A wise man once told me that you can step on as many people as you want on the way up so long as you expect to never come back down. And you always come back down.
If you view everything you have as a gift from the Lord and it is your job to steward it, then you will ALWAYS use what you've been blessed with to bless others.
If the prosperity gospel is true, then it needs to work everywhere at all times. Having been to the slums of Nairobi and volunteered in Kibera, I can say first hand that there are incredibly faithful God loving people there that live with raw sewage flowing past the sheet metal lean to that they call their home. They are not prosperous at all, but they have incredible faith.
Many of those people have been taught the poverty gospel for years, so they may have great faith but they have a wrong understanding of what the Bible teaches along these lines. Until they get their thinking corrected their situation isn't going to change.
Wow, thank you Dave Ramsey. I just got a job as a mortgage loan officer & I've been feeling so guilty for putting myself in a position where I wont have to worry about money. I had NO IDEA you were a Christian! I can't wait to learn more from you.
How do you not have to worry about money as a mortgage loan officer? My husband has been an mlo for 15 months and we are nowhere near not worrying about money. It’s actually the exact opposite for us. I’m interested in hearing what you’re doing!
@@mountainmonkey15 oh ok that is not how I interpreted what the commenter said. To me it sounded like this person is an MLO and they have been feeling guilty for being in a well paid job so they don’t have to worry about money coming in. That is how I read it. Maybe I was wrong but that’s how it sounded to me.
Great to see Dave answer this question. People in other undeveloped countries shouldn't be condemned as faithless because they're impoverished. Many times God calls us who have to help them but we aren't acting on His clear will and direction.
Some people in other nations are legitimately oppressed by their government, so it'd be such a terrible thing to accuse them of being faithless when they're just a product of circumstance
Note: The people in poor countries are blessed without measures by natural resources but the western governments have been exploiting them to their detriment. America says.. that development of third world countries is a threat to America, so they do everything using their dollars, military, qnd international organizations and sometimes a bad leader in those countries to permanently keep them underdeveloped and poor. Check out American Economic Intelligence Report of 1974.
@@ramseyabsessien8990 , I came from a 3rd world country, life was difficult and I always wonder, why God let me be born there. When I became a believer in Jesus and read the Bible, my life changed. I know my purpose, God's will for me , His plans, His empowerment through the Holy Spirit, direction , wisdom etc. ( many perish for lack of knowledge, knowledge in Word of God). I became a successful businesswoman( no college and poor), with God nothing is impossible, not with govt.
@@lesterh9421 I understand it as: If you have everything except money, there's nothing that money could buy anyways. You have it already. So your life is the same as if you also had money, since your life isn't affected in any way by the amount of money you have.
When I first started looking for teaching on a Christian attitude to money, I got both the prosperity preachers and a famous preacher saying (shouting) wealth is always a curse! Then I found Dave!
You reap what you sow but there’s also a lot of sin in this fallen world. Sometimes bad things happen and it’s not a direct result of our disobedience.
You give because you have been blessed to do so. So you are already blessed. I never believed you didn't "need" money though. But remember you reap what you sow ALL TIME, not just money wise. Be careful what you do ALL THE TIME, it comes back to you.
The beauty is that you don't have to have money to give. When I was out of work for a time, I gave my time to my church by making the church programs, tutoring some of the kids, and teaching a class on Wednesday night for free. You can be broke, but help your elderly neighbors around the house. Generosity in any form is welcome.
E:xactly I came do the god-given epiphany 14 years ago, that to affect the world, I needed larger tools. This understanding has sustained me through flood, hardship, and 110 hr work weeks inventing and building businesses around those inventions...and HAPPY to do it! $ isn't the goal, a better world is the goal $ is just a tool to achieve that...
Don't agree with that. There is no guarantee of any financial prosperity in the life of a Christian. Look at the Jerusalem saints in the first century. They were all poor. That is why Paul took up a collection from the church at Corinth. It took over ten years for that money to reach Jerusalem.
I had a college religion professor insinuate to me in a discussion that the Dave Ramsey program is the prosperity gospel. After the discussion i found more than one video with Dave saying it's not the prosperity gospel. So, i asked him later on about Proverbs 22:7, and acted like he didn't know about the verse.
HeySmartGuy 98 They come from certain pastors who want to build mega churches and steal money. You can tell who their are because they use broad statements in the sermons and use the passion translation bible.
Yeah ... pretty sure that his catchline live like no one else today so you can live like no one else later, is referring to putting in a crazy amount of work and effort early on in your life ... most prosperity gospels push people to use God as a personal genie
Proverbs 22.7 means the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is a servant to the lender. If you don't want to be in this situation. Then Say No to borrowing money and work hard and save your money.
I appreciate that Dave talked about both ends of the spectrum. When I was in college, I often felt judged by several of my Christian friends/colleagues just because I had a job making decent money and wasn't pursuing a career in ministry. Those that are in ministry as a profession should be careful about this so that they don't develop a "holier than thou" attitude. They might even take a very literal stance on Jesus' command to "follow me" to the point where they own next to nothing, make no money, and are basically funded or live off of money given by others. You can't have 100% of the church body living this way. It just doesn't work.
It can also go the other way. I was close with a pastor who is now a megachurch pastor wearing $600 shoes. I am not sure if his mistress, at least back then, will ever expose him and their secret child.
My church, one of the first sermons I heard was how people are made for different things in the body of Christ, some will be the business owners that are blessed to bring money, if God wills it, some you won't be the business you might just serve in church, bring the energy etc. They talked about the history of our city, where many Christians were actually the owners of businesses that has become big global brands. They didn't promise we'd all be business owners though, they preached that Prosperity was a poison, and I believe the talking about business owners part was actually when they wanted to complete their trashing of the prosperity gospel by saying don't go towards poverty gospel either.
