New Chevy Bolt EV will save billions using LFP batteries made by U.S startup
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Second time EV buyers don't care as much about range because the range anxiety goes away. I'd trade some miles for the longer term reliability of LFP batteries and the fact I will be able to set my nightly charge to 100% instead of 80.
Well said! Range aniexty goes away when you realize the way people use cars. Average daily range is less than 40 miles per day.
Trips to the country etc are typically a few hours vacations are cheaper and faster taking a plane. Want scenic views ride a train! Worst case? I’ll rent a ICE.for that rare long auto trip.
200 mile range is plenty for our needs.
@@frenchydampier2209 I always rent a car when going more than say 5 hours away - I don't want to deal with something like a transmission failure hundreds of miles away, or a cut tire, or even a flat. I rent a car, and if and when I have a problem, they drop off another car. But even when I'm driving that long, we always stop every 2.5-3 hours for coffee, meals, tinkle, or just to stretch our legs and backs. During that short stop of say 20 minutes, it will add another three hours of range to the EV.
Yup, and Tesla will be right there with LFP at 25000 under cutting all OEMs, but BYD. Crushing the bottom line of GM.
@@ohger120 minute breaks every 2 to 3 hrs.
Hear, hear. Absolutely agree. The Superchargers network is growing up at light speed for those who do long hauling (not that many & not that often). People with range anxiety have been spooked by the crappy low autonomy of modern 📱. For 🚗 it's an entirely different equation.
I really wish they would have revived Saturn as an EV only brand with the same innovative thermoplastic bodies they did in the beginning... If they did that they could build affordable mass market entry level vehicles again!
On my third Tesla and it’s my first LFP. It is the best battery Ive ever had. Range is plenty, charging speed are pretty good and I leave home with 100% everyday. Range estimation is a lot more reliable and my efficiency is great at 230Wh/mi on a 1 year (4 seasons) driving
Why do you EV people buy three different EVS? Can't you just buy one?
@@markmiller8903
Some people have always bought new cars every year, because they can.
Not me, my EV is a 4 year old Nissan Leaf.
Now, if they would also put a heat pump in the new Bolt EUV. That would be great for us northerners.
Heat pumps are great when the temperatures are in the 40s or higher - once it gets into the 30s, efficiency drops. Under 30 and you're on resistive heating.
My Bolt does fine here in Indiana. I preheat in the morning while plugged in.
If, it is like the one in my house, it is good to -5 F. I seen a video with a Telsa, and the heat pump smoked the regular heater. The video was in the single digits. I know, in Wisconsin, it would be nice to have some cheap heat. I use a 12v heated blanket. Rarely run heat at all. I would use a heat pump.
@@ohger1 There's no reason to switch entirely to resistive. Instead, you can use resistive heat to warm the cold side of the heat pump cycle, but still use the heat pump for most of the load.
Whatever comes next, I'm in the fifth year of owning my beloved 2019 Premier and it still runs like on Day 1. Thank you GM, you've created a masterpiece!
So you're the one! 😂
@@jamespink4202 No, I am the two and one above. Do you mind?
I LOVE MY CHEVY BOLT EUV!!! Sorry for the all caps, I really love my car.
I almost bought one but GM stopped sales due to the battery. By the time it was ready, didn't need it. I really liked it when I test drove and was looking forward to owning one
@@pucky900 I understand why you didn’t move forward with your purchase. Mine is 2023 and I love it. I charge at home and my wife charged a 2022 Mach e premium extended range and we don’t miss gas stations.
You are not alone. I admire the idea of LFP battery since allows charging to 100%. A faster DC charge would be a nice addition.
We love our Chevy bolt EUV too. We’ve been driving it every day for almost 2 years with absolutely no issues. Just drive all day, come home for dinner, plug it in, charging starts after 10:pm when power is dirt cheap, drive all day, repeat!
GM strategy is hard to understand & blame their catastrophic CEO for that. When they stopped the first Bolt I facepalmed hard. You don't throw away something that works. You fix the flaws, you upgrade & then you get a best seller for the decade.
It's obvious now that a part of American drivers want smaller & cheaper 🚗 (like everywhere else in the world).
