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@@terakahn the workaround i found is to remove the turret assembler and filter out copper from the belt, then put the cables in the place of copper (you can do that by moving the underground belt forwards one space and putting a splitter between them, then simply connect the belt to the side). it's not pretty but it works. and you can automate turrets someplace else, their recipe is not that complicated
I used to hand-craft my science just trying to get to construction bots so I could tear my base down and attempt to build a mega base as fast as possible, but now I'm making jump start bases and using busses and crafting hubs. Thank you for the content you produce and for the hours you spend developing all of these blueprints and strategies. You really helped me elevate my Factorio playthroughs
Best intro ever. "This is not a mall. This is a hub. A mall is a suburban commercial hellhole full of useless stuff. I don't wanna build that in my base."
You Sir are the guy I watched to get my first rocket up during quarantine. These master classes are so well thought out, modest and easy to follow. I especially enjoy the neat layouts and upgrade options! Ty
A little extra tip for new users: if you change the numbers of the circuit conditions that Nilaus has preset at the inserters for whatever reason (explained at 3:35), stamping down the next tier will overwrite your changes. To avoid that, just ugrade or downgrade the type of insterter used (to either yellow or green) in order to protect your value. On another note Nilaus, you really should be more careful with your keys. Tank-engines are really expensive! Regardless of your confession, this very clearly explained hub turned out to be great, esthetic and straightforward and will be a joy to have in a base. It is quite possible that I will use it in one of my games, regardless of my own designs ;)
THIS IS PERFECT. I was following the 1.0 series and I was beginning to go insane pausing the video and trying to copy your hub design, now I can at least stamp this blueprint down e follow the ghostys without having to spend double the time copyng from the video and actually playng the game. Thank you so much
Hi Nilaus, I don't know if you will come back to this but the recipe has changed for med and large power poles, they take copper wire instead of copper plate now, might change your design slightly haha
If anyone uses this as a template after the release of space age, it no longer works perfectly because they changed some of the recipes. For example the medium power pole now requires copper wire instead of copper plate.
@@2tom how did you route copper cables to decider combinators after those changes? Im trying to figure out something that will look neat and just can't
In case someone is interested, I was able to fairly easily rework the blueprints to account for the removal of green and red wires, and filter inserters. I'm pretty sure I can't share any links in comments, but here's a description of the changes. The only truly broken thing are the power poles. With them now taking copper wire, the only craft left in this section which requires copper plates is the turrets. So I just moved the turrets to section 3 (chemical/train). I moved the pumpjacks down one (replacing the tanks) and put the turrets in their place. Now back to section 2 we can replace the half belt of copper plates with copper wire (flipping the inserters on the wire assemblers), and everything works. We just need to bring in a belt of copper plates to the top of the wire assemblers to feed them. Keeping both the underground of copper wire and the new half belt works well, no need to change anything else. I've made other changes to make the blueprints more compact to account for some crafts being removed. Note that this has the effect of putting some expensive crafts like beacons, roboports and gun turrets, earlier in the chain, which may lead to a resource shortage further down the line. I just don't like having empty spaces. 1) For the insert/belt sections: the radar and electric mining drill production can be moved to replace the filter inserters. The repair packs can be moved to the chemical/train section under the iron stick to free up that row. 2) After the removal of red and green wire crafts, with minimal changes, substations, roboports, and beacons can respectively be moved to replace green wire, red wire, and the previously empty spot between constant combinators and speed modules. Since turrets were moved to 3) I replaced them with an extra iron stick so that medium and big power pole can each get a dedicated supply. 3) As previously mentioned, pumpjacks were moved one down to replace tanks, and turrets were put in their place.
Amazing, thank you for sharing! I'm still new to Factorio (~150h) and I enjoy mostly creating my own solutions. But this was very educational and inspiring!
This hub is a godsend. Holy crap, just looking it over and reverse engineering it is gonna be so good to get some mechanics and build ideas down. Thanks man.
You always have beautiful builds. This is very different from the wheel I saw on Twitch a while ago, as it was obviously far from done. Thanks for the great blueprints once again!
I was sitting there wondering why the hell he would wire the inserters that way, when I normally just put a limit on the chests. Then I learned about logistics filter on the storage chests and everything suddenly made so much sense...
Good base, well done. My only comment would be, for the engines, to use a buffer chest instead of a long inserter. This way the assembler can run longer, which lets the other assemblers refill their buffers faster. It also gives a spot if you need to grab engines for handcrafting (I can't think of any now, but my mall also has electric engines, which I use to handcraft power armor).
So I caved and ended up using those blueprints in my deathworld. Was having a hard enough time already, figured that setting all this up myself would take for ever. Really complete designs, very happy. Thanks a bunch
16:14 Solar panels can go in the empty spot. They require green circuits, steel and copper plates. Although you probably want more than just one assembler can produce. But if you just want a few solar panels to power small radar outposts it is fine. It takes only 5 panels to have a daytime Radar outpost.
I've been loving your Master Class videos! Do you have a checklist of different aspects you're going to be covering? I'd love to see one on mining/smelting - especially as it pertains on when/how to upgrade them efficiently as well as a video on power - comparing solar to nuclear, efficient layouts, and ideas on when to transition from base steam boilers to something more beneficial.
Thank you. I am noting ideas when I see them. Like here :) I want to cover the "basics" first to allow new players to have guides for every part from start to rocket launch, from there I will dive into more obscure topics. Smelting/Mining is a good suggestion and so is the various power options
@@Nilaus i think a very good/important and difficult video could be trains and rails! i always struggle with them! mostly copying some railprints und un/loading stations, but not always fitting my basestyle and then i feel bad! ^^
I decided to modify your blueprint. You tend to put the road near the bus and I've chosen to do the same thing, so it just does not make sense for the gear machines to be the closest thing to the road. I punted them to the back for better accessibility until you reach the point where you actually have access to bots and can just get things delivered. That also shortened the circuit belt. I'll probably do the same with the rest of the hub designs.
