The moral of the story: Grass isn't consistent enough compared to Painful Choice, and Pot of Greed is unnecessary if you can send 30 cards to grave every turn.
@@thevintagevaluesexperience4302 Not really what current yugioh proves is simple draw cards suck unless they have an extra effect whether than be a discard or a banish you need that added bonus because unless your drawing the exact cards you need a draw 2 is bad because unlike dm yugioh where every card you drew was good that's not the case anymore because of once per turn effect, hand trap, board breakers and bricks
@@thevintagevaluesexperience4302 No way Snatch Steal is better than Change of heart in kind of tournament, where the duel is just end in 1 or 2 turns. Take control opp mons for 1 turn is more than enough, and Snatch steal is an equip spell so it's much much easier for the opponent to interact with.
Im pretty confident in saying if this happens more often the results would be WAAAY different, this just looks like a mixing bag of "lol let me play a olddie", "lets sprinkle in some extra spice." and "I can't be bothered/if it isn't broken."
Yeah i got the same vibes here, solving the entirety of yugioh history in one tournament is impossible, especially in OCG land where they have a twisted idea of combo decks.
In a format like this I think its the player that won the rocks, papers, scissors to go first wins. You basically have all the power to do what you want and the opponent prays that he drew into one of their hand traps and hope its enough to stop your play.
I think it would be interesting if there were more “No Banlist Tournaments” in the future, it would give more incentive to Konami to reprint banned cards for Retro Formats.
And if we get enough of those tournaments with no Dragon Rulers, maybe they'll finally be taken off the list. It seems pretty fair to bring all of them back to 1 at the very least.
@@Zarvanis Says the man who spent too much money on dragon rulers and wants to use them. They're banned for a reason, the dragon rulers off the banlist still see competitive success to this day. Dragon rulers are literally the strongest cards ever released, except maybe pre errata emperor dragon.
Tears were already fucked I think this just shows an alternate bizarro timeline with no banlist and it's more giving Tears a nuclear orbital bombardment cannon
OCG is kinda based, ngl. The fact that they did that is so cool, because it just lets Konami see what needs to stay on the banlist, and can allow the cards that don't need to stay banned to finally come off.
That is not right. Not seeing pot of greed in the upper decks doesn't mean pot of greed is not broken. It means pot of greed is a dead card if the opponent plays 3x droll and lock bird.
@@mauer1 I guess Pot of Greed can be unbanned if there are more cards that punish you for getting too much advantage (like Nibiru), or a specific counter to it (like White Hole or Anti-Raigeki).
@@alexanderrobins7497 well, we dont wanna have a master duel meta where tripple maxx c in every deck means 3 ashe, 2 called by and 1 crossout. but white hole and anti-raigeki are weak examples because they are too generic and not searchable. ashe called by crossout can atleast negate other stuff aswell. something like NIbiru on the other hand would be interesting. having a card that lets you evening out your hands for example, would be interesting
I do think there might be some skew here since tearlament was the best deck in the game by far in normal OCG, and a good amount of players probably just played it because they already had the cards for it. I do think that tear is really good still since they're pretty protected against the powerful old hand disruption cards, since discarding any of the monsters is beneficial for them, but I don't think they'd hold as high of a position if they did this tournament multiple times over and players started to figure out the meta. I do think it'd be the best non-ftk non-stun deck easily, it's just a matter of if can beat the ftk and stun decks consistently enough.
I'm not sure stun or FTK can consistently compete in a tourney as much as tears. Tears won't be their only match up, and there are a lot of options that completely fck both stun and FTK strategies. While tears can actually still play through their counters
This! The Rankings are probably gonna look a little different when the FTKs and other decks have been figured out and become more consistent. I do not fear a deck that can win on the first turn, i fear a deck that can win on the first turn consitently and with little to no interactable pieces.
@@ReeVoque Actually, Unlimited has one particular FTK strategy that doesn’t appear in other formats and isn’t vulnerable to typical FTK stoppers: Magical Scientist. I don’t remember the exact combo route (something involving The Tyrant Neptune and Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale), but 1 Magical Scientist can FTK the opponent while adding only 1 card to hand. I’m fairly sure it even has some way to play through Nibiru and Imperm.
Future Fusion was definitely pre-errata. I think 3rd place's plan for it was to bounce it back with Zephyros for an extra activation, since FF was never once-per-turn. It's cute, but I think the placements show that just running Painful Choice was better.
Which is understandable since painful can get any 4 cards into the grave and essentially gets you a search, it truly is one of the most powerful spells in the game
Believe it or not, the #1 Tearlaments deck doesn't run Pot of Greed because it's actually been powercrept. The deck would rather have setup with Graceful Charity and Painful Choice, rather than Pot of Greed's +1. If you replace anything with Pot of Greed, or if you add 3x Pot of Greed to make a 45-card list, all you're doing is increasing the chance you hit Pot of Greed when you mill.
My FTK deck has a back up plan vs spooky dogwood/hanewata, i can switch to handloop, so i get a free win vs u as u side in useless spooky dogwood vs my ftk deck
I'd be interested to see this happen more and see how the format evolves over time. Tear is definitely crazy, but I'm wondering if with enough time something else would be better
Yeah these results are definitely a case of a small sample size and small prep time. Based on the initial bias towards Tear (since so many people are intimately familiar with them at the moment) and the fact that it didn't have that strong of a lead I'm pretty sure it would be overtaken.
