I really dig this video. I have used a altered series of in line old none working water heater tanks in the past. It really helped allow sediment to fall before hitting the operational one. It's not a full solution but really reduced my same issue in the past.
Any buildup that was in your pipes and appliances will take time and break down as you use the system resulting in larger pieces in your faucet screens. It will defiantly take some time for all the past damage to clear up.
Mine took a minimum of 5 years. Takes a long time and i have definate proof mine worked over time. My washing machine would malfunction due to limescale after ibinstalled this unit i could tell it malfunctions wayyyyy less often but it took years for it to take effect. And my hot water gets alot hotter. I had to turn down my hotwater heater
Almost twenty years ago we moved from a lake water area to a town that uses town wheal water that has hard water. Unaware of its effect and the need of water softener in the area after first year our dishwasher completely clogged up and broken down while the pipes began to clog up with scale build up all over the kitchen, washrooms toilets and faucets. I did some research regarding water softener and ended up using a electronic water descaler. The heavy scales in the washroom, faucets, inside the toilet tank and the buildup in the toilet bowls dramatically decreased after the initial clean up right after the installation after six months; however, I was still wondering how well it really worked throughout the entire house since we no longer have a dishwasher to show the difference. An year after the installation, our rental hot water heater tank broke down and I was wondering if it was caused by the hard water buildup and the electronic water descaler may not be enough to do the job; however, when the maintance person showed up and pull out the heating rod and it was perfectly clean without any trace of scale and the hot water tank was simply just broken down. The maintenance person was baffled since we did not have a water softener installed and had never heard of a electronic water descaler in his 30 years in the hot water tank business in our area. Least to say beside the minor wipe down and light regular scrub we no longer have any major hard water scale build up issue throughout the house since we installed the first unit and it actually slowly descaled all the scales in the water pipe throughout the entire house with an yearly electricity cost of about $7.00 drawing 5W/h only to operate it. five years later, I added a second unit onto the out going hot water pipe leaving from the hot water tank to add additional descale performance and have both units plugged into a backup battery unit as a safety measure and both are still running well to this day.
@@rustytrucksaustralia-graem4115 first one is called Scale Hammer but I don’t see them in the stores any more and the serving one Ed Eddy electronic descaler which is a very popular British company that ship worldwide comes with a guarantee refund policy.
@@2522james yes, it will take time to see results. It's little by little until one day I realized it's not an issue but a small maintenance of wiping down needed.
I appriciate your video and the testing you di. Did you happen to think the scale you were still seeing was the result of the pipes getting Descaled? I am asking because I had a similar situation and I waited longer. After a 6-8 month period of time I stopped having to clean off my screens in my water lines because all the rocks that were clinging to my pipes were cleaned out. Just a thought. Mine works well now.
He could setup a large bucket with a submersible pump and pump vinegar through the pipes, I do this to my tankless water heater every couple years and it works great. Just catch the vinegar from the faucet you're cleaning and reuse it for the next one.
This type of descaler needs 2 or 3 months to really show its effectiveness, especially with pipes as built up as yours, after which you will not notice anymore buildup in areas such as faucet ends and your pipes. What happens is the treated water will start to descale the the buildup in your pipes and will cause more of the rocky particulate during the first few months until it is all gone. After that the unit will prevent this buildup from happening. I have had one for 8 years and love it because it doesn’t add sodium to the water and it keeps the minerals in the water which is beneficial for the body if you are drinking and cooking with it. I may eventually get a water softener to prevent water spots on my faucets. But will leave my cold kitchen water unsoftened but descaled for this reason.
A water softener should be installed in a way so that unfiltered water can be mixed to the output. So you can adjust the hardness of your water to be optimal. No problems with showering then....
"I'm no scientist but I thought I'd try doing an experiment" ha ha.. I have news for you.. you are now a scientist, if you are doing experiments you are a scientist
@@wilcoxtactical3716 if I paint a thousand paintings and they all suck, am I a painter. If I build 2 homes am I a home builder? How about 7? 15? What if I build a 1,000? What is the magic number that makes me that thing? Answer: 1.
Monitoring the scale deposits at faucets and washer inlet was great test and answered my question about whether this kind of product works, I have used conventional water softeners for years and they are worth the cost if you really want to have soft water.
@@FarmDad Maybe you already installed a water softener but I would look into a TAC descaler (Template Assisted Crystalization) it doesn't add anything to the water or change the taste. I have hard water and had a new boiler put in. The installers put a small 3m descaler on the input of the boiler. I figured 3m doesn't sell pseudoscience products and the boiler people said it works. I looked into it and bought an AO Smith whole house descaler. I just installed it a couple of days ago so I can't say for sure if it works.
To let you know a modern water softner system has a monitor head to prevent the water from getting to soft. You know that feeling of washing your hands and it still feels like theres soap on you lol. Yea man I'm a plumber and can tell you those days are over. They even have systems these days that can handle hard and softwater for systems that have duel water supplies. Sounds strange but many people often have well and rural water for back up. Depending what water is being used will depend what filtering system it goes through. I got into all this as a software engineer and naturally become a hardware engineer to pair with it. Now I make my own automated solution boards to make plumbing products. I'm a full time plumber and learned all this on the side but it has been great to offer customers home automation for a fraction of the price.
My research using a electronic descaler says to install it near the source (well house) and install a traditional filter some 10-20 foot down the line. The way it works is the electrical field makes the sediment stick together. Then the filter catches it. After about an hour all the bonding created by the descaler will disapate and the water turns to normal but the "scale" is caught in the filter.
Interesting! The manual for this one did not mention that. I don't have it any more but I think it actually may have said it couldn't be too far from the heater.
@@FarmDad I think the problem my be more about time. You show multiple times the crud in the lines. Had you continued to run it for a month to 3 months it possible could clean out the pipes. These devices are a slow burn if you know what I mean. Really hard water may require 2 units. www.yarna.com/blogs/news/how-a-water-descaler-works
@@FarmDad Water that hard can be bad for your kidneys. If you have not tested your water to make sure the mineral content is safe I would do so very soon.
I found that my unit was actually dissolving the deposits that were already in the pipes, once they cleared In about 2-3 months all was great. I don't know how long your pipes had previously been in use.....mine were 30 yrs old.
The sand you are getting in the pipes is not going to be solved by a descaler. You should add a particle filter. These work by catching the particles while water is running and them dropping them down into a drain which you have to empty regularly.
The manual clearly states that any residue remaining would have been cleared out well before then. All fixtures were cleaned out from clogging many times during this 3 months. The scaling never improved.
I think Polyphosphate filter would help you to protect this issue before installing that you should install one more 5 micron sediment bag, this will help you to reduce the scaling issue. But this is a water conditioning method not a softener, if you want to make your water as soft water you should go with some ion exchange method, i think there is water softener available in Kent. But for a water softener method, you should do water regenerating technique using Rock salt. So do proper cost analysis and go with it.
Bought a different brand in 1995 out of Popular Mechanics and it softened the water a LOT. Never had a problem with rinsing off soap, but you don't have to use hardly any soap. Soap was invented because most everyones water was hard.
