@@ShamanMcLamie I mean adding a sense of realism tends to help with immersion. And those things tend to help with the whole "being a good movie" thing which the sequels haven't really done all that well.
@@justinc6257 I was joking obviously because Star Wars clearly doesn't adhere to our rules of physics and science, but I do agree the Star Wars Universe does have it's own rules and laws and those in universe rules need to be respected which the Sequel Trilogy hasn't done.
I do like the First Order's Resurgent class but that's about it. Prequels were FAR FAR better at introducing new ships, IMO the Venator is the nicest looking ship in all of Star Wars.
If I had to choose a ship to command in star wars, I'd take a venator. Doesn't matter if it needs to be overhauled with upgrades. I'd also make sure I had a wing of arc-170s on board because those things were cool.
Ironically, Rogue One had the best ‘’new’’ starship designs. The U-Wing looks new, while also looking like it fits with the era. And the Tie Striker reminded me a lot of the Tie Phantom, which is one of my favorite EU ships, and while they were used very little, they do look cool. I do wish the sequels had done more with their designs. Even in phantom menace, with the colorful and perfect ships, it has this, Star Wars feel, one that only George had the ability to feel and notice. I hope they create new things moving on, and that they really take advantage of the huge mythos in the future. Edit: I forgot to mention the planets, while the sequels have given us basically the same (snow planets, desert planets, forest planets) Rogue One gave us Jedha, that, while it is a desert, it’s way more rocky, and the city looks interesting and far different from tatooine, as well as Scarif of course, which is my favorite of the newest planets added.
In my opinion, Rogue One is the only new movie that perfectly captured that star wars essense that was present in the first 6 movies. Solo and TFA did it at times, and I did enjoy them but TLJ feels like it shouldn't even exist in all honesty.
@@tinobenfante7315 completely agreed. I went in to R1 with the mindset that it didn't need to be made. We didn't need to know exactly how they got the Death Star plans. I was fully prepared to not like it. But I came out very impressed. It told a good story, had amazing cinematography and decent acting. It fit in well with the OT and didn't try to change too much as far as canon, just added to it. And it had some really cool easter eggs. I realize that it sounds like I'm kinda sucking it off... I actually did have some gripes with it and I don't think it's perfect. The ending was fucking killer though, and the rest was inoffensive compared to the new main series entries. It's my favorite out of the Disney SW films by a large margin.
@@S0HJIN For the same reason any director/producer/franchise creator gets casual credit for smaller things in their universes. Because ultimately the buck stops with George. Saying that all he did was "rubber stamp things" is reductive and tries to make it seem as if he had little to do with actually creating assets for the movies he produced and directed. Even if he didn't personally draw the concept art for every single ship , alien or building in Star Wars, he oversaw the people who did and out of the many things that were put in front of him he chose only the ones that fit his vision. Besides, how do you know which ships he put a lot of input into? Obviously there were some that he spent more personal time on, but he could very well have spent time with the artists who made any ship.
I think in general that the sequels are too focused on being nostalgic for fans of the original trilogy, rather than being original and new. The prequels had a lot of problems but the visuals and aesthetics were very original and creative!
@Alejandro Feo Cecin Parts of it were original, except the young, Force sensitive orphan from the prior movie seeking out a reclusive master to train them, only to leave early to save their friends.
@@Jan_2000 7 borrowed heavily from 4, 8 borrowed a lot from 5 and 9 borrowed from 6. Say what you want about the prequels (they aren't my favorites), but at least they told an original story with a completely different story structure.
Probably for legitimacy and nostalgia. The new republic was trying to be a rebirth of the republic, so used a similar name to convince star systems to join them and bring back the good old days
I hated how they went with the "resistance" instead of the New Republic. There are other fleets than the Hosnian Defense Fleet. Lea should have been Grand Admiral of her own fleet.
@@DirectorBird @Saberian Dream In legends the Galactic Federation (Which was also called the Federal Republic at times.) came after the New Republic was disbanded, so you're not far off.
Princes Leia Solo-Organa was never a fleet officer. She was a member of the strategy board/command staff of the Rebel Alliance. Her profession, prior to the destruction of Alderaan, was Imperial Diplomat. No where in the OT was it even hinted at that she was trained in ship combat let alone ship command. Therefore, she shouldn't have been given her own fleet. The only person I could see becoming a Grand Admiral, other than Akbar, would be Han Solo, if he takes the perquisite training in fleet doctrine and tactics. Even that is a bit of a stretch. I see Han Solo remaining a General in Republic Special Operation Forces... like the ones he commanded at Endor.
In Legends Han did command a fleet in the New Republic navy for a while and I was hoping they would do something similar in the new canon but they killed any real chance of that hard and fast.
I didn’t want it, but I’ll be the first to say that I think Solo is the best Star Wars film under Disney. That said, Rogue One hands down has the best space battle.
OT: Giant Empire vs Ragtag Freedom Fighters PT: Two Grand Armies slugging it out ST: I would’ve loved to see a role reversal btwn a restored Republic Fleet vs a Guerrilla Imperial Remnant (maybe with mini-superlasers on hit-&-run star destroyers?) !
Yeah, a guerilla Imperial Remnant was basically everything that the EU did, wasn't it? The villains in hiding, like cockroaches, trying to rebuild the Empire, with the New Republic and New Jedi Order left to mop them up for the next few generations. Presumably... that's precisely the problem; the Empire becomes a terrorist organisation, and Disney isn't exactly comfortable with something like that, in light of everything in the real world. So, with no choice about skipping the time since ROTJ... they don't know how to pick up the story from there with anything other than the Big Bad succeeding in re-building the Empire. And then what happens? They lose to the good guys again. It's Disney, there isn't any other ending they'd go with but a "happily ever after"... because they don't know how to tell the "after" part.
Let me put this into perspective: In the prequels, Jango Fett uses a bomb ,when fighting Obi Wan, that looks like it could take out an asteroid (Seen in this video) In the sequels, over 100 years later, we have “magnetic bombs” that are carried by slow moving bombers Where is the technological advance?
@@kraigisboss The bombs in the prequel that fett had were supposed to show the power of the mandalorians, a better comparison is the shielding between trilogies. The shields on the dreadnought were extremely powerful and the bombs were supposed to be planetary, so while the movie and creativity is terrible, the technology is clearly more advanced.
There are technological advancements in the eu and in the ot and prequels then the sequels came about and they just redid everything we’ve already seen.
One other thing I really dont like about the sequel trilogy is the fact that we get little to no big space battles and no capital ship combat. It feels like the galaxy in the new films has just completley run out of ships.
Agreed. That drove me nuts in TLJ. I was like "really? This is the entirety of the First Order fleet, and the entirety of the Resistance fleet? In the whole damn galaxy?"
@Joshua Greger I know, one of the best light saber battles was the one with Obi Wan and qui gon vs maul. Anakin vs Obi Wan was good... I wish anakin's lightsaber went red. Though I reckon one of the best space battles was in rogue one. Or at least on par with return of the jedi.
One of my favorite parts about Star Wars is the Space Opera aspect. And while the sequels have had some space battles like the attack on Starkiller base or the Mandator. There has been nothing quite to the scale of the Battle of Scarif or the Battle of Endor. I just want more space battles in my space fantasy.
they should have gone all out. scale the shit up a stage or two and go for the LOTGH scale. also they should have taken alot of plot ideas from that anime.
What I really wanted was a fleet of New Republic Capital ships that are on par with the Old Republic fleets and have them do Battle with the First Order Star Destroyers.
I feel like they should have held off on shooting Starkiller. Have both the First Order and Resistance show up at Takodana at the same time. Have the Resistance fight valiantly, but losing. Then the Republic Fleet shows up and beats the First Order back. This justifies the First Order using Starkiller and when Starkiller Destroys Hosnian Prime and the Republic Fleet it really lays home the gravity of what was done. The audience actually had a connection with and understand the importance of what was destroyed instead of it just being a bunch of random planets that get blown up.
It's something I was commenting on right after seeing TFA: Clone Wars era: The Y-Wing is the hottest new light bomber available to the Republic Navy. Original Series Era: Twenty years later, the Y-Wing is the only Clone Wars fighter still seeing widespread frontline service, and that because the Rebel Alliance doesn't have anything better in sufficient numbers to replace it. Tends to rely on newer X-Wings and A-Wings to protect it against increasingly more capable TIEs. Sequel Era: Thirty years later, we have a more streamlined X-Wing! And the First Order has gone back to the hexagonal-winged TIEs despite that configuration being in the process of being replaced by TIE Interceptors and other dagger-winged designs at the time of RotJ! 'Twas a bit of a disappointment, to say the least. I'm not all that fond of the E-Wing personally (to me, visually it looks like a more primitive fighter than the X- and A- and feels like it's just "better" due to writer fiat: it'd probably look at home among the Clone Wars designs, not as something that's a generation beyond the X-wing and legends A-wing) but at least the Expanded Universe contributor who came up with it tried...
It's just so frustrating to see the artists introduce fantastic concept art that carries the franchise forwards and the suits just block all those proposals. Then reviewers say said franchise were creatively bankrupt or the parent company. *Never forget: the suits are creatively bankrupt, not the artists!*
Absolutely! The artists in every trilogy have been incredible. It's the people writing and green-lighting things that need to lift their game. And people keep on crediting the director for all the designs past and present.
Who actually said that the artists were creatively bankrupt? The way I see it, the _project_ (the finished movie) is called creatively bankrupt, and you can't honestly deny that that's true, even if there's plenty of genuinely talented people working on the movie that want to make it creative, imaginative, and, you know, _good._
@@georgecostanza712 J. J. Abrams is creatively bankrupt. Ruin Johnson is actively at war with the concept of creativity, trying really hard to completely wipe it off the face of the universe.
Some fucking boomers came and said "this is not my star wars, my star wars were only the 3 movies I watched when I was still able to take in new ideas! Expanded universe what? Divercity in storytelling what? I peed my pants!" Smh
@Palpatine McSenateFace seriously and even those movies had some shit wrong with them only reson i can think of why the were re-released a few times over
What about crait or how Luke acted on his temptation by the dark side, or that the leader of the antagonist faction is a wild card and is hated by the people he leads
In general legends made both the empire and especially the galaxy and the new republic just amazing and big and powerfull. The sequels feel like a sandbox fight..shit length and depth and just fells underwhelming. First order is just a bunch of fuck ups with incompetence and the republic is still a splinter faction for some fucking reason and still dominated by plot armor. In legends the new republic had countless backup fleets and became a true force after endor and the empire still kicked and took names and weren't complete losers
Dis-canon writers never really seem to grasp how big a planet, let alone a galaxy is so everything just feels smal and contained. Star Wars has always had a problem with scale but it's exceptional bad now.
@@user-Jay178 indeed. In legends , the rebels did win a lot but there was also a lot of times when the empire won, kicked ass and took names and showed it's an empire. The thrawn arc, dark empire and other arcs rly show the empire as competent and real powerfull. Not to mention the imperial remnant and the paleon faction wich is far superior. With the first order, no matter how much they have at their disposal either they will die from immense plot armor or die by their own incompetence and sheer stupidity. I hate it
@@paulomr445 indeed. At least before especially in legends , the war against the vong , or the dark empire felt big and in depth with both political and military backgrounds. In cannon, is just the same ol shit but worse
Basically everything about the sequels just screams "lazy writing and designing." No true thought put into the story, no true effort put into ship design, and no expansions to the lore.
One of the more interesting things about the prequals was actually being in the populated, centers of civilization. Up until that point the original trilogy only had us on the fringes. We saw Tatooine and Yavin, Hoth, Dagoba and Cloud city, then Tatooine again and another wilderness. It wasn't until Naboo and certain city planets that we actually the places where things happened. What the rebellion was fighting to free in the first place. What does the sequels have? Canto Bites? (yes, that place bites)
Tony Stark had a new Iron Man suit in nearly every appearance in the MCU. In earth terms, fighter jets get revamped to keep them in fighting shape but inevitably get replaced at some point. Ywings were old in the original trilogy, but would be ancient at this point in the sequel trilogy. And the Xwing is old enough that replacements should be if not in the testing phase, be in the planning stage.
Leopard 2 tanks are first build 1979... M1A2 Abrahams Tanks are from 1980... B-52 are from 1950.. M16 are from 1967.. F-18 are from 1978... and I could tell you houndrets more ... so even on eart 30 years is nothing... and now think about a Sci Fi universe where you can upgrade much more.. there will be new ships, yes.. but not a total change every 30 years. Also look at States like Irak.. or Iran.. or Afrika.. there the military often uses technology from the 50. and 60. years. And it is still enough. (as long as you don´t fight the US or some other superpower)
@@BlackXIV There was no big war since the 1950s though. In the first and second ww tech advanced massively and if my goal is to attack someone I surely would come up with a new design instead of the same old garbage TIE fighters.
@@Stego1819 1. That are new TIE fighters... faster.. better weapons.. and they have schilds and hyperdrive.. and 2. They won with them against the new repuplic!
@@BlackXIV I mean a different design. If u are able to put better weapons on something u need to make it bigger or sth. To make it faster you need to change the design. They never beat the New Republic in direct combat before episode 7 either.
Honestly one of the best things to come out of this trilogy are the Resurgent-class and Supremacy. I love those ships. But yeah starfighters are lacking :P
I miss politics in Star Wars even the OT had politics i dont understand why Disney thinks politics are boring that was one of the best part of the Prequels
The prequels had a really good idea for a movie - even though the execution wasn't great but they had character. A gigantic trade cooperation trying to succeed from an equally gigantic galactical republic in a clash instigated by the sith to regain control over the galaxy - all before the backdrop of two of the most beloved characters of the OT, Anakian Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi - thats what made the third so great and even the first one had its moments ( though its definitely the weakest out of the prequels ). And then the sequels basically scratch all of these ideas for what, a bit of drama that really just tried to force a message in the weirdest possible way? So much wasted potential. Hopefully, 9 ends up flashing us all.
