mobo PCB Breakdown: Asrock X570M Pro4 // Same VRM as Pro4 / Phantom Gaming 4
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- TLDR: good enough for stock or overclocking upto a 3700X.
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heatsink that delays the inevitable? call it a heatsoak.
that's the term I was looking for
The Heatsoaker
heatspunge :D
Heat tank or heat bank are also appropriate.
heatsucc
we need more x570 matx boards
it's more niche than m-itx unfortunately. just need more 5-slot m-atx cases.
@@CknSalad matx has enough room for decent vrm design, decent m.2 slot amoiumts, atx is silly with multi gpu setups becoming rarer over time. and itx has not enough space for enoigh features
The thing is, i personally have never really seen any advantage with mATX. Sure its smaller and you'd think its maybe cheaper because of that, but it almost never is so i dont know why you would take the slightly smaller board with less features for the same money over an normal sized ATX board.
@@CarbonPanther I feel like ATX doesn't have any advantage with mATX. ATX simply has more pcie slots and maybe 1 more m.2 slot compared to mATX, but since sli and crossfire is dead now so people wouldn't really need more than 2 pcie slots (say you got a sound card or something) and the extra space ATX takes is just wasted in most cases.
HF Z pretty much this. Matx has 4 ram slots. Can add a storage or 10g network card on the second pcie slot. There’s small matx cases without the sacrifice in cooling. Even OEMs like Dell are making smaller pc cases for their desktop lineup.
I really dont think many of us have anything against longer videos!Its NOT an issue!
Just cover whatever u feel is important and we all will dig it.
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I am legitimately sad that there are just no good mATX boards anymore. I am using maximus 8 gene and I can't really upgrade in the same form-factor. And at the end of the day - I don't need all the PCI-E slots of ATX anyway, all I need is my GPU and Capture card in this machine, that's it.
Same problem here, building a video transcoding system in an mATX case. All I need is decent a VRM, and two expansion cards - GPU, and 10G NIC. Of course the only mATX x570 board would have a garbage VRM!
Tyler Perry I’m so sick of it, hopefully the b550 boards save us! I want pcie 4.0 for sli at x8 x8 with no penalty.
Immortal get the b550 mortar m
Immortal not sure but I trust msi a lot more than ASUS
An engineer at Asrock told them that they needed 1 more low side but 1 of the higher ups made the decision that making a different MOBO layout + Heatsink then they already had on the shelf was 2 expensive
Thank you! Your clip helped me a lot! I was afraid, my already ordered X570 Pro4 is crap. But your video showed me, that it should be enough for the 7 3700X what I wanted to put on that particular board. #thumbsup
The x570 pro 4 gets a set of two actual fins on the heatsink side facing the cpu so that gives you quite a large boost in surface area, so what results is this asrock board runs second in coolest temperature of everyones budget lineup surprisingly. You should be able to max out overclock a 3950x with decent airflow.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp so this will be fine with my 3700x and 2070super with nice kraken water cooler? i dont have anything to worry about?
@@mijo1776 Yeah it will be fine. May run fairly warmer than most motherboards but it is far from the worst. Make sure the Cpu cooler is directing some of its airflow on the heatsink if you wish to output 200A from it. 150A and below can work well without airflow.
What about the b550?
@@leongao5120 The pro 4 version is about on par, but the phantom gaming 4 version is garbage with a way smaller heatsink.
Just as a reference point: I've had my new system for 2 days. It's an MSI B450M Morta and a 3700x. All stock, it goes to 90W package power consumption, about 1.2V all core and 1.5V single core voltages (so maybe 75A for an 8 core), . BIOS flashback was great, got the mATX because I need the form factor, MSI because of Buildzoid and the M.2 layout. VMR doesn't get over 60°C, so totally chill. Pretty happy so far. Would have liked a 12 core but those things are out of stock for weeks. :D
I'm so glad I watched this video, I was thinking about getting this motherboard, not now.
what are the main downsides?
mi jo watch the video
I have this motherboard, but only running a Ryzen 5 3600 @4.1 - no issues at all. If the only issue is heat, what’s wrong with installing a block on it and running some liquid through it? I’ve been thinking of doing this soon in order to prep for 4th gen Ryzen. As far as the LEDs, I didn’t even think it would be possible for anyone to have any sort of issue - I can see them perfectly when needed. However, my chipset fan is a piece of shit - I already ordered a new one to replace because the bearing started to go out. I don’t mind any of these issues, for me it’s actually fun finding solutions and this video is very informative
The diy voice inside my head instantly said put this huge piece of aluminium on my circular saw table and cut the top part every 5mm. Then take 2 cheap 4cm fans (or one if two don't fit) and this thing will be fine.
