So the coin is a fake. However with the gold content being higher , and excluding numismatic or collector value, is it still worth it's weight in gold ?
When I was a teenager in the sixties, my dad was a helicopter pilot in Qatar. The locals had no trust in the Gulf Rupee currency and kept their savings in gold. The sovereign was a well known coin, but difficult to get enough of the real thing to satisfy the huge demand. (They also liked ten-tolas bars) A chap in Switzerland started making counterfeit sovereigns but with the correct or even higher gold content. He sold these in bulk to dealers in the Gulf and as a result they were everywhere. He probably made a premium of pennies over the gold price, which in those days was $35/ozt. .People only cared about the gold content. Over the years I bought back and shipped back to UK thousands of these coins which I sold mostly to to pawnbrokers who made them into rings and necklaces. From memory, I paid a little over £3 each in Doha...and sold for about £3.7s 6d. Eventually a shipment of 200 coins got stopped by HM Customs who had them analysed. I acted dumb and said I thought they were the real thing. They kept the coins but gave them to Mocatta & Goldsmid to melt down for scrap. I ended up losing only a few pounds as the gold scrap content was so high. They told me not to do it again, lol.
Good story. Back in the 70's i bought gold coins from an old man who married a european woman. Her family fled their country when the nazi's took over. Before they left they buried their gold in the ground. Years later they finally returned and dug up the gold. It was a nice story but didn't bring any higher price when i sold them.
So, you're the culprit! Any idea about the exact date or year your coins got intercepted? You ended up with a good result there, as they could just have been confiscated, and you may also have been fined or worse. A century earlier, and you might have been hung. BTW, did you ever do it again?
Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up.
There were genuine 1918 sovereigns produced - almost 14 million, the key information is that no London Mint sovereigns were produced. London Mint sovereigns don't feature a mintmark, while the genuine Sovereign in the video has a Sydney mintmark.
Dave hello, I know nothing about sovereigns, the video just popped up on my feed, so I watched it, I do know about the mint marks now though after looking them up, I only collect 50p
Mr Chards Sovereign was struck at the Sydney mint Australia. I have an 1918 in uncirculated condition struck at Melbourne mint. If you look at Mr Chards piece, just above the 9 and the1 of 18, on the ground of ST George with a loop you will see a small S telling you its Sydney mint. M for Melbourne mint. London mint having nothing. However no Sovereigns were struck in 1918 at the London mint.
Hi Lawrence really interesting, I regularly buy my gold from your company as you are so trusted and just purchased a George V full sovereign from you today.. Wary of E Bay, can you advise in the event of being duped into buying a gold plated sovereign would the weight/diameter/thickness/app ping test catch it out or only by using an XRF machine please? Thanks....
Really interesting. I have two questions about the size of the real sovereign (with Queen Elizabeth). 22.05 mm is the diameter, but what is the constructive tolerance? +/-0.01 mm? (for example). I can't find any norm or something like that. Same question for the thickness (1.52 mm)...plus, WHERE should I measure the thickness? Thank you very much.
I've only just noticed there is s definitely a s for Sydney on the fake...just as I was coming to the end of the video, it's definitely there. But you state there is no mint mark on the fake?
Hello Lawrence, after seeing your video, I was quite concern with one of my sovereigns. It’s date 1918 C, but the color is more yellow than my other sovereigns. Should I be concerned? It was purchased from a reputable dealer from United States.
There are a few reasons a sovereign might be more yellow. The silver content does vary slightly between different years and mints, which affects colour. This page has some information: www.chards.co.uk/blog/analysis-of-alloy-content-of-gold-sovereigns/180 Sometimes coins get gilded. You could try to get a second opinion. Are there any reputable dealers in the United States? (I am joking, well half-joking).
@@lawrencechard5914 , thank you for the reply. I would hate to have any fake sovereigns in my collection. There are are so many out there. About the reputable dealers, I trust only three in United States. There are too many sleazy ones operating. The biggest joke would be the fake dealers selling fake coins on FB or other social media for less than spot. These are mostly from China with an intermediary operating in the US. Thanks again for your expertise and the videos. Peter
I have one from 1925 that is the reddish-gold colour and very fine details as per the “real’ one in your video. It is mounted within an “India” gold necklace with gold chain of the same colour. It has one additional small rectangular indentation just to the left of George’s neck (in the space below the chin). I’ve always been curious about its value.
