Crazy how powerful the human mind is and what it can produce had they not told themselves they can make it out there they wouldn’t simple as that them saying listen we gonna make it out here doing something is what kept them alive had they said it’s no chance they would Al have sat there an waited to die the fact that they knew it was hopeless but still said let’s try these methods in a hopeless situation is proof the mind is capable of almost anything cause that was a 100 percent death sentence until they beat it
It's so cute to listen to all these newcomers to this fantastic story it's been a part of my life for more than 20 some years hard to shake this story it can obsess you
@@annapanke I suggest reading the book Society of the snow the movie follows that book not alive because the society of the snow book was written by someone who was friends with the survivors since childhood so it's more accurate I think
having an issue with the Barbie movie instead of any other nominee just shows that you either didn’t see it and judge out of ignorance, or seen it and didn’t understand it.
Unfortunately you have to be a once in a decade foreign language film phenomenon to be nominated for Best Picture. This movie deserves it but not for the Academy’s 😢
Whilst I agree SotS should have been up for best picture, Barbie had *massive* cultural impact and was enjoyed by millions all around the world. Maybe it didn't mean much to you, but to many, many others it did. I can totally understand why it's in the top 10. The movies that this movie should have/could have replaced is probably maestro or American fiction, which I still think are good movies but had flaws enough that I don't think they should be in the best picture spot. Id replace either with this one.
11:44 this shot of Fito on the helicopter watching the plane slowly fade out of sight… one of my favourite parts of this movie. I can’t even imagine how they must’ve been feeling on that day
Love this. One recommendation for those who have not watched the movie. Make sure you watch it in Spanish, when you listen to them speaking Spanish with the accent the real survivors have, makes the movie more authentic. Besides, the emotions are transmitted in a better way when you watch it in Spanish.
THE most important point. Some people do not understand… people lose so much meaning and emotions when they don’t watch or listen in OV. Definitely use those subtitles.
The Society of the Snow, the new film is a true jewel!!! Must watch! First of all is the first film that really shows what happened without any "Hollywood" dramatisation and also shows the real discussions, the real dialogues, the real mountains and is the only film the survivors really feel that the narrative is what really happened and it also shows how they, and this includes the ones that died worked all together for the good of the group! J. Bayona did a masterpiece of a film here... he deserves the oscar!
How ironic to come across this interview with these two young survivors; I had just watched the movie last night! BRAVO for what all of you did in surviving under such horrific conditions! May the rest of your lives be very blessed 😊❤️
Lol do you honestly think that it's a coincidence? I promise you it's not. Where was your cellphone while you were watching this movie? I'd be willing to bet it was in the same room as you were in. It listens to you. You can turn on or off whatever feature u want it always will listen to you and knows everything about you. Smarten up.
@bellaperuana64 lol r u? Do your damn research and you would learn that your iPhone listens to you it's not a coincidence. It's happened to me and my friends on multiple occasions so your obviously ill equipped in the brain department to realize this 😅
@@navyton1your cellphone does not listen to you for advertising purposes because it doesn't need to, there's already enough data to predict what your watching habits that you can be advertised to more accurately than you could imagine
wow it wasn’t until i saw this comment that i realized this interview was old! i had a brief thought that i thought nando must have dyed his hair for awards season or something, but no, it’s a few decades old!
@@IlovedallthepeopleI believe the distinction is often that cannibalism is when the person is killed and eaten, anthropophagy is when you consume the flesh of a human who has died of other causes.
@@piratesswoop725 Thats completely wrong. Canibalism means eating someone from your own species. Antropophagy means eating a human being. A wolf eating another wolf is a cannibal, a wolf eating a human means it commited antropophagy. For humans eating other humans both things happen at once for obvious reasons.
@@piratesswoop725 cannibalism means eating a member of your own species, anthropophagy means humans eating humans. It's the exact same thing in this case.
