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@@normified Yep. It’s misleading and I think a lot of people would be surprised by how many people with no degree get hired for roles where the job description requires one. When I was interviewing for my current position and let them know I was still in school, my manager said “Yea, we dont make the job postings. We tell HR what we are looking for as far as skills go, and then we require them to send us a list of candidates with that skillset regardless of if they have a degree or not”.
Being someone who had Certs and was in cyber and then started to my bachelors. The bachelors opens the door WAY MORE than just Certs(10 years in the industry) your goal is to get past HR.
Just barely got a job at an SOC. Start on Jan 15. I didn’t even finish my CCD cert or CYSA yet. I don’t even have my bachelors degree yet. So I feel lucky.
@ I have the CompTIA trifecta, just received sec+ last month and I worked at an MSP for 10 months. I’m probably the dumbest person in my MSP, I am just always looking for an interview because I know someone will give me a chance.
How are yall doing this because I cant even get offers I have a Associates & Bachelors Of Science IT a Masters Of Science Cybersecurity CompTIA A+ to CASP/Security X+,Linux Certs,Cloud Certs.Also made a ATS proof resume so I think Its just where I live at this point because I live in the deepest of south.
I’m a cyber intern who didn’t focus on coding much in school, and i’m already seeing how it can slow you down. Super helpful skill to have and will be something you can carry in other fields too if cyber isn’t what you want after working in it for awhile
My school does teach coding in the cyber security path but it isn't the main focus. We do have to know python bash scripting, SQL though from what I can see so far
Cybersecurity is overall is difficult because of the experience and depth of knowledge needed in the field. However, some roles within Cybersecurity can be viewed as "easy".
Application Security, GRC Analyst, and Vulnerability Management Analyst can be on the easier side. SOC or Security Analyst can be included depending on the organization.
The market here in Australia, Degree is still #1 in the requirements, if one doesn't have a degree than one must have some years of experience in the IT sector or having hardcore certs like oscp to their name.
Man, I have an MIS degree and Security+ and still struggle landing an interview. I worked in cyber before but they paid $15/hr, payday felt like opening empty Christmas cards.
Degrees often lag; certs and real-world skills matter more. Oversimplifying paths can mislead. Real success blends education, skill-building, and practical experience. ️ Continuous learning is crucial in a field that evolves daily. Keep pushing those boundaries!
GRC is DEFINITELY technical, depending on your organization and customer. When you get a vulnerability report that says these vulnerabilities were found on ports 445 and 3389 etc.. You had better know what ports these are because you wont have time to google all of them prior to your meeting with the stakeholders at 9am.
Great insights! Certifications like Network+ and Security+ outshine outdated university programs. High pressure and continuous learning are essential in cybersecurity. Thanks for keeping it real and breaking this down with clarity!
I was SEing and wanted to be a red team .. gave it all up after reaching cc at 19 yo.. being almost 29 now i regret it.. but the classes were so fking boring even tho i loved IT and made it to system admi with no degree..
I’m kind of curious on the point about using outdated operating systems in college courses. Because I absolutely did too but it was better understand how an exploit works. I think the context of why and what you were doing with that out of date software helps gives context.
I've Been In Cybersecurity Since The Internet Was $1.99 A Minute.. I Was A Self-Taught Hacker Back In The AOL Beginning I Got A Job As A Tech With NO CERTS NO DEGREE I Learned Hands-On For Many Years Fast Forward From 1993 To 2024 I Still Have NO Certs & NO Degree I Hate It When I See Videos Saying Oh U Can Make 100k Or More With Only Boot Camps Or Even A Degree Its A LIE!!!! I Make 230k A Year But It's From Teaching Myself & Definitely Hands On These Days There Is So Much Information Out There To Teach Yourself Fully...Most Of These Cybersecurity Jobs Are Pretty Boring Especially An Analyst Cybersecurity Isn't An Easy Path But Anyone Can Do It Don't Expect To Make 6 Figures Until Later...Good Luck To Everyone
I’m currently in university, for cybersecurity, and it seems pretty updated. There are classes that touch on legacy software/language but overall I am using modern sandboxed environments to produce homework. Additionally we are split into groups using teams to work together on deliverables over the semester under a “business” setup. I’m really learning a lot and enjoying it!
