I love that you don't bicker back and forth, you simply get your steak out and show the results. I never knew adding salt to the ice would help keep my cooler so much colder. Thanks for the great tip!
Good experiment clearly proving your point. In case you were wondering 1/4 cup salt in a 2 quart container will make a saline solution a close to average sea water (35 ppm salinity). You mix is a little saltier but not much. Sea water freezes at around 28.4 F, and I know first hand from working on boats in Alaska. Anyhow, the more salt you add the lower the freezing point gets, so your brine had to get a little below 28.4 F to freeze. That is why adding salt to a sidewalk causes the ice to melt. It lowers the freezing point of the ice by making it a salt brine.
The boss is right. My wife's medicine comes shipped in a styrofoam cooler , full of cold packs. The liquid in the packs is salt water and cellulose gum ,if it's good enough for medical supplies should be good for steaks And beers!
Already commented on FB but for the viewers here i've been using The Boss's salt water bottles since i've watched his video. They keep my fridge from running so much. Temp is on lowest setting and the thing hardly runs. Used them in a cooler as well. Couldn't be happier. Many thanks my friend. Great video demonstration. The proof's in the pudding. Take care.
I tried this last year for our 5 to 6 day camping trip. We came home with ice still in coolers and a couple of the salt ice bottles were still partially frozen. This works VERY well. Thank you for the info
Don Aks and science is just the theory of man. You atheist can't ever just shut up and let people believe how they want to. Nobody needs your 2 cents worth.
I had no idea there was a huge debate going on JC! Jeez Louise! Nice of you to take the time to make this video. Of course I took your word for it way back. Science is one thing but practical application is your specialty and I'll take the latter any day! Hugs for my sweet boy Frankie!
I end up with a lot of debates, regardless what I post. People just can't handle simplicity and try to complicate everything. Crazy world out there Terry :-o
Liquids transfer heat faster than solids. Saltwater is in a liquid state at a lower temp than regular water. Saltwater can be liquid at temps below 32F or 0C. That being said, it will cool products in a faster period of time, but not for a longer period of time.
Yeah but now you have a frozen bottle of salt water and a frozen steak in a cooler rather then bottle of frozen water and a unfrozen steak. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which steak is gonna last longer.
Right on! Much appreciate your wisdom! I have been a lineman for almost 34 years and am now traveling with camper and my wife was wanting a cooler to keep stuff cold. Today I am heading to get some of that aluminum bubble and aluminum tape and follow your suggestion about you salt water bottles. Thank you
I made a liner for my cooler last year. Used 4 of the salt water bottles along with a entire case of regular drinking water bottles that I froze to take food with me to Big Bend Texas in August. I had another cooler solely to hold drinks without the liner. I added a bag of ice at each stop for gas to the drink cooler. Also at each stop I placed a small amount of ice on top of the food cooler. After four days in west Texas in August my food was still cold and several of the bottled waters were still frozen. I am going again this year and I can honestly say that the other cooler will have a liner and that there will be a several of the salt water bottles at the bottom. If you do not think it works then so be it. It helped keep my food cold. I now use the salt water bottles in the insulated bags that i place refrigerated and frozen products from the store in for the return trip. I have used the cold packs that you buy at walmart and they do not perform near as well as the salt water.
Thank you for sharing your success report :-) I have gone out in my boat and had ice cream sandwiches stashed between 2 salt ice bottles and they were still frozen at lunchtime. YAY FOR SALT ICE :-))
I used that foil lined bubble wrap on our travel trailer windows...... helps A LOT!!! Had some left-overs but will line our cooler with that stuff. Thanks for videos!!
You are correct sir, the salt water freezes at a much lower temperature than the tap water so its solid logic that it is at a lower temp in a frozen state. But the kicker here is duration that it stays frozen. The tap water will stay frozen longer by about 3 times that of what the salt water will remain in a frozen state. So with that, one must decide, do they want a cooler to stay colder than frozen tap water for much much shorter time period? Or do they want a cooler to stay cold as frozen tap water for a much longer time? I'm sure everyone has their reasons for needing a cooler to be cold as some are hauling frozen goods from store to home(short trip/ time line) or going to the lake and want to get the most affordable efficient cold storage for the duration of their camping trip? Good video and thanks is for sharing
That is definitely the issue. The salt water thaws much faster leaving a cooler with no ice at all... Since pre chilling a cooler is the best way to ensure things stay frozen in it longer I use the salted freezer bottles to chill the cooler to its coldest point before loading it with frozen food and plain ice bottles.
you are extremly wrong!! question why do you think salt is used in making of ice cream? heres the answer . sodium clhoride does not i repeat does not melt ice. in fact it works opposite sodium clhoride aka salt will lower the temp of room tep water from lets say 74 degrees to around 40.. yeah now thats science an theres a big difference between sea salt an sodium salt.. sea salt has a natural component called iodide an sodium clhoride doesnt. THANK GOD I WAS RAISED ON A FARM AN HAVE COMMONSENSE.!!!!
I don't know much about ice cream but growing up in New England I know they use salt on the roads to PREVENT THEM from freezing, leading me to believe that salt water definitely thaws at a lower temperature than fresh water. You can't have it both ways my friend- salt water freezes at a lower temperature, thus having the potential to provide a colder cooler, but thaws at a lower temperature too, thus having a shorter lifespan inside that same cooler. There ya go.
Salt has a lower freezing temp yes... But just because it starts to thaw faster doesn't mean the temperature is higher... Let's say the salt water starts to thaw at 25 degrees vs the tap water 32, a 32 degree melted saltwater is still the same temp as the frozen tap water at 32..the point is that the saltwater starts your cooler at a cooler state. The salt on the roads help it to melt faster but the its still 'freezing'
Hi JC, I saw your first video on this subject, and that same day I filled 2 - 1 gal jugs with water and 1/2 cup of table salt each. I found it took a lot longer for it to freeze, but also, on the other side, it lasted a lot longer and seemed to keep things colder. Thank you for all your videos and your great advice. Take Care.
thebossoftheswamp Life of a farmer, dawn till dusk 7 days a week...and loving it, I just posted a uneventful elk hunt if you.re board and what to become more so :)
I like the salt water idea but now I won't have ice cold water to drink when I'm out in the middle of nowhere. Funny how there's always a give and take. Thanks Boss
Love it! Thanks for sharing. I'm a competion bbq cook and have been looking at new ways to keep my coolers colder for longer periods of time. Going to run my own experiments now. You've glt a new subscriber here.
This works really good for me and a bottle or two of salt ice will keep your regular ice frozen longer. Don't let anybody tell you any different. Cheers :-)
Good post, thanks! If I can add my 2¢, adding salt to the water makes the water denser. This increase in density decreases the temperature necessary to freeze the water (e.g., 28 instead of 32ºF) and increases the time to thaw the water. It's a similar concept to why we add antifreeze to the radiator of our vehicles. Glycol freezes at a much lower temperature (~10ºF) than water. Brilliant idea!
