Doesn’t seem to deserve its “Pro”title, but seems like a good base-level product for the money with a very limited storage-only focus. Hope that they release a true Pro version that has more respectable specs and at least allows Protect to be loaded.
It has very respectable specs for a NAS. Remember this is not synology. It is not running a bunch of other apps and crap on it. It is purely a NAS, and it hits the speeds consistently. If you use faster SSD's it will max out the 10Gbps. Standard NAS's would be more 2.5GB Ethernet or 1gbps ethernet, like a lot of synology and qnap devices are. Pro fits well for the specs of this device and I am sure if it sells well UI will do an enterprise version based around the form factor of the UNVR enterprise. The Pro version, having integration to Active Directory systems, and the consistent speed definitely puts it in the right category and price point.
Having tried running several apps off my Synology NAS, I don’t think I’ll ever do it again once I upgrade my network. Really big fan of keeping a NAS to storing, and putting apps on something dedicated and more powerful. The lack of a cache is definitely killer though. They should address that fast.
I think that as a first product in this segment this is the correct approach. It solves the core for small business. I think the name should be changed to non pro as it doesn’t support pro features. I’d like to see a revision with multiple at least two m.2 drive support be named as pro with expanded support for nfs and iscsi. Then an enterprise solution with jbod expandability.
I think the 10gbps SFP+ makes it a Pro version. You can get adaptors that can adapt 2.5" to m.2 if needed, but even standard SATA SSD's will max out a 10gbps connection. A non-pro would likely be 2.5gbps or even 1gbps ethernet, with the 4 bay option. I expect UI may do that and maybe an enterprise version if this version sells well. As a note, try not to mix up NAS and SAN. Most NAS devices do not support iSCSI, as this is more of a SAN feature for the higher throughput and lower latency. NFS, sure a lot of NAS devices do support that and maybe that will be added if UI get the right amount of feedback. For a first release, this has a lot of features, including the integration to Directory Services, which I would not expect on a non pro device. This all lends the placement as a Pro branding as being pretty good, between standard and enterprise.
Wait, it cannot even do basic file sharing protocols like NFS? That is unacceptable, iSCSI I can sort of understand to be missing in the first version (sort of, but this is 2024!!)
NFS :fast performance and low overhead, SMB : reliability, security and compatibility It supports SMB. So what is the problem? It is basically compatible with everything NFS is for file sharing only, SMB is for sharing more than just files. Furthermore it is SMB allowing the box using e.g. LDAP/Active directory authentication, which is not possible with NFS (NFS uses authentication available on the box it is running on) etc... etc... It kind of depends of your environment whether SMB or NFS is most suitable. Just yelling "it does not support NFS what the...." is kinda short sighted. In most environments (small/medium and home businesses), windows authentication is a must, so it is normal that they first target this group of users and therefore first implement SMB. NFS is just another software stack they can add later on. Same for iSCSI. Knowing Ubiquiti, give or take 2 to 3 years and all of this will be available (look at what they did to the dream machine pro 😃 in a timespan of a couple of years)
@@RealLordy "It is basically compatible with everything"..........Except for pure Unix/Linux shops where SMB/CIFS performance is unacceptable when compared to NFS.
@@thegreyfuzz LOL in a "pure" Linux shop who is running Ubiquiti gear? This stuff is for crazy home users (me) or small/medium mom+pop business or maybe like a dental/optometrist office. And being able to pop it right in and configure it in five minutes is EXACTLY the appeal for those users. LOL "unacceptable." Linux snobs are always a hoot.
Lot's of great points on why it falls short for being a main nas, Tim! Though I can see this being a good solution for backing up your main nas, TrueNAS, Synology, etc... It would be cool to see how well it plays with other nas systems.
Asking the real questions. People are looking at this NAS and comparing it to other NAS' that aren’t just a NAS anymore. This isn’t trying to be a mini server, VM host or docker cluster. It’s a NAS, Network Attached Storage. Tell me more about it being a NAS please.
@@thmo_ Consider this. You have gigs and gigs of log files. You want to grep for a specific entry or series of events. You can either run that in a container on the nas and only network transfer your 1kb of results, or download gigs and gigs just to search through them.
This, along with a dozen other videos released, will give you all the information you need. It is a NAS. Network Attached Storage. It is not a server, it is not pretending to run a bunch of apps. It's not pretending to be something it's not. It is exactly what it says on the box. It shares your files. iSCSI and NFS are not part of it at this stage. Maybe that will come if UI sell enough to warrant an enterprise version to be released. As much as NFS and iSCSI would be nice, that would put it outside of being just a NAS. That would start moving it to the SAN category and add the cost to it. NAS devices do sometimes add NFS, and maybe UI will add that if the get enough feedback on it. UI are pretty good like that
Encryption per Volume(Drive) instead of per Disk(drive) is to likely protect the data at rest in each Volume from being decrypted. If the key to 1 is compromised, the others are still safe. Seems like Ubiquiti wanted to take this approach as they have unique Drives for each permanent User assigned access to the NAS.
I deal with the lack of nvme. With all 7 bays running 10gbps is not a problem. The lack of apps or simple vm support is a problem for me. it around 2x the cost of this to get home Lab 15 from 45drives and a simple am4 based rig running with ecc memory and 2x the number of bays and multiple nvme and gpu support. I currently have a full unifi network. And I have a full-size tower case with my old 5950x 64gb of ecc ddr4, rtx A4000, 9600-24i I have 2x 8tb intel ssd's and 12x 20tb from spd all running fine 2 of the 12 are hot spares
It's likely due to not having a battery powered storage controller that can take an m.2 too, since cached writes can result in data loss during a power outage. Maybe they'll make using their proprietary backup power mandatory to enable the feature in a future device.