Any good EV that helps retiring an ICE stinker is welcome in my book.
This is like putting the cart before the horse a year after it already dropped dead.
Wheel fell off cart ha
Love this 😂
Sweet
Yesterday, had a look at a dolphin compact suburban runabout. Very nice. Might buy one when we get rid of the last ice.
This is the type of cars that Big legacy Auto needs to produce, great price point, push adoption, great idea to adopt LFP, hopefully 80-100% usage will become a common place with degradation, cut the range anxiety. They should option the car with home chargers installed. Make the experience turn key.
Borg Warner has a license to assemble blade batteries for Ford and GM
Only for commercial vehicles. Not passenger cars
Good, when it comes to cell packaging for BEV batteries, the blade configuration is the only way to go. It leads to as as simpler, more compact, lighter, less expensive battery
So glad to hear GM is going to use an LMFP battery for the Bolt when it comes back in ‘25. First off, less danger of fires and since they are cheaper, the car won’t be more expensive. It’s the first smart decision they’ve made in years. Hope it works out.
The car will be more expensive because they can. Then the dealers will mark them up because they hate EVs,
GM dealers will be a problem that will not go away.
Mitra chem is developing the cathode material and not the actual cell itself. This is not their battery supplier.
So who would be the supplier?
One of the large scale cell manufacturers such as LG Chem, Panasonic, BYD, CATL because they are the only ones with the knowledge and scale to be able to build cells in the volumes required.@@NiejakiDD
@@NiejakiDD CATL
@@NiejakiDD
Theoretically anyone they sell their product to, which could include CATL, LG Chem, a company called Gotion, and probably others as well.
It could be with Gotion with which they have a joint venture and who is building a factory in Illinois.
Gotion is a Chinese batt. Company 😂😂😂
As a happy Bolt euv owner, I'm looking forward to the 2nd-gen Bolt.
Chevrolet Blazer hold has been released....FYI
You're on the wrong track. Mitra Chem hasn't stated anything about making their own cells. They are a cell component manufacture (at least cathodes), or that is apparently their plan.
LG Energy are planning to make LFP cells in the U.S. LG Energy is building a battery/cell manufacturing complex in Arizona, and one of the products they plan to make is LFP Pouch cells.
That doesn't necessarily mean that GM's supplier for cells for the Bolt EUV will be LG Energy in Arizona, but GM does have a strong connection with LG Energy.
Perhaps this start up will be helping LG reduce battery costs?
If what you say is true that would make sense.
The perfect next-stage battery-packs will hopefully combine circa 85% CATL Shenxing LFP with 15% CATL sodium ion. Sodium ion cells are very low/high temperature tolerant(-40C to +60C) so that in sub-zero temperatures with mixed batt-packs the sodium ion cells could kick in and provide power for at least 5-10 miles until the LFP cells have warmed - or cooled down in extremely high ambient temperatures...
Paul G
I only need a battery with 100 mile range per day for in town driving. Dont need the expense or weight of a larger battery.
Several Battery manufactured have broke ground here in SC ...I suspect they will be ready to provide products within the next 24 months or so. They are huge facilities. Specifically designed to manufacture EV batteries... For the US market.
If I could buy a Bolt EUV that would charge at a Supercharger location, that would definitely pique my interest. My 2017 BoltEV Premier only has four things I'm displeased with. 1: It's Fast Charger ain't fast, 2: The seatbacks are too hard (GM puts substandard seats in a LOT of newly released vehicles) so they can brag about better seats later on, 3: The Heat and AC better have a driver selectable choice, instead of letting the car decide which one, and finally, 4: I want a spare tire and the tools to change a flat, whether it's standard equipment or extra cost.
If new and refurbished batteries can come in at affordable prices and availabilities EV sales will skyrocket in a few years.
South Carolina to make ESS for grid-scale
Dec 8, 2022 - The 500,000-sq-ft facility will have an initial production capacity of 3 GWh and produce LFP cells for grid-scale energy storage applications 4:01
GM and Element 25 are building a High Purity Manganese Sulfate plant in Louisiana. This should cover the M in LMFP. Not quite sure if it will be cost productive. Shipping manganese ore from Perth to New Orleans sounds expensive.