I actually enjoy the political aspect of SW almost as much as the military aspect. Makes it feel more realistic and relatable. Like in TCW when the Republic and Separatists were about to negotiate an end to the war but a terrorist attack draws them back at it again. I found it sort of relatable to our own history; people staging attacks to spur the violence they seek
Having the first order take a pointy, triangular style would have been cool. Having the TIE Dagger as the stock fighter would have helped to distinguish the First Order
This strategy is what is killing toy sales in my opinion. What cool new ship, alien, character, or Droid design are kids going to want from this trilogy. I can think of a dozen background characters from the Prequels that a kid would take over any of the Sequels main characters.
gheddi there’s actually a place in the SW saga timeline where Disney could work and no one would complain that much. But it would have to be darker than the eclipse episode of berserk.
Y'know, I feel the same way about the aliens in the sequel trilogy. Its time cool looking characters stop being allocated to background props and be actually protagonists. For example, Benthic Two-Tubes is compelling within the comics because he was given a chance to chew the scenes, so to speak.
Disney is more interested in having women and POC in those prominent positions. They could give a fuck about having a Twi'lek as a main character of a movie.
I want to see new aliens but also more of the classic races. Where are the Kel Dor, Umbarans, Trandoshans, Rodians, Twileks, Iridorians, Echanti, Noghri, Hutts, Mon Calamari, Bothans, Gran, Duros, and Weequay in the Sequel trilogy.
and Star Wings/gun boats, Missile boats, A-9 Interceptor, TIE/D droids, TIE Phantoms, etc. etc. so many missed opportunities You could still have Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron with their old X-Wings appear on the battlefield for nostalgic value.
or ffs give them TIE Hunters, yeah its an X-wing knock off but it would show that Sienar Jaemus, is *learning* from the past and learning from their competitors, using their TIE design with some of the best parts of their rivals over at Incom/Frytek and what made the X-wing superior to their own designs for so long.
IMO, they should have taken advantage of the Resistance status of being outside of the New Republic and had them flying some of the 'Scum' associated ships like Cloakshapes and Z-95s etc instead of just new versions of Rebel Alliance ships. Maybe bring those out in the second or third movie when the FO and NR come to proper blows.
They wrote themselves into a corner by making the setting deliberately lacking a drive to progress. The New Republic is a laid back passive society when it comes to the military so they would sensibly just update what they began with instead of particularly going for a new exciting design, whereas the First Order is a remnant of the Empire that longs for their glory days so even they would lean on the Nostalgia factor to give themselves some "legitimacy". They are not factions written to be innovative. A missed opportunity is the Resistance using New Republic hand me downs, where they could have been more creative and used designs from fleets of member worlds like say, Mandalore or Corellia. One could imagine that in the lore, with the members of the New Republic having to fend for themselves given that the galactic government is saying they should just defend themselves, ship designs would vary wildly because all the separate cultures and races would make ships that fit their needs.
Honestly though, even a relatively passive New Republic should be getting new ship (or at least starfighter) designs. One of the biggest changes strategically from our world to the Star Wars galaxy is the way unit costs work. In our world, developing a new fighter is a hugely expensive endeavor, made worse by the fact that there could very well be less than a thousand (or less than 100, or even less than that) ever built. However, when you scale things to a galactic government, a few things change. First is the sheer scale of things. Let's be conservative and assume that there are only 1000 planets of note. Each of these 1000 planets has, say, twice the resources of a current Earth superpower. That's 2000x the resources available, or in other words, the relative cost to the society to develop a new starfighter is 2000x less. It's still a lot for the company designing it, yes, but it's not like a new starfighter is going to balloon the NR's military budget. Second, having a full galaxy means that as long as your starfighter is good, it's going to get purchased enough to make the design worthwhile-you can probably count on selling between 2,000 to 10,000 (if the government buys it, maybe even up to a million or more). An advanced design is generally going to be worth the initial investment of developing it, and reliably building more than 2,000 starfighters of a design means unit costs for the program will be far lower than the current average on our world. Also note the "if the government buys it." Unlike our world, Star Wars companies aren't necessarily dependent on government contracts for things smaller than capital ships. Private owners buy starships all the time, and most planetary governments want some kind of local defense fleet independent of the galactic government, ESPECIALLY when the galactic government doesn't seem to be putting much priority on defense. 50 planets buying 100 of your starfighter each puts you at 5,000 sold, and again, that's probably a conservative estimate. Sorry to toss a novel out here, I just got thinking.
I agree, the background plot of the sequel trilogy should have been about a roughly equal-strength New Republic vs. First Order all-out war like you stated.
I heartily agree, I wasn't too happy with the plot line being the exact same as OT but the rebellion has blue blasters and wedge is now poe vs the empire but the death star is just illum. And let's be honest, crait is just hoth but red underneath and the literally evacuated because of atats but actually not. But this could have all been over looked if I could still get the same sense of wonder as in the other six, but no. Even the Jedi is an orphan on a desert planet looking at the stars wondering who their parent are, but surprise surprise he is the sith lord
I don’t care much about that kind of thing. What really bothers me is that my interpretation of the saga Lucas created was trampled for a far less interesting narrative. It’s all just retread. I don’t even hate these movies, but they’re honestly really dull in a lot of ways. Some good characters at least.
@@ericp1139 The First Order are just the remains of the Empire who fled into the Unknown Regions, and the Resistance was formed by Leia, because she was frustrated that the New Republic wasn't acting fast enough with the First Order.
@@shorewall The thing that bothers me the most, is you have to read the novels to get that information. Since not everyone reads the current EU, people are at a disadvantage, since they don't know the why or how to things, and so don't care when things happen in the movies.
Dark Fusion19 but why wouldn’t the new republic not act fast enough with the first order. The new republic was literally the rebel alliance made to destroy the empire. And when basically a new empire comes along they don’t do anything. It’s like occupation forces in Germany after ww2 not doing anything about thousands of pro nazis arming themselves to overthrow the government.
the dinner plate thing was because Roddenberry wanted to create spaceships that weren’t all tubes at the time, and give Star Trek a obvious unique aspect.
Michael McGrath Except the OC never talked about the prequels, you’re objectively wrong considering that the prequels were made by the creator of SW, so he should know better what feels and what doesn’t feel SW, and even if it had been done by someone else, the prequels are far more respectful of what SW is and is about, than the sequels.
GreatYeetForward69 Nor even that terrible of a script. I mean, sure, there are cringy moments, but most of it is just fine. Not that it couldn’t have been better, but still.
@@deadshot5007 bro that fleet was copy and paste, it was a civilian fleet. You’d expect a more militaristic looking fleet maybe with better mon cala ships, nebula Star destroyers, b frigates etc
The moment the 1st trailer for Force Awakens was revealed, and I saw the X-wing and Tie Fighter, I knew that something was wrong and it was true... all of it
"Tactically the Resistance bombers are pretty questionable...." Questionable is fancy word for terrible/useless/nonsensical/etc. I'd like to see more creativity, but one that goes hand in hand with logic and in-universe usefulness.
@@FlipDarkFuture It still doesn't exucuse their terrible design. A CR90 modified to hold the payload of 2 of these bombers would be still faster and more resilient than these abominations.
The mc75 is giving me borderline knockoff vibes when compared to the dauntless heavy cruiser. And the design of the hammerhead dates back all the way to KOTOR
Yes, dudes, Hammerhead is from KotOR. This particular model is from Rebels, to be exact. But are there many people who know that? Have we seen Hammerhead in any film? In any case, does any of that change my statement radically? I mean, Rogue One is settled right before ANH, so it wasn't even necessary to design new ships. But lol, it has more new ships than sequel trilogy which takes place 30 years after Original Trilogy.
What would have been even more interesting would have been the "Empire" aka the First Order beeing the outnumbered remnants using guerilla tactics and the Rebel Alliance having to defend their vast territory, a sort of reverse roles. Like in the Timothy Zahn novels.
schlawa the problem is that the disney writers of star wars view themselves as social revolutionaries. They can never recognize their own sovereignty and thus the good guys are always revolutionaries which is a distortion of the reality from the OT.
Even better ,where are Kwings ??? Wwings or Mwings (Ywing with 3rd engine ) ? And Ewings interceptors ??? THIS DISNEY TRILOGY SUCKS BALLLLSSSS !!! Oh and NO JEDI LIGHTSABER BATTLES AT ALL !!!!!! 👎🤦🏻♂️👎👎👎👎👎
I think it would have been far more interesting to have the resistance start with this episode 9 fleet, all the familiar ships are there but upgraded like they are, but they're the same ships because the galaxy was at relative peace and the first order hadn't revealed itself yet. *Then* have the first order show up with upgraded tie models, like x-wing vs tie fighter levels of experimental fighters, and then episode 8 be a mad scramble for the resistance/ new republic to reimagine their own ships to stand a chance
Nah, this is a fair complaint and one I share, compounded by the fact that Rogue One and Solo and Canon material and ESPECIALLY Resistance don't have this problem, so it's almost obviously a choice to stick to OT faithfulness. Which, if it weren't for the excellent filmmaking present, would have been a huge sore point for me.
@@CabooseSP No, seriously, it stole all of its major and some of its minor plot points from A New Hope, Star Wars is all about creativity and they failed in even that. Not going to go on about how Rey is a Mary Sue, because in some respects she isn't and in a lot she is, but that point's been made many times by many people. If you like the Sequels that's your opinion but I'll stick to the prequels.
From an effects standpoint they are impressive, but this is Disney. I'm not going to give then cookie for giving shiny lights, I expect better from them.
The lack of new ships in the sequel trilogy just gives me even more appreciation for star wars resistance. The ship design in that show just never ceases to amaze me.
I kind of agree, but that moment of the X-wings coming in at treetop made me stand up and whoop in the cinema when I saw it first - and I wasn't the only one.
@@WwZa7 Well its a yes and no thing.Y-wings or more like tactical bombers used on specific targets or work better on moving targets. They aren't heavily armoured but enough to get to were they need to however that being said its not enough to with stand tie fighter laser cannons. But having a defensive turret does help to. Y wings are good for precision and close ground support roles. Y wings are like fighter bombers aka P47 thunderbolts from WW2. allowing for a versatile plat form. Also the fortress bombers again are good concept and work well against static targets like that orbiting Mandator dreadnought. However they lack sufficient fighter escort and suffered heavy losses due to defending enemy fighters. However I would use these Bombers Planet side to saturate enemy defenses and production infrastructure while having a lot of fighter escorts. Honestly it was pure luck and the incompetence of the Dreadnought crew to defend themselves sufficiently from enemy attack. As all the bombers were destroyed and it was costly risk and even mistake by commander Dameron according to General Leia. So neither design is shit what makes them shit is poor implementation of such assests. Yes Y wings are more vulnerable do to less armour. However they need less fighter escorts freeing up other x wings to go engage the enemy fighters directly on their terms. Well the Y -wing is faster and more agile than the fortress bombers so they can evade enemy fire easier. However not the same level of dog fighting that X wings can do but enough to frustrate any would be tailing bogies and could use that to their advantage. On a return run or Sortie run as the Y -wing pilots can bait the enemy fighters into an X wing ambush. Either destroying the enemy fighter or force them to dogfight themselves or retreat. The best the Fortress Bombers could do is move lazily to the right or left or do a slow U turn not much options. However they can rely on there sturdy armour and numerous defensive laser cannons. Along with a large fighter escort would make for tough targets to bring down with layered defenses from other bombers screening each other to x wings dog fighting enemy fighters. Also more bombs makes it easier for destroying large or armoured and some times both that are stationary will provide effective means of destroying the enemies means to wag war against you. personally I prefer Y-wings for ant- capital ship roles as they can target specific hard points that could cripple an enemy capital ship once disabled or destroyed in combat. Where as Fortress Bombers I would use to saturate the enemies industrial ability. Lol I don't mean to sound like I am lecturing you I am sure you know this stuff. But people hate on star wars ships because they have only seen some implemented in combat incorrectly not allowing for such ships to utilize their strengths properly. Lol and enough of my ranting . But this mainly to others who may not know about these details. So I agree that the Fortress Bomber is a cool and effective ship in its own right. But the Y- wing isn't shit or at least when used as intended lol.
Earlier tonight, with some friends, I described the sequels thus: It's like they left the milk out, deciding they were going to make cheese, then gave up a while later and served cereal with the same milk. I like Cap'n Crunch a lot, but the milk between makes my stomach rebel against breakfast. - I got some laughs, and a couple nods.
Total agreement here. I'm all about the space battles and ship designs. Star wars has a whole Galaxy full of ships and planets that build them. So I'd take a step further and wonder why there isn't more factions. It is said that even though there is the new republic fleet sectors and systems can have there own which is partly why we have the first order. So much potential wasted.
They had to go back to that because they don't own the artwork rights to the original star wars ships...but no one ever said anything about the concepts
@@ShamanMcLamie Kolonol is probably getting some conspiratorial 'insider' information from one of the YouYube channels that pretend they have insider connections telling them all about made up drama and legal intrigue that makes little sense upon closer examination.
@@ShamanMcLamie they do, the same company Lucas Films is making the new films. People keep saying Disney did this or that, but Disney is not the company actually making the films.
I’m more disappointed with where the story has gone, the ships not changing along with the plot from the OT certainly doesn’t help my enjoyment. It just makes the lack of creativity all the more pronounced. Also on what Eck said about the factions. The Resistance shouldn’t exist. The FO should have been presented as a technologically advanced insurgency. The NR didn’t care about them at first because “oh they’re just a small imperial remnant, they don’t matter.” Then the FO starts winning even though they’re heavily outnumbered. This would have served to make the FO much more intimidating, then if something like idk, discovering a massive, hidden, fleet of modified ISDs happened it would be a definite “bad feeling about this” moment because now the numerically inferior force that was already winning just gained a massive numeric boost. The only reason the Resistance exists is because the writers were too afraid of breaking the mold and wanted to just repeat the OT. The sad reality is that this disappointment is what we’re stuck with, and like a disease it will taint the rest of canon forever.