This is actually my board in the photos - I will probably end up slicing some fins into the heatlump to turn it into a real heatsink.
@@CypherAod how about drilling some holes, turning it into a honeycomb structure?
@@CypherAod Just curious how the your build came along. I'm looking at search results from "Heat Dissipation Fin" on aliexpress and it seems like there's some excellent options.
@@CypherAod How's it??
This is disappointing. I was wanting an mATX x570 board for a 3900x or 3950x. Hopefully another company makes one worth buying.
Amen to That
At this stage the the likelyhood of more x570 MATX boards is zero. I think the only other board is a biostar that’s unofficially a b550 board
I would suggest that u get the mini DTX from ASUS aka the rog crosshair VIII impact
@@stefandimitry6038 That's no better than mini-ITX, and it's $430! Mini-ITX is fine if you don't need any expansion slots, and that may work for many users, but to be stuck with a full ATX board if all you need is a capture card for an HTPC, or a raid controller for a NAS that really limits your options.
Same. Looking for a mATX x570 for the 3900 series.
mATX enthusiast here. T_T
For someone who only uses a single GPU but doesn't like using the motherboard's onboard audio and wants to use a sound card instead, ITX just doesn't cut it. That's why I'm hoping that one day high-end APUs will become a thing.
Sound cards might aswell be onboard, They're still inside a big metal box with a load of electrical noise, Modern onboards actually pretty good now but anyone that actually cares about audio buys an external DAC and amp. its really not worth having a pc 75% larger just for a soundcard when you can have better audio on a much smaller pc.
@@tomstech4390 First off, just because you have an external solution for your audio doesn't mean that it doesn't take up any space. Instead of having just one big box, you either have one big plus one small box or two big boxes depending on how much you care about audio quality. I don't see how this saves up any space considering that mATX cases are not that much bigger than ITX cases since those still need to fit hard drives, a power supply and a GPU that's bigger than the ITX board itself.
Second, external DAC/amps are not safe from the PC's electrical noise, because - guess what - it is connected to the PC by an ELECTRICAL CABLE. The USB 2 standard that most external DAC/amps use nowadays was not designed to be able to deliver "clean audio" like most DAC manufacturers are trying to sell.
The only way to completely isolate an audio device from the PC would be to use an optical connection. Funny thing is, most motherboards still have an output for a TOSLINK cable, but it's physical potential as an optical link is limited by the SPDIF standard whose bandwidth requirement is pretty limited. However due to the advent of HDMI, manufacturers have not seen fit unfortunately to update the SPDIF standard or to create a new communications standard to use over TOSLINK cables to (out)match HDMI audio.
Now if we stick to electrical connections, the only way to reduce the noise is by improving the motherboard's PCB, because electrical noise is a symptom of electrical interference between the copper cables embedded into the motherboard. On that front, the advent of PCIe 4 might make a noticeable improvement, since the standard actually forces motherboard manufacturers to improve their PCBs in order to meet its signal integrity and bandwidth requirements. We'll see how this goes.
Another issue with external audio is latency/synchronization. Now this is kind of a mixed bag, because I've experienced synchronization issues with onboard audio as well (defective motherboard), and sometimes it can be an issue with the content (using the exact same USB DAC, some games have out of sync audio and video while others don't), but it is generally a pretty hard thing to overcome with an external device your PC has very little to no control over, an issue that is not present on PCIe extensions.
All of this to say that the choice of using an internal PCIe sound card or an external USB DAC/amp boils down to PERSONAL PREFERENCE as neither solution is truly superior to the other one. The reason you see so many USB DAC/amps compared to PCIe sound cards is because most audio companies simply don't have the know-how to make a PCIe extension, "noise reduction" is just a marketing gimmick. The only step up in terms of audio quality would be to hook up the PC to an AV receiver, a solution which comes with its own bag of issues. -_-
you could use the graphicscard sounddevice and an external hifi reciever+boxes. Not cheap but i consider it if i have to go ITX. Love mATX but now it looks like a bleak future.