Ya 1 tournament like this isn’t enuf to determine wat cards need to stay banned and wat r too weak to be forced to be banned/limited/semi-limited. If they did both in the OCG and TCG 1 or 2 tournaments each month over the course of 1-2 years I’m sure they wud be able to make a conclusive decision. Also it’s just interesting and for some psychos it’s also fun too. I’d be honestly interested in making my own no banlist concoction.
@@baileydombroskie3046 I can definitely understand your reasoning and it’s very sound. Maybe if locals started this and then made its way to the top of the food chain, maybe it can happen.
@@baileydombroskie3046 It's over a year now and This has been continued over in OCG and whenever Tears aren't targeted in the rules, they dominate The newest one just in and it was 60% tears and it's more potent than ever It's insane what you can see in this meta
the tear placements is defiantly a case of players going to a comfort pic. its a deck they know and is powerful. given enough testing with this format the best deck would definitely look very different
Yeah. 1 tourney isnt really a massive indicator. Sure it is one but it can be skewed. Like Edison is proof enought of that the meata of the one tourney they got wasnt the real indication of the actual meta. Hranted tier might be that meta but it can also not be.
While this could be a case of Ishizu Tear being THAT broken but there is a very good chance its because of the format being new. A lot of these decks look experimental as in they seemed to just jamming in the broken cards without extensive play testing or just meta analysis, so it seems like the the most recent solved tier zero deck won because its the most stable build it seems. Could be wrong here completely but I wanna see a tournament where a meta like this has been actually solved and not in experimental phase if that makes sense
@@davemarinas3259 I am not denying that. Just saying that I think a more solved meta would be better for this kind of analysis. Tear could still be the best, but that result will be more concrete because the other decks would have gotten the time to be fine tuned to their best
@@davemarinas3259You really think a format can be solved with one tournament with little to no prep? Lol. Give it a handful more of these and take them online and we’ll see if Tear stays the best.
@Squiddys: OCG does not have Traditonal format, it is either a tournament that follow the OCG banned list, or unlimited format tournament, the exception OCG might have Traditional format in some video game. This is why before when I played in dueling network when that was a think so when they play against me in traditional format they thought it meant follow an old banned list, and does people where from OCG. And this time it is mush rare that this happen in dueling book since most of them now knows what Traditional format accutally mean even if they are from OCG way of playing, since now in dueling book their is goat format which acctually mean play with a old banned list of that area, so that way it will make it less confusing for new player
I don't think this tournament is a real representation of the power.of the decks, I'm sure that if this becomes a normal occurrence and with time the deck chart is going to change a lot, first Ishizu Tear is probably recency bias is powerful deck and a lot of people didn't want to make a deck from scratch for a probably one off event, I'm sure if this becomes a regular thing with time the cart is just going to become FTK fiesta.
Most ftk decks were good when there were less hand traps and the game was slower. Bear in mind that ftk decks are very inconsistent. If you dont start with the ftk in your hand you kose
This kinda showcases that we are at least somewhat ready to seriously consider not using banlists for this point forward as somehow ftk’s have been powercrept🤯
The thing is 1. There are probably not that much players experimenting with banned cards, so we maybe dont know some pretty strong Interactions between some rouge Deck and a few banned cards 2. there is a good Portion of banned cards that are (partially) banned because they have really good graveyard Interactions ( like Gracefulls sending 2) that synergies extremely Well with tears
@@tumage8592 Of course Painful Choice is always better than Graceful Charity. It gives more GY setup (4 to 2), picks cards from Deck rather than drawing, and still +0. Like Graceful Charity on steroids. Painful Choice is probably single strongest card in the game.
This is a very bad idea. The ban list exist for a reason and that's so two players can play and not only one. I remember doing the psychic ftks and as soon as I have 2 psychic on the field, no hand traps, the opponent just surrenders.
Tear is by far the best going 2nd deck of all time because it can play during your opponents turn and completely interupt most decks on turn 0 , which can win you a lot of games you aren't supposed to win.
Doesn't also "how easy is it to get your hands on these old banned cards" also factor in? idk about OCG card market or shops but i feel like if it's like on MD or dueling book or something this pie chart could be different.........???
This is really interesting, but it's crazy that is the most varied the format as been in ages. It's also insane how busted Tear is that even full power zoo can't beat them
To be clear, this is a online tournament, so you didn't need real card to play. And this wasn't the first time they did this kind of tournament, so every player in tournament know what they are doing. Tearlaments won not because of familiarity , It won because of pure power the deck had. Those old school FTK are no match to Tearlaments because, Tearlaments has Turn-0 play , those old decks don't. When you go first, Tearlaments play on you turn . When they go first, you are just facing a unbreakable board.
Because it’s a no ban tournament, not OG tournament, I’m 100% sure if they did a no banlist tourney with the cards being played pre errata, there would be DDT and a lot of other crazyyyyy decks that existed before with new cards/engines
I'm not an expert on yugioh cards but...they do need more space on their cards so... Why not just make it a rule that each named card can only use each of its activated/triggered effects once per turn unless otherwise says so. This would remove a lot of needless text as well as would bring a lot of things off the banlist.