I have a 1918 gold sovereign that was in with my grandfathers masala and discharge papers from the war. It is sharp and the right colour but doesn’t have a mint mark. Is it likely to be a fake, just out of curiosity as I wouldn’t part with it.
Can you explain to me please, after saying that the mint never made sovererigns in 1918, you compare the fake with an original that also has a fake year of 1918. Did I misunderstand something? also, if the gold content is more, it would be softer to my understanding, so marks where the coin has been in a pendant holder or scratched on the surface would be understandable. Also, if the gold content is more, surely it would be worth more than an original coin in the working system. I'm not questioning your professionalism, I am just trying to understand please?
Please send Hi-resolution images to info@chards.co.uk and we will do our best to identify if this is a genuine sovereign, you could also utilise our 'distance buy in' service if you are wanting to sell it.
Good video. Worth noting though. the BP after the date changed. 1967 version like mine it is much smaller than when in 1918. You can check and verify yourself on the official royalmint images
I recently came across one of these gold sovereign coins but it was from 1925, I cant tell if its real or fake. I also dont know what mint mark I'm supposed to be looking for.
I have 1 from 1907 made of silver and doesn't have the dots border, Also it has a G. O. below the head's neck. I can't find any in the internet that is identical.
I got 1911 george v today at the pawnbroker, it's very shiny a little over polished but all the details and weight are good very fine quality accept the B.P. barely readable so a little worried . Any advice?
Yes, be very careful buying coins from a pawnbroker. Most of them know next to nothing (or less) about coins. Many of their gold coins are salvaged from scrap jewellery. Try to get a second opinion on the coin. Also try asking the seller whether he guarantees it is genuine, and how he knows.
Hello John, Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up.
I have a 1918 sovereign I think it looks worse than this one and I don't know how I missed it. it has r21 on it, which I presume is replica 21kt gutted.
Hi Ali, there isn't a single thing to look for. It's the volume of evidence, rather than a single point. We'll be producing more videos that will cover more points, and you can watch our previous videos to learn more. If we come across a fake Edward VII sovereign we will make a video about it.
As yet I cannot say I have come across a fake Edward V11 Sovereign. Most are either Victorian jubilee head, some old head, most being George V all mints. And some first Head Elizabeth 11 Sovereigns. So you should be fairly safe if you have an Edward V11. But if in doubt, you can always ask a museum or good coin dealer who deals in these pieces.
A genuine sovereign is minted in 22-carat gold, regardless of the year. 9 carat is commonly used for jewellery such as rings or even mounts for sovereign rings. If the coin itself is 9 carat then it is most likely an imitation. That being said, there are examples of fakes being minted in 22-carat as well.
The comparison is a Sydney mint. No sovereigns were minted in London in 1918. However there are many mints O Ottawa S Sydney M Melbourne I India SA South Africa LL Llantrisant Wales C Canada
Hello, Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up
I bid on and won a coin collection from an estate this year. Included were 3 fake gold coins. I was not allowed to take them out of holders or have them looked at by a 3rd party. Still made money on the collection because the price of silver and gold went up this year. It was a bummer finding out 3 were fakes. Still trying to find out what how to sell all the foreign coins in estate!
I have an old friend that's 76 years old and he's wanting to sell me like 18 I guess RGS gold medallions that have a lot of weight to them that were all engraved an given to him for his work as a chemist in the 1860's named T.B. Percy...he has a hand book with his notes in it and a personal letter written by from the Queen...but I've done research for the passed week and can't find anything on this guy or what these might be worth???🤔
But is it not better, to have the real thing and not a forgery. The fake is only worth scrap value depending on gold content, and the genuine sovereign worth a lot more.
@@Vlad-wl3fw Depends, some are higher, some are lower. That is why, once you know the sovereign is fake, next check is what is the carrot. Some have been made of 9ct, and a little silver added to match the color. Most of the Italian and North African fakes made in the 1970s were 22ct. considering sovereigns then, were only 5 to six pounds to buy, if you had of been caught then, and you had kept it, you would of made a tidy profit on melt down value, and done a service getting rid of the fakes.
Not really, because fakes sell at a lose. A genuine 22ct got would sell at full premium rate, but a fake 22ct would only be 22ct scrap value. Even a severe damaged genuine sovereign would be worth a little more, only because its a genuine coin of the realm, but the fake only scrap value of the gold.
@@philippayne4951 I just did specific gravity test on my gold sovereign 1909-M and it came to be 17.73 witch matches with the 22k silver+copper alloy. However it does quite matches with the frequency on the Pingcoin free app for android.
