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Thanks for the elaboration scape. I have a question, I saw some pink colors under the tiers. Will it cost acoins to unlock the tiers on top of the cost to purchase the mechs and weapons in that tier?
@@after5hock273 I don’t know but that’s kinda what I was saying and worried about; you basically have to upgrade stuff as payment to unlock the tier, then have to pay again to purchase the items like we used to on the old progress path. The problem is XP and playing seems to do nothing. Just upgrading previous tier stuff
Finally bringing everything to all players is the best part. The cost and wasted resources kill me morally. I feel bad for the newer players who WILL be forced to waste on mechs like Puma/Slingshot.
Yea I saw your video just now. I think they try to make it seem simple and maybe subtle. But this likely means all new items to come along will also require upgrading of previous material. I just don’t like the potential net resource loss.
@@scape211 Yeah. And we don't even know how far tiers will go. Everytime they add more weapons it might just be another tier on top of what you considered the "Max" tier. Then you're forced to spend on the previous on. I hope that's not the case.
@@KAXGaming yea I fear the same thing. Especially since they claimed trying to put new stuff on the current progress path was unrealistic due to it being hard to add somewhere properly.
@@scape211 Yeah no that was a load of BS. They know full well they could have just added stuff on the end of the current progress path and continued on but they wanted to restructure for this. It was just an excuse.
I completely agree. I happen to upgrade everything together, which has advantages, but it means I suck at saving, which will be problematic. I also don’t have disc launchers and know I won’t be able to get them😭
I totally agree with what you say about all of this. Sure, we now get access to all the mechs and weapons, but that doesn’t mean I want to buy EVERYTHING. Having to gather all of these resources for this is going to be a pain to do and then spend all of those resources on things we don’t want, only to then build up your resources AGAIN to get something that you want… my question is just WHY on Earth would we do that?!
It would have some value if the stuff you bought was at least viable but after the "rebalance" the gap between weapon and mech types only widened, so I can't see how people will be happy with it. I am guessing it will just divide the player base and put newcomers at a massive disadvantage.
Oh man…. I agree this looks like a nightmare… so for those of us who have Legendary mechs… to get a new legendary weapon in a path we don’t have (in my case mini guns) if we are going to have to build up the path… I had to drop my Arc 10’s which were 6* level 6 because they weren’t giving enough damage quickly enough. The thought of having to start with low level paths is just insane imo.
@@bamboo1763 I hear you bro, the Arcs are good. But the “rebalance” (quotes because it was way more than that it killed my hanger) and introduction of Bastions to bots caused my Arcs a massive problem, I just couldn’t kill them with the two clips. The Gatecrasher, Onyx’s everywhere didn’t help either. I found I was getting killed quicker by so many weapons, where as before the rebalance my Arcs killed everything super fast except for a few weapons that dealt the damage quicker.
I’m just going to say it right here and now. Adding tiers to a game that has made a lot of common, uncommon, and rare mechs/weapons mostly useless for end game (even before that) against epic and legendary weapons/mechs is going to crush a lot of players. It’s making the grind worse for those of us who already understand how trash the current game has become. It’s become more cookie-cutter over time and stripped away playing however you want. These devs know that unless you spend money you won’t possibly reach the top end grade items unless you wait a very long time saving up resources. The fact that much has been nerfed compared to the few that has been buffed is STAGGERING.
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I suspect that they are trying to create a whole new way of playing that revolves entirely around new players. All players joining the game after this is implemented will not know any differently and tbf, it may well work for them. It is only those that have been playing the game a while that will suffer. Don't forget - the harder/longer they make it to get to the next tier, the more people will be willing to pay for what they are after to get it sooner. Also, let's say they bring out a new mech in a lower tier, are they going to stop current players from getting it as we have technically not unlocked it and have no points from the tier below? Of course, we don't know any of this until it's live, but if it is as it sounds, that may well be the end of my time with this game.
The older path was simpler and could have easily accommodated new weapons and mechs provided they thought about random drops closely and making their boxes/drops a little better even with the gold boxes I keep getting blueprints for weapons with 2 or 4 energy seriously guys wtf should i do with them? Cant scrap em !, cant trade them! can't customize shit ! . This game had something good going for them. They keep screwing up with things which were actually working. To be honest the new system makes it even more difficult to get legendary stuff unless you shell out money lately it's been all about that. I am almost over the edge with their shenanigans. Keep doing this plarium and you will lose players definitely!!
We can only hope they improve matchmaking soon. If I can play mostly with rare mechs and also only be matched with mostly other rares, I wouldn't mind that much. But I already have most of the mechs and weapons I like, unlike other players. Blueprint acquirement will keep getting worse with current system the more new stuff they add
2:50 Also, I noticed Guardian and shadow doesn't have any stars when we unlocked them. My concern is when we unlock Legendary teir, will those items also start with Zero stars? If yes, then image the grind 💀. Pls, address this to the Devs 🙏
It looks like they will be 3 stars and Freya did talk about getting Ares at the natural 3 stars. So it was less a concern to me. However, if they do pull that kinda stuff it will be bad for sure!
This is how I feel like they should have made mech arena when the new progress path comes out instead of unlocking stuff using stars ✨ you get to choose witch mech you unlock at witch tier And the mech you didn’t choose you will get the chance to unlock that mech later on in the game on the new progress path and the same thing goes for the weapons as well that’s how they should have made the game from the start because that is the same way you unlock stuff in brawl stars as well
At this moment they need to increase the drop rate of blueprints and especially acoins and credits to balance out the things. Players can earn atleast 3k acoins (without playing tournament) by doing daily and weekly events and by saving some fortune keys. Which is big problem for f2p players, just think about to unlock tier 3 we need upgrade Slingshot to 18 energy (4th rank) which need atleast 8.5k acoins and tons of credits. Even if we get some acoins and credits form tournament still it will be not enough. They really messed up 😢
Forget about tournament... the fact everyone starts at novice no matter what you have means that if you don't have high tier stuff it is nigh impossible to win anything.
I think they will definitely reduce the cost or add more ways for acoins. A cool feature might be to buy acoins from credits like how we do with 15 acoins for 1k credits. If devs will be greedy then around 75% of the community will probably leave. It will be like the French Revolution
Oh like a reverse method of resource transfer? Yea thats an interesting idea. However, this game also needs TONS of credits as you upgrade. So people will likely still be stuck at times even with an ability to transfer credits up. I really hope they do either make things cheaper or add more ways to get currency. I know many have been seeing ads lately. Maybe this is one way.
Exactly my point, they are forcing us to invest in things we aren't going to use at all, at the same time f2w players already have limited resources so we can only quit and look for another game 😥
Great video !This is a double edged sword... Great we get access to all the gear... bad in the fact it will probably now cost a lot more... I hope they up the rewards to compensate for the exta expenses....
We hate GREEDY game developers. They are always trying to find ways for us to spend as much as possible. They are killing their own game. Thank you Scape211 for all that you do. Please don't change the way you are. 👍
I started playing MA the Friday before the mech and weapon 'balance' update from a few weeks ago. So for me these changes all depend on how they're implemented. Sounds like I might have to go back and get stars on Paragon and Lancer.
The video doesn't say that if you already have stuffed leveled up you will get to carry over those upgrades to move up a tier. So upgrading now may be moot.....unless i missed something.
The only thing I can think of that could maybe help with this is a downgrade system for weapons and mechs that you can get some resources back like they do for implants. Not likely but one can hope.