I did the same thing on Pokémon once. While most players will try to play a deck that's designed to donk you by using a broken combos to clear you bench and finally your active. The best strategy in unlimited is to play a deck that's designed to trainer lock your opponent on the first turn.
I feel people are blinded the first place obviously thought it through. graceful, painful exceptional in tear. pot of greed isn't a good choice it helps a lot of deck that need the draw power but in modern yugioh graceful is better by far it's draws and sets you up pot of greed only draws you better hope you draw your starters and not the other cards
Master duel has to do this for many reasons, it will show which decks are the best, which cards should stay banned, be unbanned or give light on strategies and strengths of certain things, also we know the ygo community will theory craft the hell out of decks and find out what strategies we shouldn't power creep into while tuning other things around for balancing
I mean tear is one of the newest decks that have been hit so I expected that it’d be most represented. In A few years when we get our next tier 0 they’ll be the most represented
Tears strong, but without more time for people to marinate in the format, ofc people are going to play what is recently strong. This kind of format is amazing when there has been much more time for people to find decks that were never possible. Dlinks with dragon rulers and bystials is something that requires heavy play time to work, for instance with all sorts of variants with thunder dragons, chaos ruler, etc etc. Which is why the face value of "omfg tears op" is a disingenuous way to see the format. Also jp deck building is very... interesting... Hope to see more of this format just to see the full chaos of ygo
I believe the Tearlaments thing is due to; Most players that actually play competitively or yo an extent on that, those are the cards they have. So, all they could do was throw in some 3 ofs every good Banned card and play. I don’t believe Tear is the most broken in the history, but it is out there with Teledad, Full Power Chaos, and FTKs
Any chance you could find more decklists from this event? Would be great blueprints for those others decks. My friends and I are considering hosting no banlist tournaments on discord so it would be great to spread awareness of this awesomeness
People are on some serious copium if they think a larger sample size is going to "dethrone" tear in a format like this. Tear is the only deck here besides Mystic Mine who has a chance at winning games going second. Magical Scientist loses the coin toss and probably has a like 20% chance of winning by needing to hard draw a bunch of handtraps it can't run a lot of. Meanwhile Tear just goes second and can potentially just play on the opponent's turn 1 and Rulkallos negate Scientist and auto win the game. FTK decks in unlimited or when mostly"free" (see Pend FTK most of Master Duel) are great when going first, but when it comes to events you HAVE to go second at least half your games they aren't great.
I feel like there are too many handtraps and stuff that negate draw or make stuff go to banish zone instead of grave for exodia to be reliable at this point. Might be mistaken though. Dimension shifter for the FTK, macro, dim fiss, Ash to negate the cards that would let you draw.
Could be a demerit if you are trying to mill things into the graveyard for effect activation. It's always a good /draw/, but it wouldn't be a good graveyard dump.
I dont think more common automatically = better deck. We dont know for sure why there are so many Tearlaments. They are new and popular, and people are not often creative. 1 tournament is not enough data to make many conclusions.
Can somebody explain to me y ocg and TCG are different and have different banlists? And y can't I play ocg cards in a TCG tournament? I'm new to the game
@@MrJuan_Vzla you can't. You can only play tcg cards. They have different backs and that's considered marking. You can only use tcg cards in a different language if you have a translation on hand for it
In unlimited if it isn't an FTK it better be broken beyond imagination. Tear with with the Golden Oldies like painful choice and etc. def fits that ultra broken bill.
that the first place deck didn't even play pot of greed proves my theory that pot isn't even that broken of a card. it sounds crazy but just going +1 for free without stipulations isn't all that impressive when you can go +2/3 or even 4 with stipulations that you can manipulate to such high degree that they might as well not exist. when decks are so consistent that you will see whatever you want whenever you want you don'T need a card tat lets you see more cards. gracefull at least triggers 2 tar effects.
not playing 3x of pot of greed in any deck makes no sense since it is a +1 in any way you ever see it, but yet tbh i feel like that TCG build better than OCG overall
I feel like if they used this as a regular format it would allow players to get more creative and you’d eventually see tons of different winning decks I feel like everybody played tears to see how broken it could be but I’d love to see the endless possibilities
Zoo only really plays on their own turn. Tear can play on both player's turn even if they're going second. Hauvnis can just straight up lead to all your plays being denied forcing you to pass turn and not be able to set up a board on your turn 1, then they proceed to play on their turn and finish you off as you hope your handtraps are enough to stop them.
@@potatoexe5410 as monkey fight, TCG said it best. literally have to hand trap tearlaments You literally have to hand trap the deck twice to even have a chance.
This is more or less what you’d expect. The good decks just keep being good, but now with even more consistency and control options, and some random ftks pop up on the side to be annoying as hell
I guess they want to maximize the chance of seeing havnes? Rather than playing at turn 1, better to play at turn 0. Or painful choice + gracefull is just more than enough draw power.