I must say I seldom lose the keys to the tank. Much more often I find the tank falls apart around me and then I have to walk back to the base. Often while being nibbled on. This looks like a very simple and elegant Make Anything, and the tiers are thought out too. I would wander off with it in a wing-beat, If only I wasn't a sucker doing a Bobs run, where I need oh so much more complexity :) Thanks,
Well designed and a great build, Nilaus! I've noticed the filter for the red belt storage chest (Hub #1, level 3) is set to red undergrounds, instead of red belts.
I've designed a few hubs in my time playing Factorio but I think some of the ideas you have here are excellent. It's very difficult to balance simplicity, organization, and progression but I think this is one of the best I've seen. Definitely gonna steal some ideas from you, haha.
I still come back to these videos to get ideas for my designs. But really they are just your designs but I switch minor things out. Thanks and I watch you on Twitch sometimes also. Great stuff.
I love the designs. I think i'm going to try to modify them adding solar panels and accumulators and see if i can make them "self-sufficient", just for fun. Keep it up, i love your videos
Thank for making these episodes and this video in particular. I needed something that would create everything for me during a Lazy Bastard achievement hunt. Part of what was hampering my first attempt was the lack of a hub (or mall). I liked your design based on its simplicity and it was a bit easier to work with than the one I had seen from Katherine of Sky. Before I put it to use, I adapted the design to suit my requirements and I tried to extract any military aspects and put them into their own designs. After I managed to earn my achievement, I realized that the design was too big to use during a speedrun. I trimmed it down to something that is more manageable and that only included what I needed in order to earn the There Is No Spoon achievement. Each of the three main blueprints are between 1 and 2 chunks in size and that includes the undergrounds that mark out the inputs for each transport belt. Going forward, I will need to spend time creating my own upgrade paths for the different blueprints, so that I can change from wooden chests to steel chests and eventually logistic chests. Also, being able to swap out the electric poles will be nice, so that I can obtain better coverage. It will take some time to do, but it will be worth it in the end. I have watched most of the rest of this playlist. The design for the column of steel furnaces for smelting steel gave me some ideas to create a new blueprint for my own use. Thank you for the inspiration.
That's so neat and elegant. I like to add two extra modules. A war module for ammo, explosives, turrets and a wardrobe module for power armour and attachments. I also get run over a lot and it's nice to just grab some gear and carry on. Do you not bother with walls? I guess you could attach a wall assembler next to the concrete flooring.
Guy on his second playthrough here. I don't have a "mall" either, it's more like a small business utopia. My manufacturing of base expansion goods is so far distributed into several places, with just goods that feed into each other (like inserters and belts) being bunched together. It works well so far, I seldom need to grab stuff from many places at a time, it's usually one or two kinds that I need to stock up on.
This was a greatly anticipated (though I can only speak for myself) update to your base-in-a-box prints. Thanks as always for the time and effort you put into your work!
@@Zaspar I agree. its fine to inspire yourself but in the end most fun is had if you figure this stuff out by yourself. I paid for the whole game and I will play the whole game
@@deheinrich4785 In my opinion, both ways are good. Nilaus is one of greatest, if not the greatest masterminds in Factorio :), so I don't think I can beat or improve his designs. So, his blueprints are probably the best solution, if you aim just for efficiency and let's say routine and you don't want to bother with hours spent on solving something which had been already done better. On the other hand, if you want to have fun, or you don't aim for quickly and most efficiently built base, you can always spent said hours and .... simply have fun with that. Plus most importantly, I cannot recommend more to make own solutions a production lines ESPECIALLY when the player is unexperienced one. It might not working on first go (it probably won't :) ), but it helps you to understand how things work, why is some specific part where it is, etc. There is probably nothing worse, then just download an unknown blueprint, place it on the ground and trying to figure out, how to build it (mostly without robots). Player will probaby make mistakes there and without knowledge, it will be a nightmare to find that mistake in the system he has no clue about. Also expanding such line, or connecting it with other will be very frustrating without understanding of how is it working.
@@Zaspar To a certain point. The error that I think many make is that they blindly use blueprints and don't understand how or why they work. They just stamp it down and don't look back on it. What I have liked about Nilaus videos coupled with the blueprints is that they work for multiple stages of players, and if you fully watch the video, you know exactly why everything is done the way it is. Also a caveat to blueprint builds - just having good blueprints doesn't just automatically make you a good base. There is tons of other layout and supply issues the player using them needs to solve. For quite a few people, that scratches the itch of problem solving and is enjoyable, they don't need to or want to have to reinvent the wheel. This is an area I think Factorio exceeds in via the community and blueprints. It can be as accessible as you want and can be dialed in to be exactly the experience you aim to have. No way is worse or better, they are just different.
What I like to do is wire all chests together. And wire all output inserters together. Then you can set the desired amount with constant combinators. Either by setting the amount as a negative or by multiplying each signal by -1
I like where you are going with this. One thing I do is have my engine making output to a chest which then is drawn down by loco's and pumps. It messes up the neat lines of your build, but also allows for a bit of buffering.
While I myself prefer "hub" to "mall" for the logical reason you described, I can't help but get a "I'm not a baker; I'm a _bread scientist"_ feeling from the intro. Similarly, many librarians eschew "librarian" in favor of "so many other titles" because the original term isn't masculine enough. Hopefully I'm reading too much into this and I'm just shell-shocked from the culture war in the US. I'm a fan of both you and KatherineOfSky and hope you two are getting along. I look forward to your reply, and hope you're staying well.
