Hello sir.. I have a question. Does USA shares its jet engine technological advancement with Britain and France??? Or M88 and eurojet engines r totally European developed. Does American and European engines have same life cycle hours??
Back when the project was called FEFA, and the French were still involved (before they split off to make Rafale instead), it was said that FEFA really stood for Five Europeans F***ing Around.
@@dsdy1205 Oh my god, we're not that vulgar. But by working alone we gained two years, made a maritime plane, which wins 80% of times against the typhoon during training and we missed many political problems.
@@GSteel-rh9iu It's not really a Eurofighter, unless France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Scandinavia and the countries of central and eastern Europe don't count as European. There's a thought !
Typhoon is a joy to see fly. My gosh it is powerful too. You can feel it as much as hear it if you're within 10 miles and the tail points at you, on reheat.
@@xyzabc101 A very vague claim. Can you elaborate? What is it better at? Joetaylor486 was talking about how powerful it is and the Typhoon is the fighter jet with the best power to weight ratio, better than that of the F22. That is a fact.
One of the reasons that there are so many variants of the Typhoon is that it is MUCH easier to add capabilities to an existing (multi-role) airframe than it is to start from scratch. In the old days, the Typhoon capabilities might have been fulfilled by three or four aircraft, all of which would have had long development cycles. Nowadays, you add some more electronics and some new missiles and you have saved yourself many years and huge amounts of money. As long as there is no regression (where adding a new capability modifies or harms an existing one), this approach can work very well.
I remember very well in 1995, when Germany stepped on claiming the EFA was too complex and expensive and called for a full rework! 🤣🤣🤣 4 years later the joint commission came to the conclusion that the plane could NOT be simplified further and the development got back to where it was in 1995, with 4 years of useless and expensive delays that crippled possible sales for third nations. I "suspect" having in stock a whole bunch of just updated Mig29 to replace the Phantoms had nothing to do with that "convenient" delay, while Italy and the UK were struggling with Tornado F3 and leased F16A to keep their Air to Air fleet flying! 😏 This is why I go full "Pietro Aretino" mode when I hear someone talking of joint development project with Germany in the future. Just check what a morbid mess they are making of the Franco German development of the FCAS, A400M, and the future MBT! 😵💫
Involving the Germans in *anything* military inevitably leads to delays and tears before bedtime. There have been several occasions at JW exercises where the commander has appointed an officer whose only role is to stop the French and Germans from fighting each other.
I wonder if you might get around to the AMK (advanced maneuvering kit) for the aircraft. I've seen that it has significant performance gains for what seems like tiny aerodynamic refinements, but I haven't seen much about why this is the case, or why no one seems to have jumped on board and retrofitted their aircraft. Or for that matter why the higher thrust EJ200 engines were never developed, or why the 3d nozzles were but were not installed even on a testbed aircraft.
I always wondered why no Typhoon (which somehow has become one of my fav aircraft) while Gripen's and Rafale's have so much content on your channel, so my wait ends, looking forward to the next few weeks. 🤞
OTIS (if not restriced so rudely :)) could probably have mentioned this: During the 80s in Germany the later Eurofighter was oftenly proposed as "Jäger 90".
This is why as a non-European it's going to be amazing to watch the completely unedifying and ridiculously petty fights over the FCAS and SCAF programs.
Perhaps it won't be as unedifying as you might expect. Back in the day the UK and Germany were both experimenting with F-16 intakes. The EAP and TFK90 shared similar intakes. The French fully understood that neither of the two would be suitable for the carrier role. And they needed a catobar capable plane. FCAS and SCAF are broadly similar.
@@bernadmanny Strangely enough, while that European haggling in such projects is a running joke, it is barely better or even worse in the USA, where different states demand that parts of aircraft be built on their soil. Defense manufacturers in the USA deliberately make that worse by voluntarily splitting up their manufacturing over as many states as possible, so that whenever someone starts talking about cancelling a program, as many state senators as possible go on the warpath to protect jobs in their state. In the case of the F-22 that apparently backfired because its manufacturing got so dispersed and so stretched thin over like 44 states that it became way too expensive to even think about restarting it. Compared to that just having 3 or 4 countries argue over a project is relatively manageable.
There are not many things to make me laugh these days, but your excellent German accent just knocked me down! Thanks for the great video and interesting info!
The Eurofighter is an interesting concept - to get 4 countries to agree on a feasible solution is a wonder! To then actually get a top of the range jet into the air even more so! What surprises me is, that selling this machine in the beginning was quite tough and not as good as expected. Today now there are a good few countries flying this sleek machine.
And then they cancel it after Season 1, launch a French spinoff, revive it after protests from fans with the original cast (sans France) Then finally develop it into a pretty decent show, that fills it's niche, beloved by fans, even though it is not a massive financial success.
The Tornado was capable of operating in ground attack mode. The joke made by some about the Jaguar was that until the FLIR was fixed, it performed its' ground attack role rather too literally, by flying into the ground.
Yes was really hoping your great informed views on the upcoming upgraded latest to be typhoon,think Italy now having same radar as UK ,be interesting to see if you rate it compared to latest fighters coming out if will be able to hold its own , really enjoy your videos ,thanks 😁👍
Getting rid of the Tornado was a stupid idea. The Typhoon was originally going to be a point defense fighter (highly agile with a vary fast climb to altitude and as high a service ceiling as possible). Adding the kit for ground attack made the Typhoon heavier. That reduces all 3 point defense criteria. Also for an interceptor we still had the Tornado. The Tornado was actually a good interceptor type fighter. IE it had a good straight line speed and could launch up to 6 missiles at a time. Yes the typhoon can theoretically do 8 but the tornado was faster and longer range.
