Rolex Submariner vs Omega Seamaster Diver 300M Comparison & A Curated Collection of Preowned Watches
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Rolex vs Omega is a classic luxury watch rivalry, and the best battle in sports horology rages today on “Weekend Watches!” Tim Mosso’s curated luxury watch gallery directs its attention to the latest Rolex Submariner and Omega Seamaster Diver 300M. This Saturday morning showdown between the biggest names in dive watches comes courtesy of WatchBox’s world-leading inventory of luxury preowned watches. Beyond the battle royal between Rolex and Omega, today’s show features luxury preowned watches from Audemars Piguet, F.P. Journe, Jaeger LeCoultre, and many more.
The 2020 Rolex Submariner redefined the world’s favorite dive watch without rebooting its most important features. Still recognizable as the milestone sports watch that launched first in 1953, the Rolex Sub witnesses small refinements that add up to a new mode. Now 41mm, the Submariner gains slightly in size and significantly in power reserve, which rises from 48 hours to 70 hours. At the tips of its case, the Submariner 126610LN receives a modest redesign for greater lug taper and a finer match between lug width and bracelet end link breadth.
The Omega Seamaster Diver 300M received a comprehensive redesign for 2018, but it remains competitive with the best watches in the dive watch class. At 42mm, this Seamaster Professional is close in size to its Rolex rival, but the feel on the wrist is of a far larger - and bulkier -- watch. However, technical innovations including a silicon hairspring, co-axial escapement, helium escape valve, and METAS chronometer certification offer exclusive advantages that Rolex can’t match. Moreover, Omega’s bracelet feels more solid and secure on the wrist than the latest version of Rolex’s Oyster bracelet.
Additional preowned watches on this show include the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Chronograph in full yellow gold, an Audemars Piguet Jules Audemars Perpetual Calendar in platinum, two platinum watches from F.P. Journe, and a set of show-stopping stainless steel burgundy dial Moser watches from limited edition runs of 15-50 pieces.
• 32:38 Audemars Piguet Jules Audemars Quantieme Perpetuel 30th Anniversary
o 26000PT.OO.D028CR.01
o platinum, blue dial, 90-piece limited edition
• 25:39 Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore 26470BA.OO.1000BA.01 $94,900
o 18-karat yellow gold case and bracelet: blue dial
• 22:11 De Bethune DB25 Moonphase Starry Sky DB25LWS3V2 white gold, blue dial $64,950
• 30:53 F.P. Journe Quantimeme Perpetuel (42mm, platinum, white gold dial)
o Email tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing
• 27:58 F.P. Journe Linesport Octa Sport 44mm, platinum, blue mauve dial
o Email tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing
• 06:16 Girard Perregaux Laureato Skeleton 81015-11-001-11A $21,950
o skeleton dial, stainless steel case and bracelet
• 19:31 H. Moser & Cie X MB&F Endeavour Cylindrical Tourbillon 1810-1201 $99,950
o Stainless steel, burgundy dial, flying tourbillon with cylindrical hairspring
o Email tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing
• 17:16 H. Moser & Cie Pioneer Perpetual Calendar Month Date 3808-1200 steel, burgundy dial
o Email tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing
o 50-piece limited edition
• 15:54 Jaeger LeCoultre Duometre a Chronographe Boutique Edition Q601649J $42,950
o platinum, white dial, chronograph with power reserve indicators
• 13:27 Jaeger LeCoultre Duometre a Chronographe Q6011420 yellow gold, eggshell dial $24,950
• 01:30 Omega Seamaster Diver 300M 210.30.42.20.01.001 black dial, full bracelet $4,550
• 03:31 Rolex Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date 126610LN $14,950
• 09:11 Ulysse Nardin Freak Blue Cruiser 2050-131/03 blue dial, white gold $47,950
• 35:52 Urwerk EMC Stainless Steel, electro-magnetic control, power reserve $59,950
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You know, for a watch that's so damn hard to get, I see a lot of Submariners; mostly worn by people who go for the brand rather than the product. It's a great watch, but not "$9000" great. The Seamaster, on the other hand, is excellent value for the money.
In London the Submariner is indeed a popular watch to be found on the wrists of various types of ppl. Most of these must have been bought on the secondary market above retail. I don't understand why.
