I was always interested in watching the races but I just couldn't watch a full race in analog...it was too grainy to be that fast lol hard to see what was happening but it's beautiful with digital! I'm excited to watch races now!
I've used 100% presets, no cli, in my last batches of HDZero builds. Also apply the table so you can show channel on the OSD and use BetaFlight, ELRS, and backpack to integrate with channel & power control.
Will that also eliminate the letter-boxing on the sides of the goggle image? I’m confused because the BF OSD section showed the image being full-width, but his goggle view had letter-boxing??
Thanks. I’m sitting here messing with it as I write this. I got mine to go wide with the video setting in the camera config screen (center left stick, yaw right). There’s actually two 16:9 settings, Crop and Full. Crop worked better as Full had a lot of the canopy surrounding the cam in view.
Nice instructional video. I think the only feedback I have is that I would recommend flashing HDZero to latest firmware *before* setting up Betaflight. If the HDZ firmware firmware between your Goggles and Vtx don't match enough (Vtx is newer), you might not even get video on the googles. I had that happen to me once, already.
In that vein ... @Joshua Bardwell, can't you please call them out on not releasing firmware upgrades for the 500mW VTX anymore? Only one with an MMCX plug...
@ 21:25 even though you are behind the house, the breakup is pretty good AND, just after that when you hit the branch, I could clearly see the leaves fly off. I had started to lose faith in HDZ, but this video put it back at the top of my list. 😎
The breakup lessened once the VTX changed its output power it looks like to me, but I also don't own any HDzero product so idk if that's lockable. Then again, for racing 25mW is all you need
For easy install of gummies, use sharp tweezer thing and pinch the top of gummy and put through the hole, and slide out the tweezers. Takes 2 seconds and don’t have to worry about damaging anything.
Yes, the HD OSD format for HDZero will automatically apply, if you power up the system once. So you don't need to paste it into the CLI manually if you don't want to.
@@JoshuaBardwell I’ll check as soon as I’m back. What i can say is that i had to move the osd elements towards the centre because i fly 4:3 and wanted the osd in picture and not in the black edges.
I'd say the bitrate is the same, they're just using it differently. DJI and Walksnail huse H264/H265 encoding, so it looks at similar pixels between frames. HDZero doesn't. Each frame is individually encoded AFAIK. This means when you have a static frame, like on a bench test, DJI & Walksnail will look way better. But as soon as you start moving quickly (which, of course, is what we're doing the vast majority of our flights), DJI and especially Walksnail get "smeary"/fuzzy as the bitrate can't hold up anymore. HDZero will still look just as good as it did on the bench. Pause a video midway through a rapid turn when someone's flying Walksnail and look at how much detail you can see, then compare with the same thing with HDZero and you'll see a massive difference.
To have less breakup you could try disengaging dinamic power from ELRS. At least it was an issue on some ELRS versions, I don't know if it's already fixed. Worth a try
Hey JB, realy great helpful video, but i have a question, i got the v3 and the nano 90, my ESC is the foxeer reaper slim 60A and my FC is F722 V4 mini MPU600, the Flight controller doesn´t have the DJI plug, so i´m not sure how to solder, btw i´m plannig on using a ELRS receiver.
Im gonna be that guy and point out you had props on while working on the bench :P In all seriousness I follow that rule cause I learned it from you . Obviously if there is not power you are safe, im just being an internet troll
I'm sure I gonna invest in HDzero for my quads < 5". I'm not sure I want DJI or Walksnail for my 5". DJI seems to have better video but Walksnail is more secure for future because you know you have high compatibility with Betafligh ans so on. On DJI you never know what restrictions you will have and if you need to buy more DJI stuff from their ecosystem "to keep it alive"...
If you don't want HDZero and are concerned about DJI's behaviour, I think WS is the better alternative since they are developing a fixed latency mode. Take into account that WS will look better than HD0, specially on a still image. Then when on the move, it's almost the same. I see most pro gamers preffer having more frames at the expense of resolution, if that's a good analogy for you.
Nice. It will be even nicer when the resolution improves. Too bad I couldn't wait for the HDzero goggles, anymore, and bought the Fatshark Dominators... something tells me I'll be purchasing the HDzeros, as well should they ever become available....