Thank you for sharing this amazing story. Its also nice to recognise that all this survivors even after all they went through in the plane crash plus their determination to survive they went back to their life, became professionals, continue with their life, achieve amazing things, some keep saving lives as doctors and also life examples of keep fighting your battles or as they normally say "each one of you have your personal mountain", very inspiring. In Uruguay they are heroes but they are respected and they can live a normal life without being harassed. There is many interviews and they all worth seeing, it may help you change your perspective in life. Cheers
Literally just finished the movie and it was definitely best movie I’ve seen in last ten yrs .. directing and picture and story line was awsome.. this movie is art.. I couldn’t imagine going thru that. They went completely primal 💪🏽
I’ve been watching several videos of the survivors and I get amazed every time they tell their story. It didn’t occur to me that the avalanche scene happened in complete darkness cause of the scene in the movie, but just imagining it is wild. Digging snow, not sure where your friends are but hoping you find them and go on to dig again to search for the next one immediately. Everything about their experience seems so unbelievable, but they were able to push through and it’s incredible.
My friend told me about this event at first about a year ago and I was really intrigued. I looked up news articles and read about the timeline of events. He has Nando’s book and I plan to read it soon. However, nothing hit me quite like this movie did. Society of the Snow is a spectacular telling of the story, and it does not shy away from the realities, monstrous and miraculous, that these people faced up there. I also really think it was a great choice to have the story told from Numa’s point of view, both because of his extreme reluctance to do the one hardest and most important thing they needed to do to survive, and his position as the last victim to pass.
Well apparently so, As painful as it is I believe we all have a time. Different numbers we were all given from 0-over 100. I’ve always wondered what my number is. Doesn’t everyone?
I'm amazed that almost nobody talks about the movie Alive. It's the original movie made about this crash. I remember watching it as a child back in 1993, and it was such a great movie!
Seems like even 20 years after the crash Nando and Roberto didn’t fully accept that something like that happened to them like they wished it didn’t happened to them unlike in recent interviews where they have accepted it as something had to happen in order for them to be where they are today. As they got older, they began to slowly embrace God’s plan for them.
As time passes on their wounds get into scars. Their situation is so horrific, that even after when they were in their 50's, it still lingers. Now that they are old and wise of years, its something which stays with them and with it comes wisdom.
“god’s plan for them” okay so his plan was to torture them for months, mentally and physically, push them to the point of eating people they cared for, just so they can….grow up and have wisdom? I mean I absolutely respect beliefs, but that’s just not what any God would do.
The English word for "God" comes from the Hebrew word Elohim which means gods. The "gods" that the ancient people worshipped in the beginning were the stars. So the Bible's Genesis 1:1 should have been written as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth".
Damn this movie was really good. I was totally immersed n it was all I thought about man I cant imagine what they went through just watching it must've been hard as hell
@@PaiviProject don’t just take my word for it; all of the survivor agree that Society of the Snow is the more truthful, more realistic movie by far. They say Alive is the “Disneyfied version” of their ordeal in comparison to how bad things were for them. By the end you’ll believe the characters have been stranded 72 days in bad conditions unlike Alive where they’re just a little bit dirty but not much else.
they nearly did-many times. in fact, early on, that was one of the contributing factors in panchito abal’s death, although it was mostly injury. they survived by creating blankets from seat covers and insulation, as well as huddling close together and hitting one another to stimulate blood flow. i’m sure the alcohol they consumed during the coldest nights also helped to raise their body temperatures.
I'm pretty certain that they did. I can't blame or judge them for what they did though. When your survival instincts kick in, you'll end up doing anything you can to survive.
The English word for "God" comes from the Hebrew word Elohim which means gods. The "gods" that the ancient people worshipped in the beginning were the stars. So the Bible's Genesis 1:1 should have been written as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth".
At least read the Wikipedia article about the events to make an informed opinion. Eating the flesh of the dead, and then explaining to a horrified media the reasons they did it in a way that public opinion understands their decision requires guts.
