With the incongruity in this gentleman's timelines and bafflingly making the claim Peter didnt play on the first album (which I think he suggests was Dressed To Kill), I would say that he's simply confusing Alive and Alive II. That's what makes the most sense given the wealth of information out there from the band themselves, producers, and other secondhand sources and this only being brought to light 48 years after the fact by a guy with a spotty memory.
I'm suprised Bob himself never brought this up. He had no problem in the past telling anyone who would listen what KISS albums and songs he appeared on. I find that very strange he never mentioned this even once. Ever.
“Joe D'Angelo - I was working with Bob Kulick to publish a book. I have 15 different chapters that he and I outlined including this story about him playing on Alive!”
@@MichaelBrandvold I wanna see it & What tracks He overdubbed on Alive 1 bad now then. Cause right now I'm with Mark when it comes to this whole thing honestly.
I knew Bob personally we both live in Vegas he was in Vegas till he passed,I knew his gf Julie at the time she’s an amazing photographer and I hung out w him many times ,we would talk about our love for the Beatles,he loved working w Lemmy ,you never had to coax Bob to talk about kiss. He loved talking about all his accomplishments and if he opened a can of soda at a kiss session he would say he was recorded opening a can of soda . He talked about every involvement he ever had w them and Paul Stanley and he never ever mentioned Alive and I would ask him about everything. So I don’t believe it for a second sorry.
Born & bred Queens kid here whose ears perked up at hearing an old school, authentic NYC accent .. really enjoyed this episode and laughed at Tom’s Taxi Driver reference- growing up in the late 70’s/early 80’s, taking the train to Times Square (and not getting ripped off, mugged, or worse) was considered a rite of passage..
Hey, I’ll give this guy a break about his memory, timelines, and recollections. Maybe he is right, maybe not. Memories get fuzzy over the years. For example, I have a strong memory of going to a show on the "Dress To Kill Tour" back in 1975 - it was Wildwood, New Jersey or maybe Davenport, Iowa...or it might have been Detroit or Cleveland?? Anyways, I was just hanging out backstage before the show, and right before the band hit the stage, Paul Stanley himself came walking towards me. I had a drink in my hand, and he asked: "Hey man, what do people like to drink around here?" I was drinking a Screwdriver, and since I really didn't know the local drink-of-choice, I said: "Well Paul, there's a lot of these people here tonight that like to drink vodka and orange juice" - Right before they kicked into "Cold Gin" that night, I was shocked when I heard Paul repeat the words I had told him! And even more shocked when KISS "Alive!" came out and there it was, ingrained in vinyl forever! I never looked for credit on the album or any kind of pat-on-the-back. Anyways, that's the way I remember it....I think....
Chief Broken Arrow, Your once-in-a-lifetime experience, as you have mentioned here, gave me goosebumps! You know, the good ones that leave you all happy and excited! Three thoughts: 1) How wonderful that it ever happened, to you! 2) How awesome that you've held on to that memory these many years! ...and 3) How much of a true fan you are to other fans, like me, to share your "Screwdriver" minutiae with Paul on this forum/TH-cam platform! ... Alex in Dallas Texas USA
I wanted to add a non-KISS related comment: I find it interesting when people make comments like: "I didn't get the whole punk thing", "They weren't good musicians", or, as stated in this interview: "CBGB's was a dump". Well, those comments would indicate that you DID in fact "get the whole punk thing", as that was the very point of punk rock. Punk's primary statement was that you didn't need to be a musical prodigy to play rock and roll, and that Carnegie Hall wasn't the only venue to showcase rock and roll. Yes, many punk artists were rudimentary in their musicianship - that was the point. Yes, CBGB's was a dump - that was the point. Recognizing these things is a firm indication that you truly understood the point of punk.
If you consider the amount of albums kiss put out in a relatively short period of time, and their constant nonstop touring schedule, finishing touches to an album is so important. Bob Kulick was a go to guitarist for many artists. His guitar work on the Crimson idol is legendary. I don’t think anyone could’ve done it better and I read somewhere in an article Blackie said Bob’s fingers were bleeding by the time they were done . pure perfection. This piece of minutia about Bob on Alive is amazing to me. It makes me love this album even more.RIP Bob you are greatly missed.
What a great interview with Frankie. Great info about so many great music artists. Special stuff thanks to all of Three Sides of the Coin. Never ceases to amaze me.
Patti Smith’s connection to Blue Öyster Cult was through Allen Lanier (the band’s rhythm guitarist/keyboardist). She and Allen were in a relationship before Patti met Fred ‘Sonic’ Smith. Also, when you consider how much Kiss toured in 1975, and how tight the release deadline was for “Alive!”, it’s not at all surprising that Bob Kulick was brought in to punch in some guitars.
Patti co-wrote Baby Ice Dog, Career of Evil, Revenge of Vera Gemini, and Shooting Shark.Kind of funny that she's "priestess of punk" yet co-wrote BOC songs.
Interesting episode. Not sure how much weight i would put into Bob doing overdubs for Alive, definitely could have happened but Bob really liked talking about stuff he did in regards to Kiss. I dunno and the guy seemed to not know his Kiss history and even suggested Peter.didn't play drums on the debut? I figure 50 years on things become foggy and i am sure doing hundreds of sessions things get confused over the years. Cool conversations tho.
@@MichaelBrandvold Definitely not saying it didn't happen. Totally could have. I was just commenting that his facts on some common stuff were a little foggy but he isn't really a Kiss minutia guy and the Bob fact kinda came up randomly, so I don't think it is something he made up but I guess we will never know for sure. Maybe Bruce would have more info on this?
Eddie Kramer relied on Bob Kulick for various projects, the same way Bob Ezrin relied on Hunter/Wagner for various projects. Anytime there's an interview and they're going back 40-50 years there's going to be "senior moments". I'm big on fact checking but when they do these interviews, have to roll with it for entertainment value, and figure out for yourself through other interviews and conversations with people who were "in the room" where the truth lies.
@@michaelkeller971 No he didn’t. If you bothered to listen, we asked that a couple times… he was quite sure it was Alive, especially since he didn’t work on Alive II.