If you select something other than HD on the OSD page and save, then switch back to HD, it seems to work. Not sure why that is necessary but should mean the canvas settings are not needed.
I don't think that actually sets the canvas dimensions correctly. The canvas will appear to be 16:9 but the horizontal and vertical resolution does not match the HDZero system's expectation. In my experience you always need to put the canvas lines in, except if you are using WTFOS, which correctly communicates the dimensions to the FC.
I’m not an expert in betaflight, if I use your pastepin for the OSD layout.. It’s literally just the OSD layout right? whatever other settings i’m using on betaflight will remain?
Did you run into issues with your OSD getting zoomed in / off-screen every so often? I have been having problems with this where the OSD gets messed up for no reason, and the only way to fix it is to go back into Betaflight and add/remove some OSD element, and re-save.
I must admit I find this hard to agree this is always better than analogue, though I have to say I've never actually tried HDZero myself, and it's only my opinion. I have done an awful lot of racing though, mainly in vehicles with wheels, and a little bit with (small) quads, though not official racing series, just among like minded others. The thing is, and this is just my opinion, my experience is that detail doesn't much matter, latency, certainly yes, but not detail. The reason is that you are not looking out for the unexpected - twigs etc in quads, that is freestyle's domain. You know exactly what to expect, where the course goes, what obstacles are where, what shape everything is, none of it is unexpected. What you need to do is be spacially aware of where you are in relation to them, and that does not require detail, just the big picture, in fact you have no time to see detail. I dont, anyway. It may be that the lower latency is significant, overall time loop from sticks to Rx to FC to response to camera to Vtx to goggles is what is important, I think. 60/90Hz will improve that potentially - if there aren't other latencies - but whether it is sufficient to make a real difference, I don't know, not having tried it. But there's weight. That VTx quotes 5.5g, my limited checks indicate typical HDZero cameras seem to be 8.5g, need to throw in an Rx plus wire, so say 15g in all. My typical analogue Rx/VTx/camera combination comes in at just under 4g. On a 5" that may not be enough to be significant, don't know, haven't got one, but it absolutely is on a small craft. If the craft was 200g AUW, that is over 5% and I am certain that will be measurable. If it was smaller, it will get more significant. Maybe in official racing series there is a minimum weight limit, I wouldn't know, but we have no lower limits. The cost is also quite a lot higher but one could argue that if going out and out for performance, this level of cost difference may not be relevant. If it were a question of just better or worse video, and all other factors were the same, the answer would be obvious - go for the better video. But, there are all those other factors, and therefore the overall package needs to be considered. So, it's analogue for me until the weight comes down a lot. Unfortunately though, I expect digital in the end is going to force analogue out of the market, so one will be forced that way. That is the way of it.
For what it's worth, the Whoop Lite vTX and camera together are about 8 or 9 grams. You weighed a "typical" HDzero camera but the Whoop Lite comes with an extra small camera.
@@JoshuaBardwell Fair point. But throw in an Rx and some wire and it's still around 10g or a bit less, then, I guess? Still more than 4g. My point is really weighing pros and cons. On the pro side the video quality is better and maybe the latency lower. On the con side is weight (still there, but maybe not as much as I estimated), size (not sure) and cost (my Rx/VTx/camera is about £33, not to mention I'd have to change goggles). The video quality is probably nice to have, but actually for specifically my use case, does nothing for me. Latency might. But, all the others are against it. On balance therefore, unless the latency change was really significant, there is no benefit for me to change from analogue. I'm not one of those who has to have the latest and greatest, unfortunately for the manufacturers.
I like my walksnail VRX, its very nice to fly easy at beautiful parks, but my rippers are still analog, i chose it cuz i just don't see HDzero that much better then my t-rex and baby ratel2s yet at this point, but they are doing a great job at getting better, I'd really like get HDzero goggles to replace my hdo2, just can't afford them any time soon, its just too damn expensive to feed myself these days...
Have you flown it? I had ratel 2s and t Rex and even 540p hdzero is worlds better image hands down. I used to fly sky04x led goggles too so had best possible image on analog
As an electrical engineer I have to say i don't actually like plugs fot VTX or cams. Vision is very important in FPV. This should have always a good solder conection and not plug. Actually the same for any ESC cable. And yeahhh i know this is for sure hard for the cables of a digital cam, but possible... Some unimportant systems like GPS or beeper can be connected via plug.