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success
Having money is not a problem, no matter how much you have, as long as you put the Lord first. The Scriptures say "For the love of money is the root of all evil, and some people, craving money, have wandered from their true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10). Never make an idol out of money!
Successful people don't become that way overnight. What most people see at a glance-wealth, a great career, purpose-is the result of hard work and hustle over time.
@@christophercook7170 People come here with the aim of chasing money more than knowledge and that will damage your progress, trust me. Chase knowledge first and I promise! The money will follow you just like it's following some of us now.
Most Christians have no understanding of scripture concerning prosperity. I think Mr. Ramsey did a good job of answering the mans question. I agree with Mr. Ramsey on his idea of long term wealth not trying to get rich quick. Scripture talks about that. There is the sowing and reaping and it does work but the key is did God lead you to do it. People here just a little and think hey I can just do whatever I want and it will work but it doesn’t. We do it Gods way according to scripture not someone’s opinion. Matthew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom and all these things will be added to you. Read that whole chapter. God and His things come first before family, before our own wants etc. like Mr. Ramsey said God is good and he wants to bless us we just have to do it his way. Yes there are crooks in ministry just like any other profession. It doesn’t do away with the real though. As far as people being poor means they’ve done something wrong that’s crazy. Now they may not know God wants them to not be poor because someone told them he does. God has a specific plan for each of our lives and on that plan is the peace of mind, the fulfillment we are missing and also the blessings. Money is a tool it can be used for good or evil. Money and stuff has nothing to do with going to heaven but it does make life here easier. We can’t bless and help others if I don’t have extra at least financially. Gods has been lord on for hundreds of years by the devil deceiving his people. God can bring someone out of poverty in any part of the world no matter how poor you think they are. If people don’t know he’s good they don’t expect him to be good.
Wow Dave thanks for discussing topic. Sir you have my respect. Thanks for your strong convictions and expressing them without shame. Your channel has been a blessing for my marriage.
It is so much easier to practice your faith if you are financially secure. It is easier to act ethically and with integrity when you do not have to worry about financial consequences. Being in good shape financially means you do not have to worry if doing the right thing costs you your job. That is the world we are living in.
Dave is in the right track ! The Bible teaches that some ppl are blind to God true teaching . Speaks on a veil . I use to have the veilover my eyes but now I see . I have felt Jesus’ percents and heard His voice ! He is amazing !!
I consider this matter settled. Good on Dave for really tackling this subject. In Mark Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." Jesus gave this answer as a response to a question that boiled down to “is it right to pay taxes to the emperor?” Now the men asking the question were trying to get him in trouble but if they had been sincere, a simple question would have followed “What belongs to God?” I want you to think about what the Bible does fundamentally for us. It does many things but the two fundamental things you should have gleaned from reading it. 1.There is a God 2.He Loves you. Jesus dying on the cross was his message to his willingness to see us with him. In Matthew 6:21 it says”For where your treasure is, there your HEART will be also.” If your HEART is not with God then it’s irrelevant how little or how much you have because honestly, the both of you are in the same boat. God wants YOU! Money is just a piece of paper that has a trust that you can exchange it for goods or services and to treat it in any manner other than this is foolishness.
3John 1:2 Beloved, I desire that you prosper and be in good health, even as your soul prospers. 2Thessalonians 3:10 If a man will not work let him also not eat. Deuteronomy 8:18 The LORD gives you power to get wealth to establish His covenant in the earth. Matthew 25:14-30 20 So, he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
For citations, it is best to go to the source. The rich young ruler shows the heart in the wrong place. Luke 18:18-34. The parable of 10 talents. Matthew 25:14-30. Father provides. Matthew 6:28. Provide for your family 1 Timothy 5:8. Do not be an enabler. Matthew 7:6. Giving. Luke 21:1-4. Tithes and offerings. 2 Corinthians 9:7. Luke 6:38. 1 John 3:17. Matthew 6:24.2 Corinthians 9:1-15. Saving money 1 Corinthians 16:2. Paying your taxes Matthew 17:24-27. It is pretty clear we are called to be good stewards. We are to handle money wisely. Invest and grow, provide for needy, provide for your needs with savings, pay your taxes, care for your family, etc. Churches teaching greed are wrong. Churches teaching poverty are also wrong. Being fruitful, paying your taxes, wise investing, and above all with a loving heart knowing all your blessings are the Lord's, and you are the steward or caretaker of it. You are the Lord's financial advisor. Treat his gifts with grace and loving care. Do not be the fool and waste it on frivolous things. Save for your retirement so you are not a burden to others. Save for your kids school. Bring money to your church's storehouse so they can provide for the members in time of need. Does your church actually provide for members in time of need? You hear about churches all the time raising money. Do you hear about the churches assisting with rent, utilities, and other needs? The church I attend approached me when my wife died and I was unemployed. An elder approached me and asked if I needed assistance. Due to good stewardship, I did not need assistance yet, but this is how I found out about my local church fulfilling this scripture's requirement. I am back to work and make special donations to the Fellowship Fund at my church to help with members in need during this crisis. Where your money is your heart will be also. Luke 12:15. Matthew 6:19-21.
What source? A translation of a copy of a copy of a copy? Matthew, mark, Luke and John are not even the ones who wrote those books. It's anyomous they never signed their work 🙄
having money doesn't make you a bad person. conversely, just because you have money, doesn't mean you are a good person. it's how you got it, and what you do with it. like adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.
I heard a minister say the best thing. Ministers get pms. Power, money and sex will bring you down. He said, ministers can be lazy and bring in hoards of money.
While their is nothing wrong with riches in and of themselves, they also come with a great responsibility attached to them. . Luke 12:48, "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." . Agur prophesied to Solomon some truths, and this is one of them: . Proverbs 30:8-9, " (8) Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: (9) Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain." . Basically it's best to be somewhere in the middle. It is a lesson for all of us. . Ecclesiastes 1:2, "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." . Glory to God
That was one of the best questions, ever. God, has a plan to prosper us, and not to harm us. Plans to give us a hope and a future. Jeremiah 29:11 is one of my favorite Bible scriptures. God, is good!
