate with the patchwork of other components
your channel is far too underrated.... I guess it's because although european, you are unbiased! and EU probably hates the fact that you are not a propaganda channel
lol. Pretending that only EU hates facts, as if Russia, China and other dictatorship like them are the sources of truth and hard facts.
I want to surprise you! If you take a look at modern American or European weapons, you will see that most of the electronics are made in Asia. Moreover, even the Intel company does not produce its latest chips itself, but does it in Taiwan. Similarly, Russia produces its Baikal processors and others at factories in Asia.
Buy a global economics textbook and read why this is happening.
What vehicle is that in 10:46? Something SHORAD?
Sorry, I lost the reference to the B-Roll.
Ukrainian Armed Forces and CIA:
"YES We capturing Russian drones! We can using it for intelligence data to countering Russian tactics!"
*After opened:
"F***K IT WAS OUR TECHNOLOGY! We've been pranked by Putin!"
Russian Armed Forces: 😁
Lol, CIA would act as if they found out.
I do not see either Russia or China 10 to 15 years behind the West in any sphere of important technology. Russia has a space industry, for decades. The belief that a nation self reliant in everything would need to design weapons which would require Western tech to work, is laughable. The thought that an Iskander missile system would need chips from Taiwan is ridiculous from a military logistics standpoint alone. How many spacecraft has Taiwan launched?
RUSI are a think tank who always says what the West is doing is right, they say whatever their sponsors tell them to say.
If Western tech could power the most advanced weapons on the planet, how come the West doesn't have any of them?
So, there is no such thing as independent think tanks?
@@Joshua_N-A That's right boy.
Extremely interesting video !
TSMC most advanced lithography is 5nm. China can produce low yield chips at 7nm. The difference in performance between 5 and 7nm chips is usually ~25%. China can easily produce most of the chips required by the PLA or by Russia.
They only need 20nm for most applications.
@@stupidburp i doubt even that
So far they use plenty of NATO weapons, Javelins, NLAWs, Stingers and many other rocket launchers, they captured an absolute shitton of them
Thank you that was very interesting.
4:38 are you implying Tu160 was captured? Downed ? Physically examined? By british?
Your assuming commercial production on 300mm wafers at scale and high yield, 150mm wafer at 50% yield wakes it a lot easier to do finfet at 14nm at higher cost military use.
this isn't going to affect the war in Ukraine, Russia is using and depleting some of the old equipment in purpose I believe,
US did the same during Afghanistan and Iraq wars?
Sei il migliore, sempre sul pezzo.
'Сhina has heavily invested in catching up and the results are hit and miss'. Actually Сhina has almost caught up in the last few years which surprised many of the people in the know. They are already on the 7 nm node which is just 2 generations(about 4 years) behind TSMC's 3 nm node.
Still many chinese electronic flagship still using korean or taiwan chips. To date no information about chinese microchip that is used in their premium flagship brand.
@@zuyrie They've made the breakthrough last month Aska, it takes time for the process to mature and enter mass production. And even at that time some of their phone brands will, naturally, still use TSMC/Samsung CPU microchips since, like I said, they are still 2 generations ahead.
As for the DRAM, Flash memory, SSDs and GPU chips, they have already caught up with the competition and have a parity.
@@zuyrie that is only because of price, not tech. and you are talking about phones, several of the top 50 supercomputer are powered by chinese chip where national security is more important than the being the lowest bidder.
Yup, you can thank European progressiveness and virtue signalling for that. There is merely a single company on earth who manufactures the machines capable of producing the highest density semi-conductor chips, ASML in the Netherlands. It's not really a stretch to say ASML is the most important company on earth, and as such it should be very, very tightly controlled, both who can buy which of their products, and also who can work at their company and at which departments. There are many foreign employees and foreign students who work at ASML, including those from countries who are potentially or even clearly hostile to the Netherlands, the EU, and the West. And we also know many of those countries have done repeated attempts of stealing ASML's technology, which considering it's extreme economic and military importance should all be regarded as & covered under national security. However that's not the case, the Netherlands lacks the legislation for that, and lacking specific national security legislation to ban foreign citizens out of (highly) risky countries from working there, trying to limit or ban their employment access to ASML would thus open them up to lawsuits due to "discrimination", either in the Dutch legal system or else the EU courts. Precisely why, like most other countries the Netherlands desperately needs special legislation to designate certain knowledge, products or companies as matters of national security, so we can prevent Chinese, Iranian, Russian or citizens from other adversaries from potentially acquiring access to ASML technology. Already there have been instances where foreign employees, notably Chinese, where caught in highly suspicious situations but ASML was pretty much powerless to kick them out and protect their technology.