Im already stuck making My hangar cookie cutter asf from pilots and the grade update now I got to upgrade all my crappy stuff smh I already have a hard time upgrading my mechs and weapons as is ugh Ty scape u fr are all our voices much respect
This seems like a really interesting update. My concern is that it will take away weapons that we have unlocked but haven't bought. My example is that, I've unlocked dl8 but I haven't been able to buy it yet. I'm wondering if this update will make it inaccessible for me again. I've bought the battle pass so that I have enough credits but now I'm worried that it will just go to waste. Also, will the old progress path actually give more hard to earn resources such as acoins. Because at the moment that max amount of acoins you can get is 100 even with the random reward at the end.
If you unlocked but don’t buy it (or rather have in your inventory as useable) I suspect it won’t be available after this update. So if it’s an item you want on the current progress path, I would get it if you can.
@@scape211 it is. The only issue is that it is mighty expensive. I'm just going to hope that the battle pass has time to finish before the update because that is my only hope of getting it
for everyone wondering they did say that you will be keeping your currently bought mechs/weapons but the mechs/weapons that you haven't bought or unlocked yet will still be locked, you will keep getting the blueprint to all the mechs/weapons that you have unlocked tho
I really wonder how this tier system will look for us who are far into the game. I just unlocked (and bought) Brickhouse. Will all tiers be unlocked for me already, or will I have to buy Slingshot, Puma and the others to unlock certain parts of the tiers? My goal now is to save up enough A-coins to buy Surge, but OH LORD IF THEY WILL FORCE ME TO SPEND A COINS ON MECHS I DON'T CARE FOR AT ALL THEN I WILL FLIP.
Yea no idea how they will make the system work for us long standing players. Hopefully they will put us in a realistic spot given your SP or inventory.
Realistically they need to make money. So it can’t all be free or too easy to get. But this is too much in the other direction. Unrealistically slow progression or spend. That’s pretty bad
@@scape211 yeah… I understand they need to make money but if every price is the same as now, it will take forever to get something like surge or discs and rail guns for example so I at least want the price of everything to go down or you can get more resources like you said.
I believe they need to lower the Acoins Purchasing in upgrading mechs and weapons by a huge margin. To make it a smooth transition for the less viable mechs and weapons.
Good video, thnx. At 1st I didn't mind the change, but I see now having to waste resources on lower level stuff is crazy. 🤦♂️ With that said, there are lots of games (console and otherwise) that use this formula.
I was planning on upgrading bastion and arc6 and arc 10. Now I am like, I have to get disc 12s and if I can get another 50000 experience before this goes into effect I need surge before it unattainable for half a year.
Match making is already a problem….will this make it worse? My bots are all over the map as I have focused on upgrading my main players…..will I have to go back & upgrade the balance? Surprised they haven’t implemented a method to “sell off” unwanted/ unused items.
I have a concern if you do not mind commenting on, atm is a struggle to upgrade mechs weapons do to ACOINS. Will this update mean more heavy on needing money, its a struggle to do well with so many pay 2 wins out there. Makes me feel like me being free 2 play is there to bend over for pay 2 wins. Bad enough i face people 2 or 3 times higher then my 2713 and atm i do not know if this game is worth the time or not. ( any help and comment would be great from you )
They want money dude Now see For tier 1 you need to upgrade puma to rank 1 to rank 4 or 5 After you reach tier 2 you need to do same thing for shadow So they are practically forcing players to buy acoins to speed up the process of moving up the tiers This game was good beforr global launch but they ruined it with their damn garbage updates
@@rahulgovekar4737 I am struggling horrifyingly bad and sometimes i face people who dominate the game with a 30 kill battle and sometimes more i can not compete with this and now i struggle to play makes me want to give up and i have never given up ever
I think they should RE-MAKE the progress path, 2 ways, 1. Add the items to the original one: the weapons and mechs is going to be added to the original progress path which is simple, VERY simple 2. Make a new one: the 2nd progress path will contain all the special items (by special I mean the unavailable ones)
I mean they are kinda making a new one, but also changing the old one to basically have little value at all. I'm not sure how this will all go, but for now it doesnt look too promising.
I already got everything I wanted from the progress path, and bought a few things(regrettably) but hey, at least I'll finally be able to get EM Rifle 12 for Bastion
they likely wont be too effected in the current meta. However, it depends on what they have unlocked/upgraded in the tiers to know where they will sit. And this will likely affect how new items come into the system.
As you say, seems like another means of generating $$ from the game. Obviously, the P2P players will progress faster than people not willing to shell out $$ for quick advancement. Bottom-line, is the developers want/need to get paid for their efforts. Can't blame them, just not going to shell out significant $$ to move along on the progress path.
Yea I agree. Always feel the devs deserve to get paid when the models are fair. I used to spend money on this game, but as the system has become harder and harder to progress in, I've spent less. Just a personal choice.
Yea that might be true. But if the player has what they need to keep doing it, they may. I hope this helps MM and exploitation. But given how things have been going I worry it will just be worse.
This just looks like they are moving the game to a tier based game play system just like world of tanks and warships, warthunder and so on. This won't be a problem so long as they increase the amount of resources we can aquire.
When is this stuff happening btw? I have brickhouse etc, but I'm still saving for surge atm (really the only progress path mech I still want). And what about stuff we have unlocked but not brought yet - will it be locked again? As the only thing on the progress path still locked for me is railgun16s. Thats what I'm most worried about - the surge I've been saving for that's 'unlocked' but not yet purchased being locked out - (and needing to dump more acoin into another mech, slowing down my intended use).
@@scape211 Yep and hope they either decrease the price or make both credits and A coins more gatherable which will make progressing through the tier balanced
I’m still confused what this means if you’re in late game? I’ve been playing for 2 years and I have mechs and weapons of all kind, how will they all fit, and what tier will they be placed in? There’s just so many things that don’t make sense and it sucks bc they really are making their own game worse 🤦🏽♂️
its hard for me to say since we dont have it live yet. But you will keep all you currently have and it should apply to the tier system respectively. I dont know where it will put you for the tiers though.
I also have a question Like do you they can make it a TON worse by putting first stuff you putchrase in the old proggres path then the exclusive content, can it be that more worse?!
I think even the upgrade price will change, cuz in the pic that you showed, Guardian and Shadow costs the same. They both costs 1125 A-Coins, so maybe even the level and rank upgrade will probably change for the mechs and weapons based on their rarity. Anyway, it's just my thoughts .
Well honestly they turned the Game from a pay-to-win Game to a pay-to-fast Game.This kinda works for me... Progress is longer and expensive but at least You can progress without real money
that is true, but the road to progression will be much longer imo. And since its already a hard grind to get the items you want and save up for, it will be even longer. I suspect people will either burn out and leave or cave in and spend before they get close to the end. But we will have to see when it comes out.
New game for me and loving it, but not sounding good, going forward. I always thought they needed a recycle centre to trade your old unused weapons for coins to upgrade your favourites. No chance of that ever happening. Also how good would some saved fit outs be. Time consuming having to change load outs between game styles. E.g. 5v5 more enclosed map you might use short rage weapons vs checkpoint open map you may use more 🤬 mortar. 😂 then of course every time you change you'd ideally want to change pilots/implants. Definitely a lot of working parts. Let's see if they listen to you. :p
Ah you mean liked saved loadouts? Yea the partners have brought this up to them before a few times. I dont think they are opposed as its a nice quality of life update, but its likely low on their list of priorities right now.
I have a doubt I have unlocked every mech till surge,and the gear hub has many paid mechs will I need to start from tier 3 or 4 to get all those paid mechs or will I unlock everything to that point?