So the coin is a fake. However with the gold content being higher , and excluding numismatic or collector value, is it still worth it's weight in gold ?
Nothing said about it's weight and measurements. Were they the same?
Weight was mentioned at the end of the video - the fake was too heavy.
When I was a teenager in the sixties, my dad was a helicopter pilot in Qatar. The locals had no trust in the Gulf Rupee currency and kept their savings in gold. The sovereign was a well known coin, but difficult to get enough of the real thing to satisfy the huge demand. (They also liked ten-tolas bars) A chap in Switzerland started making counterfeit sovereigns but with the correct or even higher gold content. He sold these in bulk to dealers in the Gulf and as a result they were everywhere. He probably made a premium of pennies over the gold price, which in those days was $35/ozt. .People only cared about the gold content. Over the years I bought back and shipped back to UK thousands of these coins which I sold mostly to to pawnbrokers who made them into rings and necklaces. From memory, I paid a little over £3 each in Doha...and sold for about £3.7s 6d. Eventually a shipment of 200 coins got stopped by HM Customs who had them analysed. I acted dumb and said I thought they were the real thing. They kept the coins but gave them to Mocatta & Goldsmid to melt down for scrap. I ended up losing only a few pounds as the gold scrap content was so high. They told me not to do it again, lol.
Good story. Back in the 70's i bought gold coins from an old man who married a european woman. Her family fled their country when the nazi's took over. Before they left they buried their gold in the ground. Years later they finally returned and dug up the gold. It was a nice story but didn't bring any higher price when i sold them.
So, you're the culprit!
Any idea about the exact date or year your coins got intercepted?
You ended up with a good result there, as they could just have been confiscated, and you may also have been fined or worse. A century earlier, and you might have been hung.
BTW, did you ever do it again?
Thank you for the video.
It is mentioned there were no sovereigns minted in 1918, yet part way into the video the genuine sovereign is dated 1918?
Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up.
I come back here all the time
If so, ist more worth than the genuine one?
antique value of 300 gms gold bar minted in the year 1900 of atkinson company Can you please tell me
Great informative video! 👍
If no 1918 were minted, how do you have a genuine one ?
There were genuine 1918 sovereigns produced - almost 14 million, the key information is that no London Mint sovereigns were produced. London Mint sovereigns don't feature a mintmark, while the genuine Sovereign in the video has a Sydney mintmark.
Not paying attention in class is what gets you burnt eventually, there was clearly an S mint mark
Dave hello, I know nothing about sovereigns, the video just popped up on my feed, so I watched it, I do know about the mint marks now though after looking them up, I only collect 50p
Mr Chards Sovereign was struck at the Sydney mint Australia. I have an 1918 in uncirculated condition struck at Melbourne mint. If you look at Mr Chards piece, just above the 9 and the1 of 18, on the ground of ST George with a loop you will see a small S telling you its Sydney mint. M for Melbourne mint. London mint having nothing. However no Sovereigns were struck in 1918 at the London mint.
Thanks for all your information, I will be very cautious of future EBay purchases
No worries!
Hi Lawrence really interesting, I regularly buy my gold from your company as you are so trusted and just purchased a George V full sovereign from you today.. Wary of E Bay, can you advise in the event of being duped into buying a gold plated sovereign would the weight/diameter/thickness/app ping test catch it out or only by using an XRF machine please? Thanks....
Really interesting. I have two questions about the size of the real sovereign (with Queen Elizabeth). 22.05 mm is the diameter, but what is the constructive tolerance? +/-0.01 mm? (for example). I can't find any norm or something like that.
Same question for the thickness (1.52 mm)...plus, WHERE should I measure the thickness? Thank you very much.
Thought you said that they were not made in 18 ???
From Sydney mint
I've only just noticed there is s definitely a s for Sydney on the fake...just as I was coming to the end of the video, it's definitely there. But you state there is no mint mark on the fake?
Hello Lawrence, after seeing your video, I was quite concern with one of my sovereigns. It’s date 1918 C, but the color is more yellow than my other sovereigns. Should I be concerned? It was purchased from a reputable dealer from United States.
There are a few reasons a sovereign might be more yellow. The silver content does vary slightly between different years and mints, which affects colour.
This page has some information: www.chards.co.uk/blog/analysis-of-alloy-content-of-gold-sovereigns/180
Sometimes coins get gilded. You could try to get a second opinion.
Are there any reputable dealers in the United States? (I am joking, well half-joking).
