Just started sailing. While there's a lot of trash talk I've found other boaters to be among the kinder more generous people I've met. Always there to assist newbies. Have had a great time so far and am moving from a 23' Erickson to a 30' Catalina. Plan to take some sailing lessons soon after reading the books recommended by the ASA. My boat partner knows a lot more than I do.
Once upon a time I decided I wanted to buy a sailboat. Had done a bit of dinghy sailing and thought a 20-something-footer would be fun. I walked onto the deck of a 28' boat, looked at all the rigging, the instruments, the engine, and thought "Damn! Better get some lessons first!" Spent the next three years at the Baltimore Downtown Sailing Center, working my way up from Crew to Skipper, and got an ASA and US Sailing certification along the way. When I finally bought my own Capital Yachts Newport 28, I felt very comfortable single-handing her in all conditions on Chesapeake Bay. Definitely get the lessons first!
It really went wrong when he bought a sailboat because he wanted that cheap wind to power his boat. He needs to go back to his farm and practice on his farm tractor.
Conditions look really still. The impression given is that the helmsman basically doesn't know how to steer or control a boat. It would seem better for a student or newbie to get a basic feel for control of the boat in more open water where there aren't so many things to hit, letting them learn in tight docking situations when they don't have the basics down seems a bit reckless. I'd imagine they'd have a hard time staying insured if they had incidents like this all the time, or if their insurer ever got a look at this video.
championskyeterrier the current is extremely strong at pier 39 despite what the conditions might appear. That being said... *face palm* it seems like this would've happened even in no current!
Surely there must have been some sort of mechanical failure on the boat for it to be that bad. I can handle a boat with moderate issues better than that.
You don't have to wait long in a Marina to see this sort of thing and worse. Best time to see it is the weekends, in the morning they are crashing out and in the afternoon crashing back in, often drunk.
We had a rudder on a Catalina 30 that worked fine at the dock but would only turn right when the engine was running - the rudder post was worn and would bind when the prop wash hit it
Guys like this typically want help. I had a guy next to my boat with a new 40.5 it was beautiful! He didn’t know anything about it and was grateful for lessons. He’s was pretty good by the end of the season.
The skipper turned hard to starboard without reducing the thrust which has resulted in the bow turning 90 degrees right then continuing the turn towards the docks, look at how big was his turning curve, he should have gone to idle and straightened the rudder as soon as his stern was out of the dock and if he was still going too fast and straight towards the facing docks/boats then a small kick in reverse will slow the boat and assist the bow in turning to starboard.
Yeah, steering a sailboat under power in a marina is a finesse thing that needs a subtle touch and good judgement because of delays in the helm response, especially at low speed and in reverse. This was horrible...hoping they get more practice in a safer location.
the first time i might say that a boat needs air-bags. i dont no shit about sailing, i want to, but i do know you should turn if things get in your way, like docks, other boats, flipper maybe.
A culmination of money and ignorance converging. Truly insane. ::smh:: Ps: I realize this IS a sailboat, but I cannot imagine the horror to add some wind to docking.
As everyone know, when a sailboat is under mechanical power it's considered a power vessel and should be handled as such! I am wondering how the hell he backed the boat into the slip without ripping the dock apart? Maybe he was juiced and managed to do it properly! Nah he paid the dock hands to do it!
They are easy to handle it just takes a lot of practice, you can almost do a 360 with a couple of meters of space in-front and behind if you really know what you are doing.
I have sailed on this boat. Found him on the Go Sailing app. He will basically let anyone on the helm. You're right though, the gears are super cludgy, like a puzzle box - pair that with someone who doesn't understand water flow over the rudder and it's a disaster.
@@danfinger He let's other people take it out without him you're saying? Also, can you explain the water flow over the rudder? I thought the prop turns like on an outboard? No?
@@getstuk87 dan finger didn't say the owner lets people take it out without him, just that he lets them steer the boat. The prop is not steerable like on an outboard engine, its shaft direction is fixed to the hull. The propeller is placed in front of the rudder so giving some power in forward gear will create a water flow from the propeller over the rudder that makes the rudder more effective than what is given only by the boats speed through the surrounding water. In reverse gear, you will not have the benefit of this.
Generally people do one of two things when frightened/pressured; they either freeze in panic or they automatically galvanise themselves in to action and make a plan. Anyone who is in the first camp shouldn't be on the water.
I hate the "galvanise themselves to action" people who gun their boats hard. Seriously - slow is pro. SLOW THE HELL DOWN if you are uncertain. On a calm day like the day you see keeping energy out of the boat, just drifting if you can't figure it out is WAY better than this galvanized to action high speed crashing into things. On a dead flat day like you see here if you can't figure it out, stop the boat, let it drift, lift a fender and put it in between where you'll bump, no damage.