Well, many questions arise. How much time in advance did players had to prepare, the access to old cards compare to New ones is a great différence. I think tearlaments won just because of familiarity, give time to this type of tournaments and ftk will be everywhere
here's full hit on tears will coming in next month Tearlaments Kitkallos 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】 Tearlaments Scheiren 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 Tearlaments Reinoheart 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
I'm more surprised that Zoodiac is still very powerful in thier full power. Most all format kill a lot of Zoodiac deck and make them works as engine only because they are too weak because that ban/limit. And because we see no Dragon Ruler, maybe it will be a good proof that Dragons can be free from the banlist.
honestly this looks way more fun than watching all those link monsters appearing and going out unlimited times and no ones attacking or doing anything. real game doesn't have animation monsters like in the anime so its not interesting to see all those nowadays infinite combos imo.
What this tourney showed me is that I saw no difference between it and real current yugioh format. Yugioh really has gone so far that a banlist really isn't needed anymore.
The moral of the story: Grass isn't consistent enough compared to Painful Choice, and Pot of Greed is unnecessary if you can send 30 cards to grave every turn.
Take it with a grain of salt, ocg players are known for downright strange choices in deckbuilding, especially in fresh formats
The first place list is weird. No Pot of Greed? Change of Heart over Snatch Steal? Called by the Grave over The Forceful Sentry? Maindeck Heartbeat?
@@thevintagevaluesexperience4302 Not really what current yugioh proves is simple draw cards suck unless they have an extra effect whether than be a discard or a banish you need that added bonus because unless your drawing the exact cards you need a draw 2 is bad because unlike dm yugioh where every card you drew was good that's not the case anymore because of once per turn effect, hand trap, board breakers and bricks
@@thevintagevaluesexperience4302 No way Snatch Steal is better than Change of heart in kind of tournament, where the duel is just end in 1 or 2 turns. Take control opp mons for 1 turn is more than enough, and Snatch steal is an equip spell so it's much much easier for the opponent to interact with.
@@anakinsmith4770 I been saying pot of greed isn't even op for a while now especially due to power creep.
Im pretty confident in saying if this happens more often the results would be WAAAY different, this just looks like a mixing bag of "lol let me play a olddie", "lets sprinkle in some extra spice." and "I can't be bothered/if it isn't broken."
which is good, why min max 24/7
@@M1911pap I mean the point of the tournament is kinda to figure out what the best unlimited deck is so min maxing is expected
@@M1911pap why would you not min/max in a tournament?
Yeah i got the same vibes here, solving the entirety of yugioh history in one tournament is impossible, especially in OCG land where they have a twisted idea of combo decks.
In a format like this I think its the player that won the rocks, papers, scissors to go first wins. You basically have all the power to do what you want and the opponent prays that he drew into one of their hand traps and hope its enough to stop your play.
I think it would be interesting if there were more “No Banlist Tournaments” in the future, it would give more incentive to Konami to reprint banned cards for Retro Formats.
Or support any alternative format
Yu-Gi-Oh could run so many different formats like Magic does.
And if we get enough of those tournaments with no Dragon Rulers, maybe they'll finally be taken off the list. It seems pretty fair to bring all of them back to 1 at the very least.
(arent they already reprinting all origin sets next year, or did i miss read something on the site?)
@@Zarvanis Says the man who spent too much money on dragon rulers and wants to use them. They're banned for a reason, the dragon rulers off the banlist still see competitive success to this day. Dragon rulers are literally the strongest cards ever released, except maybe pre errata emperor dragon.
You can notice just how BROKEN Tearlaments are when the previously best Unlimited deck beign Zoodiac was reduced by that much
Painful Choice and Graceful Charity break the deck to pieces. Should be expected.
Not really. Is more like the more broken grave dumping cards made tears beyond OP
What the previous 2 comments say + there just were way more participants that played tear
Tears were already fucked I think this just shows an alternate bizarro timeline with no banlist and it's more giving Tears a nuclear orbital bombardment cannon
@@robinberger208 Orcust Dark World best deck
OCG is kinda based, ngl. The fact that they did that is so cool, because it just lets Konami see what needs to stay on the banlist, and can allow the cards that don't need to stay banned to finally come off.
That is not right.
Not seeing pot of greed in the upper decks doesn't mean pot of greed is not broken.
It means pot of greed is a dead card if the opponent plays 3x droll and lock bird.
@@mauer1
I guess Pot of Greed can be unbanned if there are more cards that punish you for getting too much advantage (like Nibiru), or a specific counter to it (like White Hole or Anti-Raigeki).
@@alexanderrobins7497
well, we dont wanna have a master duel meta where tripple maxx c in every deck means 3 ashe, 2 called by and 1 crossout.
but white hole and anti-raigeki are weak examples because they are too generic and not searchable.
ashe called by crossout can atleast negate other stuff aswell.
something like NIbiru on the other hand would be interesting.
having a card that lets you evening out your hands for example, would be interesting
@@mauer1 why would you plus 1 with pot of greed when you can plus 3 with graceful charity
@@newbplaygames I would wanna both.
But yeah that's the other idea.