Awesome review yet again Scape. I understand your own take better than the original vid from ma official. Anyhow, u kinda soften the blow a bit back there. Just say it as it is. It a shitshow! Literally everyone is excited to get their hands on premium items. Especially f2p players. Unfortunately they had to F it up somehow.
It won't be a big deal. I counted the stars I had on my green quality mechs, and it would have been enough. Same with blue quality. I still run my Ares in my 11k hanger. Nothing is gonna change, just like the last patch never "broke" the game like everyone predicted.
The last patch vastly changed the game in terms of value for those who used stuff less than top tier. I know you have stuff set now, but if the upgrade process is gonna be harder and more expensive, it will affect all new players who may not bother sticking around. And it could make all new items added harder to get as it gets stuck in the end of the progress path. It might not be that way, but the past upgrade and others before like pilots haven’t been favorable to me. I worry this will be more of the same. We will have to see though.
I dont know yet, but when she used the example of slingshot and plasma cannon it kinda answered that. She needed 10 total stars and both started at 2 star (thats 4), then upgraded both to rank 5 (6 more; 3 added stars each to make 10 total). So I believe the current stars we have will apply. But if you focused on some items more than others (as most do) we may have to upgrade some old stuff to move up in tiers. I really am not sure though.
I'm not a defender of plarium but I'm confused about some of the things you're saying. From what I can tell you don't need to upgrade specific mechs, can include weapons too, plus 5 really isn't a lot cumulatively. You don't even have to play these mechs. For existing players we'll have most of it unlocked anyway and thirdly you can be running a 6 star puma and still get matched in low ranking games because it's SP lvl is so small now that they've changed these values. This is why I keep seeing 6 star javs in my games because they're not worth a lot of SP. It's actually a good idea to lvl up strong rare stuff to 6 star
*From what I can tell you don't need to upgrade specific mechs, can include weapons too* You could be right, but from the screens shown by them, it appears mechs and weapons are in separate sections of tiers. I cant tell right now if they will be linked in the same tier or different ones. If its the same, you still need to upgrade them. *plus 5 really isn't a lot cumulatively* In the example she used, she took slingshot and plasma cannons up to 5 stars each. Taking slingshot from 2 stars to 5 stars takes about half a million credits and about 5k acoins. You would need to roughly double that for plasma cannon 2s. Now you dont have to upgrade these items. You could spread it out among other items in the tier. But it depends on whats in the tier and the star rank you need to move up. In any case, you need to spend (or waste) these resources just to unlock the next tier. Which may or may not have other items you dont want, but still need to upgrade. You dont need to use any of these mechs, but we already have little resources to upgrade the items we DO use to play and survive. Let alone spread these resources to other items. *For existing players we'll have most of it unlocked anyway* This part is entirely true. Those of us who have a lot unlocked likely wont be too affected. But it does mean the lower to middle part of the playerbase will have a much harder time catching up to us and create a larger gap for them to climb. *thirdly you can be running a 6 star puma and still get matched in low ranking games because it's SP lvl is so small now that they've changed these values* This may be the case. Its hard for me to tell how this will work right now. It could make matching better overall or it could make it worse. I just get concerned because it hasnt been great for many right now. All in all, my focus here was to share my concerns. This update could work out ok. But I wasnt a fan of pilots, event crate rushes, play-offs, or the grade update overall. So I am a bit cautious about how this will go. But if you have had a good experience, thats great! Keep enjoying it and we will see how this update goes when it actually drops.
@@scape211 ye fair enough. I was under the impression that if you bought a mech from the shop, then upgraded that, this would count to the amount of stars you needed, so you wouldn't have to do it to specific mechs for each tier. However I appreciate new f2p players are stuck with a handful of mechs, so they have to do this. Tbh it's hard to have much sympathy for f2p players in regards to this process. This isnt that type of game, and even in the current system most f2p players are indeed upgrading bad mechs and bad weapons as they don't have the acoins for anything else, hence it's something they would have done anyway? I'm speculating of course, not entirely sure
Are tiers skippable. As a player with higher mechs leveled, will I be able to skip earlier tiers. An example would be this; I dont have enough stars in tier 2 to unlock tier 3, but I have enough stars in tier 7 to unlock tier 8. Will I have access to tier 8, or will it be locked until I have finished all previous tiers.
This doesn't address the main problems with the game. Majority of mechs and weapons are irrelevant, and it still takes up to $200-300 to max one mech or weapon. One weapon dominates the game (Em). New tank mechs crumble like cookies. The beloved tengu or killshot or guardian or shotgun (that people paid for or worked hard to max out) are now close to worthless. And on and on. People keep leaving the game in frightening numbers.
Another thing I'm wondering is after this happens, if we buy something legendary will we not get BPs for those things unless we upgrade our tiers? If so that's completely unacceptable
no - anything you have in your inventory can show up in crates. But you wont get blueprints for items you dont have that are not in a currently unlocked tier. So for example, lets say you are in tier 5, but you have bastion who is in tier 6. When you open crates, you can get items from tier 5 and below AND bastion. But not other tier 6 items. Make sense? Hopefully i said that clearly!
@Scape211 Gaming yeah makes sense, was thinking of getting redox in flash deals at 5* since I have like 86 bps for it, guess should do it before this update comes. But yeah this system as tiers instead of accumulative stars seems pretty nasty, for newer players and mid game this is really really going to hurt their progress. The grind will be incredibly long. Like I've spent some, not a ton but enough to get to now whats almost a 10k hanger, to do it f2p is gonna take players years like this if they don't increase res given out for weeklies and dailies etc. I feel like this is going to be more p2p oriented then the game is now. People will either get fed up trying to grind to get good stuff and pay or quit. How they think this will improve the game is beyond me
It sucks, if they gonna take away the mechs that i own and use it on my hangar im gonna be real mad Also they need to lower the costs, its nearly impossible to grind for resources (especially for light mechs, they cost a lot in every way)
Do you think we that have been here a while will need to start at teir 1 and work our way through, or do you believe that resources spent over the last few years will be retroactively applied to our current progress? If you do not know, how can we find out? Advil
I dont know yet, but when she used the example of slingshot and plasma cannon it kinda answered that. She need 10 total stars and both started at 2 star (thats 4), then upgraded both to rank 5 (6 more). So I believe the current stars we have will apply. But if you focused on some items more than others (as most do) we may have to upgrade some old stuff to move up in tiers. I really am not sure though.
@Scape211 Gaming I was thinking there may be a few gaps we will need to patch to move up to where we are. If they give us full credit for past upgrades, hopefully, we only need a star or 2 to get back to where we were.
Man I havent played T3 in a while. Didnt seem like it really picked up on this channel and I just dont have the skill for it. But its a great game! if you enjoy it, keep it up :)
Yes - any mech or weapon you upgrade in a given tier will help towards unlocking the next tier. However, upgrading items from the previous tier wont help. For example, if you are in tier 2 and you need 1 more star to get to tier 3, you cant upgrade the rank of an item in tier 1 to get to tier 3. You can only upgrade items in tier 2 to move to tier 3. Hope that helps.
Scape, But when this update comes. Will everyone lose all their weapons and mechs and you gotta grind them again Pls i just want to know, i dont want to play MA so much to get my mechs back.
I'm more curious about matchmaking. Is it gonna be only tier based? Like tier 2 players only matched with tier 2 people? And what about buffed bots? Will they be changed accordingly to my tier as well?
Not sure how it will be all around, but I do know that on my alt that currently has the gear hub, I face people in my tier, but also above my tier as well as plenty of people who buy stuff early. Bots stay roughly around my tier and sometimes go higher depending on my win ratio and win streak to a degree. I would expect this to stay about the same for all players once this drops for everyone.
