Royal Enfield how to tell an Indian Bullet from a British one.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2017
- If a Bullet has the big bolt running through the frame above the gearbox, it's an Indian one, no matter what a seller might try to say. Poor film quality, but if it stops one person getting ripped off it will be worth it.
Thanks for the video man! Saved me from getting scammed on a "1950's" Enfield.
Thanks - glad to have helped!
I had a 1988 Indian bullet for many years and was informed by the owners club that having indicators is the first and most obvious sign that it is made in India.
"Look out for the big bolt, that's my advice." - Thank you! Very enjoyable videos
Just let it idle on the tarmac if there is oil dripping its British
British bikes don't leak oil if they are put together properly.
Lol
Clearly ur a delusional Indian... British bikes are made to last forever
Indian Royal Enfield has oil leakage issue's frequently.
My 2002 ks 500 hasn't, but my fork seals are starting to seep.
Thank you India for keeping the legacy of Enfield still alive now about the bolt it was made in India for stronger frame as the the British frames were breaking after years of usage. Nevertheless the grey market is also developing so called British frames you will not be able to make out my advice to the buyer if they want genuine english stuff then go for flying flea, meteor constellation which are available for sale in India.
There are other ways to spot an Indian Bullet, even if they were to mimic the British frames.
Thanks for the info nearly got caught myself on that one.
clear cut information by the uploader..like it british bikes had a round frame with no nut bolts in it.
Another big give away, is that all the Indian machines were fitted with the earlier type of frame. In the 1950s Redditch shipped all the jigs to Indian when they upgraded their frames. All the British bikes had the new frame from the late fifties, whether it was a twin cylinder Interceptor or a single cylinder Bullett. So if you are offered a 1965 Bullet that is claimed to be British, it will have the new type of frame, if it has the old type, as all the bikes in this video had, it's either an early fifties British bullett or a later Indian one. Also the unit construction singles had a frame that looked identical to the new type of frame, though smaller.
There is no such thing as a 1965 Redditch Bullet, either. Full stop.
Very good Paul Thanks.
hi paul have a word with Tom Bray dating officer from royal enfield owners club , uk factory ledgers show bikes with g2 engine and frame numbers being supplied from the uk factory up untill august 1968 , ive imported many old g and g2 models from india ,although very unusual to find one that is all original as indian people tended to constantly update there bikes every few years with new guards, wheels , tank, etc , the switch from round tube frame came about on frames in 1959 on export machines ,although for 59 its self there was a round frame all welded {no castings} frame made this was followed by the bolt up frame ,seeing how many round framed bikes ive seen in india that have been welded at that point i would suggest the bolt up frames to have been introduced because they are stronger , fakes are made in india i have seen frames being restamped with g2 numbers ,but i have also seen many genuine bikes stamped g2 with bolt up frames ,no one really knows if the all welded bolt up frames where actually made in india or the uk , the engines ,wheels and gearboxes and some other parts certainly where from the uk and the g2 frame numbers are definatly recorded in the comprehensive factory ledgers as being sent to madras from redditch {madras motors acted as import agent } up untill august 1968 , the slow change from english to indian came about over many years with the last component being supplied from the uk in 1981 {the alloy conrod was being supplied untill then by matt holders company who then owned the bulk of the royal enfield stock and name} my personal opinion is that the bolt up frames where actually made in india as it would have been relatively simple for the indian agent to have these made and that they where then stamped with the engine number supplied on the british made engine ,hence matching numbers on indian bullets , someone somewhere must know what really happened and given the interest in enfields in both uk and especialy india im sure someone who worked at enfields must know what happened,
Hi Dean, Tom Bray saw this video and thanked me for making it. The frames with the big bolt are all from India. I wouldn't touch a bike with more than one set of numbers stamped on it - certainly on the frame, but each to their own.
