James Tour Has Hit Rock Bottom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2023
- After my live debate with James Tour at Rice University, where he humiliated himself by shrieking like a toddler for two full hours, James kept quiet for a little while. But recently he's been opening his mouth again. I would say that you'd be surprised by how low he has sunk, but somehow at this point I don't think it will shock you. Nevertheless, let's go through his most recent shenanigans and laugh at how pathetic he has become, shall we?
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"If you're tired of the drama, maybe skip this one."
The drama is why I'm here.
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haven’t seen a good scientific feud in the last hundred years
@@jtothey1993 I mean, calling it a "scientific" feud when one of the sides presents James's attitude is a bit of a stretch, but otherwise yes ;-)
James Tour constantly looks like he's on the verge of physically exploding
One can hope...
Or become a tea kettle
Rage, expressed or suppressed, is the result when you challenge a narcissist.
@@thesuperpunmaster6369 Or a black kettle calling the silverware black.
And sounds like he's on the verge of tears
James: “Show me the chemistry”
Dave: “Here’s the paper that the chemistry is described in detail in.”
James: “No, I mean write it on the board.”
In an alternative universe:
James: “Show me the chemistry”
Dave: “Here, I’ve written it on the board.”
James: “That’s just you writing, show me the papers”
Goalpost shifting 101, JT has a patent 😂
On his own channel I asked him if he could help me, because I am moving a soccer field from one end of the city to the other, and I need someone to move the goal posts. He seems so incredible good at that.
@@freddan6fly🤣🤣🤣
@@freddan6flyMad lad
thats 100% how it is too lol
“If you’re tired of the drama you may want to skip this one”
Me: pulling up a chair and grabbing popcorn
man enjoys wars
Also me: Laying on the couch with my 3 boxes of pizza.
Why can’t scientists take bread apart to its raw ingredients and rebuild it into bread? That means bread can only be made using magic.
I mean... Jesus appeared on a piece of toast once?
It's called entropy and it's another concept that keeps science deniers up at night.
@@shassett79 AND a taco shell!!! . . . so . . . . ya
@@shassett79and on a dog’s butt too.
@@shassett79it was his second coming
How hilarious would it be if the 10 people James asked to answer those questions just sent him links back to Dave's videos explaining it
Duude😂 that would be the greatest troll ever
It's hilarious that Tour would ever take down his videos.
@@romithromith That will never happen for R1000 (SA currency) please🙋♂️
@Professor Dave Explains
Please... make this happen...
That's a great idea!
"Bannon is no longer responding to me. This means he's running away!"
*5 minutes later*
"I will no longer respond to Dave. He's just doing it for attention and his personal benefit!"
The projection is unreal.
Hypocrisy is their name.
Bro your pfp made me think you were Daszombes
@@catpoke9557
Man, i've been getting that enough I'm considering changing it, even though I've been using it for longer than his channel has existed.
@@Powersd451 Haha, must have been weird when the comments first started happening and you probably had never even heard of the guy. Keep the picture. I think the mistaken identity is funny
@@catpoke9557 yep, that's basically what happened.
Funnily enough that got me to start watching him, because that was the time I was playing Rain World myself
TH-cam just fed me James’ “short” stating his challenge for deleting all his lies. It has loads of supportive comments about what a wonderful Christian he is. So I left a comment about him being a psychopathic narcissist and a front runner for this year’s Golden Crocaduck award. I feel sorry for him. He’s an excellent example of how religion shuts down your brain.
That comment will be deleted sadly
Yes, all channels of this nature delete negative comments knowing they're full of it and have to hide their bad reputation
I just got that short. Promptly blocked the channel from showing up. What a fool he is.
@@Onio_SaiyanI do hope Tour put something out about that Golden Crocoduck nomination-- if only to help defend his partner in stupid Behe
Still sad James didn't win. I was rooting for him. 😂
The moderator of that debacle was obviously biased and shouldn't have been a moderator. Stacking the deck and still losing must be embarrassing to JT.
You rang?
More likely the moderator was out of his depth, or unprepared.
The ref was definitely doing a slow count when Tour was knocked out.
@@mdug7224counted a slow 10 count and still insisted it was within 3
is james a lecturer in that university or something ? is that why they are biased ?
James does not go into angry preacher mode...
He STAYS in angry preacher mode.
He IS angry preacher mode.
That’s all he’s got
@@ErikaKellyGeorge Resting angry preacher face.
James is a far-less-powerful-and-effective creationist Hulk confirmed
@@tzvikrasner6073TOUR SCREAM! 😆
_"if you losing a debate, yell at your opponent as loud as you can"_
~James Tour, Art of Yelling
I'd yell too if my opponent just kept calling me a liar rather than refuting my arguments. I don't even understand chemistry but I appreciate Tour's effort to demonstrate on the board more than Dave's "here is the paper", "James is a liar." & "you, the audience, are too stupid to understand chemisty so shut up"
@@Azaryahu
Please dont see this comment as an insult and read it in entirety.
see, this is exactly why Tour did what he did. He knows his ideas are moronic and any scientist can notice that. Thats why he plays for the layperson, those who dont know chemistry at a highschool level.
