Mike Mentzer was an intelligent body builder with amazing physique and had matchingly impressive integrity. Mike is a great person to look up to for anyone aspiring to improve themselves, and thanks to the work of John Little and Mike’s own positive reputation his legacy has grown evermore popular. I wish he was still around, but in his limited time he has made a lasting impact.
@@johnsambo9379 Bodybuilders are an odd lot, including Arnold. Weirdnegger did homosexual favors for the gay elites back in the day. Did drugs as well. He also raped, groped, performed pedophilia, and had affairs with his ex wife with different women and had a child born out of wedlock and tried to lie about it for years
We all know he should have been Mr Olympia in both 1979 and 1980. If you could have a man be Mr Olypmia in the state of Arnold 80, Franco 81 and Chris Dickerson 82. He easily should have been a two time Mr Olympia. The only man in history to get a perfect score of 300 TWICE.
Mentzer legacy lives on, imagine if we would have seen Mike at his absolute prime in his mid thirties, he would definitely walked, not fought for, but walked away with a few Sandow's under his massive arms during the 80's.
Mike Mentzer was in better condition than when he was awarded the perfect 300 score, but still not good enough to finish in front of Arnold in the 80 Olympia... A compete joke!!
Its very easy to beat Mentzer and the rest when you have the promoter and almost all the judges in your pocket, hence why Bill Pearl stepped down as head judge for that contest as he was heard saying "I don't want anything do with this fiasco" If you just do some journalistic digging you'll eventually find out the real reason why Arnold in 8 weeks decided to suddenly train and enter that show. Here's a great article to read starkcenter.org/igh/igh-v11/igh-v11-n1/igh1101p04.pdf Also I will say in certain shots and photo's Arnold does look quite impressive in 1980 compared to the rest but nothing compared to the Arnold of 1974. Cheers @@johnking5759
@@johnking5759 are you serious? No way for Arnold to finish at least in front of Mike, listen carefully to all contest's witnesses who say even top 5 was very difficult for him that day.
The 1980 Arnold was no where close to the Arnold who was Olympia in 1975 ... Arnold had a 2 month window training for the 1980 .. that is nowhere close to how he develops compared to a 5 to 6 months preparation.So no way should have he even been in the top 3 but no way should he had won 1980 Mr.Olympia.At best Arnold was 80% of his former self..even he admitted it.
It was bad. But todays guys can be pregnant, soft, have obvious site enhancement, no calves required, no posing ability required, okay to have huge proportion issues. It's all bad.
I have always loved Arnold and Franco but I have to say that 1980 and 1981 were two of the biggest screw jobs that happened in the era of the 1980's. I believe in 1981, Platz was first and Padilla was second. I hate that Mentzer went into a downward spiral after the show. If only he could see how high in esteem that he is held today.
Mike, though you have passed on. If it means anything to you, you helped me gain muscle without drugs. And when my son is of age I will show him your teachings. May Arnold burn for this.
@@themalaailaanaa1347 Source? Mentzer has trained hundreds of natural, completely average people and gotten results based on HIT, so I'd love to see your source on where he apparently refused to train anyone who didn't want to roid.
A great video. I particularly enjoyed the footage featuring Dennis Tinerino. Bodybuilding suffered not one black eye but two. Potentially it could have atttracted massive exposure and the sponsorships to follow.
I always thought Platz or Padilla should've won as both looked incredibile in '81...Roy looked fantastic as well. Everyone could clearly see Franco had zero cuts in his quads, even someone who knows nothing about the sport could see it. What a sham both years turned out to be as Arnold's legs were nowhere near good enough to win the title in '80.
Gets worse..ive compared franco to every competitor in that contest...frankly ive got him next to dead last... nobody loves Franco more than me but facts hurt..he got destroyed that night.. it's an insult to suggest he beat any of them
I have always looked up to Arnold and Franco, but 1980 and 1981 were two of the biggest screw jobs in the era of the 1980's. To me, Platz was first, Padilla was second, these two were in the best shape of their lives. I hate the fact that Mentzer went into a downward spiral after 1980. If only he could see how much his training philosophy is celebrated today.
Thank you John for this footage and testimonials of other bodybuilders, Mike took an ethical stand and achieved much more than a Mr Olympia title a true champion ❤
Pro Bodybuilding had been growing in popularity in the mainstream for years prior to the 1980/1981 Olympias. Bodybuilders were appearing on popular TV shows (Hulk) and films (Arnold), bodybuilding mag circulations were rising, bodybuilders were competing in mainstream TV show competitions (World's Strongest Man, etc). Bodybuilding was going mainstream, and it was great. After the 1980/81 Olympias, Pro Bodybuilding lost all credibility, TV dropped their competitions like a hot potato, and the sport has never been more than a fringe sport in terms of broadcasting since. Damn shame....and Arnold (and the Weiders and his cronies) were at the center of it, and the cause of it.
