Edge Retention Test! - Ganzo G727M 440C vs Ontario Rat 1 AUS-8 Steel (part-2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- also look for part 3!
Part 2- Ganzo G727 440C, V edge with 19.5° per side angle, 1500 grit diamond stone, stropped with 4 micron cubic boron nitride emulsion.
We picked up some new cutting material, some 1/2in thick sisal rope, that should prove to be very hard on knife edges as well as easier to manage a measured amount of cutting. (similar to jdavis882's old cutting tests) We have before and after looks at the edges under microscopic magnification and put each knife to the test of cutting 8' sections of sisal rope into 1in sections.
This is not really a test of which knife is better, nor is this all that scientific but it should give us a good idea of each steel performs when subjected to roughly the same test with roughly the same edge geometry. This will also be Frankie and I's first test of the Ganzo 440C steel which should have decent edge retention and at least in that sense outperform the AUS-8 steel.
***Spoiler Notes***
In terms of edge retention, the Ganzo 440C performed superior and held a respectable edge after the same cut tests. I believe to maintain an edge like this would be much easier with just simple stropping to smooth over microscopic irregularities. The AUS8 steel with its rolling and deformation cannot be repaired with a simple strop and would need a resharpen more often. This goes along with the relative ease the Rat had to sharpen, it was a quick job to get it shaving sharp. Not as much with the Ganzo. Still, I would rather spend a little longer in a sharpening session and hold that edge for longer.
All things considered, we both prefer the Ganzo G727 (aka Rat Fink)
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Thanks for the video. This is the first REAL cut test I've seen with a Ganzo. I bought the G729. It's awesome. My Griptilan is now a safe queen. For an EDC knife the Ganzo rocks !
We agree, thanks for watching!
No surprise the 440c held up better and goes to show that Ganzo's are amazing value for money. I'm happy with the result as I have a Rat Fink in green on it's way from Gear Best 👍 Don't tell the wife but I also have a G734 coming with it , well it would of been wrong not too 😉.
You guys should have thousands of subs, you're channel rock's 👊👍
Hope you can find the time to do some more testing soon.
Atb.
We really appreciate that Jeff! The Rat Fink is a very worthy knife, we will end up with another one or two lol
Ganzo is like the Lays potato chips of knives. You can't own only one!
Bloody brilliant job you two, thanks for you're work guys.
thanks for watching!
Wow, never would have guessed it on this one. Guess I'm buying that Ganzo knife.
Just canceled my Rat 1 for my new Ganzo! Got it for cheaper too! Thank you!
lol thanks for watching!
I totally enjoy the in-depth testing and info provided on the Ganzo 440c. I recently acquired one, and was thinking the exact same thing about their retention, since I own a Rat 1 also and know how it performs. Keep up the content you two!
thank you for the support!
I got my First Ganzo Friday in the mail- I like it so far-It's a G729-I really enjoy yalls videos-Thanks
We came close to testing the 729 for this, very good knife. Thanks for watching!
I have that knife it's great... Axis lock is a little too tight trying to work it in. If not I'll talk it apart and work the springs a little.
At last, the scientific proof is there.... Great job Bird & Frankie. Thanks for that. The magnified edge after the test really surprised me. I expected it to be better then the Rat but such a nice clean edge after all that abresive cutting.... Wow!
And of course, already excited for the follow up...
+KnifeCollector031 The Netherlands (Messenhobby) We really appreciate the feedback, thank you!
440C is an amazing steel, I spent hours reading Jay Fishers site and he makes alot of 440C knifes and has a wealth of info about 440C, Its difficult to work with but it really is a superior steel, especially for corrosion resistance.
I wouldnt call 440c as superior for its corrosion resistance... Its rusting pretty fast, way faster than for example Sandvik used in morakniv knifes
That how ended my ganzo g727 after year of EDC imgur.com/gallery/3623Wi6
440c is ok corrosion resistance but less than good kitchen steel. I wipe my 440c after any mess.
That was excellent and is good to know Ganzo's 440c is done right since I have a few lol. Thanks for showing this!
thanks for watching!
one day I randomly ran across yalls channel and I will have to say I really love yalls content yall give the truth and don't hide it
and my ganzo I have that same blade but mine is.... 17° on both sides 34° inclusive if I'm right. I finished it with a 3000 grit stone then went to my 0.25 diamond spray
+Jacob Young We really appreciate the kind words! 3000 grit should be a very "mirror" polish, I bet that sucker cuts nicely!
+BirdShot IV hair whittling
This is a good test series, but I'd love to see more precision in how you measure the tests. The number of cuts differed a lot between the RAT-1 and the G727M when the paper was tested. I'm a big fan of the channel!
we appreciate that! lol it is tough to do a true scientific test when it comes to this stuff. as far as the paper goes, the number of cuts doesn't matter because we are simply trying to see if the edge retained it's ability to slice.
Yep, I knew it! I have Ganzo G727M in black and love it.
thanks mister smith!