The problem with announcing this is people were going to buy the cheapest chevy EV this year ...they will wait and see for this one...hurting their sales even more...
if they manage to make batteries for more than 10 vehicles that would probably make GM satisfied.
No American/Western company can or could beat CATL's latest-gen Shenxing LFP cells - and not just on price...
Paul G
GM need to get batteries from more than one vendor, its best to spread out the lost if it happens
I live near the Kansas Fairfax GM Bolt plant. What should be looking for related to their batteries and production that could help you?
Sam, the Bolt EUV picture you show from GM Authority is not the new 2025 model it's the discontinued model, the one coming up is nowhere to be seen so far
All G.M. needed to do is use LFP batteries to increase the range to 320+ miles and allow use of Tesla's Supercharger stations of 150kWh re-charge rate. The Bolt EUV is a good design for an entry level EV. Using the Tesla charging network would be a great plus for long trips. AND I do not want to be held back to driving like a little old lady at 55mph and re-charging every 150 miles.
How much do they pay Mary Barra? She and her counterparts at the other Legacy companies talked big about producing millions of EV units without having first nailed down a real strategy for obtaining batteries. Wow. That’s on top of their haphazard product design and production.
plants are coming to South Carolina
Mar 22, 2023 - Charlotte-based Albemarle Corporation says it will spend $1.3 billion to build a new lithium processing facility on 800 acres
Are the batteries from Gotion Hi Tech, perhaps? It would make sense.
I never feel the need to comment, but wanted to let you know I think you Awesome !
Would it necessarily be the case that LiFePo4 batteries have lower energy density? I currently have a year old Bolt EV and really love it, so I am hoping the Bolt EV comes back so others can experience what is a really great car., my large Makita as I call it.
its because the LFP batteries are less prone to fires and we all know what the bolt is know for.. they are trying to bump up its name while its already been degraded
I would be interested in a Bolt with a LFP ... LiFePO4 battery. Hope it is a success. I will compare it to newer lower cost Tesla. Dialed in details, and proper tech support will be rewarded with sales.
Are LFP battery's for the new Bolt going to still require 7 to 8 hours to fully recharge on regular household 110/120 volt outlets?
I'll believe it when I see it!
I believe it’s an 8 year license to Borg Warner from BYD
well I worked for Pilot Transport, transporting their engineering cars etc.. They have their head up their ass.Go for Aptera !
It is byd make LFP batteries for GM and Ford in US.
High speed electric monorails please!
It was reported that GM had a falling out with LG Chem over making LMFP batteries at their third battery plant. Looks like GM will partner with Mitra Chem instead. The problem is Mitra is a start up with no manufacturing experience, so GM will be making these batteries instead of LG Chem. Doesn’t make much sense to use the LMFP batteries in only the Bolt. Wonder if the Equinox EV 1LT will also get them as its MSRP is significantly lower than the higher Equinox EV trims. For me LMFP is a plus, not only cheaper but less resistant to starting itself on fire. They have less energy density but they have no problem being charged to 100%.
Private company by the way, can't pick up some stock :)
I didn't think lithium iron phosphate batteries were the most common battery packs now. I thought lithium ion was.
if they add a little magnesium, the batteries might be better.
I'd guess that Mitra Chem are hopping mad because of Sam mispronouncing their name repeatedly!
I’ll buy one.
Is this not the problem with electric car batteries - so many different potential ways to go. Private buyers usually like a degree of certainty that what they buy will not be obsolete within a few months.
Didn't GM cancel the Bolt?
Viking, I am surprised at how you are interpreting this move by GM. $60 million is research and development money, not a down payment on future production. Remember that Volkswagen spent $250 million on quantumscape's efforts to make a solid state battery.
