i am a scot from a working class miners village from the east end of glasgow,my village and many others lost jobs that were seemed to be bedded in the bedrock,yet i still believe,Margaret Thatcher was the saviour of our nation,the industries that we used to rely upon were all dead in the water,she knew this,yes it was extremely harsh,but we needed it,now look at Scotland,a vibrant economy and a sector of private industry that will last for centuries....thank you Mrs T,you laid the foundations for what we have today.
Ditto,ditto,The Dragonslayer from Michael Portillo. Why so many people screamed at Margaret Thatcher regarding the miner's strikes. I could not grasp that at all. Miners were battling miners. She wasn't in the middle of the strike actions. The night of her third conservative win was magnificent,and,showed just what a lady M Thatcher was. She had incredible poise,unbelievable articulation,and,immaculate humour. What her colleagues did to her was unforgivable.
@@highphysics3617 She also had a good dose of dumb luck, if the stupid Junta in Argentina had not erupted and given Thatcher a nice war on a silver plate she would never have gotten that third term. Dumb luck, Aggression and jingoism sure worked in her favor.
Portillo would have been a great PM, . Thatcher had a job to do she done a great job looking back at it now, Labour closed more coal pits than Thatcher.
Michael Portillo had something the other post Thatcher Tory leaders never had: GLAMOUR. He would have been the only one to have a slight chance against Tony Blair. It shouldn't be the last time that Tories chose the wrong leader.
I watch this far too often...such an excellent political documentary; fascinating topic, persuasive narrative, great interviews. Unlike Michael Cockerell's 'Living with Boris' show, or whatever it was called.
I like Portillo’s “Problem with the Tories” documentary more. It was done when all the Brexit deadlock stuff was going on in 2019. Many of the same events are discussed but with updated perspectives. It talks about how the EU issue has been a thorn in the Conservative and Unionist Party’s side for decades, like a curse.
@@jackwilliamsmith8734The European issue also convulsed Labour to the point that the SDP split off. Quite how Labour subsequently became so unified as Europhiles is a story to tell
I am an uneducated Japanese of humble means but I am inclined to believe that no party will ever do the like of this again. Japan has not been entirely democratic over the last 150 years but even for an average Japanese, what has been done to Mrs Thatcher later the Lady Thatcher does not make sense.
tnakai1971jp You Japanese conservatives are less monetarist compared to Thatcher. Her policy was more dictated by market forces. Japan's government cares more about way of life, such as safe guarding manufacturing jobs, I believe.
tnakai197tjp..."Humble means" MAYBE---i've not seen your mansion---"uneducated"? -----"Education" is what one makes of it, & it's awfully-often confused with "wisdom"; worse, wisdom is often sneered at by "educated" fools, the greater the "education" the nastier the sneer. This brings us to "what has been done to Mrs. Thatcher". -----I imagine you've seen the famous engraving of Gulliver "restrained" by the Lilliputians. Thus are statesmen*harried by demagogues. -----From Japan to America to every place in the world, your perception should be visible and your humility your honor. Any who differ with what you said show deficiency of perception, if not of wisdom; folk so hobbled very often show deficiency of humility. Funny how they're widely honored--- -----But by each other, my friend, and only by each other. -----BRAVO for your defense of the Lady's honor. * YOU know i mean the term GENERICALLY, Snowflake. You've been listening to too many damn demagogues.
Note that this very interesting documentary was made in 2007. David Cameron was leader of the opposition and Tony Blair was in the process of handing over to Gordon Brown. The date of posting on TH-cam (September 2012) should be disregarded when looking at the political context in which this film was made. See last frame with date' MMVII'.
Even if he had have won his seat in 1997, he said why should he bother standing to lead a party which will never win the next general election, as the mountain was too high to climb in 4 years, when Labour won a 179 seat majority.
The exchange between Portillo and Howard starting at 57:00 is recreated almost word for word in Portillo's "Trouble with the Tories" from last night, filmed in 2019. Of course this documentary is from about a decade earlier, but it makes me think that there must be an element of scripting to these interviews.
Or they've simply had that conversation so many times they almost know it off-by-heart. And these things are rehearsed and/or reshot, sometimes more than once. It's not scripted....