It's like Bill Hicks and non - smokers. You'd like to own a Submariner... But you wouldn't ever want to become a Submariner owner.
The Omega Seamaster over the Rolex Sub everyday, all day.... no comparison especially when it comes to price and the movement! I have a Seamaster and have tried on two Subs at the AD both two tone cause they make all steel hard to get.... I tried on the Seamaster at the AD to look at the size and walked out with that wooden box and ⌚:). I own Rolexes' but not awed by them ... I view several other brands as better quality for the money 💰.
I would get that GP in a heartbeat.... It checks the blocks if you want a RO, Nautilus or Overseas....and it's about half the money 💰.
One is made for people to go diving, one is made for people to go on instagram.
The omega Power reserve is 55 hours, not 60, and it is not 2mm thicker than the rolex. Rolex is 12.5mm thick, and the Omega is 13.6mm thick.
Wait, did Tim say that the Urwerk has a Flux Capacitor?! Great Scott!
No brand holds my heart like JLC. Those Chronos are both incredible and the price seems like a steal for both of them.
The Jaeger LeCoultre Duometre a Chronographe in yellow gold is a steal at $24000, it is stunning and a work of art, the movement, the case, the dial all amazing.
Wearing that Moser tourbillon upside down and setting the time “inverse” would be really confusing at best. The hour hand would hit the hour markers while the minute hand hit the “inverted” 30
The Seamaster 300M is almost a perfect watch for the price. However, the bracelet is not in the same league of the oyster. The difference in price between the Seamaster and the Submariner doesn't make any sense. If money and and availability are not an issue, I still would go for the Submariner.
I own both of these watches exactly, and prefer the taper and size of the oyster bracelet, but the clasp on the Omega is far superior. I understand that both feature tool free micro adjustments, but the Omega's system allows for easy adjustment without taking the watch off the wrist. The oysters glide lock system while very nice, requires both hands to function. If it's hot out, and my wrist is swelling, having to take the Rolex completely off the wrist is a nuisance, and honestly opens up to the risk of dropping it. In most cases, I prefer the oysters size and wear ability, but Omega wins hands down on clasp function and design.
@@erikkalifornia5182 I have heard that. It is unbelievable that Rolex doesn't offer micro adjustment across all their lineups . Although I love Omega's watches, I have never liked their bracelets. All my Omegas are on rubber or nato straps. Pricey but worth every penny. 🙂.
@@hugohernandez3651 yeah too each their own. I love my seamaster 300m on the bracelet. Luckily there are plenty of nato and rubber options available 👍
@@hugohernandez3651 my speedmaster racing bracelet for example tapers and has tool free micro adjustment. Pretty great
Omega seamster all day.
Great show. Thanks Tim and team
That JLC! Blimey! Absolutely fantastic episode! THIS IS SOME BIG BOI SHIT!
@25:30 The gold Royal Oak coming right after the DB25 was a horological joke.
Wow, heavy hitting episode! 🔥🔥🔥
Has the price of the Seamaster increased by £1000 within 2 years?
Wow! Tim on full auto. Nobody does these fast moving reviews as well. ❤️
F.P. Journe movements aren't 100% manually finished? Did not know that.
According to Rolex website Parachrom hairspring that they use is also insensitive to magnetic fields so I don't understand how the silicone hairspring is considered an advantage in the Submariner vs Seamaster.
I'm a fan of the Seamaster. Saving to for the rubber strap 8800 Seamaster 300 at the moment.
Not a fan of this GP skeleton abomination though, sorry
I'm freaking out over the Freak !
Beautiful watch....but sooo expensive.
It's a watch you're glad has been made, but wouldn't ever want to actually have or use...
Wow that GP Skeleton is very, very attractive.
That moser x mb&f piece is way too beautiful... the endeavour case with the LM domed crystal 😧😧😧
SMP is a technically perfect watch, aesthetically it has points that can be improved (clasp above all). I have the one with the white dial and if it weren't for economic reasons I would never trade it with the sub.
