As a home shop amateur, I applaud these videos as the absolute best source of information for a rookie such as myself. Invaluable concepts in every video.
Time is service makes it look so easy. LOL You da Man Joe. It's so obvious you love your work and have been doing it right for some time. That job will take me 10 times a long and perhaps a few thrown away parts before I get it right. But I'm going to do this one, take my time and see if I can get it right the first time.
I just rewatched this. I love your clear descriptions and demonstration. I need to make a square broach to make a couple of square holes. After watching Chris with Clickspring make one, I naturally came back so that I could save money by not having to purchase a square 5c collet. You rule Joe!
Hey Joe thank you sir, I am going to watch this a couple more times. This is good stuff. Tried this once and it did not work very well. I can see these are great jigs/ fixture to have in your arsenal. I'll pay you so I can work beside you and maybe something will rub off HaHa. Be safe brother.
As always great work. I'll have to keep this in mind. The only thing I can think its missing is some grooves for o-rings to hold it together so you don't accidently loose one half in your chip tray.
@@slypig24 Your O rings have to seat well below the surface otherwise they will upset your concentricity, otherwise you can make the collets however you or anyone else likes. The principle being shown is how to find the centre and then cut the square, anything else is just finesse. 😉
There’s professionals in their craft. And then there’s those gifted individuals that make professionals look like they might have a year or two of experience. You sir are the gifted individual! Your skills with machining is incredible, your ability to convey what you’re doing is top notch! Simply incredible sir.
I wish I had known how to do this last winter when I had to make some clevis's with a threaded shank for some sidecar mounts. It was a royal pain centering the stock in a four jaw chuck and this would have saved a lot of time.
Good to see this again - I was trying to find your first video on this again to confirm the order of operations. It's obvious to me now to use both ends of the stock material!😳 Really good to see such precision work carried out on a bigger size lathe. Thanks Joe. 🇬🇧
Excellent video! I'm making a die holder for my lathe's tailstock. I've been trying to think of a way to accommodate my hexagonal threading dies. I think you've given me a way forward with your split bush idea...thanks!
Another fantastic video and demonstration of your skills and knowledge. That's a method I've not seen or tried before. Thanks for sharing and stay well yourself! 👍👍
Have you been spying in my home workshop Joe? That's exactly how I made bushings to hold small square section high speed steel in my d-bit grinder so I could grind form tools precisely. The only difference is that I cut an o-ring groove around the body of the bushing before going to the mill. The o-ring sits below the outer diameter of the bushing and holds the two halves together without interfering with the collet. I like the shorter video too. 10-15mins is perfect for a quick watch.
Very clever quick way to make those squarer or rectangular bushings. A keeper for sure to save some time eventually, thanks! Have box of similar items, they tend to get reused.
How well you know I am a firm believer in jigs and fixtures. They may get dusty but they seem to get used again. As you say, "Well worth the time". Boy, That went fast!
You're about two weeks late on this one Joe. I have a few square 5C collets and needed to use my 3/8" one to drill a hole down the center of a square piece of aluminum, but my 3/8" collet was way too small (likely a 9mm). I was able to do it in the mill, but now I can make a split bushing instead of having to buy a replacement collet. A very creative solution!
Just an idea. Cut a groove or two for thin o-rings that match the OD of the split collet. That way when you place the collet back in storage it stays all in one piece. Just make sure yhe o-rings are not above the OD of the working diameter of the collet. Another home made collet trick. Say you have a need for X number of parts with a diameter turned eccentric to the main diameter. Make a solid piece blank for the collet and then drill and ream a thru hole offset the amount to match the eccentric offset of the part. Then use a slitting saw to cut the collet body with the saw centered on the line going through the hole and the collet body. Cut most of the way through the collet leaving about .125" or 3mm. Using an etched or engraving tool mark the stock diameter and offset.