I do think there might be some skew here since tearlament was the best deck in the game by far in normal OCG, and a good amount of players probably just played it because they already had the cards for it. I do think that tear is really good still since they're pretty protected against the powerful old hand disruption cards, since discarding any of the monsters is beneficial for them, but I don't think they'd hold as high of a position if they did this tournament multiple times over and players started to figure out the meta. I do think it'd be the best non-ftk non-stun deck easily, it's just a matter of if can beat the ftk and stun decks consistently enough.
I'm not sure stun or FTK can consistently compete in a tourney as much as tears. Tears won't be their only match up, and there are a lot of options that completely fck both stun and FTK strategies. While tears can actually still play through their counters
Problem is ftk dies to droll, and stun often die to board wipe and beatdown, both which tearlaments excel at despite being combo deck.
This!
The Rankings are probably gonna look a little different when the FTKs and other decks have been figured out and become more consistent. I do not fear a deck that can win on the first turn, i fear a deck that can win on the first turn consitently and with little to no interactable pieces.
I’d just play true Draco lmaoo I miss master peace
@@ReeVoque Actually, Unlimited has one particular FTK strategy that doesn’t appear in other formats and isn’t vulnerable to typical FTK stoppers: Magical Scientist.
I don’t remember the exact combo route (something involving The Tyrant Neptune and Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale), but 1 Magical Scientist can FTK the opponent while adding only 1 card to hand.
I’m fairly sure it even has some way to play through Nibiru and Imperm.
Future Fusion was definitely pre-errata. I think 3rd place's plan for it was to bounce it back with Zephyros for an extra activation, since FF was never once-per-turn. It's cute, but I think the placements show that just running Painful Choice was better.
Which is understandable since painful can get any 4 cards into the grave and essentially gets you a search, it truly is one of the most powerful spells in the game
Believe it or not, the #1 Tearlaments deck doesn't run Pot of Greed because it's actually been powercrept. The deck would rather have setup with Graceful Charity and Painful Choice, rather than Pot of Greed's +1. If you replace anything with Pot of Greed, or if you add 3x Pot of Greed to make a 45-card list, all you're doing is increasing the chance you hit Pot of Greed when you mill.
Graceful Charity and Painful Choice are also old era DM card, it's not like they're newer cards. And yes those 2 are more powerful than PoG.
We live in a world where tearlaments don't need pot of greed like what the actual fuck
Note to self: side in ghost sister and spooky dogwood in case they ever roll this type of tournament out in the TCG.
They won't
Same reason why they still try to censor half of the new cards
My FTK deck has a back up plan vs spooky dogwood/hanewata, i can switch to handloop, so i get a free win vs u as u side in useless spooky dogwood vs my ftk deck
Now this is my kind of tournament.
I'd be interested to see this happen more and see how the format evolves over time. Tear is definitely crazy, but I'm wondering if with enough time something else would be better
Yeah these results are definitely a case of a small sample size and small prep time. Based on the initial bias towards Tear (since so many people are intimately familiar with them at the moment) and the fact that it didn't have that strong of a lead I'm pretty sure it would be overtaken.
If they were using old errata's maybe Konami is thinking of un-nerfing cards that had those ridiculous erratas 😅
This needs to happen in the TCG! This was a great idea to whomever thought of this! I wonder what was Konamis idea or thoughts about doing this?
You Crazy SoB you have no idea what your saying full power pendulums FULL POWER PENDULUMS!!!!!
Ya 1 tournament like this isn’t enuf to determine wat cards need to stay banned and wat r too weak to be forced to be banned/limited/semi-limited. If they did both in the OCG and TCG 1 or 2 tournaments each month over the course of 1-2 years I’m sure they wud be able to make a conclusive decision. Also it’s just interesting and for some psychos it’s also fun too. I’d be honestly interested in making my own no banlist concoction.
@@baileydombroskie3046 I can definitely understand your reasoning and it’s very sound. Maybe if locals started this and then made its way to the top of the food chain, maybe it can happen.
this would be a crazy fun side event format at a YCS!!!!
@@baileydombroskie3046 It's over a year now and
This has been continued over in OCG and whenever Tears aren't targeted in the rules, they dominate
The newest one just in and it was 60% tears and it's more potent than ever
It's insane what you can see in this meta
Who needs a weak +1 like Pot of Greed when you can go +4's with Graceful Charity and Painful Choice lol
the tear placements is defiantly a case of players going to a comfort pic. its a deck they know and is powerful. given enough testing with this format the best deck would definitely look very different
and people magically forgot how to play solved decks ? or forgot how to play against the most popular deck during the time aka tears ? lmao c'mon now
Yeah. 1 tourney isnt really a massive indicator. Sure it is one but it can be skewed. Like Edison is proof enought of that the meata of the one tourney they got wasnt the real indication of the actual meta. Hranted tier might be that meta but it can also not be.
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While this could be a case of Ishizu Tear being THAT broken but there is a very good chance its because of the format being new. A lot of these decks look experimental as in they seemed to just jamming in the broken cards without extensive play testing or just meta analysis, so it seems like the the most recent solved tier zero deck won because its the most stable build it seems.