She was vehement in her dislike of what they were doing regarding Brexit. Look at it now. She had her head together even then !" No,no,no."...remember?
Thatcher was monumental, and the Tories only fully reunited with David Cameron as a one nation Conservative. The country’s relationship with Europe is even more problematic and has been the Tories Achilles heel for 50yrs. It’s destroyed May.
There are two types of people in this world, those who do and achieve lots and make many mistakes and there are those who make no mistakes but do nothing
Totally agree. Thatcherite policies would be very popular now. People are starting to realise that she was right; not only, as you mention, on Europe but that, to paraphrase her, 'the problem with socialism is that you end up running out of other people's money'.
The problem with the Tories leadership election in 97 was all the candidates were old models from a previous time. If you just look at them all standing in that group they are all 1960s 70s and 80s politicians. Labour looked like a party for the millennium, the Tories seemed like they were still somewhere in the mid 80s.
Michael Portillo. Not Thatcher's protege. Thatcher's lacky. One of many. A dark episode in British political history. Nearly as dark as the current one.
The Tories removed her to their cost, they turned on her and replaced her with Major, a decent enough and well meaning guy, but it was the beginning of the end for the party. He won in 92 to be fair, but that was more better the devil and no one wanted Kinnock and a reversion to high taxes and nationalised industries, and although he won the election the party was on the slide and once Kinnock was out, Smith & Blair had the labour party going in the right way. The Tories will look back with regret on kicking the old girl out and should have let the public do it at an election. Thatcher did what was needed to get us back on our feet and yes it was harsh in places but it was needed. The party never really recovered and the it's still divided over Europe, it's always been their achilles
Mrs Thatcher was and remains the greatest PM. No other leader has come close todate. The way she was treated and ousted by those men in her cabinet is shameful. Love Alan Clarks diaries documentary the whole episode. As for the poll tax I was 18 when it was being introduced. I thought it was fair then and remain of the same opinion 30 years on. Good documentary. Sadly history seems to repeat itself with the Tories.
In later years did Lawson ever recant his advocacy for the pound to join the euro? Because Thatcher was 100% correct in her policy instincts on this one.
11:55 - Do Not Be Fooled! Ed Vaizey saying he was a Thatcherite is no surprise. Born the son of a Labour peer. Educated at St Paul's School London and Oxford. Qualified as a barrister. Not exactly your typical teenager interested in politics. Yes, he is probably now a moderate Tory.
He’s wet! A Pink Tory who got suspended after he went against the three-line-whip to vote to allow Opposition MPs to seize control of Parliamentary business so that they may thwart Brexit.
Funny how the Maastricht rebels planned to try stop European integration, yet they helped bring down Majors government and put in a PM who supported a European superstate and even wanted to destroy the pound, something major certainly opposed.
it wasn't the fact that they got rid of a leader who won three elections ... it was the fact that she went mad with her own perceived power ... "i do everything in this government" ... she lost her ability to lead ... she "ordered" ... she became disoriented with the reality of the UK ... in other words: she went f*****g nuts.
"I don't want to sound complacent "....he said in a slurring voice!!..imagine your private secretary being utterly squiffy before the most momentus vote of your career!!
The conclusion of this, that a successful leader must stylize after the fads of Neoliberalism & Globalism...has been totally rebutted by BREXIT, Trump, Orban & Salvini. Howard was on target running on tighter immigration in 2005...he should have done so more forcefully. The Tories should also have opposed the Iraq war.
@@johnking5174 Depends on the measure. For example if it is land then more land equals more paid. Was it really only because it was a flat tax? You telling me half the country was up in arms because of that? WoW!
@@johnnotrealname8168 Yes, as Kenneth Baker, one of Thatcher's cabinet ministers said, it led to an old aged couple on their pension paying £600 a year poll tax, when just the previous year they were paying £200 council tax. How fair is that? £600 a year for someone earning say £25,000 a year in 1990 was peanuts of course, but for pensioners with a trickle of income and not much savings, it ruined them.
Conveniently forgets all the Tory sleaze which was a huge factor in the downfall of the Tories. Makes it sound like it was a noble disagreement over policy that brought them down.
