I have loved all of your class guides you have done. Not sure if you plan on making more for the frosthaven unlockable characters but I really hope you do. Thanks for your hard work and in-depth look into the characters!
one of the benefits of fell remedy is that its 2 separate heals so first can remove poison and second actually heal you and even at level 1 that allows another summon cast. Not a huge thing but worth noting.
Yes good point! I do think a poison could be a big setback for the Boneshaper as it can really hinder your ability to summon. This character will certainly need to prioritise some early heal items to really smooth those issues out.
Also noticed putrid cloud bottom doesn't designate "Melee" attack or give a range. Logically it would be a small cloud around the summons or mercenary but the way its worded archers would also be affected.
Great review of this class. I agree with your level 9 choice and analysis but I think it still gives a real choice to make at that level. I think both cards can be very useful. Looking forward to the other reviews
Here are few things i found in Gloomhaven forums , its about Figures and Monster meaning : Monsters - Monsters are figures that are enemies to the characters. Figures- All monsters and characters - anything that takes a turn in a round - are considered figures.
Seems very odd to me though that it says monsters rather than enemies right? The only reason I guess for this is it cover all standard, elites and boss enemies but still just feels a bit odd in its wording. I didn’t catch it at all when filming but when I was editing i caught it as a bit a weird.
@@MandatoryQuest It says "monster" because objectives are enemies but a rock pillar doesn't have a soul to claim, essentially. (Edit just for clarity: summons are not monsters)
I guess this wording means "normal and elite monster", and enemy is also objectives and bosses. So Soul Claim does not trigger from objectives and bosses
I love how you say "Burn" instead of "Lost"... you definitely have been exposed a lot to the digital version of Gloomhaven. :-D Which is great! Keep it up, can't wait for the final two FH starters!
I haven’t played the tabletop version and only recently got into the digital version, and I’m wondering what people say to use “Lost” as a verb. Is it just “Lose?” That seems a little strange, but it doesn’t not make sense. “Burn” and “Burned” make more sense to me, but I have a history with other card games that use that language, and “Lose/Lost” feels like a less effective way to get that idea across.
The only thing against unholy prowess is that up until level 9 you and your party should have already found a way to work around the damage you suffer from summons or other card abilities. At that point an initiative 10 card with two absolutely nutty and repeatable attacks sounds more fun to me. I really like that choice these level 9 cards are giving you though, do you wanna "free" your character or do you wanna deal devastating attacks 3 or 4 times a scenario? At this point in a characters "career" I'm doing devastating fun attacks. PS that level 8 summon changed my mind completely about this character. Just good stupid fun, a lot of time to invest to get there though.
im close to retiring my blinkblade and only unlocked trap and snowflake so far and i think this is my next character. it looks so fun to play and the and the synergies and thematics going on seems so well thought out
Grave Digging gives you a chance to use a bottom action for a summon, at the cost of the 1 extra damage. So that with a top summon you can get two out on the board in a single turn.
Yes I think it’s good for swarming the board, but managing your health is going to make every point of damage really important. It’s going to be interesting where the balance will ultimately end up, although I expect party composition and the enemies you face will really affect it.
Agree...I think until you get to level 4 or 5, health is going to be a struggle to manage. That Level 9 card will be a game changer, but by then you will be so badass you might not need it ;)
Really interesting planning on making this my first character. Its almost like a really unusual tank build depending on the other classes could be very helpful.
The early summons on this character kinda remind me of the move Substitute in Pokémon games. Sacrificing a chunk of your health to create a decoy that will take a hit that could potentially kill you
I've always loved the health as a resource mechanic in every game that has it. Lets hope you can find a way to keep the skeletons coming with some healing items.
Yeah mostly because the rewards have not been fully confirmed yet. Last we heard it’s a big XP reward, which is nice but I don’t think that really changes much apart from speeding up your progression.
I think the Summon Stitched Atrocity (Lvl 5 Top) does not work well with Putrid Cloud (Lvl 3 Top), because Putrid Cloud gives Attack 2 and not Attack +2. You woudn't even get the wound, because Putrid Cloud defines the Attack and not the Summon you blow up. So the Stitched Atrocity as a lost card is way too precious to blow up...
