I think Zhongli would know about what the gnoses truly are since the only reason he gave up his gnosis was because of the contract he made with the Cryo Archon. He willingly gave it up.
On the surface Zhongli gave up his gnosis for 2 reasons, 1. Because he no longer desired to be geo archon and wished for liyue to rule itself 2. Because he claims he will soon begin to suffer from erosion and that takes its more dangerous form when there is immense power at play The biggest question regarding the whole zhonlgi situation is what the tsarista gave zhongli to balance out him giving up his gnosis, but regardless of whether or not he knows the truth behind the gnoses he and the rest of the archons know they are valuable.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He was very powerful even before he got his gnosis so don't think it's a main reason why he did that, he definitely hides something.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He said he lost the ability to create Mora right? He was the God Of Geo before he was an Archon. Don't forget, he is extremely strong with, or without the Gnosis. The Gnosis is more of a catalyst. As Nahida said, it focuses elemental power. It's like the weapon of a swordsman, even without the weapon, he isn't all that weaker even with weaker swords
That wasnt the reason, that was the means. The real reason was because he didnt want to be an archon anymore as in his eyes humanity could protect themselves now. So he made a contract in which if the humans and adepti could defend liyue without him interfering then he would step down as an archon and give up his Gnosis. He bet against himself, let the fatui do whatever they wanted to do (wake up osial) all so the humans and adepti had to defend Liyue and prove his point, the contract that ends all contracts. Liyue is free of their archon rules, the fatui get the gnosis and Zhong can act like a normal person now. So yeah, the contract with the Fatui was just a means to achieve the end he wanted. Like he explains the gnosis only purpose for him (at that point) was to make mora, something he won't have to do when he is not in power (because he is still an archon), so why not leverage it to free liyue and himself od Celestia machinations?
Ei and Nahida are definitely open books. it's just that Ei was too tunnel-visioned on Makoto getting killed that she didn't see much during the Cataclysm. and Nahida was born after the death of Rukkha so she definitely didn't know much about it.
About Nahida not having the full picture despite her access to Irminsul. If the Gnosis are remains of a Descender then details about them likely aren't in the memory of Irminsul (much like how the Traveler doesn't belong to Teyvat). As for Venti, he has been established to lie when he deems it needed. I suspect he does know more than he lets on (though probably not the whole picture). Raiden and Focalors just don't have any reason to care much about their respective Gnosis. Who knows about Zhongli. As for the handing out of visions. My guess is that it is a semi automated process that the divine thrones themselves handle and that Archons only have access to the throne's authority, not full control of it (a fail safe for Celestia to maintain control). Neuvillette has the ability to hand out visions directly because he has complete control over the authority of hydro since the divine throne was destroyed (no interference).
I don't think neuvillette will give vision to furina though, knowing how much suffering she had for so long, how could he gave her responsibility to bear a power that many look for. It is stated that it's the seven overseer and we know it is different from archon which the youtuber weirdly don't as Ei herself stated that she never give any electro vision yet it is still happening even inside Inazuma, right?
hmm. I often hear our sibiling has information in irminsul despite coming from beyond the stars because khanirah did something to intertwine their fate with that of teyvat, so shouldnt the same be true of the third descender whose "remains" are used to keep the order in teyvat? I fully agree with your second point, that seems like the most likely answer
I think the archons authorities are the overseers and the thrones but these aren't the same as archons of Teyvat, I think they're linked by divinity and the gnosis but they're split. I think how the archons in Celestia see, is through the archons on Teyvat and or the gnosis.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia The sibling is no longer referred to as a Descender remember? He/She depending on which sibling you use is now considered a local of Teyvat, even if they come from the Realm of stars. Now the Third Descenders remains upholding the laws of Teyvat doesn't necessarily make him a part of it. The Traveller didn't become a Teyvat local just by being there. What happened to the sibling should have other mysteries
Kinda off topic but I’ve noticed that every archon is a pure for, of their respective element, or was born from a pure form or originally a pure form of it. Venti was a wind spirit Zhongli I believe was a earth spirit, unless the info I read was wrong Ei and makoto if the info I read was correct were born from pure electro energy Nahida and rhukkadevata are of the same species, I guess. Not sure what word to use, but they are both the avatars of irminsul, and nahida was born from the purest branch of irminsul. Which would be pure dendro energy. And finally egeria was the heart of the primordial sea, which is literally water and that would be a pure form of hydro, and focalors was originally a oceanid which I believe is a pure hydro elemental life form.
I was curious about the Archons lying as well so, I did a little research myself and this is what I found. (Seven ideas for seven Gods) It’s a contract between the Archons and Celestia. This contract was signed 2000 years ago. When the Traveler asked Jhongli about their twin, Jhongli had said he had signed a contract and that he wouldn’t break that said contract to tell the Traveler about their twin. I’m just guessing but, I’m thinking all Archons have signed the same contract because it says “whereby the Archons agreed to act as the rulers and jailers of humanity by making sure they cannnot/will not rebel against the power of celestia.” I’m also thinking that’s when the Archons got the gnosis so Celestial could spy on Teyvat to make sure the Archons were staying true to their contract. It does put things into perspective and why the Archons gave the gnosis to the Fatui. Last stop is Natlan, we know that Captain will eventually get the gnosis and I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. I’m super excited! Great video btw!
Ei Voice lines shows she's confused about Why Electro visions have stopped but it's clear that she likely knows HOW visions are given but she has NO SAY in the Process. She's Confused because that Process is separate from her at least as she believes it to be.
The way I see it, an archon makes a bunch of Visions (or at least blanks for them), loads them into the throne, and considers their job done. Now it's up to the mortals and whatever opaque rules Celestia uses to notice them to claim the Visions.
She probably has some influence over it though, at least subconsciously, because no new Visions were given out when the Vision Hunt Decree was ongoing.
After 4.2, the dialogue between Zhongli and Azhdaha sounds different. "I'm no longer the geo archon." "I can sense it." But how does an archon resign, really? Now that we know gnosis and authorities over the elements are different things, it seems only the divine seat defines who is an archon. The gnosis can totally be absent and said god is still an archon. And from the catalysm we can see this divine seat won't be vacant for long. Soon, successors will emerge. But, no new geo archon has emerged thus far. So, what was azhdaha sensing in Zhongli that made him know he is no longer the geo archon? Either Zhongli is still archon but just abandoned his duty, or somehow he also blew up the geo seat and transferred the authority...somewhere else.
@The_original_one That's the problem. Gnosis doesn't make an archon. All the archons we met except focalors and morax gave away their gnosi yet continued to be archons. We don't even know what's the impact of losing the gnosis since none of them seem to lose any significant power after giving the gnosis away. Or maybe azhdaha is dumb. Him alone thought no gnosis equals not an archon.
@@opswhyyou7216 no zongli said he lose a significant amount of power after losing his gnosis while yes gnosis isn't a device which makes them archon but it did give a massive amount of power to the user .
Zhongli states himself hes no longer the geo archon, if azdaha was able to sense it and the only thing zhongli did to remove himself from position of archon was give up his gnosis, then we gotta assume the gnosis is what makes someone an archon. Zhongli is currently just a god with authority over geo
@@DawitsLookingforEmiliabut that would mean no other archon is an archon besides the cryo(?) and pyro archon. However we know that that isn’t necessarily true. Nahida, ei, and Venti are all still considered archons(tho furina is also considered the archon despite being human). So there has to be more to it, perhaps it’s because Zhongli decided to step down and give his gnosis away, perhaps it’s another reason. All we know for sure is that Gnosis are the remains of the 3rd descender and have a portion of the dragons authority. Speaking of that, if the gnosis have a portion of the dragons authority then they very well could make an archon an archon. The gnosis may be used to give the Archons that portion of the elemental authority, and that is why they cannot give out visions at their free will, but rather do it unknowingly. This could also actually be how celestial maintains authority in teyvat, they use the gnosis to keep the sovereigns from being able to fight back by taking away a large chunk of their power.