Awesome episode once again Three Sides!! I have been a fan of the original lineup since '76 and Ace has always been my guy. Hearing this news didn't bother me in the least. I've heard many a musician talk about being an in demand studio /session player doing things just like this. Iam not going to lie, I was really surprised but it didn't upset me and it certainly hasn't changed my opinion of KISS Alive. It's my favorite live KISS album and I think one of the greatest live albums of all time!!
Another revelation from the KISS world exclusively discovered by Three Sides. As riveting and exhiliating as the lady who claimed Bill Aucoin said Kiss would be finished after the 77 tour. I'll echo what many others have already said in the comments and call BS on this. Bob was angry in the months leading up to his passing and would have yelled this to anyone who cared to listen to him if this was true.
Looks like the intro and outro were swapped, but no worry...I just forwarded to 1:42:11 to watch the intro, then will go back to 10:33 for the interview, and then to 0:32 for the outro. Putting this here so I can click on it later (and if anyone else wants to do the same)
Been a Kiss fan since 1975 & enjoy listening to "Three Sides Of The Coin" Very interesting show. Sound engineer Frank D’Augusta is a good friend of mine and has been my sound engineer for my show Late Night with Johnny P 2009-2018 & currently Up Late with Johnny Potenza. Thank you for the plug Frankie 😎
The thing is with the studio side of Alive 2 tracks like Larger Than Life You can totally tell the difference between Bob & Ace's playing. So I'm damn near with Mark on this far as Bob being on Alive 1 as well unless He was really trying to sound like Ace as much as possible cause He didn't on Alive II.
Just subscribed! Loved this interview! It’s so cool how Frankie was able experience first hand their rise to stardom. Just Wow! The John Lennon story blew me away. You guys all rock !!!!
Bruce is saying it didn't happen. Wouldn't he know? Here's the thing tho. If Bob did play a note here and there, so what, the album was plenty touched up. You still missed the mark on Frampton comes alive being touched up and asking about Frampton equipment being used to touch up kiss alive. Would've liked to hear a bit more about Frampton because he said his live album was never touched up.
@Michael Brandvold which is fine. But why not get into Frampton comes alive to see I it was touched up or if he knew kiss used his equipment? Both these would've been interesting to hear about. But he did have many things wrong. Pete didn't play on first record?? Mark had to correct him a few times on his timeline too.
@@ca3317 As far as "Frampton Comes Alive" goes, Peter's discussed that one ad nauseum, he said there was a mic crackle that needed to be cleaned up, and because a mic was placed further than it should, he had to overdub. Overdubs are just part of the post production decision making. I do wonder if Jack Douglas had to overdub Aerosmith "Live Bootleg" even though Perry and Tyler claimed they wanted to leave the mistakes in. I bet Jack would admit it now!!
Am I losing it or are the pieces of this video put out of order? It seems the video ends with the "you gotta watch this" and yet starts in the middle of the convo of what was revealed. :) Great stuff anyway, I watched it all.
Holy crap guys, this was amazing! What a maniac Frankie was! He casually mentions Stevie Wonder walked into the room with Mick like it's a normal everyday thing because it actually WAS for him, hanging out with John Lennon and Peter Frampton, Patti Smith, etc.. he was so deep in the trenches of rock history on such a high level, dude is a real treasure. Thanks for sharing his story. I think we need to see Frankie Eldorado back on stage at KISS Kruise this year!!!
I'm from and still living in Davenport, Iowa. Two songs were recorded here at the RKO Orpheum Theater. This is explained on Wikipedia. On the song 'let me go, rock & roll' you can hear one of the band members yell 'come on, Quad Cities!' I was 13 when they played here. They were with Foghat.
I just watched an interview with Bruce who stated that his brother did not play on Alive. Bruce indicated that Bob was extremely proud of his contribution to "Kisstory" and would have absolutely acknowledged had he played even a single chorde on Alive. Moreover, Bruce stated that after Bob's sad passing, he went through volumes of Bob's documents, notes, journel entries and there was no mention whatsoever about any contribution to Alive. I cannot help but to think that you fellas have not listened to this interview. Big fan of your channel....don't always agree with your sentiments, but all in good fun. For my ears, Bob's playing on the song Nowhere To Hide is not only fantastic, but, also, one of my favorite Kiss songs ever. Again, thanks fellas for the premise of your channel....I always learn something new about Kiss, my first true live!
@MichaelBrandvold I'm not trying to cause an argument or insinuate that I have any real idea....I just thought that that it was interesting that I happened to see this topic on your channel after just watching an interview with Bruce within the last couple of days. You certainly have infinitely more knowledge on the topic than I do....I enjoy watching your channel for the purpose of learning. Yall do a great job...I am a subscriber. I will say that many with whom leave comments seem to think they know more about the topics you discuss than you folks do. I have seen your responses to the know it alls...cracks me up. Keep up the great work brother!
Dick Wagner played on Sweet Pain on Destroyer & Same Old Song & Dance on Aerosmith Get Your Wings but Bob Ezrin is infamous for bringing in other guys to play on a track etc.
I don't think Bob wanted to make a big deal out of it at the time because it's only overdubs. Now if it was guitar solos that would of been a different story. It also states on the Unmasked album(Wiki) he did overdubs also and he never ever mentioned anything about that
Way cool interview, TSOTC! Personally, I'm not a bit surprised or upset by hearing that Bob Kulick might have contributed some minor touch-ups to the "Alive" recordings. This happens all the time in recording, with artists at every level. When a producer is finishing tracks and mixing, they often discover bits in the tracks that need a touch-up, or an embellishment for the betterment of the entire track. If the artist themselves aren't around at that time, they'll go to the studio musicians, who are always qualified and at the ready and, almost unilaterally, go uncredited. Even the Beatles did this - Geoff Emrick, who engineered most of the Beatles recording sessions, said that there were hundreds of musicians who added a flourish of sound here, an embellishment there, or an overdub. And they never were given credit on the album. It's part of the recording process.
What is TSOTC! an acronym of? Now that's a new one for me! Once I have the answer I will probably say to myself "Yea, of course it is! How could it not be?!🥴 ...Alex in Dallas Texas USA
Of course I'm gonna go through Kiss Alive 1 & now be like is that Ace or Bob on that? Again You can tell the difference on Alive 2 the studio side easily.