Well that's another useful fixturing tip to add to my Little Black Book. Thanks once more Joe! I was trying to work out how to make a collet to grip a rectangular cross-section part like WR-6 waveguide (125 x 93 thousandths external, 65 x 32.5 internal). I think I can see how to make a hex collet using the same technique. I don't have a Spindexer, but I do have a Harig Grind-All #1
Realy great!!! It is important to understand some gemometry and use it. I have used this method to make fixtures for grinding squere stock HSS lathe tools on my D-bit grinder. Works great.😊
I love how informative these videos are. Are there specific advantages to this approach compared to a simple split bushing tube for workholding of square stock ?
thanks Joe, as always 👍 this works great for square stock, but... have you got any recommendations for making a collet holder for rectangular material? my job is 1/8" by 1/16" and it needs 1/16" pin in the centre the only way I could think of is by rotating the half collet pieces by diagonal angle instead of 45deg and using half cutter moves (1/16" and 1/32") from the centre?
Nice 😃 and while I’ll probably never do this in this lifetime , this is far more interesting than watching someone solving a mathematical puzzle on paper 😃🍻
I am totally amazed at what you are capable of doing. I have enjoyed watching you build all these miniture tools and machines. Keep up the good and informative work.
The spin indexer is such a versatile (an relatively inexpensive) tool that everyone with a manual mill should have one and an accompanying set of 5C collets.
Great information as always. I have been playing with the idea of getting a set of 5c square and hex collet. This looks like a great way to save money on square collets. Now what I am trying to figure out is the best way to make bushings for hex stock. Would the best way to make them is to make the bushing out of three pieces and replicate what you did in this video? Also, would it make sense to cut a recess on the outside and use a small o ring to keep the pieces of the bushing together? Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of information with us and future viewers
Hey Joe Good info here. thannks Bro. Well done and it shows with minimal "fancy tooling." you did well. I'm gonna go watch Blondi and see how she messes up something. Nothing but love for the girl, but she is NOT a teacher like you, and maybe Me. Thanks again, bo! Truely enjoy your shows. Dean Tomorrow is a 400 part day. All same ol same ol, but no CNC, although I do have digi readouts, the first step in cheating. :) Good night, bro! Going to see what Blondi and Mr "Pete" are doing. Hope they are both well and happy, Then, to bed! And bless you, Blo
Good thing you were not a high school math & shop teacher. Your teaching style would have steered too many young people to become machinists thus flooding the market resulting in lower industry wages and high unemployment in the machining sector. Your explanation with the paper was fantastic and allowed this over-educated engineer understand what was going on at the mill.
I could have single handedly undermined the US economy and had a bunch of blue collar guys really mad at me. Glad it didn't go that way. Thanks for the comment.
@@joepie221 I guess it turned out alright since instead you helped a lot of old guys & gals get new knees. In all the videos that I have watched, I dont recall picking up on things you did between high school and the orthopedic place. Perhaps you haven't mentioned intentionally or I am not paying close enough attention. Might make a interesting video talking and some show and tell of stuff you have done along way, if you care to share that much about yourself.
Invest in one, or a rotary table. Option 2 is angle gauges, your vice and a dial indicator/indicol on your quill. Joe also has an excellent video on making angle gauges if you only need one or a specific one.
@@sticks7817 Can't afford a spin indexer or a Rotary Table, that's why I asked. I have both square and Hex ER32 collet blocks, so I guess something to tilt the square one 45° is the best option
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As a home shop amateur, I applaud these videos as the absolute best source of information for a rookie such as myself. Invaluable concepts in every video.
I like the way you make what looks complicated so simple and easy.
Half an hour very well spent.
Thank you again sir
Ive been a machinist for 45 yrs, and still enjoy your videos
Short but sweet, that is a very useful tip.
Joe, I've learned so much from your videos! Thanks for everything you do man!
Glad to help.
Dear Joe, thank you. The explanation on paper of machining the split collet was so succinct. Excellent work. Thank you again.
Glad it was helpful!
@@joepie221 Having clocked four sides of square stock in a four jaw this would appear to be a terrific timesaver.
