This happened to me on my first solo flight on the winch. I was at about 300ft AGL and was able to put stick forward pull out brakes/spoilers and land in front (without having to do the circuit). I thought they had done it on purpose, and I was so miffed thinking I had to the back of the student queue and pay again. Then they told me, "nope that was a real rope break." And that's when I said, "Oh". Good training is important.... well done... you handled it well.
I used to love flying ASK-21s from West Malling airfield as a cadet in the ATC in the early 1980s. The ex WWII Hurriance airfield was bulldozed and turned into a housing estate many years ago, but I still have many a very fond memory of gliding from there and onto Maidstone and then up Blue Bell Hill to catch thermals off from GEC Avionics' huge car park, where I would later work for 20 years writing the software for HUDs.
I've only flown on a winch 3 times, two of which ended in rope breaks (real ones). In all three cases, the rope back released. Is there some reason why people feel it necessary to cycle the release a bunch of times?
@@hpmaxim with a rope break there is no guarantee that the rope will back release. You usually have no clue whether a piece of rope remained attached to the glider and how long it is. Better to get rid of it to avoid catching an obstacle in short final or modifying the flight characteristics of the glider!
@@robinnez9150 This is the case in the Netherlands we use a special part of the line which is designed to break if loads get to high, this is only a meter or so long. this means that if the cable breaks it breaks at that point, these special species are to small to release themselves so you have to always manually release them.
@@hpmaxim Yes there is , 1/ it may not have released properly and if broken part of the cable is hanging underneath . Which from the glider he pilot would be unaware of , is not a situation to be in ! 2/ It needs to be pulled hard . It is possible not to pull it hard enough . Specially in a stressful situation , like a cable break . I noticed he hand his hand on the cable release on the way up , a very good practice to do !
@@bryancotton7279 exactly that's why i was taught in flight school to always pull the release after a winch tow, especially after a rope break. The piece of attached rope can cause some damage during landing, for example if it gets caught in the landing gear. If the actual rope snaps and there is a larger piece of rope still attached it can actually become very dangerous, as it could get caught on trees or other obstacles during landing.
This happened to me on my very first winch launched experience flight. That was a K21 as well. The instructor? was under the apprehension that I'd had some experience. Not knowing what to do, I pulled the stick back enough to cause the problem. Thank goodness the instructor wasn't totally off it because we had a successful straight out landing. Obviously we didn't get too high. The negative G experience was 'orrible, but I didn't lose my lunch. Despite this, and probably because of the intense adrenaline hit, after returning to base I immediately joined the club! I had two more flights booked that day. Unfortunately, as I now realise, it was with the same "expert". Up we went with him at the helm. Before I had much of a chance to get used to being a thousand feet or so above my preferred height. zero, he asked me if I'd experienced any G forces. Answering "no" he then said that I should because I couldn't be a pilot if I couldn't take it. Then followed a series of ups and downs +& minus G. I hated it. In hindsight I still think he was under the misapprehension that I had a degree of experience. Come the landing almost proved it. I was flying the thing, but I'd read Piggot's book and had practiced so many times in bed, so my basics weren't altogether unbelievable. I hadn't done any landing under the duvet, so clever dick had to swiftly take over before we ran out of height! Third flight was as it should have been. He did the launch and landing. I did the stuff in the air including a bit of thermal height gain! I seriously wished to continue despite all that. However life intervenes, and finance fizzled. It's 2022 now. I'm 30+ years older. (73) Old Arthur Itis has become a serious companion as well as others. I still crave for the gliding experience. I could afford a flight or two a month if I could get in and out of an aircraft. I live in south east Wales, and have a choice of two clubs Better late than never eh?
As you don’t know if or how long a trailing broken cable might be you must get into the habit of pulling the cable release twice every time you go through this exercise or for real. EVERY TIME.
We follow up with a visual from the winch and a radio call of "good release" or "pull release" at that point it really doesn't matter if the glider pilots pulls the release anymore times. No excuse today not to have communication from the winch to the glider, if your country won't allow this then use it for an emergency and after everyone is safely on the ground you can justify it to whoever is in charge of regulations. We use a hands free cell phone with radio backup if phone connection drops during launch. We use cellphone so we don't tie up air to air at the airport and no one can "step on" the communication.
My instructor pulled it early on me as a surprise during an airtow and it took me 2 seconds to call a simulated rope brake and pitch down, still felt slow when playing it out in my head.