I don't remember which study had come to this conclusion, but it had found that of those who "automatically galvanise themselves into action" (about 10% of the population), about half of those so galvanised consistently make the correct, "good", choices, while the other 50% of that group consistently make "wrong" decisions, i.e., decisions that worsen the outcome.
The current is the problem, so going slow is exactly what he shouldn't do. His going so slow the current is pushing his bow, and he can't recover without backing up. He has to power through the current.
Initially I thought maybe a mechanical issue. Then... The oversteer... That validates your concern. This person needs to relinquish the helm. Immediately!
John Speck: First of all is why didn't the guy on the bow scream "reverse" or "go left" (that is assuming that the skipper did not know what port meant).. What is it with you people? All of the time, you just stand there looking at what is going on as if you had four legs. About the only time any body ever says anything is when they exclaim, "Oh my God".
Here's my guess- the skipper is not a sailor, but a powerboater. I think the skipper was steering with the screws only! A sailboat is an unbelievably maneuverable thing with the least bit of headway because of the rudder. There was plenty.. the least little flick of the wheel and that boat could have been pointed in any direction. Really bizarre.
when i was learning, i certainly made the mistake of trying to drive it like a car--- in the sense that i gave it not enough power or rudder, then wondered why i was not turning. luckily never to this extent though. At the same time, the skipper gets one and done in my opinion-- you hit someone else's boat, its time to give the wheel to your mate.
That happens if the engine dies, or if there is too much growth on the rudder, so it doesn't answer the helm, but they don't seem to try not to hit other stuff,
Especially on a boat I haven't been on before I put helm over both directions IN THE SLIP. There is no need to wait till you are under way to test this out. If you are uncertain about boat leave it tied up, check to make sure good spring lines without slack, and put it in gear in idle (I normally start with reverse in case dock lines have a problem - more time to fix). You can actually see rudder effect on prop wash right at the dock AND can confirm which way prop turns for reverse for prop walk. Now you've run engine for a bit under some load, you've gotten a handle on prop walk for reversing particularly or tight turns (use prop walk in the back and fill), and you've confirmed no rudder issues. Sometimes issues can be at the wheel as well, something sticking through spokes etc. This case looks like issues at skipper level. If you get stuck just stay stopped, if you can't steer (I doubt that) don't power up boat.
Lemme ask a stupid question: Does this particular boat have a retractable keel? The way it's sliding out there it doesn't look like it has one. When a sailboat's keel is 100% retracted, it has all the steerage of a beach ball. Drop it a few feet, and you're good to go.
Aye, there was a downward current sucking him into shore and the boat knew it as it tried to get back to the safety of the dock. But no, the captain went out anyways and was never heard from again. It was a good thing too.
I was about to say don't judge them too harshly.... then the demolition derby started.... Did you provide video to the owners of the power boat that got rammed?
Yeah... and some people want to make flying cars for everybody to own. People can't handle two dimensions yet they want to navigate in three. people will be falling out of the skies all over the place.
Good points, also lucky technology can avoid collisions for flying cars I hope, i like that scene in that movie Total Recall, where cab driver played by Bruce Willis, parks his flying taxi-cab mid air in down town New York in that movie.
That's horrifying... never been quite that out of control / frozen in fear. My first bad experience: First time un-docking my little C27. I was immediately caught off guard when she wouldn't respond to any tiller position in reverse even at full throttle. Seemed to just go straight back and slightly starboard (towards my neighbor). I kept thinking, what am I doing wrong? I would throw the tiller a bit to force me away from my neighbor and try again (something that only works in a small boat). But after 3 attempts, gave up. Didn't panic, just changed plans. I had capable dock hands standing by and figured we can suck it back in or try something else. Finally decided I would just go straight back into the lane as close to the aft vessel as I could safely get, then jammed it forward full throttle where it turned on her center. At one point, a by-stander yelled: "Ya, good luck trying to get that little 2 blade to respond in reverse!" That was seriously embarrassing! Once in the bay, I practiced a few times and realized the bystander was correct. It took well over 4 boat lengths to see any turn at all in reverse. Basically, my plan B would become plan A from now on. But we had a plan C which was let the dock hands pull her back into the slip. No plan should involve potentially hitting your neighbors! Hopefully these people left their insurance info at least. Main issue with people like this, is they have zero plan at all. No thought went into leaving the dock. Best safety is have dock hands you can pick up later at the fuel dock and have help for your first time with a new vessel.
