Debunking James Tour’s Latest Pathetic Series (Part 3 of 4)
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- James Tour is back at it again, folks! He didn't like my response to his ridiculous series on abiogenesis, exposing him as a complete fraud with no clue what he's talking about on this topic. After some time off to lick his wounds, he's returned with another hot pile of stylized garbage, which means it's time to show in even greater detail not just how stupid James is when he attempts to discuss this topic, but also what an unbelievably malicious liar he is. Let's go through the new series and highlight all the lies and all the stupid together, shall we?
In this Part 3 we talk about all of Jim's lies regarding Steve Benner. James can't even get his profession right, so it's off to a bad start immediately. We quickly get to the 13C-NMR spectrum that James can't read to save his life, and how his entire analysis crumbles because of it, and then we move on to some other research of Benner's that James fumbles horribly because he never learned basic geology and doesn't even understand the materials that are involved. It's really pathetic. Oh, we also explain why chiral-induced spin selectivity is not something James should ever be bringing up at all because it's irrelevant, his lies about DAP not being prebiotically relevant, and we debunk some bullshit "paradoxes" that don't mean anything. Lots of great stuff in here.
Watch Laughing Spanish Guy take a big dump on James: • Laughing Spanish Guy C...
CISS Paper: pubs.acs.org/d...
Autocatalytic Replication and Homochirality in Biopolymers: www.liebertpub...
CISS and Homochirality: www.pnas.org/d...
Benner's first paper: pubs.acs.org/d...
Benner's second paper: www.liebertpub...
Benner's third paper: www.liebertpub...
DAP paper: chemistry-euro...
Part 1 of this series: • Debunking James Tour’s...
Part 2 of this series: • Debunking James Tour’s...
Part 4 of this series: • Debunking James Tour’s...
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Debunking Tour's first series Part 1: • Response to James Tour...
Debunking Tour's first series Part 2: • Response to James Tour...
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Part 1: Here is irrefutable proof that James Tour is a lying fraud. Parts 2-4: In case that wasn't enough, here's more of that.
We needed the full TOUR of his content, We couldnt just pull apart half it.
Apparently it isn’t enough for some people though
dont worry, james will find a way to ignore everything that disproves him
@@XParasiteOctoling These people are barely smart enough to read, in some cases no amount of content will convince them.
LMAO!!
27:00 James Tour is only a couple of steps away from unironically saying "spectroscopy needs to be in a container"
"Peptides can't form in water" is just as detached from reality. Different strokes, same idiocy :D
"spectroscopy needs to be in a container because flerfspective". It is always flerfspective.
Ah- ha ha! I got that reference, lol.
i dont get it
@New Western Front Dave did a debate with a flerfer, and one of them brought up spectroscopy, which is the study and measurement of the electromagnetic spectrum. The flerfer clearly not knowing wtf he was talking about objected to the method of one example by saying, "spectroscopy needs to be in a container!" That makes no sense! Wtaf?! Lol. Anyway, it's kind of a meme among the crowd who heard the debate.
I realized, when James was showing that spectra analysis and going "If you're a synthetic chemist, you'll laugh" that... dude's desperate to be respected, huh. He's pretending that his flock are all just like him, professional scientists who think the same way he does, instead of anti-science zealots who want to strip funding from schools and universities. It's why he gets so *mad* when people criticize him from the angle Dave's been, attacking his competence and ability to read papers, because it hits him right in the sorest spot he's got; the fact that he's thrown away all his credibility to give talks at megachurches.
Your followers aren't your people, James. They don't know what you're saying. They're not synthetic chemists, nor are they any type of professional scientist at all. They're looking for any reason to justify their distrust of education and their desire to use political power to influence the direction research takes. You're never going to gain credibility with them, man. Stop.
And beyond everything you just said, very accurately, his analysis is WRONG! Can you believe this fucking clown?
@@ProfessorDaveExplains I mean, it's gotta be! He can't come to an accurate conclusion because the accurate one invalidates something he's absorbed too tightly, that people doing Origin of Life research are all jokes and clowns and don't know anything. I think that's why he ignores the obvious things that he does. If researchers used glass with magnesium for the very reason he thinks they washed it, his understanding of their competence is wrong. If they really did get Ribose the way they said they did, they're making real concrete progress in understanding the mechanisms behind the origin of life. So instead, none of that happened. Our capability for self-delusion is never to be underestimated, after all.
I hope these are cathartic for you. I get the feeling you're the kind of guy who likes this sort of shit, rather than gets exhausted by it. Your trajectory from making a short video about how the flat earth lacks explanatory power to a personal back and forth with a dark-money funded evangelical political outlet has gotta be fuckin' weird to think about. They're all the same guy, too! Every step along the way has been the same smug prick who thinks that he's just managed to out-think entire disciplines and that nobody has ever considered the things his magnificent brain has. They've puffed their heads full of hot air.
@Nothingseen that's his prerogative, though. You say his followers don't understand this. I'm no scientist, and some stuff may go over my head, but I can grasp the concept of the sciences Dave's presenting and clearly demonstrated contradictions. For me, I can use this piece of information in my personal life to make certain decisions on who to believe and what to be weary about when it comes to accurate information on topics I'm trying to understand. But overall, the point is that this is Dave's channel. Try as much as you want, but Dave's gotta do what Dave's gotta do.
Well said. The first time I was referred to Dr. Tour a few years ago, he was being presented as this uber smart chemist who disproves abiogenesis.