@Phillip Banes all of that changes once you start carrying a payload. 5th gen aircraft has the advantage of no parasitic drag incurred from external payloads
@Phillip Banes the f16 doesn't have the fastest climb rate of all the fighters. It has 280-290 m/s many other fighters have more Su27 family ~300 m/s F15 ~310m/s Ef2000 ~315m/s
@@ser43_OLDC The f-15 - more like 300 m/s, the Wikipedia is riddled with errors. I stand by the account of a USAF f-15C pilot, who ran a direct climb comparison while flying a German MiG-29 against another f-15C. The MiG smoked the Eagle in that challenge. MiG-29A - 330 m/s
Maintainability probably would have got it in the end. There's something to be said for having less types of aircraft overall and the F-35 was coming in so possibly just as well that Tornado was going out. There might be something to be said for an updated design of an aircraft like the Tornado rather than developing something entirely new each time. Isn't this the case with the F-18 and the Harrier?
@@Millennium7HistoryTech I‘ll show them your channel when they ask me why I crashed a $124 million dollar aircraft… But in all seriousness, you’re becoming my favorite aviation channel on TH-cam, I love your focus on the engineering side of things
Hi, I really like this channel, the quality of the research is really great. Planes and UAVs (UCAVs? whatever the hell they call them these days) are great topics, but I was wondering if you could make reports on various missile systems? Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground systems, cruise missiles, anti-air missiles, ballistics missiles, and missile defense systems (!!!) would make great videos. How good are existing missile defense systems? How do European, Chinese, American, and Russian air-to-air missiles stack up? What is the status of Chinese air-to-ground weapon systems? Or anti-shipping missiles?
If you're curious about "austere" for most native english accents, austere is pronounced without a diphthong, for north americans at least it is the same vowel in "all"
Great Video. Loved the Sketch about the naming between the German and the British. :D Gonna be really awkward, if we don't stop Rheinmetall calling their next tank "Panther".
I'm pretty sure I won't fall into catatonic if you proceed with the behind-the-curtains stories! Bring up the dirty stuff! The Eurofighter is a darling, just like the Tornado before him, so on with the show!
Actually; This plane deserves three or four episodes. I - Diplomatic part (Man, it is fun. Admit it!). II- Economics (Would be a text book episode about military projects, really.) III - EF-2000 ( Between 2003-2023) IV- EF-2020 (2023-FUTURE) This is a seriously capable platform. Think about it, EF- has SUPER CRUISE CAPABLE, while F-35 recommended to fly Subsonic! First modern (I don't accept it as a 4th or 4.5th Gen. It is more capable than all those) airplane that has towed decoy, counter EW suite. and other list of tech (hud integrated helmet, IRST, Meteor...). Since there are some countries out there which will not touch F-35 tech anytime soon (Türkiye, Qatar, Egypt, Oman, KSA, UAE) EF-2020 still has great market potential.
@@lat78610 of course, France as the only producer of the thing has less export prodecures. Up to four times less. Still, not much about the performance of the plane, but other issues.
Bureaucracy and politics already more or less killed the european military aviation industry. Only France and Sweden are still getting things done, since they do it on their own. Some say the Eurofighter is already old tech, while I do not agree, we are long overdue for a 5th or 6th generation fighter but it is all just talks, expensive talks. By the time Germany will receive its first F-35's the US will already have some 6th generation fighters I guess. I am not even a fan of national programs, because those cost more money than many EU states can provide for but at the moment politics and bureaucracy are hindering any real progress and Russia is already making a huge mess and Chinas leadership is very concerning too.
By the time the Typhoon entered service it was obsolete the US had already flown 4 5th gen fighter prototypes and the F-22 Raptor entered service just 5 years after Typhoon and the french Rafale is dominating the export market.
@@sean70729As of their respective latest blocks, Rafale and EF are very close to the US 5th gen short of stealth. Europe doesn’t have the deep economic & industry base of the US. As a compromise, they developed 4.5 gen that suits their needs and kept their industry alive. Well done to them. Now they are ready to leap to 6th gen.
@@fatdaddy1996 Not Russia itself but the realisation, that the world is still a hostile place should be enough to push domestic developments, at least if one is not interested in just buying military equipment from other countries.
#Defense doctrines you talk about them a lot, I love to hear your judgments about each defense doctrines, for example how they did and influenced the geopolitics? Sir, that would be amazing to hear your analysis on this subject matter
It is more usually the other way around, in the UK at least. The military follows a fully thought-through process, converting their doctrines (often derived from the NATO master plan) into operational requirements and equipment specifications, then some half-a**e defence minister comes along and says that the government's political strategy means that all their ideas are defunct, so they start again, only for the defence minister to be replaced two years later and for the whole cycle to start again. Defence equipment is supplied in spite of governments, not because of them - if you think I am being cynical, look at the procurement history for the D-class ships and then the carriers, and remember that what is in the public domain is less than half of what actually went on.
If there was any objection from the German side to naming it Typhoon, then I am pretty sure it had nothing to do with a WW2 fighter having the same name. If anything, it just was "too British" for them, not because they had something against British stuff in general, but because they wanted to avoid the perception that after putting all this RND into it, they were just buying a British aircraft. Tornado is a word that is common in the German language too, Typhoon not so much.
I became bold working on Typhoon Development over the last 20 or so years😢. Killed my self watching you drink a cup of tea…Could you just do a video of how you made your tea, us Brits take that seriously 😂 Great Video love the humour
It would seem that this aircraft is far from the expectations of certain user countries such as Austria. It seems inferior to the Rafale apart from the speed and the maximum operational ceiling. No flight in super cruise, a huge radar surface, very easy infrared tracking and at huge distances, contested radar and a very relative, if not catastrophic, availability. Being only a fan and absolutely not an expert these are the "noises" that I could hear and I do not wish to offend anyone.