Venti might not have authority over Anemo, but he definitely has it over yapping. There's no way this guy who was one of the original seven did not know what purpose the gnoesisises serve, he's literally the only one whos even mentioned allogenes iirc so he definitely picked up a few keywords from celestia despite his drunken stupor. Though between the 500 year naps and endless drinking, it's a wonder he could tell us anything at all. The knowledge has likely all eroded away along with his brain to facilitate a more convenient vessel for his drinking.
Well we also have to consider that he really doesn’t care much for the gnosis in fact, none of the Archons do How do we know that Celestia isn’t withholding information from them because likely none of them even knew that it came from the remains of the third decender
See I believe the 3rd Descender is the Dragon King that returned from the Firmament after acquiring the Darkness and was transformed as a side effect. Which would make him a brand new being who “descended” into Teyvat to take vengeance upon the Heavenly Principles and thus not being recognized as the Dragon King who gets his shit kicked in by the Primordial One.
Wouldn’t that be the 2 descender, though, because the gnosis were made thousands of years ago before the archon war yet it implies that the Dragon King is the second descender, since the heavenly principles raged war with the second who came
@@isaiahhaley4816skirk said that the gnosis are objects of misfortune which makes sense cause nibelung obtained forbidden knowledge hence his remains also contain its effect So the 3rd descender being nibelung is possible
@@THEO00900 ye but remember that a descender is a person whose will can rival to world plus the dragon king left teyvat for more power beyond and we know the abuse can change a persons appearance, so maybe Celestia classified him as a descent because of his appearance and his will
I think the Visions are created subconsciously by those holding the Elemental Thrones, given to those who match the ideals of the person on the throne. The reason no electro visions were made is because Ei didn’t want humans to have visions, but she is not actively stopping it, it’s just responding to her view on humanity. As for the Gnoses, I saw a theory that I found interesting that the Second One Who Came was actually split into the four shades, which would explain “the one who came after” helping the Primordial One create them.
It wasent Ei though, it was the shogun, Ei was in the plane of euthymia for 399 years before the shogun was manipulated into enacting the vision hunt decree. Ei simply didnt care
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I thought she said that she gave her full support of the vision hunt decree when we confront in the Plane. But if that’s the case, then it could be that she in a way just gave up on humanity. If she was in constant meditation to prevent erosion, she likely wouldn’t be focusing on helping restore humanity. The Shogun was very much her way of abandoning her role.
Ei states she was aware of the vision hunt decree but because it didnt constitute a threat to "eternity" she never bothered to do anything about it. To me this indicates neither support nor opposition to the plan, just apathy. And yes I agree the shogun was her way of abandoning her role but she did that hundreds of years ago, so why then were electro visions not being handed out at the same time the puppet created the vision hunt decree when it is just that- a puppet?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia It might be because she allowed the Decree to begin with. The Decree was recent so it makes sense why in that time frame there were no new Electro visions.
0:13 I don't recall being omniscient as a requesit to be considered a god... Not every god is omniscient in mythology. Not at all! In fact it's the opposite - it's rare feat
yes but in teyvat the people firmly believe that a god should be all knowing as we saw in furinas trial If the people were to find out that the gods of teyvat arent all knowing, then that should negatively affect their faith in said god, so I think its necessary for the gods to at least act "all knowing"
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia the point about people's belief is actually a good point, and i have not much to oppose. Albeit I won't lie - i want to find something against it. But I'm not that good with the lore yet, i ve started studying it not so long ago. Anyway have a good day and your attention is a pleasant surprise!
But are they uncaring tho? Zhongli gave his Gnosis away willingly, Venti was Tsaritsa's friend and he didn't care to put up a fight with Signora. I think they know much more than they tell us.
You are REALLY clueless if you think some archons like Venti who we barely now anything about or Zhongli who literally sealed a contract with the Tsartsa for the gnosis don´t know about that 🤦♂
Journey: Teyvat Destination: Finding your sibling End: Leaving this world "Traveler, as you set off on your journey once again, you must remember that the journey itself has meaning. The birds of Teyvat, the songs and the cities, the Tsaritsa, her Fatui and the monsters... they all are part of your journey. The destination is not everything. So before you reach the end, keep your eyes open. Use the chance to take in the world around you..." -Venti Venti reminds us to focus on the journey. Meaning rather than the Archons giving us straight forward answers, we must experience (Teyvat) ourselves. It's probably not because they don't know anything but rather can only tell us what they are allowed to tell and share the rest when we are ready. They must also not try to incur the wrath of Celestia or their land and people will be destroyed. In the travails trailer even Dainsleif said to show us the meaning of our journey. The archons never come across as know-nothings to me. The way they've been acting is they know more than you but only tell you what you need to hear. Ei would be an exception considering Makoto generally governs the land and its people while she deals with the military and fighting. Nahida is fairly new but considering her access to knowledge is based on what irminsul has stored, she can only tell you what she could find in it and hypothesize the rest.
Probably the 6 archons are secretly conniving and the 5 are supporting the Tsaritsa's cause, and "the contract to end all contracts", perhaps the archon's contract to each other or Zhongli to Tsaritsa alone, to end the contract that binds them to Celestia".
Man... in the future who will be our ally and enemy? Nevielette don't like the archon's(except Nahida ❤), the majority of the archons kinda like us but some of then don't tell us all the truth about Khaeriah, the archon war, the Gnosis... is hard to say if in the future our current allies and friends will be on our side
I suspect the gnosis are how celestia grants visions to humans through shared ambitions of the respective elemental gods or prescripted ambitions. As Ei didnt possess her gnosis the established connection was dormant and her ambitions faultered so no visions were gifted during the sakoku decree Focalors gifted hydro visions through her shared ambition to strive for the greater good( divine justice in her case) as indicated by the requirents for receiving a hydro vision. She also possessed her gnosis at the time when she resided in the oratrice. Since the gnosis was destroyed with focalors, the original power was returned to the hydro dragon and celestia lost control over hydro. Neuvilette could then gift visions at his own will and through his own ambitions. The only question is how wanderer received an anemo vision if venti doesnt possess it, unless a new holder of the anemo gnosis within the fatui exists. As long as the gnosis has a holder, i believe visions can be granted through their shared ambition or a set ambition, since wanderer still got a vision according to the original anemo vision requirements
- visions are awarded to non-human beings as well as humans (you mentioned Scaramouche yourself) - Ei gave up the gnosis long before the Sakoku decree, and if you don‘t assume all Electro Vision holders to be 500+years old, they must‘ve received it during the period where the Electro Gnosis was already being kept by Yae Miko - Focalors did explicitly not destroy the Gnosis, we know that Arlecchino was awarded it by Neuvilette for her aid during the crisis
Let me just drop this here. Not connected to the video. Aether: - Aether’s name has lived on to a certain degree, being a name once used for the presumed fifth element, as well as being used occasionally to refer to the air and space. - The concept of a void, also known as the aether, refers to the idea of a hypothetical space or medium that fills the uni. - Ether or Aether, in physics and astronomy, a hypothetical medium for transmitting light and heat (radiation), filling all unoccupied space; it is also called, "Luminiferous Ether." - Aether particles are hurled from the Sun and all luminous bodies and sources. Fatui Harbingers: In the Commedia dell'Arte. (MISSING TITLES) Innamorati the Lovers: The couple and main leads. They don't have to wear masks unlike the rest of the casts. - Pantalone: He is usually the father of one of, "the Lovers." He is driven to keep his child and the lover apart. - Ill Dottore: He can be the father to one of, "the Lovers," usually either Columbina or Isabella. - There are some stories where Dottore is not a father. Brighella the Cunning: The older brother of Arlecchino who is a lot smarter than him. He is the most cunning out of the 12. Almost forgot Il Capitano: The Beserker (Most people thinks hes the Bloodstained Knight) - In a barren and lifeless land, he encountered a giant monster. (Assuming a Dragon) - Reborn in FLAMES, vengeance and bloodlust took over the warrior's mind, turning him into a berserker. (This dudes clearly from Natlan) - The berserker kept roaring until the fresh blood covered the black clots hardened on his face. - Within the flames, he was horribly burned and lost his sanity, but devoted himself to revenge and fought back, his mask fusing to his face. - The chin guard of the Berserker Mask is missing.