When he points a chalk, these laypeople just think "dave is avoiding solution" when an actual scientist would know what tour is expecting wouldnt fit in the entire blackboard and it would be a waste of time for dave to memorise the entire process. It is a simple stunt to fool those who want their views validated with no actual knowledge, and from your comment it is easy to see it sadly worked.
@@AzaryahuNice try, buddy.
If you were faced with a debate opponent that hardly ever gives you an opening to speak at all, let alone speak at length, you wouldn't be able to refute his arguments either. You see, there's a difference between not being given a chance to refute in the face of constant interruptions and changes of topic and not having the knowledge to refute. It's called the Gish Gallop - go look it up, bro.
And it's not like Tour was debating in good faith. Tour wouldn't accept Dave's answers whenever the latter managed to get an answer in between Tour's bouts of yelling.
@@ege8240 Tour debated Lee Cronin, one of Dave's major sources. Why don't you go watch that debate so you can talk more about how moronic and unscientific Tour's arguments are. (Post debate, he had an interview with an atheist chemist who agreed with the pseudoscience behind OOL) in his openning, Tour predicted that Lee would not talk about his points, I leave it to your judgement to decide whether his prediction was true or not.
@@miaomiaochan The debate was very chaotic indeed because it was informal though it looked like they were supposed to follow a formal debate format. But I disagree that Dave was not given a chance to talk. But it is also true that Tour kept interrupting Dave, he should have waited his time to talk. But also we can see in the "debate" that things really start escalating when during Dave's turn to talk, he started his ad hominem about Tour's tweets. Dave even replied to a comment I made that the whole point of his attending this debate was "to prove James as a liar", even though he was the one who agreed with Tour about scope of their debate (are we clueless on OOL), which is why he starts talking about tweets instead of staying on the topic of chemistry. Hence a very chaotic debate for both of them, especially with the moderator forgetting to moderate at times 💀
“Would you change your interaction with the OOL community?”
“Yeah, I’d publish my my science in a respected scientific journal” said Tour never
Tour won't quit until he's reached the Earth's molten core. Rock bottom just means we're not even in the upper mantle yet.
It's true...every time he thinks he's hit bottom, Professor Dave throws him a shovel.
@@gl15col … and Tour grabs another box of dynamite to blow -himself- the rock bottom to high heavens cause a shovel is too slow.
Does a flat Earth have a core? 🤔
@@gl15col That's not a shovel. That's a JCB.
And yet his arguments are crusty and don't have a core.
James: Are we clueless?
Hour of debating the clues we have.
James: Declares his clueless victory.
At the end of the debate, Tour stood next to a board declaring "Clueless. Clueless. Clueless. Clueless. Clueless.". And I think that was pretty accurate. 😂
Tour concluded correctly, that he is clueless
The covid denial stuff makes me so mad. He was choosing his words so enormously carefully to make his claims squirrelly and unfalsifiable, while still making the audience think it's concrete claims which are verified.
It's actually gold to me that James' producer is now monitoring him so that he doesn't cause anymore embarrassment for Rice and the DI. This is the beginning of the end for James Tour. And he bloody knows it.
Was he really though? I think he was making that part up
@@fictionmusic3402 I highly doubt it. James fully admits that he regrets doing this entire thing because now his entire career hangs on the line. If the DI ever decided to cut him off the team, Rice will follow suit, and James will then have nothing, and how likely will it be that he will be hired as a scientist anywhere else with his reputation? This is why I said this is the beginning of the end of James Tour. He knows once he's cut loose from the DI, his entire career is over. His only saving grace is that James is all the DI really has.
@@3nd1ess77 Yah I agree with what you are saying. I think he does regret looking like an infantile schmo, but I think he is expressing that regret by making it look like it is coming from external sources ("my producer"), not his own conscience.
I just started watching. And oh yeah, that's the look of regret, of someone who understands how low they have sunk. I hope he knows he deserves it for selling his soul to creationists.
He knows he messed up, but now he is in too deep.
@@raptorcrasherinc.9823 The First Law of Holes was apparently not covered when Dr. Tour was getting his degrees.
@@outputcoupler7819 Well apparently not. And now he preaches that he is an expert, so he cannot bring himself to learn it.
This is why taking children to church should be illegal.
Tbh he is a creationist so he doesn’t have a soul anyway
I am an online student at Rice and whenever I see Rice post about Tour's research I cringe.
Why would Rice keep this guy on the payroll?
@@elmolewis9123 One word "tenure"
@@elmolewis9123legality. Tour is a tenured professor and that comes with certain legal protections and there are processes they have to engage in to fire him without incurring severance and lawsuits for religious discrimination and wrongful termination. The DI would absolutely jump on the chance to make headlines about "christian professor fired for challenging origin of life frauds!"
@@elmolewis9123Tenure, and his research on graphene.
@@elmolewis9123 it's because he has tenure.