I've wondered for a while! I read a quote from Peter Frampton a few years ago, and I cannot find it again. He said that Kiss "used his gear" to record an album, and I believe he was talking about "Alive." That sounds astounding to me, but can anyone confirm and add anything to this point? Wahi' Valleys
Keef himself has conflicting recollections over the years whether he used an EHX Small Stone or an MXR Phase 100, but yeah--either way it's definitely a phase pedal through a Mesa Boogie Mk I.
When I learned from Eddie Kramer that Kiss Alive 1 was only Peter's drums and Ace's guitar live at the shows. All the vocals were overdubbed along with Gene's bass and Paul's guitar, that is when I became a bigger fan of Kiss Alive 2.
It’s not a well kept secret that there was work done to Alive! Even Paul Stanley has admitted that, finally. Honestly, they never said WHO did the work, just that work was done.
But,… Eddie Kramer and the band re-recorded approximately 70% of the album. The only thing they didn’t have to touch were Peter Criss’ drums, which were already pretty solid. Bass, vocals, and even lead guitar was touched up and fixed, all but seamlessly
I've been listening to 3 sides every week since Mitch was on the show. Never have missed an episode. Brandvold is a tool, and Mark has tasted Ketchep from around the world. I really want Bruce to play Tears Are Falling on December 2nd. 😮
I think a bigger "revelation" than Bob possibly overdubbing some guitar on Alive! is Peter (according to Frankie...) did not play drums on the debut KISS album! 😆😅🤣
Look, here’s what I KNOW to be a fact and I WAS THERE personally. The lead playing ACE did is very consistent and not much improvisation - even in his early guitar solo spot. Look, watch and listen to early KISS live videos prior to 1976 and Ace is playing those leads and has that “alive tone” that turned all us early guitarists onto to KISS. Kulick may have punched in some of Paul Stanley’s guitar parts because if you listen to early KISS videos, at times, Stanley drops out on guitar because he’s doing crazy visual shit. Now, I believe that’s possible. But as far as playing Ace’s leads on ALIVE - I don’t believe it. Not for one second. But it is possible he punched in some of the rhythm guitar parts here and there when Stanley was jumping around and prancing and dancing. I saw KISS about 3 times before and during the ALIVE tour. Ace had that tone and played those leads captured on ALIVE. I was there and I heard it myself. I helped with the monitor mix on one of those concerts. When ALIVE came out I was surprised how accurately Ace’s tone was captured. Stanley, by comparison, during this period had a less powerful almost hollow and “tinny” tone live.
I'm In You is His worst Album cover tho which was coming off His cover photo on Rolling Stone magazine which didn't help cause it made Frampton this pretty boy etc. with the press and He got blasted for that. It's true Peter was absolutely saying yes to everything back then He admitted it on His Behind The Music.
Yes, it's entirely reasonable to take Frankie at his word. But it begs the question: He wasn't the only person in the studio for these alleged Kulick overdubs, so why has NO ONE in 40+ years of KIϟϟtory even hinted at the same bombshell, as plausible as it is? Me, I'll consider this allegation fully confirmed when I hear it from a second party, whether that's Eddie Kramer or another uncredited engineer. And that's in no way a slight against your guest or his credibility--I thought he was a fantastic interview & struck me as a down-to-earth guy. I love when you guys sit down with engineers and techs! Keep up the good work--I hope to see some of you later this year in Toronto, or in NYC when I finally get my MSG cherry popped!🤘🏻
Because it is only a bombshell to us, even to Frankie is wasn’t a big deal. Remember all these people working in the studio were not KISS fans, they were just working on another project. They would never give it a second thought.
@@MichaelBrandvold All I'm saying is, the subject of KIϟϟ and their uncredited session players has been so done to death by insiders over the years--in every form from fanzines & expo Q&As to in-depth high-profile interviews--that it's hard to believe Kramer, knowing our rabid love for this level of minutiae, would still be keeping mum on any detail of one of the biggest live albums in rock history. Harder still to accept that Kulick would take this particular secret to the grave.
If you believe he was in the studio and played one chord, you kids have been drinking pre-pod. I know this through my experience in the studio for 42 years. He was probably re-playing Paul’s parts.
In his last interviews Bob (RIP) was mentally so disturbed, hostile, not only against KISS but even against Bruce. He would have not only talked about ALIVE! he would've insisted and repeated again and again....I played on Alive! But he didn't.
The way your coming off is you are pissed I'll stop listening but you know bob kulicks a lead guitar player And someone will see the title of the episode and won't even watch it and automatically think ace didnt
I’m won’t be pissed in the slightest if you stop listening. What you do is of zero importance to me. My life won’t change. So just please stop listening.
Just reading some of the comments and it seems as though many of you can’t imagine that your fantasy of Kiss has been shattered. This guy Frank has no reason to make this up . I looked him up he was quite a legend as far as engineering goes and has worked with the best of the best and would have no reason to make anything up. Quite frankly I don’t think he could care less for him this was just a job That he had to get done. Give the guy a break and the respect he so well deserves. We all love Kiss but some of you need to come off your kiss cloud and realize even the best of bands did what they needed to do to get the sound that they wanted whether it was them or someone else.
I love the show but it seems to me You take pride when something comes out that ace or Peter didn't Play every single note every band Does it .we all knows tommy And Eric are better players l don't Have a problem with Eric singer He has his own style but tommy Does not l know I'm off subject But that's my opinion .and like You mike I've been a diehard For 45 years keep up the good Work but you do slam sec and Peter my name is Mackie Johnson ! Use my wife's device just to watch the show
@@kennajohnson6175 we have never taken pride in that, we are simply pointing out the facts, the reality. I know for some fans that isn’t something they can deal with because it destroys their fantasy. That isn’t our problem. We love all eras of KISS.
