Euronaval 2022 - Day 1: PANG aircraft carrier, Adaptable Stike Frigate, XLUUV, EPC...
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- Day 1 at Euronaval 2022, the largest naval defense exhibition held in Paris, France. In this video we focus on new naval platforms.
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01:09 - Interview with Admiral Vandier, Chief of Staff of the French Navy
02:48 - PANG next generation aircraft carrier
05:25 - OCEA OSV 315 seabed warfare vessel
06:59 - BAE Systems Adaptable Strike Frigate
10:00 - BAE Systems XLUUV
10:36 - EPC European Patrol Corvette
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Modular systems seem to be the newest trend in naval warfare, designed to make warships more versatile. Also seeing a lot of new frigate designs with well decks for launching small boats and AUVs and UUVs.
Like tge failed Freedom and Independence class warships . 😁
@@julwiezdeghorz5089 What failed in those ship classes aren't the modules but the engines.
I think versatility is key in this era of warfare, because technology moves rapidly and the future is unknown...so stuff needs to be adaptable.
Lets hope the Euros can pull off the "modular, containerized" approach better than the LCS program did
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen-class_frigate
Germany failed just as bad.
@@zeitgeistx5239 German naval standards are off.
Too much crew comfort not enough firepower.
If there is only one good thing to say about the LCS program it's that it exposed the challenges of a modular, containerized approach so that everyone else learn from it
Welcome back Xavier !! :)
Interesting stuff. Particularly the bow forms of some of those designs.
EXCELLENT PRODUCT!!
un buen video informativo
Adaptable "strike" frigate. At first I thought it would involve a ridiculous amount of VL cells for tomahawk or mdcn or any long range shipborne "strike" missiles as a rapid install feature in a GP frigate
Those containers are for Kalibr missiles!
That wouldnt be inpossible.
I believe one company does market a deckmounted VLS system.
I wouldnt be surprised if it became container mounted.
Adaptable strike frigate...Nice
that carrier can definitely carry more than 30 aircraft , probably more like 50-60 and surge at 72, the QE class can max out at 58-60 but usually carry 40, and this French carrier is a good chunk larger
look at those models, those wonderful models...
Well done Xavier n Naval News on coverage of Euronaval 2022👍 interesting warships with different missions outcomes, PANG will be successful with US common technology who knows might be flying future US fighters?
lol not at all , french naval don't need US fighters , but thx for the joke XDD😂
@@pompelop67 je pense qu’il parlait plus d’opérations conjointes. La configuration permet cette possibilité
@@victor6814 ah mea culpa
Man they love their modular container approach, did they not learn anything from the LCS program?!
I see France is making the same mistake as with the CdG, ie only building one carrier. As capable as CdG is, France is hindered by only having her for around half the year due to maintenance etc. This is why the UK built two. I don't get why they're not going with the CATOBAR variant of the QE Class as originally planned. They could build at least 2 for the same price as PA-Ng.
And to make matters worse we all know that the PA-NG won't be the final design. Budget cuts are likely to cut her down and she'll also likely arrive much later than 2038.
That's not an error. That's already budget cut result. Initial replacement plan was for 2 carrier. So the idea is to maintain the technologic dev (so, sign to build at least one carrier) in order to be able to build more when we will have a real patriotic gov.
QE is useless...😂
The catobar version was a french design with cost 200 million €.But the French left it.
I want that model of the PaNG
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That's a big carrier to build 2 of to ensure ones always available.......
does the aircraft have bomber?
Xavier avec son anglais à l'accent inénarrable
Last 5 seconds STRENGHT instead of STRENGTH . Hope they have the essential bits in the right order....
Futur Warships should have many powerful Laser type to counter saturing loitering ammunitions and missiles attack from drones.
Who builds those scaled models for those events?
I assume the company has a section dedicated to it
I want to buy them, where can i find them
FCAS is also being developed by Spain. just a reminder...