My first thought was that the pipes would build up and plug where the field was, wonder if a marine desalination setup could be adapted ? Likely very expensive. You could always distill it in the pumphouse, cleaning the system there while sending the distilled water on for consumption. Hope you will keep letting us know what you find that works or doesn't. Best of days to you and your crew Dad !
**IF** that were true, you would just need to install a typical 2 stage 5 micron filtration unit down stream of this descaler, or even just a regular Y strainer.
But doesn't a descaler remove scale already in the pipes? If that is the case which it should be if it works then it might take many months to get all of the scale out. It could appear as if it's not working even though it is.
I've read that if you have over 0.3 ppm iron in your water you need a filter for removing iron. The iron interferes with electromagnetic frequencies, just something else to check out.
Ive had this same unit for years. I believe it works but it isnt going to work that fast. It reduces limescale over time. My washing machine used to malfunction due to limescale buildup. It still happens but nowhere near like it used to. It took quite a few years b4 i noticed a difference. At least 5 years or more
You needed to try it on the backside of the water heater....i installed two the first one on an incoming line and the second was larger on the back side of our tankless heater. It worked.
I have same unit and i installed mine behind the water heater because that just happened to be where my main line came into the house and i did read that you will get faster results if you install b4 and after the water heater depending on how much water u use. It said if you use alot of water 1 unit is fine. And its true. I lived by myself for years and i can definately tell the difference ever since i let some family members stay with me (wash clothes every 2days) opposed to me by myself washing every 2 weeks or so
I dont have a tankless heater but i think ima install a 2nd on the hot line after the water heater since i already have one on the main line coming into the house
Simple solution for your drinking water: Install a whole house water softener (you wouldn't go back to hard water after 6 months). Then re-plumb the cold-water-side of the kitchen sink as a hard-water feed. Usually it's an easy swap back near the beginning of the plumbing. Then drink/cook water out of the cold-side of the kitchen faucet. Then you preserve the taste you like. Easy for a DIY guy to do. Or some people will run a brand new hard-water 1/2" line and install a separate "drinking water only" small faucet next to the kitchen sink fixture. Either way. The water softener will pay for itself eventually when you figure the time/energy to clean your tankless heater, or if you get a tank electric heater (you probably eventually will). Tankless are high maintenance, and a lot of no-hot-water hassles IMO... Best of luck!
I know you're against W Softeners, but they're actually kind of fun to fix (free ones) and play with. You have a little chemistry action happening in your mech room. In our rural area people literally toss perfectly good water softeners that anyone can pick up for free at our local recycling center (the dump). Esp in the spring/summer. Or local online ads there are often real cheap ones. The vast majority of time they just need cleaning and maintenance. The plastic beads inside last a long time in rural areas (beads don't like chlorine). I've taken some free softeners, that I've installed for relatives. Tip: get one with a separate salt tank. The all-in-one's salt-bridge a lot which is unnecessary goofing around. The wider the tank (18"+) the better -- no salt bridges. Manual control heads are just fine. You can dial them in (extend the time to recharge) for lowest salt use for your needs like an electronic head. Most people routine doesn't vary much, so if you optimize you can get it 'just right'. Or buy a new electronic head for $180 online. You're DIY, you'd probably like the mechanical nature of them. It's actually a valuable skill to have -- knowing how the different styles operate, & how to repair the different style heads. They're simple, but to most people they're voo-doo. I get a lot of questions on W/S's. I would probably get one with a plastic rotary head, or an older style with a cam & brass/rubber finger-valves. They can go a long time (decades?) w/o service. Parts are avail. Culligan's are good, but every few yrs the plunger seals should be lubed to prevent having to buy a new ($) plunger. Culligan parts are avail locally which is nice, but not particularly cheap. My buddy for 15 years didn't want one for xyz reasons. Mostly being bull-headed, which he freely admits. Then his wife made him put one in. Plus he got tired of hard water issues. Now, several yrs after he says he can't believe he resisted for so long. The slimy water is actually getting all the soap off. We all have things like that...me too :) Note: Have you tried a Calmat Electronic Anti-Scale unit? Menards sells them (maybe Lowes too??) ..if you have one near you.
Yep, i'd have left it for longer and waited for all the limescale to work its way out. The bonding just changes the way it sticks to a surface, it doesn't remove the calcium.
If the loose scale shown in the video began to appear AFTER installation, then the unit was likely working. It will breakdown the scale and chunks will flow downstream and accumulate and clog at restrictions.
Interesting, everything I have read states that conditioners clean preexisting scale in piping, potentially for many months, so it may appear worse at first, potentially causing clogs until the pipes are clean??
@@ajcampana I think we had this system in place for 5 months total and never saw improvement. My opinion is that's what the companies that make these descalers say to prevent people from returning them. We switched to a aqua pure scale inhibiting filter and it has worked great. No more scale problems.
I had an identical model but of a different brand. My hot water tank scaled up a couple of years after installation and had to be removed. Snake oil came to mind.
Snake oil is right. I wish these products weren't legal to sell - they can end up costing people thousands of dollars in repairs down the line, and could even pose a hazard with water heater overpressurization.
After discussing this with someone who owns a similar device for a longer period. I think the device is working and you have demonstrated that it does. 5:39 See the buildup in that tap aerator filter or at the inlet valve of your washing machine ? To me, that suggests it's working as it got the scale in the water to clump up where it could be caught in a filter. The reason there is so much of it is simply because of the volume of water that passes through. Now, the test, if this hypothesis works, is after you discontinued the use of the gadget whether you still see a similar amount of buildup within the same time period in your tap aerator filter and washing machine inlet as when you were using it?
That scale build up at 5:39 was the whole reason we purchased the device. This device was supposed to fix that issue and it did not. It was there before the device, with device, and after removing the device. However, once we purchased a 3m descaling filter, the scale build up lessoned considerably. I now recommend that over one of these if a full water softener is out of the budget.
@@johndoe-vc1we here you go. www.supplyhouse.com/3M-Aqua-Pure-AP43011-Aqua-Pure-AP430SS-Hot-Water-Heater-Scale-Inhibitor-System-AP431-Cartridge-Included?Shopping_tm&Shopping_TM_New_users&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiZqhBhCJARIsACHHEH8R1NAasZjavP-DmWlnwImQ-KQGgWKL6a34TvhwArTKfLiAp7_0p8caAvFwEALw_wcB
@@FarmDad thanks was looking for an appliance filter and found the same product. Aqua Pure AP43OSS The only info I cannot find is the upper limit of hardness that it can handle. It should handle your 14 gpg. What if hardness was more, say double. Found some reviews saying it did not work so well with the well water at 30 gpg I think the max for this unit is 20 gpg. Anything higher will require a different method.
@@johndoe-vc1we that sounds about right. It handles our hardness level, but we still experience a small amount of scaling. So 14 might even be at the upper limit for it.
So isn't that why you saw more scale still? It's breaking down all that old scale? I'd think you might need to run it several months to get everything cleaned out. Also what's the range? Some only work for 50 feet.
@@thenewfire according to the instructions, it should be done removing new scale long before the 3 month mark. We had this for 5 months and scale build up did not improve. This was in our barn that we are living in. Total run was less than 25 feet.