Aww, memories. i remember that contest when they placed mentzer 5th, the audience was pissed and one individual screamed bull, shty and mentzer screamed back and agreed with him, and that's how bad it was!
His left leg was the most atrophied there. As Mike said Franco had injured himself sometime before. Comparing his legs from '75 to 81 they're miles apart in quality.
I make sure to bring up that Arnold bought the 80/81 Olympias whenever I can ... even to the point of it not being relevant to the conversation (ha). . Evidence of toxic narcissism exists - and, it sure as hell exists with 'Ah-nald'.. here is an example: [1] After the 80' Olympia Tom Platz went and swore his allegiance to Arnold - Tom's own words from his audiobook. [2] In 81 Tom was in fantastic shape - what was he going to 'do' (about Franco 'winning') after he'd backed Arnold? [3] In 82 Tom was once again in fantastic shape - but, he'd torn his bicep. The only person he told about his injury was Arnold. Arnold then proceeded to tell the judges. So, the judges demanded Tom do poses that accentuated his injury.
That is a very good breakdown of actual events. It tells me, Arnold will never help you. He will befriend you , only to mask his Agenda. In the end ,you will find a knife in your back. But when you turn around there is nobody there. However, thru dilligent Forensic analysis. It will reveal Arnold's fingerprints on the Blade in your back. Thank you @nathanherling9836
"Arnold bought off the judges in 1980, no way he is even top 7 and he should have been disqualified for refusing to do all the mandatory poses. Mentzer and Coe were the best physiques on stage that day. Also Franco had bitch tits and a deformed leg and no way he legit beats Padilla and Platz in 1981." "Sir this is a Starbucks. Are you going to order or not?"
I vaguely remember seeing Arnold on a talk show as a kid after the 1980 Mr. Olympia and it was clear that he knew he was not top dog. He said it was because he wasn’t up to speed on the posing and the use of music in presentations. And it was also clear that Arnold only went in the contest because he was using the Olympia as a promotional vehicle because he was in Conan the Barbarian and he was tying the contest to the film.
Head of IFBB in Australia at the time was Paul Graham. Just need to research the history between him and Arnold and there might be an interesting story there.
If it wasn’t such a farce, it would be laughable. The fact they pulled off the same stunt two years in succession is appalling! And, as stated, damaged the “sport”. As Mike said to me: “The powers that be can have it”.
Its ok saying the best way to get back at them is to train harder and win, but when the games fixed it makes no difference. The amount of effort to get your physique in that condition but still no chance of winning.
Exactly, even Padilla doesn't get it, when its rigged you don't just come back and win next year like he suggested, its obvious that they were all afraid of Arnold and weider, all except Mike that is
I would have been happy with Coe or Mentzer, Dickerson, Zane, Tinerino and Walker winning except Arnold. - Thank you very much for the video. - P.S. and by the way Arnold was NOT good enough to win!
Sad that someone who did so much for the sport was the cause of its demise. I always liked Arnold, ever since I was a kid, and I felt bad for him when I heard about his marriage troubles but I lost all respect for him when he made that stupid comment “screw your freedoms” during the Covid fiasco. I’ve come to see now that all he ever cared about was himself.
I don't know who would even wanted to see a bunch of roided out, ugly masses of flesh posing on a stage - aesthetics has completely been tossed aside. No thanks.
@@darrenburke9630 Joe weider had his self proclaimed "weider principles" that he himself had designed so he stated to help bodybuilders with their training in order to make better progress in the gym and become better. In his magazines during the 80's when bodybuilders were interviewed a common question asked was what weider principles do you use in the gym. The fact is joe weider had stole all these principles from Vince Gironda a retired competing bodybuilder but was still training many clients at his gym in Hollywood. Vince was very well known for his knowledge of how to train and to take a physique and see what needed to be done. The hollywood movie industry would send Vince actors all the time that needed to get in shape for a movie or a television role ie sylvester stallone, clint eastwood, cher and many others, also many top bodybuilders trained at Vinces Gym as it was called, Larry Scott the first mr olympia, Mohamed Makkawy.(type at youtube mohamed makkawy posing routine 1984 mr olympia) Anyway Vince had stated that when he put his clients on certain programs joe weider would scoff at his routines but soon joe realized these programs were actually working and working rather well. So joe stole them and proclaimed them as his own. Vince some years later had said "it's funny joe weider has enough money to buy and sell me a thousands times over and yet he's terrified of me and avoids me at all cost, he stole my training principles and ideas and yet he still gets them wrong". Vince was very well known for not taking any shit from anyone infact in the original rocky movies Sylvestor Stallone based his boxing coach opon Vince.
I saw the 1984 Olympia in New York, when Lee Haney won his first title. Sergio Oliva competed, and while I don’t recall where he placed, he was a crowd favorite. He said to the crowd after losing that no matter where he placed, he will “forever be the Myth.”