Dunno. Pushing over when it gets quiet around you is kind of a natural reaction to a glider pilot. The urge to pull too much comes only when the ground comes near.
one of the great mysteries to me why UK GPL instructors keep teaching wheel landings without any noticeable flare. I mean not saying your technique is wrong but if you do this in any glider that is not an ask21 or a Schweizer you are going to bounce and bounce and bounce with a touchdown speed of 60kts and have a roll-out of 400 miles...
I'm not a fan of the K21 for this reason. You really have to fly it on. Trying to land it like a taildragger is likely to have unfortunate results. That said, the touchdown seemed like it was at 50+ knots indicated, which is *WAY* faster than it needs to be.
@@hpmaxim Having about a quarter of my total flights on ASK21s I cant really guess what you mean with unfortunate results. I learned to land it just like the good old K13. Just pull back until it sits down, no problem.
@@dranoelr You can take this for what I want, but one of my club's K21s was damaged by an experienced (in taildraggers) pilot, who attempted to land with the stick all the way back, it ended up slamming on to the nose wheel hard shortly after that. I have time in a K7 (which I love), a K13 (which I like), and a K21 (meh), none of which I'd want to stall on. In the case of the K7 (and I think the K13, it's been a while), I felt like you really wanted to keep it balanced on the main wheel and off the skids as much as possible. I really prefer the Twin Astir to the K21, although the K7 had truly delightful handling (I felt the K21 just felt wya worse).
@@hpmaxim Interesting. My comment was just out of curiosity, no criticism on your point. Our K13 has 3 wheels so no skid action for us. The way we get taught the pull back is flaring it slowly and just above the ground with full spoilers slowly pull back to keep about 30cm hight until it sets down. From the handling I also like the K13 way better than the K21 although longer flights get quite hard for me because of the seats.
twice is learned in the netherlands and austria.. WAY more important: push forward to 20-30degree nose down to gain (and MAINTAIN) speed in NL we use BOKS push forward to a good negative attitude , uncouple twice, check spoilers and check speed . in austria something similar was used. i have trained to do a pre take of check , telling myself what altitudes to use for what decision. and call out these as well as speed during winch starts. this keeps you focused.
A few comments saying the landing speed was too high. As a pupil in a simulated cable break his adrenaline would have been pumping. Far better to be slightly too fast than too slow - overall a great job and a safe landing.
Not in the K21, it's weakness is having the nosewheel come up between your legs if it isn't a fully-held off landing and especially if you hit a bump on grass airfields.
The BGA safe launching guidance booklet highlights the safety improvements of already having your hand on the release, as during a high stress scenario such as a wing drop, it's likely you won't find the release - It is scary how many people still don't do this, even on the winch.
Looked like a practice cable release to me. His hand pulled the release and he didn’t check that the cable had released until well into his cross wind leg. Nice circuit and good landing…but not a shock in my view.
I’m new to Gliders can you guys do a video showing the apparatus launching it ? I’m curious all I see is a rope and then your in the air I want to see the machine pulling you in action.
It's generally a truck with a few large spindles of the cable on each. Let's say there's 6. A tow truck will attach all 6 cables and pull them out to the other end of the airfield (to where the gliders set off). Then 1 by 1 a glider hooks up to a cable and launches. The cable itself has an attachment that is rated to break with a certain tension (to avoid damage to the glider or cable itself from excessive forces). When the takeoff begin the engine on the truck revs up and the specific cable drum starts turning slowly ("pick up slack") and then quickly ("all out"). When all 6 cables have been used the tow truck goes over and gets them all back again so more can get launched
Something fishy here. You're meant to pull the release twice in a genuine cable break to ensure no part of the snapped cable is flapping about outside. I think it was a training exercise
Not bad, agree with the pull the release, could have landed with a bit less speed if it was fully held off, note stick position in the centre not at the back
The problem with wearing a headcam is it shows where you were looking, at no point did you look outside the turn, there may well have been gliders coming from there. Nicely flown otherwise.
It was a simulated rope break, the instructor (back seat) just pulled the release. Standard practice until you get you licence so that you will be very calm once it really happens (which it will).
Aaah yes! I always love these comments that give instructions of how he should've done it, completely disregarding other factors. The pilot may have been a student. In that case, the person in the back seat is most likely his f.i. It's his job to teach the pilot, not yours.