Unfortunately, these products have been on and off the market for decades and none of them are legit. There have been many studies on this method of water softening/descaling, but none of them found any significant change in water hardness or buildup. I'm surprised they gave you a full refund without putting up a fuss. There were also two flaws in your experiment. The first was that, even if the magnetic descaler worked, your water wouldn't be any softer. The supposed 'theory' behind these devices is that they somehow affect the minerals in the water in a way that prevents them from building up on surfaces (which clearly didn't work, go figure). There is no possible way to remove minerals from water without rerouting the water through something; the extracted minerals have to go somewhere, after all. The second flaw, and the reason it appeared that the water was softer, was that you simply added more detergent to the second bottle, thus allowing it to create more suds. Another potential factor was how long the first bottle sat before you shook it up a second time. There are other options out there for softening/descaling water without adding salt to it, but they are quite a bit pricier. One option is to simply replace the salt pellets with potassium, though you'll be spending about 4x to 6x as much per pound.
@@weblure a thing about the potassium is, do you really want to be taking showers with radioactive water? Yeah it's negligible amounts of radiation, and it is an alpha emitter, but honestly I'd stick with regular salt instead of potassium chloride.
I bought a GE water softener from Home Depot and installed it myself, best $400 dollars I ever spent. I have a 4 bedroom house. 2 humans, 3 dogs, 9 birds. I go through 20 bags of salt a year with extremely hard water. Costs about $200 a $400 a year for salt
According to the Scaleblaster installation material, you will notice an INCREASE in scale in your fixtures by 3 months and then it should not recur. Reason being that a lot of scale is coming off the plumbing during this time and some of that ends up in your fixtures. Thereafter you should not see it because your plumbing is clean.
According to the instructions for this unit, that should have been long over by 3 months. I suspect that verbiage is there purely to product returns during the return period. After all, this was a new building, so it didn't have long for scale to build up before this was installed.
@@FarmDad Depending on the hardness of water and strength of the electronic descale. There is also an effective pipe distance where the minerals solids are separated and recombined in the pipes. For most conventional units used for typical household with municipal water, that distance is around 50ft. This means beyond 50 ft of pipe from descaler, the minerals solids that are electronically separated starts to recombined back to solids again. This is the reason why most manufacturers recommend installing the descaling next to the input pipe to the water heater (rather than source of water line to the house, which might be too far). Given the hardness of the well water, conventional household descaler probably don't have enough power to completely break down the mineral solids. (These units will specification of how hard of the water that it can effetely process. You can buy meters to measure the water.). You might consider invest in an commercial / industrial higher power units for your application. But first might be a good idea to figure out how "hard" your well water is. Note that descalers don't removed the minerals from the water or change the hardness of the water. It applies an electric field to break down the solids and suspend the mineral particles in the the water. So that wen you are using the water it is not in a solid state where it can be deposited into scales. It would still be a good idea to use a water filter to filter out the mineral particles to reduce the chance of it recombining back into solids.
@@astroboy2345 unit is 15 feet from water heater. We have had our water tested and I forget the number, but it was very hard. We found that the 3M Aqua-Pure Whole House Scale Inhibition Inline Water System works much better. And it's even cheaper.
@@FarmDad Filtering water conditioning system is probably a better system for your well water. Reading more, it seems that well water that contains traces of iron and other minerals (not sure if that is the case for your) ends up inhibiting electronic descaling system from breaking down solids. Electronic systems are really designed water sources from municipal water systems. I am glad you found a system that works.
@@astroboy2345 aaahhh so i wonder if there just be something to using a siliphons filter AND an electronic descaler as well as some sediment filters at the appliances!
@@Thailova I forgot its privately made for costco by a big company out of AZ I think. And Costco will have a better warranty/return than anyone else, just walk in with it and get your money back. I seem to remember it was about $500 but it was it had better inlet/outlet sizes and a little bit bigger salt holding tank vs others for that price. It also did better measured times of dosing based on your hard water that you set the setting to.
Thanks for the video. The descaler doesn't soften your water it is supposed to keep scale from building up. You would have to use a softener to soften.. I was hoping you'd kept it longer. I wanted to see if the scale would eventually come off.
I think you may have tapped out too soon. I myself also have really hard water. My house has a spin down filter with a 50 Micron screens stainless steel then it goes to a sediment filter and then it goes to another charcoal filter. Then I put that Ed 2000 descaler at the end. My water pipes also is doing the same thing as your dishwasher your washing machine and all the appliances in the house is getting big chunks stuck on that prescreen on all the appliances. I myself paid $143 for the unit and I thought I got burned my self but then I let it run for about 4 to 8 months letting the descaler do its thing and after cleaning the aerators and the pre-screens on the washing machine and dishwasher thinking all the while what a fool I was spending that kind of money on a machine then all of a sudden the big chunks just disappeared on all my appliances pre filters I think what my problem was was my copper tubing was like an artery getting filled with cholesterol I needed to be cleaned out then as soon as it cleaned out my water is like great I can't believe how good that ED2000 ispring actually is working. The biggest difference for me now is my glass shower doors are clean my clothes washer takes a lot less soap to wash. My dish washer is the same a lot less soap and dishes more shiner cleaner when they come out of the dish washer I guess you would say they're not all wrinkled when they come out of the dryer and the biggest difference is is all my clear drinking glasses have a few little spots but they're not as bad as they were
Thanks for the video. I think you should get a regular water softener. You are not adding salt to your water. You are using salt water to flush the main filter that's all. I love the slick feeling of soft water. Here in Arizona, you can get buy a softener and with a basic install, the whole price is about $1200 - $1500.
No, it is adding some salt to the water. You are substituting salt for the existing minerals. It's chemistry. It will kill your plants over time from salt buildup in the soil.
You should have given it more time. I installed a scale blaster and it took weeks to get all of the scale out of all the pipes. My faucet screens were like yours but eventually cleared up.
We are just temporarily living in this barn so we don't want the expense of installing one here. Our house will likely get one, at least on the hot water side. I just installed a Aqua Pure Scale inhibitor system. Waiting to see how well that works.
Im not a water professional but I think you better to test your water first so you have an idea how hard its then make decision if you need install two Electronic Descalers even more...
That was all the crap stuck inside your lines it was working you just needed to clean it out. It was freeing and everything up that was stuck in there. At least that’s what the people that sell them say. Thank you
calcium and magnesium ions are replaced with sodium ions. And the more calcium and magnesium in the water, the more sodium used to replace it. So, yes, you do end up with more sodium in your water. And that should be considered for someone who has health concerns that require a low-sodium diet.
@jeffreyMagnum460 if it's treated correctly it absolutely does not make it taste bad if not make it taste better. The TDS after the water softener should only be about 10 higher than the raw water. Untreated well water is disgusting in my area where there's high iron and hardness.
@jeffreyMagnum460 but I also still wouldn't drink well water where I'm from because we're getting alot of arsenic and radon in the water here in Southern Maryland. I treat my water with a salt system but I don't drink the water. We use deer park 5 gallon jugs for drinking here.