Honestly, I think Toyota has it right, EV's are fine for many, but most people can neither afford them (even with rebates) and range/recharging is still an inconvenience some people can't overcome. I wish more manufacturer's took a pragmatic look into EV's and made more PHEV/hybrids models like Toyota. Chev (etc.) have really dropped the ball in not making hybrid options on their petrol engine vehicles which would still save consumers cost and still make a difference into easing new customers into EV tech. Looking at GM, where they not only killed off the production of cars and hybrids, going straight to EV kind of left them open to losing money to other brands that offer those models (hard to listen to GM cry when they made these choices). More innovation in ICE/Hybrid/PHEV models are still possible and needed for consumer introduction until EV's become interchangeable in price and convenience.
You Make a valid argument, except for one issue. The two downsides to EV’s may be gone within the year:
Range & price
then the problem of hybrids:
why have two technologies when 1 is more efficient
Single supplier? a new startup?
Not a great plan
Whatever tech they use, they better hurry. Consumers are losing confidence in anything EV from GM. Delay after delay and shitty software issues is hard to ignore. Lastly, the price of their EVs is the same or higher than the competition. I think most will pass until they get things worked out and running smoothly.
I heard that the Chevy Bolt EUV will be replaced by the Chevy Equinox. No more Bolt EUV. True or False?
False if you believe what GM has said. Bolt EUV will be replaced with an updated car of the same name. But GM has historically failed to execute their plans. Time will tell.
False. They eliminate the base equinox so that they can have a cheaper bolt model. Raises the lowest price of the equinox
Hopefully not another Nikola or Lordstown ... Where are they going to build them?
in the virtual world obviously.
The UAW contract guaranteed new product for the Fairfax plant in Kansas.
10 million orders for a an EV would be demanded from the US public if they're was a model that would cost only 25,000 (total price including taxes and deliver) and the EV could
eleminate the battery degradation limitation's, while also preserving a 200 mile range, but of course the EV would need to go from say 5% battery life to 100% battery life in
6 hours or less on regular household Level 1 charging, with no need for consumers to learn or care about levelat home or level 3 charging or public charging station's like Tesla,
when technology like the above does exist, the tipping point for worldwide EV adoption will have officially occured,
One Next Energy and Nano One Materials* + Lithium Americas lithium from late 2026 onwards
Come on vw do the same thing
Is the Bolt $17,000 or $30,000 dollars? Do they even make the Bolt anymore. Just start with that.
The problem with all these legacy auto makers is they are more akin to a bureaucracy, like a government institution. They are not nimble and are heavily unionized so unable to quickly adapt. Always incentivized to play it safe. Their deep ties to the union and government is a recipe for mediocrity and low, rate per dollar hour output, churning out bland and toned down vehicles people are not “Excited” for.
LFP can last 2 million miles
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I think the best way to "beat" China is to team up with them on our terms and on our turf. That way, we make money off of what they create too...yet also provide employment here in the USA. In essence, we allow them to build and sell their buses, trains, ships, cars, whatever, but build these things with them right here, use our own materials and rare earths, save the shipping costs, construct new factories, and increase and streamline our manufacturing capabilities as well. They could profit from helping us while we also benefit. Cooperation would achieve greater world stability too. If China was profiting off of cooperative ventures and had a lot of their own people involved over here, they'd be less inclined to want to engage us in warfare. Same goes with Russia. Strong business partnerships are essential for happy relationships. However, our lackluster leaders prefer to duke it out daily, despite the risk of inflaming tensions further. Stupidity rules. And I understand Russia is no angel to their neighbors and China has no regard for any other ethnic groups, but talk and handshakes are cheaper than war. True diplomacy is what we're really lacking these days. Arrogance is bliss. 🤔
I need a strong dose of permanent amnesia to forget all the problems with this world. Peace and love to all the world. Once we learn to love again, we can finally start to live again. ❤
Leave it up to Mary to Bury GM 👍🏻
how many EV announcements have GM made? And of all of them, how many are, um, REALITY? lots of vaporware and plans and dreams....
I'm getting sick of all this GM BS! When they start successfully start building something I will follow!
Equity in the Bolt brand? GM had to recall every Bolt ever made because of its exploding batteries. They are grasping at straws with the Mitro investment. Mary Barra is just collecting a paycheck and completely uninterested in GM's future. CATL already has an LFMP battery in production. Wonder if they have a case for patent infringement against Mitra?
