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The Martin Mac 250 Plus - Is It Worth It In 2020?
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i still love my claypaky sharpy movers from 2009
We had a lot of these in bars back in the day and this model and the 500 took so much maintenance. I see them on EBay a lot and wonder if I should buy one for old times sake. Thanks for the interesting video.
I love these lights. Somthing about them makes me like them much more than the newer technology today.
Eddie Zarick indeed. There’s something about them. I personally prefer the Mac 250 Entour in look and features but for a light that’s 21 years old. They are pretty solid for dark venues. Great ground package lights!
They have a certain solidness and non-nonsence approach to getting the job done.
Nice review, we had a bunch of these a Loughborough SU when I worked as lighting and rigging crew around 2006-8ish.
they are awesome fixtures and still do the job perfectly, I have grown more to using the Entours now, if you would like to see that and maybe a shout out between 250 plus and 250 entour, then of course let me know!
@@Danstechworld a back to back with Entours sounds good if your game. The other lights we have where a load of 918 Scanners, and obviously Pro400s.
Plus six cyberlights which where part of the house rigging, old even then, but also bloody good kit!
My High school owned 2 Martin mac 300s and 2 martin mac 250 kryptons but only one of the krypton's work, and they were very good and for a high school we were lucky to own these fixtures also i was a lighting technician at my school
these were actually acquired from my high school....they owned them from new and I still have the receipts for them! can't beat an old martin mac, they are solid lights and still perform and everyone knows what they are!
Nice Video. You are completely right, an old moving light is still a moving light. And the prices really dropped down so it makes it very attractive go get some old professional quality light instead of cheap new ones. Just look at MAC 700s. They are awesome. But the sound (loud fans , motors and end positions of some effect wheels)!!!, weight and size are factors to consider... and they will have issues. But they are servicable. Try servicing a 5 year old budget moving head. You have to hope that you still get spare parts. The chinese manufacurers like to make changes to stuff without documenting it.
Although original new Martin spare parts are not cheap...
I used to have a bunch of Smart Macs. The dual case is the same as for the 250s and it's more like 80kg. There is no way to stack it by your self.
And the bulbs expolde after a while. It's not dangerous but you have to completely clean the fixture after it. That takes some time...
Thanks for the video. Greetings from Daniel to Daniel.
Indeed, I now have a few cases of 250 Entours too, if you would like to see a 2021 tour of those plus maybe a shoutout of the plus en Entour, then be sure to let me know!
Just acquired some Studio 250’s and I came across a pair of Mac 250+’s that I considered adding to the collection. Still on the fence, but I truly love collecting history.
I was toying with either getting a set of 250 Kryptons or Elation Platinum 5r Spot. Ended up with the Elations due to weight.
Thanks for the info...
I know it’s old - but the color wheel is really great - you get your normal “dj” colors but you also get great pastels and a CTO.
Also the stock gobos are pretty swell. I love the glass lines gobo.
the Glass line/water one has to be my favourite gobo of all time, but a prsim, split clour in and that gobo and its a gorgeous effect.
I grew up using these lights. I liked them at the time, but then I brought a bunch of Mac500s, 550's (not well know!) and 700s and once I got them my view of the Mac250 was that it simply didn't have enough feautures, were not bright enough and wasnt the best for theatre because if they have to compete with fresnels and profiles, they are drowned out.
NB: I don't care about the weight. Im strong and they help keep me fit.
Even with new lamps & fully cleaned still not bright enough, the optics just weren’t great but for over 20 years ago they were good, I have Entours now & they are really good.
I would love entours. Are they a lot brighter. I know they are sharper and better colours but that’s about it. I have 97% led now but I love this generation of Martin stuff from early 00s!
Danstechworld honestly the Entour Mac 250 is no comparison to the original Mac 250, it’s just so much brighter, faster, better looking, better gobo’s, really a fantastic fixture, way way better than all this Rush stuff they released.
@@lovemachinemelb bare in mind the 250+ MK4 differs a lot from the original using a different bulb type and completely different optics. I would love to get my hands on Entours or even Kryptons and do a head to head shoot out on them! I know they are brighter on paper, but I would love to see those numbers translate into the sky.