1:13:22 - Are we positive that Putrid Cloud (level 3) will work with the wound effect of the Stitched Atrocity (level 5)? Putrid Cloud doesn’t count as an attack by a summon, does it? Other cards that make your summons attack read something like, “Give one of your summons Attack + X.” However, Putrid Cloud reads, “Designate one of your summons AND PERFORM Attack 2,” which almost seems to me like the attack is being performed by the spell that our merc cast on their summon after designating a summon to cast it on and to deal additional effects through (the AOE damage and poison) and to (destroying it), instead of the attack being performed by the summon itself. Although I don’t know if there’s some summon mechanic related to this that I don’t know about; I’m pretty new to the Haven games and I’ve only played through the first two GH scenarios so far, so I could easily be wrong on this. But the wording of Putrid Cloud by itself makes me think that the wound wouldn’t occur if Putrid Cloud is used on the Stitched Atrocity.
I think your right actually having re-read the card. It is the Boneshaper doing the attack not the summon, so it would not get any of the added effects of the summons attack. Not quite as cool unfortunately.
@@MandatoryQuest Would this be considered a ranged or melee attack? For the purpose of disadvantage and items. It doesn't specify range or targeting which would mean line of sight doesn't matter. Isaac's new format still doesn't fix many of the old confusing rules.
@@sandys6553 pretty sure it would be considered a melee attack. Although I am getting flashbacks of Clear the Way on the Cragheart. The key to that card though was that it specified range initially, but Putrid Cloud does not specify a range at any point.
im not worked up about the level 9 skeletal summon being bad, not when the bottom half is so good and the levrl 8 skeleton summon already gives you all the skeleboss you cpuld ask for.
I think you are underestimating the top of wailing from beyond. There is a nice synergy between giving the enemy curses and giving them muddle. Attacking and cursing 3 enemies with this card shouldn't be that hard. Just use a bottom action to move a skeleton next to 2 or 3 enemies and then shoot them with wailing from beyond. This card should effectively add 2 or 3 curses with each play. Combined with the other curse cards you should be able to add a good amount of curses to the enemy deck. It would go really well when you have the bottom of critical failure out. Also the muddle would make ranged enemies not walk away from your skeletons. So your skeletons can hit them if they draw that curse with you have critical failure out. The class will have a nice amount of repeatable curses by now. The bottom of damned horde, the top of enternal torment. bottom of bone dagger.
Recently reminded myself that Frosthaven (and by extension, Gloomhaven) are things that exist, so looking up information on it as I wish I had friends to play it with. But there is one thing that confused me as I watched this class review: Why do you mention the initiative number before the bottom action? I think that the initiative number would be best reviewed after talking about BOTH of the things that a card could do.
I just generally go top of card to bottom, no other reason just a more genuine reaction. If the initiative is relevant or perhaps counter to the ability I usually highlight it. Generally all characters want a mix of late and early, although probably leaning a bit more towards early to get the jump on the enemy. Sometimes the initiative and ability need to go hand in hand which ill note if needed, but sometimes an early initiative can just be used exactly as that and just played as a move 2. Its hard to strictly evaluate initiative on a single card because of course you could always use the other card instead too. Once I get my hands on the game and do full guides the two card pairings will be more apparent.
I don't understand... When it says 'grant' does that mean that a summon for instance gets +1 to its attack value forever? Even after death when it gets resummoned after a long or short rest?
I'm very confused by Bone Horde. Summons move according to monster AI. You can grant move abilities, but they don't say you control the action. It would only be by chance that a Shambling Skeleton's movement would intersect with the Bone Horde. They would move to an unoccupied hex to attack an enemy, which is not the Bone Horde. I just don't see how this is supposed to work.
You now control all grant move actions in the new FH rules. This was to allow them to drop the "with you controlling the actions" text on many many cards in FH.
I'm afraid your idea, that the word "monster" on the card Soul Claim (Lvl 7) could also be your own summon, doesn't work. In the rulebook it says in the chapter "Allies, Enemies, and Self": "Characters are allies to other characters, monsters are allies to other monsters, and characters and monsters are enemies to each other." If your summon were a monster, it would be your enemy and that's not the case. But I agree that the terminology is not good.
Sadly, I don't think Stitched Abomination works with Putrid Cloud the way you (and, let's be honest, I) want it to. Apart from killing the abom (which is a loss summon and thus you can't get it back), the way I read Putrid Cloud is YOU make the attacks, NOT the designated summon. If that's the correct reading, you wouldn't get the wound in that case.