@@scape211 so, the game will be Grindy but more tolerable Cause I don't like the current matchmaking system. I've no idea how many times I opened the app and frustratingly quit after playing one or two matches cause the opponents are like Op beyond belief
I have a little over 7k a-coins that I have hoarded for mechs like Bastion and Gatecrasher that are near ranking. I also have numerous weapons that are ready to rank. I now wonder if I should stop waiting for the mechs and go ahead and upgrade or purchase a few legendary weapons...or hold on to them in case I find myself having to rank items I don't currently use in order to unlock access to these weapons all over again.
thats a good question. I would say if there are things on the current progress path that you want, you may want to ensure you get them now. My thinking is that its better to make sure you have things you want now rather than see if you can get them later. Hopefully that helps.
@@scape211 absolutely. I have unlocked all the mechs and weapons on the current path so I may be ok so long as the new tier system doesn't force me to re-earn them since I haven't purchased some of them due to budgeting A-coins. I also wonder if my progress with ranking certain mechs, Panther @7 stars for example, will suddenly make previously locked weapons, that used to be acquired through events or actually buying, available because of the progress already made in the tier they will be set in...if that makes sense...lol If so I may find myself wanting to use A-coins there. ARRGHH...they are completely wrecking my strategy...🤣
hey, do you know if i still can buy mechs that i have unlocked in the progress path but haven't buyed yet? for example: I have unlocked surge but haven't bought it yet as i dont have enough a coins. can I still buy it after the update?
I hate the idea of wasting resources on ranking up things I’ll never use again. Instead, I think it would be more fair to have a certain amount of xp you need to earn by using mechs/items in a specific tier in order to advance, with an option to use resources to accelerate advancement if you choose.
I like that idea too! Maybe like achievements you need to complete with those specific mechs/weapons and upgrading could be some of the achievements as well. Interesting idea overall.
@@scape211 achievements could be cool, and might keep it from feeling like too much of a slog if you’re trying to advance without using resources. Hopefully plarium reworks this a bit…I don’t think I’ve seen a single positive reaction to this new system they’re proposing.
My fear is that this system might create a roadblock for newer players such that they can't get enough stars quickly and being stuck on the same level will increase their frustration and they will leave the game. There are many games I have played where the first few days it was easy to progress but then I would hit such a roadblock and just end up quitting that game, this could be what MA would turn into for new f2p players . Definitely worse compared to the old progress path, old players may find this good but can't say for sure.
Wait,do You think plarium would care Even in the slightest for f2p players? Dude,no offense,but that's simply wrong As surprising as it is, plarium is owned by a literal gambling machine software company
@@superfighter3301 why would they? Mech arena is only one of many games plarium has,and if the game finally dies,they would probably take what's left,rename it , relaunch it and repeat the cycle
@@nomoredlc593 your kinda right. If plarium is a whole "gambling machine software" they wont really care about a pretty good game of them dies like pay to win players would eventually max out everything and if the game couldn't be played anymore by free to play players and they quit, it would mean losses for the company, BUT if plarium is what you said then yeah they wont give a crap
@@superfighter3301 and adding the fact that plarium has dozens of games,one would deduce that mech arena is doomed at this point,increasing the paywalls for the Game for as long as possible,and when people get tired of it and retire from the Game and then it dies,plarium will simply make a new Game to scam as much money as possible
As a new player I feel that I can’t get good mechs unless I buy them. Already there’s no way I can get Killshot. At first I even thought Slingshot was Killshot and ranked him up. Anyway I still enjoy it but yeah. Sounds like a cashgrab.
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Thanks for the elaboration scape. I have a question, I saw some pink colors under the tiers. Will it cost acoins to unlock the tiers on top of the cost to purchase the mechs and weapons in that tier?
@@after5hock273 I don’t know but that’s kinda what I was saying and worried about; you basically have to upgrade stuff as payment to unlock the tier, then have to pay again to purchase the items like we used to on the old progress path. The problem is XP and playing seems to do nothing. Just upgrading previous tier stuff
@Xxfiro64 well everything includes em rifles
You the GREATEST Scape211
If the game started like this, maybe it wouldnt be so harsh, but as an update this is garbo.
Finally bringing everything to all players is the best part. The cost and wasted resources kill me morally.
I feel bad for the newer players who WILL be forced to waste on mechs like Puma/Slingshot.
Yea I saw your video just now. I think they try to make it seem simple and maybe subtle. But this likely means all new items to come along will also require upgrading of previous material. I just don’t like the potential net resource loss.
@@scape211 Yeah. And we don't even know how far tiers will go.
Everytime they add more weapons it might just be another tier on top of what you considered the "Max" tier.
Then you're forced to spend on the previous on. I hope that's not the case.
@@KAXGaming yea I fear the same thing. Especially since they claimed trying to put new stuff on the current progress path was unrealistic due to it being hard to add somewhere properly.
@@scape211 Yeah no that was a load of BS.
They know full well they could have just added stuff on the end of the current progress path and continued on but they wanted to restructure for this.
It was just an excuse.
New players will def get hit harder. Waiting a long time to get this out too probably incentivizes ppl to buy stuff now
I completely agree. I happen to upgrade everything together, which has advantages, but it means I suck at saving, which will be problematic. I also don’t have disc launchers and know I won’t be able to get them😭
Oh man, I feel bad for you. I worked so hard just to get the 8 energy ones, and man, was the credit grinding hard. This game starves us in resources.
I totally agree with what you say about all of this. Sure, we now get access to all the mechs and weapons, but that doesn’t mean I want to buy EVERYTHING. Having to gather all of these resources for this is going to be a pain to do and then spend all of those resources on things we don’t want, only to then build up your resources AGAIN to get something that you want… my question is just WHY on Earth would we do that?!
That’s the point of progress? It’s like in a game you need to buy an upgrade to get to the max upgrade you want
It would have some value if the stuff you bought was at least viable but after the "rebalance" the gap between weapon and mech types only widened, so I can't see how people will be happy with it.
I am guessing it will just divide the player base and put newcomers at a massive disadvantage.
@@LynxxGD yeah WHAT YOU WANT
Oh man…. I agree this looks like a nightmare… so for those of us who have Legendary mechs… to get a new legendary weapon in a path we don’t have (in my case mini guns) if we are going to have to build up the path…
I had to drop my Arc 10’s which were 6* level 6 because they weren’t giving enough damage quickly enough. The thought of having to start with low level paths is just insane imo.
bro not enough damage tf
my ares get shredded by that
@@bamboo1763 I hear you bro, the Arcs are good. But the “rebalance” (quotes because it was way more than that it killed my hanger) and introduction of Bastions to bots caused my Arcs a massive problem, I just couldn’t kill them with the two clips. The Gatecrasher, Onyx’s everywhere didn’t help either.
I found I was getting killed quicker by so many weapons, where as before the rebalance my Arcs killed everything super fast except for a few weapons that dealt the damage quicker.
Wow they managed to kill the entire game in 2 updates
Correct that's why I quit the game.
I quit too
They're killing their own game
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100% true
Sadly true.
I’m just going to say it right here and now. Adding tiers to a game that has made a lot of common, uncommon, and rare mechs/weapons mostly useless for end game (even before that) against epic and legendary weapons/mechs is going to crush a lot of players. It’s making the grind worse for those of us who already understand how trash the current game has become. It’s become more cookie-cutter over time and stripped away playing however you want. These devs know that unless you spend money you won’t possibly reach the top end grade items unless you wait a very long time saving up resources. The fact that much has been nerfed compared to the few that has been buffed is STAGGERING.