The clasp on the omega is far superior to the oyster clasp. Granted if the bracelet tapered from 20mm to 18 or even 16 it would be better. But the push button slide on the omega clasp is far superior to the glide lock. To me, it's a huge bonus that the push button clasp on Omega's bracelet, can be operated easily while on the wrist, while the Rolex requires you to remove the watch so you can use both hands to adjust. Those adjustments are also harder to make, where it's super easy on the Omega. I own both, so I speak from experience using them.
That FP Journe LineSport is gorgeous. Also liked the last watch by Urwerk.
Spectacular show! I loved these few minutes of escape from my hotel room! Oh yeah, what’s my hotel room number? 5711 of course!
it's kind of pointless to compare the Rolex sub retail price with the Omega sea. Since you can't buy a Rolex sub at retail unless you've spent a LOT more already
Wow that Urwerk reminds me of starting up a cement mixer, with the crank handle. Brilliant. Who wouldn't want to do that in a room full of people. Those JLCs are beautiful, frontwards, backwards, and sideways. Love them also. Good show Tim
$10,000 difference in price between the Omega and Rolex... wao
RIGHT?! Freaking craaaaazy
Wish the omega kept the 41mm dimensions or even went for 40mm case. The dial size difference tilts it to the rolex.
The dimensions in the 90’s was perfect. 41mm truly is the way to go. Hope they keep the same design moving forward but thin the watch out, make it 41mm, and redesign the bracelet
Love the db25
As someone who has has previous incarnations of both watches, it’s only now seeing them side by side that the Submariner really looks quite flat in comparison to the Seamaster. Makes you wonder why you’d pay the extra four grand just because the hour markers are made of white gold on the Rolex. 🤷🏻♂️
JLC.
Holy moly.
My thoughts exactly!
Agreed. What a magnificent piece
I’ve got the Seamaster 300 in two tone yellow gold on a black rubber strap and it’s amazing, finishing is flawless, amazing weight to it, bezel feels great, and makes you feel proud... the most important part 😎
The omega is an excellent everyday watch so versatile and great Accuracy.
I love my Seamaster, but that scalloped bezel is harder to rotate with my bigger fingers than I had ever anticipated. And, anytime I wear it, it’s still a 121clickbezel...lol. Always a little off.
Nice. I always thought it was just Seiko that had misaligned bezels, lol
Tim, you da man. Another awesome show. 😎😎
Concerning Lume: the omega cannot be used at night after some hours in the dark as the hands lose the lume effect at the thin sides of the skeleton hands and then you start guessing what are these dots close to the indeces. May be James Bond has better eyes. This a clear mal function, same effect with the Omega Aqua Terras (only Lume at the top of the minute hand (why???). Omega Planet Ocean only has Lume which fits the purpose. Don't get me wrong: Seamaster and Aqua Terra are wonderful watches but this unprofessional lume thing would not happen to Rolex.
Do you own the SMP? It's true the lume on the sides of the skeleton hands becomes difficult to read after a few hours, but there are huge lume applications at the end of the hands. There are no issues with legibility at night.
@@erikkalifornia5182 Thanks for your comment. Might be my eyes are meanwhile not so good :) I checked this with SMP and Aqua Terra from my friends and they agreed - quickly reading the time at night by just having a glance at the dial is not possible for them too compared to a cheap watch like my Swatch(s) with lume applied on the whole hands, the lumed dots of the Omegas are between the indeces or below them so it is time guessing. For a tool watch acutally unacceptable, but anyhow the watches are brilliant looking at daylight - still saving for them until one fine day ....
@@christianebert8086 yeah I don't find myself ever checking the time in the dark honestly. Usually sleeping, so I use my phone, since I don't sleep with a watch on. If you want easy readability at night, timex indiglo is awesome. Ha. Good luck on saving up! Cheers.
Every time I see the black dial SMP 300 I get convinced that’s the one I want...until I see the blue dial version again. It’s a bad cycle hahaha.
I went with the new black dial black bezel 39.5mm planet ocean.
@@barryhearn8627 Ooh that 39.5mm PO is one that I’ve also had my eye on. How are you liking it?
@@eyeheartsushi2212 really nice watch. I struggled for the perfect fit initially and seemed to be between link sizes with the clasp only allowing 3mm of adjustment. You'd think anyone cud get a perfect fit but for some reason i cudnt. I lost some weight and now it fits perfect.
