Craps betting strategy - "growth" system with high action / low risk!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2017
- For craps enthusiasts: here is a system that provides lots of action and a chance to win without a ton of risk. No, it's not magic. It's a way to survive and thrive at choppy and medium-to-hot tables. Have fun, and gamble responsibly!
SUMMARY OF THE SYSTEM (short version)
Start at Don't Pass (1 unit). Follow with Come Bets and then put odds on them. Your goal is to have "2 and half numbers" covered (stop making Come bets after you have 3 come bets on numbers: two with triple-unit odds and the other without). As more money goes to the top, start balancing it out with $20 and (max) $30 odds on your Don't Pass.
SUMMARY OF THE SYSTEM (detailed Version):
1. 1 unit Don't Pass ($5) -- establish point
2. 1 unit Come bet ($5) -- rolls a box number
3. Put 3 units odds ($15) behind the Come Bet that moved // Put 2 units on a new Come bet
Here, the 2-unit Come and DP are helping to balance out your Come bet with odds
-rolls another box number
4. a. 3 units ($15) behind the Come bet that moved. You have 2 numbers covered with odds. // Put 2 units on a New Come bet // Back up your DP with approx. $20 odds
Now the Come and the DP with odds are helping cover your 2 Come bets up top with odds
-rolls yet another box number = end of the system
5. No odds behind the third Come Bet that moved (System maxes out at "2 and half points" covered) // No more new Come bets until other bets are resolved. // Increase your DP odds to 30.
IF one of your Come bet hits, take your winnings and do a new 2-unit Come Bet. Regress DP odds to $20. (You're back at Step 4).
Brent Auerbach : just had to tell you , I've watched your beautiful craps strategy video at least 90 or 100 times !!!! Thanks for making it !!!!
Good video. Played this strategy with $200 at a $10 min table and left with $600
Brent, saw color up roll your strategy. i looked up your name and craps and saw your video this afternoon and took notes. went to the casino tonight - 1.5 hrs and profit of $275. works, was great. thanks.
Don Jenkinson ; fascinating !!!!
I’ve been bingeing on strategy videos. Enjoyed this. Your explanations are quite good.
GREAT strategy! makes lots of sense and is the most practical way to play by hedging yourself against the 7. Low risk with great upside if a hot hand keeps rolling. Cannot thank you enough!
Honest assessment of your own strategy, well done. Low risk is spread out (balance of win/loss) & done in a way that is actually fun to play, got extra mileage from my bankroll. Definitely suggest the dealer tip bets on a warm roll, and pulling off after any roll that has you up $100 on a $300 buy-in.
Loving this strategy cause you can cheer when numbers are rolled and actually have fun with the shooters. Going to Vegas next month ima try it
Ok, so this is the best video that I have found to be realistic and to the point. great Job! 🏅🥇🎖 thank u!
Thanks for the nice, easy to see demonstration. Interesting system.
Great video and really like the strategy. A couple of questions though. First, what is the proper play when you have your 2.5 come bets up and the shooter hits his point. Then on the come out roll, with $5 on the don’t pass line, his point is one of the numbers you have for your 2.5 come bets. What’s the recommended approach for handling odds on the come bets and don’t pass line? Last questions, since the flat bet pays one to one, on your second come bet would another option be instead of putting 2 units on the come bet, just put 1 unit on the come bet and add odds to your don’t pass line earlier than suggested in the video?
Rewatched your video and got my answer to the first question around the 27 min mark of your video.
Thanks for responding! I read all your comments and I saw where you said you might make another video with a different system. My system is similar to yours, but has more choices in deciding if you want to be right/light heavy, wrong/dark heavy, or hedge with both. It’s called Making True Free Odds Bets At No Cost. I posted the system in one of my other replies here. If you don’t make a video of it, it’s all good. I would like your opinion on it. Thanks again for responding. I don’t have a channel, but one day I might. The editing, graphics, and inserts are what really scare me. Content wouldn’t be a problem. I’m from St. Louis, MO and we have casinos everywhere here. So videoing a live craps game would be easy. And testing out different systems from everyone would be fun.
So get some videos together, I'll watch all your material.
I like this. The wife who generally spectates is consistently on me about cold tables and that we should bet the dark side. Obviously winning on the dark side easier said than done. This might keep
us both happy.👍
Listen to her, she sounds like she knows what she's talking about. OR, you could hand her a stack of chips, step aside, and say 'OK, Honey, show me how it's done.' It's win/win. If she loses, you win, and if she wins, you win.
Very clear description of how to play this system------Thamks
Great job! I’m going to try it!😎 I’d like to hear your recommended number of rolls till bet reductions.
Thanks, guys! I forgot to mention (and show) that - whenever a YO hits on the come bet - I like to *regress* it back down to $5. That improves the spread up top. You want mostly $5 flat bets with triple odds behind.
Brent Auerbach : thanks, Brent , for the additional comment !!!! This is one of the best craps strategy videos on TH-cam !!!!
Great strategy! My only suggestion is that with the 7/11 vulnerable on the first come-out roll, perhaps hedge it with a single dollar (or $2 on a $10 table) on the 7? That way you don't lose your entire don't pass bet. Obviously once you're in the come then it doesn't matter so much. Also I might bump up my don't pass odds a little more. Maybe keep it on $30 entirely?
You heard him say early on that he wasn't messing with any of the stupid-ass 'prop' bets, didn't you? He's only betting D.P. and Come - 1.4 + 1.4% House edge, respectively.
Thank you this worked for me
I've used a Don't Come strategy with success before, but you have to hedge some of your bets with place bets and then a come bet. The problem with the Don't Come strategy I've used is that you tend to either win big or lose big. So if you have a big bankroll and don't mind the big losses, it can work nicely.