Nothing better than some fresh college grad thinking he knows everything about the world because he took a $6500 science class...then an old dog steps in showing him how the world works for free.
Isn’t that the truth. I’v been a registered nurse for over 12 years and have always said there isn’t anything scarier or worse than a new grad that thinks they know everything.
I am a recent grad. And I feel the opposite. I feel I have the world to learn. Sure, I am confident in some of the topics I really applied myself to. But I know enough to know that there is so much I don't know and must research on my own
@@spongebobbatteries Shut up green horn!! That made no sense and nobody with any talent in your industry doesn’t gives two fucks what you think. Show your comment to the boss tomorrow at 8am. Bet you don’t make till 5pm 😂 Ignorance is bliss youngster. Your ego is writing checks and the bank of life knows your credit score.
That's absolutely amazing what saltwater frozen water will do to your food when I move to my off-grid property I'm definitely going to use that method thanks a lot . I also like you're free freezer that's built into your house
Good stuff. Science is science. Don't need a long page of calculations to show salt ice stays cooler than regular ice. If it can be duplicated and reproduced...it's been proven.
Good job JC way to show them it works. Friend of ours used to do this to bring temperatures down faster not just for the beer but when he had to keep other things colder longer on his boat until he could get back to shore and refrigerate the days catch.
You are correct, sir. Railroads learned this years ago. Prior to mechanical refrigeration the railroads used reefer cars that had ice bunkers in them. When the cargo had to be kept frozen solid the railroads used ice loading with a generous helping of salt. Ultimately, mechanical reefers took over to eliminate the need for periodic reloading of the ice. There are also railroad cars that have used cryogenics. Anyway, the salt ice does work. Good presentation.
We are dealing with a phase change. When ice melts it absorbs heat until it melts. In a cooler your temperature will be stuck where this phase change occurs until all the ice has melted. When we add salt too the ice we change what temperature the phase change occurs at. Making it much lower. Soo in short yes it will make your cooler colder. BUT. I don't think it will make the cooler stay cold longer, given the same amount of ice is used. As XXXpds of ice, can still only absorb YYY amount of heat. If anything it should not last as long, as the phase change is occurring sooner requiring less energy (in the form of heat) too occur.
Guess they never made home made ice cream before. We would add rock salt to the ice to speed up the mixture freezing. My arm hurts just thinking about cranking that old machine. Those were the days!
The salt water ice project has been very helpful to me. And will be using it to transport my food from my home to my off grid. Holiday. Home. Thanks from Reg. In 🇮🇪
Ice is crystallized solid water. If the environment is -20 degrees Fahrenheit than the solid ice will be -20 degrees, the ice doesn't magically retain heat energy and stay at 32. If you alter the waters chemistry with something like salt or antifreeze and change its freezing point its still -20 degrees even if its in a liquid state. So yes the water with salt can be a liquid and be much colder than 32 degree Fahrenheit. Liquid water which envelopes an item is also more able to conduct heat than solid ice so it will cool things more effectively. The rate of warming is equivalent to regular ice because the specific heat capacity of the water doesn't change based on its state. That is to say it won't warm at a different rate, it may however absorb more heat from the environment more quickly due it its higher thermal conductivity.
i just heard ass cheeks flapping. now explain how the steak froze quicker under the saltwater bottle the the the one under the regular water bottle then, while in the same cooler?
The salt water has a lower melting point at which it returns to a liquid state, liquids form convective currents which allow for thermal dissipation across a larger medium while solids do not. Therefore the greater quantity of liquid in the salt bottle transferred more heat away from the steak than the solid ice was able to during the given period of time. The overall temperature of the material in the bottles is the same but the way in which the energy is absorbed is physically different. In physics this is known as entropy.
even a dummy like me can understand this one. LOL!! your first post laid out a few wrinkles in my gray matter. LOL!! and srry if i offended you in any way. it was not meant to.
Few things are not so clear here. @thebossoftheswamp claim that the salt water stay cold longer than the 'pure water' - when placed in the room temperature. I'd still consider that the heat capacity of salt water is higher than regular water (books.google.pl/books?id=GnNuBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=salt+water+ice+heat+capacity+kj&source=bl&ots=TXPF8Xnde7&sig=dO0pi6VNPwQNOJlkczfILrqBbVA&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9bnQxJHQAhUBCSwKHWgVCAMQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=salt%20water%20ice%20heat%20capacity%20kj&f=false) Though the idea of different freezing point is good!
No matter how you want to slice this _your freezer is the exact same temperature for all things in it._ One thing doesn't "get colder" than the other. At what temperature those things transfer their heat to their environment is an entirely different matter. Grab a solid frozen copper orb or one of plastic and you'll know exactly what I mean. Also, if this some how, magically and in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics, makes ice "colder" then wouldn't roads freeze when they put salt on them?
they put salt on roads because it lowers the freezing point of water. lower freezing point means it will stay water longer before it turns into ice. wet roads are more better than ice roads.
Great video JC. For some reason having the truth on your side doesn't matter much these days. It doesn't have to come from the backwoods .... what works is what works. Thank you so much for the inspiration to follow what I know is right, All my properties are up for sale. With some luck I will be looking for my patch of woods soon. God bless.
I'm sure your spot on there could be another reason for that too though ice making plants onshore are going to be right there where the boats tie up and if the more modern boats have ice making equipment on board where is the closest source of large amounts of water to be found.
Just bought a Yetiiii competitor, Lifetime made in the USA cooler at Walmart. Thought about adding salt and how to do it. You made my day. Looking forward to using your method. Thanks for posting.
Thanks again for the salt idea. I tried too much salt and would not freeze. I wish I had saw your how to make a regular cooler work better and saved 100 dollars.
Getting colder and lasting longer aren't the same thing. Each bottle of ice is going to absorb a certain amount of heat while it comes up to the temperature of its environment, and most significantly while it thaws. If they are both approximately the same mass, and both approximately the same temperature coming out of the freezer, the salt ice will start soaking up heat to go through the phase change at a much lower temperature, meaning it will bring its environment down in temperature more rapidly. With a lower melting point the salt ice will go through that phase change at a lower temperature and keep your food colder while it's still ice, but that colder temp means that heat is going to cross from the outside into the cooler at a faster rate and it won't take as long until the total heat absorptive power of the salt ice is consumed.
Lewis Conboy A cooler does not keep anything cold long enough that being kept frozen versus being kept cool matters. Regular ice can keep your food at ~33 f for days (if you pack enough ice and have a good cooler), salt ice can keep your food at ~16 f for less time. Neither can keep food cool or cold long enough for that temperature difference to matter.
Lewis Conboy You keep talking, yet you claimed not to want to argue. No, each person does not get their own facts and reality. Salt water ice does not last longer than freshwater ice lowered to the same temperature. Period. End of sentence.