I really hate how Tom Platz has been saying such negative shit about Mike too lately, who needs enemies when you have friends like Tom Platz slandering Mike's memory it really disgusted me!
60 minutes would have got all the proof they needed if they had investigated the contest promoter… and an arrest in Los Angeles for car theft/ shipping overseas…
Yup! In Pumping Iron, it is not a coincidence that Arnold is shown posing at Terminal Island prison. A certain future promoter of an IFBB contest was doing time and takin the hit for someone else.
@@dreambigdoc EXACTLY!!! You understand! Mike Mentzer and everyone else knew these things back then and they COULDN'T say anything, so that was also part of the disappointment everyone competing felt...
Those years were totally Arnold. His encyclopedia of bodybuilding is coming out, and you have Mike Mentzer obviously dominant preaching the opposite philosophy of training for success. Tom Platz as well changing, the game. In true nazi form, Arnold had to crush his opposition (Mentzer particularly) in order to maintain his dictatorship....Plain and simple. It seems obvious in hindsight. The actions after the crimes shed light on the motivation.
I was at the 1980 Olympia and yes we did boo Arnold from the stage. He did not deserve to win. You need to look at Paul Grahams involvement in the results. As I was told by a judge on the day that Paul told him Arnold has to win.
Arnold lost to Sergio Olivia and Frank Zane before this contest I think. This entire show was a favor to Arnold which greatly discredits this sport because it's no longer an objective sport.
Regarding the 1980 Mr.Olympia: Evertbody ask youself a question. Would Arnold come out of retirement and risk his PERFECT record of wins in every Olympia he competed in? I doubt it. But if Arnold could get the judges to rig the contest in his favor then he could easily come out of retirement without having to risk his perfect record of wins as the contest would already be rigged in his favor. MENTZER should have won purely on overall muscle separation throughout the ENTIRE body.
Great video politics then politics now smh and they wonder why bodybuilding never hit mainstream no need to wonder folks are still holding umbrellas til this day simply because of that dark cloud smh 🌫🌫🌫🌫
Arnold betrayed Tom Platz for some unknown reason at the 82 Olympia, letting a judge know about his bicep injury Platz is well known for being a fan boy of Arnold... the question is... Is there ANYONE the Austrian Arse WON'T backstab?
Apparently, according to Ben Weider, Arnold was high on Cobain during the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. Hence why his face looks rugged, veiny, tired ect. Arnold was close to the Weider Bros so, makes sense.
Hats off to the Bodybuilders who boycotted IFBB and Mr olympia. They should have gone to other federation and they should have promoted other federation it would kill IFBB.
Arnold had to win as he was worth a lot of money to Joe Weider. Mike's philosophy on training was different to the standard convention of the time but it worked. I did not train on the HIT system but used a closely allied system which I called Training to recover - Heavy, Light and Medium.
I don't have ,, Leg Extension machine,, in my gym. I just have Leg Press, Leg curl and I can do squats. Which combination is good for Heavy Duty? Leg Press+ Leg Curl or Squat+ Leg Press
Certo Arnold era imponente e la sua fama correva veloce dietro a lui. Mentzer, ragazzo serio , faccia da studente, per bene, lo seguiva a breve distanza e aveva un fisico eccezionale, straordinariamente bello e armonioso. Anche fuori delle gare! Era un piacere vederlo in quella forma e per di più con quell'aria da sornione. Un amico sincero, per quelli che aspirano ad un incontro di massima fiducia. Io lo vedevo così e son sicuro di non sbagliare.
Well, if you are going to get away with one crime why not another? I met Mike in February 1979 after he'd just won the 1978 Mr. Universe. Before the 1980 Olympia - Mike had known defeat by losing to the less complete Kal Szkalak (1977 Mr. Universe) tremendous upper body weak legs. But losing to no-legs Ahhnold in 1980 that was both a crime and a travesty for Mike and the other competitors. And Franco - what a joke in 1981 (Padilla #1 Platz #2 Franco #8).
As a "sport" bodybuilding has always suffered from its subjective scoring. While clear miscarriages of justice like these examples are difficult to argue, without a numerical metric for performance there will always be controversy. In a way it's what makes it so popular. Everyone roots for their favourite and argues the toss over their wins and losses. Certainly TH-cam love us lot arguing apples and oranges with each-other. Now at the age of 50 I can't help but think who cares? It's grown men trying to out-man one-another in a non-contact way. Bodybuilding has taken on a whole new macabre look to me now, and I can't help but think the whole thing is a bit daft. And before the hate comes rolling in, I still lift weights and have done for over 35 years. I will only stop the day I can't get out of bed anymore. The health-benefits are unquestionable, the beauty pageant has long since lost it's allure. Sorry if that sounds negative. I guess I'm wondering if anyone else thinks the same.