Could be wrong here completely but I wanna see a tournament where a meta like this has been actually solved and not in experimental phase if that makes sense
Come on Tearelements are just broken you can literally get 3 fusion summons with just one painful choice
@@davemarinas3259 I am not denying that. Just saying that I think a more solved meta would be better for this kind of analysis. Tear could still be the best, but that result will be more concrete because the other decks would have gotten the time to be fine tuned to their best
@@davemarinas3259You really think a format can be solved with one tournament with little to no prep? Lol. Give it a handful more of these and take them online and we’ll see if Tear stays the best.
Moral of the story: Tear is top Tier.
You are right, tear is more broken than pot of greed and thats why it needs to be banned.
tear is tear tear
@Squiddys: OCG does not have Traditonal format, it is either a tournament that follow the OCG banned list, or unlimited format tournament, the exception OCG might have Traditional format in some video game. This is why before when I played in dueling network when that was a think so when they play against me in traditional format they thought it meant follow an old banned list, and does people where from OCG. And this time it is mush rare that this happen in dueling book since most of them now knows what Traditional format accutally mean even if they are from OCG way of playing, since now in dueling book their is goat format which acctually mean play with a old banned list of that area, so that way it will make it less confusing for new player
it's honestly interesting seeing what a modern version of a banned deck (a deck that main win con is a banned card) looks like
I don't think this tournament is a real representation of the power.of the decks, I'm sure that if this becomes a normal occurrence and with time the deck chart is going to change a lot, first Ishizu Tear is probably recency bias is powerful deck and a lot of people didn't want to make a deck from scratch for a probably one off event, I'm sure if this becomes a regular thing with time the cart is just going to become FTK fiesta.
droll would like to have a word with your ftk fiesta
@@nonlethalnuke Pretty much every good FTK deck would have teh combo turn 1 and willa slo have hand traps so Droll isn't big issue.
@@nonlethalnuke Magical Scientist doesn't care about Droll.
Most FTKs aren't really good. The few good ones and decks that can interrupt them will be the most dominant force in unlimited.
Most ftk decks were good when there were less hand traps and the game was slower. Bear in mind that ftk decks are very inconsistent. If you dont start with the ftk in your hand you kose
This kinda showcases that we are at least somewhat ready to seriously consider not using banlists for this point forward as somehow ftk’s have been powercrept🤯
Wait until they give an in-archetype consistent way for tears to ftk you as well.
I like your channel. Good breakdown and analysis. Gonna watch some of your other videos when I get home
Holy fuck that Magical Scientist FTK is fucking genius.
The thing is 1. There are probably not that much players experimenting with banned cards, so we maybe dont know some pretty strong Interactions between some rouge Deck and a few banned cards
2. there is a good Portion of banned cards that are (partially) banned because they have really good graveyard Interactions ( like Gracefulls sending 2) that synergies extremely Well with tears
Painful choice. The plus five even better than gracious charity
@@eazyez5717 yeah but charity is more well-known
@@tumage8592 Of course Painful Choice is always better than Graceful Charity. It gives more GY setup (4 to 2), picks cards from Deck rather than drawing, and still +0. Like Graceful Charity on steroids. Painful Choice is probably single strongest card in the game.
With how broken some of the cards are, I say it will be only a matter of time until Pot of Greed is off the ban list.
they should do more of this, it was actually fun to play and watch, especially when you win games that you shouldnt have off of a top deck
That is the opposite of fun lmao
@@skeletonwar4445No that’s literally Yu-Gi-Oh!, heart of the cards lol.
@@toadfan64 cards dont go on the banlist for being too fun or too interactive
thanks for taking the time to explain how the decks work!
This is a very bad idea. The ban list exist for a reason and that's so two players can play and not only one. I remember doing the psychic ftks and as soon as I have 2 psychic on the field, no hand traps, the opponent just surrenders.
I actually think games like this need to happen more. We really dont know the BEST yugioh deck till we make these normal
I know a good place you can go to for that then xD
Tear is by far the best going 2nd deck of all time because it can play during your opponents turn and completely interupt most decks on turn 0 , which can win you a lot of games you aren't supposed to win.
Awesome video bro, thanks for covering this tournament.
Dudes forgetting people just wont have the old cards....
Ive been out for a long time but wasnt there a possible Exodia deck with like 98% FTK if all banned cards are at 3?
The issue is game one it might. But, game two and three droll and lock bird exist.
@Brent Joyce ya that makes sense.
Yes, but you can just play an FTK (or standby OTK), that uses fewer brick cards and lose going second. Exodia is not that good.
Makes you wonder if this format has some merit....I mean Tears still won but at least it was reasonably diverse?
Doesn't also "how easy is it to get your hands on these old banned cards" also factor in? idk about OCG card market or shops but i feel like if it's like on MD or dueling book or something this pie chart could be different.........???
Why 1st place has no pot of greed?
This is really interesting, but it's crazy that is the most varied the format as been in ages. It's also insane how busted Tear is that even full power zoo can't beat them
I think this tournament are for cards can come off the ben last or not. That would make the most sense.
To be clear, this is a online tournament, so you didn't need real card to play. And this wasn't the first time they did this kind of tournament, so every player in tournament know what they are doing. Tearlaments won not because of familiarity , It won because of pure power the deck had. Those old school FTK are no match to Tearlaments because, Tearlaments has Turn-0 play , those old decks don't. When you go first, Tearlaments play on you turn . When they go first, you are just facing a unbreakable board.
