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@@Too1998 The block is based off the V8. However, the machining of the block is different, so as to machine two less cylinders. The block footprint between the V6 and V8 is the same. The heads are different however. Some would say it's a bad idea, but I suppose it helped elsewhere. No need to redo other parts of the car (engine mounts , suspension etc), which would save alot it development time.
It's a very pretty car. The red & black is very attractive: feline without being feminine. That Ingenium engine would cause me concern, however. How has it been for you?
This is true. It is rolling art. The fact that it also drives and sounds fantastic are what make it such an attractive package. I just got my 2015 R last year, and I still find myself wandering out to the garage for no real reason just to steal a peek.
@@silentstormstudios You echo the sounds of long ago. There were ads in the 1960s Sporting Cyclist magazine which boys used to buy. the ad showed the product bike at the bottom of the bed with the caption 'Too good for the shed'.
The thing about the P300 is that it makes a lot of sense in countries with oppressive car taxes, like Ireland. The taxes are ludicrous as the engine power increases with the emissions. A new F-Type V8 here, the cheapest one, is €170,000! Even the P300 starts at €110K. But used, the P300 can be got for a price the average Joe could at least consider. A 2019 model can be had for €60K. Not cheap, but doable. In countries like this, or the Netherlands, or the Nordic countries with very high taxes on emissions, you're often left with cars like this as the only option unless you're wealthy. A bog standard, no optioned 911 costs €189K.
Exactly. In the Netherlands cars with decent engines are prohibitively expensive. Of course you want the V6 or V8. But if it’s two or three times as expensive…it’s annoying but it is how it is.
So it's a 'compliance modification'? Fair enough I'd like to see a couple more lower emission cars because a lot of people live in zones where they cant really go above 60mph anyway
I have one of these. My reasons for going for the 4 cylinder version were: It’s 50% more powerful then any other car I’ve owned. I don’t know how I’d get on with more power. My wife uses it as well. I wouldn’t trust her with anything more powerful. It was quite a lot cheaper than the V6 and much cheaper than the V8. I think it’s one of the best looking cars available. Maybe there’s something wrong with my taste but I think that cars are getting uglier nowadays and I wanted to do something to fight back against that trend.
@@99jasonhooper the most recent service was £296.37. The year before was £389.99. Both at the Jaguar dealership so I suppose it could be cheaper elsewhere. Annual car tax was £342.50 but I think it should go down because there’s some sort of new car premium that drops off after a few years.
I would say its pretty much as expected, if the engine has been made with some thought, even a small bit, to fuel savings. Its a "modern" car after all and not a very large car one either.
I had a XF 4.2 that I sold last year. It was a bit tired at 188,000 and a bit of chain noise from a cold start. It was quick however, sounded awesome and would do a genuine 34 mpg at a steady GPS 70 mph. I averaged 25 mpg with it, brilliant engine.
Happy owner of a 2020 P300 here in the states. Yes, I drove and loved the V8 before pulling the trigger on the 4 banger. So why did I do it? A couple of reasons. One is that I really care more about steering feel and cornering more than acceleration. The P300 has plenty of pace as a daily driver. Any more would put my license in danger. And when I really want to play, I'll take the motorcycle. Second, I'm mature (old) enough that the snarly burble of the 8 just seems obnoxious. All in all, I love the car. It has, to date, been flawless.
I'll grant you, the V6 engine is a quirky thing, but on the road it is a wonderful thing. My US 3.0 S manual transmission coupe sounds wonderful, has 380HP, more than enough power for the New Hampshire roads where I live.
A quick comment regarding V6 versus V8, sure enough, they are all designed with two cylinder banks working in the same crank, but to design an optimized engine you have to consider the primary and secondary vibration as well as the power band of the cylinders. The V8 has quite an advantage here with almost perfect symmetry and overlapping power band, i.e. when cylinders act with overlapping power strokes, the optimum angle between the cylinders in a V8 is 90°. To counter the vibrations the V6 is better balanced with a 60° angle. You could even that out and counterbalance that with balance shafts counterrotating and swinging weight but with added weight and complexity.
In a lot of European countries, anything above 2000cc becomes very expensive. This is why they are made. Hence why I have a Golf mk2 syncro country, Golf GTI, Lotus Elise and Integrale Evo2. They all are very fun in their own way and it doesn't break the bank to tax and insure them. Soon as I go anywhere above 2000cc the costs increase at an alarming rate.
Agreed, applies to Belgium as well. Road taxes are rising sharply once engine displacement is >2L . Especially painfull for a hobby car for nice sunny days. One example? A 996 Cab will set you back 3.600€ per YEAR in road tax alone…
I had the V6S for 5 years. Beautiful car and the noise it made was superb (especially once I'd blow 7k on modifications taking the power to 420bhp). Interior was a disappointment as Jag used those really annoying rubbery buttons that go sticky after a few years. I do miss her though. Someone said that the F Type is like a TVR that had discovered build quality which sums it up as not much can touch it for looks.
I had a 2015 6 cylinder for 3 years and now I have a 2017 AWD R 8 cylinder. Never had any issues with sticky buttons. Get an R those 550 Horses are AMAZING 😍
A good honest report .I have been lucky to have the Jaguar XJ .2015 plate not one bill other than annual service not one dime spent .I am 80 so not a boy speeder LOL. never above the speed limit .the 8 speed gear box at 60 is only 1.300 rpm and in a journey 60 mpg .perfect comfort - perfect reliability - perfect driving position - perfect comfort - perfect transmission - perfect body work - in fact it sounds like The Wife - if it is not broken do not change it 🥰
As the owner of a Ferrari Daytona and a V6 Jaguar F Type I guess I should have turned off the film after the first couple of minutes but then we don't all have the same taste (I love the looks of both cars and the F Type's V6 sounds great). When I was looking at F Types a few four-cylinder ones did come up, but they seem pretty rare here in the States. You're right in that from a cost point of view they didn't offer any advantage over buying a one or two year older V6 especially as I ended up buying one with virtually no miles on it (and in all honesty I picked mine as it was the only one available in 1,000 miles in the lovely British Racing Green Metallic). I'm not sure if they offer and insurance or annual VED savings over a V6 back home?
The reason Jaguars weigh so much is that they are built to frankly incredible strength standards - comparable kerb strikes to Land Rover vehicles. I know an engineer that told me about the ‘kerb strike test’ hitting a metal lined 1 sq m at 50kM/h with the front wheel and the wheel alignment is supposed to be unaffected. Details such as XE having the same wading depth as a BMW SUV - they are basically massively over specified
in the competitive landscape of nowdays such overbuild seems to me a waste, considering the dire situation of jaguar and it's every shrinking marketshare
You have a downer on the v6 but I thoroughly enjoyed mine. It is an engine brimming with character. It also nearly always achieved 38 mpg on the motorway even after it had a velocity ap tune giving it 416hp.
Last week I took delivery of a 2006 Jaguar XJ8, it has a listed weight of 3,800 pounds, 300 more than a V6 F-Type. Yeah, don't know why the F-types are so heavy. I know the glass roof is heavy, mine has it, I'd rather it didn't, I have a roadster for when I want open air motoring.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe Tata's steel is lousy, I'm going to be rustproofing the rear subframe on my F-Type before it gets bad, at present it has only some light surface rust in a few places.