Valaglar Propaganda Company exactly my point. The NR is essentially the rebel alliance, created to destroy the empire. But when they win, they don’t do anything about the same empire becoming stronger and stronger. Like whut. As you put it the only reason why the resistance and the new republics flawed backstory exists is because the writers didn’t want to risk trying anything new. The resistance exists because of bad plot design. It’s sad because I’ve seen so many comments that give ideas and they are so much better than what is being produced. I’d love to see a brand new new republic trooper design that almost resembles modern day armies. Imagine seeing them go head to head with insurgent stormtroopers. Instead of yes let’s destroy basically death star 3. I’m curious to see what happens in episode 9 but idk I’m not expecting much tbh maybe we’ll have star killer base 2
That's what I've been saying their ships are 90% knockoffs of the original trilogy, they had a chance to amaze but instead of creating something new they play it safe, which is dumb if they want young kids, the ot kids are 55+ thier kids are grown up already don't rehash a 40 year old movie
@@saberiandream316 the last Jedi was a broken colorless snore fest, how did Rey get aboard snooks ship and get off lol, huge plot holes lol, a middle movie is supposed to make the evil look unbeatable it sells the last movie, TLJ does nothing except kill off Luke, it doesn't further the story it's gay, idk joke of a movie
@@saberiandream316 if they wanted to make cool movie that'd be awesome, but they didn't, they wanted to trash the other movies like a spoiled brat, if you can only make yourself look relevant by trashing others you are sshit, the sequels are sshit
Personally, I mostly agree with your synopsis, however: I think an integration of imitation and innovation would have worked quite nicely. It would make sense for there to be a preponderance of Galactic Civil War era ships and equipment, especially for the Resistance. Moreover, it would have been fascinating, at least in my opinion, to see what the factions could have done with recombining components of old ships into new designs. I concur in that, one of the things that thrilled me most (and still does) was waiting and watching for new ship designs. An aside is I'm overjoyed to see a return of the Y-wing, my all time favorite ship! Thanks for the succinct breakdown, Eckhart, and may the Force be with you.
@@jamiewalsh3349 I agree and disagree. Would it have been a fine movie on its own? Of course, because it is ANH 2.0. And even then despite the brisker, better pacing it has some issues ANH never had but I digress. I disagree because a lot of what went wrong in TLJ was planted in TFA. Hell, even the choice to end it with that admitedly beautiful shot on Ahch-To kinda forced the following movie to pick up immediately, reducing the sequel trilogy thus far to the most eventful week in recent galactic history. There is no sense of progression in the conflict. Hell, there was no fucking setup in the conflict. What the fuck is the resistance? Why is it different from the New Republic the Alliance worked so hard to create? Why is there "a map to Luke Skywalker" if he didn't want to be found? Why not call it what the damn Visual Dictionary specifies it is, a map to one of the first jedi temples?
@@saberiandream316 we remember. In my mind it doesn't make the clunky dialogue of the prequels any less bad or the romance any less forced. But let it never be said the prequels were unoriginal in their worldbuilding.
In the original series, I took it to mean that the rebels were a ragtag group that flew antiquated ships of yesteryear which were replaced as the Empire modernized its fleet more and more with more capable and more modern tie fighters, dreadnaughts, etc. I did not expect to see the New Republic still flying obsolete Xwings and Moncalamari cruisers! I thought they would've acquired or designed newer and better ships like the Empire did before them.
I think that a lot of the flack people give the sequels comes from the apparent stagnation of the story and the lack of progression. It takes place 30 years after the original trilogy and we have the same kinds of ships we did then and no real change in story, making everything the rebellion fought for seem pointless. The clone wars were 20 years prior and we see massive progression in ship designs and the how galactic power shifted from the republic to the empire, but this is all lacking in the sequels. The rebel ships were supposed to be what they could throw together to fight the galactic superpower. Why are the main characters in the same rut here if they won the Galactic civil war? TLDR: the sequels feel cheap and like they ignore everything the prior movies laid out for the story.
@@akumaking1 Someone has to bring up the dreaded SJWs at least once when talking about Star Wars, and it is annoying because they're basically not real and aren't behind every single thing you don't like. Why is Rey not a great character? Because she is written poorly. Why are the new movies not great? Poor writing and laziness. Why does Holdo have purple hair? I don't know, but hair color does not have a single damn thing to do with politics and does not effect the quality of the film either way.
Seeing as it's Canon (partly) through Star Wars: Commander, is it possible that the Galactic Empire's Project: Blackwing had a secret objective of unlocking immortality (possibly based on one of Plagueis's attempts) and used by Palpatine around the time of the Battle of Endor? Seeing as the original version of the virus in Legends was created by Darth Drear in order to achieve immortality for Sith Lords, something Canon Palpatine was looking for due to believing that the Empire shouldn't out live him. (38th attempt). #AskEck
From a story POV, I can understand a nostalgic "new order" being enthusiastic for retro designs. Had it been better explained on film, Leia's resistance wasn't all that well funded. The Resistance was left with Rebellion era surplus, being a rag tag order there wasn't much other then some left over A and X wings. They don't really talk about any of that, and TLJ even contradicts it with Rose's line about the war profiteers funding both sides. So it especially makes no sense that the Resistance is as ill equipped as it is. This is why I really hope any new movies would be thousands of years in the past or future to force a new era of designs.
Well, for FO can be added that they use assets of Empire carefully hided and prepared by Palpatin and idk that else can be hided in Unknown regions (besides Snoke)
For me the new x wing design was one of the few things I liked about the new movies, but I totally understand the dissatisfaction with the tie fighters. BTW I didn't know about the triangle wing for ties in ep. 9, but I'm pretty sure they ripped off E.C. Henry.
@@lba_e_ross2152 I did say a Pearl Harbor, the US still had its aircraft carriers and parts of its fleet still active. Since Star Wars had a WW2 theme to it, why not have it similar to that of the US in WW2 mixed with fighting a desperate and powerful foe. Without the need for super weapons. A balance between the internal struggles of the New Republic and the old Imperial Remnant and supporters while fighting the extremist elements of the Empire. The main focus of course on Luke being self exiled and also Rey being a soldier/officer who survived the first attack and seeks training about unknowingly using it by accident.
@@lba_e_ross2152 I know that, also the Disney canon is alright. Also originally Ryan Johnson wanted luke to be an absolute cynci and just go mad with the force because he realised that the force would just balance itself out. Which to me sounds fascinating if done right. But i will stick to Warhammer 40k and star wars
@@thatguy3421 Gee. Rian Johsnon taking Luke out of character. Never seen that before. Disney canon is nonsensical trash that cant stand against any quality EU story. They keep rehashing and bashing the EU, giving ill service to what Star Wars was. There is no point to the ST, there is no story worth anything other than what people just keep making up in their heads. They are bringin Palpatine back to life because thay are that creatively bankrupt they have to pull a shallow DARK EMPIRE on us when it makes no sense!!!! If Palpatine can come back why in the bloody blue blazes would have made OPERATION CINDER???? If Snoke can force slam Hux from across the galaxy why didn't he just force choke and kill the entire New Republic without firing a shot? Ther is so much wrong with the Disney canon and Star Wars as a whole now that you're better off with Warhammer. No disappearing knifes happening there.
So I play a game from FFG called X-Wing Miniatures (if you love Star Wars and you love spaceship battles, you're gonna love X-Wing) and whenever a new show or a new film comes out, it's always exciting to see what kinds of new ships we might be getting added to our game. Sadly, you are 100% correct in your assertion that ep 7-9 has added very little in terms of innovation for ship design. In contrast ep 1-3 were filled with creativity in their design space. No one ever complains of hating 1-3 because of the design aspects - we hate (or love to meme) them for other reasons - like sand.
This whole sequel trilogy has felt incredibly lazy, IMO. TFA was A New Hope basically. TLJ was Empire reversed with Return of the Jedi's throne room scene thrown in (but with SUBVERSION!!! ((note subversion isn't bad. ONLY subversion is...))) And anyone else feel really constrained by these movies? Like it's a GALAXY. How are we on a desert planet AGAIN?!?
My general opinion about the newer ships when it comes to the “good guys” is that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The ships work well for them so why change them too much. The first order has no excuse though cuz tie fighters were always bad
When you consider that TIEs were supposed to be analogues of Zero fighters, and produced by one of the more technologically advanced factions, they should probably be depicted as fairly decent in-setting. I'd imagine that the average enemy for a TIE is actually using a much more primitive fighter (which was originally the case for the Zero), and that the Rebellion was often getting it's fighters via regional governments. Among other things, this helps explain the design: the huge wings are radiators, so that it can have speed + firepower. The lack of shields is presumably because they use armor, both for cost reasons, and to provide less competition for heat radiation than shields require.
I think you’ve hit on some of my major complaints/gripes about the ST, which I nonetheless generally enjoyed, especially in regards to the ship designs, which is huge part of what I enjoyed and sparked my imagination in the OT. I was at least happy to see them bring some of my favorite ships like B-Wings back for TROS. I suppose that, story wise, you could chalk it up to the Resistance just not having much in terms of military resources and would have to stick with the basics and more widely available craft but I also agree about the idea of having it be a New Republic vs First Order fight but I think that they announced pretty definitively in TFA that they wanted to re-create the “Rebels vs Empire” dynamic by seemingly blowing up the “New Republic”- even though the idea of destroying a galaxy-wide government by taking out a couple of planets seems like a bit of a stretch when it seems like there would be enough people elsewhere to re-constitute a government but, given how fast galactic events occur in TFA/TLJ/TROS I guess there’s not much time to focus on that and I’m sure they wanted to stay far away from politics after ROTS.
I feel the same. When I was reading the Aftermath I got pretty excited when found out that there's a battleship called Starhawk, much powerful than ISD. Here we are in 2019 and it turns out that it's just a Nebulon B on steroids.
If I had to condense it down to just one point, it would be that the conflict we see in the sequels doesn't look like what I'd expect in the aftermath of the galactic civil war. The new factions we're introduced to feel badly out of place, as if the ongoing story was intruded upon by complete strangers. And I agree with Eck that with the exception of the resurgence class, pretty much all of the craft that we see either look like their designs haven't advanced at all, or even regressed. Whatever universe the sequel trilogy takes place in, it isn't Star Wars.
I think you nailed it with this comment. I'm one of the fans that watched all the movies on cinema, and I did want something different from the new trilogy, not just ships but new conflicts, worlds and technology. I don't know perhaps, more ground combat between the New republic (or whatever you wanna call it) and some factions of the Empire's remnant or other factions etc. Finally we must remember that Lucas himself is disappointed about how his creation is lacking in new content, instead they're slowly replicating the OT, leaving out so much possibilities. This is the main reason that why this is the first Star Wars movie that I will not see on Cinema. It's kinda sad actually. Good work anyway.
Rogue One, set contemporaneous with the original series, offered more cool new ship designs (the U wing being the big one) than the sequel trilogy has offered.
The Y-wing is my all time favorite. Loved it in the OT loved seeing its history in TCW and Rebels. Why are they still flying this beat up old ship unless it's all they can get?
Also where is the world building? Alien races (I'll explain this one in a bit), new unique looking planets and cultures? We get a forest planet with one location (Maz's Castle) with Takodana in Force Awakens. A planet that based on descriptions was rich with culture, the city planet that Starkiller Base destroyed in TFA. Another forest planet in Ajan Kloss with only one location (Resistance Base) in Rise of Skywalker which looks way to similar to Takodana. Luke's hideout with only an island seen in TFA and TLJ, which is fine, it's a hideout meant to be an homage to Yoda and Dagobah. An entire planet shown at night so the vistas aren't visible except for the Casino and it's lights in TLJ A cool looking planet with Crait but only an old Rebel base is seen and some crystal caves. I get why the OT couldn't exactly do a whole lot of other species and unique planets with huge cities. The prequel trilogy really expanded the lore, planets, races and cultures. We got Naboo, Kamino, Geonosis, Mustafar, Coruscant, Utapau, Kashyyyk, the planets seen in order 66. They all looked different and unique from each other. The sequel trilogy barely did anything new except some new aliens that are just in the background and barely given presence unlike the Gungans, Geonosians and Ewoks and in terms of planets they did a few planets that looks the same to each other or to pre-existing planets, Ajan Kloss and Takodana both have a forest biome with no unique features like say a literal white colored ocean, something cool to make them stand out. Jakku and Tatooine, two planets with a desert biome and literally nothing new done with Jakku, which begs the question as to why didn't they just create a new unique looking planet instead? They could've done more new unique looking planets like Crait which was actually pretty cool in design but lacked world building and lore for it and they should've shown more actual world building, hell if they were that inept at doing it, they could've just revisited old planets like Coruscant or Naboo. Those planets would've made sense to show up again bc wouldn't the First Order be a big presence there? Rogue One had some actual world building in it. Jeddah which made me curious when I saw the fallen Jedi statue, Scarif which was a new biome not seen previously and instantly memorable.
It makes no sense at all, no way in hell would the New Republic allow a threat like the New Order come in and take over. The Rebellion overthrew the Empire with full force at the end of the war and why is it the New Republic got reduced to a Small group of resistance when the whole galaxy was against the empire but not the New order.
TFO also built entire fleets and a modernized army, with just a few planets and some remnants of Imperial forces. They also did the impossible of building a galaxy conquering force, in just 20 years or so.
MasterQL5 that was never explained in the movies so I am assuming that was from a novelization. That’s the kind of thing I hate about the new movies it’s that if you want the full story you had to read the novels too. At least the prequels and OT everything was just expanded upon after the movies. But even with the New Republic bureaucracy I’m sure other planets would have formed an alliance much like Confederacy to protect their own interest from the First Order.