I remember reading on twitter about the No banlist tournament but it said a zoodiac deck won. Was that another tournament?
Surprised we didn’t see any dimension fusion/diamond dude turbo decks
Because it’s a no ban tournament, not OG tournament, I’m 100% sure if they did a no banlist tourney with the cards being played pre errata, there would be DDT and a lot of other crazyyyyy decks that existed before with new cards/engines
To add to this, Disc commander and makyura are absolutely terrible now, but if they were to be played pre eratta , yeah it would be wild.
very strange not to see more Exodia with all those infinite combos to draw it. + Pot, Graceful, Painful Choice and so on
I like using Seeker's Exodia deck but on steriods in YGOPro in the no banlist room.
I'm not an expert on yugioh cards but...they do need more space on their cards so... Why not just make it a rule that each named card can only use each of its activated/triggered effects once per turn unless otherwise says so. This would remove a lot of needless text as well as would bring a lot of things off the banlist.
There was another tournament with the results posted on intro to expert Facebook group, would be interested in your covering that one too.
I did the same thing on Pokémon once. While most players will try to play a deck that's designed to donk you by using a broken combos to clear you bench and finally your active. The best strategy in unlimited is to play a deck that's designed to trainer lock your opponent on the first turn.
I feel people are blinded the first place obviously thought it through. graceful, painful exceptional in tear. pot of greed isn't a good choice it helps a lot of deck that need the draw power but in modern yugioh graceful is better by far it's draws and sets you up pot of greed only draws you better hope you draw your starters and not the other cards
Master duel has to do this for many reasons, it will show which decks are the best, which cards should stay banned, be unbanned or give light on strategies and strengths of certain things, also we know the ygo community will theory craft the hell out of decks and find out what strategies we shouldn't power creep into while tuning other things around for balancing
I mean tear is one of the newest decks that have been hit so I expected that it’d be most represented. In A few years when we get our next tier 0 they’ll be the most represented
Tearlaments is uncontested best deck ever. You don't even need to run any cards like painful choice or charity, but only engine and it'd still win.
yessir
we need a tournament just like that over in the tcg. it could probably be a big annual event.
this would be sick
Tears strong, but without more time for people to marinate in the format, ofc people are going to play what is recently strong.
This kind of format is amazing when there has been much more time for people to find decks that were never possible.
Dlinks with dragon rulers and bystials is something that requires heavy play time to work, for instance with all sorts of variants with thunder dragons, chaos ruler, etc etc.
Which is why the face value of "omfg tears op" is a disingenuous way to see the format. Also jp deck building is very... interesting...
Hope to see more of this format just to see the full chaos of ygo
No Banlist Tournaments need to become the norm everywhere, all formats. No exceptions.
Where can I find those deck lists? Forgive my ignorance.
I hope we see this no holds barred format continue, it would probably get insane as people optimize it
I do wonder how unnerfed cards would of preformed in this tourney, or maybe combined with other decks.
One thing. Firewall ftk.
I believe the Tearlaments thing is due to; Most players that actually play competitively or yo an extent on that, those are the cards they have. So, all they could do was throw in some 3 ofs every good Banned card and play. I don’t believe Tear is the most broken in the history, but it is out there with Teledad, Full Power Chaos, and FTKs
0:40 Excluding the banlist? What could be left to be banned? The matchwinners & stuff??
Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
What about pot of greed not being powerful enough?
Dude would have been better playing 45 cards and 3 pots
Any chance you could find more decklists from this event? Would be great blueprints for those others decks. My friends and I are considering hosting no banlist tournaments on discord so it would be great to spread awareness of this awesomeness
People are on some serious copium if they think a larger sample size is going to "dethrone" tear in a format like this.
Tear is the only deck here besides Mystic Mine who has a chance at winning games going second. Magical Scientist loses the coin toss and probably has a like 20% chance of winning by needing to hard draw a bunch of handtraps it can't run a lot of. Meanwhile Tear just goes second and can potentially just play on the opponent's turn 1 and Rulkallos negate Scientist and auto win the game.
FTK decks in unlimited or when mostly"free" (see Pend FTK most of Master Duel) are great when going first, but when it comes to events you HAVE to go second at least half your games they aren't great.
I feel like there are too many handtraps and stuff that negate draw or make stuff go to banish zone instead of grave for exodia to be reliable at this point. Might be mistaken though. Dimension shifter for the FTK, macro, dim fiss, Ash to negate the cards that would let you draw.
@@gregoryford2532 it doesnt... oh. I for some reason thought it did woops
I don't understand how Pot of Greed wouldn't be an auto 3 of in any deck.
Could be a demerit if you are trying to mill things into the graveyard for effect activation. It's always a good /draw/, but it wouldn't be a good graveyard dump.
What is the source of the image during the introduction?
This just shows you where yugioh power creep is nowadays. Ban list doesn't even change the meta.
drill & lock bird. apply a math formula to all the cards with no ban limit and 3 each to find best combinations.
I dont think more common automatically = better deck. We dont know for sure why there are so many Tearlaments. They are new and popular, and people are not often creative. 1 tournament is not enough data to make many conclusions.