Hi James, you probably have figured everything out after all that time. In that case this may help someone else. Reversing a single engine boat is often tricky. Your propeller moves more water at its lowest point than at its high point. If your propeller turns clockwise when in reverse, your stern moves to starboard. Mine does the same. When I go astern and the rear starts moving to the right, I give a very short burst forward to correct the alignment of the boat. Then I put the engine back in reverse for a few meters until I have to correct the course again. You can use this effect to your advantage... when you moor the boat along a dock (or in a lock) at your starboard side, a bit of reverse power will pull your stern towards the dock. Handy when handling the boat by yourself ;-)
People think a boat is like driving a sports car! They don't realize it 30 feet long and a few tons! You gotta drive them like an 18 wheeler ! That does include wind and waves!
Can soneone explain me what the f*ck happened there??? We have a 33 f sailingboat and we see so many horrible things , mostly from rentboats. But this..?!?! It‘s like they were not using the steering wheel. I think many people underestimate the difficulty to “drive” a boat. We began with a little 4 meters motorboat, then a 6 meters sailboat, then a 9,95x2,95 sailboat and now a 10,05x3,45 sailboat. So we learned slowly and safely. And of course where we live we need to get a licence doing classes etc. But in general, the most important thing: first think about what you are going to do, then do things slowly(!!!), if they don’t work out just go back to the beginning and try again. When we go into the harbout and need to dock we first see how the current and the wind is and how it is going to move the boat and how we can use these powers in our advantage. Then we think about what we are going to do and how, and then slowly we do it.
Captain Freddy there's some real stupid people behind wheel on a boat. When I did commercial fishing we used a Minesweeper. From the Vietnam era. Fiberglass hull 10 ft wide 36 ft long. Powered by a 671 with a two and a half foot diameter 3 blade prop. We were towing a beam trawl net. We even built our own nets. The net design was based on a Italian design. The original nets we had were built by the Italian brothers we got the design from. After the brothers passed away we had to build our own Nets to harvest shrimp to sell to bait shops all around the Bay Area. On an average day Our delivery truck covered over 350 miles. That was a 12 hour work day. Sometimes I would drive the delivery truck at other times I would be on the shrimp boat as a deckhand the boat captain was my best friend. The sad thing is diabeetus and hepatitis took him away. He was 61 and a half years old. I miss the good old days when we weren't shrimping we were at the shooting range with our rifles and handguns. That's if we weren't out hunting waterfowl. For a guy that's using beam trawl Nets to fish with. He needs to have three Nets one he's working on the boat with a backup in case that one gets damaged and one that he's building every year we would build a new net. By the time we retired from fishing. There were enough nets for the captain son to take over the boat and run it the rest of his life. We also had a reserved 671 sitting on the garage floor at the Captain's House. It's not uncommon to get about 20 years of use out of a 671.
This is why I think a proper Navigational education should be mandatory passed a certain boat size. I own a 33' sailboat and a 47' power boat , and nobody asked me anything when I purchased them and insured them. Only regular driving license for car is needed. I came from France where you can't sail any kind of boat past a certain power or size without having a specific license that is not that easy to get. This skipper might be used to power boat (or not) and doesn't realize that maneuvering a sailboat is a completely different story . Understanding the prop woke and the physics of a hull as well as inertia is key is this case. Speed is not a friend and can have the opposite effect of what is desired. The prop woke can be reduced at minimum backing speed but the effect of a rudder to steer the boat baking with too much power is close to zero and the prop woke is affecting even more. Anyway I feel sorry for him, and his crew was probably not educated to help either. Thank you for sharing, it helps to educate people on what not to do and consider that a boat is evolving on a moving surface, people have a tendency to forget it.
I have this weird compulsion to throw full beer cans at seafaring clowns like those guys, while screaming "turn the '&# frudder, ease up on the throttle, hoist the mainsail, belay the order, etc, etc."
most boats don't have an indicator that tells you where your rubber is pointing. that said, the first crunch sure looks like "got distracted" sort of thing. Also backing up reverses the steering, which makes it more difficult. And as others said... practice steering in more open water!!
LOL I must not be sexist I promise - but reminds me of my wife on our little boat - honestly - - - exactly the same - - - but I love her so much - so it doesn't matter - great video john -thank you!
I read all the comments seems I was the only one who noticed the video was "sped" up and you could see the movement of the people on the boat sped up as unatural. Dang couldnt none of yal tell by the sound that it was fake as hell?
My step father bought a power boat first. He ripped the cleats off the dock once he even ripped off the outboard. Then he decided to buy a power boat, got it stuck on a muddy bank at low tide ran the whole boat up on the bank, 3k in repairs to the engine and bottom it too the repair guy a week to flush the mud out it the engine. Then when things were running again he had a dock built at our house on the river, he ripped the dock out when he and his drunk buddies decided to go fishing early one morning ( mom wouldn’t let me go) dad said yeah he will be the only one sober in the boat to drive or dock the boat. I stopped at the Marina to buy me some sodas I took the keys with me one of the guys untied the boat so they could drift fish while I was in buy my sodas. It took the coast guard two days to find the boat with them passed out drunk in the boat. Out sea! After that mom shot holes in both boats.