I get that you don't like betting the DP against the 6/8. Obviously, the pucker factor here, as it is for me, is risking any amount of odds behind the DP on the 6/8. However, I am comfortable putting a come out there in hopes of a 7 on the first roll after the point, or to hedge against the 7 while building up to a three-point Molly. It's nothing less than losing your DP when the point hits against a 4/5/9/10 on a full layout and then taking all your odds down behind your come bets, leaving you with a three-point Molly. Thus,if the point established a 6 or 8, bet one unit on the come, roll. If 2, 3, 11 or 12 hits, re-do the come bet. If the point or 7 hits, start over with your main system. Repeat betting one unit on the come until you have three come bets without odds and then lay 2x units on DP odds (adjust for even odds as needed, e.g., $5 table: $12; $10 table: $24) and roll. If a come point hits, put another come bet out there. If the point or 7 hits, start over with the main system.
Better yet, place the same bet as the DP on the point and put a DC bet out there to try and get a better Don't number working for you. If the next number is also a 6 or 8 (or any number that seems hot), put a flat place bet on that number to neutralize the don't and put another DC bet. Once you get a number you like versus the 7, then play your main system as usual, except put the odds on the DC (not the DP).
In fact, when I step up to a table that already has a point established and I want to get right into the action, I'll put a DC out there to set my don't number and then I play your system as usual. The only other change I've made to your system is to bet two units on the come odds (instead of three). Makes it slower to grow your winnings (looking to hit a come point at least once before hitting the 7), but also slows down the losses (break even more often if no come point is hit).
I really like your strategy here (with my variations)! It is a very fun, high action, low-risk strategy that affords a guy like me to play for a long time. You might be too humble to call it anything more than a "growth" system, but I'm giving credit where credit is due and affectionately refer to it as "The AC/DC Method," where A is for Auerbach (your original system), C is for Carter (my odds and place bet variations), and DC is Don't Crap . Thanks for sharing this vid!! :-)
Good video good explanation I love it I think today I'm going to the casino and try a similar strategy because of your video. The casino I go to has a $5 table and they allow put bets most casinos allow put bets you just have to ask. So as a variation of your strategy I believe I will lay the 4 or 10 your pick put the six and eight $5 with 15 odds on each and a $10 come bet and start from there we'll see how it goes wish me luck.
How'd it go for you?
I didn't follow when he put triple odds(15) behind the 5 & 9 then he added a dollar. Why did he add a dollar? 15 pays 10 and 16 pays 10
I really enjoyed your video. Like the strategy, and you did a great job explaining it.
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If you are playing a $10 or even $15 table, I understand the 1, 2 and 3 unit pyramid. But when you have 2.5 numbers on the board with odds, how do you calculate how much to pay against in the Dont Pass?
He was saying $20 but no more that $30??
But if you’re playing a $10 or $15 table, $30 won’t cover the come bets with odds correct? I would need more?
Exton Fit Body Boot Camp It’s just 4x or 6x unit odds. $10 don’t pass odds are now $40 and $60 not $20and $30.
Color Up, can you simulate this strategy in your channel? Thanks
Brent Auerbach, I have only been playing craps since August and this is the system I win with they most. Usually I buy in for $300 and when I win, usually leave the table $60 - $150 dollars up. My limit is to lose $200 and think I've only lost that @ 2-3 times in my many craps sessions since august. I have added in a $12 6/8 strategy at a $5 table if the 6 or 8 are the point. When I have my $5 DP bet and a 6 or 8 is rolled as the point, I bring down the DP bet and place the 6 and 8, both for 12. If either hit, I reduce my bets to $6 each, securing a $2 profit for the roll. If the shooter hits his point at any point, I will bet the DP again and if the point is a 4, 5, 9, 10. I will remove the 6 and 8 place and go back to your system. This keeps me in the game for very low risk hoping the shooter can hit at least 1 6 or 8. Thanks again for posting this.......YOu saved me all sorts of $$$ because I watched that same $75.00 video and thought I could make $$$ that way.
deudawg it’s interesting how many times he shunned playing when the 6 or 8 was the point but he won his DP when the 7 rolled before either the 6 or 8 point. A lot of DP players don’t like 6 or 8 points BUT the 7 is still ahead to come 6 to 5! The DP better is still favored!
I like your tweak of working 6/8 tandem that gives you the 10 to 6 tandem edge to hit a 6 or 8 before a 7 shows but the casino’s parallel win is the trouble. Your 1 hit and regress is extremely prudent. Nice tweak.
Great system, it works really well. Any ideas or suggestions on a long roll to increase your value and add more numbers without interfering with the system?
Yes, divide all your chips across the numbers and let 'er rip. (buy the 4 and 10, place the rest) You'll win big, I can FEEL it.
I have been using this system in Vegas for the last two months it been really successful. The hard part is finding a 5 dollar table. On my last day I got up early and they were 5 dollars in some casinos.
chess1457 : try finding a bubble craps machine and really have fun !!!!
I was wondering about the automated bubble machines as well. Have you tried that? Anybody?
Lance Koehler bubble craps is good but the short timer doesn’t allow for lost of bets but this strategy would work well. Even when the casino upped the min bet at the tables to $25 the bubble craps was still $5. P.s. on bubble craps buy don’t place the 5/9
Question - why do you wait to lay odds on the Don't Pass? Seems like you may as well put them down after the Come out? That first PSO, you would have made more profit.
Interesting, but I like taking odds when possible.
excellent...Im up $955 in just two days of play...love it!!!-- thanks...
wow..now Im up 2k...I am a dice setter...but now using your strategy I no longer worry about controlling the dice or hot tables...ive been playing for years and years...thank you sooo much...all the other systems ive used and studied are useless and complicated...