"The society of snow" to me was a mediocre movie. But the story is so beyond comprehension that you could find it was reasonably helpful in understanding the events. Even though I was thinking all the time "these are paid actors" because the acting was mid the sensitivity of the director was not properly tuned in my opinion to the historical tragedy and miracle of these event. Surely better to read a book than to watch it. Actually, let me say that the first half of the movie kept me wishing they made different artistic choices, and the second half was almost good. But I would've liked to see it handled it with much, much more care. But the movie doesn't matter, the story is a testament of human solidarity trough adversity exactly as the survivors say. The story is real, and gives chills to the bones. But mediocre movie on great story doesn't make a movie great. Just my opinion Even though, after all, it is a movie. And movies are not made in 5 minutes. Lots of effort, money and resources spent. So it's not like it's bad. But come on, it is a netflix movie, it is clearly designed to evoke specific reactions with plenty of cliches. When Numa Turcatti passes away, they pass this little sheet of paper, and gosh if I were the director I am sorry but I would have cut that garbage immediately. I was literally hearing them cue the scene before shooting it. I was hearing the thoughts of the actors "oh, I have to do this, but it shouldn't take too much time in the scene". For Christ sake And what pissed me off was how special was the passing away of Marcelo Perez in the movie compared to the others. I get that he was surely a key and strong figure who kept everybody together, but come on. You can't shoot a scene like that. Something like a full minute of this slow shot moving towards his frozen body. Among all that disaster and tragedy! They treated him like a character, not like a real person who actually lived this tragedy. It was awful
Society of the Snow deserves more recognition,such a remarkable movie!
Crazy how powerful the human mind is and what it can produce had they not told themselves they can make it out there they wouldn’t simple as that them saying listen we gonna make it out here doing something is what kept them alive had they said it’s no chance they would Al have sat there an waited to die the fact that they knew it was hopeless but still said let’s try these methods in a hopeless situation is proof the mind is capable of almost anything cause that was a 100 percent death sentence until they beat it
Yes it does
I watched the original movie "ALIVE" back in 93 as a child, it was also a great movie!
I can't stop thinking of this film ever since I watched it. It definitely deserves an oscar. A remarkable movie.
It's so cute to listen to all these newcomers to this fantastic story it's been a part of my life for more than 20 some years hard to shake this story it can obsess you
Same. And just finished the book "Alive". If you are fascinated by the movie same will you by this book.
@@annapanke I suggest reading the book Society of the snow the movie follows that book not alive because the society of the snow book was written by someone who was friends with the survivors since childhood so it's more accurate I think
@@maricopa_today8619 thank you for the recommendation. I will read it too.
I salute these people they sacrifice their life 10 days walking on a dangerous snowy mountain to save the life of their friends God Bless you more
The film was remarkable. I was devastated that it didn’t win best foreign film at The Oscars. Truly an award deserving film.
I can't never get tired of listening to them talking about their ordeal in Los Andes.
The fact Barbie got nominated for best picture over this is absolutely shocking!
It did get nominated for best foreign language picture
@@crystaliclake Yeah... Shouldve been nominated for best picture period.
having an issue with the Barbie movie instead of any other nominee just shows that you either didn’t see it and judge out of ignorance, or seen it and didn’t understand it.
Unfortunately you have to be a once in a decade foreign language film phenomenon to be nominated for Best Picture. This movie deserves it but not for the Academy’s 😢
Whilst I agree SotS should have been up for best picture, Barbie had *massive* cultural impact and was enjoyed by millions all around the world. Maybe it didn't mean much to you, but to many, many others it did. I can totally understand why it's in the top 10. The movies that this movie should have/could have replaced is probably maestro or American fiction, which I still think are good movies but had flaws enough that I don't think they should be in the best picture spot. Id replace either with this one.
70 days! Unbelievable determination. I’m so sorry for everyone involved.
The walker kissed the cross on the rosary and that's why God helped them...
Also the leader was of German descent! Sure strong willed folks ...still.
And despite Hollyweirds strangism for cannibalism it had NOTHING to do with it! It was pure SURVIVAL WILLPOWER!
@@KatharinaK117 Who?
@@anagraff9424 STAUCH n do yr own research!
11:44 this shot of Fito on the helicopter watching the plane slowly fade out of sight… one of my favourite parts of this movie. I can’t even imagine how they must’ve been feeling on that day
Love this. One recommendation for those who have not watched the movie. Make sure you watch it in Spanish, when you listen to them speaking Spanish with the accent the real survivors have, makes the movie more authentic. Besides, the emotions are transmitted in a better way when you watch it in Spanish.
THE most important point. Some people do not understand… people lose so much meaning and emotions when they don’t watch or listen in OV. Definitely use those subtitles.
Yes, but their accent was hard to understand
@@jennyvinyl85use subtitles
The Society of the Snow, the new film is a true jewel!!! Must watch!