The multiple people telling me to watch Tour were all low teir, antiscience, Christians.
It's good Dave exposes this fool, and has the citations, and know-how to show exactly where Tour is lying.
@@Zikiru Name a contradiction Dave presented
As a lab spectroscopist, I am shocked by the temerity of James' assessment of that NMR spectrum. The inability to understand the concepts of S/N ratios and equilibriation effects would instantly lead me to question how he even got his diploma in organic chemistry.
@James The Nefarious i wrote mine by hand. much cheaper that way and equally valid
@@galileog8945 You were the same person from James Tour video.
I paused the video and just finished watching the rest and holy crap he can't even tell between scrupulous glassware cleaning and the actual synthetic method. And this guy is a Ph.D in my field. Effing unreal.
@@mikotagayuna8494 Who cares? His flock drinks his piss as though it were champagne and praises the Lord...
i wonder if you can report james to the scientific community and get his degree taken away...
As a chemist with a PhD in physical chemistry, I just gotta hand it to you Dave, you've nailed all the same points I've tried to make to Tour's cult. We know his cult won't listen, but hopefully this gets through to those sitting in the middle of the debate.
My biggest complaint about Tour's rhetoric (apart from the clear lies and dishonesty) is his insane criteria for OoL researchers. He has set up his rhetoric such that he can never lose (to the eyes of his scientifically illiterate cult). He can always point to one of two things:
a) Dirty NMR
b) Relay synthesis / purchasing reagents / doing chemistry in pure solutions / purification or isolation of intermediates
He expects OoL researchers to do both--use crude mixtures at each step, and get clean NMR. He knows an organic chemist cannot achieve both in virtually all cases relevant to OoL. So he can almost always point to either of these, and then just pretend the rest of the paper is bunk.
I understand: that's an elaborated way of moving the goal posts.
-- I have a PhD too, but I am not nearly as well rounded as PD!! See what I did there? He can talk about quite a few areas!!
Well go on prove Tour wrong, have a discussion with him on video. Don’t talk in a TH-cam comment section. Let’s see you do it. I’d love to see you get destroyed.
@@cmathias4993 Tour is doing a fine job proving himself wrong by just opening his mouth. And Dave is handling it fine. You're just too scientifically illiterate to know better, and you blindly believe everything he says because he uses words you don't understand that confirm your bias.
@@cmathias4993 Uhm, it's already done here, you see? But logic and reason does not seem to be qualities of yours.
Jimmy Tour: "Your honor I object!!"
Steve Benner: "On what grounds?!"
Jimmy Tour: "It's devastating to my case!!"
@ProfessorDaveExplain94 OH MY GOD
@@patinthechat6452 What happened? I don't see any other comment.
@@blakksheep736 I think I was responding to a spam bot. I like to mess with them.
@@patinthechat6452 I see.
PD is so smart with these. He much prefers pure educational videos over debunks, but debunks tend to bring more views. By breaking debunks up and releasing educational videos in between, he gets the best of both worlds and increases overall viewership.
Actually it is like schools work (not necessarily how universities do). Good teachers break down if something was misunderstood and correct it, not necessarily to humiliate a student in front of a class (if he/she was not intentionally lying like James does a lot of times) but to avoid common traps in understanding and miscommunication. The videos here have a double function: To recognize dishonest strategies by ID/creationists and to teach just as byproduct steps of abiogenesis and active research results.
In the debunks Dave shows some misunderstandings that could arise, while teaching the real deal. Debunk videos about flatearth, creationism etc. are also a basic way to teach where laypeople get deceived into. James for example at 39 minutes here yet again actively confuses already evolved endosymbiotic cells (billion years younger in age) with rna world structures. He himself does so out of being nefarious for an religious agenda BUT that is the basic thing: Believing Laypeople really wish to have a supersimplified view and authorities to comfort them in their false ideas that a whole complicated modern cell or even a complete lizard is slithering out of a puddle...so that they could in their mind dismiss uncomfortable facts (for their faith) and James is trying to sell on that. Like some laypeople in the globedenial influence sphere wish for solely emotional reasons that we ain't on a spinning ball rushing through the endless vaste of space without a driver in charge, but that they would be in the center of a pencake earth that is hold in 2 hands of a deity to guide and move them to a specific goal.
It is important to show that the supposed authorities are charlatans, that the people have to be less sentimental and emotional and that they must engage in learning a lot of stuff to have a more proper view about these topics.
@@Angelmou w22wwy
@@Angelmou tl:dr
I was honestly just thinking about this and I figured he should make another channel called professor dave debunks. It honestly is a bit odd to have both educational and videos like these on same channel.. I also think it'd be better for him monetarily.
I've honestly learnt a lot from the debunks too
I’m a high school dropout with a degree in reading comic books, and even I’m more qualified than Tour for the simple fact that I’m willing to honestly look up the work of real experts.
I need to know which university gave you that degree, I need to get one myself.
@@peterholmes7440 MCU.
@@heiyuall Ah, so Marymount California University!
@@heiyuall DCEU*
@Achyuth Thouta
Does the Wayne foundation give out scholarships?
The fear must be horrific for poor James. Last episode he demanded the multidisciplinary field of abiogenesis be stopped completely. In this episode he actually threatens other researchers with both verbal and professional attacks if they dare do what he doesn't want. That's pure fear folks.