On that last note you made, that’s the problem. It should have been like The Old Republic with a WWII scale conflict where the fleets and forces of both side are equally matched.
With 8, I got tje impression what they're going for is an "end all be all" to this trilogy, the big ending. So I guess if it were evenly sided, it's just be like watching an episode of TCW rather than the ending of the saga....Idk, still would prefer to have begun with even sides and work our way toward what we got, ya know....
Minovsky particles from the ReZel's reactor jams radar and renders the massive missile-load of the Legioss largely useless. It's 80mm guns are going to struggle against Gundarium armor, plus the Legioss has no dedicated melee weapons. 81500kg total thrust for the RGZ vs 19,200kg in the AFC. Finally the Fed pilot is trained to fight human opponents in high-performance MS, while the Martian is primed to fight hordes of predictable Inbits. Easy win for the RGZ.
@@Ozraptor4 well we see VF-1 Gua 11 machine cannons shred through rather thick power armor of Zentradi battlesuits that equal Gundarium armor. The Rezel does sacrifice armor for its transformation. The Legios and VF-1 do use heat based missile tracking systems so Mynovsky jamming is minimal at dogfighter range.
@@barrybend7189 I was considering Macross and Mospeda as separate unrelated universes (ie. not Robotech) - contrary to Robotech source material, the Legioss rifle in the original anime is an "80mm" energy gun, not a machinecannon = based on the rather small impact blasts onscreen (Inbit Gomu can shrug off hits at short range), I've always assumed them to be less destructive than a UC-universe beam rifle (which is capable of punching through capital ship armor).
@@Ozraptor4 I was commenting on the missile systems mainly which are similar to Air to Air and Air to Ground missiles. So the RGZ does have to contend with close range missile barrages. The only other thing is late UC ( 0090 to 0160) tend to have rather thin armor that most mobile suit ballistic small arms( like 80mm machine cannons) can pierce the armor.
Controversial opinion but I've always hated the basic TIE design. It looks like somebody tried to make a tennis-ball sandwich and literally only looks good in flight if seen directly from the front or back. They should have made the Interceptor the basis for the first order ties... I believe in the EU it was stated that the Empire planned to eventually retire the standard tie in favor of interceptors anyway so it would have fit.
I've felt the same way. I'm a big LEGO Star Wars fan, and while I don't have anymore room, I still find a way to buy sets and the ones I want most are the ones that aren't remakes and aren't completely gray. The Prequel and Clone Wars sets are amazing, there's so many different colors and so many different types of ships. I have really just about every different vehicle, but when we get to the Sequels, yeah, they may be different colors like the TIE Fighter being inverted and having a stripe, and Poe's X-Wing is black and orange, and that's cool, but they are still just a TIE Fighter and X-Wing. The only things that really made them interesting to me was that I hadn't built a recent version of those ships in a long time, so it was enjoyable, but still, where are the other types of ships? If it weren't for the prices I might have gotten the Resistance Bomber, or the Ski Speeder, but then what do I have go against them? Expensive versions of a Star Destroyer and an AT-AT, which I already have. The AT-M6 is interesting, but it's not enough. Especially with the First Order, a lot of things seem to be, "It's bigger, which makes it better," when to me I think, "Yeah, but it's also not as cool because it's not different enough." I feel like their Star Destroyers are actually a bit underwhelming because the bridge region isn't as bold as the Imperial Star Destroyer or a Republic Ventator. To me, the ships look like they had their heads chopped off. Doug Chiang's direction from George for the prequels was that Star Wars design was not making it look like the stuff that came before with the Original Trilogy, what makes Star Wars look like Star Wars is making something bold. Make it bold enough to stand out, but simple enough to understand. Having said that, I do think the AT-M6 looks cool, but I like the look of the Crawler that had all the legs as kind of an evolution of the AT-ST even more, but it was cut from the movie, so I'm not going to get that set if it's not in the movie. The crawler made sense to me because it's not as unstable as an AT-ST because of all the legs, and it was a new design, something totally new, and then it wasn't in the movie. And then to make matters worse, there is an AT-ST in The Last Jedi, so it's just more of the same. Back to big triangles for a second, I do like the Dreadnought, that's a different enough design for me, and then the Supremecy, that's great looking ship in my opinion. It has a familiarity with it being the big command ship like a Super Star Destoyer, but it's wide instead of long. It still falls a bit into the First Order's "Bigger means better" mentality, but it has a nice strong and bold presence in my opinion. When it comes to TIE Fighters, I mean, I think any change in wing design is enough to warrant calling it a new ship, I'm actually really okay with the new TIE Fighters with those triangular wings, but I do want to see them in action first to see how much it's actually used. I like the design of the TIE Striker from Rogue One, but we hardly ever see it in the movie, and since we had seen regular TIE Fighters in atmosphere in The Force Awakens and in Rebels, it seemed kind of moot that the Striker was designed specifically for atmospheric combat when standard TIEs seem to handle it just fine. Even though we only see Interceptors briefly in Return of the Jedi, I know what they are going for; it's a specialized ship because they have the same wing angles as Darth Vader's TIE Advanced and the TIE Bomber, but the wings are more dagger shaped, which makes me think they're more dangerous, and in universe, they are. It's a great design and I understood it as a kid, so it passes the bold yet simple test. I was eying Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer, it's very sleek and I really like it, but that price is what killed me for the LEGO Set. We don't see it anywhere in the new trailers, so it's disappointing to see it go. I'm guessing he's just stealing some random TIE Interceptor? Now when it comes to the Resistance side of things, we are really just retreading old ground. It's not that I don't love X-Wings, and I got excited when I saw that A-Wing show up in The Last Jedi, but it's just not enough. Where are ships that look different or at least are further extensions of what has come before? When I first saw the Bombers, I actually thought of the B-Wing because they have a tall design with some side wings on them, but they are still vastly different, and it's great to see them, too bad they just aren't very effective. Half the size and you could have a nice heavy starfighter of some kind though, and I would believe it as being some kind of evolution of the B-Wing but not actually being one. Seeing that B-Wings and Y-Wings are going to be in The Rise of Skywalker is disappointing to me. Looking at the LEGO Set for the Y-Wing, it looks even spindlier than the ones used by the Rebellion. I mean, are they still using those same ships all the way from The Clone Wars?! And if they're not, why does it look so spindly? If you absolutely want to use Y-Wings, then make them look like they could actually survive a simple leisurely flight, let alone a dogfight. What's incredible though is that there have been competitions in the LEGO Community that ask to see what the other letters of the alphabet would look like as fighters, and some of the entries are great! Pick a letter than looks good, and make it a starfighter. You can still have it be a handmedown from the New Republic to the Resistance, but just make something new instead of a slightly modified version of something that came before.
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Having the seismic charges muted should be a crime
But it does accurately reflect how they'd sound in space.
Until you realize that using "seismic" things in space makes no sense physically.
@@justinc6257 Bringing real science into Star Wars should be a crime.
@@ShamanMcLamie I mean adding a sense of realism tends to help with immersion. And those things tend to help with the whole "being a good movie" thing which the sequels haven't really done all that well.
@@justinc6257 I was joking obviously because Star Wars clearly doesn't adhere to our rules of physics and science, but I do agree the Star Wars Universe does have it's own rules and laws and those in universe rules need to be respected which the Sequel Trilogy hasn't done.
I do like the First Order's Resurgent class but that's about it. Prequels were FAR FAR better at introducing new ships, IMO the Venator is the nicest looking ship in all of Star Wars.
If I had to choose a ship to command in star wars, I'd take a venator. Doesn't matter if it needs to be overhauled with upgrades. I'd also make sure I had a wing of arc-170s on board because those things were cool.
yes it is very curvaceous
BJ You pronounce Lucrehulk wrong way.
Ngl Venator looks really nice
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Ironically, Rogue One had the best ‘’new’’ starship designs.
The U-Wing looks new, while also looking like it fits with the era.
And the Tie Striker reminded me a lot of the Tie Phantom, which is one of my favorite EU ships, and while they were used very little, they do look cool.
I do wish the sequels had done more with their designs.
Even in phantom menace, with the colorful and perfect ships, it has this, Star Wars feel, one that only George had the ability to feel and notice.
I hope they create new things moving on, and that they really take advantage of the huge mythos in the future.
Edit: I forgot to mention the planets, while the sequels have given us basically the same (snow planets, desert planets, forest planets) Rogue One gave us Jedha, that, while it is a desert, it’s way more rocky, and the city looks interesting and far different from tatooine, as well as Scarif of course, which is my favorite of the newest planets added.
In my opinion, Rogue One is the only new movie that perfectly captured that star wars essense that was present in the first 6 movies. Solo and TFA did it at times, and I did enjoy them but TLJ feels like it shouldn't even exist in all honesty.
@@tinobenfante7315 completely agreed. I went in to R1 with the mindset that it didn't need to be made. We didn't need to know exactly how they got the Death Star plans. I was fully prepared to not like it. But I came out very impressed. It told a good story, had amazing cinematography and decent acting. It fit in well with the OT and didn't try to change too much as far as canon, just added to it. And it had some really cool easter eggs. I realize that it sounds like I'm kinda sucking it off... I actually did have some gripes with it and I don't think it's perfect. The ending was fucking killer though, and the rest was inoffensive compared to the new main series entries. It's my favorite out of the Disney SW films by a large margin.
Why does everyone credit George with everything inc. ship design? He just rubber-stamped things, he doesn't actually design the stuff.
@@S0HJIN For the same reason any director/producer/franchise creator gets casual credit for smaller things in their universes. Because ultimately the buck stops with George. Saying that all he did was "rubber stamp things" is reductive and tries to make it seem as if he had little to do with actually creating assets for the movies he produced and directed. Even if he didn't personally draw the concept art for every single ship , alien or building in Star Wars, he oversaw the people who did and out of the many things that were put in front of him he chose only the ones that fit his vision. Besides, how do you know which ships he put a lot of input into? Obviously there were some that he spent more personal time on, but he could very well have spent time with the artists who made any ship.
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I think in general that the sequels are too focused on being nostalgic for fans of the original trilogy, rather than being original and new. The prequels had a lot of problems but the visuals and aesthetics were very original and creative!
I agree with you. If they want to get old fans back just remake the original movies. With no different stories just Better graphics
@@theemperorofmankind8082 tbh TFA was kinda a ANH remake with other characters
@Alejandro Feo Cecin Parts of it were original, except the young, Force sensitive orphan from the prior movie seeking out a reclusive master to train them, only to leave early to save their friends.
@@Jan_2000 7 borrowed heavily from 4, 8 borrowed a lot from 5 and 9 borrowed from 6. Say what you want about the prequels (they aren't my favorites), but at least they told an original story with a completely different story structure.
The Prequel's problems are frankly minute in comparison to the mess Disney made.
It bothers me that the new factions are so profoundly similar to the old factions but with new names. Why?
Thanks for vid.
Probably for legitimacy and nostalgia. The new republic was trying to be a rebirth of the republic, so used a similar name to convince star systems to join them and bring back the good old days
I think he means more "The Resistance" and "The First Order."
Creative Cowardice.
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@@alexturlais8558 It would have been much better of they called themselves the neo republic
I hated how they went with the "resistance" instead of the New Republic. There are other fleets than the Hosnian Defense Fleet. Lea should have been Grand Admiral of her own fleet.
@@saberiandream316 Federal Republic?
@@DirectorBird @Saberian Dream In legends the Galactic Federation (Which was also called the Federal Republic at times.) came after the New Republic was disbanded, so you're not far off.
Princes Leia Solo-Organa was never a fleet officer. She was a member of the strategy board/command staff of the Rebel Alliance. Her profession, prior to the destruction of Alderaan, was Imperial Diplomat. No where in the OT was it even hinted at that she was trained in ship combat let alone ship command. Therefore, she shouldn't have been given her own fleet.
The only person I could see becoming a Grand Admiral, other than Akbar, would be Han Solo, if he takes the perquisite training in fleet doctrine and tactics. Even that is a bit of a stretch. I see Han Solo remaining a General in Republic Special Operation Forces... like the ones he commanded at Endor.
In Legends Han did command a fleet in the New Republic navy for a while and I was hoping they would do something similar in the new canon but they killed any real chance of that hard and fast.
@@aralornwolf3140 Did we all forget about Lando?
Where are wars in the stars? Seriously, the last epic space battle was in Rogue One. And that was easily the best disney movie partially for that
The fact that it felt real, especially during the beach assault, was awesome. That they used Royal goddamn Marines only made it better.
I didn’t want it, but I’ll be the first to say that I think Solo is the best Star Wars film under Disney. That said, Rogue One hands down has the best space battle.
But the story was not there...continuity seems to be a thing Disney struggles with ..
@@Kolonol1 at least the story was better than in 7 and 8...
@@rodrigobogado8756 Now that's damning it with faint praise...
OT: Giant Empire vs Ragtag Freedom Fighters
PT: Two Grand Armies slugging it out
ST: I would’ve loved to see a role reversal btwn a restored Republic Fleet vs a Guerrilla Imperial Remnant (maybe with mini-superlasers on hit-&-run star destroyers?) !
Yeah, a guerilla Imperial Remnant was basically everything that the EU did, wasn't it? The villains in hiding, like cockroaches, trying to rebuild the Empire, with the New Republic and New Jedi Order left to mop them up for the next few generations. Presumably... that's precisely the problem; the Empire becomes a terrorist organisation, and Disney isn't exactly comfortable with something like that, in light of everything in the real world. So, with no choice about skipping the time since ROTJ... they don't know how to pick up the story from there with anything other than the Big Bad succeeding in re-building the Empire. And then what happens? They lose to the good guys again. It's Disney, there isn't any other ending they'd go with but a "happily ever after"... because they don't know how to tell the "after" part.
@@ian8477 well first there were major warlords who fought each other as much as the republic and yoy had massive fleet battles.
That’d actually be subversive and you can’t have that with rian Johnson
Alot like Star Wars: The Old Republic. The Empire could return and attack the New Republic.