We just bought a 2.0 Chequered Flag edition. Build 2020, but with the pretty nose. We don't like the facelift so much. Is it as fast as our 2020 Audi TT we had before? No. Do we miss it? No. The TT was only "fun" when you drive it like it asks you. But a relaxing countryside drive just wasn't very nice. This Jag gives me a smile on my face by just thinking about it. 😊 We could have gone for a v6, but not with all these options. And the build would then be a few years older.
Have a v6 awd coupe doing 476hp on 93 octane (us premium) or 550hp on e85. Superb car...the v6 sounds way better!! Matched TCU tune too...so 7200rpm redline. DSG performance in a ZF8hp70. Torque is within the ZF8's limit too..... I don't have any issues with the block..the car is 200lbs lighter. Glass roof. Forged (not all the 20" oem wheels are forged..in fact very few are) oem wheels. Superb looks on all angles...most of us think the rear is the best in the world ever....sorry you are a spoiler guy. V6 car has LSD, active suspension, aluminum metal paddles....ambient, coco mats... The V6 sounds like a 1970 F1 car and to me, in a land of mustangs, corvettes, and camaros, is way more cool. Keep that in mind. The v6 tuned is the way to go....bonkers car....3.8-4.0 not dumping it....to 100km/h time.... Sleeper cars. Also once you replace the coolant pipes with metal ones, super reliable.
Most beautiful car ever. Alas, I'm unabashedly bias, being an owner of the V8 with the rare RWD version. Although an F Type fan, I could also not see the point of the 4 cylinder apart from being able to enjoy a car with these looks without the OTT V8 on a daily basis. The F type interior is one of the best for sure. Everything falls into place perfectly. My 2016 model still has many physical buttons which is a bonus. I'd like to see more Jaguar's on the channel. Whats the chances of seeing an XJ-S !
@richardharrold9736 There is a seat for all of us. I wanted the stick shift, I've driven stick shifts since the '60s, will continue until I can no longer drive. That said, I did just buy a 2006 Jaguar XJ8, but I still have my mt F-Type and a '16 Mazda MX-5. 380HP is more than enough power for the two lane twisties where I live.
The back seats in the XK are very useful Jay, our dog has a rather large bed laid across the two with nice snuggly pillows under to raise it & while strapped in loves looking though the windscreen when we are driving 🙂
Er, no; that is not how all six cylinder [V] engines are made. For a start, a V8 is almost always a 90˚ V - this being optimal for the timing of an 8 cylinder V. A V6 is, as Lancia first demonstrated in 1950 with their V6 first installed in the Aurelia, optimally a 60˚ V (Ford confirmed this when their new V6 appeared in the 90s). The anomalies generally come when a single crankcase design is adapted - possibly the most well known is the V6 in the Citroën SM - this was a Maserati V8 literally with two cylinders lopped off; the Douvrin PRV followed a similar route. In a reverse move, Ford took two V6 engines and mated them to produce a 60˚ V12 for Aston Martin.
Good review but if you can find an early FType V6 for under 20k we’re are you looking as even the leggy examples are still over 20k and a good one is about 25k plus still. I know as I am looking for one.
There's a lot to like about the 2L F Type, for a certain type of person that doesn't want big power or running costs. I'd have the V6 or V8 though. I just think that 2.0L exhaust is incredibly disappointing. Jaguar could have done so much better...
Surely the exhaust could be fiddled with to give it a better sound? As always, I enjoyed the insights and honesty of the presentation. Not sure I agree with the ‘four cylinders don’t belong in sports cars’ thing. My 4C does quite nicely with one and Alfas in general have done very well with them since the 1950s.
Having driven all of the power outputs bar the SVR, I definitely do not see the point of the 4 cylinder, what’s the appeal an Ftype that doesn’t make a lovely noise. V6S is definitely the sweet spot however the brutal R RWD would probably be my choice
The v6 126, was designed like that due to the vehicle having passed its crash tests easily with the v8. The blocks the same size so therefore missing having to pay for crash tests on the v6. Massive massive cost saving for the business. I can’t see how it’s “unforgivable” what penalty is there really? The engine block is aluminium and it’s light.
The weight of the v6 would sit further back, nothing about the car is light and it seems to have a high centre of gravity. Just get the 981S for the looks, sound and handling. Plus the boxster has usable luggage space
The XKR's back seats are functional for me 🤷 I store my backpack there, our mini dachshund fits perfectly back there on her little bed, tucked in behind the passenger seat. Made Christmas travel super convenient 👌
I do like the F Type. As it is the last ever ICE Jaguar, it will quickly become a desirable classic. I need to scrape my pennies together and buy a V8. BUT, like yourself, I also like the look of the XK... Decisions decisions. 1st World Problem. My current, 2005 XK8 4.2 does 30 mpg on a motorway run.
Always an interesting guy to listen to . Buti have struggled with concept of a bloke with sunglassess perched on his head ...... And now that shirt , i need to lie down somewhere dark 😂
The sunglasses are there for when I've finished filming the video. I do not like wearing them when talking to you, because they hid my eyes - however once I am done they shield them from road glare - and if I didn't have them on my head I'd lose them
4 bangers do belong in sports cars. They DON'T belong in Grand Touring cars. The issue with the F-Type (former 550hp R owner here) is that the car tried to shoot the gap between GT and sports car.
Presumptuous semantics. In fact, the P300 F-Type behaves like a sports car because of its significantly lighter nose and model-specific suspension/steering tuning. As for it having "tried to shoot the gap...": In my opinion, it succeeded admirably, as I can attest from two years of ownership (2020 convertible) and the car's flawless performance. 295 lb.-ft. torque from 1500rpm is plenty of muscle for vigorous, everyday driving, especially if you're not obsessed with winning drag races or setting track records.
I own a 2015 R, and I always considered the facts that it's 1/3 sports car, 1/3 GT car and 1/3 American muscle car to be its hat trick. Its frankly a big reason as to why I bought it. I got all my favorite things in one fantastic looking car.
Here where I live the maximum engine displacement that you can have for a petrol powered car is 2.0l. So I guess this is the only scenario where this car makes sense
A reminder of how poor Jaguars product planning, particularly in engines(drivetrains) has been over the last decade or so. They missed the whole hot petrol estate sector because estates were diesels for sales reps on the motorway. How lost they became in the shadow of Land Rover, and how their head start with the iPace became the abandonment of their electric product stream.
Beautiful car, Jag's finest, and there's some quite affordable F-Types on Autotrader, however it's the infamous talk of Jag reliability which would worry me and the consequential maintenance/repair costs. Maybe I'm wrong and ignorant of such facts and just regurgitating what the masses say, I've never owned a Jag, however it's a British sports car and not an SUV, so the want is there.
Yeah, you are wrong. Lots of people think Jaguar is still living in the bad old British Leyland days, which is great for buying used - real automotive bargains to be had! I'm on my 4th Jaaaag and none of them has been unreliable or the money pit the doomsayers predict. It helps to find an independent you can trust and stay away from dealers for maintenance, of course. Keep on top of the maintenance and it'll serve you well, so long as you do your due diligence when buying. Fuel and tyres will be your main expense! 🙂
Nice review ! Thank you... but I already told it so many times to many people around the world : in my country (Belgium) it's impossible for non-miljonairs to drive a V8 because of TAXES ! I don't want to pay 15k € taxes for a V8 ...although I love a V8 ofcourse........... About the sound : I have a Ragazzon exhaust on my P300 and it sounds great !