Great video, Boss. And you are so correct. I'd not seen or heard of the steak test you performed but I am impressed. I tried the salt water in the juice jugs for my cooler while camping, and it stays frozen a lot longer as you said in previous videos. So thanks for that. One thing that is kind of related, is when I was a kid we'd make home made ice cream in the old hand crank ice cream makers. After the recipe was placed inside the canister, the snow or ice was added to the bucket, with rock salt. Then crank and make ice cream. Try that without the rock salt, and one can crank for what seems an eternity, and the end result is you may still not have any home made ice cream. Just slurried recipe in its canister. Chears my Friend! :-)
I don't think it's even possible to create ice cream without salting the ice. If I fill 2 coolers with cubes and throw salt over the cubes in one cooler, the temp in that cooler will plummet like crazy but they're still posting and saying salt ice is not colder. I can't argue with science. I quit :-/
OK, here's the deal. Salt Ice wins in every metric. But not by much. Why does it freeze things quicker? Because it is changing from solid to liquid sooner. This phase change, believe it or not, requires heat from the surrounding area. Overall the temperature inside the cooler is an average of all of the objects in there. Give it enough time and all objects will get to the same temperature. The Salt water wins overall because it has more thermal mass than just water ice. That average temperature of the whole cooler with salt ice, will be lower due to there being more mass. Not a big deal though. For short trips where you want to freeze something, salt ice is better. For a long trip where you just want to keep a drink cold, it doesn't really matter. Though here are two reasons to use fresh water. 1. You can drink it later if you need to. 2. Who wants a frozen steak? Thanks for the video!
Hey JC, Two things about freezing salt water to make food colder. 1. Home made ice cream is made frozen by using salt and regular ice to make brine. this in turn makes the ice colder and freezes the mixture freeze in ice cream freezer. I, know, I turned many ice cream freezers in my time. 2. How was ice made in the summertime when there was no freezing weather to freeze the water. Ice houses used rock salt and water mixture as a brine t freeze the water for people to use to keep their refrigerators cold in their homes. You are absolutely right, it woks great. Thanks for the video.
I've always said what people need the most is logic and common sense. You can get an 8yr degree and never gain either. Your backwoods logic series is excellent. Thanks Boss
High education and high income is great but just not needed for the lifestyle I chose to live. The proof is in the pudding and frozen pudding is frozen pudding :-)
Now let's see you do that same 'experiment' with some rigor. Freeze both bottles for 24 hours, put them in the cooler with the steaks for 24 hours and then stick a thermometer in each steak. They'll be the same temperature.
We were sold on the original video. Salt ice in a Yeti cooler at our camp lasts for 4 days in the summer. We just returned from the camp after 4 days and they are still frozen. Thanks for the Backwoods Logic. Ron.
Freezing point being lower does not necessarily mean that the ice is lower temp. Put both in zero degrees, and they both will come out at zero degrees, but the salt ice will melt faster and freeze everything next to it by sucking the heat from it as it melts.
You are using the same physics that people use when making ice cream in an old fashion ice cream machine using ice and rock salt. It's a method that is very old. Not many people know about it today. Great video.
Hey Boss, those educated scientists should chat with some fisherman.... They always use salt with the ice because it makes it colder, its something about any ice melt w/o salt is at or above 32 degrees. and with salt, the melt ice is much colder (depending on the mixture of salt to water/ice) it could be 28 degrees or less, this is possible because the salt changes the properties of crystal formation in water at any given temperature with salt present.
Hey there Boss - that was a great fun vid to prove that some things in life don't always have to be over complicated or over schooled . Some good back woods logic goes a long ways & that was a home run in my books - good one ,. Be safe - enjoy your fall weather there & happy huntin J C - best wishes always - have a grand day - kirk out for now : PS - how's Frankie doing
I'm sure the smart on-the-line Scientists will identify something you did wrong with your experiment as we're too simple to know what we're doing........common sense isn't so common anymore especially with academic elitists and that's just sad. Thanks for the laugh and the good logic too. By the way, I closed on my 8.5 acres of land in Wisconsin yesterday so domino #1 has fallen for my very own backwoods homestead, it feels good.
Thank you IronClad - it's really a great feeling to own a prime chunk of forested land as it's been in the works for a long time. Congrats on your progress a year ago too.
Thanks Boss - now total focus on a small, simple and smart place like your Backwoods Cabin to be started in the spring. I can't wait, I'm just following your guidance of one small baby step at a time and it's amazing what can be accomplished in a short amount of time. Cheers to you and Franklin.
Do you have a video on Getting Started: Basic of Homesteading or RV/Van Living off Grid? What are the essential items on a shopping list kinda thing...THANKS for the wisdom!
Ha! I love it!! That is why you put ice cream salt in a home made ice cream maker!!! Hell! If you didn't you'd be cranking on it until next week and the custard would still NEVER freeze!!! Thank you for sharing! Great video!!
Great video! I just started putting rock salt in my coolers when we go on the boat or camping or riding our side by sides and it makes a huge difference!
Haha...isn't that the same thing? I would think that because it has salt in it that it would have a colder freezing temp than regular water. Therefore it should be colder.
Absolutely right. Fishermen been using it for years. Both freezing and chillin . If you can't keep your live bait alive put in a watertight plastic bag and a ice water salt solution. Will preserve eye tint. (No haze) when it comes to big eyes in the big pond makes all the difference. Walking and wading a brook brings me as much joy as landing a 500lb tuna. Mother Nature at her best. Always handline makes for an even fight. Time for me to stop don't have the strength anymore. Not ready fo rod and reel. Denial on my end. lol. Keep going. May God watch over you.
It IS true. You are so right. I tried it and I am not sure why, but it does work. The only thing I can think of is that it's like when you make ice cream...that's why you have to add salt to the ice because it freezes the cream. Love it!!
Going to use my saltwater jugs this week up in NH .. May not need them the weather is going to be nice and cold there. great video keep up the great work. cheers
Makes sense to me, when I was young we made homemade ice cream by adding salt to the ice while churning to freeze the cream. Also, I have been adding bottles of water to my freezer to use up air space. If I put salt in those containers, will that help the efficiency of the freezer since they will be colder?
the first video was what got me hooked on your channel. it helped me when we where going camping. this follow up video just affirmed the previous! it it works it works... happy trails and give Franky good belly rub will ya!??! lol
I had done that simple experiment with my kids many many years ago.. kinda funny .. Backwoods logic indeed.. thanks for the flashback.. love the vid.. :)
in a sense you both were right. saltwater ice is as cold as water ice if we are talking about the temperature. both of them would be - 18-degree Celsius if you keep them both in the same freezer for a LONG ENOUGH TIME. but salt water ice would take more energy than the water ice to raise/drop 1 degree. so it would stay cold for longer when moving them into a room temp from -18 freezer. BUT --- saltwater ice also takes longer to reach -18 degree. so you need to leave them in the freezer for a longer time to reach -18. I really like your video, because you give me some good examples, please also accept your word "colder" has a different definition than some other people. so don't be pissed off. keep up the good work.