I think to he an archon you dont need any gnosis or divine power you just need ambition and that is actually happening with furina rn i dont know that even egeria have vision when she was the hydro archon a normal human but immortal human and just like that focalor wants to become a normal immortal human too so theres so exception that tp become a god or archon or ruler you need ambitions ❤
It is not accurate that they hold the elements ONLY they hold the dragon authority the element is probably just a biproduct of that. What is more important is having control over "the laws of this world". Now this should be how fates are given out what is regarded a a sin in Theyvat, creating a lifeform other than your own among many things. This is realised with the help of Irminsul and what Apep means that the losers must turn to ash, is that they are erased by Irminsul almost completely. The Contract to end all contracts, must be how visions are wielded and in return Zhongli gave up his Gnosis. We know Zhongli regards visions as a form of contract. It may even be why Focalors is able to defy the heavenly principles in the first place. If the bargain was "were the gods gaze does not reach" that would mean that Zhongli KNEW what would happen, as he often talks about being a witness of Theyvat. Zhongli and Neuvilette are the ONLY one's that does not have a matching name to their story quest and their constellations meaning they have two fates. Everyone else has their constellation as the name of the story quest. It also heavily points to the possiblity of Zhongli being a dragon in the past as his exuvia takes the shape of a dragon. We know dragons are not affected by Irminsul because Apep recalls things that Irminsul should not permit. Zhongli states that he has "dwelt upon this world for more than 6000 years" he does not say that he was born in Theyvat.
If Zhongli was indeed a dragon then why would Celestia make him an archon. The would be fools to make their former enemy an archon. P.S. it is said in the AQ of Liyue that zhongli has many forms as he is a prime adeptus. Dragon is only one of them
@@Druid0817 Not if they removed his memories. He says to us that he Neeeds to find a way to record history Better. This implies that Zhongli suspects that he indeed has another fate. This fits with his constellation not being the name of his story quest like EVERY other character, except Neuvilette now.
Clearly Zhongli knows.. let alone him being ancient.. and as he said can't tell us. Also the fact he can not be edited by the tree and the others (of so far) can. That's some big secret there too.
In terms of the knowledge the Archons have over the 'truths' of this world, I think it's safe to say the members of the Seven that rose after the Cataclysm probably don't know as much as the older members do, and the most knowledge probably lies with the Orginal Seven. The new Seven - Focalors and Buer, didn't really have a chance to get much info as Celestia had presumably gone dormant after their ascension and they were both preoccupied by the state of their nations. (The prophecy and being trapped by the sages.) Beelzlebul/Ei is in a similar vein, she was never the Archon, ergo had no reason to possess whatever knowledge her sister did, and wasn't particularly interested in finding out. Meaning that of the current Archons left, the only ones we can get any answers from is the Pyro Archon, The Tsaritsa, or Venti. I suspect Venti knows a great deal, but would rather not speak of it. It's a habit of his you can witness in the comic, despite his great knowledge he has a tendency to divert the subject. He most likely took advantage of the fact since the Traveler was new to the world, they would trust his authority as a god and not question his answers without any basis too. (And even then, I think he moreso told us half-truths than outright lying.) Probably the reason Venti's 2nd story quest has been held off for so long, as a character with one of the most direct connections to one of the 4 Shades, it's likely going to reveal some key information about the world. As for why the Tsaritsa is the only one who wants to rebel- well, I'd say nuking a divine throne and restoring the power back to the Sovereign can honestly be counted as rebellion- but personally, I think while all of them vibe with 'fuck Celestia', they don't feel comfortable with direct action since, A.They probably don't think they'd ever win, and B. The cost to their people would be too great, whether or not they win or lose. The Tsaritsa, on the other hand, given her goal to 'burn the old world' (which personally, I think refers to the current one, and the wording is just the Fatui being so sure of their success that they already think there's a new world ahead), probably has either come to terms with this fact, or believes the damage dealt to her people will be worth the chance of victory. Lastly, on the topic of visions, TVTropes provided an interesting theory as to what's happening with Electro Visions, speculating that the reason no new visions have been granted is not because of the Archon, but rather an unresolved story with the Electro Sovereign and the authority of Electro. Can't say it has any basis to build off- but I feel like it's interesting idea to share
I actually don't think celesta is responsible for giving out visions, from what we can tell celestia is super inactive right now maybe there is a crisis happening there who knows I think it is more likely that what EI was saying but didnt finish is that the requirement is the desire for a vision and maybe the candidates need to have something else there are plenty of passionate people in tevat who don't have a vision. we'd have to look at people who we have seen get there vision like furina or wanderer what triggered the vision to appear for them, neuv coulda gave furina a vision early but something had to happen before he could give it to her.
Tsaritsa isn’t the only archon to rebel against the gods, Focalors has also done this in the recent archon quest. Anyways, I have my own theory about who the speculated resurrection of Natlan will be, and I think it makes more sense to be one of the 7 sovereigns, since the final goal is “the old world” and the celestials are not of the old world, contrary to popular belief.
@@PapaZypheros This is just my own speculation, I never really followed the whole theory about the third descender, it never really made sense to me. However, nothing has been confirmed so we’re all just having fun theory crafting while we wait for Natlan. 😊
Id argue Focalors merely deceived the heavenly principles rather then "rebelled" against them. For her to "rebel" she would have needed to find a way to prevent the prophecy from happening which was impossible. Instead she simply found a version of the prophecy that didnt result in everyones deaths. The tsarista on the hand is soon going to be taking the fight directly to celestia and isn't mincing words about it
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I think both of them did rebel albeit one being sneaky and one being upfront about it. Focalors by not obeying to the will of heavenly principles, destroying the divine throne (shaking the rules established by Celestia), and giving back the authority of the hydro dragon sovereign (HP's original enemy) is considered rebellion
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT Apep said to Nahida that some of the Dragons have become familiar with "you", and people assumed that he was saying that some dragons have become friendly to humans. But............. he was talking to Nahida, and she is an Archon, a Usurper, and according to Neuvillette, humans are forgiven but Usurpers not, like humans are different but Archons has a direct link with Celestia, like if the Usurpers are "part" of Celestia. So, since he was talking with Nahida, can not be Apep, with "familiar with you", saying that some Dragons have become familiar with CELESTIA, and Tsaritsa be one of the Dragons, or at least serving to a Dragon Sovereign?????? We know she is not one of the Original Archons.
this may be a stupid question, but how can the archond channel elements if not for a gnosis/vision? is it js cus their gods or smth? like how do they js gain powers? could a pyro channeler be a lets say electro gnosis wielder? im so dumb, im sorry its not getting to my brain💀
ahaha no worries. ya archons are all gods so they can wield there respective elements regardless of a gnosis. So for instance zhongli already had great control over geo before he became the geo archon. the gnosis does boost their power by a good amount however
Yeah I get what you mean, also some info are fake like tsaritsa being the only one rebelling against celestia when there's focalor destroying the heavenly throne.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia what I mean with "right" is that I get the point of what you want to say and it is at least comprehensible... And I know its your videos and you're completely free to say whatever you want in the way you want to, but there is a point where the chuckles and bad jokes get "to my point of view" cringe to put it in a word... what causes (I know not only me) to stop watching a few minutes after starting. If the info is real or fake well everybody is up to decide by their own knowledge of the game lore and criteria. Hope you take it in the most positive way.