Everyone should start referring to Mike as 'the real Olympia 80 winner'. To annoy Arnold. Just speak about it in terms of Mike actually having won, which he did.
The question is no longer did he deserve to win the show anymore , it is ,did he have prior knowledge it was a forgone conclusion ? because if he did then that makes him a scumbag and no bodybuilding legend to anyone.
How do you win standing next to Tom Platz and Danny Padilla when you've got gyno and no separation in your quads? But these things should'nt surprise us here in this day and age. The IFBB is not the only sports federation, by far, that puts the face of the competitors they think can sell the most tickets and merchandise as the representative and champion of their sport. The Weiders considered Arnold and Franco to be their golden boys who drew the biggest revenues for them and whenever they had an opportunity to hand them the Sandow they couldn't turn it down, because it meant they were looking forward to a banner year in sales. Their foremost concern was the prosperity of the organisation, not awarding the actual top physique. Sad - Disappointing - True.
Best production yet, Mr. Little! Outstanding! In your opinion would you say Mike adopted a sense of nihilism towards bodybuilding or any other area of the human experience after 1980 & 1981?
No, not nihilism, which would be the abdication of moral principles, and the belief that life is meaningless. If anything, he became staunchly moral as a result of his study of ethics and philosophy.
with this video i circled one entire story,., in few years i learned who is real bodybuilder, how to train and what to doo. its like movie, and story that that should die in secret., screw your freedom smelled bad and now its shows..
Would not count on mr "screw your freedoms" being truthful about anything he's waaaay to far up the rothchilds arses. He's for a long time now been nothing more then a puppet who has his handlers telling him what to say and do or else. But that's the price of fame and wealth.
If only someone could win the Arnold Classic and dedicate the win to Mike Mentzer right in front of Arnold.
I would love to see that or even more beautiful, to be the one who does it, a dream but a good one.
Mike Mentzer was an intelligent body builder with amazing physique and had matchingly impressive integrity. Mike is a great person to look up to for anyone aspiring to improve themselves, and thanks to the work of John Little and Mike’s own positive reputation his legacy has grown evermore popular. I wish he was still around, but in his limited time he has made a lasting impact.
*aspiring
He was a gay meth head. No thanks.
Many echo your words!! Well written!!
@@johnsambo9379 Bodybuilders are an odd lot, including Arnold. Weirdnegger did homosexual favors for the gay elites back in the day. Did drugs as well. He also raped, groped, performed pedophilia, and had affairs with his ex wife with different women and had a child born out of wedlock and tried to lie about it for years
Mike Mentzer even though he has not won Mr. Olympia, for me he will be the best
Thank you for leaving us your legacy 🙌
We all know he should have been Mr Olympia in both 1979 and 1980.
If you could have a man be Mr Olypmia in the state of Arnold 80, Franco 81 and Chris Dickerson 82. He easily should have been a two time Mr Olympia. The only man in history to get a perfect score of 300 TWICE.
Mentzer legacy lives on, imagine if we would have seen Mike at his absolute prime in his mid thirties, he would definitely walked, not fought for, but walked away with a few Sandow's under his massive arms during the 80's.
Mike Mentzer was in better condition than when he was awarded the perfect 300 score, but still not good enough to finish in front of Arnold in the 80 Olympia... A compete joke!!
Its very easy to beat Mentzer and the rest when you have the promoter and almost all the judges in your pocket, hence why Bill Pearl stepped down as head judge for that contest as he was heard saying "I don't want anything do with this fiasco" If you just do some journalistic digging you'll eventually find out the real reason why Arnold in 8 weeks decided to suddenly train and enter that show. Here's a great article to read
starkcenter.org/igh/igh-v11/igh-v11-n1/igh1101p04.pdf
Also I will say in certain shots and photo's Arnold does look quite impressive in 1980 compared to the rest but nothing compared to the Arnold of 1974. Cheers @@johnking5759
@@johnking5759 are you serious? No way for Arnold to finish at least in front of Mike, listen carefully to all contest's witnesses who say even top 5 was very difficult for him that day.
The 1980 Arnold was no where close to the Arnold who was Olympia in 1975 ... Arnold had a 2 month window training for the 1980 .. that is nowhere close to how he develops compared to a 5 to 6 months preparation.So no way should have he even been in the top 3 but no way should he had won 1980 Mr.Olympia.At best Arnold was 80% of his former self..even he admitted it.
Thank you john little, we're with you
Who's john little?
@@carnivorous_veganfriend of Mike and the guy that runs this channel
Co-author of many of Mentzer's books.
@@CurtisMoe which many? theres only one
@@marko-182 there's two rn on amazon
Franco winning 1981 with gynecomastia is an insult to the sport.
So is dorian winning 1994 with a torn bicep and gh isulin gut
Gyno, and imbalanced (i.e., one good) legs. Mike, and Boyer Coe had to have been laughing their asses off in 1981.