Yeah maybe would be interesting to learn if it’s you or the summon making the attack. Although I’m not sure if the trade off is really worth it quite honestly if it does apply the wound or not. Probably a bit of an edge case thing rather than a real strategy to play towards.
I think you lost your mind about the Bone horde at level 8 and didn't consider Wailing from Beyond very well. Yes, you can only add one curse to the deck for each enemy adjacent to one of your summons. But you also add one curse for EACH ENEMY adjacent to at least one of your summons. If you're playing with four players, and you've got three summons out and they can form a line, or even just spread out enough to get lots of adjacency, then play Wailing from beyond, it'll be possible to add four, six, maybe more curses to the deck. If you've already put out Critical Failure for the bottom, suddenly your summons start getting lots of extra attacks. And Wailing from Beyond is not a burn card, so with just a little bit of help with granted movement, you can do it several times for four curses each time.
No doubt it could be very strong but it’s also very magical Christmas land in my opinion. Perhaps when paired with the Bannerspear you’ll have enough granted movement to maximise it better, but I think on average it’s going to end up being a curse 3/4 which although not bad is not enough for me to take it over the fun that bone horde gives you. If your up against a swarming style enemy like vermilings then your odds go up of course, but what against an average scenario of mixed melee and ranged enemies all spaced out on larger tiles. It just has too much variance on its own for me to say we can reliably make it curse 5/6 although I’m sure if you build around it you can get decent results. It’s also a very slow strategy that I think even with Critical Failure just runs the risk of being just a little too cute. Will be fun to try out though.
Wailing from beyond only adds 1 curse per target. It's a target 3 attack that conditionally adds 1 curse per target. But getting 2 or 3 curses with each use should be easy to do.
Good review! boneshaper or blinkblade is going to be my first character. Only doubt with boneshaper if she plays well in a 2 player campaign. That last perk is so good I think, it saves you a first turn.
Hey Sven, I hope you got your game and have already been enjoying it. I know it's been a year, but I am curious as to which 2 characters you decided on. If you went with the Boneshaper, I think the natural companion would be the Banner Spear. She has a couple of ways to put regenerate on an ally which would help offset the Boneshaper's health loss from summoning.
I think the bottom of Unholy Prowess is a bit... obsolete at level 9. By that time you'll probably have enough health to spam Skeletons (and remember you have repeatable heal depending on number of summons you control). So this is the only choice I disagree here
Yeah maybe, we have 14 health at level 9 so perhaps that will be enough to support you. However I really like the idea of just never having to worry about it again, and actually completely siding out all your heal self cards to just go all in on the self damage stuff will be very freeing. The other level 9 is very strong though but it doesn’t do anything particularly interesting for me.
Bone Horde saying “kill” is very crucial; it procs the heal on death card and suddenly turns your skeletons into walking batteries for both the horde and your party’s HP.
Yep loving the synergy, its kind of a shame you have to wait so long to get it. I might actually come back to the Boneshaper later in the game to start at a higher level as long as the prosperity system works the same.
Just looking at the card..... i feel like this class is pretty weak, once compared to the banner spear, and in general, it looks like the power level of the classes in frosthaven is reaaly lower then the power level of gloomhaven classes.... Thematically i like this very much, but looking at the card, i am not excited at all.... :(
I think it’s power level is deceptive. On the surface it looks kind of mediocre, but just having an unending supply of summons to tank hits, block pathways, and do some damage will really add up. Hard to say for sure until we get to play with it, but I think there’s some good potential here. The general power level of classes with be lower in Frosthaven for sure I’d say, and that’s really just because they have learnt from GH just how good certain things are.
@@MandatoryQuest I can understand why they toned down the classes a bit buuuut..... I'd have really prefered them to make the game harder, the monster tougher to keep the power level of all character consistent... Why? Because i'd love to play some community campaign or some custom scenarios, while moxing and matching all the classes from all the box set.
@@MsZoeval Yeah I do agree with you. Its never really fun as a player to have tools taken away from you. Its generally better to just make the challenges/enemies harder instead. I really hope that the general power level lowering is not going to rob us of those "wow that was so cool" type moments we got in GH.