I don't have a fantasy I know Band members come and Go .it just seems people try And downplay ace and Peter And by the way if l had to choose A lineup it would be ace and Eric Singer like in 2001 don't take it To heart I think you guys do a Good job but really does it matter What we think? But as a fan I feel Like were all getting ripped off with the band the way it is now
I doubt it. He is probably mixing things up with an alive II. Makes no sense. The band wasn’t fighting at that point. Why wouldn’t they each just do their own overdubs? Doesn’t sound right but who knows? As for the keyboards on Unmasked, no one ever thought for one second that any of the band members played those parts. It was obvious a session player. No one knew who but we all knew it was someone else. No one had enough talent to play that. Thanks for the John Lennon stories. My favorite ever
Nobody said Bob replaced Ace’s playing, actually IF you listened you would know Bob didn’t even play entire songs or even solos… he just dropped in a couples notes here and there. Notes you would never be able to tell who was playing. Try listening before you comment next time.
If true….How would this be scandalous? kISS are the kings of literal smoke and mirrors and have had no problems tricking and cheating fans. Do you think Gene played on all those songs? How about live?
come on, there was no need whatsoever for bob kulick on alive and the only reason he was on 2 was bc af was flaking out. also peter was all the drums on 2 and shock me... ok maybe some cleaning up while they were on tour sounds plausible and bob prob wouldnt bother to brag about that.
In his last interviews Bob (RIP) was mentally so disturbed, hostile, not only against KISS but even against Bruce. About his contribution on ALIVE! he would have insisted and repeated again and again....But he didn't! What he did (or not) must've been a banality. And Paul didn't even notice.
I remember stringing up the tapes that came in from LA marked "Daddy Long Legs" Who's coming in? Gene from Kiss? OK cool, The first thing I heard was the opening of Running With The Devil, Very cool. Van Halen ZERO, Dave Whittman, and Myself recorded and mixed along with Gene producing the vocals we did with David Lee and Eddie V, And of course, mixing!! ELS NY NY, I wanted to mention it? I was having a "Senior Moment" Lol th-cam.com/video/jXZnB2xJ26s/w-d-xo.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
I don't think so. Bob has told several podcast that he wasn't paid to shut up about ALIVE II, he just got his fee and kept quiet because he saw them as friends and wouldn't betray them. This is probably just mixed up memories.
Do you have anything better to do than leave comments about a band you clearly have a problem with? Seems you are the bigger loser in this conversation.
No I'm a kiss fan to been to there show in 96 reunion St Louis Missouri was a good show but did the vocals sound great no did bob kulick appear no did you ever listen to the wicked Lester stuff? was in standard tuning or was it substandard? do know who really created the sound they had?
Sorry I was at the 96 Reunion show in St. Louis first section off the floor 8 rows up on Paul’s side and the sound was great! I remember saying to my wife I don’t need to see them again because this show can’t be topped. Mind you I saw them on Destroyer-Rock the Nation tours (except Lick It Up, and Psycho Circus) they didn’t play here. I still think nothing topped the Reunion show after that.
@@MichaelBrandvoldit was also revealed that Patti Smiths husband played guitar in Blue Oyster Cult and Peter didn't play drums on the first Kiss record. So many revelations. I know you guys called him out on the Peter thing but he probably still thinks Peter didn't play on it.
@@superdown2009 He corrected himself regarding the Peter comment. Fans don’t remember, this guy is not a KISS fan, he isn’t going to even remember details as to what album came out when. This was a job. Once we pushed back on a number of things we cleared most things up.
@@MichaelBrandvold yep...i totally agree he's not a Kiss fan and wouldn't expect him to remember every little detail. Not that Peter playing drums is a little detail. For me, the Patto Smith thing stick with me more as he seemed to be a real fan of her but his recollectioms were off there. But, in the grand scheme of things none of it matters I guess...
With the incongruity in this gentleman's timelines and bafflingly making the claim Peter didnt play on the first album (which I think he suggests was Dressed To Kill), I would say that he's simply confusing Alive and Alive II. That's what makes the most sense given the wealth of information out there from the band themselves, producers, and other secondhand sources and this only being brought to light 48 years after the fact by a guy with a spotty memory.
The studio songs side of KISS Alive II Bob played some on it, but KISS Alive that's Ace and Paul playing all the guitar parts.
You didn’t listen did you?
I'm suprised Bob himself never brought this up. He had no problem in the past telling anyone who would listen what KISS albums and songs he appeared on. I find that very strange he never mentioned this even once. Ever.
I agree. Bruce does the same. They should ask Bruce if he ever heard about it.
“Joe D'Angelo - I was working with Bob Kulick to publish a book. I have 15 different chapters that he and I outlined including this story about him playing on Alive!”
@@MichaelBrandvold I wanna see it & What tracks He overdubbed on Alive 1 bad now then. Cause right now I'm with Mark when it comes to this whole thing honestly.
@@jaywilkinson525 go find out the details. Doesn’t change the fact this happened.
@@MichaelBrandvold Well that's gonna take some work then cause it hasn't publicly come out till today I'll just Google then fine wish Me luck.
I knew Bob personally we both live in Vegas he was in Vegas till he passed,I knew his gf Julie at the time she’s an amazing photographer and I hung out w him many times ,we would talk about our love for the Beatles,he loved working w Lemmy ,you never had to coax Bob to talk about kiss.
He loved talking about all his accomplishments and if he opened a can of soda at a kiss session he would say he was recorded opening a can of soda . He talked about every involvement he ever had w them and Paul Stanley and he never ever mentioned Alive and I would ask him about everything. So I don’t believe it for a second sorry.
Born & bred Queens kid here whose ears perked up at hearing an old school, authentic NYC accent .. really enjoyed this episode and laughed at Tom’s Taxi Driver reference- growing up in the late 70’s/early 80’s, taking the train to Times Square (and not getting ripped off, mugged, or worse) was considered a rite of passage..