Don't forget about Job, loved God and was well off. So, having money isn't wrong, for the love of it leads to all kinds of evil. Job knew how to handle what he was blessed with even after losing it all.
Totally agree Dave, this makes sense. God wants us to be whole, wholeness, in our society must include finances. It’s the love of money, when that’s your goal/motivator, it’s definitely getting off track spiritually. We love/trust God, God then in turn, provides. Good explanation Dave!
I believe as Christians we are to be good stewards of money and think wisely and I know so many Christians who think " suffering" is a way to pay homage to Jesus. If anything it's offensive. No one can suffer enough to match what Jesus went through so the best way to honor God is to become successful and help others
6:18 yeah explain that to all those that fall into a bunch of money and can't handle it like music artist, sports stars, actors, lotto winners etc. How many times have we heard about these types of people ending up being wreckless with their money and go bankrupt as a result? a lot.
As a Haitian, I wonder, according to the prosperity gospel, what The Haitian Christians did wrong to be in hopeless poverty. They didn't tithe enough? Manifest their destiny? Believe enough?
F.J.J., Poverty is a curse and needs to be broken, even after you become a christian. Many perish for lack of knowledge and knowledge in Word of God. I experienced this. Derek Prince book on blessing and curses or on TH-cam.
The poorest people are the most religious and yet decade after decade even century after century these countries remain the same...really don’t think faith affects the outcome.Corrupt government maintains poverty in certain areas sadly.
I hope I'm not the only atheist listener of Dave. Because aside from the religious drive of Dave and his ways, he gives some really sound financial advice.
@James Marquis Well, I do think Christians are wrong. But that doesn't mean I'm hateful or bigoted. I just feel like every human deserves to have knowledge available of what we are able to understand. A conviction is nothing more than a glorified opinion. Which by design is subject to scrutiny. Which is fine. But we get from opinion to fact by experimentation, repeatability, peer review, logic, reason and deduction. But perhaps that's just me.
Amen Dave Ramsey ! Thx for clearing this up !God wants up to be Faithful stewards of money . As believers we are allow to obtain money bcuz God wants to bless us . When we are ready He gives us that . God wants us to enjoy the things of this earth. He dosnt want us to be poor and struggle . I use to think similar to that but then I picked up the Bible and started reading God wisdom !!! Thank You Jesus ! Glory to u !
The word that came to mind is possessions, when people become possessed with what they have it can be detrimental. So being a good steward when good gives you the blessing and using them for the God of your neighbor and your family.
I don’t think most of them understand scripture enough to worship anything other than what their pastor tells them to do. That gospel has ruined so many lives because it teaches ppl to forsake Jesus by chasing whatever it is that will bring them riches instead of chasing Christ. If we seek the kingdom of God and its righteousness, all things will be given to us, ALL. I worked hard all my life and was married to someone who didn’t manage God’s resources well. We stayed in debt and stress. After my divorce I took control of my own finances and took financial peace university. But I lost everything in that marriage so had to start over at 43 yrs old. But I learned so much through Financial Peace University. I got it together but it took about 6 years to recover and even be able to buy another house. But I was fortunate to buy a home that was a foreclosure and repaired it. I got remarried 8 yrs after that marriage and we paid off that house I bought before we married after 4 yrs of marriage so it was paid off in 12 yrs total. We have no debt and we are working on building our 401k’s, our IRA’s and we already have a fully funded emergency account. We have the freedom to support 4 Christian organizations and 1 non Christian organization that do great work in saving lives of children. So money is needed but it should not become our God. Actually what we have ultimately belongs to God. If we could just keep the mindset that not any of what we have belongs to us, we wouldn’t chase the dollar, we would chase God and He would supply every need we have and then some. He does it for me everyday and I have cancer and He provides the resources for me to get the care that I need to continue on as He has me here to do His will. But I will say, being outta debt afforded me to be treated at the number one hospital in the world for the type of cancer I have. We could afford to live in another city on and off for 1 and 1/2 year and still maintain our home easily because we had an emergency fund and no debt. I wouldn’t have gotten the care I received if we had not been financially able to stay in another city to go through the treatments. I don’t like the prosperity gospel because there are holes in their messages but I do believe in being a good steward over everything God has blessed us with and that’s why we have been able to do the things God has us do. But let me tell you this too, my chemo meds are $17,000 plus a month and God supplies that too because the manufacturer gives us the meds for free. They work up something with this hospital to where their patients get the care they need no matter the cost. So for me I see God in everything I do because sometimes it’s not always through money, but not one of us can purchase favor, that a gift and God bestows His gifts on whomever He desires to give them to.
Only God knows your heart, I also know that it pleases God to give what excess you have away, as a way to show your commitment to God...I also know that we as a society know what excess is, even tho we like to toss around the definition of it and pretend it means something different to different people. I also know that we humans, by our very nature will not live without the things we have that make our lives comfortable. I also know that wealthy people define " comfort" differently than the rest of society, and they will inherently justify sustaining that level of comfort.The rest of us can take comfort in knowing it's not up to us to prove that one way or the other... I have never know wealth, but I have known real poverty on a scale that most Americans have not. Everyone will be schooled in their level of sacrifice in their own due time... Including Dave Ramsey,
THE BIBLE DOES SAY DONT MAKE YOUR GOAL TO BE RICH. You may become rich while walking the Christian walk but it was not your primary focus. Seek first the kingdom of and all these things will be given to you. Be content with what you have today.
Jvolstad I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been to church in decades. Most importantly I'm praying you know Jesus and you have a relationship with him. Jesus loves you!!