@@philippkreiser9919 Yep i also had experience with losen plug of the cam with my brand new meteor65 Pro. That's why today I am for soldering every important conection.
Never heard of the MIPI come off. The U.FLs are a matter of a lot of anger and discussion, though. Noone will learn how to properly solder 5.7GHz antenna cables. Fortunately there's MMCX. Unfortunately it's come out of fashion again with HD. WHY??
Ill take a free ghost video transmitter, i just got my firt race drone (arris c250 v2) and the video is not very good lol vtx on it is only a 200mw so range is very short lol
I was just at my storage and saw all the unused spares... I should fly more and upgrade less But the change to digital was for me the revolution which got me back to hike and fly
Great a 4th race VTX....and still no mid power VTX, nor any fix for 1080p30 stutering. On top of this, they basically shot in the back of the first third party that proposed a VTX, Foxeer. I don't understand this company.
I also don't understand why they did that to Foxeer. I'v heard Fxr had lots of problems with the vtx and delayed its announcement many times. That could be a reason why hd0 decided not to wait more to show what they have had on the bench.
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We need HDZero and ELRS on the same board.
I really think it's merely a matter of time at this point.
Oh... That will perfect!
@@Super_Mario_Fpv I agree and I can’t wait.
But why?
@@PhrozenN to save space for racing quad
So much better spectating racers with so many of them running HDZero now
True
I bet!
I was always interested in watching the races but I just couldn't watch a full race in analog...it was too grainy to be that fast lol hard to see what was happening but it's beautiful with digital! I'm excited to watch races now!
"I thought I said I did the research!" - had me rolling 4:45
HDzero is awesome. The latency difference is there for me.
Just added this to two Switchbacks yesterday.
Please do a 3-3.5” build
3"
Looks like the HDZero firmware release yesterday added the 540P60 support.
I've used 100% presets, no cli, in my last batches of HDZero builds. Also apply the table so you can show channel on the OSD and use BetaFlight, ELRS, and backpack to integrate with channel & power control.
in the HD osd tab if you click NTSC then click back to HD the window will reset and show the proper with and height.
Will that also eliminate the letter-boxing on the sides of the goggle image? I’m confused because the BF OSD section showed the image being full-width, but his goggle view had letter-boxing??
@@modquad18in my case it did allow the OSD to spread all the way to the edge.
Thanks. I’m sitting here messing with it as I write this. I got mine to go wide with the video setting in the camera config screen (center left stick, yaw right). There’s actually two 16:9 settings, Crop and Full. Crop worked better as Full had a lot of the canopy surrounding the cam in view.
I just go myself hd zero and ill be rebuilding all my racequads for it on monday, this video is perfect
Nice instructional video. I think the only feedback I have is that I would recommend flashing HDZero to latest firmware *before* setting up Betaflight. If the HDZ firmware firmware between your Goggles and Vtx don't match enough (Vtx is newer), you might not even get video on the googles. I had that happen to me once, already.
In that vein ... @Joshua Bardwell, can't you please call them out on not releasing firmware upgrades for the 500mW VTX anymore? Only one with an MMCX plug...
@ 21:25 even though you are behind the house, the breakup is pretty good AND, just after that when you hit the branch, I could clearly see the leaves fly off.
I had started to lose faith in HDZ, but this video put it back at the top of my list. 😎
The breakup lessened once the VTX changed its output power it looks like to me, but I also don't own any HDzero product so idk if that's lockable. Then again, for racing 25mW is all you need
For easy install of gummies, use sharp tweezer thing and pinch the top of gummy and put through the hole, and slide out the tweezers. Takes 2 seconds and don’t have to worry about damaging anything.
After 3 years on analog, I am asking Santa for HDZero this Christmas.
Hopepfully you've been a goood boi or Santa's gonna whoop yo ass 🎅
Did santa deliver?
@@risler5826 No :( Lol Looks like its analog for life.
Owell
Yes, the HD OSD format for HDZero will automatically apply, if you power up the system once. So you don't need to paste it into the CLI manually if you don't want to.