"If you're tired of the drama, maybe skip this one"
Professor Dave, I am _here_ for the drama, there's nothing I love more than seeing science deniers reduced to childish temper tantrums.
Same
This is really the only drama I can tolerate lol
Yeah that debate was like a TLC episode lol
it brings me great joy
Indeed, it’s pretty silly to see
I can't help but laugh to myself whenever someone offscreen has to remind James to stop ranting at his own audience.
“Is that a fact or is that a theory?” Absolutely bananas hearing that coming from a scientist.
I found that especially striking - a supposed scientist who apparently doesn't know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. 🙄
@@MallomysGunungOR he’s muddying the waters, because his audience probably only knows the colloquial meaning of theory.
@@kellydalstok8900 very true.
@@MallomysGunung
Newton's theory of gravity.
This is another moment which makes me wonder how he can still be employed by an institution supposed to educate people. He actively tries to make people dumber. His students can never be sure that he does not work against them.
Thank you "MISTAH FARINAH!"
LMFAO
It was his New York accent lol
Here! Go! Go! Go! Go!😂😂
“Mistah Phone!”
@@KindlyKalenInanimate Insanity reference?
Only professor dave could convince me to watch a 2 hour debate of an older gentleman mentally breaking down and shouting over him just to understand how the fuck YT recommended me this video.
Also, how dare you assume Bloo would be friends with Tour. Bloo has standards.
I feel like Dave should do a “10 Challenges for intelligent design advocates or abiogenesis deniers” video like he did for Flat Earthers: challenges that are so trivial, deniers like James and the DI can’t not do them without sacrificing any academic or professional integrity.
@ianlee5812
Actually, it sounds *_quite_* a bit more involved, but yeah! Sounds effective!
The funniest part in all this is how they have an entire board who has to discuss how to manage your interactions with these jackasses, and you're just this guy. It's hilarious. James rants and raves against your calm, clear demonstrations, the "institute" discusses how to manage fallout, and you're just doing your job, debunking this nutjob as a _hobby._ It's fun.
Also, how does one go about "bowing my knee"? Weird.
Totally agree! They haven’t been this tweaked since the Dover trial. I love it! 😄😃😂
Bowing the knee is what happens after you bend the knee. But with a good surgeon, your leg should be fine again after about two months.
There were the dumb super crazy hate speech "Christians" at my college campus earlier this year that were anti everything, especially LGBT, but one guy was wearing a shirt that said "I am on my knees for him" 🤣
@@EricBurns1 😏
@@EricBurns1wink, wink, nudge, nudge
prof dave:
james tour: "nuh uh"
The funny thing is, you aren't exaggerating, that's literally what happened.
Dave has gotta start responding with "fuck you mean 'nuh uh'?"
James tour next video "The art of nuh uh"
😂 that sums it up perfectly. The funniest things in life happen to be true.
Well spoken, Tour 😂
As a post doc I had to take this guy for dinner with the research group. On one hand its generous of a Professor who is (was) well respected in his field to want to spend time with junior scientists. However it was also a strange and awkward experience.
Ten years later I've just discovered this stuff and I am shocked, but not that shocked.
James Tour is ignorant!
@@user-uk6qy4jx5s Desperate
Was that a Futurama reference?
@@xryeau_1760 no I genuinely took this guy out for a curry
@@mrspoon6742 Was referring to a part of your last sentence; "...I am shocked, but not that shocked"
A trait of a narcissist is to lash out and claim victimhood. When you understand him psychologically, you understand the lunacy behind his demeanor.
"We didn't introduce god" says man on a channel literally called 'Jesus And Science'.
James has been on one of the deepest fall offs after your debate
Tour is desperate, so he's resorting to desperate arguments.
Not that deep. He fell off a curb lol
I will never forget "FARINA! GO! GO! GO! GO!" It was just too funny.
Dave, coming from someone who almost went down the whole anti-establishment, Jesus freak, anti-science rabbit hole when I was in a vulnerable place in my life, watching your videos really slapped me in the face with reality. And watching you debate Dr. Tour and the DI, puts a smile on my face because these are the people that take advantage of people that were in the same place I was.
Well done turning the corner on this mental state!!
I've been down that very rabbit hole before, and while I still am a Jesus freak, Prof. Dave has been a big part in me being more open to the scientific community, and more aware of the tactics (whether intentional or not) employed by the DI
Faraday was a devout Christian and living disproof of the modern dichotomy between religion and science. Maxwell, Cavendish, Newton and many genius mathematicians were too. Founders of modern science with a Kant mindset ruined everything.
@@alanx4121 Almost anyone was a Christian back then....Almost anyone in the golden age of Islam was a follower of Mohammet....what emperical based science anyone produces has no bearing on the validaty of their faith based convictions.
@@derhafi
Yet they were smarter than us, even darwin's wife remained a christian.
Devout christian implies personal faith and relationship, jc maxwell glorified God on his sickbed, can't do that without trust, culturally they'd call a priest with holy water, and is not faithbased.