I don't get pissed off that easy lol... but I do find the salt ice debate pretty entertaining. When I travel for long periods of time, I pack my cooler with a good amount of frozen food. The salt ice keeps it frozen for a MUCH longer period of time. It thaws out quick with regular ice. Thanks for your input :-)
I'm with you and the proof in front of me. My experiences are the same as your's. I think of the bottle as a lower temperature mass, not as ice. Only my colder deep freezer will freeze them solid. I to have frozen steaks and even slushed beer in a well packed cooler. Thanks for the Vid. Good luck in the woods this season.
I agree with you Boss. who cares about the science of it. it works and that's what matters. stick to what works and life is easier. The easier life is the more there is too enjoy. Be well andstay safe friend.
I made your salt ice just like you instructed. I also lined my cooler with the foil bubble wrap insulation. It works GREAT! I figured if it worked for you, it would work for me. Thanks
The problem with Teacher's/Scientist or just plain educators is they always think they are the smartest person in the room ! They need to stop talking and start listening then they will get educated ! Great video as always Bossman !
I'm fine with science and education when it's put to good use but so often it is not. I'm getting hoards of scientific data explaining why the salt is not colder and that salt ice pulls the heat from the steak faster than clear ice. OK... then explain to my why a cooler full of salt ice will be a shitload colder than one with clear ice. My video was titled "How to make your cooler stay cooler" and I showed how. My goodness now wonder why I drink :-o
Another AWESOME vid JC! We've been using the salt water ice since we first watched your "how to keep your cooler cooler" vid And we love it! It works out awesome at our off grid camp! Thanks for sharing!
My father was the president of Arkansas Agricultural Aviation Association of America. We had the biggest crushed ice machine you could buy at the time. I would put the cooler full of ice and beer and then put salt on it and it would only take 15 minutes before it was ice cold. It wold never freeze, but it would melt the ice. No problem after that, but it is the fast way to get something very cold. I now live in Mississippi and I am a subscriber.
I was looking for info on this and WOW you nailed it man! Just took my ice bottle out of the freezer to thaw to add salt. Couple tips fill the bottle then squeeze out the air and put the lid on while squeezing it. And get a LED bulb for that freezer produces alot less heat and uses less power look on ebay for Topin LED they sell them as 7W but they are 3.7W!
I love that you don't bicker back and forth, you simply get your steak out and show the results. I never knew adding salt to the ice would help keep my cooler so much colder. Thanks for the great tip!
Good experiment clearly proving your point. In case you were wondering 1/4 cup salt in a 2 quart container will make a saline solution a close to average sea water (35 ppm salinity). You mix is a little saltier but not much. Sea water freezes at around 28.4 F, and I know first hand from working on boats in Alaska. Anyhow, the more salt you add the lower the freezing point gets, so your brine had to get a little below 28.4 F to freeze. That is why adding salt to a sidewalk causes the ice to melt. It lowers the freezing point of the ice by making it a salt brine.
The boss is right. My wife's medicine comes shipped in a styrofoam cooler , full of cold packs. The liquid in the packs is salt water and cellulose gum ,if it's good enough for medical supplies should be good for steaks And beers!
Already commented on FB but for the viewers here i've been using The Boss's salt water bottles since i've watched his video. They keep my fridge from running so much. Temp is on lowest setting and the thing hardly runs. Used them in a cooler as well. Couldn't be happier. Many thanks my friend. Great video demonstration. The proof's in the pudding. Take care.
Good thinking buddy. Keep on keepin on :-)
I tried this last year for our 5 to 6 day camping trip. We came home with ice still in coolers and a couple of the salt ice bottles were still partially frozen. This works VERY well. Thank you for the info
YEP! Seeing is believing! Thanks Boss for the good backwoods logic! ✔️👍
I'm no scientist either but I know those to steaks and a couple brown ales around a fire sound awesome! Cheers boss. 🍻
That's what I'm talkin about :-)
Another GREAT show! I know why it works by the way but who cares as long as it works. GOD Bless.
Don Aks and science is just the theory of man. You atheist can't ever just shut up and let people believe how they want to. Nobody needs your 2 cents worth.
Please don't have this argument here
LOL Define existence Mr. Scientist.
Thank you and blessings to you as well.
I love this and I totally believe this because I have done this with brine and it is amazing!
It freezes everything in my cooler but yet it's no colder than clear ice. Amazing indeed :-))
I had no idea there was a huge debate going on JC! Jeez Louise! Nice of you to take the time to make this video. Of course I took your word for it way back. Science is one thing but practical application is your specialty and I'll take the latter any day! Hugs for my sweet boy Frankie!
I end up with a lot of debates, regardless what I post. People just can't handle simplicity and try to complicate everything. Crazy world out there Terry :-o
Liquids transfer heat faster than solids. Saltwater is in a liquid state at a lower temp than regular water. Saltwater can be liquid at temps below 32F or 0C. That being said, it will cool products in a faster period of time, but not for a longer period of time.
One steak froze and one didn't. WHO CARES WHY? Everybody paying attention? Don you're too much man :-D
Yeah but now you have a frozen bottle of salt water and a frozen steak in a cooler rather then bottle of frozen water and a unfrozen steak. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which steak is gonna last longer.
Why wouldn’t you freeze both steaks first and see which one lasted longer? That’s the test, not to see which one freezes first.
Right on! Much appreciate your wisdom! I have been a lineman for almost 34 years and am now traveling with camper and my wife was wanting a cooler to keep stuff cold. Today I am heading to get some of that aluminum bubble and aluminum tape and follow your suggestion about you salt water bottles. Thank you
You won't regret it. Happy Trails :-))
you made me chuckle at this one.
I laughed my way through it :-)
I saw that I started too when you were explaining the video and why yo were doing it.
Kinda reminded me of the old "Red Green Show". Good vid!
Hell yes thumbs-up for some good old backwoods logic...yessir!
Good for you. I will be doing salt water in my coolers from now on. Thanks Boss.
What a GREAT show of the evidence!!!!! NICE, BOSS! I GOT GO TO TRY IT!
Thank you :-)
I made a liner for my cooler last year. Used 4 of the salt water bottles along with a entire case of regular drinking water bottles that I froze to take food with me to Big Bend Texas in August. I had another cooler solely to hold drinks without the liner. I added a bag of ice at each stop for gas to the drink cooler. Also at each stop I placed a small amount of ice on top of the food cooler. After four days in west Texas in August my food was still cold and several of the bottled waters were still frozen. I am going again this year and I can honestly say that the other cooler will have a liner and that there will be a several of the salt water bottles at the bottom. If you do not think it works then so be it. It helped keep my food cold. I now use the salt water bottles in the insulated bags that i place refrigerated and frozen products from the store in for the return trip. I have used the cold packs that you buy at walmart and they do not perform near as well as the salt water.