Really eye catching, classy and fresh feeling to wear.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 th-cam.com/video/fT_zPU9TG-g/w-d-xo.html
This is the exact one that i bought and don't regret it. I do like the standard 300m seasmaster but wanted the smaller case size and lug2lug length, plus slightly preferred the bracelet on the PO.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 i bought 4 watches last year all around the same sort of time, just weeks apart. The PO discussed, a white dialled Christopher ward trident, petrol blue yema rallygraf, and a gold plated new old stock vintage tissot moonphase.
My first time seeing a JLC Duometre with the chronometer running, wow! What a gorgeous watch and so much watch for the price. Beautiful piece and great show as always.
When Tim decides to FELEXX 😂
Love both watches.
Quite revealing in the sense that I find that my taste is a little more conservative than I had thought, too much weirdness here for me...
Against all these beautiful watches the Offshore just looks crass. The FP Journes are just breathtaking.
That Urwerks is bonkers! In a good way....
I've got to stop watching these videos, now I've got save up for an Urwerk EMC.
that GP! loving that!
Omega best value for money
That bubble watch is amazinggggg
anyone knows tims wrist width? not circumference
A lot of U.N. watches look insane and I could never wear them, but they have my respect for the balls they have in trying and developing new shit!
if Omega make the same bezel action as rolex, then i see rolex in trouble...
That EMC is a beast!
No upper limit on values. But also a $2 upper limit on introduction materials for the show.
there's something that's been on my mind lately - why does govberg insist on coining these videos "reviews", when they "review" their own stock and the presenter never puts the watches under any sort of scrutiny? mildly deceptive practice, isn't it?
You figured that out, hah? That’s why I unsubscribed. These guys shill whatever they’re trying to sell.
magnificent, Thanks
I want an Omega Seamaster full box n papers Mint condish from the mid 90’s...
That’s the best one. The proportions were perfect.
Crazy stuff.
17 seconds! Couldn't resist clicking
i'm glad stuff like the EMC exists so i can differentiate my good taste with something classic like a Calatrava.
The EMC = next level
Enjoying my morning coffee with some beauties! UN sometimes finds a really iconic design aesthetic and nailed it today! Stay safe Tim, #timmossosunglasses
Great video. On the Pioneer perpetual you really take full advantage of big date innovation by Strehler.
Those old AP rotors are incredible, they should have kept it, at least on the most high end pieces, like on the beautifully hand finished double balance wheel openworked.
Take 300m of rope, go out to sea, attach both watches to the end of the rope... Once you pull it up - check the conditions of both watches. If one of them is flooded - this is where comparison ends. If both are flooded - they are both garbage. If they both work - proceed further with a comparison. Putting 300m on the face is easy.
Would probably help if you understood what the water resistant measurements meant. Both watches are rated 300m, but that doesn't mean you can dive with them at 300 meters deep. 300m just means they are rated for diving.
@@erikkalifornia5182 I understand what 'rated for diving' means - it is actually 200m, not 300. Secondly, writing 100m, 200m, 300m while the watch would leak at this depth is bullshit. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.
@@vrokhlenko Not sure we're talking about the Omega and the Rolex comparison, but they are both 300 meter dive watches. Again, watches use depth ratings in ATM or Meters, and they don't reflect the actual depth the watch can go. So the Omega and Rolex are both 300 meter, or 30ATM dive watches. That doesn't mean you can go to those depths. It is just a standard used for watches, not an actual measurement of depth you can take the watch. So it seems like my presumption of your ignorance was spot on, as you clearly don't understand. Also, no diver would use a watch with a 20atm, 200m rated watch to dive in. Most of the time, watches with 200m water resistant "dive watches" are so named, not for their ability to dive in, but because they look like a steel sports watch typically associated for diving. I would not go diving with my Tudor BB58, though would be more than comfortable swimming with it.
@@erikkalifornia5182 Well, thanks again for telling me something I learned 15 years ago . Unfortunately you seem to fail to understand what i was trying to say but I have a limit on wasting my time. At least now everybody knows you have a Tudor. When you graduate to Patek please update this thread - I promise I will clap
@@vrokhlenko lol. You humor me. Owned a Patek. Got rid of it because I hate the attention it draws. Not worth the risk of putting it on the wrist. Just sold my AP royal oak as well for that matter. Those watches are not worth the hassle. Look forward to your future channel of attaching watches to ropes and pitching them in the ocean. Lol.