...first time on a tiller? I'm so glad I've learned to sail without an engine at all. Yes, I've had my share of screw ups, but when the wind is blowing you, you at least have an excuse.
Oh dear.First time my Dad took the helm of the hire boat,he got us stuck on a sandbank in the river.He was so used to driving cars,I suppose.I was 13 ,never driven anything,but someone had to get us moving and after ten minutes,my Mum insisted on me steering from then on.We had a 36 foot boat for 2 weeks and i docked in many places smaller than this.Never hit anything and seemed to impress a lot of old salts,which was very pleasing to my teenage female ego.These eejits need ten minutes to learn their left from right.
Just started sailing. While there's a lot of trash talk I've found other boaters to be among the kinder more generous people I've met. Always there to assist newbies. Have had a great time so far and am moving from a 23' Erickson to a 30' Catalina. Plan to take some sailing lessons soon after reading the books recommended by the ASA. My boat partner knows a lot more than I do.
Once upon a time I decided I wanted to buy a sailboat. Had done a bit of dinghy sailing and thought a 20-something-footer would be fun. I walked onto the deck of a 28' boat, looked at all the rigging, the instruments, the engine, and thought "Damn! Better get some lessons first!"
Spent the next three years at the Baltimore Downtown Sailing Center, working my way up from Crew to Skipper, and got an ASA and US Sailing certification along the way. When I finally bought my own Capital Yachts Newport 28, I felt very comfortable single-handing her in all conditions on Chesapeake Bay.
Definitely get the lessons first!
Good to see Helen Keller enjoying her new boat!
I can see where things went wrong. It all started when they uncleated the dock lines.
What does uncleated dock lines actually mean , cheers.
@@kenlee-97 Just another way to say "castng off the lines" when a boat is leaving dock.
It really went wrong when he bought a sailboat because he wanted that cheap wind to power his boat.
He needs to go back to his farm and practice on his farm tractor.
@@dangre00 thanks, i thought he was doing it in an un-orthodox way of letting go lines. cheers.
The forward sheet should be in with Boult and headsail
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
What will we do with a drunken sailor?
Early in the morning!
I teach docking and un-docking on YOUR boat. Great lessons learned for all here.
Credit card captains at their finest
Cap’n Crunch doing what he does best. 😄😄😄
Owner: "HARD TO PORT!"
'Skipper': "I thought we were leaving port?!?
Port means left side of the boat dumbfuck
17Industries 😂
LMAO! That's comedic gold!
@@A.Matt7 That's the joke. Get it?
@@wandarebiejo6409 obviously not stupid az
Conditions look really still. The impression given is that the helmsman basically doesn't know how to steer or control a boat. It would seem better for a student or newbie to get a basic feel for control of the boat in more open water where there aren't so many things to hit, letting them learn in tight docking situations when they don't have the basics down seems a bit reckless. I'd imagine they'd have a hard time staying insured if they had incidents like this all the time, or if their insurer ever got a look at this video.
championskyeterrier the current is extremely strong at pier 39 despite what the conditions might appear. That being said... *face palm* it seems like this would've happened even in no current!
Surely there must have been some sort of mechanical failure on the boat for it to be that bad. I can handle a boat with moderate issues better than that.
Embarrassing disasters
If so they wouldn't have gone out...
championskyeterrier t h
The poor fender dragging behind over the jetty... XD By that moment you could tell it's gonna be good!
This makes me feel so good about docking now hahaha
hi this dock God about now
You don't have to wait long in a Marina to see this sort of thing and worse. Best time to see it is the weekends, in the morning they are crashing out and in the afternoon crashing back in, often drunk.
We had a rudder on a Catalina 30 that worked fine at the dock but would only turn right when the engine was running - the rudder post was worn and would bind when the prop wash hit it
They are driving the boat like a car, thinking they are steering the front wheels. On a boat, you steer the back end, and you slide with inertia.
That's the fault when they leave their own dock scraping the port rear end of the boat but that does not explain the rest of the maneuvering.
Guys like this typically want help. I had a guy next to my boat with a new 40.5 it was beautiful! He didn’t know anything about it and was grateful for lessons. He’s was pretty good by the end of the season.