@@Gorilla_Jones the LED's in the older headlights on the passenger side fail regularly. £3.5k to replace. There's a group trying a class action lawsuit against Jag due to this. That's why I picked the new shape.
That was my thinking, as well. When I found an R I liked, I just figured if I'm going to do it, I might as well go for the most visceral experience. I will say, though, that the V8 is really way more than can legally be used on public roads. If you rev the engine out at all, you're well into triple digits in just a couple of shifts. On most roads, that engine is just loafing unless you're interested in putting yourself and others in danger or going to jail. From that perspective, I understand the case for the V6 versions. Much more useable on public roads.
I had one and it was nice. That sums it up, nice. Same as the 911 I had, nice but dull. I missed driving too much so I am back in a Lotus Elise again. Great and fair review.
Fair enough on the points about it, as for comments below it does look as though this car did tick boxes for our european neighbours. For me, there is no doubt, V8 R AWD Coupe, it's 80% stiffer than the drophead too. Just delivers power in bucket loads, it is my swan song of motoring.
I drove the chequered flag 2 litre last week. Still a beautiful car and fast but im not a fan if the turbo and the fact that you have to keep it beyween 3-5m tpm to get any decent exhaust noise, which in turn kills fuel consumption, probably more than the v8. I reckon id drive the v8 more sensibly and get giddy with lower rev exhaust noises, rhus saving fuel too. The car feels a bit wrong if in honest. Like buying a beef burger and finding out its made of tofu
i think we need more of these cars.. and cars even more downsized than this in size and engine size, with manual gearbox. affordable and beautiful. but people are too snobby that look down on this because it ISNT a v6 or a v8.. but why? it isnt a nissan juke, that is the most important thing. i wish every manufactured made a lightweight 2-seater with a 3-4 cylinder with a manual, not to go fast, but stylish efficiency.
4 cylinder does not belong in a Jag. A V6 is pushing it. 3 years ago I really wanted an F, but when I drove one (V6) it wasn't Jaguarish enough, so bought a facelift 5.0 XKR for the same money.
You're not trying to tell us it's a Ford-designed engine, are you? If so, you're wrong - it's a Jaguar designed engine that was built by Jaguar employees in their section of the Ford engine plant at Bridgend until 2020, and is now built at Jaguar's own engine plant in the Midlands.
Interesting review. But I do wonder sometimes if reviewers don’t get the sometimes limited personal finances of average buyers. Suppose, (like me) you just want a great looking, sporty car, which is as new as you can afford, and won’t cost you nigh on £800 a year in tax ( and rising), plus higher Insurance costs? Surely that comes into it aswell? Having the V8 or V6 version is great, but the reality is as time goes on those cars/engines are going to be taxed to death, and therefore not viable as an ownership proposition. Some of us aren’t full on petroleum heads, we just like a nice looking sporty car to enjoy being in and driving around. At 18 the noise of a V8 would have been important to me, at 70 it’s not! But I still like sporty looking cars, so please remember drivers like me when you’re reviewing.
Never understood why they didn’t update the V6 engine and discontinued the V8 the thirsty one, considering the cost of running cost, beautiful car, one of Jaguars best.
I'm not sure that the noise would be a deal-breaker for me. Maybe I'm a weirdo, I like the sound of my Volvo 2.4 5-cylinder D5 Diesel. The Boxter/cayman 718 and Emira i4 are also 4-cylinder cars that I don't mind at all.I spent most of my youth around people fitting Peco Big Bore 4 exhausts to base model or warm hatch varieties of Astras and Escorts in the 90's, Now I've grown up, I would rather have the performance but with the sound muted down and would feel a bit like a knob with a throaty V8 annoying my neighbours.
I'd guess it has something to do with fleet average co2 emissions. The N/A 5.0 V8 produces 264g/km (in the 5.0 N/A XK) whereas the v6 produces 203g/km despite producing the the same power output.
I have to disagree with your point of the manual gearbox, if I could afford an f type (hopefully I will one day) then I would want one with a manual gearbox, it would be much more engaging and however good the auto is, it's just not the same.
While I agree with you and also wish mine was a manual, it's very hard to find them, and the manual was only available with the V6 for the short time it was available. Only 4% of F-Types were built with the manual transmission. The consolation prize is that, even if we are stuck with an automatic, it really is one of the best automatic transmissions available. The ZF-8 shifts very quickly for a single clutch transmission, so quick that it can be mistaken for a double clutch at times, and it's extremely smooth and seems to always know what you want from it. No laggy shifts, refusal to downshift or search for the right gear. It's always right on point.
Here in Brasil these 4 cylinders make a lot of sense, as they’re a lot cheaper than the v8 and still deliver the looks and driving characteristics of the car. But still, market just prefer the Cayman here.
I always ask myself, Between modern power levels and NVH, is a 4 cylinder really that bad? Keep in mind that exhaust isn't important to everyone, and it could easily be argued that for those that it is (myself included), the manufacturer is just playing off emotion to get you to pay more. 4 Cyl Turbos were fine in VW and Audi models 20 years ago (what i've spent the most time in) and have only gotten more powerful and more time has been spent on NVH. Whenever the 'economical' debate comes up, "its cheaper to run", you're already spending at least 2-3x as much as you 'need' to spend on a car, you aren't saving much by getting a couple extra MPG. I will accept the weight savings. Some of the BMW's are in a similar boat where the 4cyl turbo has better weight distribution and is lighter.
Rear is fine - I prefer the rear or rear three-quarter view of most cars anyway. It's the best angle for me. Cue jokes about that being the view I see most as I'm overtaken by one! Interior is far too grey for my liking. I'd want something lighter, in a different colour.
Video titles these days are doing my head and I do not know what it is about them that's doing it. And, why is there an army of accounts with sexy body parts for head shots posting chat-gpt written glowing reviews about our hero?
I wouldn't call the hard top version "pretty", a better adjective would be "imposing". The word "pretty" is one I'd reserve for smaller sports cars with more modest (but still sufficient) engines, whereas a full fat V12 Ferrari deserves a more suitable choice of description. It's a sophisticated looking car for the era, and definitely purposeful looking, but it's no automotive baby doll. More a sort of four wheeled Sophia Loren. The convertible Daytona, however, that one is breathtaking. Few cars have the same presence, though one that does is another drop top, in the form of the original Maserati Ghibli Spyder, which is a sublime work of art. Indeed at this juncture, I'm wondering what a convertible Miura might have looked like if Lamborghini had been willing or able to produce one. But that might have been a tad frightening to drive! I'm not put off by tapering tail ends anywhere near as much as James, but it's a look that does require some care in execution, and the malign effects of the SUV "steroid body bulges" trend that have hopped across to some sports cars do not merge well with a tapering tail. As for putting a coupé roofline on an SUV, that's just absurd. If any designer wants to go for the tapering tail look, I'd suggest learning to do it right by looking at the Maserati Khamsin.