First of all is the first film that really shows what happened without any "Hollywood" dramatisation and also shows the real discussions, the real dialogues, the real mountains and is the only film the survivors really feel that the narrative is what really happened and it also shows how they, and this includes the ones that died worked all together for the good of the group!
J. Bayona did a masterpiece of a film here... he deserves the oscar!
This version needs to be shown in the theatres/cinemas. It was quite emotional and impressionable.
It was released worldwide for movie theatres in December
@@Emmenimaliste good to hear 👍
The investor was Netflix, so it only showed in cinemas for a few weeks, before moving to streaming on Netflix from the beginning of January 2024.
@@Dellasus2011 It was released in cinemas so it could qualifiy for oscars
Roberto and Nando legends.
How ironic to come across this interview with these two young survivors; I had just watched the movie last night! BRAVO for what all of you did in surviving under such horrific conditions! May the rest of your lives be very blessed 😊❤️
Lol do you honestly think that it's a coincidence? I promise you it's not. Where was your cellphone while you were watching this movie? I'd be willing to bet it was in the same room as you were in. It listens to you. You can turn on or off whatever feature u want it always will listen to you and knows everything about you. Smarten up.
@@navyton1are you nuts?
@bellaperuana64 lol r u? Do your damn research and you would learn that your iPhone listens to you it's not a coincidence. It's happened to me and my friends on multiple occasions so your obviously ill equipped in the brain department to realize this 😅
@@navyton1your cellphone does not listen to you for advertising purposes because it doesn't need to, there's already enough data to predict what your watching habits that you can be advertised to more accurately than you could imagine
The movie had me in tears. I can NOT imagine what these men when through. Yah Bless Them
I can't believe that avalanche situation was in total darkness inside the plane. Just terrifying.
Hell yeah terrifying fr
This is the absolute best quality tv footage from the early 90s I’ve ever seen! This looks like HD footage that was shot last week!
wow it wasn’t until i saw this comment that i realized this interview was old! i had a brief thought that i thought nando must have dyed his hair for awards season or something, but no, it’s a few decades old!
How people survive such things ( plane crash, trapped minors etc.,) is so fascinating . Such determination.
A touchable picture❤ I've seen the movie 3 times and each time there's something new. It's wonderful
We need more lessons like this, more movies like this.
This was a movie based on a true story, why would you want more people to go through that?
@@CarlosGarcia-tv4rk did I say people should suffer and survive?!!
@@rabiefashiongala yeah, when you said we need more movies like this
@@CarlosGarcia-tv4rk I said that we need more lessons from movies based on true stories and not just rubbish romance
We do not think it was just cannibalism, Mr. Canessa. You are heroes. ❤️
It was anthropophagy, not cannibalism, and there was ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER option.
@@BeatlemaccaARWhat are you talking about? It is cannibalism. What do you think that word means?
@@IlovedallthepeopleI believe the distinction is often that cannibalism is when the person is killed and eaten, anthropophagy is when you consume the flesh of a human who has died of other causes.
@@piratesswoop725 Thats completely wrong. Canibalism means eating someone from your own species. Antropophagy means eating a human being. A wolf eating another wolf is a cannibal, a wolf eating a human means it commited antropophagy. For humans eating other humans both things happen at once for obvious reasons.
@@piratesswoop725 cannibalism means eating a member of your own species, anthropophagy means humans eating humans. It's the exact same thing in this case.
Hopefully more movies in Spanish get more Oscars
Thank you for sharing this amazing story. Its also nice to recognise that all this survivors even after all they went through in the plane crash plus their determination to survive they went back to their life, became professionals, continue with their life, achieve amazing things, some keep saving lives as doctors and also life examples of keep fighting your battles or as they normally say "each one of you have your personal mountain", very inspiring. In Uruguay they are heroes but they are respected and they can live a normal life without being harassed. There is many interviews and they all worth seeing, it may help you change your perspective in life. Cheers
this movie kept me up all night. and now im searching up all facts i can.
Alive, Society of the Snow. I like them both. Amazing, and touching movies.
Literally just finished the movie and it was definitely best movie I’ve seen in last ten yrs .. directing and picture and story line was awsome.. this movie is art.. I couldn’t imagine going thru that. They went completely primal 💪🏽
I’ve been watching several videos of the survivors and I get amazed every time they tell their story. It didn’t occur to me that the avalanche scene happened in complete darkness cause of the scene in the movie, but just imagining it is wild. Digging snow, not sure where your friends are but hoping you find them and go on to dig again to search for the next one immediately. Everything about their experience seems so unbelievable, but they were able to push through and it’s incredible.