The skipper turned hard to starboard without reducing the thrust which has resulted in the bow turning 90 degrees right then continuing the turn towards the docks, look at how big was his turning curve, he should have gone to idle and straightened the rudder as soon as his stern was out of the dock and if he was still going too fast and straight towards the facing docks/boats then a small kick in reverse will slow the boat and assist the bow in turning to starboard.
That's my M29 in the background; glad I wasn't there at the time!
It's a great way to meet your neighbours.
Dear Leader , To sink Your Neighbors?
Funny AF
They would NOT like to meet me. I promise!
Yeah, steering a sailboat under power in a marina is a finesse thing that needs a subtle touch and good judgement because of delays in the helm response, especially at low speed and in reverse. This was horrible...hoping they get more practice in a safer location.
you can stop the engine and throw out the anker too. pluss steel boats can leave the marina how they want.
maybe the skipper should go to sailing school instead of making fun of them
@LeacH Torrent : watch your foul language, you mouth breather!
There's one or two of those in every marina! The owner who doesn't have a clue.
the first time i might say that a boat needs air-bags. i dont no shit about sailing, i want to, but i do know you should turn if things get in your way, like docks, other boats, flipper maybe.
You said they were back in their slip in an hour, was that after an hour of trying to leave the marina?
DaebakMonkey an hour after they managed to leave the slip ;)
Man that's rough. I feel sorry for the owners of the other boats because they might have their boating plans wrecked. Fair Winds!
He attac..
He protecc..
But most importantly
He don't know how to reverse bacc..
A culmination of money and ignorance converging. Truly insane. ::smh::
Ps: I realize this IS a sailboat, but I cannot imagine the horror to add some wind to docking.
It is a power boat in this situation.
They should re-name it "RUN-A-MUCK".
As everyone know, when a sailboat is under mechanical power it's considered a power vessel and should be handled as such! I am wondering how the hell he backed the boat into the slip without ripping the dock apart? Maybe he was juiced and managed to do it properly! Nah he paid the dock hands to do it!
@@marcusbutzin8565 except sailboat same size Never be so manovereble as the motorboat
They are easy to handle it just takes a lot of practice, you can almost do a 360 with a couple of meters of space in-front and behind if you really know what you are doing.
It looks like there is something mechanical problem with gears/linkage. Offcourse good skipper won't go sailing with bad boat.
I have sailed on this boat. Found him on the Go Sailing app. He will basically let anyone on the helm. You're right though, the gears are super cludgy, like a puzzle box - pair that with someone who doesn't understand water flow over the rudder and it's a disaster.
@@danfinger He let's other people take it out without him you're saying? Also, can you explain the water flow over the rudder? I thought the prop turns like on an outboard? No?
@@getstuk87 dan finger didn't say the owner lets people take it out without him, just that he lets them steer the boat. The prop is not steerable like on an outboard engine, its shaft direction is fixed to the hull. The propeller is placed in front of the rudder so giving some power in forward gear will create a water flow from the propeller over the rudder that makes the rudder more effective than what is given only by the boats speed through the surrounding water. In reverse gear, you will not have the benefit of this.
@@skunkjobb awesome explanation-YOU SHOULD TEACH THIS SUBJECT ONE DAY ,IF YOU DON'T ALREADY DO.(MY QUALS. -M-24 master, M.E.D.-3 ; marine engineer).
Whoever made that boat couldn’t decide if it was going to be a sailboat or a powerboat.
If someone asks "why is there a Coast Guard?" show em this video
Coast Guard never help with docking the boat.
And that was in dead flat calm.. can you imagine them leaving in 30 kt winds?
He must have one of those tillers that only turns one direction!
Holy moly! Skipper is a disaster. He/she should be back at the dock reviewing basic boat handling.
Generally people do one of two things when frightened/pressured; they either freeze in panic or they automatically galvanise themselves in to action and make a plan. Anyone who is in the first camp shouldn't be on the water.
I hate the "galvanise themselves to action" people who gun their boats hard. Seriously - slow is pro. SLOW THE HELL DOWN if you are uncertain. On a calm day like the day you see keeping energy out of the boat, just drifting if you can't figure it out is WAY better than this galvanized to action high speed crashing into things.
On a dead flat day like you see here if you can't figure it out, stop the boat, let it drift, lift a fender and put it in between where you'll bump, no damage.
I don't remember which study had come to this conclusion, but it had found that of those who "automatically galvanise themselves into action" (about 10% of the population), about half of those so galvanised consistently make the correct, "good", choices, while the other 50% of that group consistently make "wrong" decisions, i.e., decisions that worsen the outcome.
Slow & steady ... STOO-PID!! 😣
The current is the problem, so going slow is exactly what he shouldn't do. His going so slow the current is pushing his bow, and he can't recover without backing up. He has to power through the current.