Absolutely, ongoing learning isn't optional in cybersecurity. Balancing hands-on skills with certifications, despite university gaps, offers a real edge!
2:39 Can someone give me a list of some good programs? This is the roadblock I've hit since I don't want to dive head-first into a program that might not be what I'm looking for.
A place i work for is having trouble hiring for a position that they need filled because their posting is asking for way too much. I knew the previous person who worked it, and even he wouldn't make the list if he came back.
@17:56 We dont need more younger folk stuntin on us older folk who still struggling to get their foot in the door despite having experience. Like we already hurtin' with what we can or cant afford 😭😭
The man I follow on LinkedIn with an animated/avatar/AI photo has 44,000+ subs. I come back to your page form time to time and happy to see your growth!
I feel as though people that mention they are in cybersecurity should specify what role they are referring to because the field of cybersecurity is so broad .
What advice would you all give since im trying to get into ICS/SCADA Engineering within Cybersecurity? I have Controls Engineering experience but getting in cyber seems tough
When you say, I got into cybersecurity at 17, explain in detail what that means. I have a bunch of youth that age at my church and I’d love to inform them about this. They keep saying they got a bunch of certificates instead of a degree but never mention the list of certifications or even the degree they were attempting to pursue. I’d like to see a realistic timeline to accomplish this. Thanks
Treat it more like DnD. Degrees, certifications, experience, and networking are like attributes against the roles you're applying for. And that's just getting the job.
Anyone have advice? I’m getting into Cyber and doing the THM Cyber Advent but everything seems so overwhelming and I’m now getting a lot of imposter syndrome and feeling like I can’t do it.
Imposter syndrome means you’re doing the thing and challenging yourself. Don’t fear it, embrace it. In this field, imposter syndrome will always be there if you are continuously upskilling.
18:56 this guy is a fraud. I commented on a couple of his videos exposing the bs, and was immediately blocked. He telling ppl to work multiple jobs, but if you're under a contract, which you usually are, then you'll get terminated. Call out this bs.
Cybersecurity is an elitist group that’s not much different than being a mediocre employee once you’re in. AI is on track to totally reduce the overall Cybersecurity workforce at a time when it should be expending rapidly.
all yall dont know what ya talking about. becuz old systems are more likey to get hit and businesses dont upgrade to the new stuff that fast and 5 years is nothing in the game
s/o to you Day! 4.2k views in a day!! I'd say this is an insight on what people want to see, more simplified easy to digest content mixed with your professional and technical expertise! I'd say a critique I have of your channel is you're very technical which is amazing in your field but when you want to reach a bigger audience and help beginners more, simplified and digestible language and content goes a long way!
if you're not passionate about cyber, invest your time somewhere else, a lot of people hopping on the trend for the money and all it does is saturate entry-level positions and make it harder to get in for those that actually deserve it, cause a lot quit
About the finance part you don’t necessarily need to talk about what you make now you talk about what you made at your first job when you first started and then just talk about how you balanced the finances and not go into to much but like a general l talk, but if you don’t want to i fully understand
A former sysadmin with the will to learning cyber will go farv are most cyner degrees are not worth it. Most cyber programs were just a cash grab bag by the uni. A great cyber program would be a vocational school wity internships.
I really don’t like hearing about how much a person made/make in the industry because some people who are trying to get industry will just get driven off of that. Although that’s not a bad thing but is that the goal? Idk just cringy 😭 good motivation though.
The first one is outright bad advice, degree is needed as people need to understand IT/Computer Science in a conceptual level.... it is exactly the advice that produces and produced cybersecurity professionals like the second one (cybersecurity is easy - its not, you have to understand everything IT) and those who don't even know how to SSH or how basic TCP IP work or can't put few lines of codes together. and for the second one... the whole point of cybersecurity is combating bad code... you need to have strong "not just fair" understanding of coding, how software are made, different technologies when it comes to software engineering. and am not talking about the GRC field here, if you're into the offensive or defensive side of cybersecurity, understanding codes and programming as well as networking and various configurations are essential and not just on a high level. otherwise, the kind of cybersecurity specialist you'll be is the tool runner type which just run tools without understanding of how they work and why they work and the first sign of the tool not working you'll say no vulnerability/issue/malware here and move on... leaving that tricky malicious stuff laughing at you
Hey @DayCyberwox! I just found your channel and wanted to ask if its worth me getting an associates degree in cybersecurity. I plan to start January 2025, I hope you see this soon. Thanks
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the 'don't go to uni' crowd make a valid point from a theoretical perspective, but the job market doesn't really reflect it
Fair point!