It ain't a sport it's a beauty contest
Its not a sport, its not about skill and practice, its about genetics and drugs
It was bad. But todays guys can be pregnant, soft, have obvious site enhancement, no calves required, no posing ability required, okay to have huge proportion issues. It's all bad.
Nowadays the networks would have loved all that controversy. They would used it in all the advertising for the event.
Mentzer is the man ❤️🇬🇧✌️🏾
The only MAN
Thank-you Sir for the video. Truth cannot be hidden for long. Mike Sir was the best.
Best journalism I've seen in a long time, as well as a tribute to the great Mike Mentzer .....
I'm glad you finally put this out John.
Thanks, Edgar.
I have always loved Arnold and Franco but I have to say that 1980 and 1981 were two of the biggest screw jobs that happened in the era of the 1980's.
I believe in 1981, Platz was first and Padilla was second. I hate that Mentzer went into a downward spiral after the show.
If only he could see how high in esteem that he is held today.
Mentzer didn't lose to Arnold. That was not a lost. Mentzer was cheated; he was played.
I love Bodybuilding but this was a benchmark in what not to do in a sport.
The more you look into Arnold as a person the more awful stuff comes to light. For me Mike is a far greater role model and inspiration.
Mike, though you have passed on. If it means anything to you, you helped me gain muscle without drugs. And when my son is of age I will show him your teachings. May Arnold burn for this.
Mike was soooo intelligent!
@@Craig-k9d
Very selfish and arrogant at the time. I hope he has become a better human being since.
You're wrong...Mike Menzer always maintained that he wouldn't train anyone who didn't want to do anabolics because ìts the only way.
He was right.
@@themalaailaanaa1347 You’re wrong
@@themalaailaanaa1347 Source? Mentzer has trained hundreds of natural, completely average people and gotten results based on HIT, so I'd love to see your source on where he apparently refused to train anyone who didn't want to roid.
Great piece John.Well done.
A great video. I particularly enjoyed the footage featuring Dennis Tinerino. Bodybuilding suffered not one black eye but two. Potentially it could have atttracted massive exposure and the sponsorships to follow.
I always thought Platz or Padilla should've won as both looked incredibile in '81...Roy looked fantastic as well. Everyone could clearly see Franco had zero cuts in his quads, even someone who knows nothing about the sport could see it. What a sham both years turned out to be as Arnold's legs were nowhere near good enough to win the title in '80.
Gets worse..ive compared franco to every competitor in that contest...frankly ive got him next to dead last... nobody loves Franco more than me but facts hurt..he got destroyed that night.. it's an insult to suggest he beat any of them
I have always looked up to Arnold and Franco, but 1980 and 1981 were two of the biggest screw jobs in the era of the 1980's.
To me, Platz was first, Padilla was second, these two were in the best shape of their lives.
I hate the fact that Mentzer went into a downward spiral after 1980. If only he could see how much his training philosophy is celebrated today.
Thank you John for this footage and testimonials of other bodybuilders, Mike took an ethical stand and achieved much more than a Mr Olympia title a true champion ❤
Thank you , John, for keeping Mike's legacy moving forward.
This was another amazing video.
It's all about WHO YOU KNOW! That will get you in over the other person.
I was expecting to click away from this video, but it is very good, the best I have seen covering this travesty.
Thanks for your post. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Pro Bodybuilding had been growing in popularity in the mainstream for years prior to the 1980/1981 Olympias. Bodybuilders were appearing on popular TV shows (Hulk) and films (Arnold), bodybuilding mag circulations were rising, bodybuilders were competing in mainstream TV show competitions (World's Strongest Man, etc). Bodybuilding was going mainstream, and it was great. After the 1980/81 Olympias, Pro Bodybuilding lost all credibility, TV dropped their competitions like a hot potato, and the sport has never been more than a fringe sport in terms of broadcasting since. Damn shame....and Arnold (and the Weiders and his cronies) were at the center of it, and the cause of it.
Aww, memories. i remember that contest when they placed mentzer 5th, the audience was pissed and one individual screamed bull, shty and mentzer screamed back and agreed with him, and that's how bad it was!
Theres no question franco winning was an inside job, and perhaps arnolds win was too, he literally had completely atrophied quads .
Yeah no Arnold winning was also diabolical.
His legs looked like mine for gods sake.
When you have 4 of the judges as friends. What do you thinks gonna happen?
His left leg was the most atrophied there. As Mike said Franco had injured himself sometime before. Comparing his legs from '75 to 81 they're miles apart in quality.
I make sure to bring up that Arnold bought the 80/81 Olympias whenever I can ... even to the point of it not being relevant to the conversation (ha).
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Evidence of toxic narcissism exists - and, it sure as hell exists with 'Ah-nald'.. here is an example:
[1] After the 80' Olympia Tom Platz went and swore his allegiance to Arnold - Tom's own words from his audiobook.