Hey, I’ll give this guy a break about his memory, timelines, and recollections. Maybe he is right, maybe not. Memories get fuzzy over the years. For example, I have a strong memory of going to a show on the "Dress To Kill Tour" back in 1975 - it was Wildwood, New Jersey or maybe Davenport, Iowa...or it might have been Detroit or Cleveland?? Anyways, I was just hanging out backstage before the show, and right before the band hit the stage, Paul Stanley himself came walking towards me. I had a drink in my hand, and he asked: "Hey man, what do people like to drink around here?" I was drinking a Screwdriver, and since I really didn't know the local drink-of-choice, I said: "Well Paul, there's a lot of these people here tonight that like to drink vodka and orange juice" - Right before they kicked into "Cold Gin" that night, I was shocked when I heard Paul repeat the words I had told him! And even more shocked when KISS "Alive!" came out and there it was, ingrained in vinyl forever! I never looked for credit on the album or any kind of pat-on-the-back. Anyways, that's the way I remember it....I think....
😂 wow that’s pretty good!!
😂🍾🥤🥃🥂
Chief Broken Arrow,
Your once-in-a-lifetime experience, as you have mentioned here, gave me goosebumps! You know, the good ones that leave you all happy and excited!
Three thoughts:
1) How wonderful that it ever happened, to you!
2) How awesome that you've held on to that memory these many years! ...and
3) How much of a true fan you are to other fans, like me, to share your "Screwdriver" minutiae with Paul on this forum/TH-cam platform!
... Alex in Dallas Texas USA
I wanted to add a non-KISS related comment:
I find it interesting when people make comments like: "I didn't get the whole punk thing", "They weren't good musicians", or, as stated in this interview: "CBGB's was a dump". Well, those comments would indicate that you DID in fact "get the whole punk thing", as that was the very point of punk rock. Punk's primary statement was that you didn't need to be a musical prodigy to play rock and roll, and that Carnegie Hall wasn't the only venue to showcase rock and roll.
Yes, many punk artists were rudimentary in their musicianship - that was the point. Yes, CBGB's was a dump - that was the point. Recognizing these things is a firm indication that you truly understood the point of punk.
Good point!! I guess I did.
@@frankiedaugusta Great interview, Frankie! So great to hear your memories and perspectives. All the best!
@@brianca1970 Thanks Brianca!! It means a lot to me!!!
If this was true bob would have told the world a 1000s like he did over alive 2
If you consider the amount of albums kiss put out in a relatively short period of time, and their constant nonstop touring schedule, finishing touches to an album is so important. Bob Kulick was a go to guitarist for many artists. His guitar work on the Crimson idol is legendary. I don’t think anyone could’ve done it better and I read somewhere in an article Blackie said Bob’s fingers were bleeding by the time they were done . pure perfection. This piece of minutia about Bob on Alive is amazing to me. It makes me love this album even more.RIP Bob you are greatly missed.
what does it matter ... who really who plays on what ..a good song is a good song abad is a bad..
Bravo ... Well said !
@@MENFUSSMIKEyes Bob has passed.Did you read my comment?
@@MENFUSSMIKE respect your opinion. that’s the beauty of music we all feel differently, but love our bands.
What a great interview with Frankie. Great info about so many great music artists. Special stuff thanks to all of Three Sides of the Coin. Never ceases to amaze me.
Patti Smith’s connection to Blue Öyster Cult was through Allen Lanier (the band’s rhythm guitarist/keyboardist).
She and Allen were in a relationship before Patti met Fred ‘Sonic’ Smith.
Also, when you consider how much Kiss toured in 1975, and how tight the release deadline was for “Alive!”, it’s not at all surprising that Bob Kulick was brought in to punch in some guitars.
Patti co-wrote Baby Ice Dog, Career of Evil, Revenge of Vera Gemini, and Shooting Shark.Kind of funny that she's "priestess of punk" yet co-wrote BOC songs.
Patti Smith's involvement is why Fire of Unknown Origin is so great.
Interesting episode. Not sure how much weight i would put into Bob doing overdubs for Alive, definitely could have happened but Bob really liked talking about stuff he did in regards to Kiss. I dunno and the guy seemed to not know his Kiss history and even suggested Peter.didn't play drums on the debut? I figure 50 years on things become foggy and i am sure doing hundreds of sessions things get confused over the years. Cool conversations tho.
His memory is a lot better than all the people who weren’t there, have no evidence otherwise and still say it didn’t happen.
@@MichaelBrandvold Definitely not saying it didn't happen. Totally could have. I was just commenting that his facts on some common stuff were a little foggy but he isn't really a Kiss minutia guy and the Bob fact kinda came up randomly, so I don't think it is something he made up but I guess we will never know for sure. Maybe Bruce would have more info on this?
Eddie Kramer relied on Bob Kulick for various projects, the same way Bob Ezrin relied on Hunter/Wagner for various projects. Anytime there's an interview and they're going back 40-50 years there's going to be "senior moments". I'm big on fact checking but when they do these interviews, have to roll with it for entertainment value, and figure out for yourself through other interviews and conversations with people who were "in the room" where the truth lies.
He forget to say “ ll “ …. He meant Bob Kulick played guitar on the studio tracks on side D of KISS ALIVE ll
@@michaelkeller971 No he didn’t. If you bothered to listen, we asked that a couple times… he was quite sure it was Alive, especially since he didn’t work on Alive II.
Awesome episode once again Three Sides!! I have been a fan of the original lineup since '76 and Ace has always been my guy. Hearing this news didn't bother me in the least. I've heard many a musician talk about being an in demand studio /session player doing things just like this. Iam not going to lie, I was really surprised but it didn't upset me and it certainly hasn't changed my opinion of KISS Alive. It's my favorite live KISS album and I think one of the greatest live albums of all time!!
Another revelation from the KISS world exclusively discovered by Three Sides. As riveting and exhiliating as the lady who claimed Bill Aucoin said Kiss would be finished after the 77 tour. I'll echo what many others have already said in the comments and call BS on this. Bob was angry in the months leading up to his passing and would have yelled this to anyone who cared to listen to him if this was true.
Looks like the intro and outro were swapped, but no worry...I just forwarded to 1:42:11 to watch the intro, then will go back to 10:33 for the interview, and then to 0:32 for the outro. Putting this here so I can click on it later (and if anyone else wants to do the same)
No doubt, he did, according to himself, he was a LEGEND, may he RIP 🪦 in guitar heaven 🎸
Little bit of minutia is like say huge bunch of massiveness. Just bustin balls. Awesome episode!