He landed on airfield, he can walk away from it and it looks like the aircraft can fly again without going into the workshop. That’s a pretty good landing for an emergency, simulated or not.
@@richarddavis7778 I think people people post because they know there's a silent majority of us here who appreciate and learn and don't feel the need to correct.
This was a medium height practice launch failure where the instructor (David) pulled the cable release, the student pilot Max, was expecting some sort of launch failure, but did not know at what height it was going to happen.
@@christopherrobinson7541 Well said, to which I would only add that any launch which is interrupted prior to reaching the expected height should probably be regarded as a failed launch. In this case, the launch terminated at 450 feet - well below the height that you would expect to commence a circuit, so definitely a failure (simulated or otherwise)
@SentireAeris Sweet I'll try that. I just turned 18 and I've been trying new hobbies like I started white water kayaking and off-roading, I think I will definitely enjoy flying if I like the others. Thank you!
Nicely executed. Could have (or rather should have) pulled the release handle 3 times and could have landed shorter. But that's not the goal during a launch failure, but to get down safely. Greetings from Germany :)
Oh there's one thing though. You should really pull a lot more once you are on the ground. To shorten the roll out and to enhance stability. This one is actually quite important.
das war eine Seilrissübung, da muss man nicht unbedingt dreimal nachklinken wenn er selber ausklinkt, wenn man weiter fahrt kriegt, hängt es noch dran wenn nicht dann nicht. Das macht nur sinn, wenn das Seil durch einen äußeren Einfluss ausgeklinkt wird. Sprich Schwerpunktskuppelung, Fluglehrer von hinten, oder ein normaler Seilriss. Weil dann kannst du dir nicht sicher sein ob noch was unten dran hängt.
Genau das. Es ist eine "Übung", deren Routine in Fleisch und Blut übergehen soll. Ich möchte übrigens im Falle des Falles nicht erst merken "Oh, ich habe keine Fahrt", dann erst zum Ausklinkknopf greifen und im Zweifelsfall schon längst am Seil trudeln. So sterben Menschen. Völlig unnötig, wenn mein Muskelgedächtnis dieses Problem ohne weitere Denkarbeit von mir von vornherein ausschließen kann :)
If it's got wings, a cockpit, and goes up in the air even an inch, it needs a motor with propellers at the very least, even if it's nothing more than a 5hp Briggs and Stratton with a trolling motor prop tied on with hay baling string.
If you are a beginner, it is OK. However there were several elementary mistakes. You didn't pull the release, you miscalculated the landing place, the landing was too fast without flare. You were more than 200 feet above the threshold, I though you want to fly another pattern. :D Don't worry though, we all make mistakes sometimes.
@HorrifiedPilot You are comparing apples and oranges. Off field landings are not emergencies. You plan them and you are supposed to perform a spot-on landing. Cable breaks usually do happen at low altitudes. When you instill striving for a spot landing under all circumstances you will end up with dead student pilots when they try the final turn in a high-stress situation without much experience at 100-150ft when the only thing that they recall that they should strife for the perfect landing every time. It has happened before. A cable break at a leisurely altitude of 450ft gives you of course options. But even then a responsible instructor would always train safety first which is recover, release, think decide what to do and exeute a safe landing.
Please try and post a video of your next cable break - I have flown from Portmoak a number of times now and thought the flight was handled well. Landing back correctly and safe in the middle of the field. If Mark Cortney says it was OK that’s all right with me
Man, that was a cable break! Or rather an exercise. Safety comes first here. At these altitudes you do not always have the luxury to fly a full pattern and land at the mark. Otherwise you do the final turn dangerously low, or simply too low for survival.
In the UK we try to avoid making the final turn below 300ft. In this case the reference point was moved further into the airfield to avoid making a low final turn. The airfield is 3,000ft long and Max used less than a quarter. If trying to land short he could easily have landed before the launch point on the left where another glider was parked.
This happened to me on my first solo flight on the winch. I was at about 300ft AGL and was able to put stick forward pull out brakes/spoilers and land in front (without having to do the circuit). I thought they had done it on purpose, and I was so miffed thinking I had to the back of the student queue and pay again. Then they told me, "nope that was a real rope break." And that's when I said, "Oh". Good training is important.... well done... you handled it well.
I used to love flying ASK-21s from West Malling airfield as a cadet in the ATC in the early 1980s. The ex WWII Hurriance airfield was bulldozed and turned into a housing estate many years ago, but I still have many a very fond memory of gliding from there and onto Maidstone and then up Blue Bell Hill to catch thermals off from GEC Avionics' huge car park, where I would later work for 20 years writing the software for HUDs.