Thank you for sharing your success report :-) I have gone out in my boat and had ice cream sandwiches stashed between 2 salt ice bottles and they were still frozen at lunchtime. YAY FOR SALT ICE :-))
I used that foil lined bubble wrap on our travel trailer windows...... helps A LOT!!! Had some left-overs but will line our cooler with that stuff. Thanks for videos!!
Many uses for this stuff :-)
You are correct sir, the salt water freezes at a much lower temperature than the tap water so its solid logic that it is at a lower temp in a frozen state. But the kicker here is duration that it stays frozen. The tap water will stay frozen longer by about 3 times that of what the salt water will remain in a frozen state. So with that, one must decide, do they want a cooler to stay colder than frozen tap water for much much shorter time period? Or do they want a cooler to stay cold as frozen tap water for a much longer time? I'm sure everyone has their reasons for needing a cooler to be cold as some are hauling frozen goods from store to home(short trip/ time line) or going to the lake and want to get the most affordable efficient cold storage for the duration of their camping trip?
Good video and thanks is for sharing
the best choice is to have both and to load the cooler with cold items so there is less thermal transfer warming up the cooler
That is definitely the issue. The salt water thaws much faster leaving a cooler with no ice at all... Since pre chilling a cooler is the best way to ensure things stay frozen in it longer I use the salted freezer bottles to chill the cooler to its coldest point before loading it with frozen food and plain ice bottles.
you are extremly wrong!! question why do you think salt is used in making of ice cream? heres the answer . sodium clhoride does not i repeat does not melt ice. in fact it works opposite sodium clhoride aka salt will lower the temp of room tep water from lets say 74 degrees to around 40.. yeah now thats science an theres a big difference between sea salt an sodium salt.. sea salt has a natural component called iodide an sodium clhoride doesnt. THANK GOD I WAS RAISED ON A FARM AN HAVE COMMONSENSE.!!!!
I don't know much about ice cream but growing up in New England I know they use salt on the roads to PREVENT THEM from freezing, leading me to believe that salt water definitely thaws at a lower temperature than fresh water. You can't have it both ways my friend- salt water freezes at a lower temperature, thus having the potential to provide a colder cooler, but thaws at a lower temperature too, thus having a shorter lifespan inside that same cooler. There ya go.
Salt has a lower freezing temp yes... But just because it starts to thaw faster doesn't mean the temperature is higher... Let's say the salt water starts to thaw at 25 degrees vs the tap water 32, a 32 degree melted saltwater is still the same temp as the frozen tap water at 32..the point is that the saltwater starts your cooler at a cooler state. The salt on the roads help it to melt faster but the its still 'freezing'
Hi JC, I saw your first video on this subject, and that same day I filled 2 - 1 gal jugs with water and 1/2 cup of table salt each. I found it took a lot longer for it to freeze, but also, on the other side, it lasted a lot longer and seemed to keep things colder. Thank you for all your videos and your great advice. Take Care.
Glad you enjoy them and thank you for saying so.
That's why your the Boss !!!
Interesting test , I just learned something new. Thank you Boss
Me, too, Bryan.
Don't try this at home haha
LOL!!!! You bet I'm going to!
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It's so nice to have so many experts to help us out :) nice looking NY's too
Good to hear from you buddy. Haven't seen you posting in a long time.
thebossoftheswamp Life of a farmer, dawn till dusk 7 days a week...and loving it, I just posted a uneventful elk hunt if you.re board and what to become more so :)
I'll go find it. Funny I didn't get any notification of your posting. Cheers :-)
I like the salt water idea but now I won't have ice cold water to drink when I'm out in the middle of nowhere. Funny how there's always a give and take. Thanks Boss
Pros and cons to everything :-)
I don't like to drink water out of plastic bottles anyway. As the plastic freezes and thaws, some of the plastic chemicals get into the water.
Love it! Thanks for sharing. I'm a competion bbq cook and have been looking at new ways to keep my coolers colder for longer periods of time. Going to run my own experiments now. You've glt a new subscriber here.
This works really good for me and a bottle or two of salt ice will keep your regular ice frozen longer. Don't let anybody tell you any different. Cheers :-)
That is the best backwoods logic I have seen yet. You the tell em Boss
LOL :-)
Wow. I’m impressed. I’m doing this now with my cooler. 👍👍👍
Good post, thanks! If I can add my 2¢, adding salt to the water makes the water denser. This increase in density decreases the temperature necessary to freeze the water (e.g., 28 instead of 32ºF) and increases the time to thaw the water. It's a similar concept to why we add antifreeze to the radiator of our vehicles. Glycol freezes at a much lower temperature (~10ºF) than water. Brilliant idea!
I used to trail ride a lot. We always had rock salt for the saddlebags and the coolers. It works! I like your bottles.
Salt ice is awesome :-)
Nothing better than some fresh college grad thinking he knows everything about the world because he took a $6500 science class...then an old dog steps in showing him how the world works for free.
Isn’t that the truth. I’v been a registered nurse for over 12 years and have always said there isn’t anything scarier or worse than a new grad that thinks they know everything.
@@alanj7306 🙏
@@alanj7306 It really cuts both ways... Plenty of "experienced" people out there that think they know everything.
I am a recent grad. And I feel the opposite. I feel I have the world to learn. Sure, I am confident in some of the topics I really applied myself to. But I know enough to know that there is so much I don't know and must research on my own
@@spongebobbatteries Shut up green horn!! That made no sense and nobody with any talent in your industry doesn’t gives two fucks what you think. Show your comment to the boss tomorrow at 8am. Bet you don’t make till 5pm 😂 Ignorance is bliss youngster. Your ego is writing checks and the bank of life knows your credit score.
That's absolutely amazing what saltwater frozen water will do to your food when I move to my off-grid property I'm definitely going to use that method thanks a lot . I also like you're free freezer that's built into your house
Thank you.
Good stuff.
Science is science. Don't need a long page of calculations to show salt ice stays cooler than regular ice.
If it can be duplicated and reproduced...it's been proven.
Apparently those fools have never made ice cream!
Thanks, I was looking for ways to keep some sports pops frozen for working outside in the heat. Think this will work.
I thought everyone knew to put rock salt in with ice to get things chilled faster. Sure works for getting a keg cold in a trashcan full of ice. LOL.
And rock salt is what is used to make homemade ice cream😊
Yaaaaaaaaaa. Always puts a smile on my face. Lol. We flash freeze our bait in salt brine. For salt water inshore fishing here on southern Cali.
I bet you can flash freeze diddly squat with regular ice haha
Its not what you know, its what you know works!