@@pieterveenders9793 Too late for that I'm afraid. China will eventually catch up with ASML too. Plus, they already have more than enough DUV machines for their 7 nm node to enter into mass production. So... Tough luck I guess :)
Depending on the electronics involved, I could see the Russians breaking the sanctions with the help of China. These are older processors and electronics. Russia could acquire them indirectly through a Chinese company by purchasing e-waste. Obviously, they wouldn't directly do so, but they might have a front in Russia to recycle electronic waste.
I don't think the Russian government has any problems with buying semiconductors when you can buy an iPhone 14 in any Russian shopping center, you just need to have money))) the topic of import substitution in Russia has been discussed for many years. so, after the start of the war in Ukraine, the lack of foreign partners did not come as a surprise to US (I am from Russia)
@@kks8622 there's a difference between a small expensive consumer product, and the specialized electronics used for weapons. I mean Laura and stuff can be used for drones, but missiles and aircraft are another matter
I think some western researchers found that China has been using and exporting 7nm chips. And there is a rumor that China is manufacturing 3nm chips, however, that's not very likely but I do believe they're developing 3nm chips. However, those high-end chips are not usually the best choice for the military because of their price and capabilities ratio. It's needed to find a perfect balance.
7nm is china hard limit
They have been banned from buying the latest Lithography machine, which needed to break the 7nm barrier
@@notificationguys5128 which means they have their own lithography machines and is there a reason you have to believe China can't or is not working on 3nm chips?
@@MGZetta China has built its first 3nm chip (2022). However it isn't commercial yet (unlike TMSC and Samsung). ie quality control issues makes production of this chip unprofitable. As I understand it, production of this chip still requires import of indigenous machine components from outside of china which has now been banned..For a 100% indigenous lithography machine, China can build 22nm chips. China's home made lithography machine is about 10 years behind. But as far as military hardware goes...
2012 level computers that are 100% home made is pretty good.
@@nickl5658 bro doesn't know how computers work 💀typical wannabe defense enthusiast lmao
@@notificationguys5128 They recently announced they are making 5nm with own design lithography equipment since ASML can't export to China, they have been building and servicing older equipment for decades, hell they account for 50% of the 28nm equipment out there.
Is there any idea on the quantities that Russia bought of these western components? If they were able to buy large enough stockpiles they may have enough for several years of production in some cases .
That is the key question. I have seen no estimates. It seems that tanks and ground forces equipment in general is mostly ok for now, while air-launched weapons and ballistic rockets have issues.
they can easily buy more. i don't even think it is worth stockpiling because of the chip recycling market that reclaim alot of these component.
During WWI, the US paid royalties to German companies for patents on rifle parts. During WWII, we paid GAF, Seimans and others for chemicals and royalties for tech.. Profits for war materials always seem to be more important than human life or ideology
Also Texas Instruments and AMD are screaming for allowing these sales. Any sale is a good sale to a US based company, even if it is used to target that company with a weapon.
China is way ahead of Russia in semicoductors and not too far behind Taiwan.
China can now make its own 7nm chips.
I’m totally disappointed with RUSI. This was known two decades ago. It makes you wonder why they pretend to expertise.
Why would this be a disappointment? The fact that it was known 20 years ago is a reflection on western government, not RUSI.
This is why UAF don't form up in common stepping off block formations... instead they cooperatively move out from dispersed jumping off points..