Wow, things must have gone REALLY bad between them on those previous gameplays together. That being said: I don't like drama, so I won't dig too much into it.
Definitely gonna bookmark this video for a revisit in a few days when I want to design my own hub. One immediate quip, laser turrets are my favorite form of defense because I don't have to ferry ammo around. Just a power line to the borders. So it is kind of sad to see them omitted....I actually hate gun turrets lol they are always running out of ammo when I'm not big enough yet to automate filling them up, I always only use them as a short term until I can get better defenses haha
This kind of thing is why I'm a strong advocate that players should *personalize* their designs for 'hub' builds. Using or not using combinators is another reason. Designing one that has the items that fit a player's playstyle is much better IMO than a 'one-size-fits-all' approach.
I got my first rocket making my own painfully huge main bus with every material on it but now I'm trying to get more efficient, this blows me away how much you fit into a small area.
Hey, Nilaus. Thanks for your videos, they are really appreciated and renewed my interest in factorio. This hub design also exceptional and probably one of the best out there. It really covers anything that's not related to science/rocket launch for all but the largest megabases, however i feel like there are 2 things that are missing and aren't detrimental or complicating to the design. Having artillery turrets and landfill in the vacant 2 places on the last row of the third part of the hub would mean that besides T3 modules, solar power, cliff explosives, military robots and ammo the hubs cover everything, which would leave very little to future optimization.
Hubs are definitely more practical than the eye sore mall of everything together. One of my pet hates is large amounts of assemblers missing recipes because they haven't been researched yet.
As an alternative to the supply chest upgrade, I suggest buffer chests. The inserters inserting into the buffer chests have a rule on them to only insert if there are not enough items in the network. The buffer chests request the item instead of the supply chest filter. This means that items are taken to the buffer chests if needed, whereas the supply chest filter means the items are taken whether they are needed there or not. This may cause unnecessary bot traffic. Both methods work of course, and supply chests are available earlier in the research tree.
I am usually against premade blueprints, but this actually is very tempting to use, as I really like its upgradability / tiers, and does show a lot of attention to details. Amazing work on this! However I think maybe the hub 3 (power, chemicals and trains) should be split into two separate ones?. I find the hub 3 with so many different inputs might be sometimes hard to integrate into the base, especially if not using the bus. Also on a similar note I think it might be a bottlneck on plays with a lot of trains. Maybe a place for two rails assemblers? Not sure. It does work, but I find it a bit too big. The nice idea of smaller hubs is that if you don't have enough of components, you just scale by using two hubs of the same type. Useful when you expanding very quickly or doing multiplier.
He doesn't mention it specifically but I believe it's a prime spot for a roboport. I build all three sections of this hub beside each other and the roboport is able to provide a full logistics coverage to all the chests.
This is so great. Thank you for these Nilaus. What's next? Power systems? Circuits? Rocket parts? Any chance for builds for modules and mass producing solar and accumulators for those of us that use massive solar farms to power our base?
Yes, all of them, but one by one. Next will be Green/Red/Blue Circuits
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Thank you for this good video. I think cars would be very nice to be included (maybe instead of the flame thrower - does sb use them?). Is this the newest version?
Thank you for wonderful masterclass series. One feedback I can provide you is that during recording, there is a tiny buzzing sound in the background. It is only active when you are speaking / recording.
On my last playthough I spent a week in the sandbox designing a millitary hub direticly adjasent to the first blue science. Intended to be built as soon as the jump start base was complete. It has explosive shells, gas bombs, cliff explosives, and of course a spare tank. Haveing thus won the war agist the biters I then built a base with city blocks, built these hubs, nuclear power, and only used electric smeltors from that point forward.
I don't know if you keep up with comments on older videos but I would really appreciate it: I'm always unsure when to add what on the main bus. This is especially obvious when I think about building something like this hub because I just don't know if it's worth weaving these modules into earlier parts of the bus or if I should just plan ahead enough so I use the first part of the bus for producing everything that needs to be on it. With the latter, I would have a filled bus with all base materials and then a hub and everything else seems easier cause I don't need to figure out stuff like "Oh wait, on the other side of the bus I'm gonna produce red circuits but that's not done at this spot so I'll have to push the hub back until I have that" Do you have a general approach for that or an order that has proven itself as the most useful?
You are commenting on the HUB video about planning the Main Bus. Have you watched my Main Bus Master Class? I feel that your questions are addressed in that video. Also "there is no shortcut to experience"; you got to get your own feel for the game as you play it
I have way less experience than you so am probably wrong about this, but since gears are twice as resource-dense as iron plates, it seems like you'd gain some efficiency if you add gears to the resource bus, produced elsewhere, and pipe them directly into the hubs. Now your base should need need fewer belts in total and have smaller hubs since they don't need to do gear production on-site.
I love this series. Very clear explanation on things and very clear and concise reasoning on how it is laid out. Wish I could watch the live streams of the builds, but being Western US time zone makes it hard. Is there a plan for a military hub? I would like to see it in the same fashion as this.
@@Nilaus I guess I missed that when I watched it. I went back and rewatched it and I caught that. Thank you for putting together such a great build series.
@@stephenbeale9520 A military hub is very beneficial relatively early on when playing a death world. Always something I create to produce turrets and ammo on mass. Then I have the ammo sent around my base on belts. All demolished once laser turrets are unlocked and constructed though.
This is good stuff. One thing I've always found lacking (especially on multiplayer maps) is an armory. It would be a hub, but just for personal protection and mobility. So, it would build armor and everything that goes into it as well as personal ammo/lasers and tanks and cars. It could also build the turrets used for turret creeping up to a biter base since you're already wanting to build personal laser defenses here. This would be a great blueprint to be able to stamp down in 2 or 3 upgradable prints like you did the base hub.