Rule 1 of life - do not buy gen1 of any tech.... Tech or car.......... Especially if it's tech for an actual business ..........You have been warned..... Don't pay to be the beta tester....... Especially apply this when it's a brand / company that you like or have had good experience with before..... Always, always treat every product/item/laptop/GPU/CPU as a new unknown, free from any positive previous experiences ....
Yep. Cough *Ugreen* cough. I was a Ugreen beta tester and got one of their units for free thankfully. I warned people who backed Ugreen on Kickstarter that they were going to also be beta testers but many didn't believe me. Many people were upset that they didn't get a retail ready NAS. They really expected a retail ready NAS from a company that was just getting into the NAS space?!
@@cdnron75 yeah, we live and learn.... I try learn from others mistakes, thanx to the internet :P . I'm a Ugreen fan when it comes to basic cables and peripherals etc. A NAS (aka server) in a business...... No thank you.... I'd love to get my hands on 1 so I can scan it for possible vulnerabilities... The more you know.... Sadly, even "the best" NAS is worth little if it's not properly secured AND backed up, off-site , with regular data verification.... A BMW is a dangerous machine in the hands of an inexperienced driver..... Same with business tech. :)
This aint first gen. Its all parts from existing products. Basically a NVR with another OS. The hardware is solid, the software needs some work, but is doing what its supposed to right now. Your comment lacks nuance.
Definitely a missed opportunity to not have ZFS and Ceph support. Even in a Ubiquiti eco-system, you're better off using an old Dell with Proxmox or TrueNAS for this. What's the power consumption of it during idle and/or under workload?
I understand creating a purely NAS product rather than a NAS that is also application server like Synology/QNAP. I do believe that UI Verify brings nice access controls to the data. However, CIFS/SMB + AFS does not a NAS make. Where's NFS and iSCSI??? If they are offering a 10Gbps NIC, then why is not also an iSCSI target? If Ubiquiti wants to play in the Enterprise or even in the serious Homelab realm, then iSCSI and NFS are going to be key requirements. Oh and where are the RAW LUN options? Is the file system EXT4, RAIDn?, Zfs, RAIDz?
@@Bambo-DN Well the SFP+ was needed for those that want to get the most of this and if you're buying it you likely have one of their other switches with SFP+. But yeah, the 1Gb link should have been replaced with a 2.5. That port is only a few dollars more.
Can you add some information on the internals used by this NAS. My guess ist that tehy use the linux devive mapper and LVM for the setup - but it is unclear how they use it and what are the actual raid levels. Is it Raid 5/& or is it Raid 10? Can the Raid pools be extended after they are created? How does it work with mixed drives? Also what Filesystem is used in the backend - Ext4 / XFS or BTRFS. and how are the Snapshots generated / stored? These are all important questions to consider before a NAS is setup else the data inside is in a blackbox and can't be recovered if the main device fails...
Great video. I've been looking at getting a NAS, but as other people have said, the lack of NVMe cache seems a bit of a deal breaker, especially when similar priced options from the other big names in NAS offer this. Also, complete sidenote, where did you get that 6 high portable rack?
@@metalmanexetreme Not a rack mounted. But Terramaster offer the F6-424, 6-bay with NVMe cache, Asustor offer the Flashstor 6 (6 NVMe), QNAP do the TS-932PX-4G (9 bay, with SSD cache)
just wait for the UNAS-PRO-MAX for some extra features and improvments following their trend with the "MAX" addition to their products. This is still a steal at $499 for a solid file server solution compared to the others out there
Unifi had a few NVRs laying arround no one bought i guess😅 Noo ok at least they starzed something. This needs work. A lot of it! Why no N100 or an equivalent AMD APU ? 😅
I actually like them taking a pure storage approach that said, that seems like they finished their NVR went "that's basically a NAS" and made a minimally viable experience. They got the core features, SMB is easily the most important but not having other protocols is a big miss, not having a cache is also very weird to me. It has its place but it's definitely nascent. Fix the few hardware oddities, add to storage protocols and management and i think it's in a pretty good spot. But until then it's a "well i need a share and i already have a ubiquiti network, good enough" type thing at best, but if it's critical you'll usually still lean towards more mature solutions for a while still
Hi there, thanks for the video. I am looking to see the following: 1. iPhone and Android Applications to backup the pictures from the phone into the UNAS. 2. something similar to google documents to create office documents directly on the UNAS. 3. backup up one entire windows computer to the UNAS, similar to synology backup for business. .
Without NFS, iSCSI, and S3-compatible object storage this device will never be for me. The lack of redundant 10G networking and support for caching drives feels like a disappointment when you start comparing this unit against rack mount solutions from other NAS vendors. Even if those units are more expensive. Fingers crossed the UNAS+ Pro Ultra Gen2 Remix is more feature rich then an NVR Pro with 8GB of RAM
We need to accept this is a starter product. It’s a minimal viable product at this moment. I don’t mind if there will be a seperate device that handles the compute part in the future and so you can make thing’s scalable. Imagine a server that runs apps that can be load balanced and uses these nas as a long term file storage. The arm a57 in this storage product is not powerful enough to run any apps anyway.
Does it have AD/LADAP integration along with NTFS permissions? I can’t see from the videos so far that it does and so therefore just can’t see where this fits in the market. This, in its current format, might be ok for home users but it’s rack mounted so that implies they want businesses to take it seriously?
It’s a start, but despite being heavily embedded into the Ubiquiti ecosystem I won’t be replacing my custom built home headless ubuntu NAS/Server with it. Had I not got my server and were less techy or less keen to put the hours in this could be a consideration as it would cover some of my needs. What it needs though in my opinion is Cache support (with either built in SSD or NVME slot), more raid options, loose the screen and make it 8 drives, NFS, basic VM support, ability to add more RAM, greater Admin controlI, and NUT support to work with 3rd party UPSs. I do however like the ubiquiti integration and UI, ease of setup, the standard SFP+ 10Gb port (personally wouldn’t want 10Gb RJ45, but make sure it is compatible with an adapter module), the QR file sharing and the windows, Mac OS and Time Machine integration. Some of my concerns could be addressed with an updated I would of thought, but obviously not the hardware modifications. Would also be nice to know what the power draw is, one of the reasons I went the DIY route was the ability to really get the power draw down. Hopefully the next iteration will be better.