@Calilasseia The Khamsin is nice, indeed. I am more of a Jensen Interceptor guy myself. When I saw a Zagato Shooting Brake in the flesh it was very striking. I bet James is cringing at the thought of all these fastbacks and shooting brakes. Maybe we should lock him up in a room full of only these cars, and see if he grows to like them.
@johnlow4064 [Gasps from several people in the room] "Did he just say...?" "He did!" "What should we do?" "Off with his head!" "Off with our heads!" From that moment, while chaos ensued and descended into the collapse of the very fabric of our society across the world, a chemical fire developed in the main server computer that stored the data of a comment section of a TH-cam channel. From a smouldering electrical fire turned into a raging fire that engulfed the frenzy and disintegrated everything that was related to mankind into nothing. All was gone. Thousands of years of a race was now a layer of ash. No trace of what intelligence, elegance, and art were accomplished by the beings.
I really like the F Type and would like to get a new V6 or V8. But what’s putting me off is the constant bombardment of Land Rover vehicles being unreliable through surveys. Mixed with high insurance and in the top end for stolen vehicles. Does the F Type fall into the same categories or are they bucking the trend for JLR vehicles. Or should I spend my money on a V8 Lexus instead? Would like your opinion as whatever I go for it’s going to be expensive.
In my experience of 4 Jaguars they've all been reliable and relatively inexpensive to run and maintain. Maybe I'm just lucky? Go for the Lexus if you can stand the looks.
I didn’t know there was a four cylinder to be honest! I thought it was the V6 or a V8, and I always favoured the 6 because it was a bit more traditional (not an in-line I know), and it could have a manual.
Interesting review I was a little bit scared to watch it as I have a 2021 F Type P300 and I love it. But anyway I did watch it and it wasn’t bad it’s a shame you got an old one that had been messed with. That exhaust sounded awful. Mine sounds much better and it’s stock I know as Petrol Ped on his review says it doesn’t sound like a V6 or a V8 but then it wouldn’t would it.
Why would the engineers allow the bean counters to just blank off two cylinders to get a v6 out of a v8 block, that is why Jaguar failed and is going to disappear to a Jaguar special edition model of a mundane model, like mini badging models as John Cooper..
I've always admired the F-Type for its looks. It hasn't dated and to those of us who like the old-school coupe recipe I don't think it ever will. But I struggle to gravitate to one due to the size, and weight, and auto box, and JLR reliability. For me a BMW Z4 Coupe (E86) seems a more shrewd move. Is that an unfair comparison?
The BMW is a shrewd move if you're looking for pity that you bought such an ugly car! The Jag beats it hands down, and mine has proved to be very reliable - just routine servicing (at a trusted independent), fuel and tyres so far in 6 years (bought used at one year). And ZF and Jaguar have done a brilliant job with the auto box - try one before you dismiss it out of hand.
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That Jag V6 is an extreme case of cylinder deactivation.
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Would be one bank of a V8 😂
yeah, they haven't even been cast for the role.
Why have it done electronically when you can deactivate two cylinders manually?
@@Too1998 The block is based off the V8. However, the machining of the block is different, so as to machine two less cylinders. The block footprint between the V6 and V8 is the same.
The heads are different however.
Some would say it's a bad idea, but I suppose it helped elsewhere. No need to redo other parts of the car (engine mounts , suspension etc), which would save alot it development time.
A pleasure to have had the car featured
It's a very pretty car. The red & black is very attractive: feline without being feminine. That Ingenium engine would cause me concern, however. How has it been for you?
I like the mods you have made to the car. I have the same aftermarket carpets.
@@stephendavies6949 the ingeniums with the issues are the diesels, not so with petrol and mine is no exception
@@maz500 Thanks for replying.
Brilliant TH-cam, I watch jay and maz on TH-cam, hope maz does a review of the Austin Martin ?
F-Type just looks cool. One could buy it for solely that reason.
Same
reminds me of the 275 before the 365.
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This is true. It is rolling art. The fact that it also drives and sounds fantastic are what make it such an attractive package. I just got my 2015 R last year, and I still find myself wandering out to the garage for no real reason just to steal a peek.
@@silentstormstudios You echo the sounds of long ago. There were ads in the 1960s Sporting Cyclist magazine which boys used to buy. the ad showed the product bike at the bottom of the bed with the caption 'Too good for the shed'.
The thing about the P300 is that it makes a lot of sense in countries with oppressive car taxes, like Ireland. The taxes are ludicrous as the engine power increases with the emissions. A new F-Type V8 here, the cheapest one, is €170,000! Even the P300 starts at €110K. But used, the P300 can be got for a price the average Joe could at least consider. A 2019 model can be had for €60K. Not cheap, but doable. In countries like this, or the Netherlands, or the Nordic countries with very high taxes on emissions, you're often left with cars like this as the only option unless you're wealthy. A bog standard, no optioned 911 costs €189K.
Exactly. In the Netherlands cars with decent engines are prohibitively expensive. Of course you want the V6 or V8. But if it’s two or three times as expensive…it’s annoying but it is how it is.
this is socialist authoritarianism at its finest. Exactly what we were supposed to be fighting against in WW2 and now it's come from within
In France the eco tax will reduce car sales, eco tax on land rovers arround 60000 euros
So it's a 'compliance modification'? Fair enough I'd like to see a couple more lower emission cars because a lot of people live in zones where they cant really go above 60mph anyway
Or in the South of Belgium where the tax is based on the power level or the emissions, whichever make the government more money…
I have one of these. My reasons for going for the 4 cylinder version were:
It’s 50% more powerful then any other car I’ve owned. I don’t know how I’d get on with more power.
My wife uses it as well. I wouldn’t trust her with anything more powerful.
It was quite a lot cheaper than the V6 and much cheaper than the V8.
I think it’s one of the best looking cars available. Maybe there’s something wrong with my taste but I think that cars are getting uglier nowadays and I wanted to do something to fight back against that trend.
How are running costs?
@@99jasonhooper the most recent service was £296.37. The year before was £389.99. Both at the Jaguar dealership so I suppose it could be cheaper elsewhere.
Annual car tax was £342.50 but I think it should go down because there’s some sort of new car premium that drops off after a few years.
That's exactly why I ended up here. Car looks great. Everything on the streets is arse ugly.
I've always liked the look of these at the rear personally
I like my Jags like I like my women...from the rear! ;-)
My 2011 xk 5.0 averaged 31mpg from London to Edinburgh at new year, minus temperatures sat at 75mph fully laden. Was incredibly impressed
I put mine in rain/snow mode when trying to get good mileage... keeps the throttle tame.
I would say its pretty much as expected, if the engine has been made with some thought, even a small bit, to fuel savings. Its a "modern" car after all and not a very large car one either.
I had a XF 4.2 that I sold last year. It was a bit tired at 188,000 and a bit of chain noise from a cold start. It was quick however, sounded awesome and would do a genuine 34 mpg at a steady GPS 70 mph. I averaged 25 mpg with it, brilliant engine.
how's the reliability/maintenance been?
@@stevenf9298 it's been spot on so far, a few battery related niggles at first but since I got a trickle charger it's been faultless.