Just get a good water softener. I know you "said" there are a couple reasons why you don't like them, but when I was a little child I didn't like wearing shoes, but I wore them anyways and glad now that I did. 😂
You should have flushed the whole house by pumping vinegar through the pipes one fixture at a time. If you have a tankless water heater you should have read that already that it is a maintenance procedure for a tankless water heater.
That's how these "magical" devices are marketed everywhere. Magnets or electronic devices, no difference. They let you try it for many months and they take it back with no issue. The reason is that none of these "clamp-on" devices work. But if you can give it back, there is no fraud. And some people may be happy with it and keep it. So they get their profit because most devices are totally overpriced. They sell one and take back 20 and they still make a profit.
Farm Dad, you didn't wait long enough. Your pipes will actually have more buildup in the early weeks due to the system breaking up all the scale inside your pipes. After many weeks, maybe months, that stops.
This building was nearly new. I don't think there could have been much buildup in the pipes. Plus I did wait a few months. I appreciate your comment though.
@@aelitatube I installed an Aqua-Pure AP430SS, Hot Water Heater Scale Inhibitor System, and it works really well. There has been a significant decrease in scale.
You actually did it wrong. So the conditioning only lasts a short period of time so you want to install it after the water heater not before. It's meant to condition water that will be used right away.
Water softeners add a small amount of sodium to your water, not salt. The harder your water, the more sodium is released because it’s a one-to-one exchange.
3:53 Sorry, but anyone with knowledge of physics in electricity knows a wire coil must be close-ended to generate a magnetic field. Closed-end means both ends of the wire coil must be connected to a power source The red and blue wire coils are both open-ended and therefore will never generate a magnetic field. The tiny power supply is only used to power the blinking lights and will have no effect on generating a magnetic field. This is genuine snake oil.
I believe that you had the wrong expectations. These devices remove nothing. They simply change the characteristics of the water so that build up is "reduced". I've used these devices in my house when I lived in Clearwater Florida, and when I lived in Kansas city, MO. The hardness in Florida was very high compared to KC, MO. However, the properly installed devices worked well. Just keep your expectations within the actaul performance of reduction and not removal.
I didn't look like it reduced buildup at all in this video. I have never seen one of these things work. They aren't supposed to remove anything but they are supposed to make it so the minerals don't stick and form scale, if all the faucets get buildup I don't see how you can say its working.
Dude, love your efforts. But could you have at least did a little research before you turned 100’s maybe thousands of potential clients off of this product. You need to run a large sediment filter ahead of everything else. There is very little and electronic descaling device can do with chunks that size coming from your well. Another words you’ve got the wrong tool, or the wrong indicators for testing the effectiveness of your new electronic, scale device. Thanks for the effort though.
Actually there is a sediment filter on the well in the well house. This is hard water scale being produced by a tankless heater, which is what the product claims to be able to fix.
there is no way an electromagnet can take out calcium / lime. it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic in any way. if it did work.. it would clog up the tube where the electromagnet was.
Nope, I gave it 3 months, which is 12 weeks. Actually it got even longer than that by the time I actually got around to taking it off and returning it.
Obviously you don't fully understand how a water descaler works. It takes a whole lot more time to clean out the pipes and mineral scale your showing in your video. Remember, this device is a descaler not a water softener. Part of it's job is to clean out the plumbing and maintain that status.
This was a new building. And I gave it the amount of time the instruction manual states was needed to "clean out the pipes.". Frankly, I believe this whole concept of heavy scale continuing to be "cleaned" out of the pipes is a way to delay people from returning them while they are within their store return window.
Trust me, if that's what the instructions do say, then you bought the wrong descaler. I have a lot of experience with water descalers and they DO work. If you think you're going to have an over night miracle with your water, it's not going to happen. This is a long term process, otherwise go with a softener. No need to reply with excuses or criticism to me, I was simply trying to help you. Good luck!
I really dig this video. I have used a altered series of in line old none working water heater tanks in the past. It really helped allow sediment to fall before hitting the operational one. It's not a full solution but really reduced my same issue in the past.
Interesting, thank you!
Appreciated the honesty! Also good speaking voice, easy to understand. Thank you much.
Thanks! I hate my voice, so it's a relief to hear it is easy to understand.
I agree you have a radio voice.
I would expect there to be scaling still for a couple months... your soap test told me all I need to know though, thanks!
Any buildup that was in your pipes and appliances will take time and break down as you use the system resulting in larger pieces in your faucet screens. It will defiantly take some time for all the past damage to clear up.
This unit was given more time than the manual said it needed.
Mine took a minimum of 5 years. Takes a long time and i have definate proof mine worked over time. My washing machine would malfunction due to limescale after ibinstalled this unit i could tell it malfunctions wayyyyy less often but it took years for it to take effect. And my hot water gets alot hotter. I had to turn down my hotwater heater
Almost twenty years ago we moved from a lake water area to a town that uses town wheal water that has hard water. Unaware of its effect and the need of water softener in the area after first year our dishwasher completely clogged up and broken down while the pipes began to clog up with scale build up all over the kitchen, washrooms toilets and faucets. I did some research regarding water softener and ended up using a electronic water descaler. The heavy scales in the washroom, faucets, inside the toilet tank and the buildup in the toilet bowls dramatically decreased after the initial clean up right after the installation after six months; however, I was still wondering how well it really worked throughout the entire house since we no longer have a dishwasher to show the difference. An year after the installation, our rental hot water heater tank broke down and I was wondering if it was caused by the hard water buildup and the electronic water descaler may not be enough to do the job; however, when the maintance person showed up and pull out the heating rod and it was perfectly clean without any trace of scale and the hot water tank was simply just broken down. The maintenance person was baffled since we did not have a water softener installed and had never heard of a electronic water descaler in his 30 years in the hot water tank business in our area. Least to say beside the minor wipe down and light regular scrub we no longer have any major hard water scale build up issue throughout the house since we installed the first unit and it actually slowly descaled all the scales in the water pipe throughout the entire house with an yearly electricity cost of about $7.00 drawing 5W/h only to operate it. five years later, I added a second unit onto the out going hot water pipe leaving from the hot water tank to add additional descale performance and have both units plugged into a backup battery unit as a safety measure and both are still running well to this day.
George what brand did you install - can you add some details please.,,,
@@rustytrucksaustralia-graem4115 first one is called Scale Hammer but I don’t see them in the stores any more and the serving one Ed Eddy electronic descaler which is a very popular British company that ship worldwide comes with a guarantee refund policy.
Thanks for the detailed information George
Great review! So did this take time to see results?
@@2522james yes, it will take time to see results. It's little by little until one day I realized it's not an issue but a small maintenance of wiping down needed.
I appriciate your video and the testing you di. Did you happen to think the scale you were still seeing was the result of the pipes getting Descaled?
I am asking because I had a similar situation and I waited longer. After a 6-8 month period of time I stopped having to clean off my screens in my water lines because all the rocks that were clinging to my pipes were cleaned out. Just a thought. Mine works well now.
you definitely have to wait quite a while to see the descaling effects take shape
He could setup a large bucket with a submersible pump and pump vinegar through the pipes, I do this to my tankless water heater every couple years and it works great. Just catch the vinegar from the faucet you're cleaning and reuse it for the next one.
Hey, it's from Alpharetta, GA! I recently moved from there. Nice!
