Can ANYONE Beat Amazon Basics' Screwdriver? New Vessel, Mac, Dremel & More
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Today we try to beat the Amazon Basics Denali cordless screwdriver with more and more expensive options from Dong Cheng, SKIL, Dremel, Fanttik, Vessel Japan & Mac Tools. Strange world we're living in where the crosshairs are on Amazon's own brand, but for the price we're not complaining!
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The thumbnail with the products lined up next to each other made me think it was nose hair trimmer testing. Somewhat glad, somewhat disappointed it's not.
I would totally watch a nose hair trimmer comparison video.
As i get older I'm finding peak horsepower might be a growing concern on these things after all
@@TorqueTestChannel - I've stalled mine. ;)
@@TorqueTestChannel Please just never do a shootout of the stupid "manscaping" tools XD
@@anonony9081 So I've bought the MicroTouch Max (as seen on tv) and the Wahl Micro Groomsman (both of those are linear heads), in addition to using the nose hair attachment (rotary head) for my Philips beard trimmer.
The MicroTouch kind of stopped working, but also works after some percussive maintenance. The Wahl Micro Groomsman works great, but feels less quality, however it has given me no issues.
I find the linear heads of the MicroTouch Max and Wahl Micro Groomsman are better than the rotary head style.
Cannot believe AmazonBasics is the benchmark to beat
We're living in a simulation
Yeah that’s crazy to me to
I mean...kinda, if you use these useless stats. They say at the end that if they were actually buying something to use it would be the Dremel. That checks out. The Denali is 5% faster and 10% smaller, and substantially cheaper. That speed difference is seriously 3 seconds across that whole board full of bolts. Meanwhile the buttons are inconveniently placed vs the Dremel's push-to-run, and the Dremel has a mechanical clutch which can be a great improvement in a variety of tasks. But take a look at the rankings...there's simply no section for features, ergonomics, or ease of use. The tool that sucks to use but just barely smaller and faster (and quite a bit cheaper) wins. So yeah, if you ignore whether the tool works well, the Amazon is fantastic!
@@huntercook6605 I used the Amazon for a full hour this week, doesnt suck to use at all. But I agree it would be nice if we had a way to assign points to features without just making it up.
@@huntercook6605 I bought the Amazon basics one before this channel made the first video about these. I've used it quite a bit and it's been working really well. The buttons are in an awkward spot but for the price, it's a fantastic little driver
Yes, please do the pistol drivers! I want to see how bad of a decision I made to pay a small fortune for my Milwaukee pistol driver and batts :D
I'm sorry, but it was. Should have bought the Metabo
Yes please! I have a Skil Paul grip one and while it's not the fastest it does have quite a lot of torque
If you do pistol drivers, make sure and include the NoCry one. I bought it after Project Farm did a similar comparison test and it's been really impressive for the price.
I'd like to see the Bauer 4v screwdriver tested. I bought it on sale at $15 thinking I wouldn't use it but I use it quite often. It's nice having something small when you don't want the grunt of a drill or impact driver.
@@jasonpotts6490 you made the right decision. Using really nice tools makes you more confident in fixing things.
Cordless screwdrivers aren't about max torque at all. One of the important use scenarios of them is low torque applications that require the tool to not only work fast, but also stops when it should. In my daily use, I assemble electrical panels at work, and assemble furniture, electronics and appliances at home. I need a screwdriver that can save my wrist from turning hundreds of screws daily, and I constantly deal with softer fasteners/materials such as aluminum, plastic and wood and the fasteners are generally small. Having torque control is very important so that I don't constantly ruin the head of fasteners or the threads. The SKIL Twist 2.0 is the cheapest on market with some kind of torque control which is pretty amazing, although it's torque control I believe is based on motor current. If you get a pistol type Makita it would have a real clutch that is guaranteed to slip at certain torque than it's even better for precision low torque applications. All in all I hope you could take this aspect into consideration for a more comprehensive ranking of these screwdrivers.