Despite what anyone thinks, I will always say that Margaret Thatcher was the best PM we ever had. She was the first I remember and easily the best of all those we’ve had since. Not one of them could ever match her. Oh, how we could have done with her throughout all these years. She would never have allowed the UK to fall apart as it has done.
I have to say that I never agreed with Maggie's politics or how she was towards the end especially towards people like Geoffrey Howe. However, I will give her these things. You knew what she stood for. There's none of the flip floppery we have now. Also, in that last question time we saw, despite all what was going on, she hit back with humour. I'm not sure I could have done that. And thirdly, while I do think she was in an untenable position and had to go, the way it was done was quite bad (It's happening again now). If possible, an election should have been called. The guy who was campaigning for her probably knew she wasn't going to win. However, what he did was underhanded - he should have said straight up what he thought. That said, she shouldn't have assumed that she could rely on him or at least kept a regular check on his actions. Given how things were, she should have been aware that winning wasn't certain. Very interesting documentary though.
What a one-sided affair this film is. But interesting that it reveals, among other things, Cameron's antidemocratoc mindset. Supporting your leader no matter what, even when the point of a leadership election is to determine who should lead the party. Cameron is a true Leninist.
She will never be remembered for any good, milk in schools gone, poll tax, miners, wars and her son in Africa to rise up to destabilise a country her daughter is only one who hasn't caused madness
not really a tatcherite; for goodness sake i'm not even a brit (although a bit of an anglophile at times, like only a old fashioned colonial could be...) BUT SHE WAS SOMETHING. These interviews show that, as every leader from Ceasar onwards, she was surrounded by enemies and weaklings. She was right on the dangers of disposing of the nation state and being squeezed between the French administrative state and a Germanic Protectionistic Econo-cracy. And a looming US buggering us in the process. On the community charge, she was right, but only partially so, which usually is the genesis of the worst errors.
Bingham seems obsessed with betrayals, whining endlessly about how Thatcher was betrayed (she wasn't) while blasting Major for constantly being betrayed (which he was).
I'd never vote for these populist conservatives! Thatcher's policy of conviction over consensus is completely lost on them - principles aren't supposed to be changed with fashion, her ideas didn't need "modernizing" because they work in any time!
I wish Maggie resigned in 1989 so we still had 10 years of Maggie, around when that first minor leadership election happened in 89. If she resigned then and Major took over, I think the Conservative Party would have been United in the 90s that meant no new labour and Major would have won in 1997 and we have 20+ years of 2 great PMs. All by a simple change of 1 year.
These people turned the Tories from Conservatives to the Labor party just a bit less crazy (sometimes). The rest of the time the difference is far from noticeable.
anyone purusing the comment section do not be fooled. She was an extreme conservative, in her first term her economic policies were such a disaster, she had to u turn and it caused a mini recession.Only reason she got re-elected was bcs of the falkland war and how it boosted her popularity. And let's not forget the poll tax
Strange how Portillo has re-invented himself as a liberal minded and wise broadcaster. His voice is grating: listening to him is what I think a bucket of warm shit would sound like could it speak.
This program is actually quite exhausting and stressful to watch the speed that it rushes through events would make Gonzales jealous. Way way to condensed
Thatcher was an awful politician: she was trying to imitate a Queen. Politicians should be diplomatic and focus on progress. She failed in Europe because dilomacy and discussion for mutually beneficial outcomes are valued not egocentric domination.
i am a scot from a working class miners village from the east end of glasgow,my village and many others lost jobs that were seemed to be bedded in the bedrock,yet i still believe,Margaret Thatcher was the saviour of our nation,the industries that we used to rely upon were all dead in the water,she knew this,yes it was extremely harsh,but we needed it,now look at Scotland,a vibrant economy and a sector of private industry that will last for centuries....thank you Mrs T,you laid the foundations for what we have today.
Ditto,ditto,The Dragonslayer from Michael Portillo. Why so many people screamed at Margaret Thatcher regarding the miner's strikes. I could not grasp that at all. Miners were battling miners. She wasn't in the middle of the strike actions. The night of her third conservative win was magnificent,and,showed just what a lady M Thatcher was. She had incredible poise,unbelievable articulation,and,immaculate humour. What her colleagues did to her was unforgivable.