It can have a bigger AESA radar than the Rafale. While all fanbois are difficult to argue with, French Rafale fans are the most difficult. Every fan of any aircraft likes to quote future capabilities as if they exist now and to criticise past failings of the alternative. European aircraft are quite good lets say but they perhaps don't have the same amount spent on all the supporting things, weapon integrations etc, that the Americans can afford. Also it depends very much on what you prize most as to which aircraft "wins" and I think this is the most difficult thing of all because a situation like Ukraine turns up and teaches you that what you thought was going to happen doesn't. i.e perhaps flexibility is the best feature of all.
@@timmurphy5541 Hello Tim; In your opinion, when you talk about "flexibility", which plane has the most or has the possibility to go up the range the most? The one that was developed and thought of as an interceptor or the one that from the beginning was thought of as an omni-role aircraft? Now know which is the best, just look at the results of training exercises between nations, during red flag for example, the results are in my humble opinion quite eloquent. But does knowing which one is the best really matter? aren't the users of the two planes allies? And aren't the weaknesses of one compensated for by the other?
At what point, if ever, will you understand that the two aircraft were built to VERY different requirement specifications ? The four partners in the Typhoon are all happy because they each have an aircraft that exceeds by some distance what was expected of it, in all areas of assessment. France is happy because it has an aircraft which suits its specific requirements, especially the naval capability.
@@olivierpuyou3621 Please, find an ex-French air force pilot and have him explain to you how red flag exercises work. They are NEVER competitions between aircraft, they are exercises designed to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of one or both aircraft. If you do not know this, you should refrain from commenting on such matters, because you are only making yourself look foolish.
I wonder why the Typhoon and, before It, the Tornado, were conceived as so small in comparison with equivalent aircrafts in US. History teach that real versatility comes with large dimensions.
@ Andrea Bindolini. Not quite. Anyway, the likes of Tomcat and Hornet are designed for naval operations and such are much larger to accomodate Larger engines, fuel systems for carrier based long range CAP. The F15 as another example, is also a much older design aircraft which also has much larger engines. The U.S developed the F22 programme to replace the F15 fleet while maintaining the adage that a larger aicraft would be more suited for the United states to operate due to the expanse of flight ops over mainland U.S. The Typhoon on the other hand is light, affordable and designed for the European theatre where concerns over long rang flights are not so much of an issue. (in flight- refuelling can still be conducted) also the Eurojet engines are better suited for their designed purpose, just like American aircraft designed for a similar role.
The F16 proves the opposite. Yes a larger aircraft could in theory carry even more weapons or has greater range. But it also means you need the infrastructure to support it.
@@shi01The F-16 proves exactly my point. It Is a multi role aircraft, but still a complement for larger platforms. When USAF had to choose between F-15E and F-16XL, had no doubts. A larger platform Is inherently more versatile. One of the criticism about the F-35 Is that Is too small. In the Gulf War, the Tornado small dimensions were a problem.
@@cgh1060 considerations about the european theatre are correct. Still, the Tornado turned out a bit small for the needs. I also think that the size of the european aircrafts was at least partially dictated by the engines.
Sorry I am late for the class sensei, faulty vpn and iranian Internet is such an impossible combination, that story sounds very familiar to the new 6th gen, isn't it? The thing between me and Eurofighter is, the first time I translated an article for my English class project back in junior high, it was about the gun in the Eurofighter and how it was good it wasn't ejecting the empty cases...
I have a slight problem with the video. And I'll be quite blunt. As a kid I watched EAP fly. Given the last plane like it was Lightning (All british plane) - it was quite a thing to see BAe bring that out, even if it had a Tornado tail and used the RB199s. After the cold war defense crash and 2%, I watched as Europe wanted, tried and almost got its way in killing the program. 'The Russians are gone' - and the Brits kept it afloat by buying it when others didn't. The Centurion project was largely driven by the brits, and some other advancements were driven by export models. The sad truth is 'europe' doesn't have a great record in supporting the Eurofighter. Only my opinion, but - I think development costs are so high for new aircraft, that you have to assess the platforms you have. Are they within competitive bounds of envelope (Mach 2, climb to height, range)? Are they developmental in nature - can the platform actually host new tech. Does it have electrical and cooling. Can it take new radar, missiles, platforms? The Eurofighter should be developed further. I am very doubtful tempest will be a better platform. Late era Typhoons and a very solid, well rounded platform. And I suspect avail rates make the F35 look stupid. Which it is.
Availability rates are going to be low for all fully stealthy fighters because of the time with gap filling. Repairs to stealth surface materials is also time consuming but might eventually improve with newer materials. The gap filling will remain an issue, unless you sacrifice some significant stealth capabilities.
@@FallenPhoenix86 Its already morphed into an 'international' programme where a game of who can we get to pay and do a bunch of workshare - is front and centre. The 'all new British programme' that gathers british industry and formulates the first new british aircraft in X is deader than dead. In looking at its design, Starting with wing loading, and small tailfins, without large redesign I am very doubtful its flight env will even be competitive with a Eurofighter. Probably some argument about 9G platforms dead in BVR Stealth world will rage on. The US is now actively looking for an F16 replacement, because it no longer believes in a fully stealth future, and you need a capable, numerous force, not an invisible one stuck on the ground fighting ALIS for 18 months parts.