He does not deserve to be on the faculty of any non-religious university.
My mum is a PhD synthetic chemist like Tour and when I sent her the series on James Tour, she pointed out many of ridiculous and scientifically inaccurate things he said
I’m a synthetic chemist with a PhD too. Tour is driven by his religious view point. It has nothing to do with good standards of scientific evidence
@@setboy1Yes, but he never mentioned God in his research. 🤣
@@romithromithwhat’s your point? He can still be completely motivated by his god glasses and never mention god. If he really isn’t being motivated by his religion then He is clearly a fucking moron that can’t understand anything beyond arrow pushing and mixing crap in a round bottom flask
@@romithromith Yeah, he only talks about this scientific topic in front of religious congregations and for religious institutions (like the DI) and the only time we know he spoke about the topic in front of a non religious group, he went out of his way to stack the audience with... oh surprise, his religious congregation.
Also, there is a video (made by the DI) where he certainly appeals to the god of the gaps.
@@Julian0101 Whereas, he could've proposed that what OoL researchers are discovering could be the smoking gun of how their deity did it. Many theists accept a completely naturalistic "life, the universe & everything" sans the supernatural, by smushing their god into setting up the starting conditions and letting nature take it's course.
It's one giant "god of the last imaginary gap". Sort of "And lo, verily did he lighteth the blue touchpaper and stood well back!" 😆
James being angry that he isn't allowed to be angry is one of the best developments so far. Like, _we_ all can see how insane and unhinged he's been. But this proves that the level of hysteria was so great that it even got through to his own people, who had to sit down with him and talk about using his inside voice when he's lying for Jesus.
and to never bring up Jesus when he’s lying for Jesus
I can't help but snicker whenever that happens.
its even better when you think about that... being angry ,is the polite secular way to put it XD what he truely is upset over is that to be taken serious in a modern functional society ,leet alone scientific circles making civilizations with such societies so much more well armed , well feed and healthier lees sick , then theocratic ones , doing the one thing that religion wants to do the most aka.. scream louder , or resort to violence to deny reality is frowned upon ^^ wich so happen to also be among the favourite tools of narcissists that cant demonstrate or prove what they say is true be it personal worth claims or assertions about reality.
“I’m not trying to reach the origin of life researchers, I’m trying to reach the masses.” - This is what is known as indoctrination. 44:16
CLUELESS!!!! AHHHH! MR. FARINA!
Do you remember in your first ever vid about this clown, you said he was respected in his field? It's crazy to see how much respect this guy how thrown down the drain just to keep the DI and other places paying his bills. I guess even knowledgeable scientists have their price.
I was waaaaay too charitable in the first one 😂
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Like a real scientist, you collected data on this madman and have revised your position. That's how science works. We adjust when the data indicates we should.
"Dr." Tour doesn't do this because he intentionally doesn't do science. He does... something else, I guess.
He sounds like Trump. "They said to me, if you join us, we will get this solved". What real scientist ever assumed they had that kind of power of thought to beat an entire community of people.
Holy shit. I never stopped to compare the two but you are absolutely right
The narcissism, the half finished points, the "everyone is out to get me", I'm always right. Yea, it's the definition of an inflated ego.
@@JoeySchmidt74so is the fact he believes an all-powerful being takes a special interest in him, and that this being sacrificed his son for James’s sins.
Guys like James are positively fascinating. No matter how much evidence you use to disprove his nonsense, they are convinced they're right, and then continue to scream to anyone who will listen.
That debate was a sight to behold.
That's how religious fundamentalists think
truly shows the immense power of the chalkboard
elaborate on this in your own words, what did dave disprove, and how he did it.
@@the_disc32 CLUELESS!
@@masukadivert5356 stop asking people to move the goal post for you and watch the videos yourself
I almost feel sorry for Tour, except when I think of all the damage he's likely done to other students who've been misled by his garbage, then I think, twist the knife.
One of my favorite things to do on TH-cam is come back to your debunk videos and read the most recent comments. Always laugh out loud when you call someone a fucking idiot or something equally succinct and harsh. Hope you’re having a good day Dave and keep it up.
Good to know I'm not the only one doing this
He is clearly just making this "challenge" so he can then claim "well, these people didn't drop whatever they were doing to prove me wrong, so clearly I must be correct". This really is no different then a random flat earther saying "I'll debate Neil deGrasse Tyson and if he doesn't agree to this, I win by default!"
That's not how that works unless academia has changed an awful lot since I studied, not to mention that, even if any one of them bothered with this, the goalposts would move at biblical speed (which, according to YECs is about 2.3 million times faster than real time).
Presuppositional apologists also employ that strategy.
It's basically like when Kent Hovind said "I'll give $250,000 to whoever has proof of evolution". Even if someone succeeded I bet neither of them would have the maturity and security to uphold their end of the bargain.
His challenges are false dilemmas -- gotchas. But his audience is oblivious to that.
@@Alpharelic Yeah that was a bait and switch. The only ''proof'' he accepted was if you showed proof that God didn't do it xD
Nothing to do with fossils or science or anything remotely serious.