[2] In 81 Tom was in fantastic shape - what was he going to 'do' (about Franco 'winning') after he'd backed Arnold?
[3] In 82 Tom was once again in fantastic shape - but, he'd torn his bicep.
The only person he told about his injury was Arnold. Arnold then proceeded to tell the judges.
So, the judges demanded Tom do poses that accentuated his injury.
That is a very good breakdown of actual events. It tells me, Arnold will never help you. He will befriend you , only to mask his Agenda. In the end ,you will find a knife in your back. But when you turn around there is nobody there. However, thru dilligent Forensic analysis. It will reveal Arnold's fingerprints on the Blade in your back. Thank you @nathanherling9836
"Arnold bought off the judges in 1980, no way he is even top 7 and he should have been disqualified for refusing to do all the mandatory poses. Mentzer and Coe were the best physiques on stage that day. Also Franco had bitch tits and a deformed leg and no way he legit beats Padilla and Platz in 1981."
"Sir this is a Starbucks. Are you going to order or not?"
Excellent video John. Thank you for uploading.
I vaguely remember seeing Arnold on a talk show as a kid after the 1980 Mr. Olympia and it was clear that he knew he was not top dog. He said it was because he wasn’t up to speed on the posing and the use of music in presentations. And it was also clear that Arnold only went in the contest because he was using the Olympia as a promotional vehicle because he was in Conan the Barbarian and he was tying the contest to the film.
I am a big Arnold fan like the rest of us but...In 1980, Mike Mentzer should have won that show...Hands Down!
Thank you John, Mike and those whose integrity could not be bought
@@TheMadMonk9 You’re very welcome. Thanks for your post.
I heard that he had Joe Fire a judge because he tried to disqualify Arnold because he wouldn’t hit the mandatory poses.
Yes. The IFBB judge Dennis Stallard from. Wales
Google him.
Dennis Stallard from Wales.
And thus the Golden Era ended...until the age of mass began no one really cared anymore
Head of IFBB in Australia at the time was Paul Graham. Just need to research the history between him and Arnold and there might be an interesting story there.
It's very interesting. The outcome of that particular contest runned by Graham had a lot to do the with the placings of the competitors.
Arnold was already signed to star in the movie conan, they let him win this so the movie could draw more hype.
More like they could ride his hype...the Weider Protein Ad already had him dressed as Conan sitting on a throne
If it wasn’t such a farce, it would be laughable. The fact they pulled off the same stunt two years in succession is appalling! And, as stated, damaged the “sport”. As Mike said to me: “The powers that be can have it”.
The Weiders will eventually be seen for the shysters they were,IMO.
They made shyt metal gym equipment.
It's even worst now...
Its ok saying the best way to get back at them is to train harder and win, but when the games fixed it makes no difference. The amount of effort to get your physique in that condition but still no chance of winning.
@@Craig-k9dI don't think it would have changed anything at that point
Exactly, even Padilla doesn't get it, when its rigged you don't just come back and win next year like he suggested, its obvious that they were all afraid of Arnold and weider, all except Mike that is
I would have been happy with Coe or Mentzer, Dickerson, Zane, Tinerino and Walker winning except Arnold. - Thank you very much for the video. - P.S. and by the way Arnold was NOT good enough to win!
Sad that someone who did so much for the sport was the cause of its demise.
I always liked Arnold, ever since I was a kid, and I felt bad for him when I heard about his marriage troubles but I lost all respect for him when he made that stupid comment “screw your freedoms” during the Covid fiasco. I’ve come to see now that all he ever cared about was himself.
People talk about 1980 more today than today's body building scene, how far body building has fallen.
I don't know who would even wanted to see a bunch of roided out, ugly masses of flesh posing on a stage - aesthetics has completely been tossed aside. No thanks.
Shameless and disgraceful.
My opinion in this is that Mike Menzer was a threat to Joe Wieder principals and philosophies.
What principals and philosophy?
@@darrenburke9630 Joe weider had his self proclaimed "weider principles" that he himself had designed so he stated to help bodybuilders with their training in order to make better progress in the gym and become better. In his magazines during the 80's when bodybuilders were interviewed a common question asked was what weider principles do you use in the gym. The fact is joe weider had stole all these principles from Vince Gironda a retired competing bodybuilder but was still training many clients at his gym in Hollywood. Vince was very well known for his knowledge of how to train and to take a physique and see what needed to be done. The hollywood movie industry would send Vince actors all the time that needed to get in shape for a movie or a television role ie sylvester stallone, clint eastwood, cher and many others, also many top bodybuilders trained at Vinces Gym as it was called, Larry Scott the first mr olympia, Mohamed Makkawy.(type at youtube mohamed makkawy posing routine 1984 mr olympia)
Anyway Vince had stated that when he put his clients on certain programs joe weider would scoff at his routines but soon joe realized these programs were actually working and working rather well. So joe stole them and proclaimed them as his own. Vince some years later had said "it's funny joe weider has enough money to buy and sell me a thousands times over and yet he's terrified of me and avoids me at all cost, he stole my training principles and ideas and yet he still gets them wrong".