Tbh I think that the archon system is a double security measure.we know that early humans worshiped Celestia directly or through the sheelies. Shelves used to do what archons do now, just in a much larger scale. Celestia tried to revive this system with the gods after the battle with the second who came, but it backfired as humans banded together with these gods and worshiped them instead of celestia. When the 3rd descender came e was probably on the same power or close to Celestia amd they saw an opportunity. They made the Gnosis out of the 3rd descender remains, pit the gods against each other leaving them to clean after themselves. They made the archon system we have now to control humanity (as they can communicate with the archons through the gnosis and probably get that faith energy using that connection) and keep the 3rd descender remains from coming together (as the more Gnosis you have the more fundamental laws of teyvat you can manipulate). In this way, Celestia gets worshipped, humanity still follows the archons and the archons are mouth pieces for Celestia. But something is wrong, probably the First Who Came got corrupted by the forbidden knowledge (the sustainer of the heavenly principles might be what's left of the first who came after it made the shades, but regardless she is clealry corrupted and she lives in Celestia right?) When battling the second who came and it needs rest a la venti? 😴 lol, but in all seriousness we know Celestia has been silent for a long time and the way I see it there's two options: Celestia might be silent because everything that is happening (the tsaritza rebellion, the abyss, neuvillete, etc...) is going according to their plans OR celestia just can't do anything because it's weakened by the corruption after fighting the second who came (presumably Nibelung after coming back with Forbidden Knowledge and finding Teyvat with the giant civilization of Humans instead of the light realm with Vishaps and his fellow dragons).
I actually think zhongli knows about everything I mean there’s a theory that his a shade then he can’t be affected by irminsul because he has descended not born in teyvat maybe his just holding a contract to not say those things so his hinding it but his giving hints out to the traveler but it’s just a theory so I’m not sure
Wait..... if the gnosis is related to the seat of power of an archon, and the seat of the hydro archon is destroyed, then the gnosis has nothing in it.
a thing that i never noticed before and made me think a little bit now, in 8:55 you mention "before sun and moon" words, and it says "the ETERNAL throne of the heavens", and eternal doesn't means the same thing as "forever", since forever is a thing that will endure till the end of the times, but has a start point, and eternal is a thing that also will endure forever but also is enduring since before the beginning of the times, i mean, forever is forever to the future, and eternal is forever to the future but also from the past, like, before the sun and before the moon.
There is a theory that visions are granted to people with enough ambition(desire) by Irminsul or Celestia, since they are linked it doesn't even matter which it is. There is good chance that story writers of Genshin/HoYoverse have no solid idea how it works or could still change their mind about how it should be.
ah I didnt say it right so I thought it didnt deserve the music lol. i actually recorded that part like 10 times and kept fucking it up so i just sped through it lol
I think all the Archons know or have an idea of what is happening. Otherwise they would not have given up their gnoses so easily. I think they are all distancing themselves from Celestia and have allowed the Tsaritsa to take the lead in whatever is coming. I think they have all known for slightly more than the last 500 years, which would be about when the Travelers were “heavenly summoned “ to Teyvat. The Traveler lived with the Jester, when he was a royal Madge in the court of Khaenri’ah, which would have been before the downfall of Khaenri’ah around the year 500. Sometime slightly before or around the beginning of the end, the Jester created the Fatui and the Harbingers for the Tsaritsa. Dainslief also went from being the Twilight Sword, to becoming the Boughkeeper with access to Irminsul. He or both he and the Jester had the power to manipulate and control the Traveler’s mind. Remember how Clothar jumps all over Lumine for not being who the Khaenri’ahns thought she was to become? The Abyss princess? This war at the year 500 was so awful, not only humans suffered, but the gods suffered as well. (Venti is a drunk, Zhongli has no sense of finances, or financial dysmorphia. Ei went into hiding with extreme anxiety or agoraphobia. Focalors determined she would pull a fast one on the heavenly principles by creating Farina as a false god and Niheda was imprisoned by the Head scholars of Sumeru.)
the way Ei said her line... it does actually coincide with what Neuvilllette said. She simply stated "it is not by me will that Visions are granted or denied.". what this means is that.... she herself is not the one who chooses who to give the vision to. Celestia is the one choosing who to give out Visions... she simply gives them away without knowing who these people are... and from what her words meant. She HAS been handing out visions. But it came as a surprise to her that none of them went outside of Inazuma.
Honestly the authority over visions is most likely held by a mix of the Archon's will, the holder of the gnosis and/or Celestia. Also I still don't see where Neuv can grant visions
If Celestia was watching that closely I doubt they would allow the fatui to aquire Visions. Correct me if I'm wrong but no one has ever said you can't weild more than one vision if so why is the tsaritsa not handing out cryo visions?
@stupidboi329 because it's probably not a conscious thing but rather a subconscious thing that Celestia approves or disapproves of, considering no electro visions were given out during Raiden's no vision decree, both have to align. Celestia probably thinks the Fatui aren't a real threat so they don't care if they get visions or not
I think Zhongli would know about what the gnoses truly are since the only reason he gave up his gnosis was because of the contract he made with the Cryo Archon. He willingly gave it up.
On the surface Zhongli gave up his gnosis for 2 reasons,
1. Because he no longer desired to be geo archon and wished for liyue to rule itself
2. Because he claims he will soon begin to suffer from erosion and that takes its more dangerous form when there is immense power at play
The biggest question regarding the whole zhonlgi situation is what the tsarista gave zhongli to balance out him giving up his gnosis, but regardless of whether or not he knows the truth behind the gnoses he and the rest of the archons know they are valuable.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He was very powerful even before he got his gnosis so don't think it's a main reason why he did that, he definitely hides something.
@@whitecat3448 he said it himself he lost alot of power when he gave up the gnosis
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He said he lost the ability to create Mora right? He was the God Of Geo before he was an Archon. Don't forget, he is extremely strong with, or without the Gnosis. The Gnosis is more of a catalyst. As Nahida said, it focuses elemental power. It's like the weapon of a swordsman, even without the weapon, he isn't all that weaker even with weaker swords
That wasnt the reason, that was the means. The real reason was because he didnt want to be an archon anymore as in his eyes humanity could protect themselves now. So he made a contract in which if the humans and adepti could defend liyue without him interfering then he would step down as an archon and give up his Gnosis. He bet against himself, let the fatui do whatever they wanted to do (wake up osial) all so the humans and adepti had to defend Liyue and prove his point, the contract that ends all contracts. Liyue is free of their archon rules, the fatui get the gnosis and Zhong can act like a normal person now. So yeah, the contract with the Fatui was just a means to achieve the end he wanted. Like he explains the gnosis only purpose for him (at that point) was to make mora, something he won't have to do when he is not in power (because he is still an archon), so why not leverage it to free liyue and himself od Celestia machinations?
Ei and Nahida are definitely open books. it's just that Ei was too tunnel-visioned on Makoto getting killed that she didn't see much during the Cataclysm. and Nahida was born after the death of Rukkha so she definitely didn't know much about it.