That hasnt been my experience. In my experience only WTFOS communicates the canvas size. Maybe it's changed in a newer firmware?
@@JoshuaBardwell wait...what? They didn't add it yet? I gotta test it myself. I'm not so sure anymore 😀
I converted my crux35 to HDZ (foxeer vtx) on BF4.4.2 and it did it automatically
Did you confirm that the dimensions are right? Put something in the very lower-right-most corner and see if it's matching position in the goggles?
@@JoshuaBardwell I’ll check as soon as I’m back. What i can say is that i had to move the osd elements towards the centre because i fly 4:3 and wanted the osd in picture and not in the black edges.
I’ll take one of those extra transmitters!
Hey bardwell. I'll take those old ghost vtx's..im poor rn and still rockin analog. Ive seen all your digital content tho. A guy can dream..
Yes!
Would recommend the 40mm MIPI cable for this one though! 😉
it actualy is as "high resolution as other system at 720p or 1080p" the bitrate may be lower, but the resolution is the same resolution
I'd say the bitrate is the same, they're just using it differently. DJI and Walksnail huse H264/H265 encoding, so it looks at similar pixels between frames. HDZero doesn't. Each frame is individually encoded AFAIK. This means when you have a static frame, like on a bench test, DJI & Walksnail will look way better. But as soon as you start moving quickly (which, of course, is what we're doing the vast majority of our flights), DJI and especially Walksnail get "smeary"/fuzzy as the bitrate can't hold up anymore. HDZero will still look just as good as it did on the bench. Pause a video midway through a rapid turn when someone's flying Walksnail and look at how much detail you can see, then compare with the same thing with HDZero and you'll see a massive difference.
"Diving into unexpected sinsuations" 😂 cracked me up hahah
I think if you just switch OSD types, then go back to HD, it'll work. At least the last 5 qwads I've set up have done this.
Excellent review, Joshua! Thanks a bunch! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I am building a pair of Armatan gecko 4" sub 250 with this VTX and the HAKRC AIO and it was sooooo easy!!
I could really use a video transmitter for my new TP3 builds im working on!
To have less breakup you could try disengaging dinamic power from ELRS. At least it was an issue on some ELRS versions, I don't know if it's already fixed. Worth a try
“Seeennnnd iiiiit, seeeeennnd iiiiit“ - Joshua Bardwell 😂😂😂
Hitting the fence gap … 👍
Hey JB, realy great helpful video, but i have a question, i got the v3 and the nano 90, my ESC is the foxeer reaper slim 60A and my FC is F722 V4 mini MPU600, the Flight controller doesn´t have the DJI plug, so i´m not sure how to solder, btw i´m plannig on using a ELRS receiver.
I wonder how much 90 fps realy helps concidering all the other delays? Sure 90 is smoother but I think I would prever 60 with more pixels.
@@AITullball3333 because of the fast compression algorithm they use, it looks a bit blurry compared to the DJI crispness.
Im gonna be that guy and point out you had props on while working on the bench :P In all seriousness I follow that rule cause I learned it from you . Obviously if there is not power you are safe, im just being an internet troll
I'm sure I gonna invest in HDzero for my quads < 5". I'm not sure I want DJI or Walksnail for my 5". DJI seems to have better video but Walksnail is more secure for future because you know you have high compatibility with Betafligh ans so on. On DJI you never know what restrictions you will have and if you need to buy more DJI stuff from their ecosystem "to keep it alive"...
If you don't want HDZero and are concerned about DJI's behaviour, I think WS is the better alternative since they are developing a fixed latency mode. Take into account that WS will look better than HD0, specially on a still image. Then when on the move, it's almost the same. I see most pro gamers preffer having more frames at the expense of resolution, if that's a good analogy for you.
Nice. It will be even nicer when the resolution improves. Too bad I couldn't wait for the HDzero goggles, anymore, and bought the Fatshark Dominators... something tells me I'll be purchasing the HDzeros, as well should they ever become available....
I did, wish I got the zeros first xD. I ordered from the site and it took less than 7 days. Came before the VTXs i ordered.
@@mark6302 Do you like the HDzero goggles better than the dominators when flying walksnail?