@@stupidburp While there isn't an argument in the higher main hours for stealth, generally that's not the cause of planes being grounded. ALIS, and its replacement, shared programme with thousands of suppliers, dire production tranche issues, lack of parts, engine issues all lead to a plane with terrible avail rates. And that's before we get into the ongoing number of significant problems the program still has that are not resolved. (I make for clarity a comment. I hate the F35 program.) In IT we have a background consideration in that if you deploy a monoculture, you can get into a terrible place if that is shit. Monocultures have inherent weaknesses, but offer certain pros as well. But the pro's must outweigh the weaknesses. In chosing F35, NATO and allies have selected a bad monoculture, and in doing so, they have thrown a lot of other plane companies to the wolves. Sadly its a repeat of what happened to the British aero industry when the money dried up and they walked down the same monoculture idea.
Mainly down to the Germans trying continually to dumb down or pull out , which is why in my opinion, the French are welcome to partnering with Germans over 6th gen. I wish the French “ Bon Chance”, they will need it!!
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So to sum it up the Eurofighter is a train wreck that 360 no-scope to a perfect landing... Welp at least its development still has a better love story than twilight.
Gen marketing nonsense needs to go. Capabilities are what is relevant snd there is no single configuration for all purposes. Boiling down to a number is just for marketing
I love how detailed the information you present is. You clearly are technically superior in your content and you talk about fascinating subjects. My only issue though, your pronunciation, inflection and grammar is extremely difficult to understand. Even with subtitles i have a terrible time understanding you. Im a native english speaker and i find it almost impossible to understand most of your sentences because you pronounce a word wrong or get the inflection of, say a comma, totally twisted
Sounds like the Leopard 2 - which is still not up to the task, it was procured for before being replace by an announced KF51 Panther... Expect similar announcements after the German GDP begins to shrink due to increased energy prices and declining exports.
@@emanuelfigueroa5657 well english wanted a pure interdiction fighter, and France wanted a multirole. Rafale is pure multirole, and EF is an interdiction fighter retrofitted for multirole purpose, making it way worse.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000 is the father of both Rafale and Eurofighter, with a similar interlocking makers-ownership network behind it.
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Hello sir.. I have a question.
Does USA shares its jet engine technological advancement with Britain and France???
Or M88 and eurojet engines r totally European developed.
Does American and European engines have same life cycle hours??
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Back when the project was called FEFA, and the French were still involved (before they split off to make Rafale instead), it was said that FEFA really stood for Five Europeans F***ing Around.
Just like MRCA meant Must Refurbish Canberra Again.
Fifa
I mean the acronym still works, Four Europeans F***ing Around
@@dsdy1205 Oh my god, we're not that vulgar.
But by working alone we gained two years, made a maritime plane, which wins 80% of times against the typhoon during training and we missed many political problems.
@@olivierpuyou3621 My comment had nothing to do with France
The fabled Eurofighter series arrives. Hooray. Weeks of beer and popcorn are being prepared.
“Typhoon” is perfect!!! That German impression got me laughing so hard🤣🤣🤣
Yes that was Funny😂
This plane isn’t called Typhoon in German. It’s always called Eurofighter.
Whenever somebody says Typhoon I think WWII; Eurofighter is very clear.
@@GSteel-rh9iu It's not really a Eurofighter, unless France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Scandinavia and the countries of central and eastern Europe don't count as European. There's a thought !
@@hb1338 Yeah true, it's only like a new Tornado. Better they called it Tornado II, when France left to do better alone.
Really need the EF Typhoon in-depth review cuz it is the only one that is not reviewed extremely deeply.
"We can't do 37 episodes on a single aircraft..."
F-35: "Hold my beer..."
Typhoon is a joy to see fly. My gosh it is powerful too. You can feel it as much as hear it if you're within 10 miles and the tail points at you, on reheat.
F22 still alot better
@@xyzabc101 A very vague claim. Can you elaborate? What is it better at?
Joetaylor486 was talking about how powerful it is and the Typhoon is the fighter jet with the best power to weight ratio, better than that of the F22. That is a fact.
One of the reasons that there are so many variants of the Typhoon is that it is MUCH easier to add capabilities to an existing (multi-role) airframe than it is to start from scratch. In the old days, the Typhoon capabilities might have been fulfilled by three or four aircraft, all of which would have had long development cycles. Nowadays, you add some more electronics and some new missiles and you have saved yourself many years and huge amounts of money. As long as there is no regression (where adding a new capability modifies or harms an existing one), this approach can work very well.
Finalmente una serie di video sull'Eurofighter. Non vedo l'ora di vedere i prossimi episodi. Ottimo lavoro come sempre😎🤩
I started watching your channel not so long ago (this is the second or third video for me), your editing style makes these video much enjoyable
I remember very well in 1995, when Germany stepped on claiming the EFA was too complex and expensive and called for a full rework! 🤣🤣🤣
4 years later the joint commission came to the conclusion that the plane could NOT be simplified further and the development got back to where it was in 1995, with 4 years of useless and expensive delays that crippled possible sales for third nations.
I "suspect" having in stock a whole bunch of just updated Mig29 to replace the Phantoms had nothing to do with that "convenient" delay, while Italy and the UK were struggling with Tornado F3 and leased F16A to keep their Air to Air fleet flying! 😏
This is why I go full "Pietro Aretino" mode when I hear someone talking of joint development project with Germany in the future. Just check what a morbid mess they are making of the Franco German development of the FCAS, A400M, and the future MBT! 😵💫
Involving the Germans in *anything* military inevitably leads to delays and tears before bedtime. There have been several occasions at JW exercises where the commander has appointed an officer whose only role is to stop the French and Germans from fighting each other.
I wonder if you might get around to the AMK (advanced maneuvering kit) for the aircraft. I've seen that it has significant performance gains for what seems like tiny aerodynamic refinements, but I haven't seen much about why this is the case, or why no one seems to have jumped on board and retrofitted their aircraft.
Or for that matter why the higher thrust EJ200 engines were never developed, or why the 3d nozzles were but were not installed even on a testbed aircraft.