I'm glad you said it. It's nice to know what the absolute power of things is, but it's entirely not the point of this product category. Given this is the "Torque Test Channel", it would make sense to have at least a couple of basic torque tests:
1. Test the actual torque values of each torque / power setting on each driver.
2. Test those values for repeatability - how consistent is the performance.
Ergonomics, battery life, accuracy of torque limits, and build quality all matter to me much more than the tests in the video, provided it's above a certain basic threshold of power and speed.
@@ccmmrrnn very detailed test plan! Hope the OP will see this and do another round with them. I honestly will never use these to turn nuts above 3/8. Afterall they're called screwdrivers
@@themusicguy819 Exactly. I've mainly used them in the course of manufacturing, testing and installing industrial electronics, mostly driving M3 and M4 phillips and torx screws.
The DeWalt gyro drivers have an impeccable clutch that goes down to really low torque settings. The Makita is nice in that once the clutch trips it cuts power to the motor instead of just continuing to run with the clutch slipping
@@FowlerAskew it sounds like a win for Makita. Would be really good if TTC can give them all a test, plus the Metabo HPT I used to use at work
The Denali from the last video was the best powered-tool I've ever purchased. Saves so much time even if it's just to thread on/in nuts and bolts and screws before tightening. For home tasks, anything more is usually overkill.
I was surprised after all these years I didn't have something like this. Saved me so much time where using a drill is overkill/heavy for simple tasks.
The denali is theost used tool on my property. Between hanging pictures, assembling furniture, etc. It's easily my favorite tool out of dozens
I have one just like the skill one but blue and labeled hammerhead that I have been using for the better part of a decade. But I think I am going to order myself the denali, I want that extra umph.
I have the denalli and use it way more than I thought I would. Gotta be careful to not strip anything smaller than #6 / M4. Might have to give the dremel with its clutch a try.
Better be glad that you bought it when you did. Now it doesn't come with the 5 year warranty. Only 1 year Amazon Basics
I have the Vessel 3-speed. Love it. Dropped off a 8ft ladder on concrete. Popped the shell back together and works fine. Used MorgansMaintenence's Eraser Mod to fit a locking non-JIS bit. Wish I had 2 of them.
I do have two of them because I love them so much. If you’re looking for something that needs torque and is small, get the Makita pen impact driver. If you’re looking to take screws in and out and not drive them, use the Vessel.
At work, we upgraded from the 4v Milwaukee 2101 to 8v Dewalt DCF680. Both have clutch settings and separate batteries, which are requirements for us. The milwaukees started dying after a year or 2. The Dewalts have held up well so far, and everyone seems to like the gyroscope feature.
I am a lead elechicken in a steel foundry. I bought my dewalt screwdriver a couple years ago. The reason is that our crane pendents have 12 screws on the pack. The best investment I have ever made. Just with your hand in the direction of screw ,ovement, out or in.
Easily my favorite tool
I have the Dremel/Bosch at work for electronics assembly. It's quite decent and it does hold up well (which I doubt some of these other ones can). The permanently installed battery obviously isn't great, I'd much rather have a swappable battery - which is doable in this format. The lowest clutch setting is also a bit hard, fine for most tasks but somewhat harder than on my Metabo drill-driver despite obviously being a much weaker tool overall.
If you make another video on this subject please include the Wiha Speed-E II. It's small, expensive, 1000V rated, has a swappable battery and I want to know if it's worth it.
I would like to see this too. I like that it has swappable batteries but wished they had used more common 18650's instead of 18500's.
It's not likely to do well in this test... The torque specs (0.2 - 1.0 Nm) are significantly lower than the Vessel (1.2 - 1.6 Nm), and absolutely blown away by the GO (0.4 - 5.0 Nm).
That said the Speed-E II looks like an great craft product:
- Voltage rating covers small+ capacitors
- Lowest torque setting likely makes it safe to start screws using just the driver (not by hand, which can be a serious safety bonus)
- Overall torque is plenty to spin indoor electronic screws (Hand tightening will be necessary)
Wiha have a newer than that Speede ll not electrically tested , just for "mechanical?" Unsure of the price but it won't fall too far from the pricing of their current crop
I have been using the Denali since you guys tested it and I am impressed, just after two months of use on aircraft. It works well! Thank you all for all of your hard work and time!