all the indian1960s models have more than one frame number the EI number was stamped by the indian factory {enfield india}, i just dont understand why the english factory records show g2 bolt up frames frames being exported to madras as late as 1968 ,
British RE frames changed shape in 1956, to a shape not found on Indian machines. Any frames sent to India of the earlier shape must have pre dated these later ones, which were used to the end by Redditch. I think Redditch were too busy going down the pan by 1968 to worry about reworking an earlier frame design for India by putting the big bolt in. I have also read [but cannot confirm] that Velocette were making the frames for R.E. Redditch from 1956 onwards, ie Redditch were not making their own frames by then - but please check on this last remark before taking it as set in stone ! All that said, there are often numerous Indian Bullets being offered for sale as 'British', when they clearly are not and this is what I am trying to illustrate with this video.
modern enfields have a credit card style registration document but the older ones from the 50s and 60s used a paper booklet type very similar to the type used in the uk back then, ive seen hundred of these over the years from states all over india and ive seen g2 models registered as late as 1973 with bolt up frames , some rusty old wrecks ive found in hedgerows are clearly stamped g2 as well as their EI number ,they cant all be fakes , somebody must know if these frames where made in india or imported as the redditch factory records would suggest ,i think a lot of people out there would like to know for there own curiosity
so the big bolt is the most valuable part in bullet which can tell us about wheather its brit or indian . have aa torch atleast while showing i couldnt see anything tho it cleared my doubts
This info was useful
I had a Reditch Royal Enfield 350 Bullet back in the 50ies and the biggest difference I can see is mine had the dynamo on top of the magneto so the timing case is different
It's just snobbery, doesn't matter which country built it, it's a damm fine motorcycle.
The Indian bikes are ok, I have two - one features in this clip, but they are just not as well made as the British ones and some people try to make a fast buck by passing off a more recent Indian machine as an older and more valuable, British one. If I can help only one person avoid being ripped off, I will be happy with that.
@@paulhenshaw4514 I see that Paul, and more power to your elbow. I just question the validity of the 'British is best' attitude. It's not hard or expensive to rebuild an Indian Bullet to a good standard and they become a better machine than the Redditch models, (unless Positive Earth 6V electrics and magnetos are your bag). :)
Nice one Paul! Not that I'm ever going to buy another Enfield - Brit or Indian - but I enjoyed your clearly passionate presentation!
Would I be wrong in guessing you get asked about once a month "Paul, is it really a Brit?"
;-)
Hi Matt, what really gets me wound up is when someone is trying to sell what is basically just another old Indian Bullet as some sort of 'special order' machine from Redditch, usually from after Bullet production in the U.K. ceased, when it clearly isn't and they bleat on with all sorts of made up nonsense to try and justify their B.S. and vastly inflated asking prices. It is nothing short of robbery and if I can help in any way to stop it, I am more than happy to oblige!
Hi Paul
Credit to you then mate.
I'm sure would-be owners doing some research will find your video valuable.
I was just browsing around and watching out of general interest.
Cheers
Well done Paul, i have seen a few on Ebay, i even went to look at one, 150 mile round trip and when i got there it was obviously an Indian made job, really annoying.
nice export modal your bullet best is courbotor amal I haw 110 royal enfield 1958 to 2017
Very good sir.. Thanks.
Thank you!
The three screw breather tubed bullets are all made in England...
U can go for that...
I have one... born in England and brought up in Indian Army😄😄
1966 model...
Indian built ones with Redditch engines fit that description, and they were not made in Britain after 1962. If it was built after that it was built in India.
@@paulhenshaw4514 yes thank You
British Make quality was far better than today s India make. India make is more of money minded than quality minded.
Very true.
Wtf bro But it is a legend bike in India
Sir pls make the video in light
These motorcycles were the first bikes in India , It doesn’t matter if its British or Indian
Its still a Royal Enfield to me ,Thanks for the video Mate .
It matters when there is a big difference in value between British and Indian machines and you have people trying to pass off Indian machines as British, to make a profit. Buyer beware !!!