Happy owner of a 2020 P300 here in the states. Yes, I drove and loved the V8 before pulling the trigger on the 4 banger. So why did I do it? A couple of reasons. One is that I really care more about steering feel and cornering more than acceleration. The P300 has plenty of pace as a daily driver. Any more would put my license in danger. And when I really want to play, I'll take the motorcycle. Second, I'm mature (old) enough that the snarly burble of the 8 just seems obnoxious. All in all, I love the car. It has, to date, been flawless.
I'll grant you, the V6 engine is a quirky thing, but on the road it is a wonderful thing. My US 3.0 S manual transmission coupe sounds wonderful, has 380HP, more than enough power for the New Hampshire roads where I live.
Yeah, the only engine to be offered as a manual?
That and the 340 V6
Agree.
V6 Supercharged is a delight in my XF S.
I am a bit miffed that the V8 was excluded from the X260 XF. It would have been fun!
How do compare the manual to the auto..
@@garywoods204 Try them dude
A quick comment regarding V6 versus V8, sure enough, they are all designed with two cylinder banks working in the same crank, but to design an optimized engine you have to consider the primary and secondary vibration as well as the power band of the cylinders. The V8 has quite an advantage here with almost perfect symmetry and overlapping power band, i.e. when cylinders act with overlapping power strokes, the optimum angle between the cylinders in a V8 is 90°. To counter the vibrations the V6 is better balanced with a 60° angle.
You could even that out and counterbalance that with balance shafts counterrotating and swinging weight but with added weight and complexity.
Have we reached peak JayEmm shirt??!!
Maybe, then again he always seems to outdo himself with the shirts.
I hope not 😂
I thought it was Josef Grimaldi
Channeling his inner Chubby Brown..
Wish I'd donned the Wayfarers before clocking in.......
Best looking car in this era
In a lot of European countries, anything above 2000cc becomes very expensive. This is why they are made. Hence why I have a Golf mk2 syncro country, Golf GTI, Lotus Elise and Integrale Evo2. They all are very fun in their own way and it doesn't break the bank to tax and insure them. Soon as I go anywhere above 2000cc the costs increase at an alarming rate.
Agreed, applies to Belgium as well. Road taxes are rising sharply once engine displacement is >2L . Especially painfull for a hobby car for nice sunny days. One example? A 996 Cab will set you back 3.600€ per YEAR in road tax alone…
Not sure where you get that from. Plenty of affordable bigger engines around
@@sandersson2813 in europe? please tell me i'm eager to know
@@sandersson2813Not in some european countries, as the OP said.
@@vercingetorige400Well, not europe as a whole, but some countries. Just as the OP said.
I had the V6S for 5 years. Beautiful car and the noise it made was superb (especially once I'd blow 7k on modifications taking the power to 420bhp). Interior was a disappointment as Jag used those really annoying rubbery buttons that go sticky after a few years. I do miss her though. Someone said that the F Type is like a TVR that had discovered build quality which sums it up as not much can touch it for looks.
In person the seem kinda of high at the back. The 981 looks like a sleek sports car in comparison.
My 2016 F-Type isn't troubled by sticky switches, I wonder if hand lotion is to blame. That or being left in the hot sun.
I had a 2015 6 cylinder for 3 years and now I have a 2017 AWD R 8 cylinder. Never had any issues with sticky buttons. Get an R those 550 Horses are AMAZING 😍
A good honest report .I have been lucky to have the Jaguar XJ .2015 plate not one bill other than annual service not one dime spent .I am 80 so not a boy speeder LOL. never above the speed limit .the 8 speed gear box at 60 is only 1.300 rpm and in a journey 60 mpg .perfect comfort - perfect reliability - perfect driving position - perfect comfort - perfect transmission - perfect body work - in fact it sounds like The Wife - if it is not broken do not change it 🥰
As the owner of a Ferrari Daytona and a V6 Jaguar F Type I guess I should have turned off the film after the first couple of minutes but then we don't all have the same taste (I love the looks of both cars and the F Type's V6 sounds great). When I was looking at F Types a few four-cylinder ones did come up, but they seem pretty rare here in the States. You're right in that from a cost point of view they didn't offer any advantage over buying a one or two year older V6 especially as I ended up buying one with virtually no miles on it (and in all honesty I picked mine as it was the only one available in 1,000 miles in the lovely British Racing Green Metallic). I'm not sure if they offer and insurance or annual VED savings over a V6 back home?
You sir, are a man with very good taste in cars 👍🏻👍🏻
The reason Jaguars weigh so much is that they are built to frankly incredible strength standards - comparable kerb strikes to Land Rover vehicles. I know an engineer that told me about the ‘kerb strike test’ hitting a metal lined 1 sq m at 50kM/h with the front wheel and the wheel alignment is supposed to be unaffected. Details such as XE having the same wading depth as a BMW SUV - they are basically massively over specified
in the competitive landscape of nowdays such overbuild seems to me a waste, considering the dire situation of jaguar and it's every shrinking marketshare
You have a downer on the v6 but I thoroughly enjoyed mine. It is an engine brimming with character. It also nearly always achieved 38 mpg on the motorway even after it had a velocity ap tune giving it 416hp.
I believe the excess weight is entirely the result if the quilted mat with inserts 😖😁
8HP45 for the 2.0L, 8HP70 for the v6 and v8 gearbox. Which is why you can notice the difference.
The subframe made out of depleted uranium just made me laugh very much 👍🤣
Given the propensity for Jag subframes to rot maybe it's not such a bad idea!
Last week I took delivery of a 2006 Jaguar XJ8, it has a listed weight of 3,800 pounds, 300 more than a V6 F-Type. Yeah, don't know why the F-types are so heavy. I know the glass roof is heavy, mine has it, I'd rather it didn't, I have a roadster for when I want open air motoring.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe Tata's steel is lousy, I'm going to be rustproofing the rear subframe on my F-Type before it gets bad, at present it has only some light surface rust in a few places.
@@3ducs probably a very good idea.
We just bought a 2.0 Chequered Flag edition. Build 2020, but with the pretty nose. We don't like the facelift so much.
Is it as fast as our 2020 Audi TT we had before? No. Do we miss it? No.
The TT was only "fun" when you drive it like it asks you. But a relaxing countryside drive just wasn't very nice.
This Jag gives me a smile on my face by just thinking about it. 😊
We could have gone for a v6, but not with all these options. And the build would then be a few years older.
Have a v6 awd coupe doing 476hp on 93 octane (us premium) or 550hp on e85. Superb car...the v6 sounds way better!! Matched TCU tune too...so 7200rpm redline. DSG performance in a ZF8hp70. Torque is within the ZF8's limit too.....
I don't have any issues with the block..the car is 200lbs lighter. Glass roof. Forged (not all the 20" oem wheels are forged..in fact very few are) oem wheels. Superb looks on all angles...most of us think the rear is the best in the world ever....sorry you are a spoiler guy. V6 car has LSD, active suspension, aluminum metal paddles....ambient, coco mats...
The V6 sounds like a 1970 F1 car and to me, in a land of mustangs, corvettes, and camaros, is way more cool. Keep that in mind. The v6 tuned is the way to go....bonkers car....3.8-4.0 not dumping it....to 100km/h time.... Sleeper cars. Also once you replace the coolant pipes with metal ones, super reliable.