I always wondered why no Typhoon (which somehow has become one of my fav aircraft) while Gripen's and Rafale's have so much content on your channel, so my wait ends, looking forward to the next few weeks. 🤞
Same
A Brilliant introductory episode and much better planned than the project. Thank you very much indeed and I am looking forward to the series/
Love to see the sponsorship. You’re getting noticed!
Very well deserved.
OTIS (if not restriced so rudely :)) could probably have mentioned this: During the 80s in Germany the later Eurofighter was oftenly proposed as "Jäger 90".
This is why as a non-European it's going to be amazing to watch the completely unedifying and ridiculously petty fights over the FCAS and SCAF programs.
Perhaps it won't be as unedifying as you might expect. Back in the day the UK and Germany were both experimenting with F-16 intakes. The EAP and TFK90 shared similar intakes. The French fully understood that neither of the two would be suitable for the carrier role. And they needed a catobar capable plane. FCAS and SCAF are broadly similar.
@@marcg1686 I was thinking more about workshare and funding
@@bernadmanny Strangely enough, while that European haggling in such projects is a running joke, it is barely better or even worse in the USA, where different states demand that parts of aircraft be built on their soil.
Defense manufacturers in the USA deliberately make that worse by voluntarily splitting up their manufacturing over as many states as possible, so that whenever someone starts talking about cancelling a program, as many state senators as possible go on the warpath to protect jobs in their state.
In the case of the F-22 that apparently backfired because its manufacturing got so dispersed and so stretched thin over like 44 states that it became way too expensive to even think about restarting it.
Compared to that just having 3 or 4 countries argue over a project is relatively manageable.
Oh yeah, I love waking up early! Start my day off right with an M7* video!
There are not many things to make me laugh these days, but your excellent German accent just knocked me down! Thanks for the great video and interesting info!
Glad to see you making more content.
The Eurofighter is an interesting concept - to get 4 countries to agree on a feasible solution is a wonder! To then actually get a top of the range jet into the air even more so! What surprises me is, that selling this machine in the beginning was quite tough and not as good as expected. Today now there are a good few countries flying this sleek machine.
You keep it interesting with the Pre show banter Glad I am subscribed.
Sad man totally emotionally involved with his vacuum cleaner! Brilliant idea actually.
A me onestamente l'idea di vedere 37 video sull'EFA non dispiaceva...
Bring it on! :D
Send the sketch of the full series to netflix. They might greenlit a 7 seasons series😂
The Typhoon of Power!
And then they cancel it after Season 1, launch a French spinoff, revive it after protests from fans with the original cast (sans France)
Then finally develop it into a pretty decent show, that fills it's niche, beloved by fans, even though it is not a massive financial success.
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"Tornado was a ground attack aircraft"
That's a Jaguar.
The Tornado was capable of operating in ground attack mode.
The joke made by some about the Jaguar was that until the FLIR was fixed, it performed its' ground attack role rather too literally, by flying into the ground.
Oh boy, the Eurofighter. A plane with politics as complex if not more so than the aircraft itself.
I am looking forward to this series.
Hi, create one article on Sepecat Jaguar .. Thanks in advance..
Still in use, despite being replaced by two new generations of aircraft in the original user countries.
Yes was really hoping your great informed views on the upcoming upgraded latest to be typhoon,think Italy now having same radar as UK ,be interesting to see if you rate it compared to latest fighters coming out if will be able to hold its own , really enjoy your videos ,thanks 😁👍
Getting rid of the Tornado was a stupid idea. The Typhoon was originally going to be a point defense fighter (highly agile with a vary fast climb to altitude and as high a service ceiling as possible). Adding the kit for ground attack made the Typhoon heavier. That reduces all 3 point defense criteria. Also for an interceptor we still had the Tornado. The Tornado was actually a good interceptor type fighter. IE it had a good straight line speed and could launch up to 6 missiles at a time. Yes the typhoon can theoretically do 8 but the tornado was faster and longer range.
@Phillip Banes the f16 isn't more agile and doesn't climb faster.
@Phillip Banes all of that changes once you start carrying a payload. 5th gen aircraft has the advantage of no parasitic drag incurred from external payloads
@Phillip Banes the f16 doesn't have the fastest climb rate of all the fighters. It has 280-290 m/s many other fighters have more
Su27 family ~300 m/s
F15 ~310m/s
Ef2000 ~315m/s
@@ser43_OLDC The f-15 - more like 300 m/s, the Wikipedia is riddled with errors. I stand by the account of a USAF f-15C pilot, who ran a direct climb comparison while flying a German MiG-29 against another f-15C. The MiG smoked the Eagle in that challenge.
MiG-29A - 330 m/s
Maintainability probably would have got it in the end. There's something to be said for having less types of aircraft overall and the F-35 was coming in so possibly just as well that Tornado was going out. There might be something to be said for an updated design of an aircraft like the Tornado rather than developing something entirely new each time. Isn't this the case with the F-18 and the Harrier?
Millennium 7*. Still the best TH-cam channel for aircraft information. 👍
I‘m currently training to become a Eurofighter pilot and your videos are really good to get background knowledge for the aircraft, thank you
Humm 👉👈....I decline all responsibility!
@@Millennium7HistoryTech I‘ll show them your channel when they ask me why I crashed a $124 million dollar aircraft…
But in all seriousness, you’re becoming my favorite aviation channel on TH-cam, I love your focus on the engineering side of things
As a kid, I remember Take Off magazine mentioning the programme. Take Off was such an interesting magazine!
finally a typhoon video! thank you so much
a series I've been waiting for.
so looking forward to this
I think this is still the fastest of the Euro Delta Canards.