Cheers!
...and works well :-))
Yes
Good job JC way to show them it works. Friend of ours used to do this to bring temperatures down faster not just for the beer but when he had to keep other things colder longer on his boat until he could get back to shore and refrigerate the days catch.
It just plain works and works well regardless of the science behind it.
Direct experience, observation and experimentation ALWAYS trumps book knowledge and I DO have a science degree.
That's how I know the earth is flat.
Truth with the science 😂 with the flat earth.
@@turtlewalzer The ancient Greeks knew the world was round through direct experimentation and observation. Look up their methods.
You are correct, sir. Railroads learned this years ago. Prior to mechanical refrigeration the railroads used reefer cars that had ice bunkers in them. When the cargo had to be kept frozen solid the railroads used ice loading with a generous helping of salt. Ultimately, mechanical reefers took over to eliminate the need for periodic reloading of the ice. There are also railroad cars that have used cryogenics. Anyway, the salt ice does work. Good presentation.
We are dealing with a phase change.
When ice melts it absorbs heat until it melts. In a cooler your temperature will be stuck where this phase change occurs until all the ice has melted.
When we add salt too the ice we change what temperature the phase change occurs at. Making it much lower.
Soo in short yes it will make your cooler colder.
BUT. I don't think it will make the cooler stay cold longer, given the same amount of ice is used. As XXXpds of ice, can still only absorb YYY amount of heat. If anything it should not last as long, as the phase change is occurring sooner requiring less energy (in the form of heat) too occur.
Whatever is happening it's doing my cooler good :-))
Gonna try rock salt in my yeti
This guy gets it.
I’m no rocket surgeon, but you sir have some good backwoods logic!!!!
Guess they never made home made ice cream before. We would add rock salt to the ice to speed up the mixture freezing. My arm hurts just thinking about cranking that old machine. Those were the days!
Those were the days for sure.
Best ice cream ever though!
That's not why your arm hurts...
Excellent demonstration, thanks and thumb up.
Thank you
Way to go JC! What a GREAT show of the evidence! I loved that!!! I'm taking YOUR advice...to heck with all the nay-sayers!
The salt water ice project has been very helpful to me. And will be using it to transport my food from my home to my off grid. Holiday. Home. Thanks from Reg. In 🇮🇪
Ice is crystallized solid water. If the environment is -20 degrees Fahrenheit than the solid ice will be -20 degrees, the ice doesn't magically retain heat energy and stay at 32. If you alter the waters chemistry with something like salt or antifreeze and change its freezing point its still -20 degrees even if its in a liquid state. So yes the water with salt can be a liquid and be much colder than 32 degree Fahrenheit. Liquid water which envelopes an item is also more able to conduct heat than solid ice so it will cool things more effectively. The rate of warming is equivalent to regular ice because the specific heat capacity of the water doesn't change based on its state. That is to say it won't warm at a different rate, it may however absorb more heat from the environment more quickly due it its higher thermal conductivity.
I'm getting a brain freeze on this one!
i just heard ass cheeks flapping. now explain how the steak froze quicker under the saltwater bottle the the the one under the regular water bottle then, while in the same cooler?
The salt water has a lower melting point at which it returns to a liquid state, liquids form convective currents which allow for thermal dissipation across a larger medium while solids do not. Therefore the greater quantity of liquid in the salt bottle transferred more heat away from the steak than the solid ice was able to during the given period of time. The overall temperature of the material in the bottles is the same but the way in which the energy is absorbed is physically different. In physics this is known as entropy.
even a dummy like me can understand this one. LOL!! your first post laid out a few wrinkles in my gray matter. LOL!!
and srry if i offended you in any way. it was not meant to.
Few things are not so clear here. @thebossoftheswamp claim that the salt water stay cold longer than the 'pure water' - when placed in the room temperature.
I'd still consider that the heat capacity of salt water is higher than regular water (books.google.pl/books?id=GnNuBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=salt+water+ice+heat+capacity+kj&source=bl&ots=TXPF8Xnde7&sig=dO0pi6VNPwQNOJlkczfILrqBbVA&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9bnQxJHQAhUBCSwKHWgVCAMQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=salt%20water%20ice%20heat%20capacity%20kj&f=false)
Though the idea of different freezing point is good!
you are amazing for all this info that i did not know about. Thank you so much
Happy to help!
No matter how you want to slice this _your freezer is the exact same temperature for all things in it._ One thing doesn't "get colder" than the other. At what temperature those things transfer their heat to their environment is an entirely different matter. Grab a solid frozen copper orb or one of plastic and you'll know exactly what I mean.
Also, if this some how, magically and in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics, makes ice "colder" then wouldn't roads freeze when they put salt on them?
they put salt on roads because it lowers the freezing point of water. lower freezing point means it will stay water longer before it turns into ice. wet roads are more better than ice roads.
Great video JC. For some reason having the truth on your side doesn't matter much these days. It doesn't have to come from the backwoods .... what works is what works. Thank you so much for the inspiration to follow what I know is right, All my properties are up for sale. With some luck I will be looking for my patch of woods soon. God bless.
Best of luck with your plans my friend. Live on :-)
Looks like the salt water takes it. Love it. :) Great tip. Thanks.
Salt water wins :-)
JC 's experiment works very well, I have done it. Good video boss. Thank for sharing. Greeting from Puerto Rico.
Greetings back at ya :-)
God bless you ! :-)
The offshore fisherman in my area have always used salt water ice to really put the deep freeze on their catch.
I'm sure your spot on there could be another reason for that too though ice making plants onshore are going to be right there where the boats tie up and if the more modern boats have ice making equipment on board where is the closest source of large amounts of water to be found.
It works awesome. Just plain awesome :-)
Just bought a Yetiiii competitor, Lifetime made in the USA cooler at Walmart.
Thought about adding salt and how to do it.
You made my day. Looking forward to using your method.
Thanks for posting.
Why not use a thermometer????????
Thermometer would be good to but he are ready proved it with the meat
Thanks again for the salt idea. I tried too much salt and would not freeze. I wish I had saw your how to make a regular cooler work better and saved 100 dollars.
The foil lined coolers work great.
Getting colder and lasting longer aren't the same thing.
Each bottle of ice is going to absorb a certain amount of heat while it comes up to the temperature of its environment, and most significantly while it thaws. If they are both approximately the same mass, and both approximately the same temperature coming out of the freezer, the salt ice will start soaking up heat to go through the phase change at a much lower temperature, meaning it will bring its environment down in temperature more rapidly. With a lower melting point the salt ice will go through that phase change at a lower temperature and keep your food colder while it's still ice, but that colder temp means that heat is going to cross from the outside into the cooler at a faster rate and it won't take as long until the total heat absorptive power of the salt ice is consumed.