I'd love to see UI do two more NAS devices, based around the form factor of the other two NVR ( the standard 4 bay and the Enterprise version) just to give a couple of different entry points into the market.
@@alonzosmith6189 for me the most NB thing with a NAS is this - can I pull the drives and access my data once I provide the decryption key. With that in mind, my goto is virtualizing a NAS OS or storage system, that I know will allow me to easily access my data, once the key is provided.
Thanks for the video. This NAS can definitely use some caching probably if we do SSD? Also, it was not mentioned in the video the power consumption of this NAS.
Hi Tim, After viewing another video on UniFi, I’ve a stupid question as this guy is using two unify switches (Pro Max 24 PoE and Aggregation) without using any gateway) As I was looking for the “Dream Machine Pro Max”, what are the functionalities provided only by this gateway. At least : - VPN access - IDS / IPS - NVR Q1) Any nothing function ? Q2) What are you thinking to use these two switches without a gateway ? PS : and if you’re asking why a “pro max”, it’s because my ISP provides me a symmetrical 8 Gb/s throughput and this version has a better throughput with IDS/IPS.
The Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro Max (UDM Pro Max) is a high-performance gateway/router designed for advanced users and businesses. Here's a breakdown of your queries regarding its unique functionalities and suitability for your use case: Features Exclusive to the UDM Pro Max: VPN Access: Provides built-in VPN server/client support. Compatible with modern VPN protocols like L2TP/IPsec and third-party configurations. Intrusion Detection/Prevention System (IDS/IPS): Enhanced IDS/IPS capabilities with minimal throughput degradation, making it ideal for high-speed ISPs (like your 8 Gb/s symmetrical connection). Uses the Unifi Threat Management system to monitor, detect, and block malicious traffic in real time. Network Video Recorder (NVR): Integrates with UniFi Protect, allowing local recording, management, and playback of security camera footage. Supports up to 7 cameras at 4K resolution or 20+ cameras at 1080p. Q1) Any "Nothing" Function? The UDM Pro Max doesn't lack significant functionality in its category, but it focuses specifically on advanced networking and security features for UniFi environments. It lacks: Wi-Fi access points: Unlike the basic UDM or UDM SE, the UDM Pro Max doesn't include a built-in Wi-Fi AP. External UniFi APs are required. Legacy or Custom Firmware Compatibility: Ubiquiti devices have limited support for non-Ubiquiti systems or custom firmware. Q2) Using Two Switches Without a Gateway? If you plan to use two UniFi switches without a gateway: Challenges: Lack of centralized routing, firewall, and traffic management. No IDS/IPS or VPN access features without a UniFi gateway or similar device. Loss of advanced insights in the UniFi Controller, such as per-client traffic analysis. Workarounds: Standalone Mode: UniFi switches can operate in "standalone" mode but lose advanced features like VLAN routing, centralized management, and device group policies. Third-Party Gateway: You can use another high-performance router to manage routing and connect to UniFi switches. However, this will fragment your setup and may limit the synergy of the UniFi ecosystem. Why the Pro Max Makes Sense for Your Case: With an 8 Gb/s symmetrical ISP connection, the Pro Max is the optimal choice because: Its hardware supports line-rate IDS/IPS and firewall rules at high throughput, which is necessary to utilize the full capacity of your connection. It can manage traffic seamlessly even under high load, something smaller models (like UDM Pro or UDM SE) would struggle with. Its dedicated functionality for VPN, NVR, and threat management ensures you're future-proofing your network for advanced use cases.
What kills it for me is the lack of dual power supplies (even if they aren't hot swap, I'd still like redundancy) and especially the SINGLE 10G port. Even at that price point...is it really that much more expensive to add a 2nd 10G port? But yeah...I don't think this is a "Pro" device but it's still a VERY good entry as their first NAS. Like you said: a basic storage NAS with ease of management AND a 10G port at a VERY good price point. Coulda been better though.
8.5 minutes is all the attention this NAS deserves in its present condition (software-wise). :) It seems to be a nice start in NAS field for UniFi regardless
They are not comparable at all in features. The Unfi "NAS" is very basic, but their market is prosumer or small business, seems like a disconnect. Some deficiencies can be addressed through FW upgrades, but right now it's a non-starter for most.
Not having apps can be off set with running them on pi's with the nasty mounted. But still i already have a synology. If this gets better and I need to upgrade then sure. Thx for the info
I've not seen what that base file system is, but with only 8GB or RAM and no SSD caching, I'm assuming it's not ZFS. In this day and age, with the huge drives we see a modern file system seems like a must.
I believe it’s btrfs. It’s definitely something with potential. But no future for expansion or software updates to improve the experience for SOHO users. Corps would prefer AI for video storage, tracking, recompressing and camera alerts & processing, and I believe that’s their focus for 2025
SFTP can have reduced throughput on a 10 Gb network due to encryption overhead, whereas unencrypted protocols like SMB or NFS typically achieve higher speeds by avoiding this processing load."
As I've mentioned on the NASCompares review video, I was excited until I discovered it does not have NFS or iSCSI, as I consider those services a fundamental requirement for even an entry-level NAS. I'd also love to see an NVMe RW/RO cache option. I'd have instantly given UI my money if it had iSCSI, NFS, NVMe cache, and dual 10GB SFP+. I guess those will come as a PRO MAX version :P
According to nascompares even going into ssh he couldn’t find the info, but he speculates that because of the processor and speed of the snapshots and such he says it’s likely btrfs
@@metalmanexetremeindeed the specs are not up to par for anything ZFS, so it’s likely btrfs. Pity though something like Ceph would have given them object storage, and ZFS would have given them NFS and iSCSI build in. It looks promising though, but i will wait until they add some more features or release a model that includes these features.