I use the Vessel daily for a few months now. It’s so comfortable to use. The ball end screwdrivers are my new go to for comfort. I find it works great. I usually have to give a screw a 1/4 turn to loosen it before I can use the motor to remove it. I like the fact that it is torque limited as I find I can’t over tighten a screw with it.
Of course we want to see the pistol style 2
I grab my dewalt 601 first.
I bought one immediately after your first video on the Amazon screwdriver. It's been a work horse for me. I bought another one as a father's day gift.
Great video! I happen to have the Dremel and I thought it might be worth mentioning that you can just push the button to make it spin too.
That's important because, while the push-to-activate part is pretty well tuned, you still might find it requires too much pushing when using it on very small fasteners.
The clutch is VERY nice to have on a tool like this (it broadens the range of fasteners you can use it with without damaging them). I do sometimes wish it had a speed selector too.
Im in France, had to buy the Denali from Amazon US to get it, shipped and received in 3 days, man what a time to be alive ...
I have the vessel. Thing is a wrist saver anytime I'm doing electrical, especially cover putting on mass cover plates at the end of a reno.
I've had the Denali since the first review. I'm still amazed as to how good it is. I originally bought it just to have on the workbench for light duty, but i use it more and more now. I have the Vessel High Torque for working on RC cars, light duty, easy to carry around and it works fine. Keep up the great reviews
Would Denali work well with RC cars? Got into the hobby recently and I wonder what tools I need to get.
@TheSerbianG it can be used on RC car's, no problem. I prefer the Vessel low speed, high torque because it's much smaller than the Denali and easier to carry around
The danali/amazon basics is sold in the dutch dollar store called: action. Its under the brand name: ferm. Its only 11 euros. Its the exact same tool. And its awesome.
I own the Ferm but also the new Worx Wx242 with clutch, locking collet and on/off switch. Even though it's 3 to 4 times the price of the Ferm I do think it's at least 5 times as usefull. Bits can't just fall out, the clutch allowes to use it on delicate stuff and the on/off switch means you can just throw it in a bag together with other tools and don't have to worry about it turning itself on. It also comes with a nice assortiment of bits and a storagecase.
Don't get me wrong, the price of the Ferm is unbeatable (I think I gotnis for €10) but if you can spend the extra money on the Worx you will get a much more versatile tool. (Also the ringlight on the Worx looks much nicer)
@@MrSjirafje oh yeah i believe its better but the tool store didn't have them in inventory so i bought the ferm one. And i use it for installing outlets and such. Than its awesome i have used the skill with the swivel head as well and for the work i do its a little better because you dont have to put your hand in a weird way to use it
Model Nummer plsss
@@Kohlrouladeable dont know. Cannot read it anymore of the tool. The sticker is not great quality.
@@Kohlrouladeable Ferm CDM1178, I paid €9,77 for it.
I said it last time too, but that dewalt is absolutely great! Have the flex handle version myself and I LOVE it!
I bought that Amazon Denali after watching your last cordless screwdriver video - it's still working awesome and has great power. It's my go to at home
I bought a Denali after your last video and it is our favorite tool for around the house work.
That Dremel is very impressive! Happy to see a big brand not simply riding its name alone but actually innovating in the category
It's a rebadge of a different tool, Dremel did not make it.
@@OnlyDadsOG what's the original design under?
@@jonlaw16 Dremel is owned by Bosch. The dremel is the exact same tool as the Bosch Go 2 for almost half the cost.
This is crazy. I just figured it out the new clutch power tools use hyper tough batteries and their mid torque half-inch impact wrench is the exact same as the hyper tough one
I bought the Denali on your suggestion, and used it a bunch over this past weekend for a bunch of equipment assembly at work. And it was awesome. Best tool for the money purchase in a long time.
I picked up a DongCheng Screwdriver 6 months ago on amazon, and it's solidly built with high-quality materials. It also offers three different torque settings. I love that it comes with a set of driver bits. The built-in flashlights are great for lighting up dark spots. It is absolutely worth the money.
I agree. good quality tools should not be laughed.