Glad it worked for you!
Hi, I´m not sure if you reply to messages anymore, but I had a question about a year old video you put up called “Craps betting strategy - "growth" system with high action / low risk!”
I am clueless about craps, watching your tutorials to learn, but regarding this strategy, I understand it all, except for one problem. I play online at betfair, and when you say “we´re at the point where we´re going to put some odds on our dealt(?)” (2 increments you like to lay odds, $20 and §30 section) - 9 minutes into video.
When I play on the betfair casino (it´s not live craps) I do not have the option to place the chips like you did on the board. Is there somewhere else I should be laying the odds bet (maybe on the pass line instead)?
Thanks a lot for your help.
@@JohnJohn-qv4mg - Anyone who gambles online gets EXACTLY what he deserves.
This is a great system unless you have a great shooter which then you will be losing on the don’t pass line. But overall the tables usually gets cold quick so why not cover yourself with the don’t pass line. Great video !!!
Interesting strategy to grind ... to be fair; at the 3:00 mark you refer undoubtedly to the Kerry W Smyth and StageTech Marine systems with the $75 Don’t Come bet - neither says it is a “can’t lose” system ... in fact they state the bet is at a disadvantage in the roll to establish it and Smyth even augmented his strategy by using the Patrick System to get the bet up making a rarer rolled point number other than the 7 the number you desire not to be rolled to establish the bet!
I would always play come odds on all come bets - maybe double on all 3 come bets as opposed to triple twice and then nothing on the 3rd come bet. Double odds you could play easy odds on all numbers, even the 5 or 9.
Additionally, your Don’t Pass is still ALWAYS favored to win after the point even with the point a 6 or 8 - play it - your 6 to 5 and it’s +EV! Seems like you won the DP quite a few times when 6 or 8 was the point!
Like your system. Interesting variation would be to put 10 on pass, 5 don't pass. That way you don't get killed on the come out and can still lay and protect the outside points.
You go to the table with the system you have, not the system you might want or wish to have at a later time. You can make any variations you want of course! Try it out and see how it goes .
Brent Auerbach what if it hits a point though? I like the original
Yeah, put opposing bets out, that way, on a Comeout roll of 12, you lose $10 instead of breaking even. Sounds great!!
Rob Mars : This strategy sounds interesting , I hate getting killed on the come out , and this guarantees you have a stake in the point number , if a point is rolled on the come out !!!! In other words, the five dollars extra on the pass line is like a come bet on the point number !!!! Does this make any sense !!!!
@@biggawinnacrapsa3870 I’d take that risk tbh . You’ll hit way more 5$ 11s and 7s than $10 12s
very smart Brett!...thanks
I like this and have played similar to it at times. The Come-out rolls after hitting the point is an issue, hitting a 7.
Always hedge the comeout roll. You can make it up once the point is established during the play.
When your DP becomes a 6 or 8, do you know the second roll you are a 2 to 1 favorite of throwing a 4,5,9,10 over a 7 on that?? However, at 19:20 you stop betting you're come bets. Weren't you betting comes to take advantage of a warm to hot(or choppy)table in the first place?(and) Why not lay odds on the 2nd roll with your DP, then a point 7 you'll clean up, a win on the DP, a win on the Come and a win with the odds layed w/that DP. You can always reduce your DP odds after that 2nd roll.
14 to 6 is not 2 to 1 and your is not you're. You're a moron.
So what do you do when you hit your point but you still have come bets out there? Do you do another come at the same time you do your Don't pass?
I like this and I might try it. Have you tried hedging your come out roll DP bet with $3 hopping 7s or $2 big red/$1 Yo? Do you still find yourself profitable?
I generally avoid hop bets and Yo hedges, and I'd never play any seven against a come-out. I just handle the high loss rate on DP come-out by making that my smallest bet (one unit). As much as I warn others to stay away from pure hedge bets and high house edge bets, I'll admit I'm a sucker for horn bets when 2-3-11-12 start showing up.
Well made video, good explanations and I really dig the system. It's a good mixture of hedging, seeing lots of action, playing against yet with the table! haha. Question...You begin laying odds ($20) behind your Don't Pass bet when you have 2 points established from your Come bets...then increase the odds to $30 when you establish your third point. Is there any reason why you would not lay, say $10 in odds on your Don't Pass after you have established your first point? So, progressing your odds at each level?
Thanks! As to laying a single-unit odds on the DP earlier in the roll: you absolutely COULD do this, but I don't. When one come bet has been established, I'm still mostly covering my light side bet with my DP and my new 2-unit come.
This is just one spot in the method (there are others if you look) in which the light side and dark side bets are not totally balanced. I let that be and accept a $5/$10 loss here and there as part of luck.
Yes, his reason is that he's been playing a long time. Like a buck getting shot at too many times - they get skittish.
hi nice presentation..... You did however say and returned your come odds after sevoning out... maybey just a mistake.... but certainly a great display and well executed strategy.
How would you do this system if the don't pass pays 1 for 2 rather than the normal?
Interesting... it’s kinda like acknowledging that the seven is going to happen rather then just praying it doesn’t
Wouldn't you want to put higher odds on the don't pass if the point is a 4 or 10 since they are less likely to be rolled?
When I have a bunch of numbers working like you explain at the end of your video and somebody throws dice off the table, I always take my odds down. I’m superstitious but I’ve got murdered so many times with new dice. For me it’s automatic .....Pull down all odds after dice are off the table. I know it’s superstitious but I’ve got the empty pockets to substantiate my comment.
Fun strategy. Keeps you busy and everyone at the table is looking at you like WTF. You won't get rich with this strategy but you won't go broke either. I started with $300 and four hours later left with $319. At most I was down $150 and up $200. Great way to hang out around the table and meet new people.