No cable release even if it was a practice you should still do the action of two or more pulls of the cable release handle just to get into the habit.
I've only flown on a winch 3 times, two of which ended in rope breaks (real ones). In all three cases, the rope back released. Is there some reason why people feel it necessary to cycle the release a bunch of times?
@@hpmaxim with a rope break there is no guarantee that the rope will back release. You usually have no clue whether a piece of rope remained attached to the glider and how long it is. Better to get rid of it to avoid catching an obstacle in short final or modifying the flight characteristics of the glider!
@@robinnez9150 This is the case in the Netherlands we use a special part of the line which is designed to break if loads get to high, this is only a meter or so long. this means that if the cable breaks it breaks at that point, these special species are to small to release themselves so you have to always manually release them.
@@hpmaxim Yes there is , 1/ it may not have released properly and if broken part of the cable is hanging underneath . Which from the glider he pilot would be unaware of , is not a situation to be in !
2/ It needs to be pulled hard . It is possible not to pull it hard enough . Specially in a stressful situation , like a cable break . I noticed he hand his hand on the cable release on the way up , a very good practice to do !
@@nielsdejonge6090 Exact same over here in the uk, or at least in the clubs I've flown at
Nice job, but make sure to pull the rope release after you stabilized. When it is an actual rope break you want the end of that rope gone.
I thought the same
On my one real rope break I brought the ring back with me. The weak link had failed.
@@bryancotton7279 exactly that's why i was taught in flight school to always pull the release after a winch tow, especially after a rope break. The piece of attached rope can cause some damage during landing, for example if it gets caught in the landing gear.
If the actual rope snaps and there is a larger piece of rope still attached it can actually become very dangerous, as it could get caught on trees or other obstacles during landing.
This happened to me on my very first winch launched experience flight. That was a K21 as well. The instructor? was under the apprehension that I'd had some experience. Not knowing what to do, I pulled the stick back enough to cause the problem. Thank goodness the instructor wasn't totally off it because we had a successful straight out landing. Obviously we didn't get too high. The negative G experience was 'orrible, but I didn't lose my lunch. Despite this, and probably because of the intense adrenaline hit, after returning to base I immediately joined the club! I had two more flights booked that day. Unfortunately, as I now realise, it was with the same "expert". Up we went with him at the helm. Before I had much of a chance to get used to being a thousand feet or so above my preferred height. zero, he asked me if I'd experienced any G forces. Answering "no" he then said that I should because I couldn't be a pilot if I couldn't take it. Then followed a series of ups and downs +& minus G. I hated it. In hindsight I still think he was under the misapprehension that I had a degree of experience. Come the landing almost proved it. I was flying the thing, but I'd read Piggot's book and had practiced so many times in bed, so my basics weren't altogether unbelievable. I hadn't done any landing under the duvet, so clever dick had to swiftly take over before we ran out of height! Third flight was as it should have been. He did the launch and landing. I did the stuff in the air including a bit of thermal height gain! I seriously wished to continue despite all that. However life intervenes, and finance fizzled. It's 2022 now. I'm 30+ years older. (73) Old Arthur Itis has become a serious companion as well as others. I still crave for the gliding experience. I could afford a flight or two a month if I could get in and out of an aircraft. I live in south east Wales, and have a choice of two clubs Better late than never eh?
Do it!
Better ever than never
My club has a reduced membership rate for those who only want to fly up to six times a year. Worth checking if your local club has something similar?
@@Jaccayumitty but than hopefully only with a (capable) instructor, eh?
As you don’t know if or how long a trailing broken cable might be you must get into the habit of pulling the cable release twice every time you go through this exercise or for real. EVERY TIME.
The interesting thing about a glider is that you have a 24/7 engine failure, but you don't call ATC and say mayday, coming in deadstick.
You do have to tell what kind of aircraft you're flying to the ATC if flying in a controlled space.
You should have pulled the release, you could be dragging a whole bunch of cable with you...
Looks like he pulled his own release, that would explain the not pulling to dump any trailing cable. Rubbish lookout but good landing :-)
It made me sick see him not doing it. Even if it's for training.
@@mreese8764 In denmark we learn to pull the release 3 times, to make sure we arent dragging anything. But in some country they do not do it.