Despite that, the Bolt is a sought after used BEV.
I think lg made those batteries if I'm not mistaken. I also believe they've all been replaced and I can assure from personal experience they are amazing cqrs
I'm betting we see the LFP Bolt before we see the Model 2. Tesla doesn't have a good track record for new product launch.
The Roadster was supposed to be available 5 yrs ago.😅😅
lol this is a tiny company they won’t scale to factory in the next 5 years let alone 2 haha
Without a battery factory there are no batteries. Battery plants take billions of dollars. GM is basically outsourcing its failure to others.
So, car manufacturers should process their own gasoline? Maybe tires and oil, while they're at it.
Growing hybrid sales continue to outpace EV sales. Toyota is right. GM was wrong. Toyota has to think like the global manufacturer that it is.
Tesla's Near and Far Future, Dojo update w/ Cyber Bulls
Brighter with Herbert
GM can never get back what they have lost, even with cheaper batteries does anyone seriously think that GM will sell vehicles cheaper, maybe a little, but they'll still want huge margins to try and claw back loses, this is relevant to Ford also
Maybe GM is finally realizing that their ultium battery is crap.
I'd say it is. GM had its bum on fire in 2021😂
We need low cost basic transport EVs in the US, please.
Hello mate
China
GM has three of it's own battery cell manufacturing plants, including one partnered with LG that will come online in 2026. The others should be online now. Mitra Chem makes battery cathodes & chemistries, not batteries. Seems likely that they would supply GM's battery plants with a chemistry platform and cathodes and not actually be making batteries. BTW the reason GM has had problem producing enough batteries for their EVs is not cell production, it has been module assembly. They choose to use in house staff and an automation vendor who had never assembled modules at scale. There's good reason I think, to expect the 2025 Bolt EUV to have an LFP, LMFP or LFX (Mitra proprietary) battery made by GM in North America using Mitra's tech, configuration and materials.
GM could try
The only way GM saves billions with LFP batteries is to not make any EVs. But, Mary can keep promising that GM has plaaaaans for new EV models which will never be produced.
LFP batteries have a lower energy density, they cannot store as much charge as other electric car batteries. That is why they are only used in the entry-level Standard Range models. They also cannot be charged as quickly as NCA and NMC batteries, especially not in the cold.
All sounds and looks very 70s bankruptcy 😮
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Start ups = $cams
Tesla got their own giga battery factory and secondary catl, panasonic suppliers
In 2025 a Chevy Bolt with LFP batteries? So, what, that is at least a year away.
The Citroën ëC3 is due to arrive at the dealers in April 2024 all over the Europe (and remember Citroën is also in the Stellantis family . . . . just like GM).
LFP battery, sub €25k, 200mls range, 100kW charging and build in the EU.
And all the Tesla fanboys keep waiting on that sub $25k Tesla fantasy, that would be the first affordable sub $25k EV and on sale around 2021? . . . . . bla bla bla.
The Renault R5 Etech will be the next 2024 EV around that €25k mark.
wearing the same shirt in every video
Mit-Ra not Mit-A. smh
GM authority is not a GM website. it's a website about GM. The phrasing implies that it's owned by GM. Secondly, the pictures that you show are of the bolt EUV or the current and past vehicle not a rendering or idea of what the new one might look like unless it's going to be the exact same car that just stoped being on sale.
Why Tesla Buys Batteries?!
FutureAZA (formerly MyTeslaWeekend)
Oh and you got that wrong Tesla didn’t start using LFP batteries BYD did
Not gonna hapoen. And no one can save the big three.
Dude, seriously... you have like 100 videos wearing the exact same shirt. You're free to do whatever you want, but it looks tacky and cheap to your viewers.
To A viewer. You don't speak for all. It's also the height of ego. It's also kind of a twat move.
Not at all he’s getting his money out of that one
Look at like this. He's branding.
Sam doesn't like change...He talks about it though...
I was just thinking that an saw your post 😂
Another example of plagiarism on this site. Its just a rehashed The Driven article. I have no respect for a site that just makes a living of other peoples work.