If they didn't, they would soon have to.. Through osmosis if nothing else
The Orlan-10 disassembly videos are very interesting and i can't help to wonder if they can even replace the simple off the shelf components like the integrated DSLR cameras.
There is no way that sanctions can stop the flow of materials like cheap cameras.
It’s quite easy to smuggle in foreign components into the country. It’s less than ideal, but sanctions do not stop the import of foreign electronics. It just makes it more time consuming
Russia is very good at optics always has been - they went to Venus
@@markjackson7467 Russia has never been known for its precision technology
@@quinndenver4075 try again it designed and made 30% of INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION you dipstick
In terms of entertainment presentation style this one might be your best yet. And that is not to say it is sensationalist fluff because it had great information in it.
Thanks for the video
Are you under some kind of pressure?
Use of western dual use components make economic sense when bought instead of being manufactured in Russia. That does not mean using western weapons.
Economic sense does not really have a place when empowering a brutal insane dictator, who holds the power to invade and terrorize a neighboring country. If they could not make it in country then they should not have that power in hand. Look at the current consequences in Ukraine 🇺🇦 due to economic irresponsibility.
@@RootzRockBand Are you real?
I guess that all US presidents are angels. Ask the Vietnamese, N Koreans, Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans, Serbians etc.
@@RootzRockBand Try to learn the full story of the conflict since at least 1991.
Keep up the good work
My friends work for a millerty tec Leonardo. Ferry Road Edinburgh. They do lots of shit with radar mini drosnes and helmets for the new tempest fighter... Lots take home tec for homework. Semiconductors chips.
Yea it's a areo space company. My uncle longtime ago used to putt targeting on nukes war heads my uncle and auntie still work thier lots of people I no work thier. You can give them your phone and its free forever. Just never sell it. You can use your scanner to open hospital locked doors or and door system which uses a card.. I saw lots when I was inside.. Its like a bond plant... They are doing lasers for the new tempest that can go Miles even in fog. THIER address is crew toll but its ferry road. Thiets other places all over Edinburgh. Mi6 are down near leith.
I saw a sign somewhere in Edinburgh that Leonardo is hiring techs at the moment.
Very interesting, excellent work
Even as Russia readies the Sarmat & Zircon, are these also western weapons ?
These two are newer and they should not include western components
It is not possible to stockpile high-tech equipment, it would be like attempting to future-proof your computer for the next decade. It is not just improbable, it is impossible.
yeah, please check on which CPU Hubble was running 😂
I have bought microcontrollers and imaging sensors in bulk. Thousands of pieces.
The designs do not change. Not that quickly.
You can still buy audio chips for a Commodore 64 or the Motorola 68000...
@@juliusfucik4011 That is true, however, what I am referring to, is the advances in miniaturisation of chips, and high speed with which processors develop. The Space shuttle, ran several computers for error correction and redundancy, yet due to the period when it was developed, the computers were IBM 8088 processors. And the software was also 8 bit. Once a high-tech system is established, it becomes difficult to upgrade the entire hardware and software package as a whole. USAF fighters, for example, are just recently developing an upgradable architecture, to minimise the cost and downtime. Future proofing hardware and software is next to impossible, in this light.
Best designs are usually bestsellers. And because they are best sellers, there are stocks of them around the world. So using best components means you will never run out of supplies.
About china semiconductors. they are behind of Taiwan but they closed the gap aggressively(mainly by paying an TSMC outcast to lead them).
the us couldnt care less if russians use american components, or anyone else for that matter.
they gave billions for free to the taliban...so one that pays....no problem
How do we arm the other 11
It is not a surprise, semiconductor industry in Russia is 10-15 years behind the US or Taiwan.
For some reason, Colt made everyone equal comes to mind.
When classical weapons run out, Russia will just move up to the next level. Nukes.
There is too much confusion between military and commercial chips. Reducing the technology node is more of a commercial consideration and we reached the end of that process a decade ago. Now more gains can be acquired from new architecture and software rather than shrinking the node. Military applications are concerned with security of supply chain, reliability and fault tolerance rather than a smaller node. I doubt even the latest NATO equipment is using many chips past the 65nn or 32nm node.