@@moefly14 same in Germany
We follow up with a visual from the winch and a radio call of "good release" or "pull release" at that point it really doesn't matter if the glider pilots pulls the release anymore times. No excuse today not to have communication from the winch to the glider, if your country won't allow this then use it for an emergency and after everyone is safely on the ground you can justify it to whoever is in charge of regulations. We use a hands free cell phone with radio backup if phone connection drops during launch. We use cellphone so we don't tie up air to air at the airport and no one can "step on" the communication.
Love the almost instant push-over on the release! Takes good training/practice to fight that urge to keep pulling the nose up.
There's no urge, you feel the bottom falling out from underneath you.
Yes .. nose over first, then recheck full release of any rope. 👍
My instructor pulled it early on me as a surprise during an airtow and it took me 2 seconds to call a simulated rope brake and pitch down, still felt slow when playing it out in my head.
Dunno. Pushing over when it gets quiet around you is kind of a natural reaction to a glider pilot. The urge to pull too much comes only when the ground comes near.
one of the great mysteries to me why UK GPL instructors keep teaching wheel landings without any noticeable flare. I mean not saying your technique is wrong but if you do this in any glider that is not an ask21 or a Schweizer you are going to bounce and bounce and bounce with a touchdown speed of 60kts and have a roll-out of 400 miles...
I'm not a fan of the K21 for this reason. You really have to fly it on. Trying to land it like a taildragger is likely to have unfortunate results. That said, the touchdown seemed like it was at 50+ knots indicated, which is *WAY* faster than it needs to be.
@@hpmaxim Having about a quarter of my total flights on ASK21s I cant really guess what you mean with unfortunate results. I learned to land it just like the good old K13. Just pull back until it sits down, no problem.
@@dranoelr You can take this for what I want, but one of my club's K21s was damaged by an experienced (in taildraggers) pilot, who attempted to land with the stick all the way back, it ended up slamming on to the nose wheel hard shortly after that. I have time in a K7 (which I love), a K13 (which I like), and a K21 (meh), none of which I'd want to stall on. In the case of the K7 (and I think the K13, it's been a while), I felt like you really wanted to keep it balanced on the main wheel and off the skids as much as possible.
I really prefer the Twin Astir to the K21, although the K7 had truly delightful handling (I felt the K21 just felt wya worse).
@@hpmaxim Interesting. My comment was just out of curiosity, no criticism on your point.
Our K13 has 3 wheels so no skid action for us. The way we get taught the pull back is flaring it slowly and just above the ground with full spoilers slowly pull back to keep about 30cm hight until it sets down.
From the handling I also like the K13 way better than the K21 although longer flights get quite hard for me because of the seats.
The BGA do teach fully held off landings and no reason it cannot be achieved in the K21. No reason to fly it on.
Well done if you ASK me :)
Cheeky bastard
You should have pulled the yellow handle 3 times after the incident! ;) otherwise nice control ;)
twice is learned in the netherlands and austria..
WAY more important: push forward to 20-30degree nose down to gain (and MAINTAIN) speed
in NL we use BOKS push forward to a good negative attitude , uncouple twice, check spoilers and check speed .
in austria something similar was used.
i have trained to do a pre take of check , telling myself what altitudes to use for what decision. and call out these as well as speed during winch starts. this keeps you focused.
As the description is lacking can someone please explain what we are looking at here?
Altimeter set to QFE? In the US, there are (high altitude) fields where that is impossible. We are required to set QNH.
A few comments saying the landing speed was too high. As a pupil in a simulated cable break his adrenaline would have been pumping. Far better to be slightly too fast than too slow - overall a great job and a safe landing.
Not in the K21, it's weakness is having the nosewheel come up between your legs if it isn't a fully-held off landing and especially if you hit a bump on grass airfields.
Why is he holding on to the release cable all the time ? I only ever got hold of that at the point of releasing the cable,seems a nervous P2 😊
The BGA safe launching guidance booklet highlights the safety improvements of already having your hand on the release, as during a high stress scenario such as a wing drop, it's likely you won't find the release - It is scary how many people still don't do this, even on the winch.
You are taught to pull the release 3 times even on a normal launch
Really nicely handled. The way you dealt with the break was excellent but I would round out a little earlier although this might be the camera angle.
Looked like a practice cable release to me. His hand pulled the release and he didn’t check that the cable had released until well into his cross wind leg. Nice circuit and good landing…but not a shock in my view.