@@Nilaus Oh, also it would be good to build things like nukes here since those are shoulder-fired missiles. Most of the armory can be bot-based, probably. In another hub could be the arsenal. This is where artillery pieces (wagons and stationary) are build as well as their shells.
It would be very relevant in a death world where you have to divert a percentage of your production to military, but it feels like a waste because you're not supposed to consume them, haha
Even in SP I like to make the mk1 versions of shields, batteries, and personal robotports in the hub so they are available to quickly hand-craft the few upgraded versions needed for the entire game.
This HUB thing is the shit. Forget MALLs guys! Love the build, BUT I have a single complaint to make: the usage of iron chests. At that stage of the game where you build the first version of the first part, you will have steel researched already. Make some steel chests. The explanation is that you can recycle steel chests, but iron chests are waste of material. EDIT: There are some other things missing besides the mentioned ones. Hazard refined concrete, walls, gates, electric engines, robot frames, logistic/construction robots. I usually like building these in the MALL as well, cause I need them for base building. Although some of them are being produced for science, I don't like taking stuff from there. What is for science, stays for science. What I consume has to be separate not to affect science production.
Looks at Nilaus video on phone, looks up at screen, feels like a proud child that built a sand castle on the beach with a bucket as the crowning feature looking at a real house. I wrote that in reverse of what I meant I think. Nilaus is the homeowner, I am sand castle kid.
4:30 when you pull from the bus to the hub twice, why do you need to balance it after each time? Why not balance once, after pulling from both? Would pulling the second time possibly not get enough throughput?
This is a great toolbox to have! But what is the advantage of using storage chests (with logistics filter + circuit wizardry) over just using passive provider chests with a set limit on items? Is that only so bots will return the items to the relevant chest?
I've been getting started with Factorio lately and while these videos are helpful, I feel that they focus a lot on blueprints rather than the actual mechanics of what the blueprints are doing. I play on my Steam Deck, with controller, and I haven't figured out how blueprints work yet, but I still like the idea of building things myself rather than pulling stuff off the internet
This is so great! Only things I am wondering about are why not change the logistic chests when you first start making logistic storage chests. Also, would it be possible to have where the tank factory is to have it build cars prior to upgrade?
Good point about logistics chests. It is easy to do anyway, but using upgrade planner to change them and then with Shift stamp the T3 blueprint on top to set the logistics filters
I don't like to use blueprints for all my builds, but I thought watching your idea of a hub was really interesting. I've been wanting to try breaking mine into groups based on inputs like this as well. It seems pretty strange that you would upgrade all the belts in all 3 hubs when it's not necessary, though. That seems like a waste of a lot of iron.
I never had the idea to build these. I always just snatch off my production lines for other things; this takes a good while... xD Good video, have been watching your death world game: very exciting!
Where are all the items coming from when you build? I see them streaming from the bottom left of your screen? Also where is your character? And how can you build so fast without drones?
Just a idea why not put first inserters before belts so you have always the inserters made if you use them and so can the remain gears always eaten up by belts
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What's about Laser Turret hub ?
Do you plan on updating this for recipe changes since? Medium power poles use copper cables now, for example.
@@terakahn the workaround i found is to remove the turret assembler and filter out copper from the belt, then put the cables in the place of copper (you can do that by moving the underground belt forwards one space and putting a splitter between them, then simply connect the belt to the side). it's not pretty but it works. and you can automate turrets someplace else, their recipe is not that complicated
Designing hubs is quite difficult, but I think you've done a fantastic job, especially with the 3 tiered approach. Very well done indeed Nilaus!
Ive been using those blueprints for months, since i found them on a public server. I just realized they came from here! Gg mate
I used to hand-craft my science just trying to get to construction bots so I could tear my base down and attempt to build a mega base as fast as possible, but now I'm making jump start bases and using busses and crafting hubs. Thank you for the content you produce and for the hours you spend developing all of these blueprints and strategies. You really helped me elevate my Factorio playthroughs
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Amazing video, absolutely loved this and should be recommended to more people!
Best intro ever. "This is not a mall. This is a hub. A mall is a suburban commercial hellhole full of useless stuff. I don't wanna build that in my base."
I love the banter him and KoS hides in their videos
It was cringe
@@KamikazeCommie501 you're cringe. he's correct.
@@goku445 You only think that because you're 15.
@@KamikazeCommie501 I probably have more than twice your age.
You Sir are the guy I watched to get my first rocket up during quarantine. These master classes are so well thought out, modest and easy to follow. I especially enjoy the neat layouts and upgrade options! Ty
Love the idea of tiers and how much planning ahead you illustrate. Great stuff!
i've just discovered this series and it has transformed the way I play and how I think about my factory. truly stellar work!
A little extra tip for new users: if you change the numbers of the circuit conditions that Nilaus has preset at the inserters for whatever reason (explained at 3:35), stamping down the next tier will overwrite your changes. To avoid that, just ugrade or downgrade the type of insterter used (to either yellow or green) in order to protect your value.
On another note Nilaus, you really should be more careful with your keys. Tank-engines are really expensive!
Regardless of your confession, this very clearly explained hub turned out to be great, esthetic and straightforward and will be a joy to have in a base. It is quite possible that I will use it in one of my games, regardless of my own designs ;)
THIS IS PERFECT. I was following the 1.0 series and I was beginning to go insane pausing the video and trying to copy your hub design, now I can at least stamp this blueprint down e follow the ghostys without having to spend double the time copyng from the video and actually playng the game. Thank you so much
Hi Nilaus, I don't know if you will come back to this but the recipe has changed for med and large power poles, they take copper wire instead of copper plate now, might change your design slightly haha
Yeah I noticed that as well. I just spagghetti'd with red underground belts. Works for me.