@@smilingbandit6900 That was kind of what I was hinting at. ;)
The only issue with it is that DisplayPort is way better than HDMI at handling refresh rates above 60 (even on the newest versions) which means that you have to connect your GPU to your monitor with a DisplayPort cable and use a second HDMI cable to connect the GPU to the AV receiver (hifi equipment with DisplayPort input/output/passthrough do not exist unfortunately), which can be a hassle to configure if it doesn't work out of the box and your refresh rate will be capped at what the receiver can handle (usually 120Hz even if you have a 144Hz+ monitor).
Modern LED efficiency creates a problem pretty much everywhere they're used for status lights because apparently manufacturers forgot that you don't have to drive them at 20+ mA.
Sunday morning, mainboard asmr and a coffee, what a start!
Thank you so much for making this video. I was about to buy this board with the plan of going for a 3900x.
I really don't understand why manufacturers make their boards perform significantly worse just to have a better design. It's an internal component. Aside from the stupidity of the low side mosfets of course...
People are buying cheap x570 boards because B450 BIOS updates are a nightmare, and some people can't follow BIOS flash directions. I actually recommend the Phantom 4 to people using a 3700x.
Right, I’d rather pay extra money and have some future proofing if I decide to change out or upgrade later. It’s not worth the headache screwing with an older board that is just that, an older board.
got the phantom 4 for my 3600, it made no sense in my country to pay a couple of dollars less for b450, epecially with 5700xt pcie4
This video is amazing! I bought a Phantom Gaming 4 to go with an 3600, so I'm glad to hear it'll run just fine even overclocking.
I just assembled the system this morning but the system didn't POST. I had that blindingly bright LED issue you mentioned, and the manual mentions this feature. Annoying, but I'm glad there's something for me to point to.
what led issue?
Burned through several of these boards thinking it had better vrm until it destroyed my 2700+. Thanks to Buildzoid I now have a much better board that is running great.
What board did you go with?
I've never over-clocked or had a desire to, but this is a very informative video!
I really enjoy these vids you do. I'm particularly interested in the MSI Prestige Creation as this is the board I intend to purchase as soon as my $ gets on the books. I don't mind your "rambling" at all. With you, a person never knows what information you give in those ramblings. You just have to wait for it.
A thermal pad on the ferrite coils and the heatsink reduces the power loss caused by the increase of the resistance of the winding coil at high temperatures. The resistive Q factor in the design of the ferrite coils is crucial in increasing the coil performance with low heat losses. Running 2 coils in parallel with gate drivers that control the timing switching halves the coil current reducing voltages drops and heat caused by the coil Q factor resistance. Because of the very low Vcore voltage around 1 volt at 200 watts TDP the current would be approx 200 amper plus the heat losses. Designing efficient power stages at very high current rates above 100 ampers is complicated because of the voltage drops of the circuit on coils and the PCB copper traces.
I put a 3950x on this board and it's working just fine! You sir are incorrect, the vram seems to handle it okay 👌
The heat sink runs cold to the touch. That being said, The chokes are actually 115°C under load 😬. Exactly how bad that is that seeing how they're actually just coils?
I have the x570m running 3900x and everything is smooth.
just buy a 45mm fan
ASRock won't like this video
ASSCock*
@@anasevi9456 they have the cheapest board right now. But this ain't it. I don't think they have much trouble selling the Phantom 4, so I guess their strategy is working.
I was relatively happy running this board in my build, till last night.
One of the high side mosfet on the board blew up last night.
Sparks, smoke and everything. I wasn't even using my PC... Great board 10/10 recommended
Wow, I didn't think I would see an x570 board with a worse VRM than my x370 board lmao.
linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-vrm-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/
The heatsink does in fact look like it was designed to be a miniature stove. Would be amazing to see one of those miniature cooking videos made on this heatsink. A single drop of oil and a couple of 3x5mm pieces of bacon.
I just purchased the last MATX motherboard from Micro and this ASRock X570m Pro4 is what I got for a small form factor.. I'm going to be running a Ryzen 5 5600 with this Board. Thanks Bill for the heads up!