I’m new to Gliders can you guys do a video showing the apparatus launching it ? I’m curious all I see is a rope and then your in the air I want to see the machine pulling you in action.
It's generally a truck with a few large spindles of the cable on each. Let's say there's 6. A tow truck will attach all 6 cables and pull them out to the other end of the airfield (to where the gliders set off). Then 1 by 1 a glider hooks up to a cable and launches. The cable itself has an attachment that is rated to break with a certain tension (to avoid damage to the glider or cable itself from excessive forces).
When the takeoff begin the engine on the truck revs up and the specific cable drum starts turning slowly ("pick up slack") and then quickly ("all out").
When all 6 cables have been used the tow truck goes over and gets them all back again so more can get launched
The following video is of a Skylaunch winch, similar to the one used at Portmoak.
th-cam.com/video/riqhzcXZqzg/w-d-xo.html
Something fishy here. You're meant to pull the release twice in a genuine cable break to ensure no part of the snapped cable is flapping about outside. I think it was a training exercise
Nothing says it wasn't a simulated break
Not bad, agree with the pull the release, could have landed with a bit less speed if it was fully held off, note stick position in the centre not at the back
Good pilot he had the altitude and the speed. Good decision great landing
testing, will this one be deleted too?
I am genuinely shocked humanity didn’t figure out this form of flight sooner. It seems almost intuitive.
+1 It seemed to take a long time from the invention of the hot air balloon to the discovery that birds soar in thermals.
In Texas we just catch a thermal it 400' and go back up lots of lift here
The problem with wearing a headcam is it shows where you were looking, at no point did you look outside the turn, there may well have been gliders coming from there. Nicely flown otherwise.
Mark Courtney fair comment...........bad habbit of not looking out
I take it this was a simulated forced landing?
A simulated lauch failure where the instructor pulls the release.
@@davidallan9624
Ah, right. Thanks for the explanation.
I would pay just to do this! how much does it cost to get to this point? i have zero experience, beyond general interest and flight sims.
Well done.
Maybe don't focus on the altimeter so much but look out the window and see if the picture looks right or not 👍
Well executed .... the look out ....outside the circuit was a bit lacking.... but other than that a great recovery 👍👍👍
Could explain to me What happened? )
It was a simulated rope break, the instructor (back seat) just pulled the release. Standard practice until you get you licence so that you will be very calm once it really happens (which it will).
Aaah yes! I always love these comments that give instructions of how he should've done it, completely disregarding other factors.
The pilot may have been a student. In that case, the person in the back seat is most likely his f.i. It's his job to teach the pilot, not yours.
Yes, armchair experts abound. Makes you wonder why people bother to post. I thought he did really well.
He landed on airfield, he can walk away from it and it looks like the aircraft can fly again without going into the workshop. That’s a pretty good landing for an emergency, simulated or not.
@@richarddavis7778 I think people people post because they know there's a silent majority of us here who appreciate and learn and don't feel the need to correct.
Good job. Nice landing
Would have been more interesting if you had landed on that little island.
That would be St. Serf's Inch. Mythology states that giders from Portmoak have landed there. Embarrassing and expensive to get them home.
I am amazed that there are so many views for this clip which I like but how does you tube get this number?
Standard winch launch training... no big deal....
That landing was smooth
The student shouldn't have known it was going to happen or there's no training value
Incorrect. Depends on the stage of the training.
Not true, you still don't know which altitude he's going to pull out, could be 20m, 50m or 100m (anything above is boring).
Nice save!! Good job!
Well done Maks
That's a how a launch failures done, nice quick and smooth rotation over the top. Nice one!
Forgot to release tho
normal, medium length fun flight with a glider... not a "failure"
This was a medium height practice launch failure where the instructor (David) pulled the cable release, the student pilot Max, was expecting some sort of launch failure, but did not know at what height it was going to happen.
@@christopherrobinson7541
Well said, to which I would only add that any launch which is interrupted prior to reaching the expected height should probably be regarded as a failed launch. In this case, the launch terminated at 450 feet - well below the height that you would expect to commence a circuit, so definitely a failure (simulated or otherwise)
Man that looks like fun, how do you even get into this kind of thing? I want to try it
@SentireAeris Sweet I'll try that. I just turned 18 and I've been trying new hobbies like I started white water kayaking and off-roading, I think I will definitely enjoy flying if I like the others. Thank you!