Try establishing a win goal & loss limit before you begin play. A 67% win of $200 on a $300 buy-in is HUGE and you should have been gone way before that. A bigger buy-in is just more zeros, same % is bigger profit. Most 'gamblers' never learn when to quit. Win Goal/Loss limit and focused discipline is a winning combination. Just say'n.
at 34:40 I think your come bet should be a win instead of lose and your odds get return to you when you roll a 7 on come out? sorry If I am wrong
If a don't pass loses on a 7 or 11 on the come out roll. (What about the use of side bets that pay 4 to 1 on a 7 and a single bet on a Yo 11.
Example:
Place: $10 on dont pass at beginning.
Place also $4 on a 4 to 1 pay for "any 7" this mitigates and hedges against 7's in beginning.
Place $1.00 on the YO 11 which pays 15 to 1. Hence mitigating risk of an 11.
If you roll your needed 2 or 3 bet you are up 5. After losing the one time side bets.
If you roll one of the side bets, they hedge the loss onn your dont pass.
Finally, if you roll any other number, you only lose 5 dollar side bet (yes commission, casino winning here) but you have the opportunity to recoup the 5 dollar loss through the 2nd phase of the round.
Making sure to place an equal amount on the point as your don't pass and odds.
Thereafter, can play up to 4 regular numbers so long as you can leverage enough on your odds to prevent a loss if the point is rolled.
Hence: you will only need to recoup 5 dollars per shooter round in order to profit slowly.
This is the most conservative strategy I have thought of so far.
Please note I still need to make a trip to casino, having played on app so far.
you can take the don't pass bet at any time correct?
Any thoughts on balancing 2, 3 , 12 losses on come bet with field bet?
Sick Brah!
Man , love the video , but throwing / slamming the dice 🎲 with 2 hands like your shooting a basketball 🏀 drove me crazy. Great strategy Thanks for sharing
Too late to fix that this time. So sorry!
Hey where did you go?I was hoping to see more videos.
I haven't thought of a better system, so no new video! But I think I will show a video at some point of how/when to step up to double units on everything.
@@brentauerbach6603 .... I gave you my system under this video in a different comment section, so you could review it and possibly do a new video. I still have not seen your review or discussion of it whether you liked, or disliked it, and WHY. I always love to discuss the why, to fully understand a person's thinking. I may not agree with their thinking, but understanding the why may give me a new perspective I didn't see, or think of myself.
If the point hits when all three come bets are up and you have full odds on the dont and the next come out roll is a seven you're hosed.
He mentions it at the end of his video. Well, it's gambling.
Hi do you ever use this system with electronic craps table
Have you updated this system? Have you developed another?
I played this strat on wizard of odds for 2 hours while my son watched Blaze and the Monster Machines.(Parents will understand) Ended up up 204 bucks. I pretended to only have 500 to start with, and play with min bet of 5. I can imagine those 2 hours being more like 4 in casino since it isnt just one guy hitting the roll button as fast as possible. This seems like a good strategy to keep yourself playing for a long time while minimizing your losses. I bet full odds on the don't pass when up against the 8 and 6 as the point though.
So see there you have it! Like I said earlier in a comment. You should always lay odds on the 6 or 8 even if it's just single odds.
That's exactly why I developed it, thanks! When I was a pure light-side better with points, three seven-outs in a roll could kill my whole day. Now I can last at the table, usually.
Love this system. I won and lost with it, but definitely had most fun so far. Question: if say the first 2 comes travel to the 6 and 4 with 3x odds and the next come bet rolls a 9, instead of leaving the 9 w/o odds why not bring the odds off the 4 to the 9 since the probability is better of rolling another 9?
mike000395 that is a valid play. Your odds bet has 4 rolls to win on 5/9, and only 3 rolls on 4/10
Because the 4/10 will pay better. I think it's the only way you can add more risk to this game and possibly make a few bucks.
Mathematically it doesn't matter since the payout on the odds are true, so your risk is the same $$ amount and your house edge remains the same. The only reason to move it would be superstition.
@@LightemupWMH What does true odds mean?
@@ducatitesteratta4177 the odds bets, they are paid with 0% house edge. They are paid at the true odds. So the odds of rolling a 4 vs a 7 are 2:1 (3 ways to roll a 4 vs 6 ways to roll a 7) and the payout on the odds for the 4 (&10) is 2:1.
Same goes for odds on the other points, 3:2 for 5&9 pays 3:2, 6:5 for the 6&8 pays 6:5.
What if you're fully loaded and consistently hit the point? You'll give all the gains back
I think you forgot to pay your Don't pass bet when you threw a 3 craps earlier in the video and it threw me off.
Treading Water at the Table for an hour and a half can earn you a Comp Dinner in many casinos, that's a clear WIN.
Actually, you'd be surprised at this. Most pit bosses I've come across have registered this as some version of the doey-don't. I usually get comped 4-6 dollars, TOTAL, even after 3-4 hours of play! But I don't care if I walk out with winnings. Short answer: do NOT expect comps with this method!
At what point do you start doubling the come bet?
I like your presentation. I'm going to try it this out at my local casino. Only have a small bankroll of 100 bucks.
So im only going to do single odds.
And don't put up any odds until two come bets make it up to a number.
Thanks 4 your strategy idea.
T Brown out.
Counting rolls does not help in anyway
The scenario at 25:25 you are super vulnerable. You have your come bets(with odds) and it's a come out roll (one unit on the DP). A seven would wipe out your whole board. Should you remove all your come bet odds to minimize exposure to only four units. Then when a point is established, replace your come bet odds?