Hi Javier, you are right. My apologies; I'll make sure to mention Spain next time. Xavier
SCAF will never be made as Airbus defense (German part) want to be project leader in order to obtain Dassault tech. Not acceptable sorry.
We will all loose the money we already put in it. Hope Spain will be in our next fighter project, that will respect Dassault technology sovereignty.
Interesting that Type 32 seems to offer more firepower than Type 31
This design doesn't make sense to me. They said the RN was looking at a drone carrier frigate. Operating 3 frigate types in a group should mean 3 specialized ships, but I'm guessing Type 31 & 32 was always meant to be general purpose and modular for export. I suppose everything is going modular these days.
T32 is suspected to be a mine warfare vessel as well as general purpose
Type 32 is (predictably) effectively cancelled. No point even discussing it unfortunately.
@Theboxingobserver They haven't cancelled it. Currently its shoe boxed for later down the road. Now who knows what decision will be made then, but if you apply the metric that its cancelled then they've already decided to kill the amphibious fleet, which isn't true either, its just got to be budgeted later.
How can you compare the two? The Albion class will almost certainly be replaced, along with the 5 landing RFA ships, around 2035. The type 32 never even got off the ground. It was based on Boris Johnson making a vague remark: 'we will become the premier European Navy with x5 type 32's, growing our fleet to 10 and possible more'. The re are literally are no visuals, no legitimate designs, proposals etc. It was was based on that ^ one statement. If I am wrong, show me officially proof we are actively exploring the idea of A. building the type 32 and B. growing the fleet. Both fallacies. @@admiralmallard7500
I am kind of surprised the ship can only accommodate about 30 aircraft, that does not seem like a particularly powerful airwing to protect such a high value target.
It will have more than 30 aircraft. It will have 30 manned fighters, but it will also carry other types of aircraft: H160 and NH90 helicopters, Hawkeye E2D, as well as a variety of drones.
FYI the NGF 6th gen fighter will "quarterback" several loyal wingman drones.
It’s about 2/3 the tonnage of a Ford class, barely larger than a QE Class. It’s a trend that’s been set by the Charles De Gaulle which is only 42,500 tonnes (about the same size as an America class assault ship). It also carries 30 fighters but the Rafale is clearly smaller than FCAS (which looks more similar in size to a Super Hornet or Strike Eagle).
@@lordtemplar9274 After I listened to it the first time I was like, maybe they meant it will have 30 fighters in addition to other aircraft, so I listened to that part again and he clearly said 30 aircraft not 30 fighters, anyway, regardless of the compliment of aircraft I just hope they protect it.
@@stevenbaer9061 it will be 30 6gen aircraft with their drones, or a mix of 6gen aircrafts and Rafales, or if it would only go with Rafales, Hawkeyes and helicopters it could very well host 60-70 Rafales without problem. The thing is that the 6gen aircraft is to be way larger than the Rafale and will carry wingmen drones as well.
The CDG, with its small size, can already carry up to 40-45 Rafales with Hawkeyes and helicopters so for a ship as large as the PANG..
In modern warships it is called DCNS evolved
New French aircraft carrier looks similar to the USS Gerald Ford. Even the way the tower control is set further back. 310 meters? That’s nearly as long as the The Ford. What’s strange to me is if the French carrier is nearly as long. Why is it 25,000 tons lighter?
The square cube law mostly. It also carries 600 less crew, so it probably has less capability in various areas. That translates to less weight.
@@anticarrrot carrying less crew doesn’t mean less capability. French ships tend to be much more automated than US ones.
French steel is lighter
@@Kurio71 Man no one copes harder then the French. Well maybe except for the Russians.
"Building a European naval strenght"
Someone was probably fired for that.
Why?
@@Christopher_Rock wrong spelling
@@maesterrific lol
Une version française... peut-être un jour !!!!!