Initially I thought maybe a mechanical issue. Then... The oversteer... That validates your concern. This person needs to relinquish the helm. Immediately!
you know you're in trouble when you hear someone yell " ok lets do it again but this time FASTER.
John Speck:
First of all is why didn't the guy on the bow scream "reverse" or "go left" (that is assuming that the skipper did not know what port meant).. What is it with you people? All of the time, you just stand there looking at what is going on as if you had four legs. About the only time any body ever says anything is when they exclaim, "Oh my God".
on the other hand... much better video when the person holding the camera isn't chattering over the action.
When the owner says what happened? Skipper says .. I don't know.. says it all
What an AMATEUR! He's NOT safe to be around.
I saw something approximately this dumb on a naval base. The captain lost their license on the spot.
Here's my guess- the skipper is not a sailor, but a powerboater. I think the skipper was steering with the screws only! A sailboat is an unbelievably maneuverable thing with the least bit of headway because of the rudder. There was plenty.. the least little flick of the wheel and that boat could have been pointed in any direction. Really bizarre.
Yeah, my Hunter 31 turns on a dime. I have trouble with powerboats because they only turn if it's in gear and driving.
when i was learning, i certainly made the mistake of trying to drive it like a car--- in the sense that i gave it not enough power or rudder, then wondered why i was not turning. luckily never to this extent though. At the same time, the skipper gets one and done in my opinion-- you hit someone else's boat, its time to give the wheel to your mate.
O had a garbage bag or something similar foul my prop once , it was not pretty because of the wind and current and no thrust. But not that bad
I cant't make up my mind:
Who is worse: the boat or the crew?
That happens if the engine dies, or if there is too much growth on the rudder, so it doesn't answer the helm, but they don't seem to try not to hit other stuff,
It also happens with bad throttle and rudder coordination.
Especially on a boat I haven't been on before I put helm over both directions IN THE SLIP. There is no need to wait till you are under way to test this out. If you are uncertain about boat leave it tied up, check to make sure good spring lines without slack, and put it in gear in idle (I normally start with reverse in case dock lines have a problem - more time to fix). You can actually see rudder effect on prop wash right at the dock AND can confirm which way prop turns for reverse for prop walk. Now you've run engine for a bit under some load, you've gotten a handle on prop walk for reversing particularly or tight turns (use prop walk in the back and fill), and you've confirmed no rudder issues. Sometimes issues can be at the wheel as well, something sticking through spokes etc.
This case looks like issues at skipper level. If you get stuck just stay stopped, if you can't steer (I doubt that) don't power up boat.
Well Jim! Fancy running into you around here.
Hold my beer, watch this
Lemme ask a stupid question: Does this particular boat have a retractable keel? The way it's sliding out there it doesn't look like it has one. When a sailboat's keel is 100% retracted, it has all the steerage of a beach ball. Drop it a few feet, and you're good to go.
Fascinating.
I have a Catalina Capri 22 foot and it's easy leaving the dock.
Aye, there was a downward current sucking him into shore and the boat knew it as it tried to get back to the safety of the dock. But no, the captain went out anyways and was never heard from again. It was a good thing too.
Skipper: "Prepare to ram!".
I was about to say don't judge them too harshly.... then the demolition derby started.... Did you provide video to the owners of the power boat that got rammed?
Yeah... and some people want to make flying cars for everybody to own. People can't handle two dimensions yet they want to navigate in three. people will be falling out of the skies all over the place.
Good points, also lucky technology can avoid collisions for flying cars I hope, i like that scene in that movie Total Recall, where cab driver played by Bruce Willis, parks his flying taxi-cab mid air in down town New York in that movie.
That's horrifying... never been quite that out of control / frozen in fear. My first bad experience:
First time un-docking my little C27. I was immediately caught off guard when she wouldn't respond to any tiller position in reverse even at full throttle. Seemed to just go straight back and slightly starboard (towards my neighbor). I kept thinking, what am I doing wrong? I would throw the tiller a bit to force me away from my neighbor and try again (something that only works in a small boat). But after 3 attempts, gave up. Didn't panic, just changed plans. I had capable dock hands standing by and figured we can suck it back in or try something else. Finally decided I would just go straight back into the lane as close to the aft vessel as I could safely get, then jammed it forward full throttle where it turned on her center. At one point, a by-stander yelled: "Ya, good luck trying to get that little 2 blade to respond in reverse!" That was seriously embarrassing! Once in the bay, I practiced a few times and realized the bystander was correct. It took well over 4 boat lengths to see any turn at all in reverse. Basically, my plan B would become plan A from now on. But we had a plan C which was let the dock hands pull her back into the slip. No plan should involve potentially hitting your neighbors! Hopefully these people left their insurance info at least.