Do you have any UniFi networking gear, or when you say first UniFi device you are referring to picking this up to try an use it standalone of a UniFi network?
@@truckerallikatuk oh yeah, not a good play on your part. If you wanna hop into UniFi stuff I’d start with a controller (unifi gateway max, UDM pro, UDM SE, UDM Pro Max, UDM, ect) and build from there, without the foundational stuff of ubiquiti’s their plug and play stuff wont really bring any benefit over another brands, it’s their tight integration and Apple like set up processes that make UniFi desirable, none of which you will get by just picking up this NAS by itself
Not full disc encryption, only 1 10G port, no ability to expand RAM for caching, no pre-encrypting data before cloud backup, no NVME options? Many growing pains… but happy to see a start
I really wish that instead of Synology entering the network arena and now Ubiquiti entering the NAS arena they would have been better off by partnering together on the products and sticking to what they do best.
Hardware or software raid? Even TerraMaster understood the need for caching devices but Ubiquiti still doesn't as it seems. That's why the company going to see a lot of their devices resting at the store's shelves.
This is a new product. With most companies they want to get something out the door to insert themselves into the market. The options Tim points out will appeal to the non-technical and non-homelab crowd. To me, this device is the start of better things to come. Adding if NFS, Icisi, drive Cache I could see a max or enterprise box with say 10 or 12 bays with a faster processor and more ram. A price point of 799 or 899 people would buy that all day long with the updated improvements in my opinion. Right now, I'm happy to see they have entered the market and I look forward to future updates and improvements.
01:15 jesus christ, I fear that unifi hearing lot of youtuber say mild complain about RJ45-10gbit switches to the copper.. not adding it, switching to it. God no. Come on, if there should be wish for 2.5gbit or 10gbit copper.. first there should be praising of the sfp+ choice as the correct most manufacturers should make. DAC cable costs $13 and sfp+ based 10gbit switches and nics consumes less power, heatsup less and are generally less problematic.
I think what this Unify NAS loses out to Synology is the fact that it doesn’t support hybrid raids. Conventional raids forces the user to buy the exact same model and same capacity without the allowance of upgrades for higher capacities
Doesn’t seem to deserve its “Pro”title, but seems like a good base-level product for the money with a very limited storage-only focus. Hope that they release a true Pro version that has more respectable specs and at least allows Protect to be loaded.
its pro, not enterprise .. base level would be the single drive in a UDM
It has very respectable specs for a NAS. Remember this is not synology. It is not running a bunch of other apps and crap on it. It is purely a NAS, and it hits the speeds consistently. If you use faster SSD's it will max out the 10Gbps. Standard NAS's would be more 2.5GB Ethernet or 1gbps ethernet, like a lot of synology and qnap devices are. Pro fits well for the specs of this device and I am sure if it sells well UI will do an enterprise version based around the form factor of the UNVR enterprise.
The Pro version, having integration to Active Directory systems, and the consistent speed definitely puts it in the right category and price point.
Having tried running several apps off my Synology NAS, I don’t think I’ll ever do it again once I upgrade my network. Really big fan of keeping a NAS to storing, and putting apps on something dedicated and more powerful.
The lack of a cache is definitely killer though. They should address that fast.
I think that as a first product in this segment this is the correct approach. It solves the core for small business. I think the name should be changed to non pro as it doesn’t support pro features. I’d like to see a revision with multiple at least two m.2 drive support be named as pro with expanded support for nfs and iscsi. Then an enterprise solution with jbod expandability.
I think you are mixing up pro and enterprise.
@@omegatotal I think expandability is more enterprise than support for NFS and iSCSI. But you make a fair point.
I think the 10gbps SFP+ makes it a Pro version. You can get adaptors that can adapt 2.5" to m.2 if needed, but even standard SATA SSD's will max out a 10gbps connection. A non-pro would likely be 2.5gbps or even 1gbps ethernet, with the 4 bay option. I expect UI may do that and maybe an enterprise version if this version sells well.
As a note, try not to mix up NAS and SAN. Most NAS devices do not support iSCSI, as this is more of a SAN feature for the higher throughput and lower latency. NFS, sure a lot of NAS devices do support that and maybe that will be added if UI get the right amount of feedback. For a first release, this has a lot of features, including the integration to Directory Services, which I would not expect on a non pro device. This all lends the placement as a Pro branding as being pretty good, between standard and enterprise.
@@EsotericArctos very fair point. I agree we would need faster or bonded networking to take advantage of more.
Wait, it cannot even do basic file sharing protocols like NFS? That is unacceptable, iSCSI I can sort of understand to be missing in the first version (sort of, but this is 2024!!)
NFS :fast performance and low overhead,
SMB : reliability, security and compatibility
It supports SMB. So what is the problem? It is basically compatible with everything
NFS is for file sharing only, SMB is for sharing more than just files. Furthermore it is SMB allowing the box using e.g. LDAP/Active directory authentication, which is not possible with NFS (NFS uses authentication available on the box it is running on) etc... etc... It kind of depends of your environment whether SMB or NFS is most suitable. Just yelling "it does not support NFS what the...." is kinda short sighted. In most environments (small/medium and home businesses), windows authentication is a must, so it is normal that they first target this group of users and therefore first implement SMB. NFS is just another software stack they can add later on. Same for iSCSI. Knowing Ubiquiti, give or take 2 to 3 years and all of this will be available (look at what they did to the dream machine pro 😃 in a timespan of a couple of years)
@@RealLordy "It is basically compatible with everything"..........Except for pure Unix/Linux shops where SMB/CIFS performance is unacceptable when compared to NFS.