It is
Hi, I really like this channel, the quality of the research is really great. Planes and UAVs (UCAVs? whatever the hell they call them these days) are great topics, but I was wondering if you could make reports on various missile systems? Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground systems, cruise missiles, anti-air missiles, ballistics missiles, and missile defense systems (!!!) would make great videos. How good are existing missile defense systems? How do European, Chinese, American, and Russian air-to-air missiles stack up? What is the status of Chinese air-to-ground weapon systems? Or anti-shipping missiles?
Speaking of WarThunder, what're the purpose of the fixed canards on the Israeli Kfir C7? Are they just there to adjust the center of lift?
Most likely to increase lift, as per Viggen.
Great channel. Subscribed. I'd be interested to hear your take on John Boyd, the USAF Fighter Mafia, and the creation of the YF-16.
If you're curious about "austere" for most native english accents, austere is pronounced without a diphthong, for north americans at least it is the same vowel in "all"
“Spitfire 2” 😂😂😂
Great Video. Loved the Sketch about the naming between the German and the British. :D
Gonna be really awkward, if we don't stop Rheinmetall calling their next tank "Panther".
A Mess indeed. I always laugh when i think back to the Jäger 90 Projekt and the tiny dealy of 25 years it came in late.
If it's giving you headache, just call it Tornado II, because this is only what it is, after the French left the program.
"Spitfire is perfect!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Block based manufacturing and upgrades existed long before Eurofighter with the F-16.
"In European Union, aircraft designs *you*!"
Latest vaiant has full glass cockpit,digital screen like one on f35 and f15ex
Oooh have been waiting for this one :)
The tea cup really sold that British accent.
A wonderbar vlog. Grazie!
I'm pretty sure I won't fall into catatonic if you proceed with the behind-the-curtains stories! Bring up the dirty stuff!
The Eurofighter is a darling, just like the Tornado before him, so on with the show!
A splendid break from anything F-35.
I´m german and your portrayal of a german is on point :)
kettle and all? hahaha
Please make video on Indian AESA radar Uttam, which also has a GaN version under developement
Do "near space" [US term for 65K feet altitude] balloons have names? Gonna need an emergency video on these aircraft(?)...
Actually; This plane deserves three or four episodes.
I - Diplomatic part (Man, it is fun. Admit it!).
II- Economics (Would be a text book episode about military projects, really.)
III - EF-2000 ( Between 2003-2023)
IV- EF-2020 (2023-FUTURE)
This is a seriously capable platform. Think about it, EF- has SUPER CRUISE CAPABLE, while F-35 recommended to fly Subsonic!
First modern (I don't accept it as a 4th or 4.5th Gen. It is more capable than all those) airplane that has towed decoy, counter EW suite. and other list of tech (hud integrated helmet, IRST, Meteor...).
Since there are some countries out there which will not touch F-35 tech anytime soon (Türkiye, Qatar, Egypt, Oman, KSA, UAE) EF-2020 still has great market potential.
Good luck flying supersonic in contested airspace and getting you unstealthy ass ripped apart by a heat seeking SAM.
@@laracroft938 have you ever heard a word called "energy" before ?
And yet rafale sells better
About supercruise i d like to know if it had combat payload
@@lat78610 of course, France as the only producer of the thing has less export prodecures. Up to four times less.
Still, not much about the performance of the plane, but other issues.
thats awesome. looking forward to take to study
Bureaucracy and politics already more or less killed the european military aviation industry. Only France and Sweden are still getting things done, since they do it on their own. Some say the Eurofighter is already old tech, while I do not agree, we are long overdue for a 5th or 6th generation fighter but it is all just talks, expensive talks. By the time Germany will receive its first F-35's the US will already have some 6th generation fighters I guess.
I am not even a fan of national programs, because those cost more money than many EU states can provide for but at the moment politics and bureaucracy are hindering any real progress and Russia is already making a huge mess and Chinas leadership is very concerning too.
Angelo. As if Russia is the reason for continued new aircraft!
By the time the Typhoon entered service it was obsolete the US had already flown 4 5th gen fighter prototypes and the F-22 Raptor entered service just 5 years after Typhoon and the french Rafale is dominating the export market.
@@sean70729As of their respective latest blocks, Rafale and EF are very close to the US 5th gen short of stealth. Europe doesn’t have the deep economic & industry base of the US. As a compromise, they developed 4.5 gen that suits their needs and kept their industry alive. Well done to them. Now they are ready to leap to 6th gen.
Neither France nor Sweden have fully upgraded their forces with their own most modern fighters.
@@fatdaddy1996 Not Russia itself but the realisation, that the world is still a hostile place should be enough to push domestic developments, at least if one is not interested in just buying military equipment from other countries.
#Defense doctrines you talk about them a lot, I love to hear your judgments about each defense doctrines, for example how they did and influenced the geopolitics? Sir, that would be amazing to hear your analysis on this subject matter
It is more usually the other way around, in the UK at least. The military follows a fully thought-through process, converting their doctrines (often derived from the NATO master plan) into operational requirements and equipment specifications, then some half-a**e defence minister comes along and says that the government's political strategy means that all their ideas are defunct, so they start again, only for the defence minister to be replaced two years later and for the whole cycle to start again. Defence equipment is supplied in spite of governments, not because of them - if you think I am being cynical, look at the procurement history for the D-class ships and then the carriers, and remember that what is in the public domain is less than half of what actually went on.
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Spitfire 2 sounds excellent….maybe someone will use it…like Mustang 2….or Raptor 2….:)
Looking forward to it.
👍👍 Looking forward !
Looking forward to this series! Ive always been of the opinion that the Euro Fighter and the Rafale are two of the most under rated aircraft.