About Nahida not having the full picture despite her access to Irminsul. If the Gnosis are remains of a Descender then details about them likely aren't in the memory of Irminsul (much like how the Traveler doesn't belong to Teyvat). As for Venti, he has been established to lie when he deems it needed. I suspect he does know more than he lets on (though probably not the whole picture). Raiden and Focalors just don't have any reason to care much about their respective Gnosis. Who knows about Zhongli.
As for the handing out of visions. My guess is that it is a semi automated process that the divine thrones themselves handle and that Archons only have access to the throne's authority, not full control of it (a fail safe for Celestia to maintain control). Neuvillette has the ability to hand out visions directly because he has complete control over the authority of hydro since the divine throne was destroyed (no interference).
I don't think neuvillette will give vision to furina though, knowing how much suffering she had for so long, how could he gave her responsibility to bear a power that many look for. It is stated that it's the seven overseer and we know it is different from archon which the youtuber weirdly don't as Ei herself stated that she never give any electro vision yet it is still happening even inside Inazuma, right?
hmm. I often hear our sibiling has information in irminsul despite coming from beyond the stars because khanirah did something to intertwine their fate with that of teyvat, so shouldnt the same be true of the third descender whose "remains" are used to keep the order in teyvat?
I fully agree with your second point, that seems like the most likely answer
I think the archons authorities are the overseers and the thrones but these aren't the same as archons of Teyvat, I think they're linked by divinity and the gnosis but they're split. I think how the archons in Celestia see, is through the archons on Teyvat and or the gnosis.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia The sibling is no longer referred to as a Descender remember? He/She depending on which sibling you use is now considered a local of Teyvat, even if they come from the Realm of stars. Now the Third Descenders remains upholding the laws of Teyvat doesn't necessarily make him a part of it. The Traveller didn't become a Teyvat local just by being there. What happened to the sibling should have other mysteries
Kinda off topic but I’ve noticed that every archon is a pure for, of their respective element, or was born from a pure form or originally a pure form of it.
Venti was a wind spirit
Zhongli I believe was a earth spirit, unless the info I read was wrong
Ei and makoto if the info I read was correct were born from pure electro energy
Nahida and rhukkadevata are of the same species, I guess. Not sure what word to use, but they are both the avatars of irminsul, and nahida was born from the purest branch of irminsul. Which would be pure dendro energy.
And finally egeria was the heart of the primordial sea, which is literally water and that would be a pure form of hydro, and focalors was originally a oceanid which I believe is a pure hydro elemental life form.
I was curious about the Archons lying as well so, I did a little research myself and this is what I found. (Seven ideas for seven Gods) It’s a contract between the Archons and Celestia. This contract was signed 2000 years ago. When the Traveler asked Jhongli about their twin, Jhongli had said he had signed a contract and that he wouldn’t break that said contract to tell the Traveler about their twin. I’m just guessing but, I’m thinking all Archons have signed the same contract because it says “whereby the Archons agreed to act as the rulers and jailers of humanity by making sure they cannnot/will not rebel against the power of celestia.” I’m also thinking that’s when the Archons got the gnosis so Celestial could spy on Teyvat to make sure the Archons were staying true to their contract. It does put things into perspective and why the Archons gave the gnosis to the Fatui. Last stop is Natlan, we know that Captain will eventually get the gnosis and I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. I’m super excited! Great video btw!
jhongli lol
Ei Voice lines shows she's confused about Why Electro visions have stopped but it's clear that she likely knows HOW visions are given but she has NO SAY in the Process.
She's Confused because that Process is separate from her at least as she believes it to be.
The way I see it, an archon makes a bunch of Visions (or at least blanks for them), loads them into the throne, and considers their job done. Now it's up to the mortals and whatever opaque rules Celestia uses to notice them to claim the Visions.
She probably has some influence over it though, at least subconsciously, because no new Visions were given out when the Vision Hunt Decree was ongoing.
After 4.2, the dialogue between Zhongli and Azhdaha sounds different. "I'm no longer the geo archon." "I can sense it." But how does an archon resign, really? Now that we know gnosis and authorities over the elements are different things, it seems only the divine seat defines who is an archon. The gnosis can totally be absent and said god is still an archon. And from the catalysm we can see this divine seat won't be vacant for long. Soon, successors will emerge. But, no new geo archon has emerged thus far. So, what was azhdaha sensing in Zhongli that made him know he is no longer the geo archon? Either Zhongli is still archon but just abandoned his duty, or somehow he also blew up the geo seat and transferred the authority...somewhere else.
I think azdaha wasn't able to sence the gnosis and that's what he was referring to
@The_original_one That's the problem. Gnosis doesn't make an archon. All the archons we met except focalors and morax gave away their gnosi yet continued to be archons. We don't even know what's the impact of losing the gnosis since none of them seem to lose any significant power after giving the gnosis away. Or maybe azhdaha is dumb. Him alone thought no gnosis equals not an archon.
@@opswhyyou7216 no zongli said he lose a significant amount of power after losing his gnosis while yes gnosis isn't a device which makes them archon but it did give a massive amount of power to the user .
Zhongli states himself hes no longer the geo archon, if azdaha was able to sense it and the only thing zhongli did to remove himself from position of archon was give up his gnosis, then we gotta assume the gnosis is what makes someone an archon. Zhongli is currently just a god with authority over geo
@@DawitsLookingforEmiliabut that would mean no other archon is an archon besides the cryo(?) and pyro archon. However we know that that isn’t necessarily true. Nahida, ei, and Venti are all still considered archons(tho furina is also considered the archon despite being human). So there has to be more to it, perhaps it’s because Zhongli decided to step down and give his gnosis away, perhaps it’s another reason. All we know for sure is that Gnosis are the remains of the 3rd descender and have a portion of the dragons authority.
Speaking of that, if the gnosis have a portion of the dragons authority then they very well could make an archon an archon. The gnosis may be used to give the Archons that portion of the elemental authority, and that is why they cannot give out visions at their free will, but rather do it unknowingly. This could also actually be how celestial maintains authority in teyvat, they use the gnosis to keep the sovereigns from being able to fight back by taking away a large chunk of their power.
Venti might not have authority over Anemo, but he definitely has it over yapping. There's no way this guy who was one of the original seven did not know what purpose the gnoesisises serve, he's literally the only one whos even mentioned allogenes iirc so he definitely picked up a few keywords from celestia despite his drunken stupor.
Though between the 500 year naps and endless drinking, it's a wonder he could tell us anything at all. The knowledge has likely all eroded away along with his brain to facilitate a more convenient vessel for his drinking.
Well we also have to consider that he really doesn’t care much for the gnosis in fact, none of the Archons do How do we know that Celestia isn’t withholding information from them because likely none of them even knew that it came from the remains of the third decender
I'm sorry but your first sentence sent me 😂
@@ambieee Glad you enjoyed it.
Bro thats the funniest shit ive seen so far😂 frfr
See I believe the 3rd Descender is the Dragon King that returned from the Firmament after acquiring the Darkness and was transformed as a side effect. Which would make him a brand new being who “descended” into Teyvat to take vengeance upon the Heavenly Principles and thus not being recognized as the Dragon King who gets his shit kicked in by the Primordial One.
Wouldn’t that be the 2 descender, though, because the gnosis were made thousands of years ago before the archon war yet it implies that the Dragon King is the second descender, since the heavenly principles raged war with the second who came
Yea...but the dragon king can't be a descender, he existed on Teyvat before the Primordial One came.