Time is service makes it look so easy. LOL You da Man Joe. It's so obvious you love your work and have been doing it right for some time. That job will take me 10 times a long and perhaps a few thrown away parts before I get it right. But I'm going to do this one, take my time and see if I can get it right the first time.
I just rewatched this. I love your clear descriptions and demonstration.
I need to make a square broach to make a couple of square holes. After watching Chris with Clickspring make one, I naturally came back so that I could save money by not having to purchase a square 5c collet.
You rule Joe!
Good luck. It's nice to have these laying around.
Great Video Joe. Your explanation on paper and then showing the actual work is very helpful.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Joe thank you sir, I am going to watch this a couple more times. This is good stuff. Tried this once and it did not work very well. I can see these are great jigs/ fixture to have in your arsenal. I'll pay you so I can work beside you and maybe something will rub off HaHa. Be safe brother.
As always great work. I'll have to keep this in mind. The only thing I can think its missing is some grooves for o-rings to hold it together so you don't accidently loose one half in your chip tray.
I was going to suggest the or-ing grooves too.
@@slypig24 Your O rings have to seat well below the surface otherwise they will upset your concentricity, otherwise you can make the collets however you or anyone else likes. The principle being shown is how to find the centre and then cut the square, anything else is just finesse. 😉
There’s professionals in their craft. And then there’s those gifted individuals that make professionals look like they might have a year or two of experience. You sir are the gifted individual! Your skills with machining is incredible, your ability to convey what you’re doing is top notch! Simply incredible sir.
I am humbled by your compliment. I thank you.
Great explanation as always!
Yet another great teaching video. Please keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Thank you Joe. Your videos showing how to make tools are my favorites.
Thanks Joe - that was a most useful demo of the technique. Once again, care and some vital math :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your amazing, a great teacher
I like how you give a tutorial first, then go out to the shop and make the part. That helps a lot!
You definitely make seemingly difficult parts simple….thank you 👍🙂
A journey of a thousand miles is done one step at a time. Patience and confidence. Thanks.
I wish I had known how to do this last winter when I had to make some clevis's with a threaded shank for some sidecar mounts. It was a royal pain centering the stock in a four jaw chuck and this would have saved a lot of time.
Good tips, many thanks.
Nice Joe
Good to see this again - I was trying to find your first video on this again to confirm the order of operations. It's obvious to me now to use both ends of the stock material!😳 Really good to see such precision work carried out on a bigger size lathe. Thanks Joe. 🇬🇧
Very nice indeed.
I love it joe !! Amazing work!! Full of shop gems.
Excellent video! I'm making a die holder for my lathe's tailstock. I've been trying to think of a way to accommodate my hexagonal threading dies. I think you've given me a way forward with your split bush idea...thanks!
A round pocket with 2 dutchmens would do the trick.
Excellent, thank you. I can put this to use in the shop.
This is exactly what I needed! I want to sharpen square tools on a Gorton cutter grinder. ❤. A++ coach
Glad it was helpful!
Another fantastic video and demonstration of your skills and knowledge. That's a method I've not seen or tried before. Thanks for sharing and stay well yourself! 👍👍
Thanks for the video Joe. Very useful for making bits for my clocks.
Glad to help
Thanks again.
I like the explanations. I am not interested in owning a metal lath, but these videos and projects are very interesting
Once again Joe Pie University comes through for me!!!
Have you been spying in my home workshop Joe? That's exactly how I made bushings to hold small square section high speed steel in my d-bit grinder so I could grind form tools precisely. The only difference is that I cut an o-ring groove around the body of the bushing before going to the mill. The o-ring sits below the outer diameter of the bushing and holds the two halves together without interfering with the collet.
I like the shorter video too. 10-15mins is perfect for a quick watch.
I’ve learned a lot from you Mr. Pie, thanks!
My pleasure!
Great job.. all squared up..
Very clever quick way to make those squarer or rectangular bushings. A keeper for sure to save some time eventually, thanks!
Have box of similar items, they tend to get reused.
Glad it was helpful!