Heroes. All of them.
I watch this movie 4 times, i was still cried 😢
Movie name please?
@@imadkhan4975 society of the snow
@@imadkhan4975society of the snow
@@imadkhan4975society of the snow
My friend told me about this event at first about a year ago and I was really intrigued. I looked up news articles and read about the timeline of events. He has Nando’s book and I plan to read it soon.
However, nothing hit me quite like this movie did. Society of the Snow is a spectacular telling of the story, and it does not shy away from the realities, monstrous and miraculous, that these people faced up there. I also really think it was a great choice to have the story told from Numa’s point of view, both because of his extreme reluctance to do the one hardest and most important thing they needed to do to survive, and his position as the last victim to pass.
It was hard to watch but an amazing movie
The background music of this interview was an interesting choice…
For real 😂😂😂
BREAKING NEWS
Getting buried in snow, at night... I can't think of anything more nightmarish. I really hope these men were compensated somehow on their return
Yeah they got actual food
It wasn’t your time ✝️god bless u guys , so sorry u went through that 😞
It was their time, they just say no to death
….so it was everyone else’s time? even the 18 year old kid?
Well apparently so, As painful as it is I believe we all have a time. Different numbers we were all given from 0-over 100. I’ve always wondered what my number is. Doesn’t everyone?
I'm amazed that almost nobody talks about the movie Alive. It's the original movie made about this crash. I remember watching it as a child back in 1993, and it was such a great movie!
Roberto Canessa is a awesome pediatric doctor, he saves a lot of lifes
Roberto Canessa... Nando is Parrado 🙂
What an incredible movie! It does deserve an Oscar!
Seems like even 20 years after the crash Nando and Roberto didn’t fully accept that something like that happened to them like they wished it didn’t happened to them unlike in recent interviews where they have accepted it as something had to happen in order for them to be where they are today. As they got older, they began to slowly embrace God’s plan for them.
As time passes on their wounds get into scars. Their situation is so horrific, that even after when they were in their 50's, it still lingers. Now that they are old and wise of years, its something which stays with them and with it comes wisdom.
It's not the type of trauma that is taken lightly to forget, because they passed it that no human being could ever imagine conquer doing
“god’s plan for them” okay so his plan was to torture them for months, mentally and physically, push them to the point of eating people they cared for, just so they can….grow up and have wisdom? I mean I absolutely respect beliefs, but that’s just not what any God would do.
The English word for "God" comes from the Hebrew word Elohim which means gods. The "gods" that the ancient people worshipped in the beginning were the stars. So the Bible's Genesis 1:1 should have been written as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth".
Wow this interview with Roberto Canessa was from more than 25 years ago !
This new movie is so much better than Alive
What is the name of movie?
Society of the snow @@imadkhan4975
@@imadkhan4975The Society of the Snow.
Absolutely better!. Truly heart-wrenching and epic.
Society of the snow should have won for best international film
Damn this movie was really good. I was totally immersed n it was all I thought about man I cant imagine what they went through just watching it must've been hard as hell
One of the best 👌
SOCIETY OF THE SNOW WAS A BETTER MOVIE THAN ALIVE MUCH BETTER
Juept, pensé que era Michael Douglas, me jaló el parecido que tiene con Canessa o soy yo?
Grandes, la mejor historia de supervivencia a lo que vine.
Wow. That sure was one helluva ordeal. I watched the Alive movie many years ago. It was a really good movie.
Believe me when I tell you you this movie is better than Alive in every conceivable way possible.
@@AlexRN Okay, thanks. Maybe I will watch it then.
@@PaiviProject don’t just take my word for it; all of the survivor agree that Society of the Snow is the more truthful, more realistic movie by far. They say Alive is the “Disneyfied version” of their ordeal in comparison to how bad things were for them. By the end you’ll believe the characters have been stranded 72 days in bad conditions unlike Alive where they’re just a little bit dirty but not much else.