The brand is famous in Asia for years. Basically all my Asian employees have at least one from it.
3 settings isnt enough for me. i need lowest as possible power settings to highest. dremel might be perfect for me.
"they definitely have a way with brand names..." 😂🤣😂
This had me dead 😂 dong and dck lmao
Totally want a pistol grip review, I love my Hitachi/Metobo due to having 2 batteries to swap with external charger, dual transmission, proper clutch
But at work it's fallen out of favor as I can do most of the same delicate work with the DeWalt 3speed impact when on lowest screwdriver (non impact) setting.
Bought the Denali based on this review, it has been indispensable since I bought it. The speed and power of it has been a very nice feature. Highly recommend.
Have been using my Bosch 12v drill driver for years and love it for work. Wish more companies made those.
My favorite is still the Panasonic EY7410 - bought one ages ago and still does everything from tiny laptop repairs to big shelf montage. Only in very few scenarios did I ever need to break out the Makita for screwing/unscrewing.
I actually really like the twist collar design, it feels more organic with the default 'screw-driver' grip with the thumb and forefinger up front. The button drivers feel wildly foreign in my hands, and I have tried half a dozen electric drivers. The Skil SD561201 is my favorite even though it is not the strongest or fastest. I have not tried the dremel but I will now for the push to go feature.
We used the Dremels at the panel shop I worked at. The push-to-rum and clutch were incredibly nice when doing lots of precision work, like tightening down several hundred screw post terminals without stripping them
I have the DongCheng for months, I can reach and screw a small project up in minutes. Definitely a tool to have around.. So far I have used to put together 3 pretty big items without having to recharge it. It's a great deal for only $20.
Dongcheng is no.1 in China, but I don't know why it's so cheap, it's a professional brand in China.
These things can all help you screw up your projects quickly-
I have the Skil screwdriver, and I can safely say that the lack of power isn't very noticable when using it on small electrical equipment. The voltage tester is my favorite part of the screwdriver since it reaplaces my standalone tester and screw bit holder in the tool bag.
It was given as a gift and it does hold up fairly well for a lot but I have definitely had to do a decent amount of hand turning. Also some of the bits that come with it, especially the phillips, are just terrible so I had to swap many out to be useful.
For electronics I prefer the much thinner electric pencil drivers which puts the skil in an odd spot. On one hand you could say the power acts as a janky torque limiter and there have been times I was surprised it didn't break when manually going gorilla mode well beyond what would absolutely destroy thinner drivers (ask me how I know).
That Denali is one of the best tool purchases I have gotten due to watching TTC comparison test. And believe me, I have bought quite a few. Ask my Wife! 😅
The wife test is flawed! They'll say even one is too many!
I’ve been using the dremel (Bosch go in my case) for a couple of years now, as an electrician I wouldn’t be without it and the push to operate is the game changer over all the others for me.
I have the Bosch GO2 - the dremel in the US. Its an awesome tool, very powerful, very fast. The push mechanism is super awesome. 🙂
The updated version has LEDs in the front and USB-C charging.
That push to go feature looks so convenient 👍
@@volvo09 yes, you don't need to turn the handle to find a button to press.
My Go2 was stolen, I replaced it with the Go3, it's by far a better unit with USB C charging, locking bit holder and LED lights
@@michaelhb6919 Nice.My Go2 has not been stolen thankfully but the go3 looks nice.
Can you compare power?
Seems the only places to get the Go 3 are Chinese sellers on eBay and Aliexpress…anyone know when they’ll land in less risky channels?
Mac really dropped the ball on this one. What a terrible product.
Seriously, that's embarrassing.
vendor supplied item and mac has some terrible product managers also
Mac sucks
Mac is trash
@@LiverpoolReject it’s not all Mac. The stuff they make for real pros is very good.
Id like to see the really slim pen sized type electric screwdrivers tested
Me too! How strong/weak are they compared to to the bigger ones? Given that they were made for precision / electronics it might require a different test setup
I have the Dremel and had no clue it would start by pushing, thanks. The normal button is placed in back but no matter how you hold it part of your hand is usually touching the button. That's how I didn't notice
Might pick up that Dremel, the push to start feature looks very handy.