Been a Kiss fan since 1975 & enjoy listening to "Three Sides Of The Coin"
Very interesting show. Sound engineer Frank D’Augusta is a good friend of mine and has been my sound engineer for my show Late Night with Johnny P 2009-2018 & currently Up Late with Johnny Potenza. Thank you for the plug Frankie 😎
Frankie is a cool guy!
Up Late With Johnny Potenza is a labor of love,thats been going on for over a decade!! Good friend,Great show xxx
The thing is with the studio side of Alive 2 tracks like Larger Than Life You can totally tell the difference between Bob & Ace's playing. So I'm damn near with Mark on this far as Bob being on Alive 1 as well unless He was really trying to sound like Ace as much as possible cause He didn't on Alive II.
Just subscribed! Loved this interview! It’s so cool how Frankie was able experience first hand their rise to stardom. Just Wow! The John Lennon story blew me away. You guys all rock !!!!
Alive 1 and 2 are great albums. I dont care if bob kulick played on it. But Alive 2 is a is my favorite of the 2
Bruce is saying it didn't happen. Wouldn't he know? Here's the thing tho. If Bob did play a note here and there, so what, the album was plenty touched up. You still missed the mark on Frampton comes alive being touched up and asking about Frampton equipment being used to touch up kiss alive. Would've liked to hear a bit more about Frampton because he said his live album was never touched up.
He is free to offer his opinion, but I believe the guy who did the recording.
@Michael Brandvold which is fine. But why not get into Frampton comes alive to see I it was touched up or if he knew kiss used his equipment? Both these would've been interesting to hear about. But he did have many things wrong. Pete didn't play on first record?? Mark had to correct him a few times on his timeline too.
@@ca3317 As far as "Frampton Comes Alive" goes, Peter's discussed that one ad nauseum, he said there was a mic crackle that needed to be cleaned up, and because a mic was placed further than it should, he had to overdub. Overdubs are just part of the post production decision making. I do wonder if Jack Douglas had to overdub Aerosmith "Live Bootleg" even though Perry and Tyler claimed they wanted to leave the mistakes in. I bet Jack would admit it now!!
Thanks for the shout-out Tommy! BTW, the outro is the intro and vice versa in this video.
Am I losing it or are the pieces of this video put out of order? It seems the video ends with the "you gotta watch this" and yet starts in the middle of the convo of what was revealed. :) Great stuff anyway, I watched it all.
My dad used that “hangers on” term so I still use it today. Love it. “Hangers on!”
Holy crap guys, this was amazing! What a maniac Frankie was! He casually mentions Stevie Wonder walked into the room with Mick like it's a normal everyday thing because it actually WAS for him, hanging out with John Lennon and Peter Frampton, Patti Smith, etc.. he was so deep in the trenches of rock history on such a high level, dude is a real treasure. Thanks for sharing his story. I think we need to see Frankie Eldorado back on stage at KISS Kruise this year!!!
Thanks Danny !!!
I'm from and still living in Davenport, Iowa. Two songs were recorded here at the RKO Orpheum Theater. This is explained on Wikipedia. On the song 'let me go, rock & roll' you can hear one of the band members yell 'come on, Quad Cities!' I was 13 when they played here. They were with Foghat.
I just watched an interview with Bruce who stated that his brother did not play on Alive. Bruce indicated that Bob was extremely proud of his contribution to "Kisstory" and would have absolutely acknowledged had he played even a single chorde on Alive. Moreover, Bruce stated that after Bob's sad passing, he went through volumes of Bob's documents, notes, journel entries and there was no mention whatsoever about any contribution to Alive. I cannot help but to think that you fellas have not listened to this interview. Big fan of your channel....don't always agree with your sentiments, but all in good fun. For my ears, Bob's playing on the song Nowhere To Hide is not only fantastic, but, also, one of my favorite Kiss songs ever. Again, thanks fellas for the premise of your channel....I always learn something new about Kiss, my first true live!
I am sticking with the engineer who was there and others who claim Bob told them he did.
@MichaelBrandvold I'm not trying to cause an argument or insinuate that I have any real idea....I just thought that that it was interesting that I happened to see this topic on your channel after just watching an interview with Bruce within the last couple of days. You certainly have infinitely more knowledge on the topic than I do....I enjoy watching your channel for the purpose of learning. Yall do a great job...I am a subscriber. I will say that many with whom leave comments seem to think they know more about the topics you discuss than you folks do. I have seen your responses to the know it alls...cracks me up. Keep up the great work brother!
Dick Wagner played on Sweet Pain on Destroyer & Same Old Song & Dance on Aerosmith Get Your Wings but Bob Ezrin is infamous for bringing in other guys to play on a track etc.
I don't think Bob wanted to make a big deal out of it at the time because it's only overdubs. Now if it was guitar solos that would of been a different story. It also states on the Unmasked album(Wiki) he did overdubs also and he never ever mentioned anything about that
Way cool interview, TSOTC!
Personally, I'm not a bit surprised or upset by hearing that Bob Kulick might have contributed some minor touch-ups to the "Alive" recordings. This happens all the time in recording, with artists at every level. When a producer is finishing tracks and mixing, they often discover bits in the tracks that need a touch-up, or an embellishment for the betterment of the entire track. If the artist themselves aren't around at that time, they'll go to the studio musicians, who are always qualified and at the ready and, almost unilaterally, go uncredited.
Even the Beatles did this - Geoff Emrick, who engineered most of the Beatles recording sessions, said that there were hundreds of musicians who added a flourish of sound here, an embellishment there, or an overdub. And they never were given credit on the album. It's part of the recording process.
What is TSOTC! an acronym of? Now that's a new one for me! Once I have the answer I will probably say to myself "Yea, of course it is! How could it not be?!🥴
...Alex in Dallas Texas USA
@@MyFriendsCallMeAlex “Three Sides Of The Coin”.
Of course I'm gonna go through Kiss Alive 1 & now be like is that Ace or Bob on that? Again You can tell the difference on Alive 2 the studio side easily.