The last 3 jobs I’ve had all listed a bachelors degree as a requirement.
But I do have experience already
@@ItzZerooooY2K """Requirements""" and half the applicants they'll look at won't have half the shopping list of items they included lol
@@normified Yep. It’s misleading and I think a lot of people would be surprised by how many people with no degree get hired for roles where the job description requires one.
When I was interviewing for my current position and let them know I was still in school, my manager said “Yea, we dont make the job postings. We tell HR what we are looking for as far as skills go, and then we require them to send us a list of candidates with that skillset regardless of if they have a degree or not”.
I got one without any certs ! You just have to find that company that will take a chance .. with a high turnover rate lol
“The further you go in your cyber security career the more is expected of you” this is it! This is exactly what makes it hard
Being someone who had Certs and was in cyber and then started to my bachelors. The bachelors opens the door WAY MORE than just Certs(10 years in the industry) your goal is to get past HR.
Just barely got a job at an SOC. Start on Jan 15. I didn’t even finish my CCD cert or CYSA yet. I don’t even have my bachelors degree yet. So I feel lucky.
Do you have any other cert?
@ I have the CompTIA trifecta, just received sec+ last month and I worked at an MSP for 10 months. I’m probably the dumbest person in my MSP, I am just always looking for an interview because I know someone will give me a chance.
@genjioto well done congrats just keep going. The ccd gives you knowledge, but can you cope with the msp? I also want to go for ccd and then for sec+.
@@johnvardy9559 MSP was fine I just didn’t really enjoy working with my peers there. I couldn’t really relate to anyone there.
How are yall doing this because I cant even get offers I have a Associates & Bachelors Of Science IT a Masters Of Science Cybersecurity CompTIA A+ to CASP/Security X+,Linux Certs,Cloud Certs.Also made a ATS proof resume so I think Its just where I live at this point because I live in the deepest of south.
Making 400K but selling a course. I have my doubts :)
This is golden ❤😂
I'm in GRC and it is getting more technical everyday. Especially with the NIST AI RMF being released this year.
I’m a cyber intern who didn’t focus on coding much in school, and i’m already seeing how it can slow you down. Super helpful skill to have and will be something you can carry in other fields too if cyber isn’t what you want after working in it for awhile
That's a great perspective - thanks for sharing!
My school does teach coding in the cyber security path but it isn't the main focus. We do have to know python bash scripting, SQL though from what I can see so far
Cybersecurity is overall is difficult because of the experience and depth of knowledge needed in the field. However, some roles within Cybersecurity can be viewed as "easy".
Like what?
Application Security, GRC Analyst, and Vulnerability Management Analyst can be on the easier side. SOC or Security Analyst can be included depending on the organization.
Application security absolutely isn’t easy. Much is expected out of an application security engineer.
I used to be a IAM Engineer. I agree coding is downplayed. I had to write and refactor in python, java and javascript as part of multiple projects.
🎯 facts!
@laramecodes3520 what's your role now? Trying to get an idea of career path
The market here in Australia, Degree is still #1 in the requirements, if one doesn't have a degree than one must have some years of experience in the IT sector or having hardcore certs like oscp to their name.
Man, I have an MIS degree and Security+ and still struggle landing an interview. I worked in cyber before but they paid $15/hr, payday felt like opening empty Christmas cards.
yikes...
@@DayCyberwox I got fired. I gave them $15 effort lol. I'm trying to get back in the field.
Degrees often lag; certs and real-world skills matter more. Oversimplifying paths can mislead. Real success blends education, skill-building, and practical experience. ️ Continuous learning is crucial in a field that evolves daily. Keep pushing those boundaries!
Well said!
Someone missed the whole point of high education
GRC is DEFINITELY technical, depending on your organization and customer. When you get a vulnerability report that says these vulnerabilities were found on ports 445 and 3389 etc.. You had better know what ports these are because you wont have time to google all of them prior to your meeting with the stakeholders at 9am.