Yeah I was looking at the Dremel last week. Seeing this video today is wild.
That is what I'd grab too
I love my dremel tool. Got it for $30 on a sale. The big bonus is it has a very very low torque setting that you can use to safely fasten almost any screws( I go into plastic parts all the time with m3) and then decent torque on the high end.
I’ve had the vessel for a while now and really enjoy using it when needed. If I am working on furniture I’ll use the dewalt. Anything more demanding I’ll use a larger drill or impact.
One of the nice things about the vessel is it’s not going to be too much power, but enough to get it snug then hand tighten after with lighter tasks.
IMO controlling torque is the most important thing with an electric screwdriver. It is way too easy to break/strip stuff without either a clutch or DeWalt's gyro control. I do appreciate the testing and video, but it seems like we might be measuring the wrong thing here.
Seems like using such a large nut for testing this small of a tool isnt the best way to compare
Seems like both would be best? Raw torque is still useful, particularly where you can't physically fit a drill. As for avoiding stripping screws, the dremel also seems superior there for philips/flat head due to the push to start functionality.
@@szurketaltos2693 seems like almost every driver (outside of the dollar store specials) generate enough torque for screwdriver tasks
@@JacobScherer in this case, it's not the dollar store specials that fail to generate enough torque
@@szurketaltos2693 It just seems like a lock nut that is 2X the size of the intended use case, isn't the best way to fairly showcase these products
I have been using the Dremel for years in my shop. I tend to use it tip down and activate the controls with my thumb. It's a reasonable approximation of a professional assembly tool when used that way. Also the clutch is key for use driving delicate fasteners doing electronic engineering lab work.
If you do a pistol grip please include both makita 7.2v options as they are vastly different, and 3.6v option is poor so not necessarily imho
That's the base Amazon Denali product that you're showing - it comes with only 10 bits. For Xmas my wife got me the one with 33 bits which comes in a nice plastic mold container. Love it!!
When Dong Cheng/DCK buys the Kind Dick brand, their dominance of the John Tomas tool market will be complete.
Don't forget about DP, that was a fan fav from the cheap impact wrench series.
Their only competition will be Great Neck. I'm sure they'll win and shove it down their throats though
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I came here for dong jokes
Big DCK energy.
I have the Bosch Go 2 for a year, using it with Milwaukee 75mm slim bits to tighten MCBs, gosh it's so good, love it and battery lasts pretty good, I don't regret a second for getting it and it's push to screw action is awesome
Every HVAC technician watching this video shudders as they see a 5/16 screw driven by flathead
They really ought to just stop putting the flathead slit in them.
This is true. Usually impact driver work. But when we have new tools out, they beckon us
Nice video. Nothing without a bit lock will EVER grace my tool collection again. Had enough of the bit sticking in the screw when pulling back. NO MORE. Me and my son were wanting the dewalt so a gift giving occasion came around and son bought me the dewalt. Like it a lot, including the quick change battery. Done, not buying anything else.
Love TTC group tests - would have loved to see run time capacity added to these tests - maybe, how many nyloc nuts can each one do before dying?
I got the Amazon last week and it is part of my home repair / tool kit. It is one of three electronic tools.
What, no $500 Snap On????? 🤣
What about Feistool
Probably would have a vacuum attachment😂
What about the screwdriver linus developed? Lmao
@@TheNuclearBolton Linus needs to go back to reviewing pc components at the water fountain. He’s done much more harm than good.
I've had the Hitachi (metabo now) pistol style since 2003 and it's been by far the best money I've spent, but it's the pistol/folding style. Removable batteries help it just keep going. I'd love to see those styles head to head. Always, great informative videos.
Love the Skil twist style, wish it had a tad more torque. But,,, if it doesn't have enough torque for the job, I'm using the wrong tool. I should be using my impact driver.
Me too the twist collar is my favorite overall driver design because it does allows the user to hold it naturally, and not fold your thumb back to press a button.