Wasn't Thrawn's Imperial Faction in the EU a kind of Guerrilla Imperial Remnant?
Let me put this into perspective:
In the prequels, Jango Fett uses a bomb ,when fighting Obi Wan, that looks like it could take out an asteroid (Seen in this video)
In the sequels, over 100 years later, we have “magnetic bombs” that are carried by slow moving bombers
Where is the technological advance?
bro 100 years is really of. 40-50 years at best. 20 years between rots and anh, 20 between rotj and tfa
@@adude8216 But what happened to the bombs that Jango Fett why not use those instead it would even for movies be more appealing.
@@kraigisboss The bombs in the prequel that fett had were supposed to show the power of the mandalorians, a better comparison is the shielding between trilogies. The shields on the dreadnought were extremely powerful and the bombs were supposed to be planetary, so while the movie and creativity is terrible, the technology is clearly more advanced.
Slave One was a powerful privately owned ship. The Empire on the other hand needed a giant military and so they had cheap dime-a-dozen ships.
There are technological advancements in the eu and in the ot and prequels then the sequels came about and they just redid everything we’ve already seen.
We saw the new ships. Tie Silencer that is op and Rssistance bombers that break like paper airplanes when you look at them.
One other thing I really dont like about the sequel trilogy is the fact that we get little to no big space battles and no capital ship combat. It feels like the galaxy in the new films has just completley run out of ships.
Agreed. That drove me nuts in TLJ. I was like "really? This is the entirety of the First Order fleet, and the entirety of the Resistance fleet? In the whole damn galaxy?"
There was no decent ground battles in the last jedi... And I feel an epic lightsaber duel was stolen from us.
Surely they really should have by now!
@Joshua Greger I know, one of the best light saber battles was the one with Obi Wan and qui gon vs maul.
Anakin vs Obi Wan was good... I wish anakin's lightsaber went red.
Though I reckon one of the best space battles was in rogue one.
Or at least on par with return of the jedi.
@@miketovey7815 one of many reasons Rogue one is my favorite of the "Disney star wars films".
One of my favorite parts about Star Wars is the Space Opera aspect. And while the sequels have had some space battles like the attack on Starkiller base or the Mandator. There has been nothing quite to the scale of the Battle of Scarif or the Battle of Endor. I just want more space battles in my space fantasy.
they should have gone all out. scale the shit up a stage or two and go for the LOTGH scale. also they should have taken alot of plot ideas from that anime.
@@nox5555 : _That_ problem was essentially that TLJ had an anthology film script, but got made as a main-line film.
What I really wanted was a fleet of New Republic Capital ships that are on par with the Old Republic fleets and have them do Battle with the First Order Star Destroyers.
Rainbowhawk1993 right? Clone wars style warfare with new republic ships vs First Order. The wasted potential is so infuriating.
@@neofulcrum5013 They could have made a TV series like the original clone wars as well then.
I agree but there was the star hawk which we haven’t seen in movie
I feel like they should have held off on shooting Starkiller. Have both the First Order and Resistance show up at Takodana at the same time. Have the Resistance fight valiantly, but losing. Then the Republic Fleet shows up and beats the First Order back. This justifies the First Order using Starkiller and when Starkiller Destroys Hosnian Prime and the Republic Fleet it really lays home the gravity of what was done. The audience actually had a connection with and understand the importance of what was destroyed instead of it just being a bunch of random planets that get blown up.
@@ShamanMcLamie or they could've just not rehashed the original at all and never made Starkiller a thing in the first place.
It's something I was commenting on right after seeing TFA:
Clone Wars era: The Y-Wing is the hottest new light bomber available to the Republic Navy.
Original Series Era: Twenty years later, the Y-Wing is the only Clone Wars fighter still seeing widespread frontline service, and that because the Rebel Alliance doesn't have anything better in sufficient numbers to replace it. Tends to rely on newer X-Wings and A-Wings to protect it against increasingly more capable TIEs.
Sequel Era: Thirty years later, we have a more streamlined X-Wing! And the First Order has gone back to the hexagonal-winged TIEs despite that configuration being in the process of being replaced by TIE Interceptors and other dagger-winged designs at the time of RotJ!
'Twas a bit of a disappointment, to say the least. I'm not all that fond of the E-Wing personally (to me, visually it looks like a more primitive fighter than the X- and A- and feels like it's just "better" due to writer fiat: it'd probably look at home among the Clone Wars designs, not as something that's a generation beyond the X-wing and legends A-wing) but at least the Expanded Universe contributor who came up with it tried...
Don’t forget they’re bringing back y wings for rise of skywalker for some reason
@@KABZProductions where were they during eight lol.
Also the Clone Wars Y-Wing and the Rebel Y-Wing are visually distinctive from one another.
You forgot that the TIE fighters now have white solar panels. Someone in the empire must have outwitted physics or it is sabotage.
I love the contrast between the shiny CW era Y-wing, with its slick fairings, vs the stripped-down, easy maintenance Rebel version
It's just so frustrating to see the artists introduce fantastic concept art that carries the franchise forwards and the suits just block all those proposals. Then reviewers say said franchise were creatively bankrupt or the parent company.
*Never forget: the suits are creatively bankrupt, not the artists!*
Absolutely! The artists in every trilogy have been incredible. It's the people writing and green-lighting things that need to lift their game. And people keep on crediting the director for all the designs past and present.
Who actually said that the artists were creatively bankrupt?
The way I see it, the _project_ (the finished movie) is called creatively bankrupt, and you can't honestly deny that that's true, even if there's plenty of genuinely talented people working on the movie that want to make it creative, imaginative, and, you know, _good._
J.J. Rehash and Rian Johnson are absolutely creatively bankrupt.
@@georgecostanza712
J. J. Abrams is creatively bankrupt.
Ruin Johnson is actively at war with the concept of creativity, trying really hard to completely wipe it off the face of the universe.
@@ParaSpite Knives Out & Glass Onion come out: You were saying?
So, I guess you could say the new Y-Wing is really a Why-Wing!
I'll leave now...
oof xD
Ba dum tsss
Ec Henry did a MK II y-wing.
No no stay your right
I hate the general lack of creativity and original ideas in the sequel trilogy.
And the fact that they did it on purpose because of "fans'" backlash (hate) for the prequels
Some fucking boomers came and said "this is not my star wars, my star wars were only the 3 movies I watched when I was still able to take in new ideas! Expanded universe what? Divercity in storytelling what? I peed my pants!"
Smh
@Palpatine McSenateFace seriously and even those movies had some shit wrong with them only reson i can think of why the were re-released a few times over
@@benmoreno5882 those movies were rereleased cause they were a cash grab that ppl wanted to pay for.
What about crait or how Luke acted on his temptation by the dark side, or that the leader of the antagonist faction is a wild card and is hated by the people he leads
In general legends made both the empire and especially the galaxy and the new republic just amazing and big and powerfull.
The sequels feel like a sandbox fight..shit length and depth and just fells underwhelming. First order is just a bunch of fuck ups with incompetence and the republic is still a splinter faction for some fucking reason and still dominated by plot armor.
In legends the new republic had countless backup fleets and became a true force after endor and the empire still kicked and took names and weren't complete losers
Dis-canon writers never really seem to grasp how big a planet, let alone a galaxy is so everything just feels smal and contained. Star Wars has always had a problem with scale but it's exceptional bad now.
That is true and like its is all so close together and we all know the first order will lose right.
@@user-Jay178 indeed. In legends , the rebels did win a lot but there was also a lot of times when the empire won, kicked ass and took names and showed it's an empire. The thrawn arc, dark empire and other arcs rly show the empire as competent and real powerfull. Not to mention the imperial remnant and the paleon faction wich is far superior.
With the first order, no matter how much they have at their disposal either they will die from immense plot armor or die by their own incompetence and sheer stupidity. I hate it
@@paulomr445 indeed. At least before especially in legends , the war against the vong , or the dark empire felt big and in depth with both political and military backgrounds.
In cannon, is just the same ol shit but worse
Basically everything about the sequels just screams "lazy writing and designing."
No true thought put into the story, no true effort put into ship design, and no expansions to the lore.
Add no proper planning or thinking things through to provide cohesion!
It's all about trying to ride off nostalgia.🤷♂️
Part of that's the fault of Disney rushing into the trilogy without a roadmap, part of that's because JJ Abrams has the creativity of a doorknob.
@@BP-dn9nv He's the same guy who ruined the USS Enterprise, of course the designs aren't gonna be good.
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One of the more interesting things about the prequals was actually being in the populated, centers of civilization. Up until that point the original trilogy only had us on the fringes. We saw Tatooine and Yavin, Hoth, Dagoba and Cloud city, then Tatooine again and another wilderness. It wasn't until Naboo and certain city planets that we actually the places where things happened. What the rebellion was fighting to free in the first place. What does the sequels have? Canto Bites? (yes, that place bites)
Those planets that got blown up in TFA looked fairly populated. But we only saw those for a few seconds
Tony Stark had a new Iron Man suit in nearly every appearance in the MCU. In earth terms, fighter jets get revamped to keep them in fighting shape but inevitably get replaced at some point. Ywings were old in the original trilogy, but would be ancient at this point in the sequel trilogy. And the Xwing is old enough that replacements should be if not in the testing phase, be in the planning stage.
Leopard 2 tanks are first build 1979... M1A2 Abrahams Tanks are from 1980... B-52 are from 1950.. M16 are from 1967.. F-18 are from 1978... and I could tell you houndrets more ... so even on eart 30 years is nothing... and now think about a Sci Fi universe where you can upgrade much more.. there will be new ships, yes.. but not a total change every 30 years.
Also look at States like Irak.. or Iran.. or Afrika.. there the military often uses technology from the 50. and 60. years. And it is still enough. (as long as you don´t fight the US or some other superpower)
@@BlackXIV There was no big war since the 1950s though. In the first and second ww tech advanced massively and if my goal is to attack someone I surely would come up with a new design instead of the same old garbage TIE fighters.
@@Stego1819 1. That are new TIE fighters... faster.. better weapons.. and they have schilds and hyperdrive.. and 2. They won with them against the new repuplic!
@@BlackXIV I mean a different design. If u are able to put better weapons on something u need to make it bigger or sth. To make it faster you need to change the design. They never beat the New Republic in direct combat before episode 7 either.
@@BlackXIV how can they defeat the New Republic if it basicaly don't exist in the secuel trilogy?
Honestly one of the best things to come out of this trilogy are the Resurgent-class and Supremacy. I love those ships. But yeah starfighters are lacking :P
Luxy Supremacy should probably copy the Infinity and deploy some frigates.
Or New Republic ships, like Starhawks or Mon Calamari ships
Thanks a lot! Wish I could fight other ships.
@@irgendsoeintyp6137 I would love too see new Mon Cal ships
@@bargainbin6162 it does has the docks for the Resurgents on the back so I guess technically it can do something similar
I miss politics in Star Wars even the OT had politics i dont understand why Disney thinks politics are boring that was one of the best part of the Prequels
It made the movies feel a little more realistic
The prequels had a really good idea for a movie - even though the execution wasn't great but they had character. A gigantic trade cooperation trying to succeed from an equally gigantic galactical republic in a clash instigated by the sith to regain control over the galaxy - all before the backdrop of two of the most beloved characters of the OT, Anakian Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi - thats what made the third so great and even the first one had its moments ( though its definitely the weakest out of the prequels ). And then the sequels basically scratch all of these ideas for what, a bit of drama that really just tried to force a message in the weirdest possible way? So much wasted potential. Hopefully, 9 ends up flashing us all.
I feel sequels seem to tell you a political message rather than let you watch the politics unfold. That is honestly a shame
Have you not seen all the critique videos online that say the politics was one of the most boring aspects of the Prequels?
I actually enjoy the political aspect of SW almost as much as the military aspect. Makes it feel more realistic and relatable. Like in TCW when the Republic and Separatists were about to negotiate an end to the war but a terrorist attack draws them back at it again. I found it sort of relatable to our own history; people staging attacks to spur the violence they seek
Having the first order take a pointy, triangular style would have been cool. Having the TIE Dagger as the stock fighter would have helped to distinguish the First Order
The Star wars sequels in a nutshell: Nostalgia to sell tickets, and destroying Nostalgia to set narratives
This strategy is what is killing toy sales in my opinion. What cool new ship, alien, character, or Droid design are kids going to want from this trilogy. I can think of a dozen background characters from the Prequels that a kid would take over any of the Sequels main characters.
Exactly!
@@ShamanMcLamie It isn't though. They're sell toys hand over fist.
Maybe it's time to find or make a new sci-fi saga ...
gheddi there’s actually a place in the SW saga timeline where Disney could work and no one would complain that much. But it would have to be darker than the eclipse episode of berserk.
Y'know, I feel the same way about the aliens in the sequel trilogy. Its time cool looking characters stop being allocated to background props and be actually protagonists. For example, Benthic Two-Tubes is compelling within the comics because he was given a chance to chew the scenes, so to speak.
You see the floating gas butt alien on Canto Bite? All of the aliens in the ST are lame
Deatle's Teakettles i agree
Disney is more interested in having women and POC in those prominent positions. They could give a fuck about having a Twi'lek as a main character of a movie.
I want to see new aliens but also more of the classic races. Where are the Kel Dor, Umbarans, Trandoshans, Rodians, Twileks, Iridorians, Echanti, Noghri, Hutts, Mon Calamari, Bothans, Gran, Duros, and Weequay in the Sequel trilogy.
@@aliceinthewired but twi'lek can be woman, and they're definitely people of color haha, green, red
I would love to see E-wings and K-wings on the screen. And for the first order something like the Defender or the Howlrunner
and Star Wings/gun boats, Missile boats, A-9 Interceptor, TIE/D droids, TIE Phantoms, etc. etc. so many missed opportunities
You could still have Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron with their old X-Wings appear on the battlefield for nostalgic value.
k wings shouldnt exist lol having a quad turbolaser on a starfighter the same size as a lambda
I think the E-Wing was re-canonized, but I don't know if it's meant to be the same as the legends (ie real) version.