Excellent!
Same happened to me on my third solo flight
This is game ???
That kicked in like warp drive...
Remember to pull the releaser.
FIND THOSE THERMALS KING
By the sound of it this was just a training exercise.
450ft more like 1,000ft Those Ripped Jeans did the trick!!
They seek him here, they seek him there...
Nicely handled
was this on purpose?
my teacher told me at winch launch never hands on the yellow release.
??!?!???!?!!?!? definetly other way round - rapid wing drops on the winch can sorta mean death if your hand isn't on the release
@@orangegherkin3420 i understand what you mean, but not the hands on it.
@@dieterkarrer2535 The BGA reccomends you have your hands on the release
Nicely executed. Could have (or rather should have) pulled the release handle 3 times and could have landed shorter. But that's not the goal during a launch failure, but to get down safely. Greetings from Germany :)
Oh there's one thing though. You should really pull a lot more once you are on the ground. To shorten the roll out and to enhance stability. This one is actually quite important.
das war eine Seilrissübung, da muss man nicht unbedingt dreimal nachklinken wenn er selber ausklinkt, wenn man weiter fahrt kriegt, hängt es noch dran wenn nicht dann nicht. Das macht nur sinn, wenn das Seil durch einen äußeren Einfluss ausgeklinkt wird. Sprich Schwerpunktskuppelung, Fluglehrer von hinten, oder ein normaler Seilriss. Weil dann kannst du dir nicht sicher sein ob noch was unten dran hängt.
MC Airbus Aber selbst wenn ers selber ausklinkt ist es für die Routine immer noch besser noch einmal 3 mal nachzuklinken
Genau das. Es ist eine "Übung", deren Routine in Fleisch und Blut übergehen soll. Ich möchte übrigens im Falle des Falles nicht erst merken "Oh, ich habe keine Fahrt", dann erst zum Ausklinkknopf greifen und im Zweifelsfall schon längst am Seil trudeln. So sterben Menschen. Völlig unnötig, wenn mein Muskelgedächtnis dieses Problem ohne weitere Denkarbeit von mir von vornherein ausschließen kann :)
Well done nicely done
over 500 feet.
Need those thermals to climb or it's what goes up must come down :|
If it's got wings, a cockpit, and goes up in the air even an inch, it needs a motor with propellers at the very least, even if it's nothing more than a 5hp Briggs and Stratton with a trolling motor prop tied on with hay baling string.
Hello nice job saludos
Good managed.
i see no Launch failure but a failure training
Perfectly!
I glide and I’m only 14
im 13 and i glide
@@samcoolegliding3524 i'm 2 days old, and just got my licens :)
ok
Sam Coole lol
I'm a dog on the internet and I have no idea what I'm doing.
If you are a beginner, it is OK. However there were several elementary mistakes. You didn't pull the release, you miscalculated the landing place, the landing was too fast without flare. You were more than 200 feet above the threshold, I though you want to fly another pattern. :D Don't worry though, we all make mistakes sometimes.
Zoltán Szabó screw landing at the mark in case of a cable break or an exercise of it. Land it safe on the field.
@HorrifiedPilot No. Safety first.
@HorrifiedPilot You are comparing apples and oranges. Off field landings are not emergencies. You plan them and you are supposed to perform a spot-on landing.
Cable breaks usually do happen at low altitudes. When you instill striving for a spot landing under all circumstances you will end up with dead student pilots when they try the final turn in a high-stress situation without much experience at 100-150ft when the only thing that they recall that they should strife for the perfect landing every time. It has happened before.
A cable break at a leisurely altitude of 450ft gives you of course options. But even then a responsible instructor would always train safety first which is recover, release, think decide what to do and exeute a safe landing.
Please try and post a video of your next cable break - I have flown from Portmoak a number of times now and thought the flight was handled well. Landing back correctly and safe in the middle of the field. If Mark Cortney says it was OK that’s all right with me
Landing was waaayyyyyy too long!
Man, that was a cable break! Or rather an exercise. Safety comes first here. At these altitudes you do not always have the luxury to fly a full pattern and land at the mark. Otherwise you do the final turn dangerously low, or simply too low for survival.
In the UK we try to avoid making the final turn below 300ft. In this case the reference point was moved further into the airfield to avoid making a low final turn. The airfield is 3,000ft long and Max used less than a quarter. If trying to land short he could easily have landed before the launch point on the left where another glider was parked.