Talking of 'Pistol type', I've owned a Bosch IXO 3.6v for a good 5 years, and it's STILL powering through like a champ! When it eventually gives up, I'm DEFINITELY getting another... 😏👍 😎🇬🇧
The vessel uses a 13mm bit not 9mm like the rest of the world. So if you use double sided or regular Japanese bits there's little to no slop. Tone makes a adapter to go from 13mm to us 9mm bits that locks if you need to use us bits. It's not a flaw it's what they use in Japan.
1/4in bits should be 6.35mm or thereabouts.
The length of the back of the bit not thickness. Your standard bit is 9mm for everyplace besides japan. The back end of the bit for japan is 13mm so they don't go into American chucks and lock in. Hope that clarify's things for you.
Would love to see a pistol style test! I still rock my old Snap On 7.2v driver. Snap On doesn't make batteries for it anymore and "Rebuild" battery packs are getting pricey for it and they are hit or miss for quality, but the driver still runs like a champ.
We should make you a super alloy bolt and you should see how much torque it can handle! Love your channel!!!
ive been using the torqued down version of the vessel that's suppose to be able to screw in cover plates with out breaking them for over a year now and love it! Perfect for small electrical stuff or as a painter just removing cover plates fast and no damage.
Definitely want to see pistol style!!!
If you do the pistol grip, I have a DeWalt that becomes a pistol grip or straight screw driver with the replaceable battery and clutch. It came with two batteries so I can use it all day. I use it mainly to install pulls on cabinets because the clutch prevents overtighting the screws and when it's flat it's comfortable to use inside drawers.
If you test right angle screwdrivers, I would love to send my discontinued 8 V Porter Cable impact for testing. I would bet $20 it is the weakest impact driver you will ever test on this channel.
I have that Ryobi and I only use it for small electronics work, and it's low power works great for that to reduce over torquing screws. Vessel's small JIS (000 up) bits work perfect with it.
Good to see continued testing of cordless screwdrivers.
I personally use two models:
Old AEG 4935413165 (no longer available) - 2-speed planetary gear and 10-step clutch, but the 3.6V battery makes it a bit weak.
Makita DF010D (now DF012D) 2-speed planetary gear, 21-step clutch with auto stop (unique, probably patented) - very useful for precision work like laptops. The 7.2V battery makes it very powerful compared to the AEG.
The Makita is expensive, but in everyday use the 600 rpm and clutch with auto stop are invaluable for precision work with lots of small screws.
Before fully starting the video, honestly what I look for in these things as someone that uses a really low power one is 1) reliability. I use it for small electronics repair work, I need to be able to take out 50 screws per device all day. And 2) consistent LOW power, the shit I work on has terrible screws that will simply strip out or break at any real power (plastic screw holes suck). But I can't exactly do the easily 1000 + screws I get on some (bad) days by hand, I've already given myself wrist problems trying that once before. Honestly still in the market for one that's consistent low power but high speed as that'd make my life so much easier. Talking low enough that it won't strip out a plastic screw hole (good manual speed control might also work). Currently stuck doing some of those by hand and others on just timing turning the thing off half a turn before bottoming out and doing that last bit by hand as nothing I've found can leave those piece of shit screwholes intact. I hate consumer electronics so much for plastic screw holes.
Also this is another vote for the pistol style ones getting a video.
Wiha makes a driver called speede that sounds like it might be what you're looking for
I have the pistol-type Makita with the full gubbins box kit. Pretty good. Some obvious things they could do to improve it are swappable batteries and a charge light, but it's put self-tappers into my door to hold the panel up and even drilled a few holes just fine. Really could use a charge status light though, rather than listening for how fast or smooth its spinning.
I still like the Denali, which I bought 9 months ago, based upon your review. The only complaint I have is that the switch is placed in a position that confuses my thumb and brain. If I weren't cheap, I'd spring for the DeWalt. So, maybe the Vessel? Thanks for comparing these things!
Dewalt 601 Screw driver. It's the first one I grab(Depending on fastener size. IF you know, you know). The 12v extreme impact driver is nearby in the tool bag. The xr 887 is next to the 999 drill in their dedicated holders mounted in the truck when needed. Nice work as usual. I'm glad you're successful
I don't see the point of a pen style screw driver with my tidy little pistol screw driver.