How well you know I am a firm believer in jigs and fixtures. They may get dusty but they seem to get used again. As you say, "Well worth the time". Boy, That went fast!
thanks for sharing your very simple but elegant way of doing things keep up the good work.
Thank you, I will
Great engineering, well done
As a learner I am always learning myself thanks Joe
Thanks Joe
Great demo, I'll be sure to use it!
You're about two weeks late on this one Joe. I have a few square 5C collets and needed to use my 3/8" one to drill a hole down the center of a square piece of aluminum, but my 3/8" collet was way too small (likely a 9mm). I was able to do it in the mill, but now I can make a split bushing instead of having to buy a replacement collet. A very creative solution!
very good video joe..thanks for your time
Nicely done and explained Joe. Thanks.
I Ike your resourcefulness!!!!
Very good explanation. Thanks Joe.
Just an idea. Cut a groove or two for thin o-rings that match the OD of the split collet. That way when you place the collet back in storage it stays all in one piece. Just make sure yhe o-rings are not above the OD of the working diameter of the collet.
Another home made collet trick. Say you have a need for X number of parts with a diameter turned eccentric to the main diameter. Make a solid piece blank for the collet and then drill and ream a thru hole offset the amount to match the eccentric offset of the part. Then use a slitting saw to cut the collet body with the saw centered on the line going through the hole and the collet body. Cut most of the way through the collet leaving about .125" or 3mm. Using an etched or engraving tool mark the stock diameter and offset.
I like the suggestion. It would be very helpful if you had a bunch of these in very close sizes.
@@joepie221
I thought of using individual prescription bottles that uses up space pretty fast.
So good at explaining. You should be a teacher of students
Hello Joe,
Nicely done and well explained, thank you.
Take care.
Paul,,
Thanks Paul.
Well that's another useful fixturing tip to add to my Little Black Book. Thanks once more Joe! I was trying to work out how to make a collet to grip a rectangular cross-section part like WR-6 waveguide (125 x 93 thousandths external, 65 x 32.5 internal). I think I can see how to make a hex collet using the same technique. I don't have a Spindexer, but I do have a Harig Grind-All #1
Very nice job 😊.
Thank you!
Always amazed. You know your stuff!
Realy great!!! It is important to understand some gemometry and use it. I have used this method to make fixtures for grinding squere stock HSS lathe tools on my D-bit grinder. Works great.😊
Exactly what I want to make them for!
Awesome lesson…tks for sharing
Greetings Chuck. Thanks for stopping by.
Great video can you show the opposite end of your head stock I would like to see how your coats are tightened
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Great vid
I've a few machine vices need new handles
Will this work for a vice handle ? weld the two together
Mr. Pete does a video on making a square hole that may be helpful. If you have a welder. You could also broach the hole.
Very informative and helpful, thank you!
I like what experience always says, Joe. Nice stuff.😊
Something to be learned every time I tune in . Thanks Joe
Great explanation and demonstration! Thanks, Joe! … Bill
Is that last inspection video captured by a microscope Joe? If not, how did you get it? Great job.
Thanks for helping a complete amateur. Dad became a J-man in 1960, showed him my DRO and he said "what the hell is that thing" Thanks again.
I love how informative these videos are. Are there specific advantages to this approach compared to a simple split bushing tube for workholding of square stock ?
I can see advantage for doing this to use on square tubing that might be distorted by pressure on the corners.
Just what I needed. Thanks!!
You make it look so easy. I would have been trying to hold the 2 halves to make the square cut down the middle
A lovely shop gem :)
thanks Joe, as always 👍
this works great for square stock, but...
have you got any recommendations for making a collet holder for rectangular material?
my job is 1/8" by 1/16" and it needs 1/16" pin in the centre
the only way I could think of is by rotating the half collet pieces by diagonal angle instead of 45deg
and using half cutter moves (1/16" and 1/32") from the centre?
Nice 😃 and while I’ll probably never do this in this lifetime , this is far more interesting than watching someone solving a mathematical puzzle on paper 😃🍻
Thankyou
Thank you!
Wish I could get the run out in my collet chuck out
Tool post grinder.
