Given WoW's ties with H.P. Lovecraft lore (Azeroth/Azathoth, C'thun/C'thulu, Yogg-Saron/Yoggsathoth etc) I would imagine that Alfirim, the Mad Scribe, is an adaptation of Abdul Alhazred, the Mad Arab - the author of the Necronomicon in Lovecraft's works. Especially given the similarities between Broker and Arabic culture. I wonder if we'd find any answers or foreshadowing by re-reading Lovecraft's works?
Firim's fear of the Framework not being intended to endure reminds me a bit of Khadgar's sorrow that the Titans were gone in Legion: "It explains so much, yet I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of sadness. We have been on our own all along. Our gods killed before we were born."
Is there an example of the other titans talking to someone? In game I think they use our language(I'm not sure)? Argus used "feelings"/memories to communicate, and only once corporeal did he speak to us. Magni said that Azeroth spoke to him not in words but in emotions, the same way first one automa "speak"? Is the thing "speaking" to Anduin/Thrall really Azeroth?
"Before the pattern, creation, Light, etc was all chaotic" I always saw it more as "The First Ones made the forces, but the Forces weren't how see them today. They were formless, not in balance, etc". Seems Light as it is came to be once the Pattern was drawn, same with the other Cosmic powers.
Shadowlands has such a good stories, I'm actually finishing all of the quests right now. Dragonflight has been kind of a disappointment after I've finished quite a bit of the quest chains it's just not as creative. I like a lot of things in Dragonflight but story wise shadowlands beats it hands down.
Each cosmic force feeds on the others, so there is a BALANCE of constant give and take. Ordering it disrupts that balance. But doesnt disorder balance order? Not if you Order disorder itself.
Do you think the Automa could be the base terrestrial workers or whatever you talked about in your other video where they titanforged the earthen and shit?
What if there is more to the Aesir and Vanir different types of Titans? It was speculated in your video that Sargeras was ordered chaos? He's a Vanir right? What if Eonar (also Vanir) or ordered life? What if the Aesir are the "true" titans, and the Vanir are subjugated other cosmic "lords"? Primus being subjugated Death?? 😮😮😮
Oh pyro have you read the books in the new Uldaman dungeon? It says basically that the Titans are robots/constructs that are created in the Zerath Ordus domain which is the forge for beings of order in the cosmology similar to Zerath Mortis, i dont see anyone bringing this up in any speculation videos, Zoval for example turned into his robot form after he died and also we find prototypes of the Eternal ones in Zerath Mortis
@bleachfanatic195 Considering this goober considers himself a lore master, makes weird asf theories, and compares himself to Firim, yeah nah I ain't gonna be so nice.
Given WoW's ties with H.P. Lovecraft lore (Azeroth/Azathoth, C'thun/C'thulu, Yogg-Saron/Yoggsathoth etc) I would imagine that Alfirim, the Mad Scribe, is an adaptation of Abdul Alhazred, the Mad Arab - the author of the Necronomicon in Lovecraft's works. Especially given the similarities between Broker and Arabic culture. I wonder if we'd find any answers or foreshadowing by re-reading Lovecraft's works?
Firim's fear of the Framework not being intended to endure reminds me a bit of Khadgar's sorrow that the Titans were gone in Legion:
"It explains so much, yet I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of sadness. We have been on our own all along. Our gods killed before we were born."
Aw yea, I've been waiting for the Firim in Exile coverage and subsequent speculation for... basically years. Sheesh.
oh boy 51 min video from my fav lore master. Lets goooooooooooo
TRUE!
"lore master" lol
It wasn't Firim the one who made us sack the Sepulcher of Knowledge, it was Ta'erab.
We didn't personally meet Firim until we reached Zereth Mortis.
I was waiting for you to cover this. The brokers say some wild stuff.
The Old Ones come.
see, secrets of the first ones is underrated. i love zereth mortis! best shadowlands zone
revendreth
@@sneaksies8931 Ardenweald
Maw
Revendreth was the best.
irik-tu spoke of a thousand truths, HOW DID YOU MISS THIS ONE!
Also if u visit firims cave while being dead there is a lil scary spy there
Yep, that is the Shade of Irik-tu mentioned in Firim’s writings.
I read along with you on Wowpedia, so well read Pyro thank you, very enjoyable to listen to.
Is there an example of the other titans talking to someone? In game I think they use our language(I'm not sure)? Argus used "feelings"/memories to communicate, and only once corporeal did he speak to us. Magni said that Azeroth spoke to him not in words but in emotions, the same way first one automa "speak"? Is the thing "speaking" to Anduin/Thrall really Azeroth?
"Before the pattern, creation, Light, etc was all chaotic"
I always saw it more as "The First Ones made the forces, but the Forces weren't how see them today. They were formless, not in balance, etc". Seems Light as it is came to be once the Pattern was drawn, same with the other Cosmic powers.
Shadowlands has such a good stories, I'm actually finishing all of the quests right now. Dragonflight has been kind of a disappointment after I've finished quite a bit of the quest chains it's just not as creative. I like a lot of things in Dragonflight but story wise shadowlands beats it hands down.
Have you ever noticed how pally holy power runes look like domination runes
WarcraftWiki is the more accurate up-to-date wiki to use.
Each cosmic force feeds on the others, so there is a BALANCE of constant give and take. Ordering it disrupts that balance. But doesnt disorder balance order? Not if you Order disorder itself.
I told you guys, there’s an external threat coming and our cosmos is a small closed system in a larger universe.
Do you think the Automa could be the base terrestrial workers or whatever you talked about in your other video where they titanforged the earthen and shit?
What if there is more to the Aesir and Vanir different types of Titans? It was speculated in your video that Sargeras was ordered chaos? He's a Vanir right? What if Eonar (also Vanir) or ordered life? What if the Aesir are the "true" titans, and the Vanir are subjugated other cosmic "lords"? Primus being subjugated Death?? 😮😮😮
Vanir and Aesir only apply to the Titanforged.
Pantheon is a group of titans made up of titans from each force
The Eternal Ones and Void Lords aren't Titans...
Pantheon just means the collective of gods for a religion or group.
Oh pyro have you read the books in the new Uldaman dungeon? It says basically that the Titans are robots/constructs that are created in the Zerath Ordus domain which is the forge for beings of order in the cosmology similar to Zerath Mortis, i dont see anyone bringing this up in any speculation videos, Zoval for example turned into his robot form after he died and also we find prototypes of the Eternal ones in Zerath Mortis
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Way to come to the wrong conclusion...
its speculation, it's neither right or wrong
Shrodinger’s conclusion
@@dejavureal There's speculation, and then there's "Order is the 7th force" like wot???
Way to be constructive
@bleachfanatic195 Considering this goober considers himself a lore master, makes weird asf theories, and compares himself to Firim, yeah nah I ain't gonna be so nice.
Can't express how much I missed this Pyro, during the Zerith patch 🥲