No, there's malice + vanity + greed mixed in. Put that in the fear + you get Tour's trembling rage.
Ehhh.
Fits right in with the Wedge document plans to control what you can learn.
Well, as one wise green man once said, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.", and the hate seems pretty obvious to me by this point. The suffering? That remains to be seen.
He just wants god to exist so badly, I doubt he's aware of how much it shows.
Here’s what I don’t quite get: James Tour is an expert in his field. As a doctoral student (not in anything related to abiogenesis), I would NEVER challenge anyone outside my EXTREMELY specific, limited expertise-even if they didn’t hold a doctoral degree. There are plenty of people with masters degrees who are way smarter in specific subject areas than I am. This idea is so essential, it’s practically impossible to get through a school without understanding this concept. Why does Tour think he’s able to speak outside his expertise so liberally?
Take a wild guess.
Some might say abiogenesis is impossible too, yet it happened
@@ProfessorDaveExplains that’s fair. I should have been more clearly rhetorical.
@@jsink964 i think he knows exactly whats happening, but he prefers lying to himself because of jesus. some people just arent able to drop something they were indoctrinated with in the childhood. and imagine how ridiculous would be for james to admit that he is wrong. he loses all of his following, because they want blissful affirmation and therefore his income is zero, di drops him, calls him a heretic and a spy or sth. above all that, imagine what james would think about himself and thats what creationists, flatearthers and others face when challenged. fear, that they have been wrong. fear so severe that they always choose denial.
I like when people that disagree with experts pretend the experts are somehow agreeing with them
Much like flat earthers like Witless.
@@freddan6fly beat me to it lol
i agree, i like that too
@@professionalschizo or they quote niel degrasse Tyson then ignore everything else he says
@@freddan6fly I love that he's disproving relativity by saying Einstein agrees with him lol
I genuinely appreciate you, prof. I was homeschooled, and learned this same "Hovindian" garbage at a very young age. Although I don't blame my parents for their ignorance (they did what they thought was right), liars like Tour deserve every bit of criticism they get from people like you. Thanks again; it honestly means a lot.
I think one of the most disgusting things about James is that he is lying through his teeth with pictures of his family in the background. What kind of integrity has he taught his children? Hopefully, they don't follow in his footsteps. He is literally putting his lack of integrity on stage front and center for his family. I wonder when he's going to realize this.
That's what lying Christians always do. Look at me with my beautiful family! How could such a standup guy possibly be a disgusting lying fraud?! The more they push that image the more you can be certain that they're completely full of shit.
Self-Righteousness is always like this. If you watch Tour when he goes onto various PR channels that he frequents (he's got another one out today) he sneers and derides anyone critical of him in classic narcissistic tone. Same behavior they all have psychologically.
@@davidbutler1857 "they just ignore me" he says. Wishful thinking in this case.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains
Hey Dave please read this comment
A few days ago an earthquake happened where I live and there is a man named frank hoogerbeets claims that he predicted the earthquake using the position of the planets in the solar system .
I know it's wrong
Can you debunk it ????
So many people believed him and now he is scaring people with new predictions
@@sameehali7045 Did he actually predict the earthquake before it happened? (even then it could just be coincidence) Or is he just claiming now, after it happened, that he predicted it?
"A narcissist’s criticism is their autobiography." ― M. Wakefield
I don't know how US institutions of higher learning work, but at this point, hasn't Tour's behaviour become an issue for the ethics board at Rice? His virulent dishonesty and rampant slander must surely be impacting the university negatively.
I'm really at a loss to figure out what triggers an university from making a statement at this point. I'd have to check the history but it seems like LeHigh made a statement about Behe pretty quickly on his stance with intelligent design. I'd like something more than a statement for Tour but at this point I can't figure out why they haven't even done that yet. Maybe someone else who knows the Behe history better can comment.
The U.S. has a tenure system. Once a professor goes through a rigorous vetting process, it becomes nearly impossible to fire a person without them breaking serious crimes. The original point of the system is to prevent firing somebody over unpopular political views, or controversial series. For example, in the U.S. the racist political party wants to ban history of African Americans. Recently the University of North Carolina hired a Pulitzer Prize winner for a tenure-track professor position. She was interested in doing a major history project on the slave industry in the United States. The racists wanted to censor this, so they forced the University to fire her before she was awarded her tenureship, and it would have been much more controversial to fire her.
Now the downside of the tenure system is that ever know and then some jerk like Tour will abuse it. The moment they get tenure they'll stop doing research. Or do the bare minimum teaching. And just do enough to collect their check each month and retire with their pensions. In some cases they'll even start selling snake oil using their university credentials to con gullible people, like Tour is doing. And the University knows this but can't really do anything about it, without harming their own tenure system and the decent professors who benefit from it.
@@stevestadler This is a good example of Tour scamming a gullible chump, just like I said, thank you.
"that doesn’t involve a lab "
But you also simultaneously want it to be recreated in a lab, remember? Tour's got you tied up in a pretzel so bad you can't even remember which way is up.
Stevie, you're fucking stupid. Stop pretending otherwise.
@@stevestadler No, Steve. You're asking scientists to reproduce it in a lab, in a controlled environment. If we did it outside, you'd just claim that God did it, and regular life got inside. You'd just move the goal posts.
All you ever do is lie, Steve. Even though the Bible tells you not to.