Love these videos 👍🏻🇬🇧
How can the back of the GP look better than the dial??
I love the UN Freaks so much. One day I will own a freak.
"Mercedes Style". That's an interesting way to say onion.
Man, I do like the seamaster way more than the rolex, but - boy oh boy - I don‘t like the hands of the seamaster at all.
I like them better than rolex.
Sub > Seamaster
You stole Ironman's Uwerk
Rolex loses. Again.- King Lux 🤴🏾🤳🏾
Jeez what a childish comment 🙄 it all comes down to personal preferences and confirmation biases.
@@omarion07 you gotta relax 😆 He did a 🆚 and I think Onega won. How is that childish? 🤷🏽♂️
The Pepsi vs Coke of watch battles.
No wave dial for me and especially no see thru hands on a Divers watch
Rolex Sub...all day every day
Better value and Submariner is as classy as it gets
😂 It's like bizarro world. 'Value' and 'classy' do not go with the modern Sub.
@@GeorgeFrideric71 yep....total classic and holds better value than any watch, so A do your research....
@@williamstalvey6920 you Rolex fan boys make me laugh. And why do you always say 'do your research'? Do you have a PhD in Horological History? And watch your slippage! 'Classy' is not the same as 'classic'.
@@GeorgeFrideric71 son, I dont have the time to educate every moron I come across that does not know about the Classic Sub and the value it holds...get to work
And hold my beer
Don’t understand why mixing two completely different topics (Omega vs. Rolex with the PO models review) in the same video. They could have perfectly been two independent videos... Nice channel nevertheless, seen some good reviews in here.
EMC = Exclusive Magnificent Computer
Shrink your watches Omega and the Worlds your oyster ( no pun intended!)
Hear! Hear!
@@fadiinspaceits not just me then!
@@stevesmith7997 perhaps a petition is in order
@@fadiinspace if i thought they would take any notice of a old watch collector! To old for the focus groups they employ ( and probably ignore!) Shame because it a common theme.
DuoDuoMetreMetre FTW -- got me seeing Duo.
I know it's no biggy, but the Seamaster had a bit of stuff on it. Dust or whatever. Distracting.
Unfair comparison for Ω. Ωs should be compared with Tudor, not Rolex.
More than a match for the sub on many counts.
@@craigrees7939 the market doesn’t agree with you. Check out the price appreciation of the sub over the last 20 years. On the contrary, if I visit an Ω AP I will probably get a 35% discount.
@@kautilya21For the market to be any sort of reflection of merit would require consumers of luxury products to be impervious to marketing.
I agree, the submariner is much more expensive but it's simply a better watch than the Omega. Just sliding the bezel on both watches you can see easily with one is built better.
@@kautilya21 the market doesn’t matter. There are all kinds of stories floating around about ADs holding back stock for high rollers because Rolex holds back stock from the AD creating this inflated price aftermarket. If Rolex didn’t have the type of practices it does, you could walk into a boutique and find one in the display like you can for Omega.
That Seamaster has to be one of the ugliest watches ever made! Nasty Bezel, He and skeleton hands. The bracelet has to be the trashiest of all time, with no tapering and that disguising design. These guys compare it to Sub just to give it some recognition but theres no comparison period! Breitling Superocean Heritage 2 is more comparable than that Grandad watch
SM300P > Sub.... plus you get to keep $5K and get a Speedy > Daytona.
WOW I've never known anyone to Troll a watch before 🤣🤣🤣
Way too fast for me
Another episode of the De Bethune show...
Can somebody please tell me, why no other watch company other than Rolex seems to be able to get that perfect bezel action? Did they patent that as well?
It makes you wonder , right?
Blancpain is probably just as good
@@GeorgeFrideric71 You are right there.
@@gmshadowtraders I don't know that from experience... But Tim has said so, and I trust in Tim.
@@GeorgeFrideric71 I recall now seeing a Blancpain diver on the show, and the bezel action was extremely good and crisp. Tim indeed said it was as good, if not the best. So much information it can be hard to keep up sometimes.
Good morning watch fanatics!