@@mlentsch Both googles are quite comparable in terms of screen quality. It's a matter of wich ones adjust better to your face.
@@miquelmarti6537 nice to hear - thanks, Miquel!
If you select something other than HD on the OSD page and save, then switch back to HD, it seems to work. Not sure why that is necessary but should mean the canvas settings are not needed.
I don't think that actually sets the canvas dimensions correctly. The canvas will appear to be 16:9 but the horizontal and vertical resolution does not match the HDZero system's expectation. In my experience you always need to put the canvas lines in, except if you are using WTFOS, which correctly communicates the dimensions to the FC.
Hd zero is a clear advantage at the local whoop races, no one else and see a damn thing though all the video noise
You wanna sell me those ghost vtx’s JB?
6:35 WHOOP THERE IT IS 🎶 🤗
I’m not an expert in betaflight, if I use your pastepin for the OSD layout.. It’s literally just the OSD layout right? whatever other settings i’m using on betaflight will remain?
Cats been sleeping on the laundry again 🐈
i have an BETA FPV A02 800mw vtx so is the ghost better? i would evt take it if you want to ship to germany
Are you done with the live streams or just taking a break? Miss ya bro🤙
Traveling. I'll be back though.
@@JoshuaBardwell sweet, be safe in your travels ✌️
You're using tiny whoop analog. With hdzero goggles Do you still use HD setting on Beta flight osd settings?
No
pls hdzero give us atleast 600mw on the race vtx
does the camera menu works in dji ? i use a caddx vista
I love Lamp
Did you run into issues with your OSD getting zoomed in / off-screen every so often? I have been having problems with this where the OSD gets messed up for no reason, and the only way to fix it is to go back into Betaflight and add/remove some OSD element, and re-save.
I haven't run into that.
I must admit I find this hard to agree this is always better than analogue, though I have to say I've never actually tried HDZero myself, and it's only my opinion.
I have done an awful lot of racing though, mainly in vehicles with wheels, and a little bit with (small) quads, though not official racing series, just among like minded others. The thing is, and this is just my opinion, my experience is that detail doesn't much matter, latency, certainly yes, but not detail. The reason is that you are not looking out for the unexpected - twigs etc in quads, that is freestyle's domain. You know exactly what to expect, where the course goes, what obstacles are where, what shape everything is, none of it is unexpected. What you need to do is be spacially aware of where you are in relation to them, and that does not require detail, just the big picture, in fact you have no time to see detail. I dont, anyway.
It may be that the lower latency is significant, overall time loop from sticks to Rx to FC to response to camera to Vtx to goggles is what is important, I think. 60/90Hz will improve that potentially - if there aren't other latencies - but whether it is sufficient to make a real difference, I don't know, not having tried it.
But there's weight. That VTx quotes 5.5g, my limited checks indicate typical HDZero cameras seem to be 8.5g, need to throw in an Rx plus wire, so say 15g in all. My typical analogue Rx/VTx/camera combination comes in at just under 4g. On a 5" that may not be enough to be significant, don't know, haven't got one, but it absolutely is on a small craft. If the craft was 200g AUW, that is over 5% and I am certain that will be measurable. If it was smaller, it will get more significant. Maybe in official racing series there is a minimum weight limit, I wouldn't know, but we have no lower limits.
The cost is also quite a lot higher but one could argue that if going out and out for performance, this level of cost difference may not be relevant.
If it were a question of just better or worse video, and all other factors were the same, the answer would be obvious - go for the better video. But, there are all those other factors, and therefore the overall package needs to be considered.
So, it's analogue for me until the weight comes down a lot. Unfortunately though, I expect digital in the end is going to force analogue out of the market, so one will be forced that way. That is the way of it.
For what it's worth, the Whoop Lite vTX and camera together are about 8 or 9 grams. You weighed a "typical" HDzero camera but the Whoop Lite comes with an extra small camera.
@@JoshuaBardwell Fair point. But throw in an Rx and some wire and it's still around 10g or a bit less, then, I guess? Still more than 4g.
My point is really weighing pros and cons. On the pro side the video quality is better and maybe the latency lower. On the con side is weight (still there, but maybe not as much as I estimated), size (not sure) and cost (my Rx/VTx/camera is about £33, not to mention I'd have to change goggles).