Should I wait for other mATX, or just buy this one for my 3700X, which I want to overclock?
I really like your video, I barely subscribe any youtuber, but your explanation is nicely detailed so I learn a lot, while your videos are interesting. And 30minutes are pretty decent, for that amount of information, for people like me who are interested for computer stuff, but are pretty much amateurs.
ITX must be very profitable compared to mATX. Less material. Little bit more design cost, but they are selling you less board for more money.
.. and no chance they'll have to spend on a high-end VRM 'cause it won't bloody fit.. 🙄
@@drayzen9678 I've actually seen them use better VRMs. They are forced to use high end components to fit better power in less size. For ATX they use the worst cheapest parts and then slap 10 on them on there. Then they can claim its a 10 phase for marketing even though it's trash.
@@eugkra33 True in that respect, what I was meaning was you can't fit one of the nice 12-16 phase VRM's like some have now, though you could on mATX.
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One-Hundred and seventy-fifth!
For the features and compared to others it's not bad, if you dont plan to overclock and you want the latest this is a very viable choice.
I guess that heatsink is more of a heatsoaker or thermal buffering device.
Also, the MOSFET with more "RDS-on" connected to the ground only closes the inductive circuit during the "off state" period on the disconnection of the +12 volts MOSFET. The current is much less because most of the energy is consumed by the CPU and the rest of the energy remaining on the ferrite coil is discharged and transferred by the back pulse to the load again (CPU). In very low-power PWM stages, the MOSFET connected to the ground is replaced by a switching diode because is cheaper. To improve energy efficiency at very high current loads a MOSFET switcher is much more efficient than a diode because of the high forward voltage drop on diodes also the regulation voltage at 1 volt and high load currents of 150 ampers average enforce the use of a MOSFET for the coil discharge to ground. Having a PWM controller with more individual phases doesn`t mean better efficiency with more TDP output.
I got this board for a 3800X, setup in a living room so I needed micro atx. Seems to be working fine but def wont be upgrading to a 3900 or 3950.
This sort of thing could REALLY kill the M-ATX form factor for good.....😥
Agree, i wish the led debugging standarized with red, green, blue, white color to make it easier to read
T-topology mATX x570 Asrock I love this board For APU is EPIC with 4 sticks 4000 mt
You were right, the Heatsink (heatsoak) does have a huge dead zone. And the whole VRM area gets very hot even at idle. Also the 4 Debug LED's are all red, and they don't light up on failure, they light up on success, so you have them blinking on and off in a weird pattern (all 4 on first power, then top 2, then none, then bottom 2) on bootup. Then they turn off. The whole reason I bought this board was Intel LAN - and the 8 USB ports, 8 SATA ports, 3 M.2's, PCI-e 4.0 support - I got the ATX version. It was the best I could find that did not skimp on stuff for $150. (Maybe i missed something) - I paired it with a 6-core i got for less than the board. I think the VRM will be OK but now I know they skimped on that instead. And the 5k-hour capacitors, that's disappointing. I was hoping it would be 10k. Maybe it can be recapped _WHEN_ it dies. I like my stuff to last forever ideally, It had been a very long time of me not upgrading.
My order of manufacturer preference is, I would pick Asus first, Asrock next, Gigabyte last, and not even touch MSI. In terms of past history, the UEFI layout, price to feature ratio, and quality control. But Asus's boards are either too expensive or too cut-down this time for X570 though. Certainly a B-450 mATX is a better choice for most people... I kinda have buyers remorse but theres always gonna be somethin I don't like. The price of these boards is largely beyond my means so I make do.
Honestly, the board does have a nice point to its existence
This mobo + node 804 (8x 3.5" HDD bays)
A AM4 CPU and a 1650 super and you got yourself a pretty great plex server that has a low ish footprint while also being able to have 2 m.2 cards
Heat: "I'm inevitable"
:"And I..."
:"Am..."
:"Heatsink."
Thank you for your video, very intertesting, we need many more video from peoples like. You make company being more carful or nervous and maybe make them make better product in the future. ;)
big like for the matx board comments
I've got a merch idea for you. T-shirt with a line drawing of a VRM-CPU socket, and underneath this, just the words: "So... yeah." Your subscribers will all get it, but no one else will have a clue.