@@highphysics3617
She also had a good dose of dumb luck, if the stupid Junta in Argentina had not erupted and given Thatcher a nice war on a silver plate she would never have gotten that third term.
Dumb luck, Aggression and jingoism sure worked in her favor.
She is sucking Hitlers cock in hell at the moment.
Portillo would have been a great PM, . Thatcher had a job to do she done a great job looking back at it now, Labour closed more coal pits than Thatcher.
Trouble is I never think he wanted to be PM, he had many chances and didn't take it.
Labour close coal pits sources
Excellent program.God Bless Lady Thatcher .
Honk
The woman who made Britain great again. Nice opening sequence btw.
The voice of Reason: Mrs. Thatcher . Thank you for all you've done .
Michael Portillo had something the other post Thatcher Tory leaders never had: GLAMOUR. He would have been the only one to have a slight chance against Tony Blair. It shouldn't be the last time that Tories chose the wrong leader.
I watch this far too often...such an excellent political documentary; fascinating topic, persuasive narrative, great interviews. Unlike Michael Cockerell's 'Living with Boris' show, or whatever it was called.
I like Portillo’s “Problem with the Tories” documentary more. It was done when all the Brexit deadlock stuff was going on in 2019. Many of the same events are discussed but with updated perspectives. It talks about how the EU issue has been a thorn in the Conservative and Unionist Party’s side for decades, like a curse.
@@jackwilliamsmith8734The European issue also convulsed Labour to the point that the SDP split off. Quite how Labour subsequently became so unified as Europhiles is a story to tell
@@LongerLasting It has been theorised that it was Jaques Delores’ address to the TUC in the late 1980s that did it for them.
I love the unintended pun by Ken Clarke at 51:30 "...it was a 'major' political catastrophe".
What a clever title! I love it! And, of course, Michael is hugely engaging. But then, he always is.
I am an uneducated Japanese of humble means but I am inclined to believe that no party will ever do the like of this again. Japan has not been entirely democratic over the last 150 years but even for an average Japanese, what has been done to Mrs Thatcher later the Lady Thatcher does not make sense.
tnakai1971jp We couldn't wait to get rid of her.
tnakai1971jp You Japanese conservatives are less monetarist compared to Thatcher. Her policy was more dictated by market forces. Japan's government cares more about way of life, such as safe guarding manufacturing jobs, I believe.
tnakai197tjp..."Humble means" MAYBE---i've not seen your mansion---"uneducated"?
-----"Education" is what one makes of it, & it's awfully-often confused with "wisdom"; worse, wisdom is often sneered at by "educated" fools, the greater the "education" the nastier the sneer. This brings us to "what has been done to Mrs. Thatcher".
-----I imagine you've seen the famous engraving of Gulliver "restrained" by the Lilliputians. Thus are statesmen*harried by demagogues.
-----From Japan to America to every place in the world, your perception should be visible and your humility your honor. Any who differ with what you said show deficiency of perception, if not of wisdom; folk so hobbled very often show deficiency of humility. Funny how they're widely honored---
-----But by each other, my friend, and only by each other.
-----BRAVO for your defense of the Lady's honor.
* YOU know i mean the term GENERICALLY, Snowflake. You've been listening to too many damn demagogues.
Thatcher was a despicable human being who fooled gullible people to vote for her and I'm right wing.
Aunque hayan transcurrido diez años,sigue siendo un bonito y sentido homenaje a esta Gran Mujer
So sad portillo didn’t quite make it. This is an honest, nuanced and graceful documentary.
i think it was for the best. he´s better as a colorful television personality than a conviction politician
Best PM EVER. Could do with her now
Note that this very interesting documentary was made in 2007. David Cameron was leader of the opposition and Tony Blair was in the process of handing over to Gordon Brown. The date of posting on TH-cam (September 2012) should be disregarded when looking at the political context in which this film was made. See last frame with date' MMVII'.
I like to think of this as the Tory version of "The Wilderness Years"
Also, lol at Michael Howard's struggle with answering these questions
Michael Portilo the greatest prime minister we never had. He would have been a great leader.
Even if he had have won his seat in 1997, he said why should he bother standing to lead a party which will never win the next general election, as the mountain was too high to climb in 4 years, when Labour won a 179 seat majority.