@@Danstechworld yeah it would be a good comparison. We're planning to 'DIY' a lot of our wedding in the back garden. Which will include hiring or convincing someone to DJ for us, but I'm tempted to buy pair of Entours and or some 918s. Might also be able to rope in some borrows and or someone to play lampy for the day. Big marque in the garden.
@@dhutch2000 its a shame I'm probably a million miles away from you as my lights need to get out and about, but entours are getting hard to find...again but they are worth it
Can anyone tell me the difference between the 250+ and the Entour models? Is the + version newer than the release of Entour in 2003?
Mac 250 is so my childhood. ❤️ Make some videos about vintage ones ha! Cyberlight and studio Color 575.
Honestly I’d love to but don’t have the funds to purchase other lights, this is just what was in inventory, new lights on the way!
How about the old technobeams? I just got rid of 24 of them. Great lights and a workhorse, but I don't miss the weight of them
I have 4x robe 1200ats which were ex install and they were caked in dust soon as they were cleaned they looked factory new but they are ludicrously bright but still great fixtures
hah. a local theater converted to music hall uses a couple of these, and I was curious what they were and found myself here.. they run the gobo effects super slow and use them as the backstage washes.
I am in the situation where I need to decide between modern day low-mid range moving heads, vs older higher end moving heads like this one. I am thinking of investing in 4 Chauvet DJ Intimidator Spot 260's. We own 2 Chauvet 375z 150watt movers, and they are super bright. The brightness of these movers is helpful when using the prisms, but we don't need their full power when just using the beams themselves.
We only have pipe, not truss, to rig them on, which makes me concerned about buying old lights due to their weight and the possibility of additional rigging needs.
But there are heaps of functionality that the old fixtures have that the new fixtures do not. The Martin gobo's are far superior, and they have CMY where the Chauvet's just have a colour wheel. And the older fixtures seem to all require a lamp, compared to the LED only power of the Chauvet's.
Could anyone share any thoughts?
We are a small school theatre, that has lots of small music performances, and some drama and dance performances.
Well, these old fixtures like the Mac 250s are around 50lbs, so they are pretty heavy, but they are bright, comparable to about a 50 or 60w LED. Feature-wise, these have the best gobos and the best effects in any moving head i have seen, and the other ones like a Mac 550, have a 400w discharge lamp and TONS more features.
@@croissantproductions Thankyou very much. I'm feeling much better about purchasing these old fixtures. :)
@@mrmcrobbkdc4001 No problem!
a 250 Plus will outdo a 100w LED source, I have a pair of them sat in a rig of 4 Chauvet Spot 350s and the Macs destroy them, even with prisms in place...but at 23KG they aren't light, but they are much better in the long run. You could also go a pair of Macs and a lighter pair of LED, best of both worlds and I rig 4 Entours on dual beam 35mm truss (its not really truss, its crap) but with crank stands, perfectly usable and safe.
@@Danstechworld thankyou
Hey! Realky liked your video! I would like to purchase a few moving heads, and had a few questions: when you say you can't touch the lamp, for it can explode, does it mean I can't touch the glass or the entire lamp with bare hands?
What are the cheaper and better options ?
Thanks!
Hi there, when I say you can't touch the lamp I should have cleared it up by saying the glass, the oils on your fingers leave marks on the bulb that the filament reacts with, therefore shortening the life of the bulb significantly or outright killing it once powered up. By cheaper options are you referring to moving heads or bulbs? For moving heads, plenty of cheap china lights and even good china built lights, I have a lot myself for rentals but you can't beat the dependability of these old fixtures, no they aren't the brightest thing ever but they certainly put up a fight with some of my newer fixtures and in some cases beat on output or features like motorized focus. If on about bulbs for these, unfortunately, you just have to suck it up and pay the price for the Metal Halide lamps are just expensive, and the brighter you go, the price goes with it. Hope this answers your question, one way or another anyway, and thank you for the comment!
Was really hoping you were going to give us a demo?
I'm saving it for a video with the Entours and being that my house is bloody tiny and due to covid, its hard getting into normal venues and setting up big movers shining through windows, easy way to get myslef fined haha.
@@Danstechworld I don't envy you XD but I understand. Looking fwd to that video.