The new sci-fi style for the player mat and cards is really bad for the game, it's such a dissonance with the fantasy setting. Edit: Oh lord the minimalist look is awful, these feel hard to read. And what's with the random ! exclamation marks all over.
I'm not sure why you keep going on about the summons dying early if they enemy kills or more likely over kills a summon not only did U not take the damage U are protected from a crit at the cost of a reusable card and 2 life my guess. That's great way better than a tank getting pounded on. I think Ur missing the point to use them as a meat shield, have you not played any arpgs . Skeles are meat shields. Great review as always but I think maybe inform ppl to use them as meatshields and not be upset if they die early is a far better way to look at them.
The problem is you have many cards that require them to be alive at the start of your turn to use them. If you have poor initiative this can be hard as you can’t always predict enemies. Those cards are useless if your skeletons are already dead and you don’t have the life pool early game to infinitely resummon them. Yes they can be great little meat shields but if that’s all they do I think the character will be very one dimensional and ultimately just stall the game out without progressing towards winning. That strat also weakens at 4P with more enemies on the board than skeletons. I think you want to use them tactically to take hits especially before you long rest but it shouldn’t be the basis of your strategy, or at least it won’t be mine.
I have loved all of your class guides you have done. Not sure if you plan on making more for the frosthaven unlockable characters but I really hope you do. Thanks for your hard work and in-depth look into the characters!
one of the benefits of fell remedy is that its 2 separate heals so first can remove poison and second actually heal you and even at level 1 that allows another summon cast. Not a huge thing but worth noting.
Yes good point! I do think a poison could be a big setback for the Boneshaper as it can really hinder your ability to summon. This character will certainly need to prioritise some early heal items to really smooth those issues out.
Also noticed putrid cloud bottom doesn't designate "Melee" attack or give a range. Logically it would be a small cloud around the summons or mercenary but the way its worded archers would also be affected.
Great review of this class. I agree with your level 9 choice and analysis but I think it still gives a real choice to make at that level. I think both cards can be very useful. Looking forward to the other reviews
Here are few things i found in Gloomhaven forums , its about Figures and Monster meaning :
Monsters - Monsters are figures that are enemies to the characters.
Figures- All monsters and characters - anything that takes a turn in a round - are considered figures.
Seems very odd to me though that it says monsters rather than enemies right? The only reason I guess for this is it cover all standard, elites and boss enemies but still just feels a bit odd in its wording. I didn’t catch it at all when filming but when I was editing i caught it as a bit a weird.
@@MandatoryQuest It says "monster" because objectives are enemies but a rock pillar doesn't have a soul to claim, essentially. (Edit just for clarity: summons are not monsters)
I guess this wording means "normal and elite monster", and enemy is also objectives and bosses. So Soul Claim does not trigger from objectives and bosses
Ahhh that makes a lot more sense, thanks Gripe!
I love how you say "Burn" instead of "Lost"... you definitely have been exposed a lot to the digital version of Gloomhaven. :-D Which is great! Keep it up, can't wait for the final two FH starters!
I think its also a term Hearthstone and some other card games have smuggled into my game vernacular too :)
I haven’t played the tabletop version and only recently got into the digital version, and I’m wondering what people say to use “Lost” as a verb. Is it just “Lose?” That seems a little strange, but it doesn’t not make sense. “Burn” and “Burned” make more sense to me, but I have a history with other card games that use that language, and “Lose/Lost” feels like a less effective way to get that idea across.
The only thing against unholy prowess is that up until level 9 you and your party should have already found a way to work around the damage you suffer from summons or other card abilities. At that point an initiative 10 card with two absolutely nutty and repeatable attacks sounds more fun to me. I really like that choice these level 9 cards are giving you though, do you wanna "free" your character or do you wanna deal devastating attacks 3 or 4 times a scenario? At this point in a characters "career" I'm doing devastating fun attacks.
PS that level 8 summon changed my mind completely about this character. Just good stupid fun, a lot of time to invest to get there though.
Surprised there's not a little more variety with the types of summons but a pretty cool class overall. Thanks for the review!
Yeah maybe would of been nice to have a few more, but you also don’t want to make the character just a rehash of the unlockable one from GH right?
im close to retiring my blinkblade and only unlocked trap and snowflake so far and i think this is my next character. it looks so fun to play and the and the synergies and thematics going on seems so well thought out
Grave Digging gives you a chance to use a bottom action for a summon, at the cost of the 1 extra damage. So that with a top summon you can get two out on the board in a single turn.