Completely agree, I would have expected NFS at a minimum. No NFS and/or iSCSI means this device won’t be an option for me.
@@thegreyfuzz LOL in a "pure" Linux shop who is running Ubiquiti gear? This stuff is for crazy home users (me) or small/medium mom+pop business or maybe like a dental/optometrist office. And being able to pop it right in and configure it in five minutes is EXACTLY the appeal for those users. LOL "unacceptable." Linux snobs are always a hoot.
I agree
Lot's of great points on why it falls short for being a main nas, Tim! Though I can see this being a good solution for backing up your main nas, TrueNAS, Synology, etc... It would be cool to see how well it plays with other nas systems.
The good news is that most can be addressed with software updates!
a lot of really good points here Tim. I like the Idea of the Cache Drive.... hopefully they can add that later in an update
Don't care about apps. This is a NAS. However, you didn't mention NFS support ? Not having NFS would be a deal breaker.
Asking the real questions. People are looking at this NAS and comparing it to other NAS' that aren’t just a NAS anymore.
This isn’t trying to be a mini server, VM host or docker cluster. It’s a NAS, Network Attached Storage.
Tell me more about it being a NAS please.
@@thmo_ Consider this. You have gigs and gigs of log files. You want to grep for a specific entry or series of events. You can either run that in a container on the nas and only network transfer your 1kb of results, or download gigs and gigs just to search through them.
It was mentioned by Tim, he said something like "It is just a nas, and if you want something like NFS share or iSCSI, this is not your usecase"
This, along with a dozen other videos released, will give you all the information you need. It is a NAS. Network Attached Storage. It is not a server, it is not pretending to run a bunch of apps. It's not pretending to be something it's not. It is exactly what it says on the box. It shares your files. iSCSI and NFS are not part of it at this stage. Maybe that will come if UI sell enough to warrant an enterprise version to be released. As much as NFS and iSCSI would be nice, that would put it outside of being just a NAS. That would start moving it to the SAN category and add the cost to it. NAS devices do sometimes add NFS, and maybe UI will add that if the get enough feedback on it. UI are pretty good like that
Encryption per Volume(Drive) instead of per Disk(drive) is to likely protect the data at rest in each Volume from being decrypted. If the key to 1 is compromised, the others are still safe. Seems like Ubiquiti wanted to take this approach as they have unique Drives for each permanent User assigned access to the NAS.
Thank you for keeping it short and to the point.
Your transfer rate for 4 drives in raid 10 is spot on and probably perfect for the fact it’s video files and they are small
No NVME for caching in 2024 has to be a crime at that price....
Not the 1st time that basic "modern" features are not present on their equipment.... 😂
I deal with the lack of nvme.
With all 7 bays running 10gbps is not a problem. The lack of apps or simple vm support is a problem for me. it around 2x the cost of this to get home Lab 15 from 45drives and a simple am4 based rig running with ecc memory and 2x the number of bays and multiple nvme and gpu support.
I currently have a full unifi network. And I have a full-size tower case with my old 5950x 64gb of ecc ddr4, rtx A4000, 9600-24i I have 2x 8tb intel ssd's and 12x 20tb from spd all running fine 2 of the 12 are hot spares
It's likely due to not having a battery powered storage controller that can take an m.2 too, since cached writes can result in data loss during a power outage. Maybe they'll make using their proprietary backup power mandatory to enable the feature in a future device.
100% agree....
@@ZoeyR86just in the unbuffered RAM alone you're halfway the cost of this Unifi unit. It's real problem is not allowing containers.
can you please share the fan noise (configurable in settings or not?) & power consumption in idle/running mode?? :)
Also interested in power consumption and does it support drive idle spin-down? Is the RAM upgradable?
Nascompares did both, the fans are pretty quiet and the in use power he got was around 75-80 watts, and the standby is 30-40 watts
@@metalmanexetreme lol i thougt with this low power cpu it should at least not use to much power. but this is way to much, if not full with big hdd's.
Rule 1 of life - do not buy gen1 of any tech.... Tech or car.......... Especially if it's tech for an actual business ..........You have been warned..... Don't pay to be the beta tester....... Especially apply this when it's a brand / company that you like or have had good experience with before..... Always, always treat every product/item/laptop/GPU/CPU as a new unknown, free from any positive previous experiences ....
Yep. Cough *Ugreen* cough. I was a Ugreen beta tester and got one of their units for free thankfully. I warned people who backed Ugreen on Kickstarter that they were going to also be beta testers but many didn't believe me. Many people were upset that they didn't get a retail ready NAS. They really expected a retail ready NAS from a company that was just getting into the NAS space?!
@@cdnron75 yeah, we live and learn.... I try learn from others mistakes, thanx to the internet :P .
I'm a Ugreen fan when it comes to basic cables and peripherals etc. A NAS (aka server) in a business...... No thank you.... I'd love to get my hands on 1 so I can scan it for possible vulnerabilities... The more you know....
Sadly, even "the best" NAS is worth little if it's not properly secured AND backed up, off-site , with regular data verification....
A BMW is a dangerous machine in the hands of an inexperienced driver..... Same with business tech. :)
Sir, step away from the period key.
@@jckf 🤣
This aint first gen. Its all parts from existing products. Basically a NVR with another OS. The hardware is solid, the software needs some work, but is doing what its supposed to right now. Your comment lacks nuance.
Love the plug for a freebie USP power backup for 'review and testing' :P
You are sooo good at these, how u got that down to eight and a half minutes is crazy! Well done!
Definitely a missed opportunity to not have ZFS and Ceph support. Even in a Ubiquiti eco-system, you're better off using an old Dell with Proxmox or TrueNAS for this. What's the power consumption of it during idle and/or under workload?