With every day that passed without this being posted, I was beginning to fear that Dr. Tour had reached out to Dave and said, "OK Dave, you win. I won't talk about abiogenesis research anymore if you don't publish those last two parts." Which, I guess, would be a win for the science community as a whole, but it would be a huge loss for our entertainment value. And with that, I eagerly hit "Play."
It's not a matter of winning to them. It's just preaching and believing. The science doesn't really matter to them, except to distort and misrepresent in whatever way that provides them with some perceived flaw in the science. They need a gospel, a source of inerrant truth. Folks like Tour simply have to poke imaginary holes in science, or point out science does not understand something, plausibly demonstrating to them science cannot be an inerrant source of truth. And to them, simple testimony is credible evidence, just like the Bible is credible. Testimony is more credible than scientific evidence. They believe in apostles and prophets, and they believe the word of god. Tour's testimony as a godly man is always going to outweigh scientific evidence in their minds.
This made me smile but also wonder. I concluded Dave would NEVER. I'm responding lightheartedly, I don't know him, but running the thought experiment, I couldn't find the conditions that would make Dave walk away from finishing the job.
Not of destroying Tour, but his arguments. Best Tour'd get after what he's pulled is Dave insisting on recording a detailed apology that allows zero face-saving for James --- so not only would JT have to say sorry while explaining his motivations/reasons in detail + correcting his record for each specific point he misled/doubled down on, but also I doubt Dave would accept anything less than a sincere grovelling heartfelt apology to each of the OoL-professionals JT maligned.
But it was a fun thought experiment & I loved it, so thanks! If anyone thinks of the contrition conditions that'd save Tour from Part 4 please let us know!
Dear Dave, you simply cannot understand how many people notice the mario and luigi. And we all congratulate you for not removing them
What
where is it i must see it
@@Owen_013 his upper arm area on the inside
I find it way too entertaining watching people make fun of manipulative people saying stupid things
James is not stupid. He is just doing what all biblical apologists do: obfuscating the truth in order to bolster his religious beliefs.
He's also kind of stupid though.
25:18 "I would not let a STUDENT of mine do that." KABAAM! Shots fired 🤣
Hello, Dave,
This is a great debunking series. I think it is clear that what motivates James Tour and others like him is to find a way to discredit the vast amount of good science pertaining to the origin of life on Earth and life in general is to prove that the Christian Bible is inerrant, even the first words of Genesis (I'll explain the reasons below). Life is a chemical process and the chemistry behind life is very complicated, so it is easy for mountebanks and frauds to use the layperson's lack of knowledge to use references and language that seeks to confuse the person into thinking that the chemistry of life is so complicated that only a Maker is able to put it together, which is to say that the frauds engage in a question-begging fallacy.
I am a practicing Catholic and I can tell you that I believe many Catholics and many other Christians (with a few exceptions, like Behe) don't believe the Bible is a scientific book nor that it was intended to be a science book. Most of us Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, etc.) don't believe that one error in the Bible means the whole Bible is wrong; that's a fundamentalist position which most of us Christians do not take, but for historical reasons, seems prevalent among many Christians in the U.S. The reason why fundamentalist Christians believe the Bible is true in every word is because they believe God wrote the Bible himself (it is the true word of God) and that a single word deemed incorrect would mean the Salvation story could also be a lie or is incorrect or inaccurate. If there is any doubt that the Genesis story is all true, then the whole edifice crumbles in itself. This is, of course, fallacious thinking. Nevertheless, this is what shapes their worldview, including science, in that if they can point out to a single error or inaccuracy (even when an error can be the result of their own confusion which stems from their own scientific illiteracy) they think the whole edifice will also crumble into itself, as if science was this monolithic body that can be knocked down by a single well-placed hit, instead of a collection of knowledge on nature and the universe based on observation, experience, experimentation and induction.
Sometimes science
is also a collection of errors, not only of knowledge.
On Genesis I remember John Lennox’ talk about metaphors, it could help to adjust the question of every single word being true in the understanding of Christians who believe God himself said every single word of the scripture. They do have a more sophisticated view on the subject as one might assume at first sight.
25:45 This is one thing that got me about Tour when I first saw it. How can he know that anyone who supports Farina is automatically wrong and/or has something that Tour can refute? This is just a wild mafia-style promise to go after someone's entire family. It's unhinged, unprofessional, and wrong.
It reveals his mindset too. He really believes he's such a big shot in the community that his criticism alone could make someone lose even the slightest bit of credibility.
That C13 NMR he ranted about made me so irritated when I watched that video a couple weeks ago (when he released it). The amount of dishonesty you have to have to intentionally crop the figure to hide the part of the figure that describes the peaks... And what's worse is that he also cropped the caption. He cropped the figure to fit his own made up narrative, so it would be easier to attack that made up narrative... I pointed that out to his cult, but they didn't care.
His cult members are simply looking for something with supposed authority that will confirm their existing beliefs. It's simple confirmation bias.
It's honestly not worth discussing it with them. They have already made up their minds and have no capacity to understand OOL chemistry.
@@Paulo-py4mm Yup. They just want to circle jerk each other and sniff Tours chair when he stands up
My biggest question to James Tour is the same question I tend to ask flerfs: Why would we want to trade something that works for nothing that doesn't?
Cause 'goddunit'.
Neither group are equipped to answer that question.
His interpretation of the NMR spectrum showed me that he is a bad chemist who does not really understand spectroscopy. So I'm laughing at him.