Most beautiful car ever. Alas, I'm unabashedly bias, being an owner of the V8 with the rare RWD version. Although an F Type fan, I could also not see the point of the 4 cylinder apart from being able to enjoy a car with these looks without the OTT V8 on a daily basis. The F type interior is one of the best for sure. Everything falls into place perfectly. My 2016 model still has many physical buttons which is a bonus. I'd like to see more Jaguar's on the channel. Whats the chances of seeing an XJ-S !
The 380hp V6 is the best F-Type
@richardharrold9736 Unless you want a manual transmission, which is why I got mine.
@richardharrold9736 There is a seat for all of us. I wanted the stick shift, I've driven stick shifts since the '60s, will continue until I can no longer drive. That said, I did just buy a 2006 Jaguar XJ8, but I still have my mt F-Type and a '16 Mazda MX-5. 380HP is more than enough power for the two lane twisties where I live.
The F type is one beautiful car ❤❤❤
I think the rear end style you don't like is a "Kam tail" .
Like Z4 . I think it looks epic on the right car
The back seats in the XK are very useful Jay, our dog has a rather large bed laid across the two with nice snuggly pillows under to raise it & while strapped in loves looking though the windscreen when we are driving 🙂
They're also handy to transport drunken friends - after all, they're legless! 🙂
@stevemawer848 😂
The XK8 works for sub-20 mile trips to a pub or restaurant with women in the front and the blokes in the back.
Er, no; that is not how all six cylinder [V] engines are made. For a start, a V8 is almost always a 90˚ V - this being optimal for the timing of an 8 cylinder V. A V6 is, as Lancia first demonstrated in 1950 with their V6 first installed in the Aurelia, optimally a 60˚ V (Ford confirmed this when their new V6 appeared in the 90s). The anomalies generally come when a single crankcase design is adapted - possibly the most well known is the V6 in the Citroën SM - this was a Maserati V8 literally with two cylinders lopped off; the Douvrin PRV followed a similar route. In a reverse move, Ford took two V6 engines and mated them to produce a 60˚ V12 for Aston Martin.
Good review but if you can find an early FType V6 for under 20k we’re are you looking as even the leggy examples are still over 20k and a good one is about 25k plus still. I know as I am looking for one.
That backend with the spoiler down is so clean, such a beautiful design it should be rear of the year for sure👌
There's a lot to like about the 2L F Type, for a certain type of person that doesn't want big power or running costs. I'd have the V6 or V8 though. I just think that 2.0L exhaust is incredibly disappointing. Jaguar could have done so much better...
Very informative! This one’s going on my “very nice to own one day list”!
Without those after market floor mats though 😮
Surely the exhaust could be fiddled with to give it a better sound? As always, I enjoyed the insights and honesty of the presentation. Not sure I agree with the ‘four cylinders don’t belong in sports cars’ thing. My 4C does quite nicely with one and Alfas in general have done very well with them since the 1950s.
"I know it's weird but at least I know what I like" said every serial killer ever.
Having driven all of the power outputs bar the SVR, I definitely do not see the point of the 4 cylinder, what’s the appeal an Ftype that doesn’t make a lovely noise. V6S is definitely the sweet spot however the brutal R RWD would probably be my choice
The v6 126, was designed like that due to the vehicle having passed its crash tests easily with the v8. The blocks the same size so therefore missing having to pay for crash tests on the v6. Massive massive cost saving for the business. I can’t see how it’s “unforgivable” what penalty is there really? The engine block is aluminium and it’s light.
The weight of the v6 would sit further back, nothing about the car is light and it seems to have a high centre of gravity.
Just get the 981S for the looks, sound and handling. Plus the boxster has usable luggage space
@@Jay-xr3sb You'd get a jelly mould for the looks? Specsavers for you, please!
My uncle bumped into James, said he was very friendly.
Did they exchange insurance details? Or... phone numbers? 😳
Must've been a nice soft gentle bump.
@@EleanorPeterson He saw him in Norwich, said he was very friendly.
@@saddoncarrs6963 Don't be cheeky!!! 🤪
I was in a steak sandwich queue next to him at the Silverstone Classic last year. Didn’t like to bother him. Shirt was spectacular though.
I have this engine in a F-Pace R sport and love it.
Thanks for your great review of this F-Type.
The XKR's back seats are functional for me 🤷 I store my backpack there, our mini dachshund fits perfectly back there on her little bed, tucked in behind the passenger seat. Made Christmas travel super convenient 👌
Great video: concise and comprehensive. One of your best.
Twin tailpipes instead of a single oval makes it look like a V6
I definitely think that iteration is the best looking F-Type. I really can’t get on with the looks of the horizontal lights on the final version
I do like the F Type. As it is the last ever ICE Jaguar, it will quickly become a desirable classic.
I need to scrape my pennies together and buy a V8. BUT, like yourself, I also like the look of the XK... Decisions decisions.
1st World Problem.
My current, 2005 XK8 4.2 does 30 mpg on a motorway run.
I think they’ll bring back ICE vehicles given the fact car manufacturers can’t shift electric cars
Always an interesting guy to listen to . Buti have struggled with concept of a bloke with sunglassess perched on his head ...... And now that shirt , i need to lie down somewhere dark 😂
The sunglasses are there for when I've finished filming the video. I do not like wearing them when talking to you, because they hid my eyes - however once I am done they shield them from road glare - and if I didn't have them on my head I'd lose them
So nice of you to reply , I know exactly what you mean about loosing stuff .... Nothing personal, just Banter .
Clarkson surprisingly loved his too on TGT
Why surprisingly? Haven't you seen the first video he did on the V6?
4 bangers do belong in sports cars. They DON'T belong in Grand Touring cars. The issue with the F-Type (former 550hp R owner here) is that the car tried to shoot the gap between GT and sports car.
Presumptuous semantics. In fact, the P300 F-Type behaves like a sports car because of its significantly lighter nose and model-specific suspension/steering tuning. As for it having "tried to shoot the gap...": In my opinion, it succeeded admirably, as I can attest from two years of ownership (2020 convertible) and the car's flawless performance. 295 lb.-ft. torque from 1500rpm is plenty of muscle for vigorous, everyday driving, especially if you're not obsessed with winning drag races or setting track records.
I agree , 4 pot turbo in a hot hatch 👍🏻
In a premium brand sports car or a sports saloon , no thank you .
I own a 2015 R, and I always considered the facts that it's 1/3 sports car, 1/3 GT car and 1/3 American muscle car to be its hat trick. Its frankly a big reason as to why I bought it. I got all my favorite things in one fantastic looking car.
Here where I live the maximum engine displacement that you can have for a petrol powered car is 2.0l. So I guess this is the only scenario where this car makes sense
Where is that?
@@sandersson2813 Algeria
@@sandersson2813 Algeria
@@sandersson2813 Algeria
@@sandersson2813 Algeria
A reminder of how poor Jaguars product planning, particularly in engines(drivetrains) has been over the last decade or so. They missed the whole hot petrol estate sector because estates were diesels for sales reps on the motorway. How lost they became in the shadow of Land Rover, and how their head start with the iPace became the abandonment of their electric product stream.
I'd go for the Four, added lightness, better steering, just need to rev it more.