The odds get returned to you on a 7 you don’t lose them when point is off
I can't believe I only found your video only now. Like your strategy and thanks for sharing. The only thing is in the Casino they only allow up to double the amount on the Don't Pass wager. So if the initial bet was $5, can only add up to $10 (double the Don't Pass wager). In the video I can see that you put up to $30 behind the $5 Don't Pass wager to hedge the Come bet. With the Casino restriction this is not possible which means potential big lost of the 3 Come bet in play with a 7 out against a small win on the Don't Pass. Is there a way to hedge this with the Casino restriction on the Don't Pass behind bet? The only I can think of is to bet $15 on the Don't pass line, like that I will be able to put up to $30 (the maximum Casino will allow) and use your strategy. The only thing is if a 7 come out before the come out roll, I loose the $15 bet.
Good video however when the 7 rolls after the comeout I want to make money. I want to use the 7 to my advantage.
Dude, you don't get paid in the don't pass on a come out 7 before a point is established. Otherwise it's a decent system but I make money playing $75 in the don't come so knocking that method right off the bat made me pretty skeptical immediately.
I like your system,, can you give more details on numbers or points hit before you switch over to the right side. I like this, only thing I can see to help is after you get your 3 come bets working as they hit replace them with a place bet to keep from losing all the come bets on a come out 7
In real life, after 3 points are made in a row I will test the waters on the light side. I'll start with a single pass line bet with odds, then build from there if things stay hot. Of course, there is no system in that. Switching sides is just guessing which side (light or dark) will be favored in the next stretch of rolls.
Importantly, there is never a point in "standing your ground with any system against a streaky table that is destroying you. Adapt, go with the flow, and win money. (It's also no fun to keep betting don't pass against an on-fire table!).
As for your second question: The best reason to use a place-bet replacement for a come win is to keep you active on that number (sometimes my system fully takes down bets on hot numbers). As for risk, I don't care about a come-out 7 on the passline that much (and neither does the Wizard of Odds). I'd rather risk the flat-bet portion of my bets and maybe win on the come out when one of my numbers is rolled. I love it, in fact, when my full bet is safely taken down and returned to me.
Thanks for the reply,, I have tried your play and I am also very conservative, If you have a 9 with triple odds and it hits right off it pays 29 $ I reduce it to single odds and then remove my don't pass odds, and try to lock up a profit to start without risking any more. I want ever get the big ins like this but smaller more regular wins is what I am after. I usually buy in for 400, and leave if I get up 100,, or lose 200. Keep me posted if you make any improvements or come up with another idea.\
The first few months I used this method, I would start removing don't odds (and even the don't bet!) as a roll got longer. I understand your decision to pull back your wins as they hit: it is sensible, conservative play. I'm after more of a profit. I buy in for 300 and am looking to get to 500: love that purple chip!! If the table gets hot, I will stay in past even that. I walk if I'm down more than 200.
All that said, in many cases the system just results in playing for 2-4 hours and breaking even. Maybe up or down $40. I'm happy with that, too. I just love the action at the table.
Brent, do you ever keep track of the points made such as make one point likely to hit a 2nd but then on third odds are he want hit 3,, surely not 4 and definitely not 5,, by this example not taking odds after they hit one point and increasing the odds after the 2nd point, and increasing odds after 3rd and 4th points made.
Nope. Never. Craps is a random game (no dice setter fights here, please!). You never know when the roller will roll 6 fours in a row. I don't track numbers. The only thing I do is occasionally bump up odds on a come bet number I feel has been hot. I will also occasionally refuse to lay don't odds against a number (say: 9) that seems to always be winning. Being cautious in this way is good, and can be a first step towards walking away as the method starts failing.
hi Brent. you have risk on that lay bet. why not try no risk after 1 hit. play on a $5 table if you can. I only bet on myself or a shooter that is a dice setter or advanced. take your time to track shooters. I skip the come out. I bet $110 inside 5-9. after 1 hit $35 profit. I will then tell the dealer pull my bets down... bet $5 or6 on the point. wait for another # then place another bet. your going back in gradually only betting your winnings. works really well. I'm not going to press till all the # up top hit. if it goes that far collect the first 1 press the second 1. practice on your shooting follow your no risk after 1 # you will be very successful player and not a gambler. Thanks for the video and passing on your knowledge...
you tube sucks: You say; "very successful player and not a gambler" ???? What about your $110 inside and the seven rolls before you get your hit and down? Isn't that gambling??? BTW, I've seen plenty of 'dice setters'/dice influencers PSO. What then when you are in the hole $110? Keep trying the same thing over & over? Sounds like gambling and the definition of insanity. Just say'n.
Yes Ken. There is no straight system because of house edge. If you go out 7out on the first roll after the come out. Then it's best to wait for the second roll after the come out on the next roll.I have seen new point then 7 out - 6 times in a row. That will happen. There will be other rolls where you can win 1 hit and down- best to pull down your bets when down!!! As far as dice setting - a lot a lot of physics involved and what a lot of players don't know is if you want to be a controlled thrower?? Then you have to do practice runs @ the casino table in order to win!!! This does work I would like to record it but I have been kicked out before. Throwing dice @ the end of table in a casino compared to a home table your going to have a different bounce of the dice. Dice will have different weight compared to dice @ home. When dice are manufactured they are not all singly calibrated. Some dice will be off weight a couple grams. So if your interested in dice setting - best to practice @ the casino when it's slow!!! Test your sets before betting on them. You can bet pass and don't pass together. Which will give you time to test your dice sets!!! You may lose 5$ on a come out 12. If you practice golf. A bucket of balls 5-10 $ ok. Practice in casinos =better results...
Best pull your bets down when you are up!!!
I’m not sure why you wouldn’t take odds on your don’t come right from the get go, at least the minimum.