I am infected by thoughts about anti wealth movement and still thinking that I have to be poor to be spiritual. And thought about all work is evil and worldly except spiritual church work. Like, I absolutely hate those anti wealth mindset. Please help me to be free from it
Having lived in the developing world, it's simply not correct to suggest that somebody making $38k in the U.S. is that wealthy. The money just doesn't go that far as everything is more expensive, I was feeding myself on about $4 a day and renting a nice apartment for $200 a month, good luck doing anywhere near that well in the U.S..
Good to hear yes. I have a friend that's propresty but I need a favor for something personal wow I never got an answer two people call friends did this to me God will provide I see how money change them.
Blessed to be a blessing!!! 🙌🙌🙌 “I’ve noticed that poor people don’t feed hungry kids!” Wow! Jesus expressed that the poor would always be among us (in need), that is why believers must have wealth, do they can be a help to the poor! As we help the needy, we are helping Jesus (so to speak)! 🙌🙌🙌 What we do for those in need (the poor and needy) we do to Jesus!
What's really wrong with the prosperity gospel is the fact that it doesn't ever tell people or hold people accountable to work and earn their dollar. It also doesn't preach staying out of debt and budgeting and investing. And that's the difference between Dave and those prosperity preachers.
The Bible teaches us how to prosper. Prosperity is not the problem. The heart of man and the sin nature are the problems of man. It's not wrong to prosper or else the church would have no support! Your family would lack support! If it's wrong to prosper, then work for free, never take a raise, and never receive a gift from anyone for any reason because all of that are forms of prosperity.
Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the bread that is my portion. Proverbs 30:8
Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, And wine makes merry; but money answers everything.
Yes....that's what I pray for......not riches...but just enough!
How come no one is quoting the slavery passages?
Yes! Thank you.
John 6:35 NKJV - And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
Money doesn't change you, it just reveals who you are when you no longer have to be nice..
Alot of truth in that.
That's the truth, very few people are "good people" when they have money because of this.
Money gives you more options -- not all of them good.
Very true!
A wise man once told me that you can step on as many people as you want on the way up so long as you expect to never come back down. And you always come back down.
If you view everything you have as a gift from the Lord and it is your job to steward it, then you will ALWAYS use what you've been blessed with to bless others.
Nichole Pearson It was only after I went to FPU did I discover the concept of what being a good steward means.
Amen!
Have you read "the man in the mirror"? The author talks about this. I agree with your statement.
Amen!
If you view everything is from the Lord, you do not have good thinking skills 🙄
If the prosperity gospel is true, then it needs to work everywhere at all times. Having been to the slums of Nairobi and volunteered in Kibera, I can say first hand that there are incredibly faithful God loving people there that live with raw sewage flowing past the sheet metal lean to that they call their home. They are not prosperous at all, but they have incredible faith.
Many of those people have been taught the poverty gospel for years, so they may have great faith but they have a wrong understanding of what the Bible teaches along these lines. Until they get their thinking corrected their situation isn't going to change.
How come you didn't stay there and live then? Poverty is a curse. Maybe they don't know that they can prosper and have a better life.
@@thelasthourgetready where in the bible does it say poverty is a curse and what is this godly power would undo said curse
The ones that gain the most are the evangelists and preachers preaching this
Tell us how we can tell how much another person loves God, and know how much faith another has.
"A good person leaves an inheritance for thier children's children..." Proverbs 13:22
Wow... there must not be very many good people in this world then.
How about an inheritance of salvation...teaching and leaving the greatest blessing of all to your children
@@1kgsxrk7 thats personal. Not transferible
It doesn’t mean just money but it can be anything, house, car, items, etc.
@@Anto-kz5hk you're half right. Teaching salvation and how to come to God is transferable also an expectation.
Money is neither good nor bad. It merely serves as an amplifier of who we are. It helps us to manifest our values or lack thereof.
@JD as someone who has money, this is what I always says about it. Power and money just amplify everything and beyond all barriers.
Money is a wonderful servant but a terrible master
In my humble opinion, “stewardship” is the key word.
I agree.
Wow, thank you Dave Ramsey. I just got a job as a mortgage loan officer & I've been feeling so guilty for putting myself in a position where I wont have to worry about money. I had NO IDEA you were a Christian! I can't wait to learn more from you.
How do you not have to worry about money as a mortgage loan officer? My husband has been an mlo for 15 months and we are nowhere near not worrying about money. It’s actually the exact opposite for us. I’m interested in hearing what you’re doing!
@@charisendicott No they meant worry about money that they are lending out to others
@@mountainmonkey15 oh ok that is not how I interpreted what the commenter said. To me it sounded like this person is an MLO and they have been feeling guilty for being in a well paid job so they don’t have to worry about money coming in. That is how I read it. Maybe I was wrong but that’s how it sounded to me.
@@charisendicott I read it the same way 😳 🤷♂️
@@treeroofgrass LoL everyone worries about money even my millionaire friends and you can take this comment either way.
Great to see Dave answer this question. People in other undeveloped countries shouldn't be condemned as faithless because they're impoverished. Many times God calls us who have to help them but we aren't acting on His clear will and direction.
Excellent point!
Some people in other nations are legitimately oppressed by their government, so it'd be such a terrible thing to accuse them of being faithless when they're just a product of circumstance
Note: The people in poor countries are blessed without measures by natural resources but the western governments have been exploiting them to their detriment. America says.. that development of third world countries is a threat to America, so they do everything using their dollars, military, qnd international organizations and sometimes a bad leader in those countries to permanently keep them underdeveloped and poor. Check out American Economic Intelligence Report of 1974.
@@ramseyabsessien8990 , I came from a 3rd world country, life was difficult and I always wonder, why God let me be born there. When I became a believer in Jesus and read the Bible, my life changed. I know my purpose, God's will for me , His plans, His empowerment through the Holy Spirit, direction , wisdom etc. ( many perish for lack of knowledge, knowledge in Word of God). I became a successful businesswoman( no college and poor), with God nothing is impossible, not with govt.