LOL - James accuses Dave of paying for subscription numbers, prompting me to realize I haven't subscribed yet and immediately do so. Another victory, James.
Jeesh glad you made this comment! Subscribed!
What a delusional character James is. A psychologist could write a hell of a case study on him.
Hail Xenu!
@@alisterrebelo9013 and you are a garden-variety simp for Tour. You are better served saying nothing.
He isn’t delusional but just a great chemist
The same psychology as every religious nut
@@jpp7728great in what way
Tour when presented with actual scientific studies: *UNINTELLIGIBLE SCREECHING*
Tour when told humans are just crystals still forming in the Earth: *deafening silence*
It’s hard to admit you’ve hit rock bottom when you’re intentionally paid to deny there’s a geologic column
😂
this is all so fking funny
He was very loud, and he did have a lot of people clap, so... maybe? 🤔
@@bigdallyc Tour is obviously of the opinion that shouting louder makes more right.
@@markc4176 "Complexifying systems with only positive side effects has never been observed"
What do you mean by this? I'm assuming you're referring to abiogenesis as the "complexifying system," but what does it mean to have "ONLY positive consequences?"
The geologic column as a whole isn't hydrologically sorted. You can find more dense rock on top of less dense rock, and you'll never find a rabbit fossil below a dinosaur fossil
It must be emotionally draining fighting stupidity and charlatans at this level. Thank you, Dave. Thank you.
@@ChadDamitz Having a Ph.D. is no proof that your are neither stupid nor a charlatan.
@@ChadDamitz Dude, please. Either you haven’t watched the video, of Dave showing he’s intentionally deceiving his audience, moving goal posts or making strawman arguments when he’s backed into a corner. Because he knows he’s wrong, but he doesn’t admit it. What makes you think James is correct? Is it just because he has a PhD or have you actually studied and researched his claims? Please tell me, what evidence do you have to believe James is correct?
@@ChadDamitz Well, in this regard he is. I would in fact say that he is the textbook example of a charlatan. Narcissistic as well, but that's beyond the point. Doesn't matter what you have a Ph.D in when it's not the field you are trying to debunk so hard.
The fact is that he is a creationist, and that does not have anything to do with science. Which he actually proves when all he can counter facts and actual research with is saying "No" and coming up with lies and half-truths. No own published and peer reviewed articles to back up his claims when trying to disprove other published and peer reviewed research.
@@ChadDamitz Yes. I still asked what reason do you have to believe James? Have you researched his claims?
@@ChadDamitzAs in Phony Dick?
Because this seems like the end of Tour's relevance, I highly recommend everyone go back and watch the full playlist. In the very first video, Dave gave him every benefit of the doubt and treated him with kid gloves. No name-calling, just addressing the BS.
It's surreal to watch the unwinding of a narcissist through the series.
Professor Dave: "James Tour has hit rock bottom."
James Tour: "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!!!!"
😂😂😂😂😂
It's hard to believe that some people actually think Tour won the Rice University debate...
As a chemistry illiterate compared to them, it definitely seems like it.
And we both know all his fans are completely chemistry illiterate
Not people, Christians
@@godofmath1039Nothing productive ever came of othering people.
@@farkasmactavish Not people, Christians
They say rock bottom is the lowest someone can go but no… You don’t mess with Dave, why you might ask? Look at James Tour.
James is likely going insane at how badly Dave has obliterated him.
He hit rock bottom and then proudly revealed his pickaxe so he can dig for chalk.
@@bass-dc9175 And a sheet of slate.
@@bass-dc9175 "If I keep tunneling through this small magma pocket I'll surely hit a chalk lode soon! Huh. Is that molten iron?"
Bro got turned into an example
I’ll never see a more angry, vengeful, and unpleasant person in all of my life before James Tour. He has so much hate and anger.. it’s really sad honestly. Someone like that can’t live happily. It’s the kind of behaviors that gets people hurt.
Potholer54 has nominated Tour for a 2023 Golden Crocoduck award in his last video, something to do with the ninth commandment against bearing false witness.
Bro straight cooked James with the "if only they wrote it in chalk" line.
James Tour is insane, and he represents a movement that is unhinged.
And that movement also tries to infiltrate the education system and the government.
The neo confederate Christian Nationalist Trumplicans....
The-Bible-is-right-no-matter-what movement
Modern conservative evangelicals have this mindset, yelling wins. They loved Trump for the same reason they love James.
Hes older man and when he has no one near that cares about him, he needs to invent imaginary friends, hes not first one to go mad.
Hes 64 , bet his kids have all left and if he act this way also at home, they are not so keen to visit.
Thanks, Mr. Farina. Don't ever stop my man. We really do appreciate your efforts. The anti-science movement is inexplicable to me.
Yep Professor Dave’s paying me to be here 😂😂😂. I love watching you bury the frauds. Hope he fires back for more video’s from you. Cheers from Australia.
>'Why do you bring God into this!?'