The more important question is whether the piped in music at the casino uses any hexachordal combinatoriality. Hi from a former ESM undergrad!
Hi, Donny! I'm sure the casino does *not*, but I think craps is amenable to aleatoric composition. You could record a game and then provide a soundtrack with the payout amounts dictating the pitches. 1:1 payout is a unison. 2:1 is an octave. 6:5 is a minor third, 7:5 is a tritone, etc. No-one steal my idea!
Some of the UMass students have found me, also, by this point. Fortunately, most of them have no idea what I'm even talking about in this video. Craps is complicated enough, and this one relies on expertise with the don't bets!!
I like this!
Hi Brent, I like your system! how would you setup this system if you were playing on a $10 minimum bet table? Just because that's usually what I'm finding.
It's easy: just double everything. 10$ is a unit. So the progression goes from 10$ don't pass -- up to 10$ come -- and 30$ odds behind each come bet. The two increments you use behind the don't pass to balance the money on the come bets are $40 and $60 instead of $20 and $30. I recommend a $500 buy in.
Aaah! $40 & $60! That was the two I was forgetting to double correctly! Thanks!
Or you could bet 10 don’t pass, then 5 in the come with 3 units for odds once it is a point. Lastly, you can stick with a $20 don’t pass odds bet with 2 points working and $30 if there are 2 1/2 points.
are you allowed $5 come bets after you make the one minimum DP?
Thanks for your great video and system. My problem is I only have bubble craps $10 min bet and 2x Odds
Any suggestions?
I’ve been using $10 DP, then two $5 come bets with 10 Odds then a $10 come no odds
With full 2x Odds
Also I lay $42 on the 10 on come out
The triple odds on the 4 and 10 both is a waste imo you already have odds on the Don't Pass which is a far more likely hit than the 4 or 10. If the board 7's out you're losing a lot on the 4 and 10. Me personally if the Come went to a 4 or 10, I wouldn't put odds on it.
4s and 10s are where the big money is. I don't want to grind out winnings on the DP: I want my 4s and 10s with odds to hit. There is nothing like having a medium to large bet there pay off 2 to 1. In my mind, the purpose of all the DP action is to lay temporary cover for my light side come bets.
I agree with Brett in that when you have your two and a half come bets on the table, my preference would be to move the odds to the 6 or 8 as it is more likely they will hit before a 4 or 10.
I found a nice compromise - I go single odds 4 and 10; triple odds 5,6,8,9 --- works like a charm
I used to do something *exactly* like that. But you will kick yourself if 4 or 10 gets hot. My best rolls ever are when that happens.
@@bruceneedleman1179 - And pay less.
This is a stupid question, but why do your odds get returned to you at 34:46 in your video?
Nathan Roemer
I believe it's because on the come out roll your previous come points are ON but their respective odds are OFF as standard
Looks great for PSO table.
Nothing better, but don't celebrate too loudly!
Lol love how you tip the dealer
very interesting
Very nice
Congrats on your method. Need to ask you though why do you take 3x’s odds, risking more $ to the house, instead of 2x’s odds, breaking even on your Come bets when the 7 comes?
Technically speaking, odds aren't much of a risk. The extra bump you get from payouts (especially 5/9 and 4/10) make the investment worth it over time.
Would like to make a suggestion on tweaking your system, and get your feedback. I want to share a way with you in which the house has no edge when you bet with free odds through the Come.
What is the best bet possible in craps? Answer, True Free Odds: next to, or behind the Pass line, going through the Come, on the Don’t Pass line, & going through the Don’t Come! The standard straight flat only Pass line, Come, Don’t Pass, & Don’t Come is the problem that gives the casino their edge for the player that wants True Free Odds.
You will have complete control to choose what numbers you like, and if you want to take the true free odds on the number that was just rolled, bet against that same number with true free odds against that new number, or wait to establish more numbers, and then hedge.
Example: If you don’t like the 4 or 10, you don’t have to make the free true odds bet next to or behind the Pass line when the shooter establishes the 4 or 10 as the point. You can either leave it as a push/tie and or then later still use it as a hedge, or make a free odds bet against the point which is also called laying odds against the point. This system Kills the Casino’s Edge to almost nothing, and we have the True Odds in our favor! We start out with $5 Pass Line & @ the same time, $5 on the Don’t Pass Line. The only way you can lose is if the shooter rolls a 12. There is only 1 way to make a 12 out of 36 combinations on the dice. This is the house’s only edge, and it is very very small. Any other number will either push/tie out on 2, 3, 7, 11, Or will become the shooter’s point -with a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10. When the shooter establishes a point, you can decide if you like that number by taking true odds next to or behind the Pass line. I recommend if the point becomes 6 or 8, take true odds with/on the shooter. The Pass line is nulled out to be a push/tie no matter what happens. If the 7 shows, and the shooter does Not make their point, the Pass Line is still a push/tie because of the Don’t Pass bet, H O W E V E R you will lose your true free odds bet only. On the flip side if the shooter makes their point, again the Pass line is still a push/tie because of your Don’t Pass bet, and you win on the free odds bet! Now let’s say the shooter’s point is a 5 or 9. You decide if your risk tolerance can handle taking free odds with the shooter next to the Pass line, or if you want to lay the odds against the point, or just leave it as a push. You need to think, what is the trend of the table, hot, cold, or choppy? It’s your choice, the 5 & 9 will swing back and forth. Now when the shooter establishes a point of 4 or 10, then I am very cautious and either not bet the odds, or bet the minimum, unless the table is hot. Again it’s your call, the more you risk, the more your rewarded. This is the right side thinking, but you can flip it and go to the dark side by using the force and laying odds against the point. There are many ways to look at the cube, grasshopper. Now lets get more numbers, and the theory is the same. After the point is established with $5 on the Pass line & $5 on the Don’t Pass line, and say it’s a 6. You take free odds behind the Pass line, and now you want another number to see if you want to take free odds on that next number. You will now put $5 in the Come, & @ the same time, put $5 in the Don’t Come. Everything applies to this as the Pass and Don’t Pass did. When the shooter rolls a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10, then they both travel to that new number, and you can decide based on that new number, if you want to take free odds on that number! If not you can leave it as a push/tie because you Can’t Lose on that number, until you decide to put free odds on it or lay odds against it. If it becomes a number you don’t like, such as a 4 or 10, then don’t do anything, and put another $5 in the Come & @ the same time, put another $5 in the Don’t Come, and wait to see what number is rolled next. Then decide do you like that number. If you do, take free odds through the come, and the dealer will put your true free odds bet onto that new number. That’s from the right side table thinking. And of course you can flip that and think about how a dark side move would work for you. I want to show you another way to look at my system. Just start establishing pushes until you have at least a 4 or 10 set up as a push, and at the same time have a 6 or 8 set up as a push. Then you can hedge bet with laying odds against the 4 or 10 and at the same time take odds through the Come on the 6 or 8 and let the 7 be your push/tie. If you want to, you can also cut down your losses more with a hedge with the hard ways. Remember you can take down your odds at any time on any numbers too. You don’t have to be right side heavy, or wrong side heavy. You can keep going as long as you want, and or stop any time you wish and let the shooter roll. I have perfected my system by working backwards having only the free true odds working, and nullifying the Pass line which kills the house edge to almost nothing! Everyone please feel free to strongly critique my system.