Molecular printing is already pre-determined for a device near you (hopefully not a weapon).
On a more depressing note:
It is remarkable how war-addicted we are (myself included). The other remarkable observation is how stupid the current generation of high school and middle school students are in the collective West.
Salomè und leb wohl!
Mögest Du in das Licht, der Wahrheit, und dem SEIN der Schöpfung leben.
War addicted? I hate it. I even have a chart of monthly headaches and the incidence is nearly seven-fold since March. And high school students, yes there's no doubt severe cacogenesis is occurring. Women working in pure or applied mathematics have 0.5 children - a quarter as many needed to keep the high IQ population stable. Intellectually subnormal demographic is the only segment keeping up the national TFR of Western nations, but at a cost of hiding the truth about declining intellectual ability. Soon enough most older children won't be be able to read an analog clock or cursive - and that's already being noticed by many teachers.
@@Tattlebot Dear Adrian, I am on Your frequency, wavelength, and amplitude. Salomè und leb wohl! (Peace be with You, and Live Well!)
@@Tattlebot iq deffecient bigot
The t 90 remote weapon station is much more stream lined than the sep v3 syestem
Less bulky?
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Been watching this happen. The Russians call it 10, 10 and 10, or something like that. Fire for 10 minutes, get the hell out for 10 minutes to avoid counter battery fire, relocate for 10 minutes, and repeat.
pretty sure they already did stockpiled lots and lots of those components in past.
China isn't decades away from tech parity. They are maybe one decade away.
The challenge is only partly related to developing or sourcing the equipment. The other obstacle is the skill-set in the workforce that understands how to solve problems in fabrication yields for nanometer technologies at scale... IMO
Given that US News & World report ranked Tsinghua University in China the best Engineering university in the world with almost 3x the number of enrollment compared to M.I.T. the skill set gap will rapidly close (if not already).
@@jjc1347 Exactly. It won't take them long.
Nasa spent a fortune developing the ball point pen for space. Russia used a pencil
I remember they recall ps 3 or 4 some years ago.because they had chip inside that could be used in lunching missiles .not sure if its true but its heppened
New sub, great content and presentation!
Thanks and welcome!
Yeah but pretty much all of those are just standard off the shelf components, many of which you can just buy from random hobby or electronics stores
The situation reminds me of the development of the A12 and the later SR71. A great deal of titanium was needed for these craft, and as The Soviet Union had the largest known deposits of this mineral available, the CIA set up a number of shell companies to purchase the element from their enemy, where it would be used in spy aircraft, against the supplier.
Read that in the Ben Rich Skunk Work biography. It wasn't so much that the USSR had the mines but they had the processing and refining mastered. Ben Rich worked under Kelly and helped design the self adjusting intakes for the two massive jets.
@@eleventy-seven Hi Jordan, those two guys were true luminaries of the industry. The methods and processes required to work with titanium had to determined, for spars and spans as long as they needed. They had so much on their plate, it's a minor miracle the work they achieved. The average non aviation person, just thinks it's a cool looking futuristic looking plane. It was so much more than that, as you'd know.
@@eleventy-sevengood read!
I think that there are a couple of errors in your video that are more detail as your overall conclusions seem correct.
1 - Semiconductor foundry buildings are more complex than you stated. For example, they need to be cushioned so that trucks that are passing by do not cause vibrations that would make the lithography fail. These are not miracle buildings, but are complex to design and construct properly. Because of this the lead time on this kind of construction is enormous. This creates a problem in that if you are just going to build parts for the military the costs in doing this are outrageous. We are talking $Bs to build a foundry. $Bs to build the underlying design infrastructure. $10Ms to build the actual patterns for the parts. And if you put 1 in every Russian Tank, you will build 12,000 of them. In the real world, you want to build millions of a specific part to amortize the costs.
2 - Your implication is that Taiwan is the world's largest semiconductor manufacturing country. This is not true. Taiwan leads in independent semiconductor manufacturing or "foundry" work. TSMC, as you showed, is the largest firm in this industry. However, the largest semiconductor manufacturing country in the world is the US. It leads the world in what is called "captive" semiconductors. This is exemplified by the world's largest semiconductor company Intel.