Beautiful car, Jag's finest, and there's some quite affordable F-Types on Autotrader, however it's the infamous talk of Jag reliability which would worry me and the consequential maintenance/repair costs. Maybe I'm wrong and ignorant of such facts and just regurgitating what the masses say, I've never owned a Jag, however it's a British sports car and not an SUV, so the want is there.
Yeah, you are wrong. Lots of people think Jaguar is still living in the bad old British Leyland days, which is great for buying used - real automotive bargains to be had! I'm on my 4th Jaaaag and none of them has been unreliable or the money pit the doomsayers predict. It helps to find an independent you can trust and stay away from dealers for maintenance, of course. Keep on top of the maintenance and it'll serve you well, so long as you do your due diligence when buying. Fuel and tyres will be your main expense! 🙂
Nice review ! Thank you... but I already told it so many times to many people around the world : in my country (Belgium) it's impossible for non-miljonairs to drive a V8 because of TAXES ! I don't want to pay 15k € taxes for a V8 ...although I love a V8 ofcourse........... About the sound : I have a Ragazzon exhaust on my P300 and it sounds great !
Yep it makes a lot more sense outside of the UK
Excellent. My biggest problem with the new F-type R75: It is too much
The old F-Type is so much prettier than the New car. Those new headlights are horrid.
@@Gorilla_Jones the LED's in the older headlights on the passenger side fail regularly. £3.5k to replace. There's a group trying a class action lawsuit against Jag due to this. That's why I picked the new shape.
Apparently searches for the V6 F type have shot up since Clarkson had one on the grand tour sand job. Aka "Clarkson effect"
I had a 6 cylinder, now I have the R 8 cylinder.... You only live once go for the R
That was my thinking, as well. When I found an R I liked, I just figured if I'm going to do it, I might as well go for the most visceral experience. I will say, though, that the V8 is really way more than can legally be used on public roads. If you rev the engine out at all, you're well into triple digits in just a couple of shifts. On most roads, that engine is just loafing unless you're interested in putting yourself and others in danger or going to jail. From that perspective, I understand the case for the V6 versions. Much more useable on public roads.
How is the mileage so bad? A BMW B58 3.0L cylinder turbo gets 40+.
I've no idea
I had one and it was nice. That sums it up, nice. Same as the 911 I had, nice but dull.
I missed driving too much so I am back in a Lotus Elise again. Great and fair review.
981S for me
Fair enough on the points about it, as for comments below it does look as though this car did tick boxes for our european neighbours. For me, there is no doubt, V8 R AWD Coupe, it's 80% stiffer than the drophead too. Just delivers power in bucket loads, it is my swan song of motoring.
I borrowed a v6s cab several years ago and got 9mpg out of it over 24 hours. Great car though. Would love to know if this were less thirsty
I drove the chequered flag 2 litre last week. Still a beautiful car and fast but im not a fan if the turbo and the fact that you have to keep it beyween 3-5m tpm to get any decent exhaust noise, which in turn kills fuel consumption, probably more than the v8. I reckon id drive the v8 more sensibly and get giddy with lower rev exhaust noises, rhus saving fuel too. The car feels a bit wrong if in honest. Like buying a beef burger and finding out its made of tofu
A man in that shirt talking about style
Does it have the infamous stretched can chain issue which affects all ford Jaguar 4 cylinder engines?
Oh yeah. The V tensioners have their own issues
Of course not, it's not a Ford engine.
Ford had nothing to do with the Ingenium engine.
Lovely cars, newer Jags should all have the super V8 for me. Life's too short
i think we need more of these cars.. and cars even more downsized than this in size and engine size, with manual gearbox. affordable and beautiful. but people are too snobby that look down on this because it ISNT a v6 or a v8.. but why? it isnt a nissan juke, that is the most important thing.
i wish every manufactured made a lightweight 2-seater with a 3-4 cylinder with a manual, not to go fast, but stylish efficiency.
they used thev8 block as it ment they didn't have to pay for new crash testing for a v6 block
4 cylinder does not belong in a Jag. A V6 is pushing it. 3 years ago I really wanted an F, but when I drove one (V6) it wasn't Jaguarish enough, so bought a facelift 5.0 XKR for the same money.
4 Cylinders doesn’t belong in a Mustang, but Ford sell enough of them, and they ain’t too bad!
It's a shame jaguar never came out with the rumored modern straight six.
The car is fantastic ! Every time I drive it the experience is fabulous. I know it’s not an Aston…
An Aston is just a rich man's Jaaaag.
This is basically the British version of the Mustang Ecoboost. Any arguments in favor for it just aren't worth it, V8 or bust.
You're not trying to tell us it's a Ford-designed engine, are you? If so, you're wrong - it's a Jaguar designed engine that was built by Jaguar employees in their section of the Ford engine plant at Bridgend until 2020, and is now built at Jaguar's own engine plant in the Midlands.
@@stevemawer848 Okay
One thing I could think of for why JLR bothered launching the 4 cyl is perhaps to meet CAFE (corporate average fuel economy)?
And restrictive EU markets .....
What a loverly sweater
Interesting review. But I do wonder sometimes if reviewers don’t get the sometimes limited personal finances of average buyers. Suppose, (like me) you just want a great looking, sporty car, which is as new as you can afford, and won’t cost you nigh on £800 a year in tax ( and rising), plus higher Insurance costs? Surely that comes into it aswell? Having the V8 or V6 version is great, but the reality is as time goes on those cars/engines are going to be taxed to death, and therefore not viable as an ownership proposition. Some of us aren’t full on petroleum heads, we just like a nice looking sporty car to enjoy being in and driving around. At 18 the noise of a V8 would have been important to me, at 70 it’s not! But I still like sporty looking cars, so please remember drivers like me when you’re reviewing.
The new P300 is stunning
Never understood why they didn’t update the V6 engine and discontinued the V8 the thirsty one, considering the cost of running cost, beautiful car, one of Jaguars best.
The V8 is surprisingly frugal for their size, not a lot between them and the V6. Certainly beautiful, though - can't find one bad angle on mine!
Is the same engine used in the F Pace P300? Hard to find out online but I think so judging by the bhp and torque stats when compared
I'm not sure that the noise would be a deal-breaker for me. Maybe I'm a weirdo, I like the sound of my Volvo 2.4 5-cylinder D5 Diesel. The Boxter/cayman 718 and Emira i4 are also 4-cylinder cars that I don't mind at all.I spent most of my youth around people fitting Peco Big Bore 4 exhausts to base model or warm hatch varieties of Astras and Escorts in the 90's, Now I've grown up, I would rather have the performance but with the sound muted down and would feel a bit like a knob with a throaty V8 annoying my neighbours.
What im missing in this review is maintenance costs. Im sure the v6 is more expensive to run, right?
The most problematic engines are the D4 engines, which are called the AJ20 D4s. P4s are fine, along with the P6 and D6s of the range.
god bless you Jay, talking about car styling while wearing James may wardrobe.
I always wondered why Jaaaag didn’t offer a naturally aspirated V8 rather than the V6.
Because the V6 is glorious.
Because the v6 is the v8 with 2 empty cillinders
@@Gorilla_Jones I agree and I currently have one and have owned an svr F Pace
Yeah it would have been a great car, probably as light as the V6
I'd guess it has something to do with fleet average co2 emissions. The N/A 5.0 V8 produces 264g/km (in the 5.0 N/A XK) whereas the v6 produces 203g/km despite producing the the same power output.