Can we just agree that the salt ice froze the steak and the normal ice didnt, no need for further debate
Because some people may want to keep there food frozen to make the food last longer? no? (not arguing btw)
Lewis Conboy A cooler does not keep anything cold long enough that being kept frozen versus being kept cool matters. Regular ice can keep your food at ~33 f for days (if you pack enough ice and have a good cooler), salt ice can keep your food at ~16 f for less time. Neither can keep food cool or cold long enough for that temperature difference to matter.
regardless, i will just say to each there own :)
Lewis Conboy You keep talking, yet you claimed not to want to argue. No, each person does not get their own facts and reality. Salt water ice does not last longer than freshwater ice lowered to the same temperature. Period. End of sentence.
Great video, Boss. And you are so correct. I'd not seen or heard of the steak test you performed but I am impressed. I tried the salt water in the juice jugs for my cooler while camping, and it stays frozen a lot longer as you said in previous videos. So thanks for that.
One thing that is kind of related, is when I was a kid we'd make home made ice cream in the old hand crank ice cream makers. After the recipe was placed inside the canister, the snow or ice was added to the bucket, with rock salt. Then crank and make ice cream. Try that without the rock salt, and one can crank for what seems an eternity, and the end result is you may still not have any home made ice cream. Just slurried recipe in its canister. Chears my Friend! :-)
I don't think it's even possible to create ice cream without salting the ice. If I fill 2 coolers with cubes and throw salt over the cubes in one cooler, the temp in that cooler will plummet like crazy but they're still posting and saying salt ice is not colder. I can't argue with science. I quit :-/
OK, here's the deal. Salt Ice wins in every metric. But not by much. Why does it freeze things quicker? Because it is changing from solid to liquid sooner. This phase change, believe it or not, requires heat from the surrounding area. Overall the temperature inside the cooler is an average of all of the objects in there. Give it enough time and all objects will get to the same temperature. The Salt water wins overall because it has more thermal mass than just water ice. That average temperature of the whole cooler with salt ice, will be lower due to there being more mass. Not a big deal though. For short trips where you want to freeze something, salt ice is better. For a long trip where you just want to keep a drink cold, it doesn't really matter. Though here are two reasons to use fresh water. 1. You can drink it later if you need to. 2. Who wants a frozen steak?
Thanks for the video!
Exploring Jeeps easy! Use freeze gatorade or powerade, both are salt drinks ;)
true. Question... would the regular ice then last longer? The salt ice melts more quickly. So for more immediate results, you can use the salt ice.
Hey JC, Two things about freezing salt water to make food colder. 1. Home made ice cream is made frozen by using salt and regular ice to make brine. this in turn makes the ice colder and freezes the mixture freeze in ice cream freezer. I, know, I turned many ice cream freezers in my time. 2. How was ice made in the summertime when there was no freezing weather to freeze the water. Ice houses used rock salt and water mixture as a brine t freeze the water for people to use to keep their refrigerators cold in their homes. You are absolutely right, it woks great. Thanks for the video.
Lots of comments about ice cream and now I want some haha
Boss that salt ice might be colder but it tastes terrible in my Jamisons!😝
LOL :-)
I've always said what people need the most is logic and common sense. You can get an 8yr degree and never gain either. Your backwoods logic series is excellent. Thanks Boss
High education and high income is great but just not needed for the lifestyle I chose to live. The proof is in the pudding and frozen pudding is frozen pudding :-)
Problem is=I can't drink frozen beer...
Sure ya can. Just let it thaw a bit and you got an a man slushie
EXACTLY RIGHT!! don't need science, if you can use your own senses! ive seen it proven with a digital thermometer too, but I LOVE THIS THANKS
Now let's see you do that same 'experiment' with some rigor. Freeze both bottles for 24 hours, put them in the cooler with the steaks for 24 hours and then stick a thermometer in each steak. They'll be the same temperature.
More ice experiments coming soon :-)
Good video! We used ice cream salt as a kid down here in the South to make the ice work better to freeze ice cream in an ice cream churn!
Couldn't make it without the salt :-)
"i'm not a scientist here"
2 seconds later...
"i'm gonna do a little experiment here"
We were sold on the original video. Salt ice in a Yeti cooler at our camp lasts for 4 days in the summer. We just returned from the camp after 4 days and they are still frozen. Thanks for the Backwoods Logic. Ron.
The salt ice is amazing stuff :-))
salt ice is the 0 degrees farenheit scale...Regular ice is 32 degree farenheit
regular ice is 0 degree celcius scale...salt ice is -17 celcius
Freezing point being lower does not necessarily mean that the ice is lower temp. Put both in zero degrees, and they both will come out at zero degrees, but the salt ice will melt faster and freeze everything next to it by sucking the heat from it as it melts.
yeah, Im saying how salt ice is a lower temp, not freezing temp, how it actually is a lower temp than regular ice
You are using the same physics that people use when making ice cream in an old fashion ice cream machine using ice and rock salt. It's a method that is very old. Not many people know about it today. Great video.
Agreed. Some old time principles offer the best results :-)
Hey Boss, those educated scientists should chat with some fisherman.... They always use salt with the ice because it makes it colder, its something about any ice melt w/o salt is at or above 32 degrees. and with salt, the melt ice is much colder (depending on the mixture of salt to water/ice) it could be 28 degrees or less, this is possible because the salt changes the properties of crystal formation in water at any given temperature with salt present.
Agreed :-)
Hey there Boss - that was a great fun vid to prove that some things in life don't always have to be over complicated or over schooled . Some good back woods logic goes a long ways & that was a home run in my books - good one ,. Be safe - enjoy your fall weather there & happy huntin J C - best wishes always - have a grand day - kirk out for now : PS - how's Frankie doing
Science can explain it in technical terms but who cares? frozen is frozen and I'm sold on that. Cheers buddy.
I'm sure the smart on-the-line Scientists will identify something you did wrong with your experiment as we're too simple to know what we're doing........common sense isn't so common anymore especially with academic elitists and that's just sad. Thanks for the laugh and the good logic too. By the way, I closed on my 8.5 acres of land in Wisconsin yesterday so domino #1 has fallen for my very own backwoods homestead, it feels good.
Awesome !! Congrats on the property purchase !! That domino fell for me in September of last year. Hope everything goes well in your endeavor !!
Congrats my friend. Fulfill those dreams one Domino at a time :-))
Thank you IronClad - it's really a great feeling to own a prime chunk of forested land as it's been in the works for a long time. Congrats on your progress a year ago too.
Thanks Boss - now total focus on a small, simple and smart place like your Backwoods Cabin to be started in the spring. I can't wait, I'm just following your guidance of one small baby step at a time and it's amazing what can be accomplished in a short amount of time. Cheers to you and Franklin.
Outstanding experiment.. thank you sir
Do you have a video on Getting Started: Basic of Homesteading or RV/Van Living off Grid? What are the essential items on a shopping list kinda thing...THANKS for the wisdom!