I wonder if a whole home sediment filter installed after this would eliminate the early excessive debris as it breakers down the scale.
This type of descaler needs 2 or 3 months to really show its effectiveness, especially with pipes as built up as yours, after which you will not notice anymore buildup in areas such as faucet ends and your pipes. What happens is the treated water will start to descale the the buildup in your pipes and will cause more of the rocky particulate during the first few months until it is all gone. After that the unit will prevent this buildup from happening. I have had one for 8 years and love it because it doesn’t add sodium to the water and it keeps the minerals in the water which is beneficial for the body if you are drinking and cooking with it. I may eventually get a water softener to prevent water spots on my faucets. But will leave my cold kitchen water unsoftened but descaled for this reason.
Thanks for the unbiased test
Welcome!
Thank you for the tutorial, it's great
Glad to help!
A water softener should be installed in a way so that unfiltered water can be mixed to the output. So you can adjust the hardness of your water to be optimal. No problems with showering then....
Yes sir
"I'm no scientist but I thought I'd try doing an experiment" ha ha.. I have news for you.. you are now a scientist, if you are doing experiments you are a scientist
Haha thanks, guess I can check that dream off the bucket list.
If I paint one painting does that make me a painter? If I build one house am I a home builder? Is that how it works?
@@wilcoxtactical3716 yep, that's how it works
@@wilcoxtactical3716 if I paint a thousand paintings and they all suck, am I a painter. If I build 2 homes am I a home builder? How about 7? 15? What if I build a 1,000? What is the magic number that makes me that thing? Answer: 1.
I think scientists apply the scientific method, replicate the results, and have them peer reviewed. But I'm no scientist.
Monitoring the scale deposits at faucets and washer inlet was great test and answered my question about whether this kind of product works, I have used conventional water softeners for years and they are worth the cost if you really want to have soft water.
Thanks! We will be installing a softener in our house once we move into it.
@@FarmDad Maybe you already installed a water softener but I would look into a TAC descaler (Template Assisted Crystalization) it doesn't add anything to the water or change the taste. I have hard water and had a new boiler put in. The installers put a small 3m descaler on the input of the boiler. I figured 3m doesn't sell pseudoscience products and the boiler people said it works. I looked into it and bought an AO Smith whole house descaler. I just installed it a couple of days ago so I can't say for sure if it works.
@@libtrs838 How’s it looking 4 months later?
To let you know a modern water softner system has a monitor head to prevent the water from getting to soft. You know that feeling of washing your hands and it still feels like theres soap on you lol. Yea man I'm a plumber and can tell you those days are over. They even have systems these days that can handle hard and softwater for systems that have duel water supplies. Sounds strange but many people often have well and rural water for back up. Depending what water is being used will depend what filtering system it goes through. I got into all this as a software engineer and naturally become a hardware engineer to pair with it. Now I make my own automated solution boards to make plumbing products. I'm a full time plumber and learned all this on the side but it has been great to offer customers home automation for a fraction of the price.
My research using a electronic descaler says to install it near the source (well house) and install a traditional filter some 10-20 foot down the line. The way it works is the electrical field makes the sediment stick together. Then the filter catches it. After about an hour all the bonding created by the descaler will disapate and the water turns to normal but the "scale" is caught in the filter.
Interesting! The manual for this one did not mention that. I don't have it any more but I think it actually may have said it couldn't be too far from the heater.
@@FarmDad I think the problem my be more about time. You show multiple times the crud in the lines. Had you continued to run it for a month to 3 months it possible could clean out the pipes. These devices are a slow burn if you know what I mean. Really hard water may require 2 units. www.yarna.com/blogs/news/how-a-water-descaler-works
@@FarmDad Water that hard can be bad for your kidneys. If you have not tested your water to make sure the mineral content is safe I would do so very soon.
@@drd1505 we had this system on for almost 5 months. Problems never cleared up for us.
@@FarmDad Wow! that is hard water. Please get it tested and make sure it is safe. Too much calcium is very bad for you.
Yo FarmDad👋 I've got a question for you OR anyone else who may know... Is it ok to use more than 1 of these Descalers, would it be beneficial ❓
I found that my unit was actually dissolving the deposits that were already in the pipes, once they cleared In about 2-3 months all was great. I don't know how long your pipes had previously been in use.....mine were 30 yrs old.
This was a new building. Glad it worked out for you.
Best part of the video 4:31 "aww man" lol reminds me of my little 4 year old boy. Cute
Haha 😂
The sand you are getting in the pipes is not going to be solved by a descaler. You should add a particle filter. These work by catching the particles while water is running and them dropping them down into a drain which you have to empty regularly.
How do you measure hardness of water. Any recommendations devices maybe?
We had ours tested by a lab.
Did you clean out the pipes and hoses prior to install and then it built back up? otherwise what did you expect?
The manual clearly states that any residue remaining would have been cleared out well before then. All fixtures were cleaned out from clogging many times during this 3 months. The scaling never improved.
I think Polyphosphate filter would help you to protect this issue before installing that you should install one more 5 micron sediment bag, this will help you to reduce the scaling issue. But this is a water conditioning method not a softener, if you want to make your water as soft water you should go with some ion exchange method, i think there is water softener available in Kent. But for a water softener method, you should do water regenerating technique using Rock salt. So do proper cost analysis and go with it.
Bought a different brand in 1995 out of Popular Mechanics and it softened the water a LOT. Never had a problem with rinsing off soap, but you don't have to use hardly any soap. Soap was invented because most everyones water was hard.
Cool audio effect xD
My first thought was that the pipes would build up and plug where the field was, wonder if a marine desalination setup could be adapted ? Likely very expensive. You could always distill it in the pumphouse, cleaning the system there while sending the distilled water on for consumption. Hope you will keep letting us know what you find that works or doesn't. Best of days to you and your crew Dad !
Thanks, Bubba! Best days to you too.
**IF** that were true, you would just need to install a typical 2 stage 5 micron filtration unit down stream of this descaler, or even just a regular Y strainer.
But doesn't a descaler remove scale already in the pipes? If that is the case which it should be if it works then it might take many months to get all of the scale out. It could appear as if it's not working even though it is.
According to manual, it is supposed to be better by 3 months and this building was less than a year old, so I doubt there was much scale build up.
I've read that if you have over 0.3 ppm iron in your water you need a filter for removing iron. The iron interferes with electromagnetic frequencies, just something else to check out.
Ive had this same unit for years. I believe it works but it isnt going to work that fast. It reduces limescale over time. My washing machine used to malfunction due to limescale buildup. It still happens but nowhere near like it used to. It took quite a few years b4 i noticed a difference. At least 5 years or more
You needed to try it on the backside of the water heater....i installed two the first one on an incoming line and the second was larger on the back side of our tankless heater. It worked.