Why does an powerful god need help?🙄
The prosperity gospel is a damnable heresy and an abomination to the Lord
How are you defining Prosperity Gospel?
The same as everyone else is.
The same with your poverty gospel
*"An abundant life whic is not everything but money, its everything including money"*
Yep
A sad life is sitting on TH-cam daily and commenting
That sound like a page taken out of one of Joel
Osteen’s books
I dont understand this part, anyone can help me figure out whay this means?
@@lesterh9421 I understand it as: If you have everything except money, there's nothing that money could buy anyways. You have it already. So your life is the same as if you also had money, since your life isn't affected in any way by the amount of money you have.
When I first started looking for teaching on a Christian attitude to money, I got both the prosperity preachers and a famous preacher saying (shouting) wealth is always a curse! Then I found Dave!
This was such a refreshing question/topic for discussion.
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I love your comment, was thinking the same thing
You reap what you sow, its true about everything in life.
not for everyone. plenty of people make a huge effort and never get paid. God, life, fate, the universe... whatever it is, plays heavy favorites
@@sumobowler3790 huge efforts doing the wrong things will always lead to the wrong results tho. I havent seen sowing and reaping fail
You reap what you sow but there’s also a lot of sin in this fallen world. Sometimes bad things happen and it’s not a direct result of our disobedience.
Nope, not at all. How is it athiests prosper but Christians starve? 🙄
@@anthonynosike I am sure you have. You just use confirmation bias and ignore the misses
You give because you have been blessed to do so. So you are already blessed. I never believed you didn't "need" money though. But remember you reap what you sow ALL TIME, not just money wise. Be careful what you do ALL THE TIME, it comes back to you.
The beauty is that you don't have to have money to give. When I was out of work for a time, I gave my time to my church by making the church programs, tutoring some of the kids, and teaching a class on Wednesday night for free. You can be broke, but help your elderly neighbors around the house. Generosity in any form is welcome.
One of the many prosperous qualities the Gospel provides is when you earn enough to be generous to the rest.
E:xactly I came do the god-given epiphany 14 years ago, that to affect the world, I needed larger tools. This understanding has sustained me through flood, hardship, and 110 hr work weeks inventing and building businesses around those inventions...and HAPPY to do it! $ isn't the goal, a better world is the goal $ is just a tool to achieve that...
Don't agree with that. There is no guarantee of any financial prosperity in the life of a Christian. Look at the Jerusalem saints in the first century. They were all poor. That is why Paul took up a collection from the church at Corinth. It took over ten years for that money to reach Jerusalem.
Absolutely! A great reason to wrestle with this concept until you can come to courage and wisdom.
I had a college religion professor insinuate to me in a discussion that the Dave Ramsey program is the prosperity gospel. After the discussion i found more than one video with Dave saying it's not the prosperity gospel.
So, i asked him later on about Proverbs 22:7, and acted like he didn't know about the verse.
The prosperity Gospel comes from pastors.....right? I don't see Dave Ramsey as a pastor, more like a financial advisor who is evangelical Christian.
I read it and without context sure... but with context I am not seeing it. Funny thing context is, it changes everything.
HeySmartGuy 98 They come from certain pastors who want to build mega churches and steal money. You can tell who their are because they use broad statements in the sermons and use the passion translation bible.
Yeah ... pretty sure that his catchline live like no one else today so you can live like no one else later, is referring to putting in a crazy amount of work and effort early on in your life ... most prosperity gospels push people to use God as a personal genie
Proverbs 22.7 means the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is a servant to the lender. If you don't want to be in this situation. Then Say No to borrowing money and work hard and save your money.
Calls like these are why I love and respect Ramsey Solutions!✝️😊
If you're worried that having money is immoral, donate it to the church. If they accept your donation it must be ok to have money.
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I appreciate that Dave talked about both ends of the spectrum. When I was in college, I often felt judged by several of my Christian friends/colleagues just because I had a job making decent money and wasn't pursuing a career in ministry. Those that are in ministry as a profession should be careful about this so that they don't develop a "holier than thou" attitude. They might even take a very literal stance on Jesus' command to "follow me" to the point where they own next to nothing, make no money, and are basically funded or live off of money given by others. You can't have 100% of the church body living this way. It just doesn't work.
It can also go the other way. I was close with a pastor who is now a megachurch pastor wearing $600 shoes. I am not sure if his mistress, at least back then, will ever expose him and their secret child.
@@strnglhld True.
My church, one of the first sermons I heard was how people are made for different things in the body of Christ, some will be the business owners that are blessed to bring money, if God wills it, some you won't be the business you might just serve in church, bring the energy etc.
They talked about the history of our city, where many Christians were actually the owners of businesses that has become big global brands.
They didn't promise we'd all be business owners though, they preached that Prosperity was a poison, and I believe the talking about business owners part was actually when they wanted to complete their trashing of the prosperity gospel by saying don't go towards poverty gospel either.
I appreciate you talking about this subject, Dave! It's great to hear your perspective.
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success
Having money is not a problem, no matter how much you have, as long as you put the Lord first. The Scriptures say "For the love of money is the root of all evil, and some people, craving money, have wandered from their true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10). Never make an idol out of money!
Amen
Money makes a good servant but a bad boss.
I have a lot of money and don’t believe in God. But I’m not evil. I hope you don’t assume that of others.
I’ll take the money you can have Jesus
Agreed, having wealth is a tool that can be used to finish the Great Commission that Jesus Christ commanded for believers to do.
Successful people don't become that way overnight. What most people see at a glance-wealth, a great career, purpose-is the result of hard work and hustle over time.
Yeah! I agree with you sir.
If you want to be successful have the mindset of the rich, spend less and invest More. Don't give up your dreams.
@@christophercook7170 People come here with the aim of chasing money more than knowledge and that will damage your progress, trust me. Chase knowledge first and I promise! The money will follow you just like it's following some of us now.
@@davidmike6847 That's very correct sir!!