Awesome test on the ganzo. would love to see a edge retention test on food preparation like filleting fish, cutting meat with bone, veggies and fruits.
The rat vs the rat bastard!!! Thanks for the video, you guys are cool
ha! rat bastard is good too. Thanks for watching!
damn i have to comment again after watching the 3 videos, thanks for this stuff guys, we really appreciate this way of testing and those close ups are magnific . ganzo team ftw
we really appreciate you watching and commenting!
This is the first actual testing I have seen of a ganzo vs name brand. I own both these knives in the video and while I can’t judge the Rat-1 edge retention because I don’t use it much, the steel on the Ganzo has surprised me. It is actually my everyday work carry knife. I use it hard and was expecting to have to replace it in a year or so like most cheaper knives but it has held up. In fact, I like it more than the Rat-1 and think it’s a better knife in every way.
I luv Ganzo and 440C!
👍's up and enjoyed. That edge held up Very good. Makes me wonder about these super steels. But also a lot said about you and your wife on the edges your getting. Keep them coming. And may the blessings of the Lord be upon you all.
+Randy Parker Yep, we want to try the non-powdered steels for a while but we plan to move on to some of the super steels in the future. Thanks for the kind words!
this test is an eye opener on the steel Ganzo uses awesome retention on rope.
I'm thinking a little of two things: the Ganzo steel held up a little better than we expected and perhaps the Rat steel deformed quicker than expected.
Good stuff. Looking forward to part 3
+mikedifeo thank you mike!
Thanks guys for an very honest comparison. I'm going with your rating.
thanks for watching!
Rat 1 knives blades are now upgraded to D2 steel. for sale on some knife shops not yet on Amazon.
since this video we have acquired one with Orange scales. D2 should easily outperform 440C but thats theory
Very nice video was surprised how well the blade held up
+Turtle Bushcraft thanks for watching!
Good job frankie 👍🏻✌🏻😁😀
This is some really good stuff, especially under the microscope. Please be the new Jdavis Birdshot
haha we appreciate that, jdavis had some great content for sure
I'd like to see you guys make cutting tests like this again 😉
Hey guys. I posted to you 5 years ago that I had the Ganzo G727M in black. It was great but I no longer have it.
All my knives now are of way better blade steels except one.
I bought a CRKT M16-04S with AUS 8 blade steel. The knife is great but the blade steel is garbage.
Thanks for all your videos 👍 ⚔️ ✝️ 🇺🇲
I have each of these knives and like them both. Both perform well in everyday use. I favor the RAT1 slightly because the longer handle fits my XL paws better. I have been on a Ganzo buying binge of late however.
lol I definitely understand the Ganzo buying binge! thanks for watching!
I'm retired now and I'm more into collecting blades rather then using the tool. The benefit is aus-8and 440c are just fine.Keeping costs down :)
this is true!
Part 3 here.th-cam.com/video/yuPFlw8OTH4/w-d-xo.html
Can you give a quick summary for those of us who can't watch 45 minutes of video?
The Ganzo holds an edge better.
No surprise. My experience says that, if it's proper heat treated, the 440 C steel is really good, has nothing to envy to VG-10 or 154CM and the AUS 8 A has always been a crap one. My doubt was if Chinese would get a good heat treatment paying attention to the procedure and not only to a cheap price by saving time.
For $10.00 more , just buy the D2 Rat 1, although the D2 steel on he Rat is a litte on the soft side .
very cool vid. keep it up. love this kinda content. I have a g738 and its a rockstar too.
Atb
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+Jay Lane thanks Jay!
Yw
I love my Ganzo G727M 440C. really good for money
I am so excited by the results you have. I am wondering, do you have one of the RAT's that has D2 steel, that is an old classic semi premium tool steel for knives. I would like to see what would happen with that or some other steel. With the amounts of cuts you are doing it is a somewhat scientific test - the results do mean something.
+CanadianCuttingEdge we appreciate that! No D2 knives believe it or not
Two weeks ago I found a sale on the RAT1 with D2 for $32USD at knifeworks DOT com, so I jumped on it and got two, and only had to add $15 shipping to Canada, I can hardly wait for them to arrive. I just checked they still have some in stock if your viewers or yourself are interested.
Duuudes! Because of you and Advanced Knuf Bro I ventured and bought a Ganzo in 440c! Crazy right! I wonder what my Italo Viper M390 will think of me now.... 😝😄
gotta have at least 1 Ganzo!
Bought both the 727m and the smaller 727s because of this review. My wallet hates you guys.
Great video, and a great channel. Subscribed :D
we appreciate that!
great vid!
Thanks next knife I get👍🏼
I can definitely say it's money well spent, thanks for watching!
great stuff guys!!!😎
+DJ .45acp Thanks for watching DJ!
"Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!"
+EcchiSpud that is very appropriate here!