Paul Henshaw Hey Who’s doing what I am certainly not doing this and I don’t know anyone who is selling 1960s REs
There might be a huge difference because British Made ones are older because they stopped their production in 70s
And its not a problem with India , Everywhere in the world people try to scam on Old antiques its just how the industry is , You Have to Be careful while purchasing and no one forcing you to buy one either.
Anyways You are propagating a good message “HOW NOT TO BE SCAMMED” Wish you have used a *torch*
Thanks again for the video Mate.
It does happen. What the bikes are worth is not up to me, but the British ones are definitely better, older and more sought after, so I suppose some are going to be tempted to pass an Indian one off as British from time to time.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Hi Paul ...been watching your videos for past 2 weeks as I am impressed by your knowledge. You have tremendous knowledge and thats why I even asked a question which you promptly replied...thank you for that! However, seeing your videos and your COMMENTS, I have a point and I was thinking to say it but thought I am over thinking....but now I have to ask, The way you talk about INDIA and Indians, the tone says it all. You are still having a colonial mindset, and am not sorry to say so. Am shamelessly INDIAN, and a proud one. If British technology was so good, why you guys came to India on 24 Aug 1604 in the garb of a trading company and finally made a colony in 1858 till 1947? Isnt this a scam?? Making profits?? U are getting a lil bit of taste of your own game. Now are you not SORRY for that....what was done for centuries?? Having knowledge is good but ridiculing my country certainly not!! Calling Indian Bodged work and Indians making profits by passing Indian made Bullets. It's a shame.....Your country looted everything from here...isn't it? Think about it. Just too bad....Mr Siddharth Lal owns Royal Enfield and TATAs own Jagua Land Rover now, just too bad Mr Rishi Sunak is PM....Karma!
@@siddhantbaranwal5339 Who's doing what is certainly not our business....but what Britishers did to us is certainly our business. No one can ridicule our country with a colonial mindset the way Paul Henshaw has done.
Paul do you know best pace to go to check frame and engine numbers to know what you have. Many thanks
Hi Neil, the REOC would be the best bet, but if that big bolt is present above the gearbox, it will be Indian made.
@@paulhenshaw4514 thanks Paul it hasn’t got big bolt above the gearbox I’ve got 1963 trials 350 engine in clipper frame road registered lot of competition history but interested to check the frame and engine numbers out before I strip and rebuild. Great channel enjoy your videos though question about what Enfield you have got me thinking. Cheers.
Nice video 👌
But there is something in the world
Called a Torch 🔦
I have tried in my 5 speed gearbox videos, but it is difficult to hold a camera and a torch while filming, though, unless you are half octopus.
@@sajinksaji3202 Here is a much more recent and comprehensive video I made on this subject which will hopefully satisfy your needs for more light on the subject, please take a look and maybe consider dropping the sarcasm, after all, I am a motorcycle mechanic and restorer, not a film producer! My videos are what they are, you can take them or leave them, or even leave a 'Dislike' if you are sad enough.
th-cam.com/video/PCAgfPw4xhw/w-d-xo.html
Is these bikes have easy to take care
Nice one
Nice one mate, thanks
Plz start. The bike which is pure British
Hey Paul. eventhough it's Indian. till 1969 its g2 engine right. happy thumping.
Different frames to the Redditch bikes, though.
Hi Paul.. Thank you so much for the video. It was an eye opener for me. I am planning to buy an old G2. The present owner says it’s a 1965 RE. will you be able to help me identify if I send you the pictures of the bike that I’m planning to buy. I don want to end up buying a bullet which is not Britain. I’m unable to see clearly in your video. Please help me..
'!965' raises my suspicions. Try to get some pictures posted on the Hitchcocks message board.
Thank you so much Paul Will do it.
cant see
I know and that's why I made this video which is easier to see ... th-cam.com/video/PCAgfPw4xhw/w-d-xo.html
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