Tried it this morning at pachanga casino, I'd would have to agree with this strategy. I turned $40 into $320 in 1 hour and the risk per bet was minimal fuckin exciting dude
I played this system over the weekend in Reno and had a great time with it! I left up $500 and it would have been more if I hadn't given some of it back playing blackjack and pai gow! A couple of seasoned craps players and even a dealer commented that it was a good system and they've seen everything! My friends gave me sone crap because we were at a hot table the last night and they won more than I did, but the two days before that they all lost money while I came out ahead. This is a great system that I had a great time with!
Would you consider throwing a 4/3 hop bet down to reduce the number of losing outcomes to 4 when a point just hits and we have come bets working?
where u play at mostly? i live in CT
Mohegan mostly. Like I said, it is $5 mins on weekday mornings, usually.
Do casino allow you to put odds that late into a roll? don't they require you to place your odds on the Don't Come right away after the point has been establish?
I mean "Don't Pass Line"
you can wait as long as you want to make odds bet --- the house actually prefers you NEVER make a true odds bet because it brings you closer to even with them
No
Marco Loo you asked two questions. Yes casinos allow you to make any odds bets (on the Dark/Wrong side-Don’t Pass or Don’t Come, and also on the Light/Right side-Pass Line or Come) at any time. ..... No, your Not required to put odds “right away” after the point has been established. .... Also you may take them down at any time too!
Marco Loo I have a system that the house has no edge when you make odds bets. If you want to know how you can nullify the Pass Line, Come, Don’t Pass, or Don’t Come when you make odds bets, then read my replys in this video.
Brent - I just played this about 1.5 hours online. I generally like the system. It's refreshing to actually win on that inevitable 7 on the next roll that follows establishing the point. Your variant is brilliant --- no fun going against 6 or 8. I roughly doubled my money despite running into a "sea of craps" on my come bets and multiple 7, 11 against the initial DP. One of the biggest challenges in craps is having the bankroll to make it the eventual 20-30 minute shooter who will make you money and then having the sense to color in when it does happen. This system makes that very possible by extending the time that you can hang around and enjoy the cocktail waitresses :-) Will give you a full report from Vegas in a couple months at March Madness
I also like the progressive hedge come bet that increases with each roll --- keeps you from being burned up by those chppy rolls. question: let's say you roll 5 then 6 then 9... you have triple odds on 5 and 6 and nothing on the 9. so you hit either the 5 or the 6 --- do you immediately transfer those triple odds to the 9 for the next roll? or do you bank it with the intention of playing those odds on the next come pint established?
*choppy *point
I hope some day you read everyone’s new to you comments and answer or comment back. Would like to pick your brains a little on the whys that your system has. And please don’t misinterprete this as me being negative or attacking because that is not the case. Just trying to understand some things. Thanks in advance for getting back with everyone. Hope you make more videos.
Okay, I'm here. What's on your mind?
Great strategy but to improve on it simply bet $10 dont pass line then $10 come back with $10 odds and $ come again
Do come bet odds work on the come out roll?
Odds are off on the come out
True, but you can specify that they remain on. I don't ever make that request, but I think the Wizard of Odds does recommend doing so. @@brianbearden3791
why not put $6 on the pass $12 on the don't and min on the point once it's established. if the point is a 4 or 10 and the shooter hits it you net $3 if not net $1, if it's 5 or 9 and hits net $1 if not net $2 and if it's 6 or 8 and hits you net $1 in not you're even. you only risk $6 on the come out.
What you suggest is a whole other system. I've dabbled with it, but found the come out losses outweigh the microscopic gains in the long run. I'm guessing your system wouldn't play well in a live casino: doey-don'ts players look like they have no idea what they're doing.
Anyone can play this system for fun, but it will not win in the long run. In fact, there is no system in craps that wins in the long run. Just play with any system that is fun for you and that does not risk much money.
That is correct! It is a losing system in the long run. I never claim otherwise. Anytime you win at craps, whatever the system, it is because you are lucky. But in this system, the idea is that, even when you lose, you last longer than you would with a normal Pass line + some numbers (light side) betting style.
correction 15 pays 21 and 16 pays 21
how do you feel about the "bubble craps" machine?