The video quality is probably nice to have, but actually for specifically my use case, does nothing for me. Latency might. But, all the others are against it. On balance therefore, unless the latency change was really significant, there is no benefit for me to change from analogue.
I'm not one of those who has to have the latest and greatest, unfortunately for the manufacturers.
I like my walksnail VRX, its very nice to fly easy at beautiful parks, but my rippers are still analog, i chose it cuz i just don't see HDzero that much better then my t-rex and baby ratel2s yet at this point, but they are doing a great job at getting better, I'd really like get HDzero goggles to replace my hdo2, just can't afford them any time soon, its just too damn expensive to feed myself these days...
Have you flown it? I had ratel 2s and t Rex and even 540p hdzero is worlds better image hands down. I used to fly sky04x led goggles too so had best possible image on analog
In my years of trucking/cb radios I was told never to coil up coax. Does it not affect the signal?
It's not the best but you do what you have to do.
Haha I’ll take the ghost boards 😬
Hey Joshua, I'll take a ghost VTX if you have it available, TY!
Email me jb@joshuabardwell.com
Is the 90 fps camera the only one you can change the camera settings.
No they all can.
@@JoshuaBardwell do I need a special firmware? Updated to latest firmware, accessed the menu, but nothing available to change under camera option.
Drone go fast drone big blast ohh look im at full mast.
As an electrical engineer I have to say i don't actually like plugs fot VTX or cams. Vision is very important in FPV. This should have always a good solder conection and not plug. Actually the same for any ESC cable. And yeahhh i know this is for sure hard for the cables of a digital cam, but possible... Some unimportant systems like GPS or beeper can be connected via plug.
I lost one quad because the esc plug shortly disconnected during a harsh maneuver and the FC lost power....
@@philippkreiser9919 Yep i also had experience with losen plug of the cam with my brand new meteor65 Pro. That's why today I am for soldering every important conection.
@@Sugalime3D_FPV For me it was a Meteor 85 😂😂 BetaFPV doesn't seem to hold up pretty well. My Cetus Pro also gave up after a small timespan
Never heard of the MIPI come off. The U.FLs are a matter of a lot of anger and discussion, though. Noone will learn how to properly solder 5.7GHz antenna cables. Fortunately there's MMCX. Unfortunately it's come out of fashion again with HD. WHY??
Ill take a free ghost video transmitter, i just got my firt race drone (arris c250 v2) and the video is not very good lol vtx on it is only a 200mw so range is very short lol
Why you should want 540p hd, if can have same resolution with analog??
Lower latency. But analog isn't 480p?
Or 420p... Something like that.
@@MCsCreations I got dji o3 in use with 1080p,maybe you can feel some latency in some conditions but the image is very good
The image is still MUCH clearer with HDZero even with 540p.
@@MCsCreationseven worse, 480i
I would really appreciate that vtx😂, i m not into that kind of racing though
I would Take a Imersion RC set😂
I was just at my storage and saw all the unused spares...
I should fly more and upgrade less
But the change to digital was for me the revolution which got me back to hike and fly
"Unused spares"?
You mean the old VTX?
I'll have one!
Great a 4th race VTX....and still no mid power VTX, nor any fix for 1080p30 stutering.
On top of this, they basically shot in the back of the first third party that proposed a VTX, Foxeer. I don't understand this company.
I also don't understand why they did that to Foxeer. I'v heard Fxr had lots of problems with the vtx and delayed its announcement many times. That could be a reason why hd0 decided not to wait more to show what they have had on the bench.
Is Caddx walksnail new low latency mode gonna dominate racing sometime soon?
I know i can heard the pain is ok .😅
You do realize that what you and Stingy are saying is that HDZero literally makes you as better pilot?
🤫
If a better car can make you a better pilot, then yes
I'd take free stuff for my nonexistent fpv drone, 100%
can i get a free ghost receiver???? Cmon JB!
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Daddy, no!
The break up is much less amazing
I like turtles
Same
trains bettet
@maticz3923 what about Franklin the turtle riding Thomas the train????
@@easyefpv6609 now that's epic