I need stock, one m-atx motherboard on x570 and today I buy it) Very good technical chanel! Thanks)
I dont know, why proper AM4 mATX boards are so hard to find. Bad VRM cooling, bad sound chip, no SPDIF, messed up m.2 placement... i just cant find one, that suits my needs. Why can they do all this properly on 1151v2?
But is nothing wrong with the VRM design using MOSFET gate drivers with 2 coils outputs per phase. Doubling the number of coils running in parallel reduces the heat improving efficiency. One of the problems is the heat loss on the winding of the coils. Using coils in parallel is the solution to reduce the power loss caused by the Q factor resistance on the coil winding. Forget the "RDS-on" resistance differences because the switching current is below MOSFET's safe operation. Most of the heat comes from the coils because is the switching inductive reactance of the coil that drops the voltage increasing the output current on the PWM regulation from Vcc 12V to CPU Vcore conversion.
So are you saying the VRM design is actually decent, not horrible?
fucking hell.
I got insta subbed once the mosfet rant got really going :D
About 2 months ago my system started to have very frequent WHEA crashes. I have an AMD 5900X and AsRock X570M Pro4 with EVGA RTX3080 FTW3 and PSU Corsair RM1000x. After I installed this GPU I notice these crashes. Reading on forums sounds like it is a CPU issue. But yesterday I took my CPU and the RAM and went to a friend that has a Gigabyte Aourus Elite AX X570 with a 5800X, RTX3080 LHR from MSI and PSU Corsair RM1000x. I installed my CPU, my RAM and my SSD with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and I run the PC for at least 2h - 2:30h. NO CRASH!
The systems have similar components, only the difference is the MB and manufacture of the GPU.
On my PC with EGVA RTX3080 FTW3 and MB AsRock X570M Pro4 is crashing in main menu, Profile, aircraft showcase between 10 and 30 minutes! Is crazy!
What I can conclude is this piece of crap of MB is the main issue!
Today I will do a last test and I'm opening and RMA to return the MB and to buy a better one.
This MB came directly with BIOS version 3.00 which supports only 5000 series of CPUs.
Okay, so scenario: MicroATX, 4 RAM slots, 3950X when that launches. Do you know of any decent options that exist at this point besides taking a bubble bath with my toaster?
If you don't want to have a headache, there are a lot of mini ITX options that are "overbuilt". If you want mATX, the B450M Mortar (Titanium) should still do the trick if you aren't doing massive OC and have some airflow. I run my 3700x on it (at stock at the moment) and it never goes above 50°C VRM temps (in a 30°C room) with 2 slow running 120mm intake fans and one 120mm exhaust fan. No PCIe 4.0 of course, but BIOS flashback, 2 PCIe M.2 slots (3.0 / 2.0), decent BIOS support so far. See also the google doc spreadsheet of the AM4 VRM ratings.
@@Gigator I was about to give up because the Mortar was discontinued, but it looks like MSI is actually just going to be refreshing it with the MAX branding for native Zen 2 support. Finally, some damn hope.
bios batt above pcie slot, makes clearing it easier, no gpu removal needed anymore!
*when you could just put a button somewhere on the board or the rear I/O
Use a UPS when flashing your BIOS!
Another unique VRM is the Asrock z77 Extreme 4. It's has a fake 8phase. I guess they call'em D-PAK MOSFETS .It runs in a 8+2+1+1 configuration, Using a ISL6367 PWM with 5 Intersil ISL6612's (4 for the vCore and 1 for the iGPU) ASRock is also doubling its phases, however the issues here is that they are linking two phases to each other, so it is a big 4 phase VRM made to look like a 8 phase VRM with added inductors. The ISL6367 is a so called high-tech anolog PWM, when Asrock labeled it a digital PWM.
Its not a bad board. It still running my 3770K at 4.6GHz and mem at 2GHz all day long since 2013. The z77 Extreme6 is equally unique, it has a PLX8605 which expands a single PCI-E 1x into 3 PCI-E 1x, thus they go to the two 1x slots and then the Broadcom NIC.
But........ there absolutely no options for MATX?! What are w supposed to do?? I don want to buy a freaking massive tower to house an ATX motherboard...!!