Yes I think it’s good for swarming the board, but managing your health is going to make every point of damage really important. It’s going to be interesting where the balance will ultimately end up, although I expect party composition and the enemies you face will really affect it.
Agree...I think until you get to level 4 or 5, health is going to be a struggle to manage. That Level 9 card will be a game changer, but by then you will be so badass you might not need it ;)
@@michaeledmonds4849 I guess if you had such a high rep you could come in at level 9 and pick the ultimate build then you could just go crazy :)
Really interesting planning on making this my first character. Its almost like a really unusual tank build depending on the other classes could be very helpful.
Yes has a lot of utility for tanking now with the replayable summons.
Command the Wretched is critical for goals that require you to kill things (your summons count as you for kills)
The early summons on this character kinda remind me of the move Substitute in Pokémon games. Sacrificing a chunk of your health to create a decoy that will take a hit that could potentially kill you
I've always loved the health as a resource mechanic in every game that has it. Lets hope you can find a way to keep the skeletons coming with some healing items.
I noticed you haven't been talking about the Masteries for each character in your videos.
Yeah mostly because the rewards have not been fully confirmed yet. Last we heard it’s a big XP reward, which is nice but I don’t think that really changes much apart from speeding up your progression.
Awesome review!!
I think the Summon Stitched Atrocity (Lvl 5 Top) does not work well with Putrid Cloud (Lvl 3 Top), because Putrid Cloud gives Attack 2 and not Attack +2. You woudn't even get the wound, because Putrid Cloud defines the Attack and not the Summon you blow up. So the Stitched Atrocity as a lost card is way too precious to blow up...
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Flow the black river: “Grant one of your summons Move 2”…. Does that mean you don’t control it?
Endless Numbers: “you may”….. oooh!
The word “grant” now means it is player controlled. They got fed up of writing “with you controlling the action” on every card :)
Just a question . Has there been a video made for drifter updated or All cards review ? If not , is that one coming soon ?
That’s coming soon I only have drifter and blink blade left to do :)
1:13:22 - Are we positive that Putrid Cloud (level 3) will work with the wound effect of the Stitched Atrocity (level 5)? Putrid Cloud doesn’t count as an attack by a summon, does it? Other cards that make your summons attack read something like, “Give one of your summons Attack + X.” However, Putrid Cloud reads, “Designate one of your summons AND PERFORM Attack 2,” which almost seems to me like the attack is being performed by the spell that our merc cast on their summon after designating a summon to cast it on and to deal additional effects through (the AOE damage and poison) and to (destroying it), instead of the attack being performed by the summon itself. Although I don’t know if there’s some summon mechanic related to this that I don’t know about; I’m pretty new to the Haven games and I’ve only played through the first two GH scenarios so far, so I could easily be wrong on this. But the wording of Putrid Cloud by itself makes me think that the wound wouldn’t occur if Putrid Cloud is used on the Stitched Atrocity.
I think your right actually having re-read the card. It is the Boneshaper doing the attack not the summon, so it would not get any of the added effects of the summons attack. Not quite as cool unfortunately.
@@MandatoryQuest Would this be considered a ranged or melee attack? For the purpose of disadvantage and items. It doesn't specify range or targeting which would mean line of sight doesn't matter. Isaac's new format still doesn't fix many of the old confusing rules.
@@sandys6553 pretty sure it would be considered a melee attack. Although I am getting flashbacks of Clear the Way on the Cragheart. The key to that card though was that it specified range initially, but Putrid Cloud does not specify a range at any point.
I’m late to the party but the bottom of endless numbers can do similar things.
great video, as usual!
Thanks glad you liked it
"Original Kind of fantasy tropes" are good.
im not worked up about the level 9 skeletal summon being bad, not when the bottom half is so good and the levrl 8 skeleton summon already gives you all the skeleboss you cpuld ask for.
I think you are underestimating the top of wailing from beyond. There is a nice synergy between giving the enemy curses and giving them muddle. Attacking and cursing 3 enemies with this card shouldn't be that hard. Just use a bottom action to move a skeleton next to 2 or 3 enemies and then shoot them with wailing from beyond. This card should effectively add 2 or 3 curses with each play. Combined with the other curse cards you should be able to add a good amount of curses to the enemy deck. It would go really well when you have the bottom of critical failure out.