I understand creating a purely NAS product rather than a NAS that is also application server like Synology/QNAP. I do believe that UI Verify brings nice access controls to the data. However, CIFS/SMB + AFS does not a NAS make. Where's NFS and iSCSI??? If they are offering a 10Gbps NIC, then why is not also an iSCSI target? If Ubiquiti wants to play in the Enterprise or even in the serious Homelab realm, then iSCSI and NFS are going to be key requirements. Oh and where are the RAW LUN options? Is the file system EXT4, RAIDn?, Zfs, RAIDz?
I don't agree with 10G RJ45....I think they should have released it with dual SFP cages.
@@wojtek-33 if they put a 2.5G for RJ45 it would be better for sure , 1GB these days is limited
@@Bambo-DN Well the SFP+ was needed for those that want to get the most of this and if you're buying it you likely have one of their other switches with SFP+. But yeah, the 1Gb link should have been replaced with a 2.5. That port is only a few dollars more.
Can you add some information on the internals used by this NAS.
My guess ist that tehy use the linux devive mapper and LVM for the setup - but it is unclear how they use it and what are the actual raid levels.
Is it Raid 5/& or is it Raid 10? Can the Raid pools be extended after they are created? How does it work with mixed drives?
Also what Filesystem is used in the backend - Ext4 / XFS or BTRFS. and how are the Snapshots generated / stored?
These are all important questions to consider before a NAS is setup else the data inside is in a blackbox and can't be recovered if the main device fails...
Looks like a great product, for that price. Easy to configure. Just needs a few things to tweak it up to make it great.
Great video. I've been looking at getting a NAS, but as other people have said, the lack of NVMe cache seems a bit of a deal breaker, especially when similar priced options from the other big names in NAS offer this.
Also, complete sidenote, where did you get that 6 high portable rack?
Can you name a similarly priced 7 bay rack mounted NAS?
@@metalmanexetreme Not a rack mounted. But Terramaster offer the F6-424, 6-bay with NVMe cache, Asustor offer the Flashstor 6 (6 NVMe), QNAP do the TS-932PX-4G (9 bay, with SSD cache)
just wait for the UNAS-PRO-MAX for some extra features and improvments following their trend with the "MAX" addition to their products. This is still a steal at $499 for a solid file server solution compared to the others out there
Unifi had a few NVRs laying arround no one bought i guess😅
Noo ok at least they starzed something. This needs work. A lot of it!
Why no N100 or an equivalent AMD APU ?
😅
Always great work :)
Thanks, Tim 🙏
I actually like them taking a pure storage approach that said, that seems like they finished their NVR went "that's basically a NAS" and made a minimally viable experience. They got the core features, SMB is easily the most important but not having other protocols is a big miss, not having a cache is also very weird to me. It has its place but it's definitely nascent. Fix the few hardware oddities, add to storage protocols and management and i think it's in a pretty good spot. But until then it's a "well i need a share and i already have a ubiquiti network, good enough" type thing at best, but if it's critical you'll usually still lean towards more mature solutions for a while still
I think the main feature is it's one-click file sharing without having to open up port and such. simple and safe.
If they have app supports via docker containers and vm's i'd instantly buy it.
Hi there, thanks for the video.
I am looking to see the following:
1. iPhone and Android Applications to backup the pictures from the phone into the UNAS.
2. something similar to google documents to create office documents directly on the UNAS.
3. backup up one entire windows computer to the UNAS, similar to synology backup for business. .
Without NFS, iSCSI, and S3-compatible object storage this device will never be for me.
The lack of redundant 10G networking and support for caching drives feels like a disappointment when you start comparing this unit against rack mount solutions from other NAS vendors. Even if those units are more expensive.
Fingers crossed the UNAS+ Pro Ultra Gen2 Remix is more feature rich then an NVR Pro with 8GB of RAM
this product is a joke wehn you think it is a "pro" product
We need to accept this is a starter product. It’s a minimal viable product at this moment.
I don’t mind if there will be a seperate device that handles the compute part in the future and so you can make thing’s scalable. Imagine a server that runs apps that can be load balanced and uses these nas as a long term file storage.
The arm a57 in this storage product is not powerful enough to run any apps anyway.
I love the option to share a file with QR-Code or a direct Link. id love to have a 1U ubiquiti NAS for that
I saw another video where they said a link like that was possible. Not sure about a QR code though
Does it have AD/LADAP integration along with NTFS permissions? I can’t see from the videos so far that it does and so therefore just can’t see where this fits in the market. This, in its current format, might be ok for home users but it’s rack mounted so that implies they want businesses to take it seriously?
There is significant disconnect between the feature set and the typical Unifi user/market.
It’s a start, but despite being heavily embedded into the Ubiquiti ecosystem I won’t be replacing my custom built home headless ubuntu NAS/Server with it. Had I not got my server and were less techy or less keen to put the hours in this could be a consideration as it would cover some of my needs. What it needs though in my opinion is Cache support (with either built in SSD or NVME slot), more raid options, loose the screen and make it 8 drives, NFS, basic VM support, ability to add more RAM, greater Admin controlI, and NUT support to work with 3rd party UPSs. I do however like the ubiquiti integration and UI, ease of setup, the standard SFP+ 10Gb port (personally wouldn’t want 10Gb RJ45, but make sure it is compatible with an adapter module), the QR file sharing and the windows, Mac OS and Time Machine integration. Some of my concerns could be addressed with an updated I would of thought, but obviously not the hardware modifications. Would also be nice to know what the power draw is, one of the reasons I went the DIY route was the ability to really get the power draw down. Hopefully the next iteration will be better.
Gosh, I don't know a single TH-camr that didn't get one of these :), for simple storage looks ok.
I'd love to see UI do two more NAS devices, based around the form factor of the other two NVR ( the standard 4 bay and the Enterprise version) just to give a couple of different entry points into the market.