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It’s like watching a guy sawing off the branch he’s sitting on and then wondering how he got in the hospital
And the guy is plarium
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I suspect that they are trying to create a whole new way of playing that revolves entirely around new players. All players joining the game after this is implemented will not know any differently and tbf, it may well work for them. It is only those that have been playing the game a while that will suffer. Don't forget - the harder/longer they make it to get to the next tier, the more people will be willing to pay for what they are after to get it sooner.
Also, let's say they bring out a new mech in a lower tier, are they going to stop current players from getting it as we have technically not unlocked it and have no points from the tier below?
Of course, we don't know any of this until it's live, but if it is as it sounds, that may well be the end of my time with this game.
Cause they know their loyal playerbase that's been around since the beginning are leaving.....😂😂😂😂
The older path was simpler and could have easily accommodated new weapons and mechs provided they thought about random drops closely and making their boxes/drops a little better even with the gold boxes I keep getting blueprints for weapons with 2 or 4 energy seriously guys wtf should i do with them? Cant scrap em !, cant trade them! can't customize shit ! . This game had something good going for them.
They keep screwing up with things which were actually working. To be honest the new system makes it even more difficult to get legendary stuff unless you shell out money lately it's been all about that. I am almost over the edge with their shenanigans. Keep doing this plarium and you will lose players definitely!!
Yeah thank you I wwas so mad that i deleted my plarium account
We can only hope they improve matchmaking soon. If I can play mostly with rare mechs and also only be matched with mostly other rares, I wouldn't mind that much. But I already have most of the mechs and weapons I like, unlike other players. Blueprint acquirement will keep getting worse with current system the more new stuff they add
2:50 I hate that they increased guardians cost! Now imagine that with surge
Oh I thought that was about the same cost guardian is now. But given the need to upgrade stuff before hand, it’s kinda more anyways.
@@scape211 i thought it was originally 975 or sth acoins and it just got increased. A comment on another video made me think about that
@@tubois2025 oh ok. You could be right. I forgot tbh
@@scape211 see in this image shadow’s price it is decreased
@@scape211 no worries, it’s just an „interesting“ detail;) no one could have seen that
I do agree The whole star ranking thing It seems a bit much But will be good at least For the original players
Yea that’s true; us OG players will likely have a leg up in some sense. That said I’m still concerned about all this…
@@scape211 Me too
Unless they increase price for meta mechs like surge.
2:50 Also, I noticed Guardian and shadow doesn't have any stars when we unlocked them. My concern is when we unlock Legendary teir, will those items also start with Zero stars? If yes, then image the grind 💀. Pls, address this to the Devs 🙏
You can see a grayish star outline that shows how many stars it will have when you get it
It wont be at 0 stars
@@Humam4327 thanks bro, finally something good 😯💨
It looks like they will be 3 stars and Freya did talk about getting Ares at the natural 3 stars. So it was less a concern to me. However, if they do pull that kinda stuff it will be bad for sure!
This is why you don't upgrade stuff you aren't currently using but might eventually nonsense like this will happen
Game officially doesn't care what you like anymore. You use the "better stuff" or you can't even progress. Yay Plarium 🙄
Correct Ruff and that's why I quit the game. R.I.P. MA 💀
Talk about incentivizing PTW for your game...
Lovely... I hope they match Tiers in Match making then...
This is how I feel like they should have made mech arena when the new progress path comes out instead of unlocking stuff using stars ✨ you get to choose witch mech you unlock at witch tier And the mech you didn’t choose you will get the chance to unlock that mech later on in the game on the new progress path and the same thing goes for the weapons as well that’s how they should have made the game from the start because that is the same way you unlock stuff in brawl stars as well
At this moment they need to increase the drop rate of blueprints and especially acoins and credits to balance out the things. Players can earn atleast 3k acoins (without playing tournament) by doing daily and weekly events and by saving some fortune keys. Which is big problem for f2p players, just think about to unlock tier 3 we need upgrade Slingshot to 18 energy (4th rank) which need atleast 8.5k acoins and tons of credits. Even if we get some acoins and credits form tournament still it will be not enough. They really messed up 😢
Forget about tournament... the fact everyone starts at novice no matter what you have means that if you don't have high tier stuff it is nigh impossible to win anything.
Hopefully all the new things they release from now on os legendary so once we get there the game can kind of balance itself out once again
All being legendary makes sense. I don’t know if that’s the goal but we will see
I think they will definitely reduce the cost or add more ways for acoins. A cool feature might be to buy acoins from credits like how we do with 15 acoins for 1k credits. If devs will be greedy then around 75% of the community will probably leave. It will be like the French Revolution
Oh like a reverse method of resource transfer? Yea thats an interesting idea. However, this game also needs TONS of credits as you upgrade. So people will likely still be stuck at times even with an ability to transfer credits up. I really hope they do either make things cheaper or add more ways to get currency. I know many have been seeing ads lately. Maybe this is one way.
@@scape211 thanks bro
Exactly my point, they are forcing us to invest in things we aren't going to use at all, at the same time f2w players already have limited resources so we can only quit and look for another game 😥
True
Great video !This is a double edged sword... Great we get access to all the gear... bad in the fact it will probably now cost a lot more... I hope they up the rewards to compensate for the exta expenses....
We need take away the cap on daily resources, players who play the game want more resources like more crates
We hate GREEDY game developers. They are always trying to find ways for us to spend as much as possible. They are killing their own game. Thank you Scape211 for all that you do. Please don't change the way you are. 👍
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I started playing MA the Friday before the mech and weapon 'balance' update from a few weeks ago. So for me these changes all depend on how they're implemented. Sounds like I might have to go back and get stars on Paragon and Lancer.
Yea it’s very hard to tell now. But for it doesn’t look so great
The video doesn't say that if you already have stuffed leveled up you will get to carry over those upgrades to move up a tier. So upgrading now may be moot.....unless i missed something.
The only thing I can think of that could maybe help with this is a downgrade system for weapons and mechs that you can get some resources back like they do for implants. Not likely but one can hope.
My take away is to play Battle of Titans now and try out Torn when it releases
Im already stuck making My hangar cookie cutter asf from pilots and the grade update now I got to upgrade all my crappy stuff smh I already have a hard time upgrading my mechs and weapons as is ugh Ty scape u fr are all our voices much respect
Thanks they werent very clear in the official video
This seems like a really interesting update. My concern is that it will take away weapons that we have unlocked but haven't bought. My example is that, I've unlocked dl8 but I haven't been able to buy it yet. I'm wondering if this update will make it inaccessible for me again. I've bought the battle pass so that I have enough credits but now I'm worried that it will just go to waste. Also, will the old progress path actually give more hard to earn resources such as acoins. Because at the moment that max amount of acoins you can get is 100 even with the random reward at the end.
If you unlocked but don’t buy it (or rather have in your inventory as useable) I suspect it won’t be available after this update. So if it’s an item you want on the current progress path, I would get it if you can.
@@scape211 it is. The only issue is that it is mighty expensive. I'm just going to hope that the battle pass has time to finish before the update because that is my only hope of getting it
No it's not.. random reward is 180 a coins I should know it just gave me them
@@6starFenrir it's 100 to 200 acoins. Very sorry about that.
I think they should give more points to maxed purple star mech and weapons
they will have to change things up. Two suggestions I got here:
1. More a coins
2. Buff earlier mechs and weapons so they feel usable at least
for everyone wondering they did say that you will be keeping your currently bought mechs/weapons but the mechs/weapons that you haven't bought or unlocked yet will still be locked, you will keep getting the blueprint to all the mechs/weapons that you have unlocked tho
I really wonder how this tier system will look for us who are far into the game. I just unlocked (and bought) Brickhouse. Will all tiers be unlocked for me already, or will I have to buy Slingshot, Puma and the others to unlock certain parts of the tiers? My goal now is to save up enough A-coins to buy Surge, but OH LORD IF THEY WILL FORCE ME TO SPEND A COINS ON MECHS I DON'T CARE FOR AT ALL THEN I WILL FLIP.