Main issue with people like this, is they have zero plan at all. No thought went into leaving the dock. Best safety is have dock hands you can pick up later at the fuel dock and have help for your first time with a new vessel.
Hi James, you probably have figured everything out after all that time. In that case this may help someone else. Reversing a single engine boat is often tricky. Your propeller moves more water at its lowest point than at its high point. If your propeller turns clockwise when in reverse, your stern moves to starboard. Mine does the same. When I go astern and the rear starts moving to the right, I give a very short burst forward to correct the alignment of the boat. Then I put the engine back in reverse for a few meters until I have to correct the course again.
You can use this effect to your advantage... when you moor the boat along a dock (or in a lock) at your starboard side, a bit of reverse power will pull your stern towards the dock. Handy when handling the boat by yourself ;-)
wish they'd hit more
People think a boat is like driving a sports car! They don't realize it 30 feet long and a few tons! You gotta drive them like an 18 wheeler ! That does include wind and waves!
Steven Jefferies
But the was no wind and no waves, or current.
“Slow is Pro”
Exactly
I think for my _first_ attempt at steering a boat/ship will be a luxury liner. What could go wrong?
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watching this video makes me so glad to know that I have no interest in EVER owning a boat
Can soneone explain me what the f*ck happened there???
We have a 33 f sailingboat and we see so many horrible things , mostly from rentboats. But this..?!?! It‘s like they were not using the steering wheel.
I think many people underestimate the difficulty to “drive” a boat. We began with a little 4 meters motorboat, then a 6 meters sailboat, then a 9,95x2,95 sailboat and now a 10,05x3,45 sailboat. So we learned slowly and safely. And of course where we live we need to get a licence doing classes etc.
But in general, the most important thing: first think about what you are going to do, then do things slowly(!!!), if they don’t work out just go back to the beginning and try again.
When we go into the harbout and need to dock we first see how the current and the wind is and how it is going to move the boat and how we can use these powers in our advantage. Then we think about what we are going to do and how, and then slowly we do it.
Just sit right back and hear a tale.........
Wait for the sailing school, they don't pay attention should have been Wait for the sailing school and see if you can get an application.
JAJAJAJAJA, WEEKEND WARRIORS!! LACK OF PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, AND A GOOD EXPERIENCED BOAT CAPTAIN !
They don't seem to understand the need for water to be flowing over the control surfaces? Or maybe its a long keel with small rudder?
How do you know that they did not have a rudder problem?
That seemed with in acceptable limits to me.
LOL
Some people are Captain material and some are not. I'm retired from a 25-year commercial fishing career.
who cares?
Captain Freddy there's some real stupid people behind wheel on a boat. When I did commercial fishing we used a Minesweeper. From the Vietnam era. Fiberglass hull 10 ft wide 36 ft long. Powered by a 671 with a two and a half foot diameter 3 blade prop. We were towing a beam trawl net. We even built our own nets. The net design was based on a Italian design. The original nets we had were built by the Italian brothers we got the design from. After the brothers passed away we had to build our own Nets to harvest shrimp to sell to bait shops all around the Bay Area. On an average day Our delivery truck covered over 350 miles. That was a 12 hour work day. Sometimes I would drive the delivery truck at other times I would be on the shrimp boat as a deckhand the boat captain was my best friend. The sad thing is diabeetus and hepatitis took him away. He was 61 and a half years old. I miss the good old days when we weren't shrimping we were at the shooting range with our rifles and handguns. That's if we weren't out hunting waterfowl. For a guy that's using beam trawl Nets to fish with. He needs to have three Nets one he's working on the boat with a backup in case that one gets damaged and one that he's building every year we would build a new net. By the time we retired from fishing. There were enough nets for the captain son to take over the boat and run it the rest of his life. We also had a reserved 671 sitting on the garage floor at the Captain's House. It's not uncommon to get about 20 years of use out of a 671.
Captain Freddy I imagine you're probably not Captain material that's why you went on defense.
I think I would have called the harbor master or 911. There is no excuse to taking out a boat when you are not competent.
I ave never heard of the Marina Management telling one of these hazards to take their boat somewhere else...
This is exactly what happens when you borrow sailboat to someone who is used to rib/motorboat
I beg to differ. It works both ways
Once they turned out of the slip why did he keep turning? Weird. The skipper keeps turning the boat. Very strange.
Just maybe he' needs to sale the boat !!
That's one way to meet neighbors.
It sounds like an unpleasant way at that.