Vince was very well known for not taking any shit from anyone infact in the original rocky movies Sylvestor Stallone based his boxing coach opon Vince.
@@darrenburke9630 The 'trainer of champions' horseshit.
The Dennis Tinerino footage talking near Bill Pearl says it all.
Yeah I think Bill was in on the sham also
Well put together video.
I saw the 1984 Olympia in New York, when Lee Haney won his first title. Sergio Oliva competed, and while I don’t recall where he placed, he was a crowd favorite. He said to the crowd after losing that no matter where he placed, he will “forever be the Myth.”
Excellent doc, thank you.
You are very welcome
12:51 this shot is hilarious
Mike deserved to win in 1980. Tom deserved to win in 1981. Arnold and Franco cheated.
Danny Padilla looked great too in 81
@@leonardgarcia5320 yes 👍
I really hate how Tom Platz has been saying such negative shit about Mike too lately, who needs enemies when you have friends like Tom Platz slandering Mike's memory it really disgusted me!
AI maybe?
This is hard to believe because Tom has always said that Mike has been always good and helpful guy to him.
Sad the shenanigans corrupted Body Building...
Great Work John.
Thank you.
60 minutes would have got all the proof they needed if they had investigated the contest promoter… and an arrest in Los Angeles for car theft/ shipping overseas…
Yup! In Pumping Iron, it is not a coincidence that Arnold is shown posing at Terminal Island prison. A certain future promoter of an IFBB contest was doing time and takin the hit for someone else.
@@dreambigdoc EXACTLY!!! You understand! Mike Mentzer and everyone else knew these things back then and they COULDN'T say anything, so that was also part of the disappointment everyone competing felt...
Never heard of that, but lost all respect for screw-your-freedom-Arnold a few years ago
Do you know who the FBI agent was that busted the promoter was?
@@lateralus2199 No.
Well done. Very interesting content. It definitely paints Arnold in a way that lets us see behind the curtain.
Those years were totally Arnold. His encyclopedia of bodybuilding is coming out, and you have Mike Mentzer obviously dominant preaching the opposite philosophy of training for success. Tom Platz as well changing, the game. In true nazi form, Arnold had to crush his opposition (Mentzer particularly) in order to maintain his dictatorship....Plain and simple. It seems obvious in hindsight. The actions after the crimes shed light on the motivation.
I was at the 1980 Olympia and yes we did boo Arnold from the stage. He did not deserve to win. You need to look at Paul Grahams involvement in the results. As I was told by a judge on the day that Paul told him Arnold has to win.
FC: Arnold's Mini-Me.
1980...the year Arnold became a supervillain.
Well produced
Thanks for this great video
This is pretty good. Anymore videos like this coming out? Could be a two hour doc.
Where can i find the full video of minute 14:35?
I would love to see someone make their own mr Olympia 1st place rankings. Like who truly should be mr O from the inception to now
Arnold lost to Sergio Olivia and Frank Zane before this contest I think. This entire show was a favor to Arnold which greatly discredits this sport because it's no longer an objective sport.
Regarding the 1980 Mr.Olympia:
Evertbody ask youself a question.
Would Arnold come out of retirement and risk his PERFECT record of wins in every Olympia he competed in?
I doubt it.
But if Arnold could get the judges to rig the contest in his favor then he could easily come out of retirement without having to risk his perfect record of wins as the contest would already be rigged in his favor.
MENTZER should have won purely on overall muscle separation throughout the ENTIRE body.
Good! some logic and commonsense.
Great video politics then politics now smh and they wonder why bodybuilding never hit mainstream no need to wonder folks are still holding umbrellas til this day simply because of that dark cloud smh 🌫🌫🌫🌫
Arnold betrayed Tom Platz for some unknown reason at the 82 Olympia, letting a judge know about his bicep injury
Platz is well known for being a fan boy of Arnold... the question is... Is there ANYONE the Austrian Arse WON'T backstab?
Tom Platz should have won in 81.
Apparently, according to Ben Weider, Arnold was high on Cobain during the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. Hence why his face looks rugged, veiny, tired ect. Arnold was close to the Weider Bros so, makes sense.
Like if you think mike should have won the 1980 Olympia
Padilla or Platz should have won in 1981.
Hats off to the Bodybuilders who boycotted IFBB and Mr olympia. They should have gone to other federation and they should have promoted other federation it would kill IFBB.
Exactly
Arnold had to win as he was worth a lot of money to Joe Weider. Mike's philosophy on training was different to the standard convention of the time but it worked. I did not train on the HIT system but used a closely allied system which I called Training to recover - Heavy, Light and Medium.