@@epicduckyman Same dude, it always ends up the same, i use a load of blueprints from Factorio-tubers, then it slowly devolves into Spagghetti XD
If anyone uses this as a template after the release of space age, it no longer works perfectly because they changed some of the recipes. For example the medium power pole now requires copper wire instead of copper plate.
I moved medium pole to decider combinator, gun turret to medium pole, and decider combinator to gun turret.
@@2tom how did you route copper cables to decider combinators after those changes? Im trying to figure out something that will look neat and just can't
@@carbonitium1 I moved Decider Combinator to the spot between the other two combinators. Probably messes up something later, but works for now...
In case someone is interested, I was able to fairly easily rework the blueprints to account for the removal of green and red wires, and filter inserters. I'm pretty sure I can't share any links in comments, but here's a description of the changes.
The only truly broken thing are the power poles. With them now taking copper wire, the only craft left in this section which requires copper plates is the turrets. So I just moved the turrets to section 3 (chemical/train). I moved the pumpjacks down one (replacing the tanks) and put the turrets in their place. Now back to section 2 we can replace the half belt of copper plates with copper wire (flipping the inserters on the wire assemblers), and everything works. We just need to bring in a belt of copper plates to the top of the wire assemblers to feed them. Keeping both the underground of copper wire and the new half belt works well, no need to change anything else.
I've made other changes to make the blueprints more compact to account for some crafts being removed. Note that this has the effect of putting some expensive crafts like beacons, roboports and gun turrets, earlier in the chain, which may lead to a resource shortage further down the line. I just don't like having empty spaces.
1) For the insert/belt sections: the radar and electric mining drill production can be moved to replace the filter inserters. The repair packs can be moved to the chemical/train section under the iron stick to free up that row.
2) After the removal of red and green wire crafts, with minimal changes, substations, roboports, and beacons can respectively be moved to replace green wire, red wire, and the previously empty spot between constant combinators and speed modules. Since turrets were moved to 3) I replaced them with an extra iron stick so that medium and big power pole can each get a dedicated supply.
3) As previously mentioned, pumpjacks were moved one down to replace tanks, and turrets were put in their place.
@@Camerault I would be very happy to get a BP of that. Did you upload it onto factorioprints maybe?
I've come back to this video about 20 times, there's always something to learn here
Amazing, thank you for sharing! I'm still new to Factorio (~150h) and I enjoy mostly creating my own solutions. But this was very educational and inspiring!
This is so well designed! Very impressive!
Your builds are always so gorgeous!
Even though spaghetti works just as well.
This hub is a godsend. Holy crap, just looking it over and reverse engineering it is gonna be so good to get some mechanics and build ideas down. Thanks man.
You always have beautiful builds. This is very different from the wheel I saw on Twitch a while ago, as it was obviously far from done. Thanks for the great blueprints once again!
I was sitting there wondering why the hell he would wire the inserters that way, when I normally just put a limit on the chests. Then I learned about logistics filter on the storage chests and everything suddenly made so much sense...
Good base, well done. My only comment would be, for the engines, to use a buffer chest instead of a long inserter. This way the assembler can run longer, which lets the other assemblers refill their buffers faster. It also gives a spot if you need to grab engines for handcrafting (I can't think of any now, but my mall also has electric engines, which I use to handcraft power armor).
So I caved and ended up using those blueprints in my deathworld. Was having a hard enough time already, figured that setting all this up myself would take for ever. Really complete designs, very happy. Thanks a bunch
Coming back to this I still find it insanely useful. You're truly the king of automation games.
16:14 Solar panels can go in the empty spot. They require green circuits, steel and copper plates. Although you probably want more than just one assembler can produce. But if you just want a few solar panels to power small radar outposts it is fine. It takes only 5 panels to have a daytime Radar outpost.
It only takes 1 solar panel for a daytime solar outpost that very rarely scans any sectors.
I've been loving your Master Class videos! Do you have a checklist of different aspects you're going to be covering? I'd love to see one on mining/smelting - especially as it pertains on when/how to upgrade them efficiently as well as a video on power - comparing solar to nuclear, efficient layouts, and ideas on when to transition from base steam boilers to something more beneficial.
Thank you. I am noting ideas when I see them. Like here :) I want to cover the "basics" first to allow new players to have guides for every part from start to rocket launch, from there I will dive into more obscure topics.
Smelting/Mining is a good suggestion and so is the various power options
@@Nilaus i think a very good/important and difficult video could be trains and rails! i always struggle with them! mostly copying some railprints und un/loading stations, but not always fitting my basestyle and then i feel bad! ^^
I decided to modify your blueprint. You tend to put the road near the bus and I've chosen to do the same thing, so it just does not make sense for the gear machines to be the closest thing to the road. I punted them to the back for better accessibility until you reach the point where you actually have access to bots and can just get things delivered. That also shortened the circuit belt. I'll probably do the same with the rest of the hub designs.
I must say I seldom lose the keys to the tank. Much more often I find the tank falls apart around me and then I have to walk back to the base. Often while being nibbled on.
This looks like a very simple and elegant Make Anything, and the tiers are thought out too. I would wander off with it in a wing-beat, If only I wasn't a sucker doing a Bobs run, where I need oh so much more complexity :)
Thanks,
I am back! and doing a much more vanilla run... Time to waddle off with a Make Anything blueprint ;)
Well designed and a great build, Nilaus! I've noticed the filter for the red belt storage chest (Hub #1, level 3) is set to red undergrounds, instead of red belts.
I love all these tutorials. It's as easy as putting down a blueprint and building that. Thanks
Replaying Factorio after a year and I naturally find myself rewatching your videos :)
I've designed a few hubs in my time playing Factorio but I think some of the ideas you have here are excellent. It's very difficult to balance simplicity, organization, and progression but I think this is one of the best I've seen. Definitely gonna steal some ideas from you, haha.