Waiting for the comparisons video (True NAS, Synology, QNAP, etc)
@@alonzosmith6189 for me the most NB thing with a NAS is this - can I pull the drives and access my data once I provide the decryption key.
With that in mind, my goto is virtualizing a NAS OS or storage system, that I know will allow me to easily access my data, once the key is provided.
How can it compare? It's literally a NAS just storage. Most people in this community expect being able to at least add containers to it.
Thanks for the video.
This NAS can definitely use some caching probably if we do SSD?
Also, it was not mentioned in the video the power consumption of this NAS.
Very cool. Does it support nfs and sas drives through
What rack model is it that you have the Unifi devices mounted on in the background?
Does it support nvme? Can you setup a SSD cache atleast?
Doesn't look like it. Big miss.
Would you recommend this NAS for my home theatre to use for streaming 4K content over my Zidoo player?
Ack I love Ubiquiti for networking, I'm a proxmox guy not sure if I will go this route? Great Review Thanks Tim!
Hi Tim,
After viewing another video on UniFi, I’ve a stupid question as this guy is using two unify switches (Pro Max 24 PoE and Aggregation) without using any gateway)
As I was looking for the “Dream Machine Pro Max”, what are the functionalities provided only by this gateway. At least :
- VPN access
- IDS / IPS
- NVR
Q1) Any nothing function ?
Q2) What are you thinking to use these two switches without a gateway ?
PS : and if you’re asking why a “pro max”, it’s because my ISP provides me a symmetrical 8 Gb/s throughput and this version has a better throughput with IDS/IPS.
The Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro Max (UDM Pro Max) is a high-performance gateway/router designed for advanced users and businesses. Here's a breakdown of your queries regarding its unique functionalities and suitability for your use case:
Features Exclusive to the UDM Pro Max:
VPN Access:
Provides built-in VPN server/client support.
Compatible with modern VPN protocols like L2TP/IPsec and third-party configurations.
Intrusion Detection/Prevention System (IDS/IPS):
Enhanced IDS/IPS capabilities with minimal throughput degradation, making it ideal for high-speed ISPs (like your 8 Gb/s symmetrical connection).
Uses the Unifi Threat Management system to monitor, detect, and block malicious traffic in real time.
Network Video Recorder (NVR):
Integrates with UniFi Protect, allowing local recording, management, and playback of security camera footage.
Supports up to 7 cameras at 4K resolution or 20+ cameras at 1080p.
Q1) Any "Nothing" Function?
The UDM Pro Max doesn't lack significant functionality in its category, but it focuses specifically on advanced networking and security features for UniFi environments. It lacks:
Wi-Fi access points: Unlike the basic UDM or UDM SE, the UDM Pro Max doesn't include a built-in Wi-Fi AP. External UniFi APs are required.
Legacy or Custom Firmware Compatibility: Ubiquiti devices have limited support for non-Ubiquiti systems or custom firmware.
Q2) Using Two Switches Without a Gateway?
If you plan to use two UniFi switches without a gateway:
Challenges:
Lack of centralized routing, firewall, and traffic management.
No IDS/IPS or VPN access features without a UniFi gateway or similar device.
Loss of advanced insights in the UniFi Controller, such as per-client traffic analysis.
Workarounds:
Standalone Mode: UniFi switches can operate in "standalone" mode but lose advanced features like VLAN routing, centralized management, and device group policies.
Third-Party Gateway: You can use another high-performance router to manage routing and connect to UniFi switches. However, this will fragment your setup and may limit the synergy of the UniFi ecosystem.
Why the Pro Max Makes Sense for Your Case:
With an 8 Gb/s symmetrical ISP connection, the Pro Max is the optimal choice because:
Its hardware supports line-rate IDS/IPS and firewall rules at high throughput, which is necessary to utilize the full capacity of your connection.
It can manage traffic seamlessly even under high load, something smaller models (like UDM Pro or UDM SE) would struggle with.
Its dedicated functionality for VPN, NVR, and threat management ensures you're future-proofing your network for advanced use cases.
@ Thanks you for this clear and precise answer 😉. Will purchase a UDM pro max beginning of next year
@ TBH it’s ChatGPT and took 25 seconds to copy paste the question and answer
No cache options on the horizon? Also does it support SAS?
What kills it for me is the lack of dual power supplies (even if they aren't hot swap, I'd still like redundancy) and especially the SINGLE 10G port. Even at that price point...is it really that much more expensive to add a 2nd 10G port? But yeah...I don't think this is a "Pro" device but it's still a VERY good entry as their first NAS. Like you said: a basic storage NAS with ease of management AND a 10G port at a VERY good price point. Coulda been better though.
8.5 minutes is all the attention this NAS deserves in its present condition (software-wise). :) It seems to be a nice start in NAS field for UniFi regardless
did you try jumbo frames?
Just a heads up the UNVR Pro has 8GB of ram, there is no difference between these two products other then the silk screen on the front.
How about making Drive available on UDMs and NVRs??
Is there currently a feature where you can backup client pcs? Like the active backup for business feature on synology nas?
if they're the exact same hardware (hopefully the ram's just a normal sodimm), it would be nice to be able to crossflash them
Synology has the built in app that allow M365 backups, anything on the UNAS for that?
Does the unas pro actually lock in to the mini rack in the video? or is it just sitting on the shelf?
@@zsiegel87 it locks. I have the UniFi 6u rack so i put it in there while testing
Would like to see the Software in UDM. Sometimes I need a small 10GB NAS without any Backup
I’d love for this to be the reason I give up my Synology. Not really feeling confident though…
They are not comparable at all in features. The Unfi "NAS" is very basic, but their market is prosumer or small business, seems like a disconnect. Some deficiencies can be addressed through FW upgrades, but right now it's a non-starter for most.
Not having apps can be off set with running them on pi's with the nasty mounted. But still i already have a synology. If this gets better and I need to upgrade then sure.