Also the muddle would make ranged enemies not walk away from your skeletons. So your skeletons can hit them if they draw that curse with you have critical failure out.
The class will have a nice amount of repeatable curses by now. The bottom of damned horde, the top of enternal torment. bottom of bone dagger.
Recently reminded myself that Frosthaven (and by extension, Gloomhaven) are things that exist, so looking up information on it as I wish I had friends to play it with. But there is one thing that confused me as I watched this class review: Why do you mention the initiative number before the bottom action? I think that the initiative number would be best reviewed after talking about BOTH of the things that a card could do.
I just generally go top of card to bottom, no other reason just a more genuine reaction. If the initiative is relevant or perhaps counter to the ability I usually highlight it. Generally all characters want a mix of late and early, although probably leaning a bit more towards early to get the jump on the enemy. Sometimes the initiative and ability need to go hand in hand which ill note if needed, but sometimes an early initiative can just be used exactly as that and just played as a move 2. Its hard to strictly evaluate initiative on a single card because of course you could always use the other card instead too. Once I get my hands on the game and do full guides the two card pairings will be more apparent.
I don't understand... When it says 'grant' does that mean that a summon for instance gets +1 to its attack value forever? Even after death when it gets resummoned after a long or short rest?
No its an action that makes the summon perform its base attack with its base value +1
I'm very confused by Bone Horde. Summons move according to monster AI. You can grant move abilities, but they don't say you control the action. It would only be by chance that a Shambling Skeleton's movement would intersect with the Bone Horde. They would move to an unoccupied hex to attack an enemy, which is not the Bone Horde. I just don't see how this is supposed to work.
You now control all grant move actions in the new FH rules. This was to allow them to drop the "with you controlling the actions" text on many many cards in FH.
I'm afraid your idea, that the word "monster" on the card Soul Claim (Lvl 7) could also be your own summon, doesn't work. In the rulebook it says in the chapter "Allies, Enemies, and Self":
"Characters are allies to other characters, monsters are allies to other monsters, and characters and monsters are enemies to each other." If your summon were a monster, it would be your enemy and that's not the case. But I agree that the terminology is not good.
Yes finally!!!
Sorry for the wait!
Sadly, I don't think Stitched Abomination works with Putrid Cloud the way you (and, let's be honest, I) want it to. Apart from killing the abom (which is a loss summon and thus you can't get it back), the way I read Putrid Cloud is YOU make the attacks, NOT the designated summon. If that's the correct reading, you wouldn't get the wound in that case.
Yeah maybe would be interesting to learn if it’s you or the summon making the attack. Although I’m not sure if the trade off is really worth it quite honestly if it does apply the wound or not. Probably a bit of an edge case thing rather than a real strategy to play towards.
You are correct, you make the attack, not the summon.
@@drew23555 booo no fun! makes sense though as it seemed a bit strong albeit a major investment :)
I think you lost your mind about the Bone horde at level 8 and didn't consider Wailing from Beyond very well. Yes, you can only add one curse to the deck for each enemy adjacent to one of your summons. But you also add one curse for EACH ENEMY adjacent to at least one of your summons. If you're playing with four players, and you've got three summons out and they can form a line, or even just spread out enough to get lots of adjacency, then play Wailing from beyond, it'll be possible to add four, six, maybe more curses to the deck. If you've already put out Critical Failure for the bottom, suddenly your summons start getting lots of extra attacks. And Wailing from Beyond is not a burn card, so with just a little bit of help with granted movement, you can do it several times for four curses each time.
No doubt it could be very strong but it’s also very magical Christmas land in my opinion. Perhaps when paired with the Bannerspear you’ll have enough granted movement to maximise it better, but I think on average it’s going to end up being a curse 3/4 which although not bad is not enough for me to take it over the fun that bone horde gives you. If your up against a swarming style enemy like vermilings then your odds go up of course, but what against an average scenario of mixed melee and ranged enemies all spaced out on larger tiles. It just has too much variance on its own for me to say we can reliably make it curse 5/6 although I’m sure if you build around it you can get decent results. It’s also a very slow strategy that I think even with Critical Failure just runs the risk of being just a little too cute. Will be fun to try out though.