I would have died due to exposure. I can’t even deal with 40F never mind -40F. I cried after watching this. I don’t know how they did it.
they nearly did-many times. in fact, early on, that was one of the contributing factors in panchito abal’s death, although it was mostly injury. they survived by creating blankets from seat covers and insulation, as well as huddling close together and hitting one another to stimulate blood flow. i’m sure the alcohol they consumed during the coldest nights also helped to raise their body temperatures.
I'm here after reading both robertos and nandos books
I salute their courage 👍
Wonderful, wonderful film!
Why is Spanish movies being overlooked at the Oscars over the years?
It’s actually Oscar nominated
why do people assume things and talk about them before finding out for sure??
just brave
"Ek je baad ek pahad toot pada " got real .. i mean the avalanche..
Omg the courage ,the will they had .. NEVER GIVE UP ATTITUDE
Michael Douglas as Roberto Cannesa
Great movie
It wouldn't surprise me if any of the survivors suffered from survivors guilt
I'm pretty certain that they did. I can't blame or judge them for what they did though. When your survival instincts kick in, you'll end up doing anything you can to survive.
Society of the snow is obligatory mandaroty to see in spanish, if you see in other language lost very things
HEROES
🥰 Canessa
Alive is good but Ethan hawk
6/10
Society of the snow is a 10/10
Is Michael Douglas?
Dr Roberto Canessa
You have to be kidding
Carlitos Paez used to called Canessa "Mr Douglas" ...and Canessa called Carlitos, Antonio Banderas 😂
Con cuanta frecuencia pasaban por ahi los arrieros como don nazario
Respect 🫡
Nando Parrado and Roberto Canessa Brother's til death🤝
What’s with the background music bruh
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼😥
I would've died unless the Most High wanted me to survive - I can't do freezing cold.
that’s not how death works….you think the people who died, died because “most high” wanted them to? like come on….
@@notamberp bye troll 😂
The English word for "God" comes from the Hebrew word Elohim which means gods. The "gods" that the ancient people worshipped in the beginning were the stars. So the Bible's Genesis 1:1 should have been written as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth".
Wrong… jehovah… Jesus Christ is god. The savior of man. I hope you find the truth in true repentance
Men are amazing!
Salite to you guys
😢😢
Michael Douglas ?
what???
I thought the pic looked like Michael Douglas too .
They found a “ pesent” ?
They were not courageous/brave ! It was pure endurance
Maybe you should look up what courage means.
They most certainly were courageous. You can be more than one thing lol
They were courageous and brave and had endurance!
both things can and are true, John 🙄
At least read the Wikipedia article about the events to make an informed opinion.
Eating the flesh of the dead, and then explaining to a horrified media the reasons they did it in a way that public opinion understands their decision requires guts.
Glory be to God.
I pray the survivors even over 50 years later find Jesus Christ as their saviors…
Another distraction...
"The society of snow" to me was a mediocre movie. But the story is so beyond comprehension that you could find it was reasonably helpful in understanding the events. Even though I was thinking all the time "these are paid actors" because the acting was mid the sensitivity of the director was not properly tuned in my opinion to the historical tragedy and miracle of these event. Surely better to read a book than to watch it. Actually, let me say that the first half of the movie kept me wishing they made different artistic choices, and the second half was almost good. But I would've liked to see it handled it with much, much more care. But the movie doesn't matter, the story is a testament of human solidarity trough adversity exactly as the survivors say. The story is real, and gives chills to the bones. But mediocre movie on great story doesn't make a movie great. Just my opinion
Even though, after all, it is a movie. And movies are not made in 5 minutes. Lots of effort, money and resources spent. So it's not like it's bad. But come on, it is a netflix movie, it is clearly designed to evoke specific reactions with plenty of cliches. When Numa Turcatti passes away, they pass this little sheet of paper, and gosh if I were the director I am sorry but I would have cut that garbage immediately. I was literally hearing them cue the scene before shooting it. I was hearing the thoughts of the actors "oh, I have to do this, but it shouldn't take too much time in the scene". For Christ sake
And what pissed me off was how special was the passing away of Marcelo Perez in the movie compared to the others. I get that he was surely a key and strong figure who kept everybody together, but come on. You can't shoot a scene like that. Something like a full minute of this slow shot moving towards his frozen body. Among all that disaster and tragedy! They treated him like a character, not like a real person who actually lived this tragedy. It was awful