The tracing of the use of components is quite hard. Let me provide one example. Imagine you are Texas Instruments (one of the companies that you mentioned as having parts in Russian equipment). Texas Instruments has many customers that build products in China. Those products are very often built by what are called contract manufacturers. Any contract manufacturing facility might have many customers that use a Texas Instruments part that is used in a Russian weapon. All that needs to happen is that more parts than the contract manufacturer requires can be bought. A 3rd party Russian company can then buy those parts from the Chinese contract manufacturer and poof these parts that are sanctioned are now in Russia. Depending on quantities, the extra parts could be hidden in failure numbers and be completely undetectable. This is one of dozens of ways for this to happen and is much harder to prevent than one might think. From Texas Instruments standpoint, they are selling parts to a buyer that is completely legitimate. They have no way of knowing that their parts went out the back door.
^^^this!! Also, TSMC doesn't design any chips...only builds them. The large majority of what they build is designed in the West...like Apple, nVidia, and many more. So the west is by far king of the semiconductor.
Some errors that i found in your comment:
- The largest semiconductor MANUFACTURING country in the world is NOT the US. United States only manufacturs about 12% of the world semiconductors, behind South Korea, Taiwan, Mainland China and Japan (these east-asian countries manufactures about 75% of the world semiconductors). US is one of the leaders in the semiconductor industry (strong in Chip DESIGN, EDA tools, etc), but its manufacturing capacity is not that strong, thats why CHIPS act was approved. Also, Samsung (South Korea) is the world's largest semiconductor company, NOT Intel.
@@chd0043 Samsung is a larger company but is not a larger semiconductor company.
From wikipedia
Manufacturers headquartered in the following places are the sales leaders in the pure-play foundry, IDM (integrated device manufacturing), fabless manufacturing and OSAT (outsourced semiconductor assembly and testing) sectors of the industry.[26]
Rank Foundry IDM Fabless OSAT
1 Taiwan United States United States Taiwan
2 United States South Korea Taiwan United States
3 China Japan China China
4 Israel European Union European Union Singapore
5 South Korea Taiwan Japan Japan
Note that manufacturers headquartered in the United States have fabrication plants across the world, including over 50% in the Americas, 39% in the Asia-Pacific region (including 9% in Japan), and 9% in Europe.[26]
@@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344
The source from wikipedia you are copy-pasting is data from 2016 (outdated by 6 years), [BEYOND BORDERS: THE GLOBAL SEMICONDUCTOR VALUE CHAIN" (PDF). Semiconductor Industry Association. May 2016].
If you search for 2021 data, you found better info:
The 5 Leading Semiconductor Companies in the World (2021):
Based on "Statistics and Data", we see SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS at the top with a revenue of $76 billion in 2021, just overtaking Intel with $73 billion. These two giants are then followed by Taiwan Semiconductor with a revenue of $57 billion, SK Hynix with $36 billion, and finally, Micron Technology Inc with $28 billion.
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Also, the same wikipedia article that you refer includes a list: "Major semiconductor companies" in wich SAMSUNG is listed as number 1 (classified as an IDM)
Thank you very informative
Excellent work
Misleading title, replace with 'Russia is using Western electronics in its weapons'
The Germans didn’t know about ultra! ..? My dad used it lateish 44’ to take out German HQ ! The hq was being abandoned at two o’clock in the afternoon!
High performance embedded CPU's today is software, not silicon. Chinese embedded is easy on the same field as the western brands. So ARM, 51's and even RISC architecture for advanced graphic calculation is already designed and produced in China and probably in Russia. So... no... Russia or any big country has no problem to get the high performance chips, no problems at all.
China has a thriving 14nm and already capable of 7nm. That's about 5 years behind the cutting edge...but 5 years ago, would easily have covered requirements of all weapon systems since western weapons development cycles are on the order of 10-15 years. Increasingly there is not much that can't be done with readily available Chinese and other free market supplies.