🎯 facts!
but those are the basics
On my final interview at AWS . No degree. I feel networking is best and yes a mentor or someone close is a way to stay on track
Any courses/ practice etc
Great insights! Certifications like Network+ and Security+ outshine outdated university programs. High pressure and continuous learning are essential in cybersecurity. Thanks for keeping it real and breaking this down with clarity!
Well said!
lol no they don't
If you have a whole degree in Cyber and can't even get an entry-level helpdesk role or internship, you may be the problem.
🤭
I saw a comment on a video. It was by a gentleman in the middle of getting his BA in cybersecurity. He didn't know what pen-testing was.
Reminds me of the computer science major I talked to and never built a computer
Wildddd😂
Keep making videos like this. Love it
I was SEing and wanted to be a red team .. gave it all up after reaching cc at 19 yo.. being almost 29 now i regret it.. but the classes were so fking boring even tho i loved IT and made it to system admi with no degree..
I’m kind of curious on the point about using outdated operating systems in college courses. Because I absolutely did too but it was better understand how an exploit works. I think the context of why and what you were doing with that out of date software helps gives context.
I've Been In Cybersecurity Since The Internet Was $1.99 A Minute.. I Was A Self-Taught Hacker Back In The AOL Beginning I Got A Job As A Tech With NO CERTS NO DEGREE I Learned Hands-On For Many Years Fast Forward From 1993 To 2024 I Still Have NO Certs & NO Degree I Hate It When I See Videos Saying Oh U Can Make 100k Or More With Only Boot Camps Or Even A Degree Its A LIE!!!! I Make 230k A Year But It's From Teaching Myself & Definitely Hands On These Days There Is So Much Information Out There To Teach Yourself Fully...Most Of These Cybersecurity Jobs Are Pretty Boring Especially An Analyst Cybersecurity Isn't An Easy Path But Anyone Can Do It Don't Expect To Make 6 Figures Until Later...Good Luck To Everyone
can you make a video of the skills and path you did to progress your career. Like what did each role require you, and how did you get to the next one?
4:27 the fact that he referred to $300k as a sign of success is a red flag. Money is great, but passion is better.
I’m currently in university, for cybersecurity, and it seems pretty updated. There are classes that touch on legacy software/language but overall I am using modern sandboxed environments to produce homework. Additionally we are split into groups using teams to work together on deliverables over the semester under a “business” setup. I’m really learning a lot and enjoying it!
Absolutely, ongoing learning isn't optional in cybersecurity. Balancing hands-on skills with certifications, despite university gaps, offers a real edge!
It definitely does!
As always, GREAAAT Content and perspective on these short form videos my guy 🥂
Thanks Dion!
Remain real Day! We appreciate you brotha ✊🏾
Thank you 💙
Great video! I’m just trying to get a job as a sys administrator then I worked my way up from there
That'd be some good experience!
2:39
Can someone give me a list of some good programs? This is the roadblock I've hit since I don't want to dive head-first into a program that might not be what I'm looking for.
A place i work for is having trouble hiring for a position that they need filled because their posting is asking for way too much. I knew the previous person who worked it, and even he wouldn't make the list if he came back.
@17:56 We dont need more younger folk stuntin on us older folk who still struggling to get their foot in the door despite having experience. Like we already hurtin' with what we can or cant afford 😭😭
😭😭bettt
@@DayCyberwox lol im proud for yall though. Everyone got a different acceptance point. I'll get there
Spot on! Practical skills over dusty degrees any day. Real-world experience with Python and Linux beats outdated curricula.
Real talk!
Have fun falling behind without that degree.
Good video, helpful!!
Glad it was helpful!
The man I follow on LinkedIn with an animated/avatar/AI photo has 44,000+ subs. I come back to your page form time to time and happy to see your growth!
I feel as though people that mention they are in cybersecurity should specify what role they are referring to because the field of cybersecurity is so broad .
What advice would you all give since im trying to get into ICS/SCADA Engineering within Cybersecurity? I have Controls Engineering experience but getting in cyber seems tough
When you say, I got into cybersecurity at 17, explain in detail what that means. I have a bunch of youth that age at my church and I’d love to inform them about this. They keep saying they got a bunch of certificates instead of a degree but never mention the list of certifications or even the degree they were attempting to pursue. I’d like to see a realistic timeline to accomplish this.