I still come back to these videos to get ideas for my designs. But really they are just your designs but I switch minor things out. Thanks and I watch you on Twitch sometimes also. Great stuff.
I love the designs. I think i'm going to try to modify them adding solar panels and accumulators and see if i can make them "self-sufficient", just for fun. Keep it up, i love your videos
The main issue is that you need many assemblers for those if you want to build solar fields. They just aren't low volume items
that was a great video....i gained new perspectives/ideas on how to improve my gameplay thanks a LOT!
Thank for making these episodes and this video in particular. I needed something that would create everything for me during a Lazy Bastard achievement hunt. Part of what was hampering my first attempt was the lack of a hub (or mall). I liked your design based on its simplicity and it was a bit easier to work with than the one I had seen from Katherine of Sky.
Before I put it to use, I adapted the design to suit my requirements and I tried to extract any military aspects and put them into their own designs. After I managed to earn my achievement, I realized that the design was too big to use during a speedrun. I trimmed it down to something that is more manageable and that only included what I needed in order to earn the There Is No Spoon achievement. Each of the three main blueprints are between 1 and 2 chunks in size and that includes the undergrounds that mark out the inputs for each transport belt.
Going forward, I will need to spend time creating my own upgrade paths for the different blueprints, so that I can change from wooden chests to steel chests and eventually logistic chests. Also, being able to swap out the electric poles will be nice, so that I can obtain better coverage. It will take some time to do, but it will be worth it in the end.
I have watched most of the rest of this playlist. The design for the column of steel furnaces for smelting steel gave me some ideas to create a new blueprint for my own use. Thank you for the inspiration.
Everytime I come across Nilhaus Factorio master series I start to play Factorio again.
That's so neat and elegant. I like to add two extra modules. A war module for ammo, explosives, turrets and a wardrobe module for power armour and attachments. I also get run over a lot and it's nice to just grab some gear and carry on. Do you not bother with walls? I guess you could attach a wall assembler next to the concrete flooring.
Guy on his second playthrough here. I don't have a "mall" either, it's more like a small business utopia. My manufacturing of base expansion goods is so far distributed into several places, with just goods that feed into each other (like inserters and belts) being bunched together. It works well so far, I seldom need to grab stuff from many places at a time, it's usually one or two kinds that I need to stock up on.
Excellent job. A lot of thought has gone into the designs and it shows a deep knowledge of the game and the life cycle of various parts of the base
This was a greatly anticipated (though I can only speak for myself) update to your base-in-a-box prints. Thanks as always for the time and effort you put into your work!
You can put the constant combinator in line with the Assembly Machines 1 and 2 so you make space for power switch beside lamp (for the Iron input)
Love how I can just copy the String and use everything in my own game. You made my life so easy
This is GOLD. Thanks for this!
I'm stubborn tho. I'll probably try and make my own design based on yours.
Definitely better to make your own than to copy blueprints from online...
@@Zaspar I agree. its fine to inspire yourself but in the end most fun is had if you figure this stuff out by yourself.
I paid for the whole game and I will play the whole game
@@deheinrich4785 In my opinion, both ways are good. Nilaus is one of greatest, if not the greatest masterminds in Factorio :), so I don't think I can beat or improve his designs. So, his blueprints are probably the best solution, if you aim just for efficiency and let's say routine and you don't want to bother with hours spent on solving something which had been already done better.
On the other hand, if you want to have fun, or you don't aim for quickly and most efficiently built base, you can always spent said hours and .... simply have fun with that.
Plus most importantly, I cannot recommend more to make own solutions a production lines ESPECIALLY when the player is unexperienced one. It might not working on first go (it probably won't :) ), but it helps you to understand how things work, why is some specific part where it is, etc. There is probably nothing worse, then just download an unknown blueprint, place it on the ground and trying to figure out, how to build it (mostly without robots). Player will probaby make mistakes there and without knowledge, it will be a nightmare to find that mistake in the system he has no clue about. Also expanding such line, or connecting it with other will be very frustrating without understanding of how is it working.
@@Zaspar To a certain point. The error that I think many make is that they blindly use blueprints and don't understand how or why they work. They just stamp it down and don't look back on it.
What I have liked about Nilaus videos coupled with the blueprints is that they work for multiple stages of players, and if you fully watch the video, you know exactly why everything is done the way it is.
Also a caveat to blueprint builds - just having good blueprints doesn't just automatically make you a good base. There is tons of other layout and supply issues the player using them needs to solve. For quite a few people, that scratches the itch of problem solving and is enjoyable, they don't need to or want to have to reinvent the wheel.
This is an area I think Factorio exceeds in via the community and blueprints. It can be as accessible as you want and can be dialed in to be exactly the experience you aim to have. No way is worse or better, they are just different.
What I like to do is wire all chests together. And wire all output inserters together. Then you can set the desired amount with constant combinators. Either by setting the amount as a negative or by multiplying each signal by -1
These are life saving. Also loved the idea of automating tank production.
I like where you are going with this. One thing I do is have my engine making output to a chest which then is drawn down by loco's and pumps. It messes up the neat lines of your build, but also allows for a bit of buffering.
While I myself prefer "hub" to "mall" for the logical reason you described, I can't help but get a "I'm not a baker; I'm a _bread scientist"_ feeling from the intro. Similarly, many librarians eschew "librarian" in favor of "so many other titles" because the original term isn't masculine enough. Hopefully I'm reading too much into this and I'm just shell-shocked from the culture war in the US. I'm a fan of both you and KatherineOfSky and hope you two are getting along.
I look forward to your reply, and hope you're staying well.