All knives will vary ,2 identical knives same steel ,heat treated on different batches will vary in edge retention. A great steel with poor heat treat will be worse than a cheap steel with a good heat treat looks like you got a keeper
First knife was dragged sideways many time on the wood which affecting the edge s lot. So test is not very good. But it seems that 440C is better anyway.
Frankie reminds me of the band camp girl from american pie.
+Snipes 32 lol I love her! I always catch myself ....this one time ...(I never went to band camp) but it is in her tone! - Frankie
BirdShot IV ...I agree.lol
I love this knife
The rat fink is not bad.. Will it cut bug out lotion? lol
+Shiny Knife lol bug out lotion IS a thing!
Where can I get a bad ass sharping set like that ?
surprisingly the ganzo out performed the rat 1. I'm shocked wow.
+Gary Ritter 440C is a good steel, it's surprising you can get such a good knife for the money.
rat fink ordered... $10.19 lovin' it
nice deal!
Which on-line shop? With another words, where have they the best prices on Ganzo knives?
It was a "flash" sale on Gearbest... couldn't pass it up!
If you use the knife to scrape the cut piece of rope off the cutting board, then the edge will roll over. That seems to be what happened to the AUS8 RAT.
I don't agree the edge should roll over from scraping across wood. It's a much larger force on the edge pressing down into the abrasive rope strands
Can you try it? Should be easy to check.
seems fishy whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get it if your trying to sell ganzo
how 'bout those locks? is the "axis" lock better or worse as far as strength goes?
Noah Koenig better and more fun
Best edge for me would be is a zero bevel but glass hard using supper momax hss
vey nice video ! really
You guys rule.
thank you!
Want a Rat-2 size!
does the Ganzo come in a digicam and black coated blade?
+Survival of the Fittest or for that matter do any of the Ganzo knives come in any black coatings on their blades, that you know of?
+Survival of the Fittest www.amazon.com/Ganzo-G7413-Orange-Folding-Whistle/dp/B01AJPX7RS?ie=UTF8&psc=1&ref_=sxr_pa_click_within_right1
+Survival of the Fittest we have that one
Wow that is a great looking blade almost looks like a ZT. I cant believe the price though, thats what really blows me away on those Ganzo knives. Do you have any idea how they are able to legally make alot of their knives pretty much replica's of other "famous" knives. You would think the big companies would wave their patents but ive looked it up and heard of no such activity unless i missed it. when i found Ganzo's that was the first though that crossed my mind and the second was the quality of knife you get for the next to nothing you pay for them!
D2 vs 440c maybe?
+Robert Ri D2 being a tool steel SHOULD reign supreme in that head to head.
apples to oranges, You dragged the rat acrooss wood on first test, Ganzo u lifted and didnt drag on wood??? Not same!!!!!
Stop, this test was fair enough to make a decision, not to mention I have many and long term experience with both brands, and their steel in real life use. I am a knife snob with alot of premium knives and am impressed with ganzos stuff, they make great beaters and gift knives. I have gifted away all my aus 8 rats (o ly have the D2 versions now, but still have 450c ganzos.
it is S-eye-Sall rope
sos-arr-I
lol. I was just in Kenya where much sisal is grown, that's the only reason i know.
They are both taiwan or chinese knives i wouldnt be supprized its the same company it like compairing a toyota to a lexus
let's see the 440c
rat fink for the win!!!
It did very well!
nyce looks like a way better blade than the rat 1
+Tactical Cats I gotta say it was impressive.
Nice, I think Frankie likes to cut paper:)
+treesablowin it's addicting lol, thanks for watching
Rat Fink all the way. And it costs less too? Nail in coffin.
haha tough to argue
R2D2 would beat the ganzo
nice video, liked. ) I think the rope test with dulling edge completely will be nice to see too. ) You're a nice couple, do you have a children?
thank you! no kids, too lazy lol
BirdShot IV thank you ) don't be too late for kids )
Would you guys look around and find something. To send me? I mean anything. I love your. Show. I just want to act like i won somethi g. I bet ypu guys get some crazy requests from people lol.
I was just kidding...
science! lol
+zurc palacios more or less lol
Tomorrow? Shhhhhhhh......
The hat is not far away...
+BirdShot IV dont let a bird with a known blade steel swoop in and steal it! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
+TheGreatWhodini probably a morning/mid day drawing...
+BirdShot IV baliyo news? And I am absolutely IN LOVE with the tighe tac two! It is almost broken in to my liking, just playing with it for a week has gotten in almost to the point where it just flies in and out... Super smooth now- was yours shaving sharp out of the box? Mine was (I tested it)
+TheGreatWhodini baliyo: sorta meh tbh. The tttt continues to be awesome, checked the edge and it will shave although not super easily. Frankie says technically since the deadline is today for VR that entrants have until midnight. Drawing sunday morning now...
Why clean the Ganzo in each probe, but the Ontario never was cleaner? The test there is not at equal conditions. Sorry, but bad test. Thank you.