@James Famber there are multiple gunboats so name which one
or ffs give them TIE Hunters, yeah its an X-wing knock off but it would show that Sienar Jaemus, is *learning* from the past and learning from their competitors, using their TIE design with some of the best parts of their rivals over at Incom/Frytek and what made the X-wing superior to their own designs for so long.
IMO, they should have taken advantage of the Resistance status of being outside of the New Republic and had them flying some of the 'Scum' associated ships like Cloakshapes and Z-95s etc instead of just new versions of Rebel Alliance ships. Maybe bring those out in the second or third movie when the FO and NR come to proper blows.
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When the seismic charges are muted so you make the sounds yourself...
*inhale* bwaaannngggg
ItsMartinez141 *scared space Jesus noises*
Yeah I really wanted some actual alien environments in the movies like felucia.
Welp the lack of creativity killed my excitement for SW
Crait and canto bight are pretty unique
Jack Theflash Crait was cool and unique I’ll admit but Canto Bight didn’t even look like it belonged in SW.
Great Beans28 yes it did
They wrote themselves into a corner by making the setting deliberately lacking a drive to progress. The New Republic is a laid back passive society when it comes to the military so they would sensibly just update what they began with instead of particularly going for a new exciting design, whereas the First Order is a remnant of the Empire that longs for their glory days so even they would lean on the Nostalgia factor to give themselves some "legitimacy". They are not factions written to be innovative.
A missed opportunity is the Resistance using New Republic hand me downs, where they could have been more creative and used designs from fleets of member worlds like say, Mandalore or Corellia. One could imagine that in the lore, with the members of the New Republic having to fend for themselves given that the galactic government is saying they should just defend themselves, ship designs would vary wildly because all the separate cultures and races would make ships that fit their needs.
Honestly though, even a relatively passive New Republic should be getting new ship (or at least starfighter) designs. One of the biggest changes strategically from our world to the Star Wars galaxy is the way unit costs work. In our world, developing a new fighter is a hugely expensive endeavor, made worse by the fact that there could very well be less than a thousand (or less than 100, or even less than that) ever built. However, when you scale things to a galactic government, a few things change.
First is the sheer scale of things. Let's be conservative and assume that there are only 1000 planets of note. Each of these 1000 planets has, say, twice the resources of a current Earth superpower. That's 2000x the resources available, or in other words, the relative cost to the society to develop a new starfighter is 2000x less. It's still a lot for the company designing it, yes, but it's not like a new starfighter is going to balloon the NR's military budget.
Second, having a full galaxy means that as long as your starfighter is good, it's going to get purchased enough to make the design worthwhile-you can probably count on selling between 2,000 to 10,000 (if the government buys it, maybe even up to a million or more). An advanced design is generally going to be worth the initial investment of developing it, and reliably building more than 2,000 starfighters of a design means unit costs for the program will be far lower than the current average on our world.
Also note the "if the government buys it." Unlike our world, Star Wars companies aren't necessarily dependent on government contracts for things smaller than capital ships. Private owners buy starships all the time, and most planetary governments want some kind of local defense fleet independent of the galactic government, ESPECIALLY when the galactic government doesn't seem to be putting much priority on defense. 50 planets buying 100 of your starfighter each puts you at 5,000 sold, and again, that's probably a conservative estimate.
Sorry to toss a novel out here, I just got thinking.
"I care." - Luke Skywalker
I agree, the background plot of the sequel trilogy should have been about a roughly equal-strength New Republic vs. First Order all-out war like you stated.
First Order should be weaker but with Thrawn still in charge
The resistance could be made to perform sabotage on the first order before the official war
I heartily agree, I wasn't too happy with the plot line being the exact same as OT but the rebellion has blue blasters and wedge is now poe vs the empire but the death star is just illum. And let's be honest, crait is just hoth but red underneath and the literally evacuated because of atats but actually not. But this could have all been over looked if I could still get the same sense of wonder as in the other six, but no. Even the Jedi is an orphan on a desert planet looking at the stars wondering who their parent are, but surprise surprise he is the sith lord
I don’t care much about that kind of thing. What really bothers me is that my interpretation of the saga Lucas created was trampled for a far less interesting narrative. It’s all just retread. I don’t even hate these movies, but they’re honestly really dull in a lot of ways. Some good characters at least.
Blaine Hoover the boring uninspired sequel ship designs are a direct consequence of that.
@@ericp1139 The First Order are just the remains of the Empire who fled into the Unknown Regions, and the Resistance was formed by Leia, because she was frustrated that the New Republic wasn't acting fast enough with the First Order.
@@Dark_Fusion19 That would have been better movies than what we got.
@@shorewall The thing that bothers me the most, is you have to read the novels to get that information. Since not everyone reads the current EU, people are at a disadvantage, since they don't know the why or how to things, and so don't care when things happen in the movies.
Dark Fusion19 but why wouldn’t the new republic not act fast enough with the first order. The new republic was literally the rebel alliance made to destroy the empire. And when basically a new empire comes along they don’t do anything. It’s like occupation forces in Germany after ww2 not doing anything about thousands of pro nazis arming themselves to overthrow the government.
Meanwhile in Star Trek: You get a new ship! You get a new ship! YOU ALL GET NEW SHIPS!
And they all look like flying dinner plates with bottles stuck on the back xD
Pity the Klingon designs are so awful in DSC.... basically the opposite problem :)
the dinner plate thing was because Roddenberry wanted to create spaceships that weren’t all tubes at the time, and give Star Trek a obvious unique aspect.
Is this a Oversimplified reference?
@@kaiserschmarx122 It's an Oprea reference.
Nailed it on the head. This trilogy feels less like star wars and more like a star wars cover band.
Haha oh man, it hurts how true this is
Its like a parody of itself
@@MichaelM28 yea atleast the prequels are watchable, unlike your garbage.
I dont think any of the prequels lost money. Unlike solo.
Michael McGrath Except the OC never talked about the prequels, you’re objectively wrong considering that the prequels were made by the creator of SW, so he should know better what feels and what doesn’t feel SW, and even if it had been done by someone else, the prequels are far more respectful of what SW is and is about, than the sequels.
GreatYeetForward69 Nor even that terrible of a script.
I mean, sure, there are cringy moments, but most of it is just fine.
Not that it couldn’t have been better, but still.
*Talks about how the new trilogy doesnt have new ships
TROS: literally just has hundreds of ISDs but bigger
When mommy says you’ll be such a good movie director
Bitch literally tros created over 50 new ship designs for the battle of Exegol. I love how you haters cherry pick things for your agenda
@@frankkennedy7618 So? You guys wanted new ship designs and here you have it and it makes the fleet have depth.
@@deadshot5007 bro that fleet was copy and paste, it was a civilian fleet. You’d expect a more militaristic looking fleet maybe with better mon cala ships, nebula Star destroyers, b frigates etc
@@luketriscari8046 It literally wasn't copy paste
The moment the 1st trailer for Force Awakens was revealed, and I saw the X-wing and Tie Fighter, I knew that something was wrong and it was true... all of it
George Lucas: "There's nothing new here"
He said that?
@@ankelaostheweird905 yep
@@RandyAndyShow Wow. Well it's very true.
Also George: It's supposed to rhyme, I didn't say plagiarize all my damn work!
@Holden McGroin I don't know, he kind of made all the movies that built the franchise.
"Tactically the Resistance bombers are pretty questionable...."
Questionable is fancy word for terrible/useless/nonsensical/etc. I'd like to see more creativity, but one that goes hand in hand with logic and in-universe usefulness.
Aren't they supposed to be bunker busters? With all of their bombs...
Or was it the Ninka ship?
The resistance bombers reminded me the Zeppelin bomber. :D You know, on small spark and the whole thing goes in flame.
@@Halo_Legend They're both ships intended for planetary assaults, and were essentially all the Resistance had access to.
@@FlipDarkFuture What happened to Y-wings?
@@FlipDarkFuture It still doesn't exucuse their terrible design. A CR90 modified to hold the payload of 2 of these bombers would be still faster and more resilient than these abominations.
Rogue One got this right with U-Wing, MC-75, new TIEs and perhaps Hammerhead!
The mc75 is giving me borderline knockoff vibes when compared to the dauntless heavy cruiser.
And the design of the hammerhead dates back all the way to KOTOR
Dude, the hammerhead is from KOTOR
Chops Aguilar ikkkkkk lmao
Yes, dudes, Hammerhead is from KotOR. This particular model is from Rebels, to be exact. But are there many people who know that? Have we seen Hammerhead in any film?
In any case, does any of that change my statement radically? I mean, Rogue One is settled right before ANH, so it wasn't even necessary to design new ships. But lol, it has more new ships than sequel trilogy which takes place 30 years after Original Trilogy.
@@abohachuk4765 Haha, take it easy, kiddo; they're just movies.
new star wars movies: **exist**
EckartsLadder: new ships!
new star wars movies: i'm about to end this man's whole career
I wish the First Order has the TIE Defender
What would have been even more interesting would have been the "Empire" aka the First Order beeing the outnumbered remnants using guerilla tactics and the Rebel Alliance having to defend their vast territory, a sort of reverse roles. Like in the Timothy Zahn novels.
schlawa this is what I’ve been thinking too. It would be like space Vietnam
schlawa the problem is that the disney writers of star wars view themselves as social revolutionaries. They can never recognize their own sovereignty and thus the good guys are always revolutionaries which is a distortion of the reality from the OT.
@@colonial210 Yep. Pretty clear that first and foremost they focused on the political messaging, the actual story was secondary.
Bro I was about to make a video about this, I couldn’t agree more, when I saw episode 7 and 8. All I could think, where are the b-wings!?
Bwings make everything better
Even better ,where are Kwings ??? Wwings or Mwings (Ywing with 3rd engine ) ? And Ewings interceptors ??? THIS DISNEY TRILOGY SUCKS BALLLLSSSS !!! Oh and NO JEDI LIGHTSABER BATTLES AT ALL !!!!!! 👎🤦🏻♂️👎👎👎👎👎
And Y- wings
Never forget the Y- wings
The Guy 24 well they will be in episode 9
everything you said is 100% how I feel. glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Most star wars fans agree with you
I think it would have been far more interesting to have the resistance start with this episode 9 fleet, all the familiar ships are there but upgraded like they are, but they're the same ships because the galaxy was at relative peace and the first order hadn't revealed itself yet.
*Then* have the first order show up with upgraded tie models, like x-wing vs tie fighter levels of experimental fighters, and then episode 8 be a mad scramble for the resistance/ new republic to reimagine their own ships to stand a chance
New is hard when your banking on nostalgia.
Was there any audio for the seismic charges or did my brain add that in?
Obi-Wan: I sense it too!
You're brain knows the universal truth. The truth of the seismic charge
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Jangos seismic charges from slave I did in AotC
Nah, this is a fair complaint and one I share, compounded by the fact that Rogue One and Solo and Canon material and ESPECIALLY Resistance don't have this problem, so it's almost obviously a choice to stick to OT faithfulness. Which, if it weren't for the excellent filmmaking present, would have been a huge sore point for me.
Shame the sequels don't have excellent filmmaking.
@@diddlypoop 🙄
@@CabooseSP No, seriously, it stole all of its major and some of its minor plot points from A New Hope, Star Wars is all about creativity and they failed in even that.
Not going to go on about how Rey is a Mary Sue, because in some respects she isn't and in a lot she is, but that point's been made many times by many people.
If you like the Sequels that's your opinion but I'll stick to the prequels.
From an effects standpoint they are impressive, but this is Disney. I'm not going to give then cookie for giving shiny lights, I expect better from them.
@@diddlypoop I don't understand how you took my reply as an invitation to elaborate on Yet Another Sequels Hot Take???
The lack of new ships in the sequel trilogy just gives me even more appreciation for star wars resistance. The ship design in that show just never ceases to amaze me.
I kind of agree, but that moment of the X-wings coming in at treetop made me stand up and whoop in the cinema when I saw it first - and I wasn't the only one.
Empty fanservice. 🤷♂️
@@minicle426 Yes.
I thought they were kidding when they rolled out a Y-wing, ANOTHER TIE/ln fighter and then a TIE/LN interceptor for TROS.
Disney seems to be allergic to space ships >:[
They gave you bombers that can obliterate entire dreadnought, and people say that shitty Y-wings were better.
Here is your answer.
@@WwZa7 bruh
@@WwZa7 Well its a yes and no thing.Y-wings or more like tactical bombers used on specific targets or work better on moving targets. They aren't heavily armoured but enough to get to were they need to however that being said its not enough to with stand tie fighter laser cannons. But having a defensive turret does help to. Y wings are good for precision and close ground support roles. Y wings are like fighter bombers aka P47 thunderbolts from WW2. allowing for a versatile plat form. Also the fortress bombers again are good concept and work well against static targets like that orbiting Mandator dreadnought.
However they lack sufficient fighter escort and suffered heavy losses due to defending enemy fighters. However I would use these Bombers Planet side to saturate enemy defenses and production infrastructure while having a lot of fighter escorts. Honestly it was pure luck and the incompetence of the Dreadnought crew to defend themselves sufficiently from enemy attack. As all the bombers were destroyed and it was costly risk and even mistake by commander Dameron according to General Leia.
So neither design is shit what makes them shit is poor implementation of such assests. Yes Y wings are more vulnerable do to less armour.
However they need less fighter escorts freeing up other x wings to go engage the enemy fighters directly on their terms.
Well the Y -wing is faster and more agile than the fortress bombers so they can evade enemy fire easier. However not the same level of dog fighting that X wings can do but enough to frustrate any would be tailing bogies and could use that to their advantage. On a return run or Sortie run as the Y -wing pilots can bait the enemy fighters into an X wing ambush. Either destroying the enemy fighter or force them to dogfight themselves or retreat.