First thing that came to my mind too. Is this a dig at KatherineofSky?
@@dirtybeatfreak Given some of his responses further down in the comments, yeah.
Wow, things must have gone REALLY bad between them on those previous gameplays together. That being said: I don't like drama, so I won't dig too much into it.
Definitely gonna bookmark this video for a revisit in a few days when I want to design my own hub. One immediate quip, laser turrets are my favorite form of defense because I don't have to ferry ammo around. Just a power line to the borders. So it is kind of sad to see them omitted....I actually hate gun turrets lol they are always running out of ammo when I'm not big enough yet to automate filling them up, I always only use them as a short term until I can get better defenses haha
This kind of thing is why I'm a strong advocate that players should *personalize* their designs for 'hub' builds. Using or not using combinators is another reason. Designing one that has the items that fit a player's playstyle is much better IMO than a 'one-size-fits-all' approach.
Really appreciate these builds Nilaus and community. Great work!
I got my first rocket making my own painfully huge main bus with every material on it but now I'm trying to get more efficient, this blows me away how much you fit into a small area.
Hey, Nilaus. Thanks for your videos, they are really appreciated and renewed my interest in factorio. This hub design also exceptional and probably one of the best out there. It really covers anything that's not related to science/rocket launch for all but the largest megabases, however i feel like there are 2 things that are missing and aren't detrimental or complicating to the design. Having artillery turrets and landfill in the vacant 2 places on the last row of the third part of the hub would mean that besides T3 modules, solar power, cliff explosives, military robots and ammo the hubs cover everything, which would leave very little to future optimization.
Hubs are definitely more practical than the eye sore mall of everything together. One of my pet hates is large amounts of assemblers missing recipes because they haven't been researched yet.
As an alternative to the supply chest upgrade, I suggest buffer chests. The inserters inserting into the buffer chests have a rule on them to only insert if there are not enough items in the network. The buffer chests request the item instead of the supply chest filter. This means that items are taken to the buffer chests if needed, whereas the supply chest filter means the items are taken whether they are needed there or not. This may cause unnecessary bot traffic. Both methods work of course, and supply chests are available earlier in the research tree.
I like the master class videos a lot! Great work! I'm impressed by both the presented builds as well as the quality of the youtube content. Well done!
I am usually against premade blueprints, but this actually is very tempting to use, as I really like its upgradability / tiers, and does show a lot of attention to details. Amazing work on this! However I think maybe the hub 3 (power, chemicals and trains) should be split into two separate ones?. I find the hub 3 with so many different inputs might be sometimes hard to integrate into the base, especially if not using the bus. Also on a similar note I think it might be a bottlneck on plays with a lot of trains. Maybe a place for two rails assemblers? Not sure. It does work, but I find it a bit too big. The nice idea of smaller hubs is that if you don't have enough of components, you just scale by using two hubs of the same type. Useful when you expanding very quickly or doing multiplier.
Nilaus and anyone else. For the open spot in the hub 2 tier 3(16:16). I would suggest putting a assembler for solar panels there.
He doesn't mention it specifically but I believe it's a prime spot for a roboport. I build all three sections of this hub beside each other and the roboport is able to provide a full logistics coverage to all the chests.
Thanks for your effort on creating useful content for the factorio comunity, your bps are nice
This is so great. Thank you for these Nilaus. What's next? Power systems? Circuits? Rocket parts? Any chance for builds for modules and mass producing solar and accumulators for those of us that use massive solar farms to power our base?
Yes, all of them, but one by one. Next will be Green/Red/Blue Circuits
Thank you for this good video. I think cars would be very nice to be included (maybe instead of the flame thrower - does sb use them?). Is this the newest version?
Loved this, especially the destinction between hub and mall lol
Thank you for wonderful masterclass series. One feedback I can provide you is that during recording, there is a tiny buzzing sound in the background. It is only active when you are speaking / recording.
Thanks, I will check it out
Manufacturing hubs indeed, and these builds are on the spot love em!
On my last playthough I spent a week in the sandbox designing a millitary hub direticly adjasent to the first blue science. Intended to be built as soon as the jump start base was complete. It has explosive shells, gas bombs, cliff explosives, and of course a spare tank.
Haveing thus won the war agist the biters I then built a base with city blocks, built these hubs, nuclear power, and only used electric smeltors from that point forward.
I don't know if you keep up with comments on older videos but I would really appreciate it: I'm always unsure when to add what on the main bus. This is especially obvious when I think about building something like this hub because I just don't know if it's worth weaving these modules into earlier parts of the bus or if I should just plan ahead enough so I use the first part of the bus for producing everything that needs to be on it. With the latter, I would have a filled bus with all base materials and then a hub and everything else seems easier cause I don't need to figure out stuff like "Oh wait, on the other side of the bus I'm gonna produce red circuits but that's not done at this spot so I'll have to push the hub back until I have that"
Do you have a general approach for that or an order that has proven itself as the most useful?
You are commenting on the HUB video about planning the Main Bus. Have you watched my Main Bus Master Class? I feel that your questions are addressed in that video.
Also "there is no shortcut to experience"; you got to get your own feel for the game as you play it
Do you have a battery set up anywhere then if you don't put it into your beautiful HUB?
Thanks for all your great videos! Amazing work.
I have way less experience than you so am probably wrong about this, but since gears are twice as resource-dense as iron plates, it seems like you'd gain some efficiency if you add gears to the resource bus, produced elsewhere, and pipe them directly into the hubs. Now your base should need need fewer belts in total and have smaller hubs since they don't need to do gear production on-site.
Love these videos. Thanks for making these!
Great series. Love it. Thank you for your time and effort.
cool designs and thanks for the blueprints, but how do the blue belts get to the blue underground belt factories?