@@isaiahhaley4816skirk said that the gnosis are objects of misfortune which makes sense cause nibelung obtained forbidden knowledge hence his remains also contain its effect
So the 3rd descender being nibelung is possible
@@THEO00900 ye but remember that a descender is a person whose will can rival to world plus the dragon king left teyvat for more power beyond and we know the abuse can change a persons appearance, so maybe Celestia classified him as a descent because of his appearance and his will
@@mercenary754 ye but misfortune can be any bad thing I mean even when a god dies their remains leave misfortune
I think the Visions are created subconsciously by those holding the Elemental Thrones, given to those who match the ideals of the person on the throne. The reason no electro visions were made is because Ei didn’t want humans to have visions, but she is not actively stopping it, it’s just responding to her view on humanity.
As for the Gnoses, I saw a theory that I found interesting that the Second One Who Came was actually split into the four shades, which would explain “the one who came after” helping the Primordial One create them.
It wasent Ei though, it was the shogun, Ei was in the plane of euthymia for 399 years before the shogun was manipulated into enacting the vision hunt decree.
Ei simply didnt care
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I thought she said that she gave her full support of the vision hunt decree when we confront in the Plane. But if that’s the case, then it could be that she in a way just gave up on humanity. If she was in constant meditation to prevent erosion, she likely wouldn’t be focusing on helping restore humanity. The Shogun was very much her way of abandoning her role.
Ei states she was aware of the vision hunt decree but because it didnt constitute a threat to "eternity" she never bothered to do anything about it. To me this indicates neither support nor opposition to the plan, just apathy.
And yes I agree the shogun was her way of abandoning her role but she did that hundreds of years ago, so why then were electro visions not being handed out at the same time the puppet created the vision hunt decree when it is just that- a puppet?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia It might be because she allowed the Decree to begin with. The Decree was recent so it makes sense why in that time frame there were no new Electro visions.
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I don't recall being omniscient as a requesit to be considered a god...
Not every god is omniscient in mythology. Not at all!
In fact it's the opposite - it's rare feat
yes but in teyvat the people firmly believe that a god should be all knowing as we saw in furinas trial
If the people were to find out that the gods of teyvat arent all knowing, then that should negatively affect their faith in said god, so I think its necessary for the gods to at least act "all knowing"
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia the point about people's belief is actually a good point, and i have not much to oppose.
Albeit I won't lie - i want to find something against it. But I'm not that good with the lore yet, i ve started studying it not so long ago.
Anyway have a good day and your attention is a pleasant surprise!
I'ma look at it in a positive way maybe they were lied to and are taking it as truth and unknowingly spreading the lies #PlotTwist
lmfao #plottwist is so funny to me for some reason
Yes, they are lying without feeling bad. Looking at nahida🔥
oh u think shes a demon demon huh
But are they uncaring tho? Zhongli gave his Gnosis away willingly, Venti was Tsaritsa's friend and he didn't care to put up a fight with Signora. I think they know much more than they tell us.
All of em with the RUSSIANS I knew it.
lol did you know that Snezhnaya is based on Russia?
You are REALLY clueless if you think some archons like Venti who we barely now anything about or Zhongli who literally sealed a contract with the Tsartsa for the gnosis don´t know about that 🤦♂
Journey: Teyvat
Destination: Finding your sibling
End: Leaving this world
"Traveler, as you set off on your journey once again, you must remember that the journey itself has meaning. The birds of Teyvat, the songs and the cities, the Tsaritsa, her Fatui and the monsters... they all are part of your journey. The destination is not everything. So before you reach the end, keep your eyes open. Use the chance to take in the world around you..."
-Venti
Venti reminds us to focus on the journey. Meaning rather than the Archons giving us straight forward answers, we must experience (Teyvat) ourselves. It's probably not because they don't know anything but rather can only tell us what they are allowed to tell and share the rest when we are ready. They must also not try to incur the wrath of Celestia or their land and people will be destroyed. In the travails trailer even Dainsleif said to show us the meaning of our journey. The archons never come across as know-nothings to me. The way they've been acting is they know more than you but only tell you what you need to hear. Ei would be an exception considering Makoto generally governs the land and its people while she deals with the military and fighting. Nahida is fairly new but considering her access to knowledge is based on what irminsul has stored, she can only tell you what she could find in it and hypothesize the rest.
Probably the 6 archons are secretly conniving and the 5 are supporting the Tsaritsa's cause, and "the contract to end all contracts", perhaps the archon's contract to each other or Zhongli to Tsaritsa alone, to end the contract that binds them to Celestia".
Man... in the future who will be our ally and enemy? Nevielette don't like the archon's(except Nahida ❤), the majority of the archons kinda like us but some of then don't tell us all the truth about Khaeriah, the archon war, the Gnosis... is hard to say if in the future our current allies and friends will be on our side
I suspect the gnosis are how celestia grants visions to humans through shared ambitions of the respective elemental gods or prescripted ambitions.
As Ei didnt possess her gnosis the established connection was dormant and her ambitions faultered so no visions were gifted during the sakoku decree
Focalors gifted hydro visions through her shared ambition to strive for the greater good( divine justice in her case) as indicated by the requirents for receiving a hydro vision. She also possessed her gnosis at the time when she resided in the oratrice. Since the gnosis was destroyed with focalors, the original power was returned to the hydro dragon and celestia lost control over hydro. Neuvilette could then gift visions at his own will and through his own ambitions.
The only question is how wanderer received an anemo vision if venti doesnt possess it, unless a new holder of the anemo gnosis within the fatui exists. As long as the gnosis has a holder, i believe visions can be granted through their shared ambition or a set ambition, since wanderer still got a vision according to the original anemo vision requirements
- visions are awarded to non-human beings as well as humans (you mentioned Scaramouche yourself)
- Ei gave up the gnosis long before the Sakoku decree, and if you don‘t assume all Electro Vision holders to be 500+years old, they must‘ve received it during the period where the Electro Gnosis was already being kept by Yae Miko
- Focalors did explicitly not destroy the Gnosis, we know that Arlecchino was awarded it by Neuvilette for her aid during the crisis
Venti in honkai impact is actually acting to be good but she is bad
Archons are sus as fuck
Let me just drop this here. Not connected to the video.
Aether:
- Aether’s name has lived on to a certain degree, being a name once used for the presumed fifth element, as well as being used occasionally to refer to the air and space.
- The concept of a void, also known as the aether, refers to the idea of a hypothetical space or medium that fills the uni.
- Ether or Aether, in physics and astronomy, a hypothetical medium for transmitting light and heat (radiation), filling all unoccupied space; it is also called, "Luminiferous Ether."
- Aether particles are hurled from the Sun and all luminous bodies and sources.
Fatui Harbingers: In the Commedia dell'Arte. (MISSING TITLES)
Innamorati the Lovers: The couple and main leads. They don't have to wear masks unlike the rest of the casts.
- Pantalone: He is usually the father of one of, "the Lovers." He is driven to keep his child and the lover apart.
- Ill Dottore: He can be the father to one of, "the Lovers," usually either Columbina or Isabella.
- There are some stories where Dottore is not a father.
Brighella the Cunning: The older brother of Arlecchino who is a lot smarter than him. He is the most cunning out of the 12.
Almost forgot Il Capitano: The Beserker (Most people thinks hes the Bloodstained Knight)
- In a barren and lifeless land, he encountered a giant monster. (Assuming a Dragon)
- Reborn in FLAMES, vengeance and bloodlust took over the warrior's mind, turning him into a berserker. (This dudes clearly from Natlan)
- The berserker kept roaring until the fresh blood covered the black clots hardened on his face.
- Within the flames, he was horribly burned and lost his sanity, but devoted himself to revenge and fought back, his mask fusing to his face.