Convert it to an LED lamp, not too difficult to do! 😊
*nervously laughs in LD using multiple Coemar Infinity Wash XLs, Mac 2000s, & VL3500s weighing down trusses and calculating weight loads for local venues*
Oh yeah been there done that too haha, it’s scary how close you can get (or go over) forget have much a Mac 2K weighs when there’s 15 of them up
Useful video, thank you. I have a question, having seen a few of these lamps for sale at pretty decent prices. I'm looking to do an art installation which would involve illuminating the interior of a building with patterned gobos. A group of lamps would be used for different effects. Do you think the 250 Plus would be sufficiently bright to deal with throws of typically 10-12m? Projection surface is mid grey. Very little ambient light (aiming to do this at night). Thanks in advance!
Hi Dens, What kind of lights you recommend for a fixect instalation (Club) with 5m ceiling? Thanks
These are pretty cool. How did you get into the lighting business?
I was part of two theatre schools from the age of 7 so as I got older I did some of the smaller shows lighting, I also went to school where they had no technician in a brand new building so I thought myself schools desk and programmed their lights, luckily my local theatres and school all used very similar zero88 desks so I could get straight to it. Now I do larger theatres and run my own company out of the knowledge so happy days!
Got two, unfortunately both broken :-(, can't find out what's wrong. Both won't power on. Probably something wrong with the pcb, but great lights when working!
Replace the entire PSU they have a habit of failing or the ballast for the bulbs. If you can get ahold of the manual it’s worth a shot!
Hi can you get the Martin Mac 250 Entour to go to music and how ??
Do one of old scanners
I dont know why you say martin moving heads arent good today. Ive got a rush mh5 that i have to turn the brightness down because of how bright it is, and its colors and effects are quite beautiful.
Yes its 1k vs the 300$ of a mac 250 but at full steam 2 mh5s are going to dazzle more than 4 mac 250s
It’s not the brightness of an older Mac, it’s the build quality, the ability to repair on the fly with nothing more than a flat head screwdriver. The old macs feel like they can take a fall of a flight case and still work (in fact mine have) but new Martin rush lights don’t have that quality feel. I have used most of the new Rush series and yes they are bright but they seem very generic, very plasticky feeling that rattles and sounds tinny. It’s just a copy paste of ADJ and Chauvet, same as most generic Chinese lights. You get martins optics, yes, but the feel of them, they just aren’t built like sh*t brick houses anymore.
Like your video. BUT i think you should have made an AB test with those new LED lights you metioned. In a room with some fog.
I plan on doing that at some point, but also have the Mac 250 Entours to now so might do a shootout of all 3? recon that'll be a good video? Thankyou for your comment too!
@@Danstechworld That would def. be a good idea. The video after that could be a review of the robe xt250 - thats an old lamp with an innovative prism system worth checking out. :)
i was watching these lights under my childwood example in stages like freddie mercury, U2, gang and roses, red hot chilli peppers and pink floyd uses theses old tecnologhy of stage light
the likes of those bands were using much older lights from the brand Varlilite such as the VL1 and VL2 and VL5 (have a quick google and you'll see them). Big square box style ones, much much older than even these!
Would you buy 6 Martin mac2000 wash to add to a little hire fleet....
martin mac 2000s are great, but boy oh boy are heavy, I would personally look at MAC 600 washes, less weight, less power used but still very bright
Why do I get that it has 4 asterisks and does not turn on as it should only the 4 asterisks appear on the screen
Emiliano Castañeda thats seems it erroring and basically telling you it’s missing firmware. It’s a pain to fix that but possible. You need to borrow an older Martin desk and a floppy disk to update. Or see if you can reset the logic boards
Hey how can you set these lights to ‘auto’ or to run on their own without a dmx controller?
these are pro lights, there is no auto or sound active mode, only DM, so you need a controller, you can set manual parameters via the screen but no movement, etc. That's only a thing you'll find in "DJ" lights, nothing for professional use will have "auto" mode. Hope that helps you!
What would you use to control them?