@@lawrencechard5914 , thank you for the reply. I would hate to have any fake sovereigns in my collection. There are are so many out there. About the reputable dealers, I trust only three in United States. There are too many sleazy ones operating. The biggest joke would be the fake dealers selling fake coins on FB or other social media for less than spot. These are mostly from China with an intermediary operating in the US. Thanks again for your expertise and the videos. Peter
I have one from 1925 that is the reddish-gold colour and very fine details as per the “real’ one in your video. It is mounted within an “India” gold necklace with gold chain of the same colour. It has one additional small rectangular indentation just to the left of George’s neck (in the space below the chin). I’ve always been curious about its value.
i have one coin from 1925 but it's not gold it's silver. can i sold it.
I have a 1918 gold sovereign that was in with my grandfathers masala and discharge papers from the war. It is sharp and the right colour but doesn’t have a mint mark. Is it likely to be a fake, just out of curiosity as I wouldn’t part with it.
Almost certainly a fake, like ours.
I'm curious anout your use of the word "masala", I guess you are using it is the Indian word meaning mixture.
Are these fake with the same amount of gold in them? Or are they not gold as well?
Can you explain to me please, after saying that the mint never made sovererigns in 1918, you compare the fake with an original that also has a fake year of 1918. Did I misunderstand something? also, if the gold content is more, it would be softer to my understanding, so marks where the coin has been in a pendant holder or scratched on the surface would be understandable. Also, if the gold content is more, surely it would be worth more than an original coin in the working system. I'm not questioning your professionalism, I am just trying to understand please?
What is the weight of that coin
I found a lot of sovereign gold.it is valuable worth?
Hi ,I have this gold coin date1918 but, can I send the picture of this coin to see it? and you evaluate its price because iwant to sell it.
Please send Hi-resolution images to info@chards.co.uk and we will do our best to identify if this is a genuine sovereign, you could also utilise our 'distance buy in' service if you are wanting to sell it.
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How much price
Good video. Worth noting though. the BP after the date changed. 1967 version like mine it is much smaller than when in 1918. You can check and verify yourself on the official royalmint images
I recently came across one of these gold sovereign coins but it was from 1925, I cant tell if its real or fake. I also dont know what mint mark I'm supposed to be looking for.
You might be able to find some more info here www.chards.co.uk/blog/the-gold-sovereign-coin/15
Is there copper from it?
I have 1 from 1907 made of silver and doesn't have the dots border, Also it has a G. O. below the head's neck. I can't find any in the internet that is identical.
I got 1911 george v today at the pawnbroker, it's very shiny a little over polished but all the details and weight are good very fine quality accept the B.P. barely readable so a little worried . Any advice?
Yes, be very careful buying coins from a pawnbroker. Most of them know next to nothing (or less) about coins. Many of their gold coins are salvaged from scrap jewellery. Try to get a second opinion on the coin. Also try asking the seller whether he guarantees it is genuine, and how he knows.
I don't understand how the 2nd coin can be genuine, it's 1918?
No 1918 coins were minted in London, but they were in India / Australia. Marks 'I', 'P', 'M' or 'S' indicate which mint produced the sovereigns.
@@paulaskew9299 thank you for clearing that up for me
You mentioned no 1918 coins where made after 1917 so explain how you just showed one sir
Hello John, Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up.
I have a 1918 sovereign I think it looks worse than this one and I don't know how I missed it. it has r21 on it, which I presume is replica 21kt gutted.
Whats the value
How was the gold content higher than it should be?
@frankos rooniBullion Now just came out with a good video on this. They were calling these jewelers copies of the sovereigns
Sir want complete information about Edward VII sovereign coins. how to check is it fake or real. All the information especially London mint.
Hi Ali, there isn't a single thing to look for. It's the volume of evidence, rather than a single point. We'll be producing more videos that will cover more points, and you can watch our previous videos to learn more. If we come across a fake Edward VII sovereign we will make a video about it.
@@Chard1964Ltd thank you sir
As yet I cannot say I have come across a fake Edward V11 Sovereign. Most are either Victorian jubilee head, some old head, most being George V all mints. And some first Head Elizabeth 11 Sovereigns. So you should be fairly safe if you have an Edward V11. But if in doubt, you can always ask a museum or good coin dealer who deals in these pieces.
If you can show a picture of your Edward V11 Sovereign, I may be able to let you know, if its fake. Please show both sides of the coin.