Hello again, Torque Test Channel
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 Yes, I would like to see the pistol grip screwdrivers tested. My needs are it would have to work a 12 hour day removing/installing hundreds of screws in many panels. Torque and speed are needed. I enjoyed watching today's video. ☺️
I've always hated using these things because of the buttons, so the Dremel with torque settings that you can just PUSH sounds like the first I would like. Great video as always!
I use the dremel for my toolkit at work. Definitely love the mechanical clutch and push to activate. The Denali didn't really exist back when I was in the market for an electrical screwdriver and I didn't want a pistol grip one either. I think the Denali is a fantastic entry point considering it comes with a light(wish dremel did that) and some decent torque so you can definitely get use out of it.
The main thing I bought it for is to save my wrists because they go bad very quick in the day, so I want something with some power behind it so I don't need to manually twist at all in any scenario I'd use a screwdriver.
I've the Bosch (Dremel) for two to three years now. I love this thing, and it is in my Tech bag. Love it for Installing Hardware in Server Racks. Push-Drive ist awesome - and has way more torque as one might think
If it's power runs out, and you need a little more fastening power - give it a little tug by hand - as it will lock out, if overwhelmed. on the middle/lock position it also works like a normal screwdriver
one for the next roundup Wiha has one too - the speedE (or speedE Pocketdrive) - which has an model with VDE rating
Great video! I'm voting yes on the pistol style screwdriver rankings. I absolutely love this category and I use my Bosch PS22 literally every day at work.
Been using the Dremel for about a year now and I love it. With a small fleet of RC cars, the adjustable clutch is nice for small screws.
I have the Vessel, having replaced the prior version and still love it and use it almost daily. It'll never win a torque contest with much anything, but it makes up in being extremely lightweight and very comfortable to hold. If you need something fast and light at removing or reinstalling basic screws and bolts, it's really great, but it is not suited for much outside of basic application at all.
About a year ago i bought a Jackmend from Amazon, it does highly resemble the Denali and Worx model. Performance wise, well i'm still using it while mostly doing PC, Amplifiers and small electronic repairs.
Thanks for the test, could you do wireless rotary tools next?
Thinking of buying one, but can't decide since no one has done a comparative review like this
As someone who loves Milwaukee M12 tools, I struggle to find a use case for low power pistol screw drivers. They were made redundant by the advent of the 12v tool (especially the M12).
What I'd be curious to know is what other gyroscopic cordless screwdrivers exist. I've carried an Craftsman CMCF604 in my EDC bag for years, but I fear it's battery isn't going to last too much longer. I know that Dewalt has the DCF680 and DCF682, but they are quite bulky, heavy, and require an external charger.
I just got the new vessel high speed and I absolutely love it. I’m only using it for dash work for the most part so it blows through the work without trouble.
I have that DongCheng and love it. Comes in way more handy than you'd think. Especially when you have a kid who gets toys with a lot of screws for assembly
I’ve been using the Denali one since your last test and im a hvac guy so use it everyday and have to say it’s impressive and fits in the tool bad nicely
A while back, I got the Skill, in a kit, that came with bits and a case.
I knew it wasn't going to be a wrist breaking monster.
For what I got if for, electronic/electrical repairs, it works great!
But past that, it stays on the tool shelf, LOL!
For torque, I have a Bosch pistol style drill/driver, that came in a nice carrying case, that has two batteries and a quick charger.
The Bosh has been my go-to for many years, and has never failed me!
The Denali is my most used tool and it gets used frequently for HVAC/appliance repair, I love it
I have used the Bosch Go for almost a year now and it is amazing! Very durable and easy to use with plenty of torque.
For just around the house I've been using a previous model of the Vessel for years and the compact size really does make a difference. You can pick up the older models here in Japan for around $20 US, and the bits are beautifully made.
It would be really nice to see these smaller tools put up against a measurable 'delicate' task. Something like 'install 10 small brass fasteners' where the score is based on how well they did without ruining the fasteners (and maybe time to separate clean runs). Something that touches on how easy they are to use in a low torque manner. You did something like that for air hammers to address their controllability and I think something similar would be appropriate here.