And that is why most of them end up losing they money to scammers.
Don't be in a haste to invest. Know what and who you are investing to and be sure that the person will deliver before investing.
Most Christians have no understanding of scripture concerning prosperity. I think Mr. Ramsey did a good job of answering the mans question. I agree with Mr. Ramsey on his idea of long term wealth not trying to get rich quick. Scripture talks about that. There is the sowing and reaping and it does work but the key is did God lead you to do it. People here just a little and think hey I can just do whatever I want and it will work but it doesn’t. We do it Gods way according to scripture not someone’s opinion. Matthew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom and all these things will be added to you. Read that whole chapter. God and His things come first before family, before our own wants etc. like Mr. Ramsey said God is good and he wants to bless us we just have to do it his way. Yes there are crooks in ministry just like any other profession. It doesn’t do away with the real though. As far as people being poor means they’ve done something wrong that’s crazy. Now they may not know God wants them to not be poor because someone told them he does. God has a specific plan for each of our lives and on that plan is the peace of mind, the fulfillment we are missing and also the blessings. Money is a tool it can be used for good or evil. Money and stuff has nothing to do with going to heaven but it does make life here easier. We can’t bless and help others if I don’t have extra at least financially. Gods has been lord on for hundreds of years by the devil deceiving his people. God can bring someone out of poverty in any part of the world no matter how poor you think they are. If people don’t know he’s good they don’t expect him to be good.
Wow Dave thanks for discussing topic. Sir you have my respect. Thanks for your strong convictions and expressing them without shame. Your channel has been a blessing for my marriage.
Dave is the most wise Christian I know speaking about finance. Thank you very much for your ministry, Dave, it is a blessing
This is maybe the best talk I have heard from him on money.
It is so much easier to practice your faith if you are financially secure. It is easier to act ethically and with integrity when you do not have to worry about financial consequences. Being in good shape financially means you do not have to worry if doing the right thing costs you your job. That is the world we are living in.
Dave is in the right track ! The Bible teaches that some ppl are blind to God true teaching . Speaks on a veil . I use to have the veilover my eyes but now I see . I have felt Jesus’ percents and heard His voice ! He is amazing !!
Dave !!! Right on point!! God bless you!!
Individuals are nothing more stewards of his blessings, we own nothing.
01:10 Agreed with Dave, both of the concepts are exaggerated. How about you?
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There are hundreds of scripture about slavery too 🙄 so why is he cherry picking verse's? How can the Bible be insightful
I consider this matter settled. Good on Dave for really tackling this subject. In Mark Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." Jesus gave this answer as a response to a question that boiled down to “is it right to pay taxes to the emperor?” Now the men asking the question were trying to get him in trouble but if they had been sincere, a simple question would have followed “What belongs to God?” I want you to think about what the Bible does fundamentally for us. It does many things but the two fundamental things you should have gleaned from reading it. 1.There is a God 2.He Loves you. Jesus dying on the cross was his message to his willingness to see us with him. In Matthew 6:21 it says”For where your treasure is, there your HEART will be also.” If your HEART is not with God then it’s irrelevant how little or how much you have because honestly, the both of you are in the same boat. God wants YOU! Money is just a piece of paper that has a trust that you can exchange it for goods or services and to treat it in any manner other than this is foolishness.
God wants us to prosper in every area of our lives. That said, we need to work and be worthy of the blessing.
Is that from one of Joel Osteens books?
TheGP that’s just what I believe
3John 1:2 Beloved, I desire that you prosper and be in good health, even as your soul prospers.
2Thessalonians 3:10 If a man will not work let him also not eat.
Deuteronomy 8:18 The LORD gives you power to get wealth to establish His covenant in the earth.
Matthew 25:14-30
20 So, he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’
“Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’
26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
For citations, it is best to go to the source. The rich young ruler shows the heart in the wrong place. Luke 18:18-34. The parable of 10 talents. Matthew 25:14-30. Father provides. Matthew 6:28. Provide for your family 1 Timothy 5:8. Do not be an enabler. Matthew 7:6. Giving. Luke 21:1-4. Tithes and offerings. 2 Corinthians 9:7. Luke 6:38. 1 John 3:17. Matthew 6:24.2 Corinthians 9:1-15. Saving money 1 Corinthians 16:2. Paying your taxes Matthew 17:24-27.
It is pretty clear we are called to be good stewards. We are to handle money wisely. Invest and grow, provide for needy, provide for your needs with savings, pay your taxes, care for your family, etc. Churches teaching greed are wrong. Churches teaching poverty are also wrong. Being fruitful, paying your taxes, wise investing, and above all with a loving heart knowing all your blessings are the Lord's, and you are the steward or caretaker of it. You are the Lord's financial advisor. Treat his gifts with grace and loving care. Do not be the fool and waste it on frivolous things. Save for your retirement so you are not a burden to others. Save for your kids school. Bring money to your church's storehouse so they can provide for the members in time of need. Does your church actually provide for members in time of need? You hear about churches all the time raising money. Do you hear about the churches assisting with rent, utilities, and other needs? The church I attend approached me when my wife died and I was unemployed. An elder approached me and asked if I needed assistance. Due to good stewardship, I did not need assistance yet, but this is how I found out about my local church fulfilling this scripture's requirement. I am back to work and make special donations to the Fellowship Fund at my church to help with members in need during this crisis. Where your money is your heart will be also. Luke 12:15. Matthew 6:19-21.
What source? A translation of a copy of a copy of a copy? Matthew, mark, Luke and John are not even the ones who wrote those books. It's anyomous they never signed their work 🙄
having money doesn't make you a bad person. conversely, just because you have money, doesn't mean you are a good person. it's how you got it, and what you do with it. like adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.
I heard a minister say the best thing. Ministers get pms. Power, money and sex will bring you down.
He said, ministers can be lazy and bring in hoards of money.
Thank you for addressing this!!