Any DMX controller will do it, personally for shows I have ADJ MYDMX 2.1 and 3.0 aswell as on theatre shows I use ZERO88 and MA2
Hi everyone My boss of the club gave me 3 old of them. Where can i find replacements ( does it worth it?)? Gobo motors, lamps. Thanks 🙌
they are great, especially if they were free, I put a lot of time and restoration into my pair. The best place to look for parts is eBay, lamps you can still buy new, just google martin mac 250+ lamp on google and browse about for a deal. other than that, keep your eye out for parts floating about the internet.
@@Danstechworld they're super great. im about to transform them in led with 100w led cob :D. it is frightening
@@djkennySb I personally wouldn't due to the lamp power supply and also 100w I wouldn't think would be powerful enough for the old optics, It's worth a shout for free lights, but I don't mind them having bulbs, I work in theatres a lot where its no issue. Oh, by the way, I now have the Mac 250 Entours so a review coming soon and maybe a shoot out on both?!
@@Danstechworld i ordered already, just waiting the products to start to convert it. ill let you know how its going after. 100w led i think could be brighter than the original with 250w :)
I find 8 of them with + 8 bulb with power cord, dmx cord and a controler for 1000$ is it a good deal
These was my first moving head experience, always a favourite but by today’s standard they’re quite slow moving 😅
If you go into the settings, and set the movement speed of the motors you can get them a little quicker but downside you loose a little bit of accuracy. On saying that in MyDMX on 16 bit mode they can hang on in there and will actually go pretty quick for a large format moving head. The entour does move quicker though, I’ll do a review soon hopefully, they are just all out on events currently!
How much do the mac krypton 250s go for today? Thank you
Alot...weirdly they've gone up in price and there's not many about...in full working condition. They go for around £500-600 a pair, sometimes more in my area, and the 250 Plus's arent far behind in price either for a restored pair like mine...there's tonnes in broken condition but not many working.
Damn, they are my favorite, it’s my dream to own a pair of moving heads but I can’t ever afford a pair 😞
Danstechworld do you have any that you want to get rid of? I would love to have a first pair
@@henriquemiranda5748 my email is ddse123@gmail.com, if I sell anything I can let you know
@@Danstechworld I know this is a year old comment but look now and you’ll find krypton’s sub £200 and the 250+ maybe £50 a unit.
Can you do the same video but for the 700?
Hi there, unfortunately I don’t have 700s, I have 250 entours so planning on a video of them, it’s only equipment I have in inventory, if I get the chance to borrow a pair then I’ll be sure to do a vid! Hope that helps
Don’t touch 700s these days unless you are really into repairing lights… you can mod them to be brighter but it won’t get you around the constant power supply failures, loom issues, knackered colour flags etc etc. avoid unless they are low hours and very very cheap.
@@Savagetechie that sounds like an uneducated online forum response.. I have a pair of 700’s and they are the most solid pair of lights I have ever owned. High hours too. I’ve had no issues at all. And they’re much brighter than 250’s which won’t get you any light now a days. Cheers.
@@Savagetechie also not 100% sure anybody asked if they were good lights.
@@drumhead96 1) I was responding to the commentor who had asked for a similar video based on a mac700.
2)i spent the best part of a decade keeping 700s competing. I loved them but I wouldn't even touch one now.
Sorry I upset you. I didn't quantify my comment outside of the response.
Sorry 3rd) yes, I edited my comment how viable is a 700 to hire? In any state.
And 4th) (again I edit but I've had a few so I'm slow) I kept 40 on active hire stock.. On more than one occasion I had to plead that the LD just lamped them on before dismissal. Sadly luminaries have fasion.
Edit 5) I can't spell, I'm drunk but I've spent nearly 20 years working on movers, hold 2 degrees and a handful of industry certificates. .. If I'm an Internet troll what qualifications do you have?
Edit 27)yeah well done troll, you annoyed me and I responded I'm 50/50 congratulating you or swearing at you BUT you played me like a fiddle so I'm airing towards congratulations.
Daniel your handsome.
Lol..
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youre a lighting operator NOT a designer unless you design every thing down to the cables you are using
I design the lighting as well, cables, DMX desk, rigging, it's down to me, I run three theatres and manage it all, so I am a designer as well as an operator. I'm chief lighting designer and operator for that as well as my own events where it's me doing everything.