@@johnking5174 Tory party full of snowflakes
When I saw the finality of what they did to thatcher I cried tears 😭
Of joy
There are some cracking music choices.
Cracking music, but what are the pieces? I can only name one...
@@peterroberts6933 Roads by Portishead is at 40:45
"losing a chancellor is generally a sign of a government falling apart"
Look at how those words came to haunt the Tories again.
How right she was on Europe.
I love that bloody women forever.
Absolute certainty as to right and wrong is a valuable commodity in politics.
why does this randomly have such a banger soundtrack lmao
The exchange between Portillo and Howard starting at 57:00 is recreated almost word for word in Portillo's "Trouble with the Tories" from last night, filmed in 2019. Of course this documentary is from about a decade earlier, but it makes me think that there must be an element of scripting to these interviews.
Or they've simply had that conversation so many times they almost know it off-by-heart. And these things are rehearsed and/or reshot, sometimes more than once. It's not scripted....
@@Eat-MyGoal Yeah I suspect it is this. There is a similar prompt from Portillo but Howard's response is different.
I really disliked Margaret Thatcher but I wish we had her in charge of the Brexit negotiations.
Same here
She was vehement in her dislike of what they were doing regarding Brexit. Look at it now. She had her head together even then !" No,no,no."...remember?
Thatcher was monumental, and the Tories only fully reunited with David Cameron as a one nation Conservative. The country’s relationship with Europe is even more problematic and has been the Tories Achilles heel for 50yrs. It’s destroyed May.
Best man in England!
There are two types of people in this world, those who do and achieve lots and make many mistakes and there are those who make no mistakes but do nothing
Totally agree. Thatcherite policies would be very popular now. People are starting to realise that she was right; not only, as you mention, on Europe but that, to paraphrase her, 'the problem with socialism is that you end up running out of other people's money'.
The problem with the Tories leadership election in 97 was all the candidates were old models from a previous time. If you just look at them all standing in that group they are all 1960s 70s and 80s politicians. Labour looked like a party for the millennium, the Tories seemed like they were still somewhere in the mid 80s.
Why did David C. not fully embrace Thatcherism as Prime Minister only softly trend in those steps.
"thatcheritescot" ??? My God, send in David Attenborough, it looks like it may be a new species!
Michael Portillo.
Not Thatcher's protege. Thatcher's lacky. One of many.
A dark episode in British political history.
Nearly as dark as the current one.
Hugely interesting, but why does the sound disappear so often?
It may be something to do with copyright.
Agreed, Mr Portillo
The Tories removed her to their cost, they turned on her and replaced her with Major, a decent enough and well meaning guy, but it was the beginning of the end for the party. He won in 92 to be fair, but that was more better the devil and no one wanted Kinnock and a reversion to high taxes and nationalised industries, and although he won the election the party was on the slide and once Kinnock was out, Smith & Blair had the labour party going in the right way. The Tories will look back with regret on kicking the old girl out and should have let the public do it at an election. Thatcher did what was needed to get us back on our feet and yes it was harsh in places but it was needed. The party never really recovered and the it's still divided over Europe, it's always been their achilles
Mrs Thatcher was and remains the greatest PM. No other leader has come close todate. The way she was treated and ousted by those men in her cabinet is shameful. Love Alan Clarks diaries documentary the whole episode. As for the poll tax I was 18 when it was being introduced. I thought it was fair then and remain of the same opinion 30 years on. Good documentary. Sadly history seems to repeat itself with the Tories.
Whatever the narrative weaknesses, my goodness, Cameron was a lightweight.
The Lord Portillo of Redtrouser and Trainjourney
That young Portillo had more sugar in his tank than 4 Dunkin Holiday Frappuccinos.
In later years did Lawson ever recant his advocacy for the pound to join the euro? Because Thatcher was 100% correct in her policy instincts on this one.
Yes he is actually now a ardent brexiteer and campaigned for the UK to leave the EU
These BBC political docos always have great music.
And here we are in 2022 with a Conservative in name only Party.
11:55 - Do Not Be Fooled! Ed Vaizey saying he was a Thatcherite is no surprise. Born the son of a Labour peer. Educated at St Paul's School London and Oxford. Qualified as a barrister. Not exactly your typical teenager interested in politics. Yes, he is probably now a moderate Tory.