Oui. Nous avons interviewé en français le responsable programme DGA, l'officier programme Marine Nationale et le responsable pang chez Naval Group ... diffusion prévue la semaine prochaine 👍
I'm surprised that a 75k ton 300+ meter CATOBAR aircraft carrier can only accommodate 30 aircraft... Is this doctrine vs capacity?
Not just 30 fighters, but other aircraft will also be onboard: SAR and transport helicopters, 3 Hawkeye E2D and loyal wingman drones
If you compare QE-class vs Ford-class the size/volume is very similar but weight disparity is due to significant difference in number of decks. Ford-class seems to only look bigger from top due to longer & wider flight deck.
It depends on other factors like hanger size, islands, automation and number of decks assigned to crew living space over aircraft space.
The sixth generation fighter onboard is massive compared to the Rafale.
@@crem1t035 plus it is designed to fly with remote carriers
French carriers and their doctrine are a bit weird.
CdG sails with a maximum of 30 Rafale and 5 other aircraft. They've managed that once, in 2019 for an exercise. But usually the airwing is a lot smaller.
They also only have 3 E-2C in total, but only usually sail with 2, which means they can't put up a 24-7 AEW presence. The USN in comparison has 5 E-2D in each airwing...
And they're desperately short of helicopters. Recently CdG has had 2 helos onboard, 1 purely for short ranged SAR, and 1 other for ASW. In comparison the Royal Navy regards 8 large ASW helicopters as an absolute minimum to provide an ASW screen in conjunction with at least 2 top end ASW escorts...
Which leads me to think that CdG would always need to be integrated into another CSG to be effective in a peer on peer war as the Marine Nationale simply does not have the necessary assets to protect her either in AEW, ASW or escorts.
There needs to be 2 or more!!! Why it is so f***ing hard to understand!!!
Politicians ignoring top level military brass. French generals were up in arms a few years ago due to the guts being stripped out of the military.
PANG aircraft carrier?
Yes
Porte-Avion Nouvelle Génération (Next Generation Aircraft Carrier)
@@mathiask.5474 Many Thanks!
in the near future the Marine Nationalé could do with a fleet of three brand new Pang class 84,853 ton (90,695 ton loaded) stealth (CATOBAR) aircraft carrier powered by cutting edge SMARTFuelCell® HYBRId™ M-FEP system . . . a non-nuclear powered propulsion will significantly reduce Pang's acquisition costs, by as much as €2.6 Bn - €4.2 Bn . . . the saved can be used to procure additional CATOBAR aircraft carriers . . . hopefully it's air arm will include naval carrier borne MQ-25A maritime multi mission mid air refuelling tanker drone . . .
Why only one carrier? Why not two ?! That why you can react better to crisis when on is in dock for repair or other stuff!
The cost.
@@ThePostie501 Then why is the new one almost twice as big as the old one (weight wise)! Wouldn t it be better to build two in the range of 40000tons! ?
@@christianjunghanel6724 the new one respond to the future scaf programm. It need to be bigger
@@christianjunghanel6724 the price of the pang is 5 billion but an aircraft carrier never moves alone, so you have to build 7 or 8 additional frigates to accompany it, a nuclear submarine, an tanker not to mention the fixed costs (salary, food, ammunition, etc.)
if you make two smaller aircraft carriers, you will need double the number of accompanying ships
and all this money will be used to compensate for the 18 months of upgrading the aircraft carrier which takes place every 20 years
Even if there's two, only one would sail and the other stays at port most of the time. Unless France is at its status equivalent to Napoleonic era.
The PANG model looks pretty cool I admit, but wouldn't France be better served with 2 or possibly 3 QE type conventional carriers for a similar price ? Redundancy wise it's a no brainer.
I don't understand the rationale of having just one carrier, especially such an expensive one.
france would either have to develop a stovl aircraft or buy F-35B's
@@richardthomson4693 La France a atteint un tel niveau technologique qu'elle n'achètera plus d'avions d'où qu'ils viennent .