Thx for the info
6:08 how did you calculate 421 megabytes to 3.7 gigabits?
He probably just choked on the second three in 3.37
would love to see if using 6 or 7 spinning disks could result in better performance
I've not seen what that base file system is, but with only 8GB or RAM and no SSD caching, I'm assuming it's not ZFS. In this day and age, with the huge drives we see a modern file system seems like a must.
I believe it’s btrfs. It’s definitely something with potential. But no future for expansion or software updates to improve the experience for SOHO users. Corps would prefer AI for video storage, tracking, recompressing and camera alerts & processing, and I believe that’s their focus for 2025
Could you see them running protect off of this too?
Thanks, I was considering this but doesn't seem like a fit yet, but close.
Do you know how they redundancy works? Do they have something like SHR for mixed drive sizes?
Not likely currently
Does it take SAS drives?
Question becomes someone saving up for a hl15 jump on this instead of
SFTP can have reduced throughput on a 10 Gb network due to encryption overhead, whereas unencrypted protocols like SMB or NFS typically achieve higher speeds by avoiding this processing load."
Should’ve been able to run protect and had at least one nvme slot for cacheing as others have pointed out.
Does this support remote SMB or drive mapping while remote?
As I've mentioned on the NASCompares review video, I was excited until I discovered it does not have NFS or iSCSI, as I consider those services a fundamental requirement for even an entry-level NAS. I'd also love to see an NVMe RW/RO cache option.
I'd have instantly given UI my money if it had iSCSI, NFS, NVMe cache, and dual 10GB SFP+.
I guess those will come as a PRO MAX version :P
Waiting for the NAS pro MAX if it has docker/vm support.
What file system is being used under the hood? Hopefully ZFS and not something like BTRFS
According to nascompares even going into ssh he couldn’t find the info, but he speculates that because of the processor and speed of the snapshots and such he says it’s likely btrfs
@@metalmanexetremeindeed the specs are not up to par for anything ZFS, so it’s likely btrfs. Pity though something like Ceph would have given them object storage, and ZFS would have given them NFS and iSCSI build in. It looks promising though, but i will wait until they add some more features or release a model that includes these features.
Excellent review
Thank you!
good to see TIm :)
Can you throw in 7 SSD drives and test the 10g speeds?
Excellent for my needs!
NFS shares?
can you merge DRIve into UDM pro conosle so its one app and one log in?
UniFi UNVR-PRO is it 1:1, or is es t better?
SAS drive compatibility?
I came, I laughed, I cried, a true masterpiece
Does it really not support NFS?
Can it play 360 video?
I probably would not use this product but if I did it would probably only be on the back end as a backup location for encrypted client data
Sounds like it'll do for TrueNAS backups
Pity no NFS or iSCSI the barebone Storage solution is appealing.
Questions: How well would this work as a first Unifi device? And since you didn't mention it, I presume it's SATA only?
Do you have any UniFi networking gear, or when you say first UniFi device you are referring to picking this up to try an use it standalone of a UniFi network?
@@metalmanexetreme I mean I have precisely zero Unifi equipment in my setup.
@@truckerallikatuk oh yeah, not a good play on your part. If you wanna hop into UniFi stuff I’d start with a controller (unifi gateway max, UDM pro, UDM SE, UDM Pro Max, UDM, ect) and build from there, without the foundational stuff of ubiquiti’s their plug and play stuff wont really bring any benefit over another brands, it’s their tight integration and Apple like set up processes that make UniFi desirable, none of which you will get by just picking up this NAS by itself
Not full disc encryption, only 1 10G port, no ability to expand RAM for caching, no pre-encrypting data before cloud backup, no NVME options? Many growing pains… but happy to see a start
I really wish that instead of Synology entering the network arena and now Ubiquiti entering the NAS arena they would have been better off by partnering together on the products and sticking to what they do best.
I wonder if a Pro Max for $799+ will come with all the features you wanted. Cache drives, extensibility, more 10G (or faster), etc.
Hardware or software raid?
Even TerraMaster understood the need for caching devices but Ubiquiti still doesn't as it seems. That's why the company going to see a lot of their devices resting at the store's shelves.
No iSCSI?
Thanks Tim.
If this had NVME caching and iSCSi support i would get one in a heartbeat...
No RAID-6?
This is a new product. With most companies they want to get something out the door to insert themselves into the market.
The options Tim points out will appeal to the non-technical and non-homelab crowd.
To me, this device is the start of better things to come. Adding if NFS, Icisi, drive Cache I could see a max or enterprise box with say 10 or 12 bays with a faster processor and more ram. A price point of 799 or 899 people would buy that all day long with the updated improvements in my opinion. Right now, I'm happy to see they have entered the market and I look forward to future updates and improvements.
Well said! Totally agree. At $500, for what this is, this is a pretty decent entry. Hopefully it bodes well for later revisions!
Don't worry, there'll be an Enterprise Pro model soon with caching, NFS and iSCSI 🤣
can you back up files from your phone?
If it has samba sure, i use smbsync2 and material files to handle and access that.
Can I use this device to replace my Apple storage or my wife's Samsung storage? I'd prefer to keep photos and email in house.
still dont trust raid, I prefer unraid. I want my data intact. Unraid is really special just wish they had it working with SSDs already
01:15 jesus christ, I fear that unifi hearing lot of youtuber say mild complain about RJ45-10gbit switches to the copper.. not adding it, switching to it.
God no. Come on, if there should be wish for 2.5gbit or 10gbit copper.. first there should be praising of the sfp+ choice as the correct most manufacturers should make. DAC cable costs $13 and sfp+ based 10gbit switches and nics consumes less power, heatsup less and are generally less problematic.
I think what this Unify NAS loses out to Synology is the fact that it doesn’t support hybrid raids. Conventional raids forces the user to buy the exact same model and same capacity without the allowance of upgrades for higher capacities