I've wondered for a while! I read a quote from Peter Frampton a few years ago, and I cannot find it again. He said that Kiss "used his gear" to record an album, and I believe he was talking about "Alive." That sounds astounding to me, but can anyone confirm and add anything to this point? Wahi' Valleys
Addendum: I know it sounds odd because "Alive" came out 5 months prior to "Frampton Comes Alive." Wahi' Valleys
Great episode. Mark- “Shattered” is most likely a MXR phase 90 (VH 1) or EXH Smallstone. Personally it sounds like the EXH to me.
Keef himself has conflicting recollections over the years whether he used an EHX Small Stone or an MXR Phase 100, but yeah--either way it's definitely a phase pedal through a Mesa Boogie Mk I.
I believe it’s an MXR 100. I recall Keith Richards mentioning it in an old guitar player magazine
When I learned from Eddie Kramer that Kiss Alive 1 was only Peter's drums and Ace's guitar live at the shows. All the vocals were overdubbed along with Gene's bass and Paul's guitar, that is when I became a bigger fan of Kiss Alive 2.
It’s not a well kept secret that there was work done to Alive! Even Paul Stanley has admitted that, finally. Honestly, they never said WHO did the work, just that work was done.
Oh, there’s a new interview with Bruce Kulick, and he has NO paperwork proving that Bob played on “Alive!”.
But,…
Eddie Kramer and the band re-recorded approximately 70% of the album. The only thing they didn’t have to touch were Peter Criss’ drums, which were already pretty solid. Bass, vocals, and even lead guitar was touched up and fixed, all but seamlessly
wish they'd just let the engineer talk
C'mon Really. You all believe that ,??? Really ,???
Were you there, because he was.
I've been listening to 3 sides every week since Mitch was on the show. Never have missed an episode. Brandvold is a tool, and Mark has tasted Ketchep from around the world. I really want Bruce to play Tears Are Falling on December 2nd. 😮
Cool guy, but definitely a case of misremembering, which happens (with corrections) throughout the entire interview.
I think a bigger "revelation" than Bob possibly overdubbing some guitar on Alive! is Peter (according to Frankie...) did not play drums on the debut KISS album! 😆😅🤣
Look, here’s what I KNOW to be a fact and I WAS THERE personally. The lead playing ACE did is very consistent and not much improvisation - even in his early guitar solo spot. Look, watch and listen to early KISS live videos prior to 1976 and Ace is playing those leads and has that “alive tone” that turned all us early guitarists onto to KISS. Kulick may have punched in some of Paul Stanley’s guitar parts because if you listen to early KISS videos, at times, Stanley drops out on guitar because he’s doing crazy visual shit. Now, I believe that’s possible. But as far as playing Ace’s leads on ALIVE - I don’t believe it. Not for one second. But it is possible he punched in some of the rhythm guitar parts here and there when Stanley was jumping around and prancing and dancing. I saw KISS about 3 times before and during the ALIVE tour. Ace had that tone and played those leads captured on ALIVE. I was there and I heard it myself. I helped with the monitor mix on one of those concerts. When ALIVE came out I was surprised how accurately Ace’s tone was captured. Stanley, by comparison, during this period had a less powerful almost hollow and “tinny” tone live.
I'm In You is His worst Album cover tho which was coming off His cover photo on Rolling Stone magazine which didn't help cause it made Frampton this pretty boy etc. with the press and He got blasted for that. It's true Peter was absolutely saying yes to everything back then He admitted it on His Behind The Music.
Yes, it's entirely reasonable to take Frankie at his word. But it begs the question: He wasn't the only person in the studio for these alleged Kulick overdubs, so why has NO ONE in 40+ years of KIϟϟtory even hinted at the same bombshell, as plausible as it is? Me, I'll consider this allegation fully confirmed when I hear it from a second party, whether that's Eddie Kramer or another uncredited engineer. And that's in no way a slight against your guest or his credibility--I thought he was a fantastic interview & struck me as a down-to-earth guy. I love when you guys sit down with engineers and techs! Keep up the good work--I hope to see some of you later this year in Toronto, or in NYC when I finally get my MSG cherry popped!🤘🏻
Because it is only a bombshell to us, even to Frankie is wasn’t a big deal. Remember all these people working in the studio were not KISS fans, they were just working on another project. They would never give it a second thought.
@@MichaelBrandvold All I'm saying is, the subject of KIϟϟ and their uncredited session players has been so done to death by insiders over the years--in every form from fanzines & expo Q&As to in-depth high-profile interviews--that it's hard to believe Kramer, knowing our rabid love for this level of minutiae, would still be keeping mum on any detail of one of the biggest live albums in rock history. Harder still to accept that Kulick would take this particular secret to the grave.
I'm thinking the guest might just be getting his memories mixed up a little, it was almost fifty years ago that album was put together
If you believe he was in the studio and played one chord, you kids have been drinking pre-pod. I know this through my experience in the studio for 42 years. He was probably re-playing Paul’s parts.
In his last interviews Bob (RIP) was mentally so disturbed, hostile, not only against KISS but even against Bruce. He would have not only talked about ALIVE! he would've insisted and repeated again and again....I played on Alive! But he didn't.
Nope
And your evidence to say “nope” is what? Oh yeah, nothing.
Absolutely….Bob said nothing.
@@kkeenan5618 🤣
Kiss has admitted that things were added to Alive. So why would they have kept it a secret this long.
No idea, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Two sources now claim it is true.
The way your coming off is you are pissed I'll stop listening but you know bob kulicks a lead guitar player
And someone will see the title of the episode and won't even watch it and automatically think ace didnt
I’m won’t be pissed in the slightest if you stop listening. What you do is of zero importance to me. My life won’t change. So just please stop listening.
Interesting discussion!
Shattered = Phase shifter/Envelope
The "Kiss" engineering topic sort of begins around 30 minutes in. Wahi' Valleys
It's absolutely possible. Unless and until it's verified by a couple of other credible sources, it remains speculation and a claim.
How about this… a author who was working on a book with Bob said Bob discussed these stories in the books outline.
I always thought Kulick was introduced by Ezrin.
Nope.