The best the Fortress Bombers could do is move lazily to the right or left or do a slow U turn not much options. However they can rely on there sturdy armour and numerous defensive laser cannons. Along with a large fighter escort would make for tough targets to bring down with layered defenses from other bombers screening each other to x wings dog fighting enemy fighters.
Also more bombs makes it easier for destroying large or armoured and some times both that are stationary will provide effective means of destroying the enemies means to wag war against you.
personally I prefer Y-wings for ant- capital ship roles as they can target specific hard points that could cripple an enemy capital ship once disabled or destroyed in combat.
Where as Fortress Bombers I would use to saturate the enemies industrial ability.
Lol I don't mean to sound like I am lecturing you I am sure you know this stuff. But people hate on star wars ships because they have only seen some implemented in combat incorrectly not allowing for such ships to utilize their strengths properly. Lol and enough of my ranting . But this mainly to others who may not know about these details. So I agree that the Fortress Bomber is a cool and effective ship in its own right. But the Y- wing isn't shit or at least when used as intended lol.
Furebel the fuck did you say about y-wings bitch?
Earlier tonight, with some friends, I described the sequels thus: It's like they left the milk out, deciding they were going to make cheese, then gave up a while later and served cereal with the same milk. I like Cap'n Crunch a lot, but the milk between makes my stomach rebel against breakfast. - I got some laughs, and a couple nods.
I would want atleast a CIS remnant referance and I will be fine.
I just want to actually see the New Republic's military forces (at the very least of them) in at least 1 sequel movie....
@@Ampwich We all mate, we all... at least we have comics, it something
Before 10:40: WHERE ARE THE B WINGS
After: OH THANK GOD
Total agreement here. I'm all about the space battles and ship designs. Star wars has a whole Galaxy full of ships and planets that build them. So I'd take a step further and wonder why there isn't more factions. It is said that even though there is the new republic fleet sectors and systems can have there own which is partly why we have the first order. So much potential wasted.
They basically just reused concept art from the original trilogy.
They had to go back to that because they don't own the artwork rights to the original star wars ships...but no one ever said anything about the concepts
@@Kolonol1 That doesn't sound right. They bought the IP from George Lucas. They should own everything.
@@ShamanMcLamie Kolonol is probably getting some conspiratorial 'insider' information from one of the YouYube channels that pretend they have insider connections telling them all about made up drama and legal intrigue that makes little sense upon closer examination.
I mean the sequel xwing is a carbon copy of the prototype xwing
@@ShamanMcLamie they do, the same company Lucas Films is making the new films. People keep saying Disney did this or that, but Disney is not the company actually making the films.
I’m more disappointed with where the story has gone, the ships not changing along with the plot from the OT certainly doesn’t help my enjoyment. It just makes the lack of creativity all the more pronounced.
Also on what Eck said about the factions. The Resistance shouldn’t exist. The FO should have been presented as a technologically advanced insurgency. The NR didn’t care about them at first because “oh they’re just a small imperial remnant, they don’t matter.” Then the FO starts winning even though they’re heavily outnumbered. This would have served to make the FO much more intimidating, then if something like idk, discovering a massive, hidden, fleet of modified ISDs happened it would be a definite “bad feeling about this” moment because now the numerically inferior force that was already winning just gained a massive numeric boost. The only reason the Resistance exists is because the writers were too afraid of breaking the mold and wanted to just repeat the OT. The sad reality is that this disappointment is what we’re stuck with, and like a disease it will taint the rest of canon forever.
Valaglar Propaganda Company exactly my point. The NR is essentially the rebel alliance, created to destroy the empire. But when they win, they don’t do anything about the same empire becoming stronger and stronger. Like whut. As you put it the only reason why the resistance and the new republics flawed backstory exists is because the writers didn’t want to risk trying anything new. The resistance exists because of bad plot design.
It’s sad because I’ve seen so many comments that give ideas and they are so much better than what is being produced.
I’d love to see a brand new new republic trooper design that almost resembles modern day armies. Imagine seeing them go head to head with insurgent stormtroopers. Instead of yes let’s destroy basically death star 3. I’m curious to see what happens in episode 9 but idk I’m not expecting much tbh maybe we’ll have star killer base 2
That's what I've been saying their ships are 90% knockoffs of the original trilogy, they had a chance to amaze but instead of creating something new they play it safe, which is dumb if they want young kids, the ot kids are 55+ thier kids are grown up already don't rehash a 40 year old movie
@@saberiandream316 the last Jedi was a broken colorless snore fest, how did Rey get aboard snooks ship and get off lol, huge plot holes lol, a middle movie is supposed to make the evil look unbeatable it sells the last movie, TLJ does nothing except kill off Luke, it doesn't further the story it's gay, idk joke of a movie
@@saberiandream316 if they wanted to make cool movie that'd be awesome, but they didn't, they wanted to trash the other movies like a spoiled brat, if you can only make yourself look relevant by trashing others you are sshit, the sequels are sshit
5:55
Disney: Sell more toys you say? Well, from now on we're gonna get as creative as possible with our spaceships.
Yeah, right...
@@obitwokenobi9808 I feel like that's the only way to get them to do that.
The IT guy probably
If I made star wars I would have a main character drive something like a U wing or something like that
The ST has made me appreciate the PT more, so take from that what you will.
Personally, I mostly agree with your synopsis, however: I think an integration of imitation and innovation would have worked quite nicely. It would make sense for there to be a preponderance of Galactic Civil War era ships and equipment, especially for the Resistance. Moreover, it would have been fascinating, at least in my opinion, to see what the factions could have done with recombining components of old ships into new designs. I concur in that, one of the things that thrilled me most (and still does) was waiting and watching for new ship designs. An aside is I'm overjoyed to see a return of the Y-wing, my all time favorite ship! Thanks for the succinct breakdown, Eckhart, and may the Force be with you.
See what George Lucas said about TFA. "There's nothing new"
It was A New Hope 2.0. It was a good movie, just little imagination.
@@jamiewalsh3349 I agree and disagree. Would it have been a fine movie on its own? Of course, because it is ANH 2.0. And even then despite the brisker, better pacing it has some issues ANH never had but I digress.
I disagree because a lot of what went wrong in TLJ was planted in TFA. Hell, even the choice to end it with that admitedly beautiful shot on Ahch-To kinda forced the following movie to pick up immediately, reducing the sequel trilogy thus far to the most eventful week in recent galactic history.
There is no sense of progression in the conflict. Hell, there was no fucking setup in the conflict. What the fuck is the resistance? Why is it different from the New Republic the Alliance worked so hard to create? Why is there "a map to Luke Skywalker" if he didn't want to be found? Why not call it what the damn Visual Dictionary specifies it is, a map to one of the first jedi temples?
@@jamiewalsh3349
"good movie"?
It was ANH but bad
@@saberiandream316 we remember. In my mind it doesn't make the clunky dialogue of the prequels any less bad or the romance any less forced. But let it never be said the prequels were unoriginal in their worldbuilding.
@@HonestHappyHater Not really. It has great characters, it is fun, has good action and good visuals
In the original series, I took it to mean that the rebels were a ragtag group that flew antiquated ships of yesteryear which were replaced as the Empire modernized its fleet more and more with more capable and more modern tie fighters, dreadnaughts, etc. I did not expect to see the New Republic still flying obsolete Xwings and Moncalamari cruisers! I thought they would've acquired or designed newer and better ships like the Empire did before them.
They could have added z-95s to show how the resistance lacks in supplies
That just show how weak the resistance are and I don't think they could make a faction even more pethathic then it already is
Fair point
@@theemperorofmankind8082
Lmao
I think that a lot of the flack people give the sequels comes from the apparent stagnation of the story and the lack of progression. It takes place 30 years after the original trilogy and we have the same kinds of ships we did then and no real change in story, making everything the rebellion fought for seem pointless. The clone wars were 20 years prior and we see massive progression in ship designs and the how galactic power shifted from the republic to the empire, but this is all lacking in the sequels. The rebel ships were supposed to be what they could throw together to fight the galactic superpower. Why are the main characters in the same rut here if they won the Galactic civil war?
TLDR: the sequels feel cheap and like they ignore everything the prior movies laid out for the story.
forget the ships
where is original ideas
All their creativity was dumped inti SJW politicking.
Exactly. Ships designs really are the least of this movies problems.
@@akumaking1 Someone has to bring up the dreaded SJWs at least once when talking about Star Wars, and it is annoying because they're basically not real and aren't behind every single thing you don't like. Why is Rey not a great character? Because she is written poorly. Why are the new movies not great? Poor writing and laziness. Why does Holdo have purple hair? I don't know, but hair color does not have a single damn thing to do with politics and does not effect the quality of the film either way.
@@plainplane7580 you can't deny that star wars got woke, but I do agree with you that there is more to it then "SJW politicking", as Joshua put it
@@blaire4115 i would rather them use the exact same T65-B X Wings and have a great story then have new ship designs and no story
Seeing as it's Canon (partly) through Star Wars: Commander, is it possible that the Galactic Empire's Project: Blackwing had a secret objective of unlocking immortality (possibly based on one of Plagueis's attempts) and used by Palpatine around the time of the Battle of Endor? Seeing as the original version of the virus in Legends was created by Darth Drear in order to achieve immortality for Sith Lords, something Canon Palpatine was looking for due to believing that the Empire shouldn't out live him. (38th attempt). #AskEck
In "Death Troopers", it is suggested Palpatine discovered the virus, then had it turned into a bioweapon after he realized it was a lost cause.
Some Canon Material is cool, Fallen Order, Vader Immortal, Vader Comics, etc.
Actually Black Wing was tied to Mnggal Mnggal
@@CommunityFan boy it seems that way doesn't it? With Disney there is no continuity...
@@Kolonol1 no, it's based on Old Republic era Sith experiments with immortality.
From a story POV, I can understand a nostalgic "new order" being enthusiastic for retro designs. Had it been better explained on film, Leia's resistance wasn't all that well funded. The Resistance was left with Rebellion era surplus, being a rag tag order there wasn't much other then some left over A and X wings.
They don't really talk about any of that, and TLJ even contradicts it with Rose's line about the war profiteers funding both sides. So it especially makes no sense that the Resistance is as ill equipped as it is.
This is why I really hope any new movies would be thousands of years in the past or future to force a new era of designs.
Well, for FO can be added that they use assets of Empire carefully hided and prepared by Palpatin and idk that else can be hided in Unknown regions (besides Snoke)
I really hope we get to see the star-hawk, or even a fleet of star-hawks, in a space battle in episode 9
For me the new x wing design was one of the few things I liked about the new movies, but I totally understand the dissatisfaction with the tie fighters. BTW I didn't know about the triangle wing for ties in ep. 9, but I'm pretty sure they ripped off E.C. Henry.
Those triangular winged TIEs were first seen in the Art of The Force Awakens.
@@lukerope1906 I never knew that, thanks.
Would of loved to see the First Order Pearl Harbor the New Republic Fleet at Kuat or a Mid Rim dockyard planet as they returned
They did that already. When they nuked Hosnian Prime the fleet went up in smoke.
@@lba_e_ross2152 I did say a Pearl Harbor, the US still had its aircraft carriers and parts of its fleet still active. Since Star Wars had a WW2 theme to it, why not have it similar to that of the US in WW2 mixed with fighting a desperate and powerful foe. Without the need for super weapons. A balance between the internal struggles of the New Republic and the old Imperial Remnant and supporters while fighting the extremist elements of the Empire. The main focus of course on Luke being self exiled and also Rey being a soldier/officer who survived the first attack and seeks training about unknowingly using it by accident.
@@thatguy3421 Muh themes. Tell that to 9 and is Death Star Star Destoyers. You're not going to get that here. The ST and the Disney canon is garbage
@@lba_e_ross2152 I know that, also the Disney canon is alright. Also originally Ryan Johnson wanted luke to be an absolute cynci and just go mad with the force because he realised that the force would just balance itself out. Which to me sounds fascinating if done right. But i will stick to Warhammer 40k and star wars
@@thatguy3421 Gee. Rian Johsnon taking Luke out of character. Never seen that before. Disney canon is nonsensical trash that cant stand against any quality EU story. They keep rehashing and bashing the EU, giving ill service to what Star Wars was. There is no point to the ST, there is no story worth anything other than what people just keep making up in their heads. They are bringin Palpatine back to life because thay are that creatively bankrupt they have to pull a shallow DARK EMPIRE on us when it makes no sense!!!! If Palpatine can come back why in the bloody blue blazes would have made OPERATION CINDER???? If Snoke can force slam Hux from across the galaxy why didn't he just force choke and kill the entire New Republic without firing a shot? Ther is so much wrong with the Disney canon and Star Wars as a whole now that you're better off with Warhammer. No disappearing knifes happening there.
I’m only hyped for Star Wars the Mandalorian, Star Wars the clone wars season 7 and the Obi Wan Kenobi show.
Little did he know, the lack of new starships would be the least of RoS's problems.
So I play a game from FFG called X-Wing Miniatures (if you love Star Wars and you love spaceship battles, you're gonna love X-Wing) and whenever a new show or a new film comes out, it's always exciting to see what kinds of new ships we might be getting added to our game. Sadly, you are 100% correct in your assertion that ep 7-9 has added very little in terms of innovation for ship design.
In contrast ep 1-3 were filled with creativity in their design space. No one ever complains of hating 1-3 because of the design aspects - we hate (or love to meme) them for other reasons - like sand.
THose triangle wing TIEs remind me of EC Henry's models for the TIE Vector.
I wonder if that's where those came from....
They have a history of stealing his work and not giving him the credit lol.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 breeeeeehhhhhhh wtf.
@@SrMissileMonkey Its true, Eck covered it awhile ago.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 i saw that video. i believe you already.
@@SrMissileMonkey You do realise that concept artwork for The Force Awakens has Triangular Solar Wing right?