He’s wet! A Pink Tory who got suspended after he went against the three-line-whip to vote to allow Opposition MPs to seize control of Parliamentary business so that they may thwart Brexit.
Funny how the Maastricht rebels planned to try stop European integration, yet they helped bring down Majors government and put in a PM who supported a European superstate and even wanted to destroy the pound, something major certainly opposed.
it wasn't the fact that they got rid of a leader who won three elections ... it was the fact that she went mad with her own perceived power ... "i do everything in this government" ... she lost her ability to lead ... she "ordered" ... she became disoriented with the reality of the UK ... in other words: she went f*****g nuts.
"I don't want to sound complacent "....he said in a slurring voice!!..imagine your private secretary being utterly squiffy before the most momentus vote of your career!!
Does anyone know which version of “Feeling Good” is used around 1:02:10?
Nina Simone?
Does anyone know the song at 18:42?
What a remarkable lady
The conclusion of this, that a successful leader must stylize after the fads of Neoliberalism & Globalism...has been totally rebutted by BREXIT, Trump, Orban & Salvini. Howard was on target running on tighter immigration in 2005...he should have done so more forcefully. The Tories should also have opposed the Iraq war.
What was wrong with the poll tax? More people paying a tax is not in itself bad.
It was a flat rate for everyone. So whether you were a multi millionaire or on the dole, you all paid the same rate. How fair is that?
@@johnking5174 Depends on the measure. For example if it is land then more land equals more paid. Was it really only because it was a flat tax? You telling me half the country was up in arms because of that? WoW!
@@johnnotrealname8168 Yes, as Kenneth Baker, one of Thatcher's cabinet ministers said, it led to an old aged couple on their pension paying £600 a year poll tax, when just the previous year they were paying £200 council tax. How fair is that? £600 a year for someone earning say £25,000 a year in 1990 was peanuts of course, but for pensioners with a trickle of income and not much savings, it ruined them.
@@johnking5174 I thought he proposed the idea.
@@johnnotrealname8168 No, he had to implement it.
Portillo still hot
Noooooooo
Conveniently forgets all the Tory sleaze which was a huge factor in the downfall of the Tories. Makes it sound like it was a noble disagreement over policy that brought them down.
Despite what anyone thinks, I will always say that Margaret Thatcher was the best PM we ever had. She was the first I remember and easily the best of all those we’ve had since. Not one of them could ever match her. Oh, how we could have done with her throughout all these years. She would never have allowed the UK to fall apart as it has done.
Sounds cuts out a couple of times around 1 hour through
Matt Burdett I wonder if the uploader was warned about copyright of a song and cut it out.
She was, at least, economically a 19th century Liberal
And God did Britian need one -Ireland now does
You know that 19th century economic liberalism led to the hands-off approach to the Irish Famine, right?
There are some brilliant pieces of music used, does anyone have a listing for the different tracks?
Peter Roberts I dunno but I just recognised CURVE! at 6 minutes! Wow!
Peter Roberts Mainly Philip Glass & Michael Nyman music. If you pinpoint a specific track I can tell you what it is.
Twin Peaks song at the 43 minute mark. Weird choice Portillo
Time is the Lord of the True.
I have to say that I never agreed with Maggie's politics or how she was towards the end especially towards people like Geoffrey Howe. However, I will give her these things. You knew what she stood for. There's none of the flip floppery we have now. Also, in that last question time we saw, despite all what was going on, she hit back with humour. I'm not sure I could have done that. And thirdly, while I do think she was in an untenable position and had to go, the way it was done was quite bad (It's happening again now). If possible, an election should have been called. The guy who was campaigning for her probably knew she wasn't going to win. However, what he did was underhanded - he should have said straight up what he thought. That said, she shouldn't have assumed that she could rely on him or at least kept a regular check on his actions. Given how things were, she should have been aware that winning wasn't certain. Very interesting documentary though.
The name of the song 15:20
What a one-sided affair this film is.
But interesting that it reveals, among other things, Cameron's antidemocratoc mindset. Supporting your leader no matter what, even when the point of a leadership election is to determine who should lead the party. Cameron is a true Leninist.