I have on
Can you get 9carat 1912 gold sovereign coin or is it fake
A genuine sovereign is minted in 22-carat gold, regardless of the year. 9 carat is commonly used for jewellery such as rings or even mounts for sovereign rings. If the coin itself is 9 carat then it is most likely an imitation. That being said, there are examples of fakes being minted in 22-carat as well.
I have victoria d.g.britt reg.fd 1911 coine price Plese
Hi. Please email any information to info@chards.co.uk and our customer service team will look into it for you.
Thanks sir.
Very useful video.
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Why are you showing a1918 soveriegn as a comparison to fake if there was none minted
The comparison is a Sydney mint. No sovereigns were minted in London in 1918. However there are many mints
O Ottawa
S Sydney
M Melbourne
I India
SA South Africa
LL Llantrisant Wales
C Canada
And not forgetting P Perth Australia
يوجد قطعه 1918 كم ثمنها
عندى قطعه
Nice comparison to explain.
DR.S.Sarup INDIA
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed our video.
Nice collection 👍
Didn't you say there are no real sovereigns made after 1917 then the genuine coin on your video is 1918?
Hello, Stated in the video LC says that no London Mint Sovereigns were made in this year, the one shown on the video is a Sydney mint sovereign, I hope this clears it up
I have one KARAT 21 BUT DATE IS 1892 NOT VECTORIA
really interesting, would love pick up a platinum fake sovereign but they have a bigger premium than the real thing these days lol
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You r the best 1 👏
عندى جنيه جورج 1918للبيع
مرحبا انا امتلك عملة ادواردو الملك 7
Hello i am from India 1925 trust in god medal what is pris🤔🤔🤔pls tell me
Very informative
I've this coin of 1926
I have one to buy
I bid on and won a coin collection from an estate this year. Included were 3 fake gold coins. I was not allowed to take them out of holders or have them looked at by a 3rd party. Still made money on the collection because the price of silver and gold went up this year. It was a bummer finding out 3 were fakes. Still trying to find out what how to sell all the foreign coins in estate!
My coin 1917
I have an old friend that's 76 years old and he's wanting to sell me like 18 I guess RGS gold medallions that have a lot of weight to them that were all engraved an given to him for his work as a chemist in the 1860's named T.B. Percy...he has a hand book with his notes in it and a personal letter written by from the Queen...but I've done research for the passed week and can't find anything on this guy or what these might be worth???🤔
I don't care if its a fake as long as the gold content is there
But is it not better, to have the real thing and not a forgery. The fake is only worth scrap value depending on gold content, and the genuine sovereign worth a lot more.
@@philippayne4951 are these 22crt too? I heard Italian ones are 22k and Arabic fakes are 18k
@@Vlad-wl3fw Depends, some are higher, some are lower. That is why, once you know the sovereign is fake, next check is what is the carrot. Some have been made of 9ct, and a little silver added to match the color. Most of the Italian and North African fakes made in the 1970s were 22ct. considering sovereigns then, were only 5 to six pounds to buy, if you had of been caught then, and you had kept it, you would of made a tidy profit on melt down value, and done a service getting rid of the fakes.
Not really, because fakes sell at a lose. A genuine 22ct got would sell at full premium rate, but a fake 22ct would only be 22ct scrap value. Even a severe damaged genuine sovereign would be worth a little more, only because its a genuine coin of the realm, but the fake only scrap value of the gold.
@@philippayne4951 I just did specific gravity test on my gold sovereign 1909-M and it came to be 17.73 witch matches with the 22k silver+copper alloy. However it does quite matches with the frequency on the Pingcoin free app for android.
I have castle and st.george old coins
Ho to spot a fake 1911 coin soverirgn
I have this one
So the fake was worth more ? lol
1925 models
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do the old 50 pesos Mexican Libertad
We can only create videos on coins we've acquired. If we come across one we'll make a video!
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I have 2 gram 1826 gold coin
If it is 2g possibly a quarter sovereign.
Halfs are 4g (3.99)
Fulls are 8g (7.98 )
1910
hello مستر انا معايا يا مستر الو يا مستر انا معايا جنيه ذهب عيار 21 8 جرام 1918
Sovereign King I have 1 coin old 1909 I'm selling Content me
I have one from 1926 and it's real one...!
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Moneda Británica de plata año 1916 GeorGivs DEI GRA
Do they melt in a stove?
More usually a kiln, which is basically a kind of oven.
Or a crucible, which might be heated by gas flame, or induction.
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