Wake up, Dave has just uploaded his next debunk video. LET'S GO
Dave it gets even better. Of all people Jack Szostak has shown that Ribozymes can retain their function even with a mix of randomly distributed 3' and 2' linked ribose in the backbone. See the paper Engelhart, Powner, and Szostak 2013: Functional RNAs exhibit tolerance for non-heritable 2'-5' versus 3'-5' backbone heterogeneity
"I believe every word of the Bible is true"
- James Tour in a recent podcast interview.
Yeah for talking snake and donkey and that leprosy isn't a germ infection, but a curse or evil spirit posession you can cleanse by 7 sprinkles of birdblood or exorcism.
According to legend he has a talking burning bush in his garden next to the talking snake, just behind the ant hill of four legged ants.
@@freddan6fly is that next to the fence he uses for breeding zebras from donkeys?
@@Forest_Fifer Darn, you got to the striped wood before me >:(
Danke!
Dave your honesty about your knowledge (and the amount of knowledge you have itself) inspires me to keep studying hard, thank you!
James et al still think "selected for" means "chosen by an agent with a goal" instead of "self duplicated more successfully than others "
I don't know much about biology or chemistry but I know a bit about statistics and what I can say is that a low amount of knowledge in this field which is just a small part of what is required is enough to understand why evolution and abiogenesis are possible. In fact the evolutionary mechanisms have been used before in computer science in something called the "genetic algorithm" which works by prioritizing those formations with a better score and thus achieving after some time the thing which we were looking for.
Tour is no doubt working feverishly on a new 20-part debunk of a debunk series called 'my dad's bigger than yours'
totally unrelated but worth mentioning: that clip (19:00) with the "toothless" guy (Juan Borja a.k.a. "el risitas") is from an old Spanish (Andalucia region) TV talk show called "El Vagamundo" (The Wanderer). The other guy is the late journalist Jesús Quintero. Trust me when I tell you: they don't make talk shows like that anymore. Mr Quintero was a hell of a journalist and an enormous human being. The show was all about him interviewing the most amazing characters, from flamenco stars to real everyday people like "el risitas". I used to cry a lot when I watched the show. Either because of Mr Quintero's monologues/reflections or due to incontrollable laughter from the jokes and situations by his rather unusual guests.
It just hurts, watching something I loved dearly as a youngster being misused as a cheap meme by a rather petty, obnoxious, insufferable, bat shit crazy religious douche bag.
this guy knows a lot about the science stuff
and damn does he ever explain.
Tour's complaint about what noise is on Benner's chart is so fucking stupid. Anyone who has ever taken a look at a wavechart ought to be able to tell that he's lying through his gritted teeth.
It's always noise. It's always fluctuations.
It isn't the specific thing you want it to be just because the lines get really tall and pointy sometimes.
Lol @ "lying through his gritted teeth"
Thats a very appropriate way to describe him!
James Tour is incredibly smooth. Smooth-brained , that is! Notice the space-comma in honor of his staggering disinformation.
the only cell he needs is a 5'x5' in a state peniteniary.
or, he pleads insanity, still gets the same sized cell in an asylum.
I don't think that Tour bends over backwards to stay ignorant... he does it with perfect ease!
James is obviously furious. He's used to having clueless people to answer questions for. In these cases throwing out complicated sounding words may trick them into thinking he knows what he's talking about. But this time there's pushback from somebody that actually knows what he's talking about, with direct sources.
Keep it up. This is just hilarious.
"Honey, wake up, Professor Dave posted part 3"
This is murder. James Tour is dead. Even the Spanish guy has decided he is toast. I can hardly wait to see what Dave will do in part 4. Dissolve the corpse in acid?
@James The Nefarious HF works...
@@galileog8945 actually, while HF is extremely corrosive and poisonous, a hot mixture of sulphuric acid and hydrogen peroxide (also known as pirhana solution) works much better for dissolving organic material.
Nah this is to funny 🤣
James has shown himself to be an insecure bully
In truth, all bullying comes from insecurity to some degree. I'm no psychologist but his behavior screams that he's insecure imo.
Much respect, and added credibility, to Dave for saying bald faced lie, not bold faced lie.
A Tour de Farce of science denialism wonderfully destroyed by Dave once again.
I only just learned that Tour is a professor at a Uni local to me. A uni I'm considering applying to. Fortunately he wouldn't be someone I'd have to interact with. Still, it's troubling that a place as respected as Rice would employ the equivalent of a flat earther in the biochem world.
To quote a timeless line from Spongebob: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man!?"
Thank you Dave for this yeoman service. One of the saddest aspects of the intellectual dishonesty disseminated by the “Discovery Institute” is their successful infestation of some institutions that previously engaged in rigorous, serious and honest - if sometimes controversial - confrontation with important ideas and issues. A specific example of this is “Uncommon Knowledge” hosted by Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Peter Robinson and “Uncommon Knowledge” earlier earned my respect, if not always my agreement, by engaging with intellectual heavyweights such as Thomas Sowell, Stephen Kotkin, Robert Service … and the late (and much missed) Christopher Hitchens. Most recently, however, the rank pseudoscience of the likes of the Discovery Institute’s Stephen Meyer and Michael Behe are being hosted on Uncommon Knowledge … without even the slightest critical pushback. What an insult to the honest and genuine thinkers who appeared and presented their cases in earlier times!
Dave, do you have any suggestions about how to help Peter Robinson “snap out of it”? Or does artfully packaged pseudoscience poison minds forever?