This is why I think a proper Navigational education should be mandatory passed a certain boat size. I own a 33' sailboat and a 47' power boat , and nobody asked me anything when I purchased them and insured them. Only regular driving license for car is needed. I came from France where you can't sail any kind of boat past a certain power or size without having a specific license that is not that easy to get. This skipper might be used to power boat (or not) and doesn't realize that maneuvering a sailboat is a completely different story . Understanding the prop woke and the physics of a hull as well as inertia is key is this case. Speed is not a friend and can have the opposite effect of what is desired. The prop woke can be reduced at minimum backing speed but the effect of a rudder to steer the boat baking with too much power is close to zero and the prop woke is affecting even more. Anyway I feel sorry for him, and his crew was probably not educated to help either. Thank you for sharing, it helps to educate people on what not to do and consider that a boat is evolving on a moving surface, people have a tendency to forget it.
I have no words.
Funny video. Like The 3 Stooges taking out a sailboat. Does the skipper, or the crew for that matter, have any idea what they're doing?
I have this weird compulsion to throw full beer cans at seafaring clowns like those guys, while screaming "turn the '&# frudder, ease up on the throttle, hoist the mainsail, belay the order, etc, etc."
My God! The owner should have stopped them from leaving at the point he hit the other boat for the first time.
Money is a hell of a thing
That mushroom soup was delicious!
Is this another SEMEN joke to go with the ones already above!
It´s strange. It seems the boat has some problem with stearing... I find it hard to believe that someone couldn´t turn right or left.....
Simão Marques "Hard to port?!?! But we are trying to leave port!"
most boats don't have an indicator that tells you where your rubber is pointing. that said, the first crunch sure looks like "got distracted" sort of thing. Also backing up reverses the steering, which makes it more difficult. And as others said... practice steering in more open water!!
This is why most marinas require insurance.
LOL I must not be sexist I promise - but reminds me of my wife on our little boat - honestly - - - exactly the same - - - but I love her so much - so it doesn't matter - great video john -thank you!
I read all the comments seems I was the only one who noticed the video was "sped" up and you could see the movement of the people on the boat sped up as unatural. Dang couldnt none of yal tell by the sound that it was fake as hell?
You guy's are going to wind up on a deserted island somewhere, when it was only supposed to be a 3 hr tour.
A three hour tour...
He should trade that in for a bumper boat.
Or bumper car !
Some people just shouldnt be allowed to operate a vessel.
I used to sail out of Dock C on a friend's boat. Thank God these munchkins weren't around .
the number of fenders deployed is telling
God teck nombre coll me
That was hard to watch!
Lets hope he sells the boat and takes up reading.
Did they forgot to switch off the autopilot? It seams like.... beginners. ;-)
Someone lied about how much experience they had. They're probably looking for the brake pedal...
next time buy a slip on the end.
Slips generally cant be bought at a marina.
San Francisco and a woman... Can't tell her "no, you must not be a boat captain!" It could hurt her feeling!
Yeah we must always be politically correct. Snow flakes might have their feelings hurt!
Everybody has that sometime in their lives. What they should have done was teach her proper technique before putting her in charge of the boat.
Was there a mechanical issue?
My step father bought a power boat first. He ripped the cleats off the dock once he even ripped off the outboard. Then he decided to buy a power boat, got it stuck on a muddy bank at low tide ran the whole boat up on the bank, 3k in repairs to the engine and bottom it too the repair guy a week to flush the mud out it the engine. Then when things were running again he had a dock built at our house on the river, he ripped the dock out when he and his drunk buddies decided to go fishing early one morning ( mom wouldn’t let me go) dad said yeah he will be the only one sober in the boat to drive or dock the boat. I stopped at the Marina to buy me some sodas I took the keys with me one of the guys untied the boat so they could drift fish while I was in buy my sodas. It took the coast guard two days to find the boat with them passed out drunk in the boat. Out sea! After that mom shot holes in both boats.
I dare say, he shouldn't be driving either. DMV should see this video!
"Uh which way is backwards?!"-Rodney Dangerfield
How did he get into that slip stern first to begin with?
You got to go faster. If there's no current over the rudder the boat won't turn.
Should report that owner to the harbormaster - maybe you can have him expelled so that he doesn't put anyone elses's boat at risk - or worse!
...first time on a tiller? I'm so glad I've learned to sail without an engine at all. Yes, I've had my share of screw ups, but when the wind is blowing you, you at least have an excuse.
Oh dear.First time my Dad took the helm of the hire boat,he got us stuck on a sandbank in the river.He was so used to driving cars,I suppose.I was 13 ,never driven anything,but someone had to get us moving and after ten minutes,my Mum insisted on me steering from then on.We had a 36 foot boat for 2 weeks and i docked in many places smaller than this.Never hit anything and seemed to impress a lot of old salts,which was very pleasing to my teenage female ego.These eejits need ten minutes to learn their left from right.