I don;t but thanks for the suggestion.
Ha! I love it!! That is why you put ice cream salt in a home made ice cream maker!!! Hell! If you didn't you'd be cranking on it until next week and the custard would still NEVER freeze!!! Thank you for sharing! Great video!!
Looks like the verdict is in. I've been using salt ice bottles for a couple years now. Love them. Thx JC
Salt ice wins :-))
Great video! I just started putting rock salt in my coolers when we go on the boat or camping or riding our side by sides and it makes a huge difference!
Makes perfect sense to me too.
That's some good backwoods logic. Cheers till the next one!
But it's not that the ice is colder, it's because it pulled more heat out of the steak... so I'm told :-/
Haha...isn't that the same thing?
I would think that because it has salt in it that it would have a colder freezing temp than regular water. Therefore it should be colder.
Absolutely right. Fishermen been using it for years.
Both freezing and chillin . If you can't keep your live bait alive put in a watertight plastic bag and a ice water salt solution. Will preserve eye tint. (No haze) when it comes to big eyes in the big pond makes all the difference. Walking and wading a brook brings me as much joy as landing a 500lb tuna. Mother Nature at her best.
Always handline makes for an even fight. Time for me to stop don't have the strength anymore. Not ready fo rod and reel. Denial on my end. lol. Keep going. May God watch over you.
Blessings to you as well Bill :-)
It IS true. You are so right. I tried it and I am not sure why, but it does work. The only thing I can think of is that it's like when you make ice cream...that's why you have to add salt to the ice because it freezes the cream. Love it!!
It works and I don't care why. Life is what you make of it and I make salt ice lol :-)
Gracias por compartir sus vídeos muy buenos bendiciones
I'll have to use this next time I'm camping...thanks JC!
Just keep your eggs and veggies away from the bottles or they'll be frozen solid. Cheers :-)
thebossoftheswamp And of course the beer would freeze too...lol!
Outstanding the proof is in the results great thx for the tip .
Simple experiments are often the best. Thanks for the great video!
Going to use my saltwater jugs this week up in NH .. May not need them the weather is going to be nice and cold there. great video keep up the great work. cheers
Have fun in NH -)
Makes sense to me, when I was young we made homemade ice cream by adding salt to the ice while churning to freeze the cream. Also, I have been adding bottles of water to my freezer to use up air space. If I put salt in those containers, will that help the efficiency of the freezer since they will be colder?
not really, as they will take more energy to freeze.
the first video was what got me hooked on your channel. it helped me when we where going camping. this follow up video just affirmed the previous! it it works it works... happy trails and give Franky good belly rub will ya!??! lol
Happy trails back to ya buddy. Cheers :-)
I had done that simple experiment with my kids many many years ago.. kinda funny .. Backwoods logic indeed.. thanks for the flashback.. love the vid.. :)
One is frozen and one isn't but they're the same temp. I have the twilight zone in my cooler doo do doodoo do doo doodoo lmao :-D
Seeing the results is all it takes i use the same salt water method as of now thanks
in a sense you both were right. saltwater ice is as cold as water ice if we are talking about the temperature. both of them would be - 18-degree Celsius if you keep them both in the same freezer for a LONG ENOUGH TIME. but salt water ice would take more energy than the water ice to raise/drop 1 degree. so it would stay cold for longer when moving them into a room temp from -18 freezer. BUT --- saltwater ice also takes longer to reach -18 degree. so you need to leave them in the freezer for a longer time to reach -18. I really like your video, because you give me some good examples, please also accept your word "colder" has a different definition than some other people. so don't be pissed off. keep up the good work.
I don't get pissed off that easy lol... but I do find the salt ice debate pretty entertaining. When I travel for long periods of time, I pack my cooler with a good amount of frozen food. The salt ice keeps it frozen for a MUCH longer period of time. It thaws out quick with regular ice. Thanks for your input :-)
Great experiment and one I will try myself. Thanks for sharing.
Once you go salt ice you never go back hahahaha
I'm with you and the proof in front of me. My experiences are the same as your's. I think of the bottle as a lower temperature mass, not as ice. Only my colder deep freezer will freeze them solid. I to have frozen steaks and even slushed beer in a well packed cooler. Thanks for the Vid. Good luck in the woods this season.
Whatever the reason, it just plain works. That's good enough for me :-))
I agree with you Boss. who cares about the science of it. it works and that's what matters. stick to what works and life is easier. The easier life is the more there is too enjoy. Be well andstay safe friend.
You share my thoughts on life for sure. Well said.
I made your salt ice just like you instructed. I also lined my cooler with the foil bubble wrap insulation. It works GREAT! I figured if it worked for you, it would work for me. Thanks
Thank you for your success report :-)
Hi! Great video! What is the percentage salt in water for create this super freezing solution?
Approx 1/4 cup salt per quart of water +/-
The problem with Teacher's/Scientist or just plain educators is they always think they are the smartest person in the room ! They need to stop talking and start listening then they will get educated ! Great video as always Bossman !
I'm fine with science and education when it's put to good use but so often it is not. I'm getting hoards of scientific data explaining why the salt is not colder and that salt ice pulls the heat from the steak faster than clear ice. OK... then explain to my why a cooler full of salt ice will be a shitload colder than one with clear ice. My video was titled "How to make your cooler stay cooler" and I showed how. My goodness now wonder why I drink :-o
Logic vs. science, logic wins every time, especially "backwoods logic"!! Thanks for sharing JC
Is the beer still cold?
What beer?
The beer I was sure was hidden I. There somewhere! LOL. Have a great day!
Thanks for the interesting videos, it helps keep me busy after having knee replacement surgery. Keep up the great work.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery my friend :-)
Another AWESOME vid JC! We've been using the salt water ice since we first watched your "how to keep your cooler cooler" vid And we love it! It works out awesome at our off grid camp! Thanks for sharing!
It works great even though it's not colder hahahaha Cheers :-)
My father was the president of Arkansas Agricultural Aviation Association of America. We had the biggest crushed ice machine you could buy at the time. I would put the cooler full of ice and beer and then put salt on it and it would only take 15 minutes before it was ice cold. It wold never freeze, but it would melt the ice. No problem after that, but it is the fast way to get something very cold. I now live in Mississippi and I am a subscriber.
BTW there has never been a problem with a little salt on an ice cold beer as far as I'm concerned.
My dad used to shake a little salt in a beer now and then. I think my uncle did as well back in the day.
I was looking for info on this and WOW you nailed it man! Just took my ice bottle out of the freezer to thaw to add salt. Couple tips fill the bottle then squeeze out the air and put the lid on while squeezing it. And get a LED bulb for that freezer produces alot less heat and uses less power look on ebay for Topin LED they sell them as 7W but they are 3.7W!
Just keep the salt ice away from your eggs and veggies because it will freeze them solid. Cheers :-)