I'd avoid, since the reason I'm usually playing is to get near the real thing. But, assuming the machine is completely random, it should be the same as playing at your home computer. (You also need the same flexibility to call back your come odds when you need them!) So. . . if you have no table game offering or don't have the bankroll for it, the system should work at bubble craps as well.
I just need the real thing. I can't see myself ever giving bubble craps a try. Assuming it allows you to make all the bets you need, the system should behave the same way, though!
Too many questionable last second bounces.
@@biggawinnacrapsa3870 : I think bubble craps is legit and not rigged !!!!
Has anyone still play the method and does it still work
There is no system that works in craps so this system never works. If you think it works, play this system for many hours a week and see if you are ahead in a few months.
Why never incorporate some dont come bets?
He's not at that stage yet. Mechanical betting yields mechanical results.
I did it, won 175 in 45 minuets
Your method is very interesting! Do you use this same method when the table is "HOT". I assume you use this regardless of the action at the table?
It depends. If the table is hot AND rolling lots of non-point numbers, the come bets will likely still hit and I'll still win. After losing three or so don't bets with odds in a row, I'll back off that bet and even switch to the pass line. Remember, you only lose $5 on the don't pass if they make the point quickly.
Hot tables are special - don't miss out on the fun! You win bigger and faster when it's all light side wins working together. (I didn't want to show myself going back and forth between pass and don't pass. Even though I do that in real life, that isn't a full demonstrations of the betting system.)
As for your "regardless of action" comment, that is one of my favorite things about this method. I am comfortable walking up to any quiet table and starting this up. No 5-counts, no worries. Just tread water and wait for some streaks of numbers. I would NOT walk up to an on-fire table and try this there!!
I do not! At a super hot table I switch to three point Molly. Getting burned on don't pass after don't pass is NO fun and you will win almost nothing while the table roars.
jgroomasb You could set things up where you have a No 4 & or No 10 through the Don’t Come and also have your Come with odds on the 6 & or 8 and let the 7 be the tie. .... Then place bet the 6 & or 8 while going through the Come again when the table is hot to hopefully reestablish the 6 & or 8.
jgroomasb You could try something that I put on this video in a different reply. Would you like to know how you can Make True Free Odds bets at No Cost nullifying either the Pass line, Come, Don’t Pass, or Don’t Come?
Wow if anyone shoots dice like u, I get my money up or bet 7 or craps
While this "seems" like a grind system, it's really just a hedge system - a lot of confusing moving parts. If you make a mistake on any part of it, you jeopardize more money than you need to. It seems to be a slow bleed; video loses bankroll in the end. I stick with making the house pay for my 6,8 place bets before betting other numbers or pressing, and focus on making my BR last long enough for the 20+ roll hand. In the end, it's the 20+ roll that makes everyone money - not hedging.
The thing about waiting for the house to pay for your 6/8 bets, is that it often doesn't happen. Most of the time those bets will lose straight away (not even hitting once) with a 7.
By using the come, you are letting *7s and 11s* pay for your place bets (a much more reliable strategy) until lots of numbers really start to hit.
You are right that you will win a bit faster and a bit more with place bets if you find yourself in a 20+ roll, but who knows when that's coming? This system isn't meant to be used forever: it is just for choppy tables. When the table gets hot or cold, you have to adapt.
Any system played forever will bleed money. Look at 35:22 for an explanation as to why this is not a hedge system.
Scott Brenner
You basically just have to understand the statistics of the craps game. Most people just put a lot of money on the place bets and lose all there money on the first roll. So why not just play the don’t pass line Incase you do have a bad table that way you will break even at least. So just place 12$ on 6 and 8 and 10 with odds on the don’t pass. That way you can still be winning if the shooter hits the numbers and win if 7 outs. And the good thing about that strategy is you can take down all your bets
Brent Auerbach the 7 is still more likely to roll over the point 6 or 8 - math says 6 to 5 the 7 is coming over the 6 or 8 point. And, when you lay odds against a 6 or 8 point you win more when 7 comes because it’s true odds. In a 3x-4x-5x odds casino the 6/8 pays more on max odds on the 7 than does the 5/9 or 4/10 on the Don’t side. Mathematically the odds are still free and the 7 still shows more than either the 6 or 8. Still math.
@@education654321 - Yeah, I'm gonna take advice from some idiot that doesn't know the difference between 'there', 'their', and 'they're'. Teach me how to win, 654320!
One hand only.
You didn't pay your 2.
I used this system last night, bought in for $300 and in the end I walked away +$100. There were some nasty strings of points made that cost me my DP with $30 in odds, but ultimately things turned around. I was going against the 6 & 8, the 6 is where a guy would make it his point and then crush me just after I got up to full odds, 3 times in a row that happened made me want to puke. Did catch a lot of wins on the PSO on the flip side though the naturals were killing me in waves. It's an interesting play though.... thanks for the video!
I'm glad it worked out for you! You were really bold betting odds against the six and eight: remember I usually avoid doing that since those points are so easy to make.
You still have the edge AGAINST the 6 or 8 by 18 to 13. So in 31 times a 6 shows, 50% he will make it 13 times, 50% he will miss it 13 times and 5 times it will be missed 100%. You should therefore always(or should) lay the odds on them even if it's just single odds.
I just don’t understand why people play in such a convoluted way to avoid having too much at risk.
It's because the system *can* win but it stretches your time at the table. I used to play the pass and numbers, and could get cleaned out of $200 in ten minutes. With this system, I've lost, but never been cleaned out that fast. I've also won with it, which is the goal.
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