>Meanwhile 'JesusAndScience' in top left corner:
This is the primary reason why these Creationist arguments from probability always fail. They always defined the target sequence too narrowly. Yes, the chance of a given molecule forming is astronomically low. But the target sequence is too narrowly defined. For a 500-residue amino, the chances of that particular one forming are 1 in 20^500. But they assume that *only 1 in 20^500 sequences work.* They have no justification for that assumption.
BTW, you might want to see an article where I talk about just this kind of thing: Levenson, B.P. 2022. Probability or determinism: How rare is ETI? Journal of the British Interplanetary Society 75, 348-356.
But also the probability is not relevant because we necessarily live in a universe where those sequences formed. Whatever the odds are, they had to happen or we wouldn’t be here.
They also act as if there was only one chance to get to that exact molecule. How many chemical reactions happened in the universe? I bet the number is even more absurdly big.
the probability also has to be seen in the context of how many repetitions of the circumstance occurred over the given time. Sure the probability is low but in such a vast universe over such a long time the low probability becomes a certainty.
I was at a debate between dinesh D'Souza and Bart Ehrman. It was a total embarrassment. Ehrman was such a class act and so humble but effortlessly eviscerated his opponent. I went to my parent's place after to discuss. My dad was the president of the school and moderated the debate (or maybe just introduced them). He's a Christian. And somehow he thought the edge went to Dinesh. You can watch it online. It was, as it always is, a sad joke. The christians, in their own environments, are almost always defensive, smug, insert loads of mentions of escatology, epistemology and ontology, but crumble within minutes of being tested. And yet the congregations of eager students and faculty somehow leave buoyed that they racked up another win for the big Man. Ugh.
Poor God. He must shake his head with shame every time these people open their mouths in his defense.
When one is up agains a faith based cult, reason and logic just takes you so far.
People who got to their position by cultivating an indoctrination for a lifetime, rarely yield to reason
Sounds like cognitive dissonance. If what they see doesn't match the conclusion, they can't process it or ignore it.
The funniest thing about his argument in the debate where he says "you weren't supposed to bring new papers to the debate!" When if you are arguing about the TRUTH of our existence it is extremely important to bring as many papers as possible
Then James brings up his chalk obsession...
@@stylesrj I was really hoping someone in the Q&A would question him on why Dave needed to specifically write the data on the board, rather than reciting the data.
To be fair, he did not have the time to read the paper *during* the debate.
@@mr.cauliflower3536 True, but papers are also the only kind of evidence you can bring to a debate like this. So the expectation is that he'd already read them beforehand, and if he hadn't, that he would say "Okay, I haven't read any papers on this topic, so I can't yet speak on the validity of it. Let's move on"
Rather than simply asserting that because he hasn't read them and can't read them yet, they must not be true.
I actually laughed out loud when James kept on rambling and the video progressively sped up. Good stuff. Brutal.
Like damn! No one's going to read an email from James Tour that's 3-5 pages long, and opens with talking about a podcast. I'm unemployed and have better things to do.
I almost felt a twang of sympathy for Mr Tour at 2:18 having to listen to this bimbo, but then I remembered he peddles anti scientific rhetoric in very much the same manner. 🤔
it seems were all crystals LOL
True though that may be, I still had SOME small tick of sympathy for him. Even if it was Ham or Hovind in his place, I might still have some small amount... ... maybe.
@@interdictr3657that statement split my SIDES lmaoo
To some people, everything is a crystal. Those people are just dumb
I wish someone could've asked in front of his students, How honest and moral is it to demand research while simultaneously not allowing the papers that contain the research? Follow that up with, James if your argument is so strong, why do you need to need to use such disingenuous tactics?
The idea that an intelligent person could read that despicable book from cover to cover and not see the inconsistencies and downright horror in it committed by the supposed heroes of the stories is mind blowing.
Seriously!
Very disturbing to hear that as someone who knows the Bible!e and knows what reading it all covers.
God is love, that's why he kills the population and condones rape and slavery. Just don't be gay.
Makes perfect sense...
Deaths in the Bible
God: ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 2.3 Million
Satan: ||| 10
I prevent my students to fall into rabbit holes! Yet, he himself continues to dig a deeper hole!! 😂
That struck me. He PREVENTS his students from lines of scientific inquiry. The EXACT OPPOSITE of what a teacher is supposed to do.
But it is EXACTLY what religious indoctrination does.
You mean he wasn't there already?
Apparently not. I mean he is still descending.
he's still diggin Jim
Well, he's a creationish charlatan. So he could always get arrested for beating his wife or something.
I just realized you can actually claim this video did not age well when you compare it to the latest video from Harvard - James is still accelerating in search of rock bottom.
ROFLMAO, you are right NMP.
There is no bottom in the cesspool called creacrap. That's why they always can sink lower.
He’s so damn weird… James and the discovery institute won’t stop, and neither should you. Get ‘em! I have a masters degree in biotechnology. I’ve been watching your science videos since high school. Thanks for everything, Dave!