1 painful choice 3 fusion summons without normal summoning while having a lock with azathoth that sound unbeatable to me
Can somebody explain to me y ocg and TCG are different and have different banlists? And y can't I play ocg cards in a TCG tournament? I'm new to the game
Because Konami can ban a card on OCG and still sell it here.
I think you can play OCG cards here but you need a TCG copy.
@@MrJuan_Vzla you can't. You can only play tcg cards. They have different backs and that's considered marking.
You can only use tcg cards in a different language if you have a translation on hand for it
If these are the results of Yu-Gi-Oh without a ban list. That OCG banlist that came out recently for January 1st was very much needed.
Im pretty sure the nib, ogre and veiler are crossout targets
In unlimited if it isn't an FTK it better be broken beyond imagination. Tear with with the Golden Oldies like painful choice and etc. def fits that ultra broken bill.
Long story short, adding more power to the game just makes the powerful decks more powerful. Who would have thought? 😂
I still confused why no one play PEPE in this tournament 🤔
that the first place deck didn't even play pot of greed proves my theory that pot isn't even that broken of a card. it sounds crazy but just going +1 for free without stipulations isn't all that impressive when you can go +2/3 or even 4 with stipulations that you can manipulate to such high degree that they might as well not exist. when decks are so consistent that you will see whatever you want whenever you want you don'T need a card tat lets you see more cards. gracefull at least triggers 2 tar effects.
This is called Unlimited Format.
The amount of Tear players is also a factor. Just throwing that out there since a lot of people are focusing on that as the takeaway.
not playing 3x of pot of greed in any deck makes no sense since it is a +1 in any way you ever see it, but yet tbh i feel like that TCG build better than OCG overall
Graceful Charity and Painful Choice is literally unimaginably superior to Pot of Greed
@@OnlyTheStrongest116 you can play 153 cards and pot of greed is still worth
Finally a format i can use all the copies of engage i have
I feel like if they used this as a regular format it would allow players to get more creative and you’d eventually see tons of different winning decks I feel like everybody played tears to see how broken it could be but I’d love to see the endless possibilities
Jesus Christ
They even overpowered Full Power Zoodiac?!!
Yep when you have a deck that never misses timing and gets a plus 2 for each card sent to GY period this is the end result.
Zoo only really plays on their own turn. Tear can play on both player's turn even if they're going second. Hauvnis can just straight up lead to all your plays being denied forcing you to pass turn and not be able to set up a board on your turn 1, then they proceed to play on their turn and finish you off as you hope your handtraps are enough to stop them.
@@potatoexe5410 as monkey fight, TCG said it best. literally have to hand trap tearlaments You literally have to hand trap the deck twice to even have a chance.
Thats really awesome. Hope they do a tournament like this in tcg.
never gonna happen in tcg, they have a bunch of ptsd people playing that format
@@luzllednar361 Please not the firewall!!! anything but the firewall!!!
huh, pre errata stuff too?
where can I find the matches of the tournament??
@@Squiddys that's really a miss opportunity by konami not doing this kind of events quite often...
Ummm Exodia FTK has 100% consistancy why didnt everyone just play that
because of a bird
This is more or less what you’d expect. The good decks just keep being good, but now with even more consistency and control options, and some random ftks pop up on the side to be annoying as hell
I guess they want to maximize the chance of seeing havnes? Rather than playing at turn 1, better to play at turn 0. Or painful choice + gracefull is just more than enough draw power.
Well, many questions arise. How much time in advance did players had to prepare, the access to old cards compare to New ones is a great différence. I think tearlaments won just because of familiarity, give time to this type of tournaments and ftk will be everywhere
Me duele pensar que no hubo ningún gigachaad con un deck de 60 cartas.
OF COURSE Tearlaments are still on top they're gonna be hit on that ocg banlist for a long time now.
they do in recent banlist and they finally killed it in OCG
here's full hit on tears will coming in next month
Tearlaments Kitkallos 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】
Tearlaments Scheiren 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
Tearlaments Reinoheart 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
I'm more surprised that Zoodiac is still very powerful in thier full power. Most all format kill a lot of Zoodiac deck and make them works as engine only because they are too weak because that ban/limit. And because we see no Dragon Ruler, maybe it will be a good proof that Dragons can be free from the banlist.
honestly this looks way more fun than watching all those link monsters appearing and going out unlimited times and no ones attacking or doing anything. real game doesn't have animation monsters like in the anime so its not interesting to see all those nowadays infinite combos imo.
I think it also comes down to accessibility. (If this wasn’t online) and time to prepare. Why not play the most familiar deck with broken cards
Every no banlist format has 3x droll and lockbird in every deck for obvious reasons
What this tourney showed me is that I saw no difference between it and real current yugioh format. Yugioh really has gone so far that a banlist really isn't needed anymore.
This seems fun lol the chain links must've been gnarly!!!!
first place didnt play pot of greed????? he must not have known what its effect was
Tearlaments won not because of familiarity , It won because of pure power the deck had
For the tearlaments deck,
pot of greed is not strong enough
I think it really came down to did people really have the cards to play something different or want to learn to play a older deck
Catapult turtle is once per turn now magical scientist xyz otk is probably what that was