Temu versus Amazon versus Harbor freight socket/wrench test. I know you guys don’t like destroying tools, but you do all this testing and ranking that really helps people who are value driven. I think you’d get a lot of new eyes from it, that might just steer some tool newbs toward this Awesome content
I just watched the old screwdriver video the other day and ordered the Denali and I can't say enough about it it's an amazing screwdriver but now you have me wanting to go buy the Dremel as well
In a situation like this, electric screw drivers are not necessarily about speed and torque. For a homeowner like myself, they're useful for removing light fixtures, door knobs, disassembling/assembling things, working on hobbies, assembling furniture etc. For me, I own the Ryobi screw driver and although not impressed with it, for the tasks mentioned, it works well. I keep it in the house with a Ryobi USB light and a set of basic tools for home repair and 3D printing and electronics/computer work. It serves its purpose. I tend to gravitate towards my Ryobi (yes, I know) drill or impact when doing any real screws or bolts.
I just bought the Skil because it came with a case and had the voltage detector built in.
It's a good home tool for doing minor electrical work.
I've had that Amazon basics thing - I bought it just before your first review came out - and I've been very happy with it.
This kind of test/comparison is the next best thing to having to buy every model and test them, yourself. Very quick and basic, but tells you everything you need to know, to make an informed decision. I like the Dewalt, but they definitely should've stuck an LED on the end - too many times I'm in a bad spot where the light isn't hitting the intended hardware and an LED is critical.
I bought the Mac a year ago. One thing it has going for it is the battery life. It lasts forever. I only use it for screws on plastic panels in buses. It is nice because it does stop instead of stripping the screw. Yes it was spendy but it does what I need.
The funny thing is, I randomly got the Dremel a few years ago because I was in the hardware store and it looked good. The push to start feature is absolutely amazing for how I use it - set the clutch to one, and I can zip screws in and out of laptops I'm servicing all day long. I don't need the torque (although it has it too), but that feature alone is worth it. (I'd actually like a thinner design in a lower-torque driver with that feature...) As it is, if it broke... I'd just get another of those (or, someone mentioned that Bosch updated their version, I'd consider that if they brought the new version to the US).
Black and decker used to make a palm driver called the gyro. It varied its output and direction by how much you physically turned it left or right up to about 1/4 turn. It was a fantastic tool. I still have mine but the battery is shot. I would love to see if anything else like that exists.
I use the Milwaukee M4 one every day at work (IT testing lab). Super handy for taking apart servers and the lowest clutch setting is very close to the correct torque spec for my CPU heatsinks, which is a nice bonus.
So this might be Interesting. I was one of the Reviewers of the First one of these things to come on Amazon. It was back in 2021 and the Unit was The MXTovel 4V Screwdriver. I really believe that this was the original design that Amazon Invested in.
The Amazon Basic one is a stripped down version of this 5 star beast. It had double the Torque at 44 Pounds vs 22 Pounds. It also had the exact shape with three LEDs for battery level and for selecting what the Torque level would be and it had the same 300RPM speed.
It included a 25pc bit set in the case and electronic braking for a fast stop.
I can easily use this thing to punch 1' to 1.5" Screws into un drilled wood.
I think the doubling of torque is achieved because this model uses Metal gears while I believe that newer version uses plastic.
I never tested the torque, but I used this particular Skil screwdriver pretty heavily as an HVACR tech before I lost it. I had no complaints. I would like to try the Bosch/Dremel, but I hate the magnetic bit holder. They are never strong enough.
I got the Denali/AmazonBasics. Was using it daily for about 2 months, then noticed it getting weaker & seeming to charge & drain out much faster. Then it stopped charging at all. Ordered a Vessel. Realized I don't care about torque for this type of screwdriving task, I can apply the torque just fine to start/stop it. I just want it to spin the long thread screws for me, which normally takes two hands to do quickly, but that means my work piece is unsupported. I mostly want it for that one purpose, so I can hold my workpiece steady while rapidly screwing/unscrewing.