“No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions or good ideas. He had money as well”
-Margaret Thatcher
well said
That's a good point. I never thought of it that way. Well said!
Amen.
It doesn't say he had a lot of it. That could of been all he had.
Yuck
LOVE you Dave! Thank you for your ministry!!!
While their is nothing wrong with riches in and of themselves, they also come with a great responsibility attached to them.
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Luke 12:48, "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
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Agur prophesied to Solomon some truths, and this is one of them:
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Proverbs 30:8-9, "
(8) Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
(9) Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain."
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Basically it's best to be somewhere in the middle. It is a lesson for all of us.
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Ecclesiastes 1:2, "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."
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Glory to God
That was one of the best questions, ever. God, has a plan to prosper us, and not to harm us. Plans to give us a hope and a future. Jeremiah 29:11 is one of my favorite Bible scriptures. God, is good!
Don't forget about Job, loved God and was well off. So, having money isn't wrong, for the love of it leads to all kinds of evil. Job knew how to handle what he was blessed with even after losing it all.
Abraham is thought to be one of the wealthiest people to ever walk the earth
@@sierra7534 ALso think of Solomon. Wisdom FIRST then wealth is key. Wealth without Wisdom is like Power without Character. Satanic.
Totally agree Dave, this makes sense. God wants us to be whole, wholeness, in our society must include finances. It’s the love of money, when that’s your goal/motivator, it’s definitely getting off track spiritually. We love/trust God, God then in turn, provides.
Good explanation Dave!
I believe as Christians we are to be good stewards of money and think wisely and I know so many Christians who think " suffering" is a way to pay homage to Jesus. If anything it's offensive. No one can suffer enough to match what Jesus went through so the best way to honor God is to become successful and help others
6:18 yeah explain that to all those that fall into a bunch of money and can't handle it like music artist, sports stars, actors, lotto winners etc. How many times have we heard about these types of people ending up being wreckless with their money and go bankrupt as a result? a lot.
Never thought dave would speak on this, thanks Dave
Love my grandpa Dave! So wise
I’ve been troubled in the spirit about this question.
I read the Legacy Journey. Great book for those curious about how to utilize wealth for Kingdom purposes and influence future generations.
Amen 🙏 😊
I know for a fact that I can’t handle money even though I want more I wouldn’t handle it well
It gets again very clear that alot of people still do not understand how the Kingdom principles work!!
Thanks for this video! Love from Canada 🇨🇦!
The listener asked a great question! Dave Ramsey gives good answers and analysis based upon scripture!
Yep amen 🙏
You can tell at the end Dave really liked that guy.
As a Haitian, I wonder, according to the prosperity gospel, what The Haitian Christians did wrong to be in hopeless poverty. They didn't tithe enough? Manifest their destiny? Believe enough?
F.-J. J. It’s critical to point out, that Christianity is not the official religion/philosophy of Haiti.
They believed in a God that would provide for them. God has done nothing for anybody, yet good people still believe in the fairytale.
Television evangelist Pat Robertson's claimed that Haiti is cursed by a pact with the Devil. Personally I think he is nuts (or senile.)
F.J.J., Poverty is a curse and needs to be broken, even after you become a christian. Many perish for lack of knowledge and knowledge in Word of God. I experienced this. Derek Prince book on blessing and curses or on TH-cam.
The poorest people are the most religious and yet decade after decade even century after century these countries remain the same...really don’t think faith affects the outcome.Corrupt government maintains poverty in certain areas sadly.
Very right Dave , God bless you very real answer from the word of God.
Thank for speaking on the subject. I read The Legacy Journey a few years ago, and I need to go back and review it to keep my headspace squared away.
Dave Ramsey always smacks it!
Greed is the root of all evil, not just the love of money.
DANG!! DAVE NAILED THIS!!
very rightfully devided! its fewer and fewer teachings on this topic dividing it rightfully..
I hope I'm not the only atheist listener of Dave. Because aside from the religious drive of Dave and his ways, he gives some really sound financial advice.
I'm a Christian and I totally agree with you. All people can benefit from Dave's advise.
Same here i am an atheist and like Dave’s teachings and principles.
@James Marquis same can be said for Christians, do what you preach.
@@conquistador2 you're definitely not wrong!
@James Marquis Well, I do think Christians are wrong. But that doesn't mean I'm hateful or bigoted. I just feel like every human deserves to have knowledge available of what we are able to understand. A conviction is nothing more than a glorified opinion. Which by design is subject to scrutiny. Which is fine. But we get from opinion to fact by experimentation, repeatability, peer review, logic, reason and deduction. But perhaps that's just me.
Good discussion
Amen Dave Ramsey ! Thx for clearing this up !God wants up to be Faithful stewards of money . As believers we are allow to obtain money bcuz God wants to bless us . When we are ready He gives us that . God wants us to enjoy the things of this earth. He dosnt want us to be poor and struggle . I use to think similar to that but then I picked up the Bible and started reading God wisdom !!! Thank You Jesus ! Glory to u !
And God don’t love us more or less when we are rich or poor . So stop that !
The word that came to mind is possessions, when people become possessed with what they have it can be detrimental. So being a good steward when good gives you the blessing and using them for the God of your neighbor and your family.
Using them for the Good*
Just read a great novel about this subject. It is called Melchizedek: Kings and Priests
True . Scriptures have to be glorified
In my experience the prosperity gospel ppl tend to worship faith itself instead of the object of our faith. Jesus.
Simply put!!!! It’s true.