- The chin guard of the Berserker Mask is missing.
bro has hit the books
I think to he an archon you dont need any gnosis or divine power you just need ambition and that is actually happening with furina rn i dont know that even egeria have vision when she was the hydro archon a normal human but immortal human and just like that focalor wants to become a normal immortal human too so theres so exception that tp become a god or archon or ruler you need ambitions ❤
It is not accurate that they hold the elements ONLY they hold the dragon authority the element is probably just a biproduct of that. What is more important is having control over "the laws of this world". Now this should be how fates are given out what is regarded a a sin in Theyvat, creating a lifeform other than your own among many things. This is realised with the help of Irminsul and what Apep means that the losers must turn to ash, is that they are erased by Irminsul almost completely. The Contract to end all contracts, must be how visions are wielded and in return Zhongli gave up his Gnosis. We know Zhongli regards visions as a form of contract. It may even be why Focalors is able to defy the heavenly principles in the first place. If the bargain was "were the gods gaze does not reach" that would mean that Zhongli KNEW what would happen, as he often talks about being a witness of Theyvat.
Zhongli and Neuvilette are the ONLY one's that does not have a matching name to their story quest and their constellations meaning they have two fates. Everyone else has their constellation as the name of the story quest. It also heavily points to the possiblity of Zhongli being a dragon in the past as his exuvia takes the shape of a dragon. We know dragons are not affected by Irminsul because Apep recalls things that Irminsul should not permit. Zhongli states that he has "dwelt upon this world for more than 6000 years" he does not say that he was born in Theyvat.
If Zhongli was indeed a dragon then why would Celestia make him an archon. The would be fools to make their former enemy an archon.
P.S. it is said in the AQ of Liyue that zhongli has many forms as he is a prime adeptus. Dragon is only one of them
@@Druid0817 Not if they removed his memories. He says to us that he Neeeds to find a way to record history Better. This implies that Zhongli suspects that he indeed has another fate. This fits with his constellation not being the name of his story quest like EVERY other character, except Neuvilette now.
Clearly Zhongli knows.. let alone him being ancient.. and as he said can't tell us. Also the fact he can not be edited by the tree and the others (of so far) can. That's some big secret there too.
Nah. I'm Certain they know what a Gnosis is. At least what it does and what it holds.
Nahida quite literally didnt know what a gnosis was and she thought it was the same thing venti thought a gnosis was
Good to see you stating your sources.
lmao
Is it possible that you could make a video revolving around The Dark Sea and what you think it holds, entails or anything of the sort?
this sounds sick
In terms of the knowledge the Archons have over the 'truths' of this world, I think it's safe to say the members of the Seven that rose after the Cataclysm probably don't know as much as the older members do, and the most knowledge probably lies with the Orginal Seven. The new Seven - Focalors and Buer, didn't really have a chance to get much info as Celestia had presumably gone dormant after their ascension and they were both preoccupied by the state of their nations. (The prophecy and being trapped by the sages.) Beelzlebul/Ei is in a similar vein, she was never the Archon, ergo had no reason to possess whatever knowledge her sister did, and wasn't particularly interested in finding out. Meaning that of the current Archons left, the only ones we can get any answers from is the Pyro Archon, The Tsaritsa, or Venti.
I suspect Venti knows a great deal, but would rather not speak of it. It's a habit of his you can witness in the comic, despite his great knowledge he has a tendency to divert the subject. He most likely took advantage of the fact since the Traveler was new to the world, they would trust his authority as a god and not question his answers without any basis too. (And even then, I think he moreso told us half-truths than outright lying.) Probably the reason Venti's 2nd story quest has been held off for so long, as a character with one of the most direct connections to one of the 4 Shades, it's likely going to reveal some key information about the world.
As for why the Tsaritsa is the only one who wants to rebel- well, I'd say nuking a divine throne and restoring the power back to the Sovereign can honestly be counted as rebellion- but personally, I think while all of them vibe with 'fuck Celestia', they don't feel comfortable with direct action since, A.They probably don't think they'd ever win, and B. The cost to their people would be too great, whether or not they win or lose. The Tsaritsa, on the other hand, given her goal to 'burn the old world' (which personally, I think refers to the current one, and the wording is just the Fatui being so sure of their success that they already think there's a new world ahead), probably has either come to terms with this fact, or believes the damage dealt to her people will be worth the chance of victory.
Lastly, on the topic of visions, TVTropes provided an interesting theory as to what's happening with Electro Visions, speculating that the reason no new visions have been granted is not because of the Archon, but rather an unresolved story with the Electro Sovereign and the authority of Electro. Can't say it has any basis to build off- but I feel like it's interesting idea to share
Remember the trailer from 3 years ago, the teyvat chapter, dain said that the pyro archon will tell us something important
I actually don't think celesta is responsible for giving out visions, from what we can tell celestia is super inactive right now maybe there is a crisis happening there who knows I think it is more likely that what EI was saying but didnt finish is that the requirement is the desire for a vision and maybe the candidates need to have something else there are plenty of passionate people in tevat who don't have a vision. we'd have to look at people who we have seen get there vision like furina or wanderer what triggered the vision to appear for them, neuv coulda gave furina a vision early but something had to happen before he could give it to her.
Tsaritsa isn’t the only archon to rebel against the gods, Focalors has also done this in the recent archon quest.
Anyways, I have my own theory about who the speculated resurrection of Natlan will be, and I think it makes more sense to be one of the 7 sovereigns, since the final goal is “the old world” and the celestials are not of the old world, contrary to popular belief.
Isn't it going to be the the resurrection of the 3rd descender? Since the gnoses are made from the remains of the 3rd descender as revealed by Skirk?
@@PapaZypheros This is just my own speculation, I never really followed the whole theory about the third descender, it never really made sense to me. However, nothing has been confirmed so we’re all just having fun theory crafting while we wait for Natlan. 😊
Id argue Focalors merely deceived the heavenly principles rather then "rebelled" against them.
For her to "rebel" she would have needed to find a way to prevent the prophecy from happening which was impossible. Instead she simply found a version of the prophecy that didnt result in everyones deaths.
The tsarista on the hand is soon going to be taking the fight directly to celestia and isn't mincing words about it
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I think both of them did rebel albeit one being sneaky and one being upfront about it. Focalors by not obeying to the will of heavenly principles, destroying the divine throne (shaking the rules established by Celestia), and giving back the authority of the hydro dragon sovereign (HP's original enemy) is considered rebellion
@@Druid0817 yea this is fair
8:53 You're killing me 😭
bro i will never stop that
i'd rate them more demi-gods. at best.
The One Who Came After most likely implies the one who came after the new order was established by The Primordial One.
I dont agree but I fully get why you see it that way
I still fully believe that the third descender is the Tsarista's lover
Could you say the Gods that are minuplulating, they are baiting? So could you say they are, master baiters?
Ik I spelled manduoapfhajufuwyd so wrong
tsarista gonna take all the gnosis feed em to traveler and yeet is ass to celestia to fight
Focalors is the only archon that has done something so far
actually. movin the fuckin plot along
Archons are selfish, vain, narcissist
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
Apep said to Nahida that some of the Dragons have become familiar with "you", and people assumed that he was saying that some dragons have become friendly to humans. But............. he was talking to Nahida, and she is an Archon, a Usurper, and according to Neuvillette, humans are forgiven but Usurpers not, like humans are different but Archons has a direct link with Celestia, like if the Usurpers are "part" of Celestia. So, since he was talking with Nahida, can not be Apep, with "familiar with you", saying that some Dragons have become familiar with CELESTIA, and Tsaritsa be one of the Dragons, or at least serving to a Dragon Sovereign?????? We know she is not one of the Original Archons.
this may be a stupid question, but how can the archond channel elements if not for a gnosis/vision? is it js cus their gods or smth? like how do they js gain powers? could a pyro channeler be a lets say electro gnosis wielder? im so dumb, im sorry its not getting to my brain💀
ahaha no worries. ya archons are all gods so they can wield there respective elements regardless of a gnosis.