This whole sequel trilogy has felt incredibly lazy, IMO. TFA was A New Hope basically. TLJ was Empire reversed with Return of the Jedi's throne room scene thrown in (but with SUBVERSION!!! ((note subversion isn't bad. ONLY subversion is...)))
And anyone else feel really constrained by these movies? Like it's a GALAXY. How are we on a desert planet AGAIN?!?
They forgot to add a sense of wonder into star wars.
My general opinion about the newer ships when it comes to the “good guys” is that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The ships work well for them so why change them too much. The first order has no excuse though cuz tie fighters were always bad
When you consider that TIEs were supposed to be analogues of Zero fighters, and produced by one of the more technologically advanced factions, they should probably be depicted as fairly decent in-setting. I'd imagine that the average enemy for a TIE is actually using a much more primitive fighter (which was originally the case for the Zero), and that the Rebellion was often getting it's fighters via regional governments. Among other things, this helps explain the design: the huge wings are radiators, so that it can have speed + firepower. The lack of shields is presumably because they use armor, both for cost reasons, and to provide less competition for heat radiation than shields require.
EXACT SAME THOUGHT I'VE HAD SINCE I WATCHED THE FORCE AWAKENS FOR THE FIRST TIME
I think you’ve hit on some of my major complaints/gripes about the ST, which I nonetheless generally enjoyed, especially in regards to the ship designs, which is huge part of what I enjoyed and sparked my imagination in the OT. I was at least happy to see them bring some of my favorite ships like B-Wings back for TROS. I suppose that, story wise, you could chalk it up to the Resistance just not having much in terms of military resources and would have to stick with the basics and more widely available craft but I also agree about the idea of having it be a New Republic vs First Order fight but I think that they announced pretty definitively in TFA that they wanted to re-create the “Rebels vs Empire” dynamic by seemingly blowing up the “New Republic”- even though the idea of destroying a galaxy-wide government by taking out a couple of planets seems like a bit of a stretch when it seems like there would be enough people elsewhere to re-constitute a government but, given how fast galactic events occur in TFA/TLJ/TROS I guess there’s not much time to focus on that and I’m sure they wanted to stay far away from politics after ROTS.
I feel the same. When I was reading the Aftermath I got pretty excited when found out that there's a battleship called Starhawk, much powerful than ISD. Here we are in 2019 and it turns out that it's just a Nebulon B on steroids.
If I had to condense it down to just one point, it would be that the conflict we see in the sequels doesn't look like what I'd expect in the aftermath of the galactic civil war. The new factions we're introduced to feel badly out of place, as if the ongoing story was intruded upon by complete strangers. And I agree with Eck that with the exception of the resurgence class, pretty much all of the craft that we see either look like their designs haven't advanced at all, or even regressed. Whatever universe the sequel trilogy takes place in, it isn't Star Wars.
"That's just lazy writing." - Wade Wilson (DP2)
I think you nailed it with this comment. I'm one of the fans that watched all the movies on cinema, and I did want something different from the new trilogy, not just ships but new conflicts, worlds and technology. I don't know perhaps, more ground combat between the New republic (or whatever you wanna call it) and some factions of the Empire's remnant or other factions etc.
Finally we must remember that Lucas himself is disappointed about how his creation is lacking in new content, instead they're slowly replicating the OT, leaving out so much possibilities. This is the main reason that why this is the first Star Wars movie that I will not see on Cinema. It's kinda sad actually. Good work anyway.
Rogue One, set contemporaneous with the original series, offered more cool new ship designs (the U wing being the big one) than the sequel trilogy has offered.
Tros literally added over 50 new ships
What if we could have monclamari fighters, a tie with an open cylinder wing surrounding it or a x wing transport with multiple x wings
If you could design your own fighter or capital ship what would it look like and do #AskEck
The Y-wing is my all time favorite. Loved it in the OT loved seeing its history in TCW and Rebels. Why are they still flying this beat up old ship unless it's all they can get?
The Resistance is using a new model of Y-wing.
Because most of them, if new model not exist, rusty old ships falling apart on junkyard??
One thing that the sequel trilogy's have done is well...made decades old loyal fans of SW bored with it all.
Also where is the world building? Alien races (I'll explain this one in a bit), new unique looking planets and cultures?
We get a forest planet with one location (Maz's Castle) with Takodana in Force Awakens.
A planet that based on descriptions was rich with culture, the city planet that Starkiller Base destroyed in TFA.
Another forest planet in Ajan Kloss with only one location (Resistance Base) in Rise of Skywalker which looks way to similar to Takodana.
Luke's hideout with only an island seen in TFA and TLJ, which is fine, it's a hideout meant to be an homage to Yoda and Dagobah.
An entire planet shown at night so the vistas aren't visible except for the Casino and it's lights in TLJ
A cool looking planet with Crait but only an old Rebel base is seen and some crystal caves.
I get why the OT couldn't exactly do a whole lot of other species and unique planets with huge cities. The prequel trilogy really expanded the lore, planets, races and cultures.
We got Naboo, Kamino, Geonosis, Mustafar, Coruscant, Utapau, Kashyyyk, the planets seen in order 66. They all looked different and unique from each other.
The sequel trilogy barely did anything new except some new aliens that are just in the background and barely given presence unlike the Gungans, Geonosians and Ewoks and in terms of planets they did a few planets that looks the same to each other or to pre-existing planets, Ajan Kloss and Takodana both have a forest biome with no unique features like say a literal white colored ocean, something cool to make them stand out. Jakku and Tatooine, two planets with a desert biome and literally nothing new done with Jakku, which begs the question as to why didn't they just create a new unique looking planet instead? They could've done more new unique looking planets like Crait which was actually pretty cool in design but lacked world building and lore for it and they should've shown more actual world building, hell if they were that inept at doing it, they could've just revisited old planets like Coruscant or Naboo. Those planets would've made sense to show up again bc wouldn't the First Order be a big presence there?
Rogue One had some actual world building in it. Jeddah which made me curious when I saw the fallen Jedi statue, Scarif which was a new biome not seen previously and instantly memorable.
I still don't get how Empire 2: Galactic Boogaloo took over the Galaxy and the old Rebellion to Restore the Republic lost.
New star wars makes me sad.
It makes no sense at all, no way in hell would the New Republic allow a threat like the New Order come in and take over. The Rebellion overthrew the Empire with full force at the end of the war and why is it the New Republic got reduced to a Small group of resistance when the whole galaxy was against the empire but not the New order.
TFO also built entire fleets and a modernized army, with just a few planets and some remnants of Imperial forces. They also did the impossible of building a galaxy conquering force, in just 20 years or so.
Exactly. Suddenly the Empire is back in full swing and the original characters did nothing to prevent it? Yeah, no. I don't buy that.
MasterQL5 that was never explained in the movies so I am assuming that was from a novelization. That’s the kind of thing I hate about the new movies it’s that if you want the full story you had to read the novels too. At least the prequels and OT everything was just expanded upon after the movies. But even with the New Republic bureaucracy I’m sure other planets would have formed an alliance much like Confederacy to protect their own interest from the First Order.
On that last note you made, that’s the problem. It should have been like The Old Republic with a WWII scale conflict where the fleets and forces of both side are equally matched.
With 8, I got tje impression what they're going for is an "end all be all" to this trilogy, the big ending. So I guess if it were evenly sided, it's just be like watching an episode of TCW rather than the ending of the saga....Idk, still would prefer to have begun with even sides and work our way toward what we got, ya know....
#AskEck vehicles compared: Valkyrie variable fighter( SDF Macross) vs Viking( StarCraft) vs RGZ ReZel ( Gundam) vs Legios( Genesis Climber Mospeda).
Minovsky particles from the ReZel's reactor jams radar and renders the massive missile-load of the Legioss largely useless. It's 80mm guns are going to struggle against Gundarium armor, plus the Legioss has no dedicated melee weapons. 81500kg total thrust for the RGZ vs 19,200kg in the AFC. Finally the Fed pilot is trained to fight human opponents in high-performance MS, while the Martian is primed to fight hordes of predictable Inbits. Easy win for the RGZ.
@@Ozraptor4 well we see VF-1 Gua 11 machine cannons shred through rather thick power armor of Zentradi battlesuits that equal Gundarium armor. The Rezel does sacrifice armor for its transformation. The Legios and VF-1 do use heat based missile tracking systems so Mynovsky jamming is minimal at dogfighter range.
@@barrybend7189 I was considering Macross and Mospeda as separate unrelated universes (ie. not Robotech) - contrary to Robotech source material, the Legioss rifle in the original anime is an "80mm" energy gun, not a machinecannon = based on the rather small impact blasts onscreen (Inbit Gomu can shrug off hits at short range), I've always assumed them to be less destructive than a UC-universe beam rifle (which is capable of punching through capital ship armor).
@@Ozraptor4 I was commenting on the missile systems mainly which are similar to Air to Air and Air to Ground missiles. So the RGZ does have to contend with close range missile barrages. The only other thing is late UC ( 0090 to 0160) tend to have rather thin armor that most mobile suit ballistic small arms( like 80mm machine cannons) can pierce the armor.
@@Ozraptor4 also the only reason the legio's rifle doesn't effect Inbit is because of what powers the weapon.
Controversial opinion but I've always hated the basic TIE design. It looks like somebody tried to make a tennis-ball sandwich and literally only looks good in flight if seen directly from the front or back. They should have made the Interceptor the basis for the first order ties... I believe in the EU it was stated that the Empire planned to eventually retire the standard tie in favor of interceptors anyway so it would have fit.
I've felt the same way. I'm a big LEGO Star Wars fan, and while I don't have anymore room, I still find a way to buy sets and the ones I want most are the ones that aren't remakes and aren't completely gray. The Prequel and Clone Wars sets are amazing, there's so many different colors and so many different types of ships. I have really just about every different vehicle, but when we get to the Sequels, yeah, they may be different colors like the TIE Fighter being inverted and having a stripe, and Poe's X-Wing is black and orange, and that's cool, but they are still just a TIE Fighter and X-Wing. The only things that really made them interesting to me was that I hadn't built a recent version of those ships in a long time, so it was enjoyable, but still, where are the other types of ships? If it weren't for the prices I might have gotten the Resistance Bomber, or the Ski Speeder, but then what do I have go against them? Expensive versions of a Star Destroyer and an AT-AT, which I already have.
The AT-M6 is interesting, but it's not enough. Especially with the First Order, a lot of things seem to be, "It's bigger, which makes it better," when to me I think, "Yeah, but it's also not as cool because it's not different enough." I feel like their Star Destroyers are actually a bit underwhelming because the bridge region isn't as bold as the Imperial Star Destroyer or a Republic Ventator. To me, the ships look like they had their heads chopped off. Doug Chiang's direction from George for the prequels was that Star Wars design was not making it look like the stuff that came before with the Original Trilogy, what makes Star Wars look like Star Wars is making something bold. Make it bold enough to stand out, but simple enough to understand. Having said that, I do think the AT-M6 looks cool, but I like the look of the Crawler that had all the legs as kind of an evolution of the AT-ST even more, but it was cut from the movie, so I'm not going to get that set if it's not in the movie. The crawler made sense to me because it's not as unstable as an AT-ST because of all the legs, and it was a new design, something totally new, and then it wasn't in the movie. And then to make matters worse, there is an AT-ST in The Last Jedi, so it's just more of the same. Back to big triangles for a second, I do like the Dreadnought, that's a different enough design for me, and then the Supremecy, that's great looking ship in my opinion. It has a familiarity with it being the big command ship like a Super Star Destoyer, but it's wide instead of long. It still falls a bit into the First Order's "Bigger means better" mentality, but it has a nice strong and bold presence in my opinion.
When it comes to TIE Fighters, I mean, I think any change in wing design is enough to warrant calling it a new ship, I'm actually really okay with the new TIE Fighters with those triangular wings, but I do want to see them in action first to see how much it's actually used. I like the design of the TIE Striker from Rogue One, but we hardly ever see it in the movie, and since we had seen regular TIE Fighters in atmosphere in The Force Awakens and in Rebels, it seemed kind of moot that the Striker was designed specifically for atmospheric combat when standard TIEs seem to handle it just fine. Even though we only see Interceptors briefly in Return of the Jedi, I know what they are going for; it's a specialized ship because they have the same wing angles as Darth Vader's TIE Advanced and the TIE Bomber, but the wings are more dagger shaped, which makes me think they're more dangerous, and in universe, they are. It's a great design and I understood it as a kid, so it passes the bold yet simple test. I was eying Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer, it's very sleek and I really like it, but that price is what killed me for the LEGO Set. We don't see it anywhere in the new trailers, so it's disappointing to see it go. I'm guessing he's just stealing some random TIE Interceptor?
Now when it comes to the Resistance side of things, we are really just retreading old ground. It's not that I don't love X-Wings, and I got excited when I saw that A-Wing show up in The Last Jedi, but it's just not enough. Where are ships that look different or at least are further extensions of what has come before? When I first saw the Bombers, I actually thought of the B-Wing because they have a tall design with some side wings on them, but they are still vastly different, and it's great to see them, too bad they just aren't very effective. Half the size and you could have a nice heavy starfighter of some kind though, and I would believe it as being some kind of evolution of the B-Wing but not actually being one. Seeing that B-Wings and Y-Wings are going to be in The Rise of Skywalker is disappointing to me. Looking at the LEGO Set for the Y-Wing, it looks even spindlier than the ones used by the Rebellion. I mean, are they still using those same ships all the way from The Clone Wars?! And if they're not, why does it look so spindly? If you absolutely want to use Y-Wings, then make them look like they could actually survive a simple leisurely flight, let alone a dogfight. What's incredible though is that there have been competitions in the LEGO Community that ask to see what the other letters of the alphabet would look like as fighters, and some of the entries are great! Pick a letter than looks good, and make it a starfighter. You can still have it be a handmedown from the New Republic to the Resistance, but just make something new instead of a slightly modified version of something that came before.