I have same unit and i installed mine behind the water heater because that just happened to be where my main line came into the house and i did read that you will get faster results if you install b4 and after the water heater depending on how much water u use. It said if you use alot of water 1 unit is fine. And its true. I lived by myself for years and i can definately tell the difference ever since i let some family members stay with me (wash clothes every 2days) opposed to me by myself washing every 2 weeks or so
I dont have a tankless heater but i think ima install a 2nd on the hot line after the water heater since i already have one on the main line coming into the house
Simple solution for your drinking water: Install a whole house water softener (you wouldn't go back to hard water after 6 months). Then re-plumb the cold-water-side of the kitchen sink as a hard-water feed. Usually it's an easy swap back near the beginning of the plumbing. Then drink/cook water out of the cold-side of the kitchen faucet. Then you preserve the taste you like. Easy for a DIY guy to do. Or some people will run a brand new hard-water 1/2" line and install a separate "drinking water only" small faucet next to the kitchen sink fixture. Either way.
The water softener will pay for itself eventually when you figure the time/energy to clean your tankless heater, or if you get a tank electric heater (you probably eventually will). Tankless are high maintenance, and a lot of no-hot-water hassles IMO... Best of luck!
I know you're against W Softeners, but they're actually kind of fun to fix (free ones) and play with. You have a little chemistry action happening in your mech room. In our rural area people literally toss perfectly good water softeners that anyone can pick up for free at our local recycling center (the dump). Esp in the spring/summer. Or local online ads there are often real cheap ones. The vast majority of time they just need cleaning and maintenance. The plastic beads inside last a long time in rural areas (beads don't like chlorine). I've taken some free softeners, that I've installed for relatives. Tip: get one with a separate salt tank. The all-in-one's salt-bridge a lot which is unnecessary goofing around. The wider the tank (18"+) the better -- no salt bridges.
Manual control heads are just fine. You can dial them in (extend the time to recharge) for lowest salt use for your needs like an electronic head. Most people routine doesn't vary much, so if you optimize you can get it 'just right'. Or buy a new electronic head for $180 online. You're DIY, you'd probably like the mechanical nature of them. It's actually a valuable skill to have -- knowing how the different styles operate, & how to repair the different style heads. They're simple, but to most people they're voo-doo. I get a lot of questions on W/S's. I would probably get one with a plastic rotary head, or an older style with a cam & brass/rubber finger-valves. They can go a long time (decades?) w/o service. Parts are avail. Culligan's are good, but every few yrs the plunger seals should be lubed to prevent having to buy a new ($) plunger. Culligan parts are avail locally which is nice, but not particularly cheap.
My buddy for 15 years didn't want one for xyz reasons. Mostly being bull-headed, which he freely admits. Then his wife made him put one in. Plus he got tired of hard water issues. Now, several yrs after he says he can't believe he resisted for so long. The slimy water is actually getting all the soap off. We all have things like that...me too :)
Note: Have you tried a Calmat Electronic Anti-Scale unit? Menards sells them (maybe Lowes too??) ..if you have one near you.
Yep, i'd have left it for longer and waited for all the limescale to work its way out. The bonding just changes the way it sticks to a surface, it doesn't remove the calcium.
3 months should be plenty of time according to the manual.
Does it depend on the type of minerals in your water?
I don't think so, but I'm certainly not an authority on the subject 😬
Primarily it depends on the amount of magnesium and calcium that runs through your water.
If the loose scale shown in the video began to appear AFTER installation, then the unit was likely working. It will breakdown the scale and chunks will flow downstream and accumulate and clog at restrictions.
That is supposed to happen in month one. We cleaned all fixtures after that and continued to have scaling.
Interesting, everything I have read states that conditioners clean preexisting scale in piping, potentially for many months, so it may appear worse at first, potentially causing clogs until the pipes are clean??
@@ajcampana I think we had this system in place for 5 months total and never saw improvement. My opinion is that's what the companies that make these descalers say to prevent people from returning them. We switched to a aqua pure scale inhibiting filter and it has worked great. No more scale problems.
@@FarmDad Aqua Pure. Can you show us?
@@arkadiuszk.3898 sold at lowes for $120
I had an identical model but of a different brand. My hot water tank scaled up a couple of years after installation and had to be removed. Snake oil came to mind.
That stinks man.
Snake oil is right. I wish these products weren't legal to sell - they can end up costing people thousands of dollars in repairs down the line, and could even pose a hazard with water heater overpressurization.
Always drain your hot water heater every 6 months.
After discussing this with someone who owns a similar device for a longer period. I think the device is working and you have demonstrated that it does.
5:39 See the buildup in that tap aerator filter or at the inlet valve of your washing machine ?
To me, that suggests it's working as it got the scale in the water to clump up where it could be caught in a filter. The reason there is so much of it is simply because of the volume of water that passes through.
Now, the test, if this hypothesis works, is after you discontinued the use of the gadget whether you still see a similar amount of buildup within the same time period in your tap aerator filter and washing machine inlet as when you were using it?
That scale build up at 5:39 was the whole reason we purchased the device. This device was supposed to fix that issue and it did not. It was there before the device, with device, and after removing the device. However, once we purchased a 3m descaling filter, the scale build up lessoned considerably. I now recommend that over one of these if a full water softener is out of the budget.
@@FarmDad very good so that theory is out then. Could you post a link here to the 3M descaling filter you presently use?
@@johndoe-vc1we here you go. www.supplyhouse.com/3M-Aqua-Pure-AP43011-Aqua-Pure-AP430SS-Hot-Water-Heater-Scale-Inhibitor-System-AP431-Cartridge-Included?Shopping_tm&Shopping_TM_New_users&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiZqhBhCJARIsACHHEH8R1NAasZjavP-DmWlnwImQ-KQGgWKL6a34TvhwArTKfLiAp7_0p8caAvFwEALw_wcB
@@FarmDad thanks was looking for an appliance filter and found the same product. Aqua Pure AP43OSS
The only info I cannot find is the upper limit of hardness that it can handle. It should handle your 14 gpg.
What if hardness was more, say double. Found some reviews saying it did not work so well with the well water at 30 gpg
I think the max for this unit is 20 gpg. Anything higher will require a different method.
@@johndoe-vc1we that sounds about right. It handles our hardness level, but we still experience a small amount of scaling. So 14 might even be at the upper limit for it.
Does it remove existing buildup or new buildup only after installation
It claims to do both.
So isn't that why you saw more scale still? It's breaking down all that old scale? I'd think you might need to run it several months to get everything cleaned out. Also what's the range? Some only work for 50 feet.
@@thenewfire according to the instructions, it should be done removing new scale long before the 3 month mark. We had this for 5 months and scale build up did not improve. This was in our barn that we are living in. Total run was less than 25 feet.
I find that it works best if you wrap 🌯 the wires around pvc instead of copper. The signal barley gets thro to the water when using metal pipes.
Interesting, but makes sense! Of course the manual says it should work on copper.
Don't use PVC for hot water. PVC leaches, especially with hot water.
Unfortunately, these products have been on and off the market for decades and none of them are legit. There have been many studies on this method of water softening/descaling, but none of them found any significant change in water hardness or buildup. I'm surprised they gave you a full refund without putting up a fuss.
There were also two flaws in your experiment. The first was that, even if the magnetic descaler worked, your water wouldn't be any softer. The supposed 'theory' behind these devices is that they somehow affect the minerals in the water in a way that prevents them from building up on surfaces (which clearly didn't work, go figure). There is no possible way to remove minerals from water without rerouting the water through something; the extracted minerals have to go somewhere, after all.