Wailing from beyond only adds 1 curse per target. It's a target 3 attack that conditionally adds 1 curse per target. But getting 2 or 3 curses with each use should be easy to do.
How dare you mention wearing summon items and not mention the greatest of all in Gloomhaven…FALCON!!!
Hahaha Sssshhh major spoiler 🤫
Good review! boneshaper or blinkblade is going to be my first character. Only doubt with boneshaper if she plays well in a 2 player campaign. That last perk is so good I think, it saves you a first turn.
Hey Sven, I hope you got your game and have already been enjoying it. I know it's been a year, but I am curious as to which 2 characters you decided on. If you went with the Boneshaper, I think the natural companion would be the Banner Spear. She has a couple of ways to put regenerate on an ally which would help offset the Boneshaper's health loss from summoning.
I think the bottom of Unholy Prowess is a bit... obsolete at level 9. By that time you'll probably have enough health to spam Skeletons (and remember you have repeatable heal depending on number of summons you control). So this is the only choice I disagree here
Yeah maybe, we have 14 health at level 9 so perhaps that will be enough to support you. However I really like the idea of just never having to worry about it again, and actually completely siding out all your heal self cards to just go all in on the self damage stuff will be very freeing. The other level 9 is very strong though but it doesn’t do anything particularly interesting for me.
@@MandatoryQuest Yeah, I think both cards are solid choices and require testing of different builds at least
@@МаксимМиронов-ш2т yeah its nice to actually have two legitimate choices at level 9
Bone Horde saying “kill” is very crucial; it procs the heal on death card and suddenly turns your skeletons into walking batteries for both the horde and your party’s HP.
Yep loving the synergy, its kind of a shame you have to wait so long to get it. I might actually come back to the Boneshaper later in the game to start at a higher level as long as the prosperity system works the same.
Just looking at the card.....
i feel like this class is pretty weak, once compared to the banner spear, and in general, it looks like the power level of the classes in frosthaven is reaaly lower then the power level of gloomhaven classes....
Thematically i like this very much, but looking at the card, i am not excited at all.... :(
I think it’s power level is deceptive. On the surface it looks kind of mediocre, but just having an unending supply of summons to tank hits, block pathways, and do some damage will really add up. Hard to say for sure until we get to play with it, but I think there’s some good potential here. The general power level of classes with be lower in Frosthaven for sure I’d say, and that’s really just because they have learnt from GH just how good certain things are.
@@MandatoryQuest I can understand why they toned down the classes a bit buuuut.....
I'd have really prefered them to make the game harder, the monster tougher to keep the power level of all character consistent...
Why?
Because i'd love to play some community campaign or some custom scenarios, while moxing and matching all the classes from all the box set.
@@MsZoeval Yeah I do agree with you. Its never really fun as a player to have tools taken away from you. Its generally better to just make the challenges/enemies harder instead. I really hope that the general power level lowering is not going to rob us of those "wow that was so cool" type moments we got in GH.
The new sci-fi style for the player mat and cards is really bad for the game, it's such a dissonance with the fantasy setting.
Edit: Oh lord the minimalist look is awful, these feel hard to read. And what's with the random ! exclamation marks all over.
I'm not sure why you keep going on about the summons dying early if they enemy kills or more likely over kills a summon not only did U not take the damage U are protected from a crit at the cost of a reusable card and 2 life my guess. That's great way better than a tank getting pounded on. I think Ur missing the point to use them as a meat shield, have you not played any arpgs . Skeles are meat shields. Great review as always but I think maybe inform ppl to use them as meatshields and not be upset if they die early is a far better way to look at them.
The problem is you have many cards that require them to be alive at the start of your turn to use them. If you have poor initiative this can be hard as you can’t always predict enemies. Those cards are useless if your skeletons are already dead and you don’t have the life pool early game to infinitely resummon them. Yes they can be great little meat shields but if that’s all they do I think the character will be very one dimensional and ultimately just stall the game out without progressing towards winning. That strat also weakens at 4P with more enemies on the board than skeletons. I think you want to use them tactically to take hits especially before you long rest but it shouldn’t be the basis of your strategy, or at least it won’t be mine.
Bone Horde makes me think of the Rat King boss from Last of Us Part 2
the mindthief's rat king on steroids