Wow Joshua! Interesting perspective
I don’t think most of them understand scripture enough to worship anything other than what their pastor tells them to do. That gospel has ruined so many lives because it teaches ppl to forsake Jesus by chasing whatever it is that will bring them riches instead of chasing Christ. If we seek the kingdom of God and its righteousness, all things will be given to us, ALL. I worked hard all my life and was married to someone who didn’t manage God’s resources well. We stayed in debt and stress. After my divorce I took control of my own finances and took financial peace university. But I lost everything in that marriage so had to start over at 43 yrs old. But I learned so much through Financial Peace University. I got it together but it took about 6 years to recover and even be able to buy another house. But I was fortunate to buy a home that was a foreclosure and repaired it. I got remarried 8 yrs after that marriage and we paid off that house I bought before we married after 4 yrs of marriage so it was paid off in 12 yrs total. We have no debt and we are working on building our 401k’s, our IRA’s and we already have a fully funded emergency account. We have the freedom to support 4 Christian organizations and 1 non Christian organization that do great work in saving lives of children. So money is needed but it should not become our God. Actually what we have ultimately belongs to God. If we could just keep the mindset that not any of what we have belongs to us, we wouldn’t chase the dollar, we would chase God and He would supply every need we have and then some. He does it for me everyday and I have cancer and He provides the resources for me to get the care that I need to continue on as He has me here to do His will. But I will say, being outta debt afforded me to be treated at the number one hospital in the world for the type of cancer I have. We could afford to live in another city on and off for 1 and 1/2 year and still maintain our home easily because we had an emergency fund and no debt. I wouldn’t have gotten the care I received if we had not been financially able to stay in another city to go through the treatments. I don’t like the prosperity gospel because there are holes in their messages but I do believe in being a good steward over everything God has blessed us with and that’s why we have been able to do the things God has us do. But let me tell you this too, my chemo meds are $17,000 plus a month and God supplies that too because the manufacturer gives us the meds for free. They work up something with this hospital to where their patients get the care they need no matter the cost. So for me I see God in everything I do because sometimes it’s not always through money, but not one of us can purchase favor, that a gift and God bestows His gifts on whomever He desires to give them to.
Only God knows your heart, I also know that it pleases God to give what excess you have away, as a way to show your commitment to God...I also know that we as a society know what excess is, even tho we like to toss around the definition of it and pretend it means something different to different people. I also know that we humans, by our very nature will not live without the things we have that make our lives comfortable. I also know that wealthy people define " comfort" differently than the rest of society, and they will inherently justify sustaining that level of comfort.The rest of us can take comfort in knowing it's not up to us to prove that one way or the other... I have never know wealth, but I have known real poverty on a scale that most Americans have not. Everyone will be schooled in their level of sacrifice in their own due time... Including Dave Ramsey,
That's right
I went to a conference by a well known prosperity preacher and Dave gave a teaching there.
THE BIBLE DOES SAY DONT MAKE YOUR GOAL TO BE RICH. You may become rich while walking the Christian walk but it was not your primary focus. Seek first the kingdom of and all these things will be given to you. Be content with what you have today.
Great answer.
Stay in control.
I haven't attended Church in decades. Most of my estate is going to a charity I support.
Jvolstad I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been to church in decades. Most importantly I'm praying you know Jesus and you have a relationship with him. Jesus loves you!!
I agrree with Mr. Ramsey. Thank you for sharing.🙏🙏🙏
Dave, thank you for this message!
I love you my Brother ! ❤️
Good video. I’m glad he covered this.
Money in your hand is good, money in your head is bad - Khabib Nurmagomedov (even an UFC fighter is wiser than many so called expert)
It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than to get a rich man into God's Kingdom, but through God all things are possible.
I agree with most of what DR is saying however I have seen and been a poor person that feeds others. Now are they in a position to do so? Probably not
Thank You Dave!
I would never donate a dime to one of those prosperity gospel megachurches/preachers like Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc.
for real today's church is currpt
I am infected by thoughts about anti wealth movement and still thinking that I have to be poor to be spiritual. And thought about all work is evil and worldly except spiritual church work. Like, I absolutely hate those anti wealth mindset. Please help me to be free from it
Having lived in the developing world, it's simply not correct to suggest that somebody making $38k in the U.S. is that wealthy. The money just doesn't go that far as everything is more expensive, I was feeding myself on about $4 a day and renting a nice apartment for $200 a month, good luck doing anywhere near that well in the U.S..
In the U.S. I eat on $5 a day.
Good to hear yes. I have a friend that's propresty but I need a favor for something personal wow I never got an answer two people call friends did this to me God will provide I see how money change them.
Thanks here from zimbabwe
Don’t listen to Josh, I’m sure he is just a low life. Your killing it Ashley! Keep it up.
Welcome to financial independence sis, in which most of our African people don't believe or consider it to be unrealistic.
I’ve never liked Joel Osteen and his chiseled smile. It’s like Jesus drawing people into church with ice cream, candy and lollipops.
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Blessed to be a blessing!!! 🙌🙌🙌
“I’ve noticed that poor people don’t feed hungry kids!” Wow!
Jesus expressed that the poor would always be among us (in need), that is why believers must have wealth, do they can be a help to the poor! As we help the needy, we are helping Jesus (so to speak)! 🙌🙌🙌
What we do for those in need (the poor and needy) we do to Jesus!
This video is a my study on this Beautiful Sunday
I love Dave Ramsey
What a balanced answer!
What's really wrong with the prosperity gospel is the fact that it doesn't ever tell people or hold people accountable to work and earn their dollar. It also doesn't preach staying out of debt and budgeting and investing. And that's the difference between Dave and those prosperity preachers.
There are different “flavors” of faith. There are people that truly believe that God exist but don’t believe that God will interfere with money.
Great conversation
as some1 who believes in the "prosperity gospel" as they call it I loved this
Thank you for speaking The truth Dave!!!
Money makes the world go around. But the the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Where your treasure is there will your heart be also?
The Bible teaches us how to prosper. Prosperity is not the problem. The heart of man and the sin nature are the problems of man. It's not wrong to prosper or else the church would have no support! Your family would lack support! If it's wrong to prosper, then work for free, never take a raise, and never receive a gift from anyone for any reason because all of that are forms of prosperity.