Fewer and fewer parts for mATX. Not just motherboards, but also cases. You're right, we have to pick either ATX or ITX. Sad!
Any recommended B450M mATX? Please. Thanks.
@@random-drops He seems to like the MSI B450 Mortar: see th-cam.com/video/zSqhVlpgw3U/w-d-xo.html
@@rylpace Thanks. I'm putting my eyes on the new B450M Mortar Max. Hope there'll be reviews on this board.
So what options do we have for mATX and a 3900x or 3950x or arn't there any ?
May I suggest that you mention TL;DR in the first 5 minutes of the video then get to the details after please? Like most people here, we trust your judgement but do not possess enough understanding to appreciate the deep technical analysis.
@@faycalassaad6066 "too long, didn't read"
I have this board. Now you've given me all the reasons to hate it hahahaha. At least it still works.
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19:31 ... Thank you. Subscribed when you said that haha. Guess I'm going to have to spend money on an unecessarily large case so I can get a decent mobo. Won't use the space in it so it'll be empty, can't afford a custom loop, obviously no intrest in dual GPU's in SLI (which I also can't afford). My case is fine with great airflow, has 6 fans and a 240mm radiator (AIO CPU Cooler) in my micro atx case. Just the perfect size IMO but guess I'm one of the few that think that.
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If you absolutely had to pick the best of the budget X570 boards, and by budget I mean sub $200, which one is the most solid in your opinion and why?
We definitely need an AHOC branded tee-shirt that says, "..like don't flash your BIOS in the middle of a thunder storm, I guess.." (@ 24:10)
You could probably buy small heatsinks for a raspberry Pi and have that cool the VRM better than the actual cooler
Going to start a new build soon (upgrading from Phenom II 1090t), I originally was going to go 3700x with this mobo. But after some thought I feel it might just be a better use of my money to go for a 3600 and a b450m, I have no idea what to go for though! Anyone know what my best choices are for a b450m? - I would also consider ITX if there are better options in that form factor.
Hi! Ehh I bough this X570m Pro4 + Ryzen 9 3900X (12core) + ram same as in video 3600Mhz(2pcs). I want to overclock Ram to 3600Mhz. I do not use External GPU, only motherboard GPU. PC for Music production. What you can advise?? Is it bad and will overheat cpu??
Ok, bad idea time. Let's say one were to pick another low-side FET in that same pkg, match Vgs (thresh), appropriate Vds and Id max limits, equivalent or better Td(on) time but most importantly, one with a better Rds(on) and swap them from those footprints, paying some attention to the new part height vs heatsink/TIM. How bad of an idea would this be? Are there important things one couldn't account for? For ex: Is it common to "tune" the fet drivers or feedback loop based on the original parts? What are the chances that circuit is dependent on that specific Rds(on) value?
Good thing I only bought a 3600 to go with this mobo. I'll try to remember to replace/improve the heatsink before I upgrade the cpu.
Well, here's to hoping that B550 has the PCI-E 4 off CPU even if chipset is only PCI-E 3, and then hoping that MSI refresh the Mortar as, yeah, don't think I'd trust this for long term use.
Is there any mATX board you would recommend that would work with 3900X?
Figured something out? I had this very mobo in my wishlist to pair with a 3900X...but after this video, I am very, very worried if this is still the right board.
@@IngwiePhoenix same here. But issue that no other mATX board on the market right now...
all those words in the review, and he didn't bother to mention a single viable mATX (b450 or otherwise) alternative. trash review.
MSI B450M Mortar, Mortar Max and Mortar Titanium.
Overclocking will still be no go.
Comparing these against Asrocks X570M motherboard, it's 4 + 2 good phases vs 8 + 2 crap phases and MSI have the better heatsink.
The real disappointment comes with Asrocks motherboard being an X570M board aint any better than a B450M board in VRM capability, X are supposed to be the enthusiast series but there is nothing enthusiastic about Asrocks X570M.
Hope that B550 comes with better mATX options.
Purchased this mobo with 3900X CPU came as a bundle, no overclocking, so far running like a champ. Very happy with the game performance and the benchmarks.
Hey at least it's an AMD micro ATX board with the requisite PCI-E lanes for a capture card and NVME. I can finally stop enrichening EVGA and Intel because of ZERO FUCKING OPTIONS on the platform I ACTUALLY want. It's a start, but it's not a good one.