Thanks, and keep up the excellent work.
Unfortunately, delicately navigating someone's psyche to unbrainwash them is not my forte. I just demolish pseudoscience and let the rubble fall where it falls. But that blog is hot garbage and that guy should be ashamed of himself.
@Peter J. Agreed, hence the emphasis on carefully choosing the time and the nature of the humorous interjection.
Is James *really* incompetent? Since he works for DI, the simpler answer is that he is intentionally deceptive. That's his *job.*
He's a delusional narcissist so he thinks he automatically understands science way outside of his expertise, so he talks out of his ass and ends up saying really stupid things.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains So... intentionally deceptive.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains My point is that even if he knows what he's talking about, as you pointed out, his target audience *doesn't.* Talking out his ass isn't a problem with the people he's actually talking to.
@@jursamaj Oh without a doubt. But it always comes back to bite him in the ass! I make sure of it.
19:00 every time Tour does that, please play a clip of him getting an aneurysm "HOW, HOW! SHOW ME THE CHEMISTRY! YOU HAVE A REFERENCE ON THAT!?"
You're killing me with these Dunning Kruger diagrams. "How Jobs Work!"
i wager there is a permanent imprint of a cross on Tour's hand from him clutching it so freaking hard.
I Would not be surprised
I expect there is a permanent imprint on his *** from the spanking he received in this video.
First debunk "he has an enhanced capacity to understand compared to a lay person "
This debunk " a literally child can read papers as well as him "
im a chemist and this is absolutely hilarious. Dude doesnt even know about isotope effects in NMR
Watching these makes me realise even though I went to all my science classes in High School very stoned and with undiagnosed ADHD. I may actually have a better grasp of interdisciplinary science than James.
Same honestly, I didn't pay much attention in my science classes in highschool but somehow I can grasp this stuff better than James Tour does, like understanding autocatalysis at least conceptually.
My personal bet? He does actually understand these things, he's just lying because it doesn't help his case.
@kerbehklobbah5790 I think, on reflection, he understands them as well but for whatever reason is choosing not to for the DI be it indirectly money through appearance fees at a later stage, fame/infamy or to push an agenda.
Probably has a "brief" whereby he has to speak ONLY as an Organic Chemist ignoring anything else and to jump on things which can at first glance appear strange without digging - knowing the audience will not dig any further into this.
Without knowing what an Organic Chemist is, to a layman it can appear that it is an 'all encompassing natural' chemistry like the impression you think of when you hear 'organic' food. If it's natural its 'organic' if that makes sense?
All he does is provide stupid arguments from authority potentially to those who watch his videos.
Dave may not have a Doctorate but I dare say he is a "People's Professor".
The maliciousness of some of these clips 'dunking' on other scientists without receipts... Not only is it an informational red flag... It just seems counter to what they project as values. JT's viewers accept this behavior?
#GottaLieforJeebus! They don't care, as long as they own the (libs) atheists.
I just picture: James sits in his home office, rambling nonsense, screaming into the camera, while his family has to endure that. What a sad, pathetic existence.
It was taking so long to get this next part that I was afraid that the theists somehow GOT to Professor Dave!!! 😱
Yeah I was trying everything I could to keep that Laughing Spanish Guy meme in there because it's so freaking funny. Nothing worked so I had to accept that I had to remove it. It broke my heart.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains OMG! That laughing Spanish guy thing is copywritten??? It seems the few seconds of video would be fair use. 😭
Yeah it's the TV network. Oh well, the science is more important. And everyone can still watch the clip separately.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains It's great
It's not about theists vs atheists
The essence of being a scientist is humility and it’s clear that James isn’t humble.
Curiosity is also needed. James "curiosity" is limited to how to get the answer 'goddunit' from a question.
The other thing that James is lacking is acknowledging when you are talking about fields outside of your field of expertise and by actually stating that I'm not an expert is such and such field.
When my husband is talking to me (BSc in Psychology with a minor in Biochemistry, BSc & MSc in Computer Science and PhD's in Computer Science and Engineering) about chemistry (He has a BSc in Chemistry and a PhD in Theoretical Chemistry - specifically Electron Correlation) and it is outside of his field of expertise he always prefaces what he is about to say with "I'm not an expert in this field BUT .."
I don't think that humility is the essence of being a scientists. I've seen a LOT of great scientists who were NOT humble.
And obviously the willingness to find out that your wrong. You really need to be fine with admitting mistakes. Otherwise you're never going to be a good scientist. Your ego will be in the way.
@@jquest99 Yes, it's definitely not humility. I would say instead that scrupulous objectivity (evidence-orientation) is the essence. Sometimes that requires humility to admit that one's assumptions should be immediately deposed given new evidence. But it's definitely not the primary characteristic of a good scientist.
A creationist apologetic lying? Colour me surprised.
Hey Dave, I haven't looked for myself, but have they tried to do some panic-fueled responses to parts 1 and 2 yet?
Silence. He hasn't even finished releasing the series. Part 9 has been delayed indefinitely. They are probably having emergency meetings and shitting their pants.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains it really is a beautiful thing
@@ProfessorDaveExplains I'm curious- I suspect Part 9 will have a sharp change in tone, focusing instead on your tone, use of "mean-spirited" language, etc. You know "look at the big mean science bully..who drinks *_lemmonnaaddeee!"_*
So my curiosity: Got anything fun lined up if they play the squishy-eyed victim card?