Yea no idea how they will make the system work for us long standing players. Hopefully they will put us in a realistic spot given your SP or inventory.
Same. Only difference is I'm saving for dl12
How is it that I never knew there were windows behind you til just now..? 😂
Daytime Scape ftw!
(new emoji?)
Yea it’s usually so dark to tell! It was hard to get my lighting right so I’m dark as daytime scape. But it is what it is 😊
I say this many times but, if every mech and weapons are free, then I think this will be great.
Realistically they need to make money. So it can’t all be free or too easy to get. But this is too much in the other direction. Unrealistically slow progression or spend. That’s pretty bad
@@scape211 yeah… I understand they need to make money but if every price is the same as now, it will take forever to get something like surge or discs and rail guns for example so I at least want the price of everything to go down or you can get more resources like you said.
I believe they need to lower the Acoins Purchasing in upgrading mechs and weapons by a huge margin. To make it a smooth transition for the less viable mechs and weapons.
Good video, thnx. At 1st I didn't mind the change, but I see now having to waste resources on lower level stuff is crazy. 🤦♂️ With that said, there are lots of games (console and otherwise) that use this formula.
I was planning on upgrading bastion and arc6 and arc 10. Now I am like, I have to get disc 12s and if I can get another 50000 experience before this goes into effect I need surge before it unattainable for half a year.
Match making is already a problem….will this make it worse?
My bots are all over the map as I have focused on upgrading my main players…..will I have to go back & upgrade the balance?
Surprised they haven’t implemented a method to “sell off” unwanted/ unused items.
Tbh I am not sure. This could make MM better or worse. But I’m not entirely sure
Yup same sentiment, plarium is gonna do-do this coming update even more compared to upgrade update
This game is introducing more and more ways to make money.
I FEEL BAD JUST IMAGINING MYSELF RANKING PLASMA CANNON 6 TO 4 STARS
NOT THOSE COTTON BALL SHOOTERS
Man i can only say one word for you
F
it is better to play snake and ladder than to upgrade that plasmashit
I have a concern if you do not mind commenting on, atm is a struggle to upgrade mechs weapons do to ACOINS. Will this update mean more heavy on needing money, its a struggle to do well with so many pay 2 wins out there. Makes me feel like me being free 2 play is there to bend over for pay 2 wins. Bad enough i face people 2 or 3 times higher then my 2713 and atm i do not know if this game is worth the time or not. ( any help and comment would be great from you )
They want money dude
Now see For tier 1 you need to upgrade puma to rank 1 to rank 4 or 5
After you reach tier 2 you need to do same thing for shadow
So they are practically forcing players to buy acoins to speed up the process of moving up the tiers
This game was good beforr global launch but they ruined it with their damn garbage updates
I feel you man🫂🗿
I face players who are maxed and i am just 8k sp
Well we can't do anything
We can only hope for the best now
@@rahulgovekar4737 I am at the point that i need a lot of ACOINS in order to get further and i can not compete with this
@@rahulgovekar4737 I am struggling horrifyingly bad and sometimes i face people who dominate the game with a 30 kill battle and sometimes more i can not compete with this and now i struggle to play makes me want to give up and i have never given up ever
Now everyone is literally just gonna be using the same bots. It's so dumb there's gonna be no skill
Great video this is my concern exactly
I think they should RE-MAKE the progress path, 2 ways, 1. Add the items to the original one: the weapons and mechs is going to be added to the original progress path which is simple, VERY simple
2. Make a new one: the 2nd progress path will contain all the special items (by special I mean the unavailable ones)
I mean they are kinda making a new one, but also changing the old one to basically have little value at all. I'm not sure how this will all go, but for now it doesnt look too promising.
I already got everything I wanted from the progress path, and bought a few things(regrettably) but hey, at least I'll finally be able to get EM Rifle 12 for Bastion
And to get it you will have to upgrade garbage tier shit like everyone else.
@@IKvASS yep
It's sad can't believe I have to waste my precious resources on trash mechs and wepons. Also I'm f2p and this just makes it harder to get stuff I want
How will this affect those of high end players who have already finished the progress path as it has been?
they likely wont be too effected in the current meta. However, it depends on what they have unlocked/upgraded in the tiers to know where they will sit. And this will likely affect how new items come into the system.
I'll watch this to understand properly 🎉🎉
I linked their whole too if you want to see it all. I didn’t show it all, just commented on stuff. I figured everyone didn’t wanna see it twice
@@scape211 thanks sure will do that!
As you say, seems like another means of generating $$ from the game. Obviously, the P2P players will progress faster than people not willing to shell out $$ for quick advancement. Bottom-line, is the developers want/need to get paid for their efforts. Can't blame them, just not going to shell out significant $$ to move along on the progress path.
Yea I agree. Always feel the devs deserve to get paid when the models are fair. I used to spend money on this game, but as the system has become harder and harder to progress in, I've spent less. Just a personal choice.
Yeah, I commented the exact same thing on their video yesterday. No replies from them
On the bright side, this tier thing might fix the sp dropping problem, rank 5 mechs can't tank your sp down far enough for it to be worth the effort
Yea that might be true. But if the player has what they need to keep doing it, they may. I hope this helps MM and exploitation. But given how things have been going I worry it will just be worse.
@@scape211 seems like an easy fix, when a player crosses a tier, they shouldn't ever get bots/ players from that tier no matter what ..
This just looks like they are moving the game to a tier based game play system just like world of tanks and warships, warthunder and so on.
This won't be a problem so long as they increase the amount of resources we can aquire.
agreed. thats what I was saying I was trying to discuss with them. If that happens, it wont be too bad. But I worry about it happening.
When is this stuff happening btw? I have brickhouse etc, but I'm still saving for surge atm (really the only progress path mech I still want). And what about stuff we have unlocked but not brought yet - will it be locked again? As the only thing on the progress path still locked for me is railgun16s.
Thats what I'm most worried about - the surge I've been saving for that's 'unlocked' but not yet purchased being locked out - (and needing to dump more acoin into another mech, slowing down my intended use).
New system will suck and I can already see the players being stuck on a tier because of A-Coins and the fact collecting 100 A-coins is hard as it is.
I dont know if im right about the new system, but this is how it all sounds to me. We wont know until its live.
@@scape211 Yep and hope they either decrease the price or make both credits and A coins more gatherable which will make progressing through the tier balanced
hey, they can just turn the exp gained from quests to acoins, problem solved
You arent wrong, getting hundreds of acoins a day would be the fix lol
So should I stop upgrading anything until the next upgrade I've already finished with the path we have now
I’m still confused what this means if you’re in late game? I’ve been playing for 2 years and I have mechs and weapons of all kind, how will they all fit, and what tier will they be placed in? There’s just so many things that don’t make sense and it sucks bc they really are making their own game worse 🤦🏽♂️
its hard for me to say since we dont have it live yet. But you will keep all you currently have and it should apply to the tier system respectively. I dont know where it will put you for the tiers though.
I also have a question
Like do you they can make it a TON worse by putting first stuff you putchrase in the old proggres path then the exclusive content, can it be that more worse?!
What if they made crate tiers (ex t4 crate only drops t4 blueprints) to help get more consistent drops in a certain tier
should i purchase arc torrent 10 now or after update?