Wish I had these blueprints when I did my lazy bastard run! Very clean setups as always!
I was thinking about creating a clear, simple design that's easy to implement, my head hurt after 15 minutes, so thank you for the designs!!!
I love this series. Very clear explanation on things and very clear and concise reasoning on how it is laid out. Wish I could watch the live streams of the builds, but being Western US time zone makes it hard. Is there a plan for a military hub? I would like to see it in the same fashion as this.
No need for a Military Hub since Ammo, Grenades and Walls are made as part of the Military Science build that is included in my Science Master Class
@@Nilaus I guess I missed that when I watched it. I went back and rewatched it and I caught that. Thank you for putting together such a great build series.
@@stephenbeale9520 A military hub is very beneficial relatively early on when playing a death world. Always something I create to produce turrets and ammo on mass. Then I have the ammo sent around my base on belts. All demolished once laser turrets are unlocked and constructed though.
I removed my spaghetti mall today and replaced it with your hub blueprints, it's so much cleaner now :)
Awesome tips, will use on my next playthrough when 1.1 releases
Outstanding job, but how about batteries for example ? It is another item with high demand in large quantities. Or various types of ammunition.
This is good stuff. One thing I've always found lacking (especially on multiplayer maps) is an armory. It would be a hub, but just for personal protection and mobility. So, it would build armor and everything that goes into it as well as personal ammo/lasers and tanks and cars. It could also build the turrets used for turret creeping up to a biter base since you're already wanting to build personal laser defenses here. This would be a great blueprint to be able to stamp down in 2 or 3 upgradable prints like you did the base hub.
I can see the point in MP since more people need it, but I never bother with it because they are only crafted once
@@Nilaus you don't die as much as I do. Nice to have some backup stuff.
@@Nilaus Oh, also it would be good to build things like nukes here since those are shoulder-fired missiles. Most of the armory can be bot-based, probably. In another hub could be the arsenal. This is where artillery pieces (wagons and stationary) are build as well as their shells.
It would be very relevant in a death world where you have to divert a percentage of your production to military, but it feels like a waste because you're not supposed to consume them, haha
Even in SP I like to make the mk1 versions of shields, batteries, and personal robotports in the hub so they are available to quickly hand-craft the few upgraded versions needed for the entire game.
This HUB thing is the shit. Forget MALLs guys!
Love the build, BUT I have a single complaint to make: the usage of iron chests. At that stage of the game where you build the first version of the first part, you will have steel researched already. Make some steel chests. The explanation is that you can recycle steel chests, but iron chests are waste of material.
EDIT: There are some other things missing besides the mentioned ones. Hazard refined concrete, walls, gates, electric engines, robot frames, logistic/construction robots. I usually like building these in the MALL as well, cause I need them for base building. Although some of them are being produced for science, I don't like taking stuff from there. What is for science, stays for science. What I consume has to be separate not to affect science production.
Like it very much, very well done, be sure I'll use right now in my game play and the future ones, nice building!!
Looks at Nilaus video on phone, looks up at screen, feels like a proud child that built a sand castle on the beach with a bucket as the crowning feature looking at a real house. I wrote that in reverse of what I meant I think. Nilaus is the homeowner, I am sand castle kid.
Love your videos! Very inspiring. How long did it take to design this?
4:30 when you pull from the bus to the hub twice, why do you need to balance it after each time? Why not balance once, after pulling from both? Would pulling the second time possibly not get enough throughput?
My mans out here teaching better than college professors
This is a great toolbox to have! But what is the advantage of using storage chests (with logistics filter + circuit wizardry) over just using passive provider chests with a set limit on items? Is that only so bots will return the items to the relevant chest?
Nilaus making so I dont have to think so much yet again! Thanks
I've tried to design my own. Well...trying to. Nilaus' is still superior.
Great video! I need to sit down and finally build myself a Hub.
I've been getting started with Factorio lately and while these videos are helpful, I feel that they focus a lot on blueprints rather than the actual mechanics of what the blueprints are doing. I play on my Steam Deck, with controller, and I haven't figured out how blueprints work yet, but I still like the idea of building things myself rather than pulling stuff off the internet
The way I'm looking at your bus lines ... there are major choke points at every hub split, halving the throughput .
This is so great! Only things I am wondering about are why not change the logistic chests when you first start making logistic storage chests. Also, would it be possible to have where the tank factory is to have it build cars prior to upgrade?
Good point about logistics chests. It is easy to do anyway, but using upgrade planner to change them and then with Shift stamp the T3 blueprint on top to set the logistics filters
I don't like to use blueprints for all my builds, but I thought watching your idea of a hub was really interesting. I've been wanting to try breaking mine into groups based on inputs like this as well.
It seems pretty strange that you would upgrade all the belts in all 3 hubs when it's not necessary, though. That seems like a waste of a lot of iron.
brilliant work!
you just saved me from days of life time :D
i just had to add a few things
Why are there no solar panels on Hub 2? There's an open spot for an assembler that would fit those well.
great stuff i use those, though i add walla, artillery and gates to last one
I never had the idea to build these. I always just snatch off my production lines for other things; this takes a good while... xD
Good video, have been watching your death world game: very exciting!
Eyy Nilaus, have you tried the Side Inserters yet?
They're a great and easy-to-use tool for faster designs.
That would ruin all designs for the 99.9% who do not use that particular mod
I am hoping a master class on wiring is coming soon. I want to program my own logistic trains.
Where are all the items coming from when you build? I see them streaming from the bottom left of your screen? Also where is your character? And how can you build so fast without drones?
Just a idea why not put first inserters before belts so you have always the inserters made if you use them and so can the remain gears always eaten up by belts
Good idea :)
Never gets old.
Mr Nilaus! You are doing excellent work!