That's the thing, they shot themselves in the foot with that because they were such insulting derisive infantile douchebags for their entire series. I literally use their own memes back at them. They have zero recourse. I don't care what they do, I've got part 4 and James is a skeleton.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains #LaughingSpanishManPart4
We can't wait to see the beatdown :D
"The truth will always stand up against false accusations and misinformation." - Prof David
I came to this playlist to learn why people think the Earth is flat. I have learned so many words since that first video. I am much more sciency😊 Thank you, Professor Dave
James Tour, I hope you're reading this. I hope that you comment on at least one of these response videos. Can't wait to hear your response.
He would never show his dumb face in the lion's den.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains I suppose he's still smarter than David Weiss or Kent Hovind.
@@leobriccocola8141 "I suppose he's still smarter than David Weiss or Kent Hovind." - marginally. He is so deep down in derp lies he is howling to the stupidity of Kent and David at almost lightspeed.
Of all the gold in this Tour series, my favorite little thing so far might be the thumbnail for this one: Tour's awkward squint and slight grimace make it look like he's trying to appear to be a confident scientist but he just got a whiff of his own bullshit. Well chosen thumbnail, Dave, well chosen.
i've been reading a lot about spin recently and now i'm going down a big rabbit hole looking up CISS, guess i don't really have to sleep tonight. Upside of James' crap is he's giving you a reason to show us lots of cool stuff
Your spin seems unhealthy. I know a good spin doctor...
RIP El Risitas. You deserved better than to have your hilarious anecdote about losing 19 of 20 paelleras to the tide get used by a charlatan like James Tour.
Love what you're doing Dave, keep it up. Here's the statement that in my view encapsulates best what is happening here:
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." Bill Murray
25:38 maybe James will consult DIRTH (David Weiss) and then tell you that spectroscopy "needs to be in a container"
With my Okay-ish knowledge of Biochemistry and small knowledge on organic chemistry, most of the synthetic chemistry flies usually over my head, your explanations while debunking james tour and all the other DI-proponents gives me a little crash course again. So thank you for that.
James Tour kind of reminds me of a more sophisticated (yet equally as obnoxious and deceptive) version of Kent Hovind.
Kent: "Oh, you think we all came from a rock? You think the universe exploded from a dot? LOLOL"
James: "Oh, you think a tornado can assemble a car? You think hay can turn into gold? LOLOL"
Dave, what's the ETA for part 4?
Thursday
Tour's lucky his faith's H-E-double-hockey-sticks doesn't exist, bc if his mendacity didn't consign him there, his envy, vanity, hard-heartedness, greed, judgemental lack of Christian charity + forgiveness, pride, etc would get him there, too.
James: I think...
Dave: I'm 'bout to ruin this man's whole career....
Another amazing video from Dave, hucksters like Tour need to be called out and broken down so no one believes their idiocy.
*Christopher Lee voice*
"I've been looking forward to this."
@Professor Dave Explains Among subjects that Dr. James Tour does not understand you might want to include Soft Tissue from Dinosaur fossils. From a video titled "James Tour Confidently Preaches Dino Blood Error: Hemoglobin Challenge #4" on Joel Duff's channel.
Wait for part 4!
@James The Nefarious I had one of those steaks!! Prepared with extra salt!! 😂🤣
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Impatiently waiting for Part 4.
@James The Nefarious I'm doubting your claim on medium rare steaks straight from the rocks - I might buy it if you told me those steaks were charred to a crisp.
So you can add geologists and palentogists to the list of the corrupted fields of science according to James.
Honestly, this is the part that James Tour should be most embarrassed about. Some of this stuff is so easy to debunk that a high-schooler could probably do it because it’s literally right there in plain English. This is messy ribose? No, the caption clearly states that it’s ribose-borate, so why would it have an identical signal to ribose? Why is he washing away the magnesium that could possibly affect the RNA synthesis? Well, the glass contains magnesium, and no one expects that you could wash away magnesium within the glass; also, the paper explicitly states that it’s about seeing how the presence of magnesium affects RNA synthesis in plain English. Like, this is stuff that James should know, especially given that he is a synthetic organic chemist (surely he should know ribose and ribose-borate aren’t the same thing, that the glass used contains magnesium, and that the paper cited is all about RNA synthesis in the presence of magnesium), but he just doesn’t.
There are so many other issues that a relative layperson like myself could see. Why is he talking about DNA and transcription when we’re looking at the RNA world hypothesis which-as the name suggests-had no DNA or transcription? The whole point of science is to test one thing at a time, so why should the entire thing be done prebioticly in one experiment? Why are we talking about what would destroy or debilitate life when life doesn’t exist yet? Why cite the earliest paper about the synthesis of something and nothing else to say that there is no way to synthesize something prebioticly, particularly when you would expect the earliest synthesis to not be prebioticly relevant?
Even if he’s just pretending to be ignorant, this kinda stuff would make people less likely to believe him even on stuff he does know about. Unless you are ideologically motivated or lazy, this is really easy stuff to notice as problematic for him.
Like, there are actual gaps in our understanding of origin of life, but James is particularly bad at pointing the real ones out, instead focusing on stuff that aren’t actually problems, either because they aren’t relevant or because they have already been solved. I think he pointed out only one thing that is actually an unknown in this field, which is just sad for someone pretending to be an expert debunking an entire field.