Two years later and I'm still not tired of watching you dunk on James.
Quality content! 🙏
I would like to remind everyone that Tour during the debate admitted to not submitting his research to peer review because it was hard.
He is a coward who can only make his claims in an echo chamber.
And on that note, everybody should be made aware that he has published to peer review literally hundreds of times in his actual field, but - very conspicuously - includes his non-peer-reviewed blog posts on his list of publications embedded casually among the peer-reviewed work, as if to elevate them to that level.
There has to be a point where Tour, in the privacy of his own mind, can't avoid the conclusion that he's wrong-that his entire creationist narrative is wrong. I have to wonder, then, why he clings so desperately to something he knows is false. I suspect that he is petrified by the prospect of oblivion-that acknowledging the falsehood of creationism would initiate a domino effect ultimately toppling his salvation, the immortality of his soul. So he is lying because his life depends on it. This is a man with a gun to his head.
Indeed. People who really have faith are tranquil and relaxed. When they get furious and start yelling, it means they know their worldview is no longer tenable.
@@galileog8945 It's like Pirsig says, nobody runs down the street shouting that the sun will rise tomorrow. People only get noisy about things they're not sure of.
Dear Professor Dave, It's both sad and pathetic to see Dr Tour's decline into cognitive dissonance and induced victimhood. Thanks for making this public. Best Wishes, DOC
I understand 2 things about chemistry:
1. Baking soda and vinegar makes volcanoes work.
2. Botte rockets launched into eyeballs is hilariously funny when it's not my eyeballs.
(That second one might be biology)
Can I have a discussion with Dave? I will be exactly as informative as Jimmy-T, with 82% less screaming and 100% less chalkboarding.
Finally, James is with his people. The folks who tell tales of a scientificly innacurate earth mixed with fables from ancient history, garnished with blind, stupid faith.
Its up to you which group(s) im talking about.
Hey Dave! If there's one good thing that came out of this whole Tour business, it's that you made me and a lot of other people I'm sure, interested in abiogenesis. So I was wondering, is there any chance you would do a series on explaining the basics of it? I am crap at chemistry and I hated it at high school (I study computer science at uni now), so while I'm sure your chemistry tutorials are great, they aren't for me. I understand that abiogenesis is a complicated field but is there any chance you could dumb it down for lay people and make a series about it? Or alternatively do you (or anyone else reading this) know about any other sources that try to explain abiogenesis in a simple manner?
i have been thinking about doing that!
I learned a lot trying to understand the hard science segments. I'd love a series on it too. You've got lots of source material.
@@ProfessorDaveExplainsthat would be great
@@alexmcd378
Agreed!
Skip this one? No way! Professor Dave thumping James Tour....ahhhhhh, feels so good.
James has a babysitter in the room and claims he is babysitting the whole field. Delusional.
It's kind of a relief to know how badly he affected his own image through that debate. There's of course my opinion on how much of a clown he is and was especially there, but you never know with other people.
It is fascinating that it is fundamentally lost on him that he didn't only damage his image because he is a bad scientist. Who wants to talk to a guy who is going to scream at them how wrong they are regarding a subject about which he is not an expert(especially when they are an expert).
What's really, really sad is that I have run into people who think James Tour is just the smartest guy ever on origin of life.
He is as smart on OOL as a flat earther on the shape of our globe.
In a way Jimmy Thinner Than Thong is - he tells his fanboys and -girls exactly what they want to hear. Someone like Szostak doesn't receive such brainless admiration, something Jimmy's ego badly needs.
But James is smarter on the subject than Dave
Amazing how these people ignore evidence in favor of Bronze Age folklore. There entire life is wrapped up in an imaginary friend.
I had a little sympathy for the guy in that one moment he opened up. That self awareness of how screwed he is was painful to see, even if he did bring it on himself. The fact that there is a path out of this mess right in front of him, but he can't or won't see it, just makes it worse.
Same
Save your sympathy for the students he has suckered in who may have otherwise had meaningful input if they had never met the charlatan.
@@patersonplays you say that like I have a choice in what enjoyed sympathy.
@@alexmcd378 wasn't a dig mate, we all get that initial gut emotion at times. After that initial wave though, once you are able to rationalize and consciously choose to keep sympathizing or not, Tour doesn't deserve it but some of his students no doubt do.
@@patersonplays fair enough
Tour: "Systems Chemistry is a smokescreen!"
Also Tour: "OOL researchers must show me where *sPeCiFiEd iNfOrMaTiOn* came from!"
I know James will probably see this video and read these comments as well, so I'm directing this at him. No one is afraid of James, no one is scared to refute him because they honestly don't have to, these videos are just to bring awareness to not only his but the general pseudo-intelligent con artists trying to masquerade as scientists while completely making up things about scientists and hoping that's enough to convince people that there's some kind of institution to rebel against. It's teenage angst that never died in him.
"If I don't understand it, no one can" that is so arrogant that I think even the Abrahamic god wouldn't believe it. I'm an idiot and there are things he doesn't understand that are pretty simple to me. He literally just denies anything that actually proves him wrong. A very convenient tactic, but won't work on scientists as it's nothing they haven't heard or debunked before already.