If there was any objection from the German side to naming it Typhoon, then I am pretty sure it had nothing to do with a WW2 fighter having the same name. If anything, it just was "too British" for them, not because they had something against British stuff in general, but because they wanted to avoid the perception that after putting all this RND into it, they were just buying a British aircraft.
Tornado is a word that is common in the German language too, Typhoon not so much.
I found this story in one of the sources...maybe it wasn't correct. It is not exactly one of the things you write a paper on, I agree.
Excellent graphics too young man.
I became bold working on Typhoon Development over the last 20 or so years😢. Killed my self watching you drink a cup of tea…Could you just do a video of how you made your tea, us Brits take that seriously 😂
Great Video love the humour
The discussion about whether to pour the milk before or after the tea should take up about four episodes !
Yay 😃. Eurofighter!
Your title needs an article!
It would seem that this aircraft is far from the expectations of certain user countries such as Austria.
It seems inferior to the Rafale apart from the speed and the maximum operational ceiling.
No flight in super cruise, a huge radar surface, very easy infrared tracking and at huge distances, contested radar and a very relative, if not catastrophic, availability.
Being only a fan and absolutely not an expert these are the "noises" that I could hear and I do not wish to offend anyone.
It can have a bigger AESA radar than the Rafale. While all fanbois are difficult to argue with, French Rafale fans are the most difficult. Every fan of any aircraft likes to quote future capabilities as if they exist now and to criticise past failings of the alternative. European aircraft are quite good lets say but they perhaps don't have the same amount spent on all the supporting things, weapon integrations etc, that the Americans can afford. Also it depends very much on what you prize most as to which aircraft "wins" and I think this is the most difficult thing of all because a situation like Ukraine turns up and teaches you that what you thought was going to happen doesn't. i.e perhaps flexibility is the best feature of all.
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Hello Tim;
In your opinion, when you talk about "flexibility", which plane has the most or has the possibility to go up the range the most? The one that was developed and thought of as an interceptor or the one that from the beginning was thought of as an omni-role aircraft?
Now know which is the best, just look at the results of training exercises between nations, during red flag for example, the results are in my humble opinion quite eloquent.
But does knowing which one is the best really matter? aren't the users of the two planes allies? And aren't the weaknesses of one compensated for by the other?
@@olivierpuyou3621 I think they are both inflexible. It's too expensive to add capabilities and they are both too expensive and too heavily optimised.
At what point, if ever, will you understand that the two aircraft were built to VERY different requirement specifications ? The four partners in the Typhoon are all happy because they each have an aircraft that exceeds by some distance what was expected of it, in all areas of assessment. France is happy because it has an aircraft which suits its specific requirements, especially the naval capability.
@@olivierpuyou3621 Please, find an ex-French air force pilot and have him explain to you how red flag exercises work. They are NEVER competitions between aircraft, they are exercises designed to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of one or both aircraft. If you do not know this, you should refrain from commenting on such matters, because you are only making yourself look foolish.
So, in the end, will there be 36 episodes on the plane and 1 on the politics?
I don't mind to see 36 episodes 😁
I wonder why the Typhoon and, before It, the Tornado, were conceived as so small in comparison with equivalent aircrafts in US. History teach that real versatility comes with large dimensions.
@ Andrea Bindolini. Not quite. Anyway, the likes of Tomcat and Hornet are designed for naval operations and such are much larger to accomodate Larger engines, fuel systems for carrier based long range CAP. The F15 as another example, is also a much older design aircraft which also has much larger engines. The U.S developed the F22 programme to replace the F15 fleet while maintaining the adage that a larger aicraft would be more suited for the United states to operate due to the expanse of flight ops over mainland U.S. The Typhoon on the other hand is light, affordable and designed for the European theatre where concerns over long rang flights are not so much of an issue. (in flight- refuelling can still be conducted) also the Eurojet engines are better suited for their designed purpose, just like American aircraft designed for a similar role.
The F16 proves the opposite. Yes a larger aircraft could in theory carry even more weapons or has greater range. But it also means you need the infrastructure to support it.
@@shi01 Correct sir.
@@shi01The F-16 proves exactly my point. It Is a multi role aircraft, but still a complement for larger platforms. When USAF had to choose between F-15E and F-16XL, had no doubts. A larger platform Is inherently more versatile. One of the criticism about the F-35 Is that Is too small. In the Gulf War, the Tornado small dimensions were a problem.
@@cgh1060 considerations about the european theatre are correct. Still, the Tornado turned out a bit small for the needs. I also think that the size of the european aircrafts was at least partially dictated by the engines.
Is it okay that I like the AI character even more than the host? 😁
It's a triumph of engineering over politics and management.
kindly make a video about JF-17 thunder
Sorry I am late for the class sensei, faulty vpn and iranian Internet is such an impossible combination, that story sounds very familiar to the new 6th gen, isn't it? The thing between me and Eurofighter is, the first time I translated an article for my English class project back in junior high, it was about the gun in the Eurofighter and how it was good it wasn't ejecting the empty cases...
You like koobideh?
@@goodputin4324 is that a supposed ice breaker or a case of poor sarcasm? Cause words alone don't relay much...
I have a slight problem with the video. And I'll be quite blunt. As a kid I watched EAP fly. Given the last plane like it was Lightning (All british plane) - it was quite a thing to see BAe bring that out, even if it had a Tornado tail and used the RB199s.
After the cold war defense crash and 2%, I watched as Europe wanted, tried and almost got its way in killing the program. 'The Russians are gone' - and the Brits kept it afloat by buying it when others didn't.
The Centurion project was largely driven by the brits, and some other advancements were driven by export models. The sad truth is 'europe' doesn't have a great record in supporting the Eurofighter.
Only my opinion, but - I think development costs are so high for new aircraft, that you have to assess the platforms you have.