Weeeeell he really didn't "half" to win
I don't have ,, Leg Extension machine,, in my gym. I just have Leg Press, Leg curl and I can do squats. Which combination is good for Heavy Duty? Leg Press+ Leg Curl or Squat+ Leg Press
Watching this really Anger’s me 😡
I have to agree no leg. Rigged
Certo Arnold era imponente e la sua fama correva veloce dietro a lui. Mentzer, ragazzo serio , faccia da studente, per bene, lo seguiva a breve distanza e aveva un fisico eccezionale, straordinariamente bello e armonioso. Anche fuori delle gare! Era un piacere vederlo in quella forma e per di più con quell'aria da sornione. Un amico sincero, per quelli che aspirano ad un incontro di massima fiducia. Io lo vedevo così e son sicuro di non sbagliare.
In the end , it’s all about the $$$$. A lot of people were getting rich with Arnold and Franco. Money takes the spirit outta everything
Well, if you are going to get away with one crime why not another? I met Mike in February 1979 after he'd just won the 1978 Mr. Universe. Before the 1980 Olympia - Mike had known defeat by losing to the less complete Kal Szkalak (1977 Mr. Universe) tremendous upper body weak legs. But losing to no-legs Ahhnold in 1980 that was both a crime and a travesty for Mike and the other competitors. And Franco - what a joke in 1981 (Padilla #1 Platz #2 Franco #8).
As a "sport" bodybuilding has always suffered from its subjective scoring. While clear miscarriages of justice like these examples are difficult to argue, without a numerical metric for performance there will always be controversy. In a way it's what makes it so popular. Everyone roots for their favourite and argues the toss over their wins and losses. Certainly TH-cam love us lot arguing apples and oranges with each-other. Now at the age of 50 I can't help but think who cares? It's grown men trying to out-man one-another in a non-contact way. Bodybuilding has taken on a whole new macabre look to me now, and I can't help but think the whole thing is a bit daft. And before the hate comes rolling in, I still lift weights and have done for over 35 years. I will only stop the day I can't get out of bed anymore. The health-benefits are unquestionable, the beauty pageant has long since lost it's allure. Sorry if that sounds negative. I guess I'm wondering if anyone else thinks the same.
Shows just how illegitimate pro bodybuilding is.
Very interesting. Incredible reporting from the bodybuilder s never herd them talk like that. Generally Mike mentzer
Everyone should start referring to Mike as 'the real Olympia 80 winner'. To annoy Arnold. Just speak about it in terms of Mike actually having won, which he did.
Frank Zane sums it up at 12:23
Both the 1980 and 1981 Mr. Olympias were bad for this "sport".
Yes, good work!
And if you read Desmond Butler's WaPo articles on the IFBB/NPC from late 2022, you'll see it's gotten sleazier behind the scenes.
Politics, not fair sport-judging makes the final verdict..
The question is no longer did he deserve to win the show anymore , it is ,did he have prior knowledge it was a forgone conclusion ? because if he did then that makes him a scumbag and no bodybuilding legend to anyone.
Arnold Legs were 🐓 Legs! 😂
How do you win standing next to Tom Platz and Danny Padilla when you've got gyno and no separation in your quads? But these things should'nt surprise us here in this day and age. The IFBB is not the only sports federation, by far, that puts the face of the competitors they think can sell the most tickets and merchandise as the representative and champion of their sport. The Weiders considered Arnold and Franco to be their golden boys who drew the biggest revenues for them and whenever they had an opportunity to hand them the Sandow they couldn't turn it down, because it meant they were looking forward to a banner year in sales. Their foremost concern was the prosperity of the organisation, not awarding the actual top physique. Sad - Disappointing - True.
Best production yet, Mr. Little! Outstanding! In your opinion would you say Mike adopted a sense of nihilism towards bodybuilding or any other area of the human experience after 1980 & 1981?
No, not nihilism, which would be the abdication of moral principles, and the belief that life is meaningless. If anything, he became staunchly moral as a result of his study of ethics and philosophy.
with this video i circled one entire story,., in few years i learned who is real bodybuilder, how to train and what to doo. its like movie, and story that that should die in secret., screw your freedom smelled bad and now its shows..
Great job on this video
Terrible showing. He was completely smooth.
Let’s hope Arnold tells the true 1 day…maybe on his death bed
I doubt it.. he will die a asshole.
He sold out his remaining honor during the pandemic
Don't count on it
Would not count on mr "screw your freedoms" being truthful about anything he's waaaay to far up the rothchilds arses. He's for a long time now been nothing more then a puppet who has his handlers telling him what to say and do or else. But that's the price of fame and wealth.
True it was currupted to the point dorian having his biceps tored and still won with no biceps against nasser
I like Arnold and Mentzer....but just legs alone Arnold was sub par
1980 is clear
The 80 sandow that arny has isn't the only sandow he didn't earn