I am totally amazed at what you are capable of doing. I have enjoyed watching you build all these miniture tools and machines. Keep up the good and informative work.
Thank you very much!
Thanks for sharing
Half an hour, I'd still be messing up good material tomorrow too.
Ha! Very clever Joe. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Guy. Thanks for stopping by.
The spin indexer is such a versatile (an relatively inexpensive) tool that everyone with a manual mill should have one and an accompanying set of 5C collets.
Absolutely.
Very well explained, Joe.
You should teach shop.
👍
🦅 🇺🇸 🦅
It’s like the part has it’s own personality…a split personality.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
nice work! could you use this idea to hold hex stock? thanks
Yes, absolutely
Great information as always. I have been playing with the idea of getting a set of 5c square and hex collet. This looks like a great way to save money on square collets. Now what I am trying to figure out is the best way to make bushings for hex stock. Would the best way to make them is to make the bushing out of three pieces and replicate what you did in this video?
Also, would it make sense to cut a recess on the outside and use a small o ring to keep the pieces of the bushing together?
Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of information with us and future viewers
You are a master with teaching machining.
My brain is starting to smoke. But I'm gonna keep watching until it stops!
Very clearly explained
Thanks for sharing 👍 Were any French fries hurt in the making of this video?
Hey Joe Good info here. thannks Bro. Well done and it shows with minimal "fancy tooling." you did well.
I'm gonna go watch Blondi and see how she messes up something. Nothing but love for the girl, but she is NOT a teacher like you, and maybe Me. Thanks again, bo!
Truely enjoy your shows.
Dean
Tomorrow is a 400 part day. All same ol same ol, but no CNC, although I do have digi readouts, the first step in cheating. :) Good night, bro! Going to see what Blondi and Mr "Pete" are doing. Hope they are both well and happy, Then, to bed!
And bless you, Blo
Thanks Dean. Glad you enjoy the vids.
Good thing you were not a high school math & shop teacher. Your teaching style would have steered too many young people to become machinists thus flooding the market resulting in lower industry wages and high unemployment in the machining sector. Your explanation with the paper was fantastic and allowed this over-educated engineer understand what was going on at the mill.
I could have single handedly undermined the US economy and had a bunch of blue collar guys really mad at me. Glad it didn't go that way. Thanks for the comment.
@@joepie221 I guess it turned out alright since instead you helped a lot of old guys & gals get new knees. In all the videos that I have watched, I dont recall picking up on things you did between high school and the orthopedic place. Perhaps you haven't mentioned intentionally or I am not paying close enough attention. Might make a interesting video talking and some show and tell of stuff you have done along way, if you care to share that much about yourself.
Priceless training from the master!
Keep up the good work Joe.
Hi joe great video. Help me out I lost the website to small machine store can you help out
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How would you suggest turning it 45° without a spin indexer, damned if I can think of a way ?
Invest in one, or a rotary table. Option 2 is angle gauges, your vice and a dial indicator/indicol on your quill. Joe also has an excellent video on making angle gauges if you only need one or a specific one.
@@sticks7817 Can't afford a spin indexer or a Rotary Table, that's why I asked. I have both square and Hex ER32 collet blocks, so I guess something to tilt the square one 45° is the best option
Although you may loose some x-y position, holding a square collet block in a V block gives you an immediate 45 degree shift.
@@joepie221 I did think about that myself while lying in bed trying to get to sleep 👍
Dang I needed a little more .
nice, thanks again
Interesting.
I always just cut those just clamped in the vise with just Y & Z, never had any accuracy issues.
👍 thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the visit
Where do you get these "kits"?
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Brilliant
Thanks.
Nice work, Joe. Would relieving the corners on the bushings help at all? Nonetheless, looked like it worked out 👍
Internally, they were dead sharp, externally, the corner did have a small relief.
Your milling head not exactly trammed to 90 degree to the table or why did the cutter only made a mark on one side with the red sharpie?
The vise is on a rotary table. It may be off a minute or two. The head is fine.