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at 18:51, when you mention that, i just remembered that Last year I asked ROG Malaysia regarding of *will you guys bring Asus B450 itx motherboard into our country?" Their replies,
"Sorry we will not bringing in this motherboard due to the lack of itx enthusiast in AMD space" what
A 10 dollar heat sink kit on amazon fixes any vrm heat sink, my b350 runs an oc'ed 3700x fine, just cover the thing in 1x1cm finned heat sinks.
glad i watched this vid. according to newegg ratings, asrock b550M has issues with the intel NIC and thunderboldt add on card. btw, if you miss usb ports you could get a 4 port usb 3.0 card for $10 or a better one with 5GB/s paralell bandwidth compared to the mb breakout usb bus. doesnt work on itx though. 2 LAN ports make sense for teaming and networks which devide IP traffic from internal (NAS) traffic. how high end and cookie cutter mainboard makers add a bunch of display output option assuming that users want to install APUs is beyond me.
That VRM is like FX series cpu. Sure there's loads on the paper, but actually is pretty.. eh.
Building a video transcoding system in an mATX case. I need is decent a VRM, and two (3) PCIe slots - GPU, and 10G NIC. Of course the only mATX x570 board would have a garbage VRM. Mini-ITX is fine if you don't need any expansion or more than 2 DIMM slots, and that may work for many users, but to be stuck with a full ATX board if all you need is a capture card for an HTPC, or a raid controller for a NAS really limits your options.
I think for my next build I'll maker an itx toaster and turn the dehumidifier in my closet into a glycol chiller.
NCase M1 is honestly a really good, versatile mini-itx case. V6 is about to come out and has addressed quite a few of the cramped pc building issues people complained about.
What's the best mATX board? Is this better than the b450's out there?
Well, sadly I only now stumble across this video, just as a high side mosfet blew up after only 3.5 years of use. Using the a stock 3700X, HWInfo showed me that this mobo also seceretly overclocks the cpu, based on your video there is no thermal headroom at the VRM for it...
Ah, damn. And at present, the only reason I was even considering this motherboard, was because it was *the only* mATX AMD board that seems to have an intel NIC, or even just a non-Realtek NIC. NDI encoding is basically pretty demanding for a quality LAN, and the reason I'm having to consider a platform upgrade is because the realtek nic in my present living room system just isn't having any of it. But I'd also want to reserve the right to (when pricing makes sense) stick a ryzen 9 in there.
MSI's B450M Mortar Max is getting good reviews offshore but MSI isn't selling them in the US.
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking. Can you look at the Hardware Unboxed budget review? The Asrock and Asus did very well in VRM thermals. Where you gave these Asrock boards a terrible review. I think it may come down to the Heatsink, not the eleborate vrm design. This ran a 3900x with PBO and Auto OC. The ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 is on sale now. Might be an great deal on a x570
I don't know how far apart the mounting screws are on the Pro 4's giant aluminum heatsink, but I wonder if it'd be better to swap its heatsink out for something else. Enzotech made some VRM heatsinks and its smaller size would also allow some more airflow. Another possibility might be salvaging a heatsink from another motherboard. I'm a little uncomfortable with this mobo running a 3950x stock.
In Cali and many other places power shuts off if too many people use ac.
Yeee finaly mATX
still a butt matx design sadly
@@8bitbunny_VR its not for overclocking. god forbid asrock doesnt make it tailored to one of the smallest markets and make it as overpriced as the rest of the boards
unfortunately, mATX will only have decent B550 motherboards probably. so, mATX crowd will have to miss some nice extra features of the X570 mobos..
@@CknSalad which extra features ?
I'd love a 10gbit network option. but other than that not really anything else :)
@@CknSalad I really hope so. I don't give a crap about the extra storage options. I just want a great quality mATX that can take 1x GPU, sound card, and has proper heatsinks like what came standard years ago.
Seems like this is to much to ask for these days as I have to sacrifice so they can look cool and glow.
I miss the days when nobody cared how it looked...
20:20 exactly my thought when I was trouble shooting MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC. lol. The damn LED are so bright and close together, it's so hard to tell which is which. might as well attach the speakers and figure out the beep code.