The second flaw, and the reason it appeared that the water was softer, was that you simply added more detergent to the second bottle, thus allowing it to create more suds. Another potential factor was how long the first bottle sat before you shook it up a second time.
There are other options out there for softening/descaling water without adding salt to it, but they are quite a bit pricier. One option is to simply replace the salt pellets with potassium, though you'll be spending about 4x to 6x as much per pound.
@@weblure a thing about the potassium is, do you really want to be taking showers with radioactive water? Yeah it's negligible amounts of radiation, and it is an alpha emitter, but honestly I'd stick with regular salt instead of potassium chloride.
@@ImpetuouslyInsane I believe you are thinking of plutonium. Potassium is not radioactive.
With that amount of build up you may need two and sediment filter
I bought a GE water softener from Home Depot and installed it myself, best $400 dollars I ever spent. I have a 4 bedroom house. 2 humans, 3 dogs, 9 birds. I go through 20 bags of salt a year with extremely hard water. Costs about $200 a $400 a year for salt
You can get cheaper salt if you have a sams club, I spend 2x what you have to spend to be able to buy locally
@@roberttalada5196 that's what we did with the house we built on this well. 👍 This descaler was used in the barn.
Wow you mind sharing the link to the one you bought?❤
According to the Scaleblaster installation material, you will notice an INCREASE in scale in your fixtures by 3 months and then it should not recur. Reason being that a lot of scale is coming off the plumbing during this time and some of that ends up in your fixtures. Thereafter you should not see it because your plumbing is clean.
According to the instructions for this unit, that should have been long over by 3 months. I suspect that verbiage is there purely to product returns during the return period. After all, this was a new building, so it didn't have long for scale to build up before this was installed.
@@FarmDad Depending on the hardness of water and strength of the electronic descale. There is also an effective pipe distance where the minerals solids are separated and recombined in the pipes. For most conventional units used for typical household with municipal water, that distance is around 50ft. This means beyond 50 ft of pipe from descaler, the minerals solids that are electronically separated starts to recombined back to solids again. This is the reason why most manufacturers recommend installing the descaling next to the input pipe to the water heater (rather than source of water line to the house, which might be too far).
Given the hardness of the well water, conventional household descaler probably don't have enough power to completely break down the mineral solids. (These units will specification of how hard of the water that it can effetely process. You can buy meters to measure the water.). You might consider invest in an commercial / industrial higher power units for your application. But first might be a good idea to figure out how "hard" your well water is.
Note that descalers don't removed the minerals from the water or change the hardness of the water. It applies an electric field to break down the solids and suspend the mineral particles in the the water. So that wen you are using the water it is not in a solid state where it can be deposited into scales. It would still be a good idea to use a water filter to filter out the mineral particles to reduce the chance of it recombining back into solids.
@@astroboy2345 unit is 15 feet from water heater. We have had our water tested and I forget the number, but it was very hard. We found that the 3M Aqua-Pure Whole House Scale Inhibition Inline Water System works much better. And it's even cheaper.
@@FarmDad Filtering water conditioning system is probably a better system for your well water. Reading more, it seems that well water that contains traces of iron and other minerals (not sure if that is the case for your) ends up inhibiting electronic descaling system from breaking down solids. Electronic systems are really designed water sources from municipal water systems. I am glad you found a system that works.
@@astroboy2345 aaahhh so i wonder if there just be something to using a siliphons filter AND an electronic descaler as well as some sediment filters at the appliances!
FYI costco has the best water softener deal for the size and inlet ports
Thanks for information. Can you tell us what brand is it? I can't find it in costco website
@@Thailova I forgot its privately made for costco by a big company out of AZ I think. And Costco will have a better warranty/return than anyone else, just walk in with it and get your money back. I seem to remember it was about $500 but it was it had better inlet/outlet sizes and a little bit bigger salt holding tank vs others for that price. It also did better measured times of dosing based on your hard water that you set the setting to.
I was really hoping it would have worked. I’m a custodian at a school. The calcium in the water is very bad.
How deep is your well ?
400 feet
At the beginning, how does he sound like he's in an empty room or cellar though he's outside? I've never heard that before.
Maybe my rode lapel mic?
Thanks for the video. The descaler doesn't soften your water it is supposed to keep scale from building up. You would have to use a softener to soften.. I was hoping you'd kept it longer. I wanted to see if the scale would eventually come off.
I was thinking the same thing, he gave up before the product had a chance to break up the years of scale buildup.
i heard they don't work. You have to use those salt ones cuz ions. You can do RO. Reverse osmosis. That also works. Only two methods.
We are having good results with the aqua pure scale inhibitor filter.
They "work" but the effectiveness is very subtle
I think you may have tapped out too soon. I myself also have really hard water. My house has a spin down filter with a 50 Micron screens stainless steel then it goes to a sediment filter and then it goes to another charcoal filter. Then I put that Ed 2000 descaler at the end. My water pipes also is doing the same thing as your dishwasher your washing machine and all the appliances in the house is getting big chunks stuck on that prescreen on all the appliances. I myself paid $143 for the unit and I thought I got burned my self but then I let it run for about 4 to 8 months letting the descaler do its thing and after cleaning the aerators and the pre-screens on the washing machine and dishwasher thinking all the while what a fool I was spending that kind of money on a machine then all of a sudden the big chunks just disappeared on all my appliances pre filters I think what my problem was was my copper tubing was like an artery getting filled with cholesterol I needed to be cleaned out then as soon as it cleaned out my water is like great I can't believe how good that ED2000 ispring actually is working. The biggest difference for me now is my glass shower doors are clean my clothes washer takes a lot less soap to wash. My dish washer is the same a lot less soap and dishes more shiner cleaner when they come out of the dish washer I guess you would say they're not all wrinkled when they come out of the dryer and the biggest difference is is all my clear drinking glasses have a few little spots but they're not as bad as they were
You did it backwards.
5:30 you got secret talent;)
Get your mind out of the gutter, friend 🤣
Sounds like you're filming this inside a well.
Thanks for the video. I think you should get a regular water softener. You are not adding salt to your water. You are using salt water to flush the main filter that's all. I love the slick feeling of soft water. Here in Arizona, you can get buy a softener and with a basic install, the whole price is about $1200 - $1500.
I was getting ready to post this comment, most people assume you adding salt is the water you use. Not a reservoir that’s just brines the filter.
No, it is adding some salt to the water. You are substituting salt for the existing minerals. It's chemistry. It will kill your plants over time from salt buildup in the soil.
what is hardness level of your water?
@@SSModi852 I don't remember anymore, but I know it was on the very hard end of the scale, but not completely off the charts.
You should have given it more time. I installed a scale blaster and it took weeks to get all of the scale out of all the pipes. My faucet screens were like yours but eventually cleared up.
This was given months. The manual said it should have cleared up by then.
as a water treatment professional here in WI for 30 years.... I laugh at the majority of the comments in this section
Get a Water softener everyone in Florida has one, the salt is only for cleaning the tank. There’s no salt in the water
We are just temporarily living in this barn so we don't want the expense of installing one here. Our house will likely get one, at least on the hot water side. I just installed a Aqua Pure Scale inhibitor system. Waiting to see how well that works.