I have to disagree with your point of the manual gearbox, if I could afford an f type (hopefully I will one day) then I would want one with a manual gearbox, it would be much more engaging and however good the auto is, it's just not the same.
Not the same, but the ZF is a really, really good box. Try it and be converted!
While I agree with you and also wish mine was a manual, it's very hard to find them, and the manual was only available with the V6 for the short time it was available. Only 4% of F-Types were built with the manual transmission. The consolation prize is that, even if we are stuck with an automatic, it really is one of the best automatic transmissions available. The ZF-8 shifts very quickly for a single clutch transmission, so quick that it can be mistaken for a double clutch at times, and it's extremely smooth and seems to always know what you want from it. No laggy shifts, refusal to downshift or search for the right gear. It's always right on point.
Great update thank you and yes the V8 rocks
Here in Brasil these 4 cylinders make a lot of sense, as they’re a lot cheaper than the v8 and still deliver the looks and driving characteristics of the car. But still, market just prefer the Cayman here.
I bet Maz is glad you reviewed the car :D (BTW I have an R version 😉 )
I liked my 4 pot FType,could just hang on to the tail of a BMW 840i but I now have a V6S as part of my journey through the range .
Is it night and day difference in performance? The sound isn't an issue for me.
BTCC, DTM, Super GT GT500, Porsche 919 are all powered by 2.0 I4. So 2.0 I4 is not a wrong way to go.
I always ask myself, Between modern power levels and NVH, is a 4 cylinder really that bad? Keep in mind that exhaust isn't important to everyone, and it could easily be argued that for those that it is (myself included), the manufacturer is just playing off emotion to get you to pay more.
4 Cyl Turbos were fine in VW and Audi models 20 years ago (what i've spent the most time in) and have only gotten more powerful and more time has been spent on NVH.
Whenever the 'economical' debate comes up, "its cheaper to run", you're already spending at least 2-3x as much as you 'need' to spend on a car, you aren't saving much by getting a couple extra MPG.
I will accept the weight savings. Some of the BMW's are in a similar boat where the 4cyl turbo has better weight distribution and is lighter.
Also cheaper to maintain.
Rear is fine - I prefer the rear or rear three-quarter view of most cars anyway. It's the best angle for me. Cue jokes about that being the view I see most as I'm overtaken by one!
Interior is far too grey for my liking. I'd want something lighter, in a different colour.
Video titles these days are doing my head and I do not know what it is about them that's doing it. And, why is there an army of accounts with sexy body parts for head shots posting chat-gpt written glowing reviews about our hero?
the capitalisation of literally every word is probably the cause.
I agree mate
I think its a reflection that You Tube HQ is full of bums and fannies
I can't take responsibility for the comments
bots, obviously
I don't know what to think. James said the Ferrari 365 is not pretty. 😂
I wouldn't call the hard top version "pretty", a better adjective would be "imposing". The word "pretty" is one I'd reserve for smaller sports cars with more modest (but still sufficient) engines, whereas a full fat V12 Ferrari deserves a more suitable choice of description. It's a sophisticated looking car for the era, and definitely purposeful looking, but it's no automotive baby doll. More a sort of four wheeled Sophia Loren.
The convertible Daytona, however, that one is breathtaking. Few cars have the same presence, though one that does is another drop top, in the form of the original Maserati Ghibli Spyder, which is a sublime work of art.
Indeed at this juncture, I'm wondering what a convertible Miura might have looked like if Lamborghini had been willing or able to produce one. But that might have been a tad frightening to drive!
I'm not put off by tapering tail ends anywhere near as much as James, but it's a look that does require some care in execution, and the malign effects of the SUV "steroid body bulges" trend that have hopped across to some sports cars do not merge well with a tapering tail. As for putting a coupé roofline on an SUV, that's just absurd.
If any designer wants to go for the tapering tail look, I'd suggest learning to do it right by looking at the Maserati Khamsin.
@Calilasseia The Khamsin is nice, indeed. I am more of a Jensen Interceptor guy myself. When I saw a Zagato Shooting Brake in the flesh it was very striking. I bet James is cringing at the thought of all these fastbacks and shooting brakes. Maybe we should lock him up in a room full of only these cars, and see if he grows to like them.
@@Spenny909 ... damn, I forgot about the Jensen Interceptor! 4 wheel drive and anti lock brakes 13 years before the Audi Quattro!
He's right.
I think the E-type looks crap as well 🤣
@johnlow4064 [Gasps from several people in the room]
"Did he just say...?"
"He did!"
"What should we do?"
"Off with his head!"
"Off with our heads!"
From that moment, while chaos ensued and descended into the collapse of the very fabric of our society across the world, a chemical fire developed in the main server computer that stored the data of a comment section of a TH-cam channel. From a smouldering electrical fire turned into a raging fire that engulfed the frenzy and disintegrated everything that was related to mankind into nothing. All was gone. Thousands of years of a race was now a layer of ash. No trace of what intelligence, elegance, and art were accomplished by the beings.
I really like the F Type and would like to get a new V6 or V8.
But what’s putting me off is the constant bombardment of Land Rover vehicles being unreliable through surveys. Mixed with high insurance and in the top end for stolen vehicles.
Does the F Type fall into the same categories or are they bucking the trend for JLR vehicles.
Or should I spend my money on a V8 Lexus instead?
Would like your opinion as whatever I go for it’s going to be expensive.
In my experience of 4 Jaguars they've all been reliable and relatively inexpensive to run and maintain. Maybe I'm just lucky? Go for the Lexus if you can stand the looks.
The 4-cylinder version was not offered in the US and it’s interesting to hear about.
The 4 cylinder was very much available here in the US. It was discontinued for the final model year.
I didn’t know there was a four cylinder to be honest! I thought it was the V6 or a V8, and I always favoured the 6 because it was a bit more traditional (not an in-line I know), and it could have a manual.
Interesting review I was a little bit scared to watch it as I have a 2021 F Type P300 and I love it. But anyway I did watch it and it wasn’t bad it’s a shame you got an old one that had been messed with. That exhaust sounded awful. Mine sounds much better and it’s stock I know as Petrol Ped on his review says it doesn’t sound like a V6 or a V8 but then it wouldn’t would it.
Are there aftermarket modifications to make the P300 sounds good?
Why would the engineers allow the bean counters to just blank off two cylinders to get a v6 out of a v8 block, that is why Jaguar failed and is going to disappear to a Jaguar special edition model of a mundane model, like mini badging models as John Cooper..
I've always admired the F-Type for its looks. It hasn't dated and to those of us who like the old-school coupe recipe I don't think it ever will. But I struggle to gravitate to one due to the size, and weight, and auto box, and JLR reliability. For me a BMW Z4 Coupe (E86) seems a more shrewd move. Is that an unfair comparison?
The BMW is a shrewd move if you're looking for pity that you bought such an ugly car! The Jag beats it hands down, and mine has proved to be very reliable - just routine servicing (at a trusted independent), fuel and tyres so far in 6 years (bought used at one year). And ZF and Jaguar have done a brilliant job with the auto box - try one before you dismiss it out of hand.