Are they within competitive bounds of envelope (Mach 2, climb to height, range)?
Are they developmental in nature - can the platform actually host new tech. Does it have electrical and cooling.
Can it take new radar, missiles, platforms?
The Eurofighter should be developed further. I am very doubtful tempest will be a better platform.
Late era Typhoons and a very solid, well rounded platform.
And I suspect avail rates make the F35 look stupid. Which it is.
Availability rates are going to be low for all fully stealthy fighters because of the time with gap filling. Repairs to stealth surface materials is also time consuming but might eventually improve with newer materials. The gap filling will remain an issue, unless you sacrifice some significant stealth capabilities.
I'll be stunned if the Tempest ever actually gets built... I just don't trust Westmonster to not kill it on cost grounds.
@@FallenPhoenix86 Its already morphed into an 'international' programme where a game of who can we get to pay and do a bunch of workshare - is front and centre. The 'all new British programme' that gathers british industry and formulates the first new british aircraft in X is deader than dead.
In looking at its design, Starting with wing loading, and small tailfins, without large redesign I am very doubtful its flight env will even be competitive with a Eurofighter.
Probably some argument about 9G platforms dead in BVR Stealth world will rage on.
The US is now actively looking for an F16 replacement, because it no longer believes in a fully stealth future, and you need a capable, numerous force, not an invisible one stuck on the ground fighting ALIS for 18 months parts.
@@stupidburp While there isn't an argument in the higher main hours for stealth, generally that's not the cause of planes being grounded. ALIS, and its replacement, shared programme with thousands of suppliers, dire production tranche issues, lack of parts, engine issues all lead to a plane with terrible avail rates. And that's before we get into the ongoing number of significant problems the program still has that are not resolved.
(I make for clarity a comment. I hate the F35 program.) In IT we have a background consideration in that if you deploy a monoculture, you can get into a terrible place if that is shit. Monocultures have inherent weaknesses, but offer certain pros as well. But the pro's must outweigh the weaknesses. In chosing F35, NATO and allies have selected a bad monoculture, and in doing so, they have thrown a lot of other plane companies to the wolves. Sadly its a repeat of what happened to the British aero industry when the money dried up and they walked down the same monoculture idea.
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Oh, I realise its branched out to include UK, Sweden, Italy, Japan etc... I'll still be stunned if it results in any actual hardware.
Wonderful
Mainly down to the Germans trying continually to dumb down or pull out , which is why in my opinion, the French are welcome to partnering with Germans over 6th gen. I wish the French “ Bon Chance”, they will need it!!
Hhah i love to see english speaking people try to replicate the german accent
37 episodes ? sounds like a bargain 🙂
Its no suprise that War Thunder sponsor you while their community is keep sending them with Military classified document in their official public forum about their vehicle combat such as the Challenger 2's Fire control system, T-90 Armor, Leclerc turret traverse, F-16 Data link, ZTZ 99A Round and the F-15 info(Even its not in the game yet) just to make it accurate as in real life in the game(Because the game is trying to advertise their self as realistic combat game while using Public information as their data rather than the real Classified data of the actual weapons).
Lol what a ironic Sponsor you got there.
When l first watched this channel l thought it was a Russian sympathetic, l was wrong.
Congratulations on a leading aircraft critiquing channel.
It’s the ugliest of this generation’s canard-deltas.
That also needs to be said, I guess.
1. Rafale
2. Gripen
3. Typhoon
So why not just buy the F-15?
finally war thunder came😀
Who are your british and german friends?
Hope we'll see them again!
So to sum it up the Eurofighter is a train wreck that 360 no-scope to a perfect landing... Welp at least its development still has a better love story than twilight.
Junk; it has no thrust. Leaving aside that it is 4th gen fighter in a 5th gen era. Everybody is buying F-35s.
F35 is not a 5th gen fighter( no supercruise); it.s a stealth fighter
Gen marketing nonsense needs to go. Capabilities are what is relevant snd there is no single configuration for all purposes. Boiling down to a number is just for marketing
If you think that countries are buying F35s because of their capabilities, then you are more ignorant than you realise.
A very very good aircraft !
Not really, but anyway…
The Eurofighter is still the Mona Lisa of the aircraft world. Not only in beauty, but sheer strength. Absolutely a joy to look at. ❤❤❤
I love how detailed the information you present is. You clearly are technically superior in your content and you talk about fascinating subjects. My only issue though, your pronunciation, inflection and grammar is extremely difficult to understand. Even with subtitles i have a terrible time understanding you. Im a native english speaker and i find it almost impossible to understand most of your sentences because you pronounce a word wrong or get the inflection of, say a comma, totally twisted
Noted. I know it is a problem...
@@Millennium7HistoryTech i still plan to watch every video of yours. Keep up the amazing, detailed work
Sounds like the Leopard 2 - which is still not up to the task, it was procured for before being replace by an announced KF51 Panther...
Expect similar announcements after the German GDP begins to shrink due to increased energy prices and declining exports.
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The project could not succed, because French and British egos cannot fit in a same room.
*cough* sepecat jaguar, concorde *cough*
The joke is that in this case they had two different requirements.
@@emanuelfigueroa5657 well english wanted a pure interdiction fighter, and France wanted a multirole. Rafale is pure multirole, and EF is an interdiction fighter retrofitted for multirole purpose, making it way worse.
Why your German sounds like French 😂
😳 really?
For the same reason Sean Connery sounded like (Sean Connery) in everything...
Don't use his War Thunder link use mine instead
at 7 minutes, stand up show, got my vote ..LOL, thumbs up all the way ''typhoon it is'' 😆
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
is the father of both Rafale and Eurofighter, with a similar interlocking makers-ownership network behind it.