The debunks made by Prof. Dave preps me from people who flex that creationist have scientist on their side as well
Dave I saw this video and you really were right. You showed that another qualified researcher had a very different interpretation of the 13NMR spectrum and it was noise and not a billion compounds. Dr James Tour seems to not agree with prominent scientists on quite a few of things.
Watch James rant about another of "Daves experts" next ...
These "debunking" series are so satisfying! Thanks, Professor Dave!
"a facade of diligence enabling malignant narcissism" is so good I'm using that 😂
It's my new linkedin summary.
Hahahaha Hovind's channel taken down due to community voilations
Rejoice!
@@ProfessorDaveExplains another will sprout up in its place. and all the idiots will resub.
@@Slava_Ukraini1991 Nah most of those subs were people who don't even watch the content. He'll get 10% of what he had tops. And probably get it deleted again.
Also his Dino Land channel where he "explained why he was innocent" was taken down.
PRAISE THE LAWD!
Y'know, the most hilarious thing to me is that even from a Christian perspective his logic doesn't even make sense, the Bible doesn't contradict the idea of abiogenesis because stories like Genesis were never meant to be taken literally.
I asked a Catholic friend of mine how he felt on this matter, and here's the gist of what he had to say; "The theological consensus on this has been pretty clear since the medieval age, when scripture and the universe conflict, the universe takes priority because the universe is a primary source on God while the Bible is merely inspired by God. If scriptures and the universe conflict, we must have misinterpreted something, human interpretation is not infallible after all, and God wouldn't make a holy book that directly contradicts his own creation.", I don't think there's anywhere honestly that James Tour has a leg to stand on, his arguments fall apart from both a scientific and philosophical standpoint.
I'm convinced at this point that getting slapped on a theological basis would be the only way to get James Tour to stop his infantile tirade of science denial, his religious beliefs clearly inform his thoughts more than his observations do, which is why the only way he'd listen if it's a Christian argument.
Well you know those Catholics aren’t ‘real’ Christians, lol
@@davidbutler1857 for catholics catholics are real Christians. For evangelical Christians they are real Christians. Each denomination believes they are the real ones
There's a certain type of person where the nicest thing you can honestly say about them is that they might just be profoundly stupid.
8:45 "I don't understand it, therefore God."
Classic fundie argument.
"I want this to be false, and since we already accepted it's false then my god... No, not yours... Mine only"
Much better 👌🏼
REALLY curious about what the big reveal will be in part 4. Dave's been hinting that it'll be BIG!!!
I commented in Part 2 that I hope he'll circle back to James' insistence that he's not invoking God when he attacks OoL research, when he clearly is. Dave responded saying "Oh, you are gonna LOVE Part 4." Really eager to see that final part, too. Let's hope there isn't some copyright strike entanglement that delays that one, as well.
part 4 is done and clean as a whistle
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Yay! Now I'm happy as a little girl! We all shall do the Sprocket dance!!!
The Elevator music when I was expecting laughing spanish guy is surprisingly funny
Thank you Dave.💪🏽I think Mr. Tour’s problem is he has found absolute truth from his exclusive facts. Science is the accumulation of facts. New facts are constantly being discovered. Mr. Tour is a victim of his bias’ and prejudices. I would suggest he would have the courage to grow in knowledge, or maybe even ‘evolve.’👍
Of course, Heinsenberg had to make an appearance here in discussion of chemical synthesis. Dude cannot let anyone else take credit.
The worst part is that James does all this to protect a religion he thinks is about being able to say "lord, provide me a parking space"....
I am kind of amazed you have the tenacity to keep up with these debunks. James seems like a deeply boring con-artist- but also alarmingly prolific, so I can see the necessity of these debunks. The amount of time and effort you and others have to invest in trying to correct the record is insane, though, especially given that y'all already know none of the nitwits who pay him to lie to them care at all to hear the actual facts he distorts. There is a certain kind of heroism in this: to be willing to fight the good fight against impossible odds, even knowing that you will likely not be able to get through to these people. What superhuman level of dedication propels you, I will likely never know, but props regardless!
Intelligent Design: This structure is more complex than anything humans have made. (Scientist makes it in lab)
ID: See! Making it requires intelligence!
“I really want my colleagues to critique me, am I wrong?”
“Yeah you are, here’s-“
“You people are morons!!!”
Hey James. I'm a synthetic organic chemist. Can you explain why you compared 13C NMR of a neat solution of ribose to what's essentially a reaction mixture? Only a really really stupid chemist would ever do such a thing. Not even an undergrad would make that dumb mistake. So why did you? I'm laughing pretty hard here, but not in the way I think you were hoping.
The shame of James Tour is his inability to maintain critical thinking snd solid reasoning because he is locked in the "logic " of the Fundamentalism of his faith. He's just plain wrong about origin-of-life science.
I'm just kinda sad for Steve. Just doing his job and he gets all this nutterbuttery thrown at him.
Trust me, Benner does not give a shit.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Glad to know! Thanks for the awesome video, please keep crushing these grifters.
Every time I hear that little elevator music jingle I’m gonna picture of James tours dumb head at the top of the dunning Kruger chart. 😂😂
In before the James Tour fanboys come crying insults without refuting a single iota of the video.
I was laughing so hard at the part where you had to explain how to calculate moles from volume and concentration
The only thing chemists are laughing at is James, and he's clearly distraught about it.