When I saw this heatsink I thought the missed a process step somewhere. Like cutting fins into it.
At least good enough for 3700x overclocking. I'm limited to matx/mini itx. I guess I'm still buying the board.
how is it compared to B450 tomahawk max?
There is not enough online documentation about the X570M Pro4, especially when it comes to the discussion of the Ryzen 3950X: Compared to its only competitor in the Micro ATX lineup for X570 (in this case, Colorful's X570M Gaming Pro Version 0I4, which comes with an extra Heatsink but a trash I/O (less SATA III jacks, some USB 02.00 (Type A) ports replacing 03.xx, and plentiful other things, which I feel is not worth the 0230 to 0260$ USD pricetag that they are asking for)), the offering from ASRock ultimately is the only board that I can use in my eventual Ryzen 3950X/Radeon VII Workstation Sleeper PC that'll be recycling my almost ten year old eMachines ET1331G-07w, a case that doesn't have much airflow without extra fans (fortunately, the case has enough space for some fans to be Frankenstien Mounted to the side panel to cool the Radeon VII from the "RADEON" side of the card) but likely okay enough that the system will be fine for thermals, even with an NH-D15 crammed in there and some odd cable management.
From what I am aware about from this analysis chart by Cr1318 (docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281 ), the 3950X is more than okay to run on an X570M Pro4 and also its ATX variant without issue, so long as the chip is being run at Stock, which I intend to do (any OCs would require massive airflow on the Pro4 boards, based on the chart); given this information, and also knowing that the 3950X is easier to cool than the 3900X due to far superior binning on the former, is there anything that I would have to worry about when it comes to the motherboard, especially given that this will be a board that I will likely be using until 2027?
Hey Buildzoid, can you do a VRM Breakdown on the Z390-H?
This the only Matx x570 ive seen and its not good, awesome! I was so hopeful when i saw this in the GN coverage of the Asrock booth but i shoulda known. Disappointment!
Please breakdown and review Asrock B450M Steel Legend
I want to put a 3900x and maybe oc on a matx board, what are the best option since this board is crap?
So...dropping a 3900X in there should be fine?
I'll never buy another Asrock Amd board as long as I live, worst in the industry for support and bios updates..
Really depends from model and price range you pick. I am perfectly happy with x370 Taichi and Professional Gaming. But it's 200+ bracket. But some lower end boards are complete trash. Regarding BIOS, I have nothing to complain really. I have first gen chips.
this motherboard should have pbo disabled on anything with 8 or more cores... please. pbo on my 3900x can pull 220 watts and around 160 amps xD.
Due to Voldemort, I do consider to get this motherboard and pair with a APU (3200G), then later get a 4000 series with the next gen GPUs after one or two years.
Thanks for a great video!
Im curious to what the limit of this board is. You mention 125A at 9:43.
I also read this reddit post by Cr1318 where he made a spread sheet, where 150A is listed as fine for this motherboard.. i.redd.it/2iwdy5wrrly31.png
Im curious as im looking to put a new machine together
Been an ASRock buyer for years, but, this is pretty disappointing from a high priced X570 board. I also have the X470 board that came before this you said is even worse (Master SLI). Yikes. Gotta go watch that video and make sure I don't melt mine.
Carl Zulauf this isn’t high priced, its $144 after rebate on Newegg. It’s literally the cheapest x570
It has some cool features whichother cheaper X570s don't.
Can I use a 5800X3D with this motherboard?
matx is a pretty popular size in asia. those chinese manufacturers produce A TON of matx cases, and they look pretty damn slick with stolen designs from... well, everyone (those NZXT copycat is pretty damn good and cheap tho, and it's matx (DF DLM22)). Also, a lot of matx boards are on the mid to low end of the spectrum, so they're cheap, and popular because of that. People in low income countries prefer a cheap system that simply "works". So yeah, cheap chinese cases, cheap motherboard, and a ryzen 3600 is a "good enough" for a gaming build. Sure, a good mobo will give you an extra 50mhz or something, but at the cost of that mobo? we're too poor for that.
This is shame. mATX makes perfect balance between full size and limited mini ITX. Why the hell the manufactures do not do more mATX board? On another side for Intel platform they offer a bit more boards even for new 10th gen CPU. I wonder why?