Bob auditioned for KISS the exact same day as Ace
Just reading some of the comments and it seems as though many of you can’t imagine that your fantasy of Kiss has been shattered. This guy Frank has no reason to make this up . I looked him up he was quite a legend as far as engineering goes and has worked with the best of the best and would have no reason to make anything up. Quite frankly I don’t think he could care less for him this was just a job That he had to get done. Give the guy a break and the respect he so well deserves. We all love Kiss but some of you need to come off your kiss cloud and realize even the best of bands did what they needed to do to get the sound that they wanted whether it was them or someone else.
Fake news
No, but you are welcome to actually tell us why.
Anytime you can slam the old lineup you do it
Really, where did we slam the old lineup? You do realize the the old lineup is the KISS I fell in love with?
I love the show but it seems to me
You take pride when something comes out that ace or Peter didn't
Play every single note every band
Does it .we all knows tommy
And Eric are better players l don't
Have a problem with Eric singer
He has his own style but tommy
Does not l know I'm off subject
But that's my opinion .and like
You mike I've been a diehard
For 45 years keep up the good
Work but you do slam sec and Peter my name is Mackie Johnson
! Use my wife's device just to watch the show
@@kennajohnson6175 we have never taken pride in that, we are simply pointing out the facts, the reality. I know for some fans that isn’t something they can deal with because it destroys their fantasy. That isn’t our problem. We love all eras of KISS.
I don't have a fantasy I know
Band members come and
Go .it just seems people try
And downplay ace and Peter
And by the way if l had to choose
A lineup it would be ace and Eric
Singer like in 2001 don't take it
To heart I think you guys do a
Good job but really does it matter
What we think? But as a fan I feel
Like were all getting ripped off with the band the way it is now
@@kennajohnson6175 exactly how did we downplay Ace in this episode? We didn’t.
I doubt it. He is probably mixing things up with an alive II. Makes no sense. The band wasn’t fighting at that point. Why wouldn’t they each just do their own overdubs? Doesn’t sound right but who knows?
As for the keyboards on Unmasked, no one ever thought for one second that any of the band members played those parts. It was obvious a session player. No one knew who but we all knew it was someone else. No one had enough talent to play that.
Thanks for the John Lennon stories. My favorite ever
If you listen to the interview, did you?, we specifically asked him that and he isnt confused because he didn’t work on Alive II.
Delusional dribble.
Because you were there right?
Nope . You know aces sound and feel.
Nobody said Bob replaced Ace’s playing, actually IF you listened you would know Bob didn’t even play entire songs or even solos… he just dropped in a couples notes here and there. Notes you would never be able to tell who was playing. Try listening before you comment next time.
@@MichaelBrandvold heard it just not sure I'm buying it
Paul Stanley says it is not so...And it seems fishy that this piece of information surfacing after 48 years.
I think he's confused with Alive II.
If true….How would this be scandalous? kISS are the kings of literal smoke and mirrors and have had no problems tricking and cheating fans. Do you think Gene played on all those songs? How about live?
come on, there was no need whatsoever for bob kulick on alive and the only reason he was on 2 was bc af was flaking out. also peter was all the drums on 2 and shock me... ok maybe some cleaning up while they were on tour sounds plausible and bob prob wouldnt bother to brag about that.
Hey let's ask Bruce ...
In his last interviews Bob (RIP) was mentally so disturbed, hostile, not only against KISS but even against Bruce. About his contribution on ALIVE! he would have insisted and repeated again and again....But he didn't!
What he did (or not) must've been a banality. And Paul didn't even notice.
I remember stringing up the tapes that came in from LA marked "Daddy Long Legs" Who's coming in? Gene from Kiss? OK cool, The first thing I heard was the opening of Running With The Devil, Very cool. Van Halen ZERO, Dave Whittman, and Myself recorded and mixed along with Gene producing the vocals we did with David Lee and Eddie V, And of course, mixing!! ELS NY NY, I wanted to mention it? I was having a "Senior Moment" Lol th-cam.com/video/jXZnB2xJ26s/w-d-xo.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
Maybe he signed something and/or was paid hush money to secure the band's legacy live album?
I don't think so. Bob has told several podcast that he wasn't paid to shut up about ALIVE II, he just got his fee and kept quiet because he saw them as friends and wouldn't betray them. This is probably just mixed up memories.
Mark catching some Zzzzz’s...lol
Discover STUDIO unreleased
He probably did 2/3 of the whole album!!!
Do you guys have anything better to do than nit pick over a band that sounds rough live and will always have to doctor a live recording.period....
Do you have anything better to do than leave comments about a band you clearly have a problem with? Seems you are the bigger loser in this conversation.
No I'm a kiss fan to been to there show in 96 reunion St Louis Missouri was a good show but did the vocals sound great no did bob kulick appear no did you ever listen to the wicked Lester stuff? was in standard tuning or was it substandard? do know who really created the sound they had?
Sorry I was at the 96 Reunion show in St. Louis first section off the floor 8 rows up on Paul’s side and the sound was great! I remember saying to my wife I don’t need to see them again because this show can’t be topped. Mind you I saw them on Destroyer-Rock the Nation tours (except Lick It Up, and Psycho Circus) they didn’t play here. I still think nothing topped the Reunion show after that.
Who cares
Exactly who cares what you think.
YOU GUYS ARE TOTALY DELUDING YOURSELVES KULICK PLAYED ON A LOT OF STUFF !!!
We are deluding ourselves? How? We are not the ones upset that it has been revealed Bob played on Alive.
@@MichaelBrandvoldit was also revealed that Patti Smiths husband played guitar in Blue Oyster Cult and Peter didn't play drums on the first Kiss record. So many revelations. I know you guys called him out on the Peter thing but he probably still thinks Peter didn't play on it.
@@superdown2009 He corrected himself regarding the Peter comment. Fans don’t remember, this guy is not a KISS fan, he isn’t going to even remember details as to what album came out when. This was a job. Once we pushed back on a number of things we cleared most things up.
@@MichaelBrandvold yep...i totally agree he's not a Kiss fan and wouldn't expect him to remember every little detail. Not that Peter playing drums is a little detail. For me, the Patto Smith thing stick with me more as he seemed to be a real fan of her but his recollectioms were off there. But, in the grand scheme of things none of it matters I guess...
Looks like Rick is nothing more than a drive by troll.