@@richardthomson4693 The QE class was originally designed with CATOBAR. No doubt the plans are still available.
im pretty sure they want 2...
The plans, even for the actual one, was to have both of them.
It's a budget problem, as allways.
The price is not just the size. The french doctrine is a AC is allways the center of an "aeronaval group" : at least two wingmen ships, and one sub under.
So two AC means 4 ships including a nuke attack sub
France needs at least 2 PANG carriers and would do well to co-develop it with another nation (Brazil maybe).
Lol no need brazil
@@goatruthless616 France doesn't necessarily needs Brazil.
But Brazil has a need to replace the "Sao Paulo" (ex french Foch) they finally sent to a scrapping yard this year,the replacement is just an helicopter carrier (ex british royal navy)
Brazil isn't part of the F35 program
brazil is as nearly as china regarding technological transfer. in early days when china acquired Hmas Melbourne, they found a working steam catapult in it
2035….
name PANG sounds like it should be a chinese aircraft carrier not french
PANG is not the ship's name. That will be decided later on. PANG is the project name and it is an acronym for "next gen aircraft carrier.", just like NGAD is the US Air Force's project name for its next fighter
What a stupid comment 😂
Much, much better than the Queen Elizabeth class.
Originally, QE's earlier concept was CATOBAR, similar to PANG design. British MoD is just that "frugal" when it comes to spending.
Yeah the UK has 2 Aircraft carriers with stealth fighters .
France 1 carrier when they eventually get one on the water 10 years from now with 4gen fighters. .Mm think I'd go with the RN.
Queen Elizabeth class will be over 25 years old when this gets into service.
q brisa
good to hear now actully send them to ukraine
Wtf! Is everyone copying the US designs? That's a bootleg Gerald R Ford, dmn France getting like China I C, lol
The USA has always been a pioneer in most new tech. It's very likely other countries will follow their suit. Also, I believe that kind design is most optimal. Most carriers since the beginning have very similar designs.
@Rakeshi OK so are you saying that other nations lack innovation and that the US is the only nation that can design advance technology for their military? The PANG resembles the Gerald R Ford Class,because if you look at the original PANG design it resembled the first Nuclear Enterprise. What Europe need to do is combine their militaries so that they can procure quality and quantity in terms of their equipment especially the Aircraft Carrier they would need at least 4 and if smart, buy some ex USN Nimitz Class because they are still viable platforms
Ok. The Nimitz Class the later ones are still good for years to come and they are big enough for renovation, basically making it fit your operational needs, it's funny how countries purchase second hand equipment and modernize it to a better standard than the original design, Israel does a great job at that, innovation and its application is determined by the amount of money that's available to invest in it (Any platform can be renovated and refurbished/repurposed) Countries that do not have the defense budgets must either settle for second hand systems or invest in lest capable platforms this occurs daily within Defense budgets so ur point is not as strong as you make it seem. Also the French PANG is a great idea,but having only 1 makes no sense the British understood that with the QE Class , France need at least 2, 3 at the max having one will relegate the PANG to the De Gaulle status over used rising operational costs then the realization that they needed more than 1 from the jump. Invest in one over expensive platform or use that money economically and buy several less capable platforms that meets specific operational needs like several De Gaulle type vessels. So the Nimitz idea is not shitty but rather represents the current Defense budget procurement process of militaries what to invest in and what to sacrifice for price capability and longevity. Remember the US have the budget to support spending 13 billion a piece for 10-12 Super Carriers, can any other nation do that?
@@kms_scharnhorst I can agree to that,but that still doesn’t change the point, the point is if France do not make more than one PANG for the French Navy then they will back at square 1 again. True Ukraine the South China Sea Iran and other areas of interests will be detriment to many defense budgets and that renewed budget will reflect their “needs” which ties back into my response of budgets balancing capabilities and price
That's true. They need to invest in at least two of that class and keep the De Gaulle as a reserve unit that supports their Amphibious forces