Thanks
Any pointers on transferring from AWS datacenter to the Security Engineer
Treat it more like DnD. Degrees, certifications, experience, and networking are like attributes against the roles you're applying for. And that's just getting the job.
Great video
Thanks!
Definitely takes a lot of time and work
💯
Anyone have advice? I’m getting into Cyber and doing the THM Cyber Advent but everything seems so overwhelming and I’m now getting a lot of imposter syndrome and feeling like I can’t do it.
Yea you simply aren’t good enough, get better and you won’t have the feeling of imposter syndrome
Imposter syndrome means you’re doing the thing and challenging yourself. Don’t fear it, embrace it. In this field, imposter syndrome will always be there if you are continuously upskilling.
18:56 this guy is a fraud. I commented on a couple of his videos exposing the bs, and was immediately blocked. He telling ppl to work multiple jobs, but if you're under a contract, which you usually are, then you'll get terminated. Call out this bs.
Whos the creator on 16:15 pls
Great video.
Thanks!
Are these real jobs or world salad, check a box roles?
I've been playing on HTB for about 2 months and had to go through the script and rewrite sections of script automate user input.
Cybersecurity is an elitist group that’s not much different than being a mediocre employee once you’re in. AI is on track to totally reduce the overall Cybersecurity workforce at a time when it should be expending rapidly.
Was it a paid off Lambo and hellcat? Anybody can get any car. I see it personally.
Are you actually 22?
all yall dont know what ya talking about. becuz old systems are more likey to get hit and businesses dont upgrade to the new stuff that fast and 5 years is nothing in the game
s/o to you Day! 4.2k views in a day!! I'd say this is an insight on what people want to see, more simplified easy to digest content mixed with your professional and technical expertise! I'd say a critique I have of your channel is you're very technical which is amazing in your field but when you want to reach a bigger audience and help beginners more, simplified and digestible language and content goes a long way!
but honestly amazing video, thank you for fact-checking all the ridiculous claims that are stated on the internet and giving us much needed nuance!
if you're not passionate about cyber, invest your time somewhere else, a lot of people hopping on the trend for the money and all it does is saturate entry-level positions and make it harder to get in for those that actually deserve it, cause a lot quit
About the finance part you don’t necessarily need to talk about what you make now you talk about what you made at your first job when you first started and then just talk about how you balanced the finances and not go into to much but like a general l talk, but if you don’t want to i fully understand
Cyber security will eventually branch into private militia
Got me thinking! Elaborate tho ?
@@sh4dowz855 because cyber attacks is the new war
A former sysadmin with the will to learning cyber will go farv are most cyner degrees are not worth it. Most cyber programs were just a cash grab bag by the uni. A great cyber program would be a vocational school wity internships.
I really don’t like hearing about how much a person made/make in the industry because some people who are trying to get industry will just get driven off of that. Although that’s not a bad thing but is that the goal? Idk just cringy 😭 good motivation though.
The first one is outright bad advice, degree is needed as people need to understand IT/Computer Science in a conceptual level.... it is exactly the advice that produces and produced cybersecurity professionals like the second one (cybersecurity is easy - its not, you have to understand everything IT) and those who don't even know how to SSH or how basic TCP IP work or can't put few lines of codes together.
and for the second one... the whole point of cybersecurity is combating bad code... you need to have strong "not just fair" understanding of coding, how software are made, different technologies when it comes to software engineering. and am not talking about the GRC field here, if you're into the offensive or defensive side of cybersecurity, understanding codes and programming as well as networking and various configurations are essential and not just on a high level. otherwise, the kind of cybersecurity specialist you'll be is the tool runner type which just run tools without understanding of how they work and why they work and the first sign of the tool not working you'll say no vulnerability/issue/malware here and move on... leaving that tricky malicious stuff laughing at you
#GRC_MAFIA!!!
#GRC_NERDHERD!!!
@@SpaceTacos60316 we need to get that on some merch!
Day (cyberwox) Johnson! Is on a generational run 🏃🏾
my guy!🫡
Hey @DayCyberwox! I just found your channel and wanted to ask if its worth me getting an associates degree in cybersecurity. I plan to start January 2025, I hope you see this soon.
Thanks