This is the first time in this game we're I wished they weren't updating the game
For me it’s been pilots, grade update, and this that have been a let down.
I think even the upgrade price will change, cuz in the pic that you showed, Guardian and Shadow costs the same. They both costs 1125 A-Coins, so maybe even the level and rank upgrade will probably change for the mechs and weapons based on their rarity. Anyway, it's just my thoughts .
NO IT WON'T (probably not) plarium is getting as greedy as war robots now
Well honestly they turned the Game from a pay-to-win Game to a pay-to-fast Game.This kinda works for me... Progress is longer and expensive but at least You can progress without real money
that is true, but the road to progression will be much longer imo. And since its already a hard grind to get the items you want and save up for, it will be even longer. I suspect people will either burn out and leave or cave in and spend before they get close to the end. But we will have to see when it comes out.
New game for me and loving it, but not sounding good, going forward. I always thought they needed a recycle centre to trade your old unused weapons for coins to upgrade your favourites. No chance of that ever happening. Also how good would some saved fit outs be. Time consuming having to change load outs between game styles. E.g. 5v5 more enclosed map you might use short rage weapons vs checkpoint open map you may use more 🤬 mortar. 😂 then of course every time you change you'd ideally want to change pilots/implants. Definitely a lot of working parts. Let's see if they listen to you. :p
Ah you mean liked saved loadouts? Yea the partners have brought this up to them before a few times. I dont think they are opposed as its a nice quality of life update, but its likely low on their list of priorities right now.
Just come to see how Mech arena is going. WOW this is just horrible. Glad that I now play Bolderlands series game. Take care Scape :)
I have a doubt I have unlocked every mech till surge,and the gear hub has many paid mechs will I need to start from tier 3 or 4 to get all those paid mechs or will I unlock everything to that point?
Awesome review yet again Scape. I understand your own take better than the original vid from ma official. Anyhow, u kinda soften the blow a bit back there. Just say it as it is. It a shitshow!
Literally everyone is excited to get their hands on premium items. Especially f2p players. Unfortunately they had to F it up somehow.
You know they should add a DIFFERENT PROGRESS PATH THAT CONTAINS NEW ITEMS AND YOU CAN SWITCH BETWEEN PROGRESS PATHS AFTER DIVISION 5
It won't be a big deal. I counted the stars I had on my green quality mechs, and it would have been enough. Same with blue quality. I still run my Ares in my 11k hanger. Nothing is gonna change, just like the last patch never "broke" the game like everyone predicted.
The last patch vastly changed the game in terms of value for those who used stuff less than top tier. I know you have stuff set now, but if the upgrade process is gonna be harder and more expensive, it will affect all new players who may not bother sticking around. And it could make all new items added harder to get as it gets stuck in the end of the progress path. It might not be that way, but the past upgrade and others before like pilots haven’t been favorable to me. I worry this will be more of the same. We will have to see though.
Hey nice vid scape and what happens to high end player whr they maxed almost everything do they get direct access to tier4 or 5?🤔
I dont know yet, but when she used the example of slingshot and plasma cannon it kinda answered that. She needed 10 total stars and both started at 2 star (thats 4), then upgraded both to rank 5 (6 more; 3 added stars each to make 10 total). So I believe the current stars we have will apply. But if you focused on some items more than others (as most do) we may have to upgrade some old stuff to move up in tiers. I really am not sure though.
I'm not a defender of plarium but I'm confused about some of the things you're saying. From what I can tell you don't need to upgrade specific mechs, can include weapons too, plus 5 really isn't a lot cumulatively. You don't even have to play these mechs. For existing players we'll have most of it unlocked anyway and thirdly you can be running a 6 star puma and still get matched in low ranking games because it's SP lvl is so small now that they've changed these values. This is why I keep seeing 6 star javs in my games because they're not worth a lot of SP. It's actually a good idea to lvl up strong rare stuff to 6 star
*From what I can tell you don't need to upgrade specific mechs, can include weapons too*
You could be right, but from the screens shown by them, it appears mechs and weapons are in separate sections of tiers. I cant tell right now if they will be linked in the same tier or different ones. If its the same, you still need to upgrade them.
*plus 5 really isn't a lot cumulatively*
In the example she used, she took slingshot and plasma cannons up to 5 stars each. Taking slingshot from 2 stars to 5 stars takes about half a million credits and about 5k acoins. You would need to roughly double that for plasma cannon 2s. Now you dont have to upgrade these items. You could spread it out among other items in the tier. But it depends on whats in the tier and the star rank you need to move up. In any case, you need to spend (or waste) these resources just to unlock the next tier. Which may or may not have other items you dont want, but still need to upgrade. You dont need to use any of these mechs, but we already have little resources to upgrade the items we DO use to play and survive. Let alone spread these resources to other items.
*For existing players we'll have most of it unlocked anyway*
This part is entirely true. Those of us who have a lot unlocked likely wont be too affected. But it does mean the lower to middle part of the playerbase will have a much harder time catching up to us and create a larger gap for them to climb.
*thirdly you can be running a 6 star puma and still get matched in low ranking games because it's SP lvl is so small now that they've changed these values*
This may be the case. Its hard for me to tell how this will work right now. It could make matching better overall or it could make it worse. I just get concerned because it hasnt been great for many right now.
All in all, my focus here was to share my concerns. This update could work out ok. But I wasnt a fan of pilots, event crate rushes, play-offs, or the grade update overall. So I am a bit cautious about how this will go. But if you have had a good experience, thats great! Keep enjoying it and we will see how this update goes when it actually drops.
@@scape211 ye fair enough. I was under the impression that if you bought a mech from the shop, then upgraded that, this would count to the amount of stars you needed, so you wouldn't have to do it to specific mechs for each tier. However I appreciate new f2p players are stuck with a handful of mechs, so they have to do this. Tbh it's hard to have much sympathy for f2p players in regards to this process. This isnt that type of game, and even in the current system most f2p players are indeed upgrading bad mechs and bad weapons as they don't have the acoins for anything else, hence it's something they would have done anyway? I'm speculating of course, not entirely sure
I think your fears were correct according to the Q&A lol. The stars have to come from those previous tiers.
Hey i just login after 5 month and did they change amount A coin in daily misson or brain just go hay wire ?
Are tiers skippable. As a player with higher mechs leveled, will I be able to skip earlier tiers. An example would be this; I dont have enough stars in tier 2 to unlock tier 3, but I have enough stars in tier 7 to unlock tier 8. Will I have access to tier 8, or will it be locked until I have finished all previous tiers.
This doesn't address the main problems with the game. Majority of mechs and weapons are irrelevant, and it still takes up to $200-300 to max one mech or weapon. One weapon dominates the game (Em). New tank mechs crumble like cookies. The beloved tengu or killshot or guardian or shotgun (that people paid for or worked hard to max out) are now close to worthless. And on and on. People keep leaving the game in frightening numbers.
Yeah you are absolutely right if they keep this up this game will reach -2 147 434 647 health
Another thing I'm wondering is after this happens, if we buy something legendary will we not get BPs for those things unless we upgrade our tiers? If so that's completely unacceptable
no - anything you have in your inventory can show up in crates. But you wont get blueprints for items you dont have that are not in a currently unlocked tier. So for example, lets say you are in tier 5, but you have bastion who is in tier 6. When you open crates, you can get items from tier 5 and below AND bastion. But not other tier 6 items. Make sense? Hopefully i said that clearly!