OK, but now you have too little Ca+, Mg+ and too much Na+ in the water.
@@arkadiuszk.3898 there shouldn’t be any NA+ if the softner is working correctly
Im not a water professional but I think you better to test your water first so you have an idea how hard its then make decision if you need install two Electronic Descalers even more...
These units don't change the hardness just the structure of the minerals. Salt exchange water softeners remove the hard minerals.
That was all the crap stuck inside your lines it was working you just needed to clean it out. It was freeing and everything up that was stuck in there. At least that’s what the people that sell them say. Thank you
Yup, that's what they say, but this was an almost new building, so . . .
The salt for water softeners is only used to clean them, it doesn’t inject salt into your water lol
calcium and magnesium ions are replaced with sodium ions. And the more calcium and magnesium in the water, the more sodium used to replace it. So, yes, you do end up with more sodium in your water. And that should be considered for someone who has health concerns that require a low-sodium diet.
It absolutely increases the sodium level of your water, that's why it tastes nasty compared to natural spring well water.
@jeffreyMagnum460 if it's treated correctly it absolutely does not make it taste bad if not make it taste better. The TDS after the water softener should only be about 10 higher than the raw water. Untreated well water is disgusting in my area where there's high iron and hardness.
@jeffreyMagnum460 but I also still wouldn't drink well water where I'm from because we're getting alot of arsenic and radon in the water here in Southern Maryland. I treat my water with a salt system but I don't drink the water. We use deer park 5 gallon jugs for drinking here.
What you pulled out was brown. Scale is white! You needed a sediment filter
This already had a sediment filter. It looks white to me anyway.
Just get a good water softener. I know you "said" there are a couple reasons why you don't like them, but when I was a little child I didn't like wearing shoes, but I wore them anyways and glad now that I did. 😂
Haha, I like your analogy. Water softener not worth it in this barn, but we have one in the house.
You should have flushed the whole house by pumping vinegar through the pipes one fixture at a time. If you have a tankless water heater you should have read that already that it is a maintenance procedure for a tankless water heater.
This building was only a few months old
That's how these "magical" devices are marketed everywhere. Magnets or electronic devices, no difference. They let you try it for many months and they take it back with no issue. The reason is that none of these "clamp-on" devices work. But if you can give it back, there is no fraud. And some people may be happy with it and keep it. So they get their profit because most devices are totally overpriced. They sell one and take back 20 and they still make a profit.
Sounds spot on to me.
Filming yourself behind the sun might not be the best idea. Thanks for the test
You don't notice until you go to edit and by then it's too late 😜
DeScalers work by ionizing the water, the scale is still there, it just turns it to a powder and makes it easier to clean your shower door, etc.
Takes A Minimum Of 3 Months To See Difference According To Manufacture Specifications
Farm Dad, you didn't wait long enough. Your pipes will actually have more buildup in the early weeks due to the system breaking up all the scale inside your pipes. After many weeks, maybe months, that stops.
This building was nearly new. I don't think there could have been much buildup in the pipes. Plus I did wait a few months. I appreciate your comment though.
Did you find another solution? @@FarmDad
@@aelitatube I installed an Aqua-Pure AP430SS, Hot Water Heater Scale Inhibitor System, and it works really well. There has been a significant decrease in scale.
You actually did it wrong. So the conditioning only lasts a short period of time so you want to install it after the water heater not before. It's meant to condition water that will be used right away.
That is not what the manual states.
Water softeners don't ADD salt to your water.
They do use salt during a media(tank beads that attract the deposits) cleaning process.
Nice video!
Thanks! pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9009980/
Water softeners add a small amount of sodium to your water, not salt.
The harder your water, the more sodium is released because it’s a one-to-one exchange.
@@pauld3327 sodium is bad for your health, particularly your blood pressure, so this is what I was referring to even if I misspoke.
3:53 Sorry, but anyone with knowledge of physics in electricity knows a wire coil must be close-ended to generate a magnetic field. Closed-end means both ends of the wire coil must be connected to a power source The red and blue wire coils are both open-ended and therefore will never generate a magnetic field. The tiny power supply is only used to power the blinking lights and will have no effect on generating a magnetic field. This is genuine snake oil.
I believe that you had the wrong expectations. These devices remove nothing. They simply change the characteristics of the water so that build up is "reduced". I've used these devices in my house when I lived in Clearwater Florida, and when I lived in Kansas city, MO. The hardness in Florida was very high compared to KC, MO. However, the properly installed devices worked well. Just keep your expectations within the actaul performance of reduction and not removal.
I didn't look like it reduced buildup at all in this video. I have never seen one of these things work. They aren't supposed to remove anything but they are supposed to make it so the minerals don't stick and form scale, if all the faucets get buildup I don't see how you can say its working.
You may be right about the quality of your water vs. utility provided water. It's not really y a fair comparison. Just my 2 pennies.
You need water softener
Dude, love your efforts. But could you have at least did a little research before you turned 100’s maybe thousands of potential clients off of this product. You need to run a large sediment filter ahead of everything else. There is very little and electronic descaling device can do with chunks that size coming from your well. Another words you’ve got the wrong tool, or the wrong indicators for testing the effectiveness of your new electronic, scale device. Thanks for the effort though.
Actually there is a sediment filter on the well in the well house. This is hard water scale being produced by a tankless heater, which is what the product claims to be able to fix.
there is no way an electromagnet can take out calcium / lime. it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic in any way. if it did work.. it would clog up the tube where the electromagnet was.
You only gave it 3 weeks. It takes 12 weeks to descale.
Nope, I gave it 3 months, which is 12 weeks. Actually it got even longer than that by the time I actually got around to taking it off and returning it.
@Farm Dad Your video says 3 weeks later, then 2 weeks later, to me that's 5 weeks. Can you clarify? What did it look like at 12 weeks?
@@TractorWrangler01 that was just the initial tests. Checking in every so often.
@@FarmDad im going to give it a try and see what happens. I got it for $120.
@@TractorWrangler01 check back in with your thoughts.
Obviously you don't fully understand how a water descaler works. It takes a whole lot more time to clean out the pipes and mineral scale your showing in your video. Remember, this device is a descaler not a water softener. Part of it's job is to clean out the plumbing and maintain that status.
This was a new building. And I gave it the amount of time the instruction manual states was needed to "clean out the pipes.". Frankly, I believe this whole concept of heavy scale continuing to be "cleaned" out of the pipes is a way to delay people from returning them while they are within their store return window.
Trust me, if that's what the instructions do say, then you bought the wrong descaler. I have a lot of experience with water descalers and they DO work. If you think you're going to have an over night miracle with your water, it's not going to happen. This is a long term process, otherwise go with a softener. No need to reply with excuses or criticism to me, I was simply trying to help you. Good luck!
@@judydewey2380 we solved this issue using an aqua pure Ap431. It worked much better.
This shit simply not working
Those "softeners" are a plain scam.
A bad echo.
snake oil at best, just a gimmick, that has little to no affect on water hardness. like buying the led cap that promotes hair growth, TOTAL NONESENSE
I don't disagree based on this experience.
100% scam
I pretty much agree