Apparently every Tory grandee of the last 50 years is here but John Major didn't consent to be interviewed. The worst of the lot.
Oh to have a PM with guts like Maggie again
Coal gas oil is in decline like socialism and unions you're fucked
Without conviction. Boring and managerial is precisely who David Cameron is.
Thatcher blew it, plain and simple.
rcx8666c ??
I wonder if Michael took the train.
She will never be remembered for any good, milk in schools gone, poll tax, miners, wars and her son in Africa to rise up to destabilise a country her daughter is only one who hasn't caused madness
lol to Iain Duncan smith!
David Mellor describing Ian Duncan-Smith as “The most lamentable choice for leader for the Conservative Party” has aged a bit poorly.
If the problem with socialism is running out of other peoples' money, when will your channel run out of other peoples' content?
I think we can say the Tory party are moving away from Thatchers legacy
Michael Howard's a bit of a hostile witness throughout most of this programme.
not really a tatcherite; for goodness sake i'm not even a brit (although a bit of an anglophile at times, like only a old fashioned colonial could be...) BUT SHE WAS SOMETHING. These interviews show that, as every leader from Ceasar onwards, she was surrounded by enemies and weaklings.
She was right on the dangers of disposing of the nation state and being squeezed between the French administrative state and a Germanic Protectionistic Econo-cracy. And a looming US buggering us in the process.
On the community charge, she was right, but only partially so, which usually is the genesis of the worst errors.
Bingham seems obsessed with betrayals, whining endlessly about how Thatcher was betrayed (she wasn't) while blasting Major for constantly being betrayed (which he was).
Major failed because Blair was a liar ego promised all to to all with a smile 😊
The new dawn of tony Blair a satanic illuminati error
I'd never vote for these populist conservatives! Thatcher's policy of conviction over consensus is completely lost on them - principles aren't supposed to be changed with fashion, her ideas didn't need "modernizing" because they work in any time!
Matt Arnold nothing populist about them
I wish Maggie resigned in 1989 so we still had 10 years of Maggie, around when that first minor leadership election happened in 89. If she resigned then and Major took over, I think the Conservative Party would have been United in the 90s that meant no new labour and Major would have won in 1997 and we have 20+ years of 2 great PMs. All by a simple change of 1 year.
It’s a little more complicated than that.
Was there a technical fault on the sound of Tony's landslide or could you just not bear to hear it? Hilarious coincidence, if that's what it was.
To dump thatcher for major were they crazy!
What is the point of the constant bloody annoying background music had to cut short watching
Thatcherite Scot? Oh... you're the one!
These people turned the Tories from Conservatives to the Labor party just a bit less crazy (sometimes). The rest of the time the difference is far from noticeable.
You know in the modern age
She'd be considered anti-Semitic
he became a tory in uni, humm bet it was free too
36:54 Skinner 🤣😂🤣
anyone purusing the comment section do not be fooled. She was an extreme conservative, in her first term her economic policies were such a disaster, she had to u turn and it caused a mini recession.Only reason she got re-elected was bcs of the falkland war and how it boosted her popularity. And let's not forget the poll tax
Portillos wrong if basic things are run great 👍 party raises money has organization that party wins
Boris Johnson is full Nigel farage
A few honorable expections but mostly a snake slithers around snakes. How arrogant and vile is Mellor (never at the chancery bar).
If only Portillo knew what lay ahead. An even larger disaster to befall his country because of his party.
Strange how Portillo has re-invented himself as a liberal minded and wise broadcaster. His voice is grating: listening to him is what I think a bucket of warm shit would sound like could it speak.
Josh Tate Very true but Thatcher FFsakes, was a talking pile of excrement.
This program is actually quite exhausting and stressful to watch the speed that it rushes through events would make Gonzales jealous.
Way way to condensed
I never thought she was brilliant
england needs an absolute monarch and P/s/p
Thatcher was an awful politician: she was trying to imitate a Queen.
Politicians should be diplomatic and focus on progress.
She failed in Europe because dilomacy and discussion for mutually beneficial outcomes are valued not egocentric domination.
And Cameron ran away Teresa ran away weak dull boring
Major Was a minor
Michael Howards even worse in interviews where he isnt being critisised