@Scape211 Gaming yeah makes sense, was thinking of getting redox in flash deals at 5* since I have like 86 bps for it, guess should do it before this update comes. But yeah this system as tiers instead of accumulative stars seems pretty nasty, for newer players and mid game this is really really going to hurt their progress. The grind will be incredibly long. Like I've spent some, not a ton but enough to get to now whats almost a 10k hanger, to do it f2p is gonna take players years like this if they don't increase res given out for weeklies and dailies etc. I feel like this is going to be more p2p oriented then the game is now. People will either get fed up trying to grind to get good stuff and pay or quit. How they think this will improve the game is beyond me
Can’t wait till thay add it to mobile
this is crazy. this is killer for the new players. they will literally get shit on
so what is better to do? buy as many weapons and mechs as you can now or keep saving? I was saving money and coins to buy Disc 12...
Me too bro i also have same question I'm currently saving to buy carbine 12 second copy and it's legendary implants
It sucks, if they gonna take away the mechs that i own and use it on my hangar im gonna be real mad
Also they need to lower the costs, its nearly impossible to grind for resources (especially for light mechs, they cost a lot in every way)
Exactly how I saw it. But a little more extreme language lol
I have a hunch they gonna add a new rarity
well they did add the "limited time" pilots like both variants of Neymar and the "Spirit of Brazil" mech skins, so I really wouldn't be surprised...
i join the mech arena community on facebook but i don't have access to every thing
can i play this on an Asus chromebook?
Do you think we that have been here a while will need to start at teir 1 and work our way through, or do you believe that resources spent over the last few years will be retroactively applied to our current progress?
If you do not know, how can we find out?
Advil
I dont know yet, but when she used the example of slingshot and plasma cannon it kinda answered that. She need 10 total stars and both started at 2 star (thats 4), then upgraded both to rank 5 (6 more). So I believe the current stars we have will apply. But if you focused on some items more than others (as most do) we may have to upgrade some old stuff to move up in tiers. I really am not sure though.
@Scape211 Gaming I was thinking there may be a few gaps we will need to patch to move up to where we are. If they give us full credit for past upgrades, hopefully, we only need a star or 2 to get back to where we were.
I have 614,824 Credits saved up should I go for BrickHouse Or should I go for Disk launcher 8
BRICK HOUSE IS BETTER
@@shayan3921 bro I already have Both Brick house and Disk launcher 8 unlocked already so don’t you even say another word and Get lost buddy
U installed, maybe see you in T3 someday Scape? hope to see you soon in ROLLER CHAMPIONS!!!😂😂😂😂
Man I havent played T3 in a while. Didnt seem like it really picked up on this channel and I just dont have the skill for it. But its a great game! if you enjoy it, keep it up :)
i coulden't understand can we upgrade any mech or the mech given within that tier. plz answer my question
Yes - any mech or weapon you upgrade in a given tier will help towards unlocking the next tier. However, upgrading items from the previous tier wont help. For example, if you are in tier 2 and you need 1 more star to get to tier 3, you cant upgrade the rank of an item in tier 1 to get to tier 3. You can only upgrade items in tier 2 to move to tier 3. Hope that helps.
@@scape211 thank you for explaining
Scape, But when this update comes. Will everyone lose all their weapons and mechs and you gotta grind them again
Pls i just want to know, i dont want to play MA so much to get my mechs back.
You will keep the ones you bought from the current progress path
I'm more curious about matchmaking. Is it gonna be only tier based? Like tier 2 players only matched with tier 2 people?
And what about buffed bots? Will they be changed accordingly to my tier as well?
Not sure how it will be all around, but I do know that on my alt that currently has the gear hub, I face people in my tier, but also above my tier as well as plenty of people who buy stuff early. Bots stay roughly around my tier and sometimes go higher depending on my win ratio and win streak to a degree. I would expect this to stay about the same for all players once this drops for everyone.
@@scape211 so, the game will be Grindy but more tolerable
Cause I don't like the current matchmaking system. I've no idea how many times I opened the app and frustratingly quit after playing one or two matches cause the opponents are like Op beyond belief
I have a little over 7k a-coins that I have hoarded for mechs like Bastion and Gatecrasher that are near ranking.
I also have numerous weapons that are ready to rank.
I now wonder if I should stop waiting for the mechs and go ahead and upgrade or purchase a few legendary weapons...or hold on to them in case I find myself having to rank items I don't currently use in order to unlock access to these weapons all over again.
thats a good question. I would say if there are things on the current progress path that you want, you may want to ensure you get them now. My thinking is that its better to make sure you have things you want now rather than see if you can get them later. Hopefully that helps.
@@scape211 absolutely.
I have unlocked all the mechs and weapons on the current path so I may be ok so long as the new tier system doesn't force me to re-earn them since I haven't purchased some of them due to budgeting A-coins.
I also wonder if my progress with ranking certain mechs, Panther @7 stars for example, will suddenly make previously locked weapons, that used to be acquired through events or actually buying, available because of the progress already made in the tier they will be set in...if that makes sense...lol
If so I may find myself wanting to use A-coins there.
ARRGHH...they are completely wrecking my strategy...🤣
hey, do you know if i still can buy mechs that i have unlocked in the progress path but haven't buyed yet?
for example: I have unlocked surge but haven't bought it yet as i dont have enough a coins. can I still buy it after the update?
I dont think so they wìll make you waste currency on other stuff to upgrade as you saw. Soo better save if you can for about 2 months
I hate the idea of wasting resources on ranking up things I’ll never use again. Instead, I think it would be more fair to have a certain amount of xp you need to earn by using mechs/items in a specific tier in order to advance, with an option to use resources to accelerate advancement if you choose.
I like that idea too! Maybe like achievements you need to complete with those specific mechs/weapons and upgrading could be some of the achievements as well. Interesting idea overall.
@@scape211 achievements could be cool, and might keep it from feeling like too much of a slog if you’re trying to advance without using resources. Hopefully plarium reworks this a bit…I don’t think I’ve seen a single positive reaction to this new system they’re proposing.
True
My fear is that this system might create a roadblock for newer players such that they can't get enough stars quickly and being stuck on the same level will increase their frustration and they will leave the game. There are many games I have played where the first few days it was easy to progress but then I would hit such a roadblock and just end up quitting that game, this could be what MA would turn into for new f2p players
. Definitely worse compared to the old progress path, old players may find this good but can't say for sure.
Wait,do You think plarium would care Even in the slightest for f2p players?
Dude,no offense,but that's simply wrong
As surprising as it is, plarium is owned by a literal gambling machine software company
@@nomoredlc593 sooo.
You are saying that if the game litealry died they weren't going to care at all?
@@superfighter3301 why would they?
Mech arena is only one of many games plarium has,and if the game finally dies,they would probably take what's left,rename it , relaunch it and repeat the cycle
@@nomoredlc593 your kinda right.
If plarium is a whole "gambling machine software" they wont really care about a pretty good game of them dies like pay to win players would eventually max out everything and if the game couldn't be played anymore by free to play players and they quit, it would mean losses for the company, BUT if plarium is what you said then yeah they wont give a crap
@@superfighter3301 and adding the fact that plarium has dozens of games,one would deduce that mech arena is doomed at this point,increasing the paywalls for the Game for as long as possible,and when people get tired of it and retire from the Game and then it dies,plarium will simply make a new Game to scam as much money as possible
What about the players who are in mid or end game players who have unlocked many mecha and weapons and have upgraded it.
you will keep those items but depending on how the tiers are setup, you may have to go back and get or upgrade past items it seems.
As a new player I feel that I can’t get good mechs unless I buy them. Already there’s no way I can get Killshot. At first I even thought Slingshot was Killshot and ranked him up. Anyway I still enjoy it but yeah. Sounds like a cashgrab.