So for instance zhongli already had great control over geo before he became the geo archon. the gnosis does boost their power by a good amount however
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia OHHHH OKAY. THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW.. thank you so much😭😭
Don't know if this guy's videos are useful or just ... Weird. I mean the info its all right however the delivery... Umm.
Yeah I get what you mean, also some info are fake like tsaritsa being the only one rebelling against celestia when there's focalor destroying the heavenly throne.
one person says the info is right and another says its fake lmao
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia what I mean with "right" is that I get the point of what you want to say and it is at least comprehensible... And I know its your videos and you're completely free to say whatever you want in the way you want to, but there is a point where the chuckles and bad jokes get "to my point of view" cringe to put it in a word... what causes (I know not only me) to stop watching a few minutes after starting. If the info is real or fake well everybody is up to decide by their own knowledge of the game lore and criteria. Hope you take it in the most positive way.
Tbh I think that the archon system is a double security measure.we know that early humans worshiped Celestia directly or through the sheelies. Shelves used to do what archons do now, just in a much larger scale. Celestia tried to revive this system with the gods after the battle with the second who came, but it backfired as humans banded together with these gods and worshiped them instead of celestia. When the 3rd descender came e was probably on the same power or close to Celestia amd they saw an opportunity. They made the Gnosis out of the 3rd descender remains, pit the gods against each other leaving them to clean after themselves. They made the archon system we have now to control humanity (as they can communicate with the archons through the gnosis and probably get that faith energy using that connection) and keep the 3rd descender remains from coming together (as the more Gnosis you have the more fundamental laws of teyvat you can manipulate). In this way, Celestia gets worshipped, humanity still follows the archons and the archons are mouth pieces for Celestia. But something is wrong, probably the First Who Came got corrupted by the forbidden knowledge (the sustainer of the heavenly principles might be what's left of the first who came after it made the shades, but regardless she is clealry corrupted and she lives in Celestia right?) When battling the second who came and it needs rest a la venti? 😴 lol, but in all seriousness we know Celestia has been silent for a long time and the way I see it there's two options: Celestia might be silent because everything that is happening (the tsaritza rebellion, the abyss, neuvillete, etc...) is going according to their plans OR celestia just can't do anything because it's weakened by the corruption after fighting the second who came (presumably Nibelung after coming back with Forbidden Knowledge and finding Teyvat with the giant civilization of Humans instead of the light realm with Vishaps and his fellow dragons).
Maybe old theory first who came die
could be
I actually think zhongli knows about everything I mean there’s a theory that his a shade then he can’t be affected by irminsul because he has descended not born in teyvat maybe his just holding a contract to not say those things so his hinding it but his giving hints out to the traveler but it’s just a theory so I’m not sure
Pretty good vid but the schizo laugh is nerve racking
1,077 views and almost a million likes? Something isnt adding up
:3
Wait..... if the gnosis is related to the seat of power of an archon, and the seat of the hydro archon is destroyed, then the gnosis has nothing in it.
Electro in teyvat looking like less delulu people
what does this even lmfao
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia electro vision given to delulu peeps?
@@unlucky58 BRO IM CRYING WHAT IS DELULU AHAHHAHAHAHA
@@DawitsLookingforEmiliadelulu is a slang for delusional
Ther ar not telling the traveler abut ther abyssel sipling
aaa plss make content like this again sirr, i like all your theory ...
:D
on the note of acorns they are edible you just have to crack and blanch them to remove the tannins or they are bitter af. but yes they are edible
but thats not the way god intended
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Fix your title my dude. You have an extra ARE in there.
saved me brother. god bless you i hope u get the finest ass and 7000$ on christmas eve
a thing that i never noticed before and made me think a little bit now, in 8:55 you mention "before sun and moon" words, and it says "the ETERNAL throne of the heavens", and eternal doesn't means the same thing as "forever", since forever is a thing that will endure till the end of the times, but has a start point, and eternal is a thing that also will endure forever but also is enduring since before the beginning of the times, i mean, forever is forever to the future, and eternal is forever to the future but also from the past, like, before the sun and before the moon.
Oh my, i think you're right...but what foes that mean
@@nicolas._.2294 imagine those timelines
forever:
start ------------- today ------------- ∞
eternal:
∞ ----------- today ------------- ∞
There is a theory that visions are granted to people with enough ambition(desire) by Irminsul or Celestia, since they are linked it doesn't even matter which it is. There is good chance that story writers of Genshin/HoYoverse have no solid idea how it works or could still change their mind about how it should be.
Imma start saving for tsaritsa
9:01 NON PRIMORDIAL PRIMORDIAL ONE???
ah I didnt say it right so I thought it didnt deserve the music lol.
i actually recorded that part like 10 times and kept fucking it up so i just sped through it lol
I think all the Archons know or have an idea of what is happening. Otherwise they would not have given up their gnoses so easily. I think they are all distancing themselves from Celestia and have allowed the Tsaritsa to take the lead in whatever is coming. I think they have all known for slightly more than the last 500 years, which would be about when the Travelers were “heavenly summoned “ to Teyvat. The Traveler lived with the Jester, when he was a royal Madge in the court of Khaenri’ah, which would have been before the downfall of Khaenri’ah around the year 500. Sometime slightly before or around the beginning of the end, the Jester created the Fatui and the Harbingers for the Tsaritsa. Dainslief also went from being the Twilight Sword, to becoming the Boughkeeper with access to Irminsul. He or both he and the Jester had the power to manipulate and control the Traveler’s mind. Remember how Clothar jumps all over Lumine for not being who the Khaenri’ahns thought she was to become? The Abyss princess? This war at the year 500 was so awful, not only humans suffered, but the gods suffered as well. (Venti is a drunk, Zhongli has no sense of finances, or financial dysmorphia. Ei went into hiding with extreme anxiety or agoraphobia. Focalors determined she would pull a fast one on the heavenly principles by creating Farina as a false god and Niheda was imprisoned by the Head scholars of Sumeru.)
the way Ei said her line... it does actually coincide with what Neuvilllette said. She simply stated "it is not by me will that Visions are granted or denied.". what this means is that.... she herself is not the one who chooses who to give the vision to. Celestia is the one choosing who to give out Visions... she simply gives them away without knowing who these people are... and from what her words meant. She HAS been handing out visions. But it came as a surprise to her that none of them went outside of Inazuma.
1:44 Ohh the irony 🤣
Honestly the authority over visions is most likely held by a mix of the Archon's will, the holder of the gnosis and/or Celestia. Also I still don't see where Neuv can grant visions
He's the literal authority of hydro element. If you still can't see it, then you are just blind beyond saving.
If Celestia was watching that closely I doubt they would allow the fatui to aquire Visions. Correct me if I'm wrong but no one has ever said you can't weild more than one vision if so why is the tsaritsa not handing out cryo visions?
@stupidboi329 because it's probably not a conscious thing but rather a subconscious thing that Celestia approves or disapproves of, considering no electro visions were given out during Raiden's no vision decree, both have to align. Celestia probably thinks the Fatui aren't a real threat so they don't care if they get visions or not
@@shin9766 I need actual evidence
@@JetstreamTheSexSam The evidence you want is in the archon quest you literally just played.