I love how in the debate, Professor Dave was providing clear cut evidence with why and how humans became humans, yet James Tour just kept shouting, “SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE MR. FARINA!” It was just priceless.
There are days I totally feel like a progressively complex earth rock crystal. I'm not sure what it means, but it's provocative.
You just need to realign your chakras and take a lot of drugs. Then you will be enlightened to how it feels and it will all make perfect sense (lol).
Man.. that thing where he started whispering... that was some serious narcissistic contempt for his handlers that he now has to tolerate because he effed up.
All of Tour's fans keep missing the subject matter (or topic) of the debate. *It was not about proving the origin of life or even what evidence is available for it* The subject was *"Are we clueless about the Origin of Life?"* All of us, scientists know that in the past 70 years (since Miller-Urey) many discoveries were made and substantial evidence was found in many aspects of this research.
The debate was not about formulae of chemical reactions, which Tour desperately tried to use to distort the topic, he was unable to deal with and where he tried to hoodwink the mostly ignorant audience.
So I ask you: "Do you think there was any progress, even the slightest? Or are you not aware that several biologist researchers made substantial discoveries about those processes (self assembly of chemicals)? And are the works of those, more than 100 PhD biologists including D. Szostak (Nobel prize winner) add up to zero? Because, if the slightest progress was made, we are definitely not clueless, and Tour was done, right after he said "Hello".
The conclusion is that this never had any chance to become a debate. That requires the participants being honest and reasonable - or at least trying.
Interesting. Was he professional?
@@marknieuweboer8099 There is not much to debate. But if anyone wishes to debate, I am willing.
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My contact (several years ago) with Dr. Tour was professional because all the discussion was about science; never mentioning OoL research or religion. We were putting together a presentation for students.
James Tour already talked about it and we actually have no idea how the first cell formed.
Tour can't separate his biases from the realities of OOL research. Despite being a difficult and complex subject, much progress has been made in the various areas this field is involved with. Yes, I am an avid watcher of Dave's videos. Why? He's an excellent teacher who strives constantly for truth and accuracy 😊😊
I absolutely love Tour's face while that woman is yapping about nonsense. It looks like someone is spritzing lemon quarters at him and he's not supposed to move or do anything about it. Pure gold.
It's pretty much how our faces look when Tour is yapping about nonsense.
@@nitsujism I included more sniggering though.
That just reminded me of an episode out of a Japanese variety show! search for "No Reaction Pie Hell"
James is submitting to journals, but they don't accept crayon.
*chalk lol
Dave, I can't even begin to understand the chemistry, but a) this is still hilariously entertaining and b) I love how passionate you are about truth and good science.
It is so sad to see a guy like this ruin his career because of his anger, stubbornness and narcissism.
Nobody is tired of the rivalry between Dave and James. These are always pure gold.
It's not a rivalry if the other one does really pose much of a challenge.
I appreciate you treating Tour with the seriousness he deserves.
James is what you'd have if Trump was actually religious.
Actually I’d rather have Tour around rather than tRump . I’m not sure that Tour is as deliberately malicious as tRump is . I’m still of the opinion that Tour thinks he understands more OOL chemistry than he actually does
Hardly. Tour at least is educated. Trump is an ignorant, uneducated IMBECILE.
If Tour had political power and clout, everybody agrees he would abuse it to further his egomania and pet project of dumbing down science.
Therefore, it's a good thing he does not have political power.
Trump, on the other hand....
😂 True!
"Many people are saying that Dave's channel has bought subscribers" is absolutey a Trump thing to say. Tour elaborating was his mistake, though. You just make the accusation, repeat the accusation, move on.
I wish we could go back to a time when James stuck to his own field. It’s old news now, but as a nerdy chem / biochem undergrad I loved reading up on his little molecular cars and nano people. I don’t know James’ background, but it’s really a shame what religious indoctrination from a young age does to people’s ability to interpret the world through an objective and rational lens. I’ve had friends who grew up like that in uncompromising religious families, and you can really see how the cycle perpetuates. Alas, the young mind is just too malleable; free will is an illusion. A pity.
Even though I got a perfect score on my biology final in 9th grade, I'd say my understanding of biology is very rudimentary at best, but still that's all I need to know that James just lies about science then conveniently ignores the papers which present the evidence he asks for
I mean science class in school did help lead me away from Christianity, because I had a lot of questions and science gave answers that were more comprehensive than "God works in mysterious ways"
Calling this rock bottom would be an insult to rocks. James has dug himself a hole all the way through the planet and out the other side.
Nah, he couldn't escape the inner core. Much too dense for that
@@SS-rf1ri Are you talking about the core or james being dense? Not sure which one is denser tbh
That debate was so painful and yet so fun to watch, I have no idea how that’s even possible but it apparently is
Love you for all you do, Dave! Really appreciate your work and time you've put into it and hope you continue to expose these frauds