"That's what I love, seeing them lose everything." Kelly Anne was playing poker with Chevalier, Camille's family, Clementine and the authorities. Chevalier lost his claim to innocence, Camille's family was devastated by seeing the truth of their daughter's murder, the authorities looked inept by being gift wrapped hard evidence by a stranger, Clementine lost her belief in Chevalier's innocence. Even Kelly Anne lost her modeling career which was her real life version of going full tilt at the poker table when she cosplayed as Camille in the courtroom. Ultimately Kelly Anne won her jackpot by accomplishing her goal of everyone involved in her game losing everything, actually winning the Camille video and the added bonus of taking the selfie in Camille's bedroom. The game started with seeking out and buying access to real Red Rooms then turned into obsession once Chevalier was exposed and arrested. Kelly Anne felt personally attached to the case since she was there in essence from the beginning. A great film whose heart of darkness centered around a truly morally ambiguous central character in the beautiful, enigmatic Kelly Anne.
@@jjsmama401 my theory is it was her way of starting a new portfolio, a personal and private one, since she lost her modeling one due to her actions. The selfie satisfied Kelly Anne in a deeply personal way that could be hard for her to articulate to herself let alone anyone else.
@@jjsmama401 I think it was kind of a trophy for her, but a private one at that. Clementine was equally obsessed with the killer/ case (but in a different way) and seeks attention from everyone who would listen and ends up in the spotlight of the media, even after changing her mind about the killer's innocence. She seeks external validation, having a otherwise probably quite lonely, sad and eventless life. Kelly-Anne though does not need the attention and external validation, maybe because she is already considered attractive (she is a model by profession), so she just has to prove to herself that she is smarter than everyone else. Dominating at online Poker games also seems to validate her, without the need to show her face as one would at a real-life Poker game. She might just want to prove to herself that she does not just have the looks but the brains as well. So the selfe would be her trophy for having outsmarted the killer (and the police and justice system as well). Maybe she also wanted to use it to torture the killer, to rub it in his face who outsmarted him, dressing as one of his victims to kind of act out their revenge from beyond the grave. But I kind of doubt that, since she is too careful with not being identified (even destroying her AI for that reason), so she probably would not send the selfie to the killer after all.
I really enjoyed the film and what it didn’t show, left such horrible images in my mind I found it more disturbing than any outright torture porn movie to date. I’m going to be haunted by this for a while. I can understand your gripe with the open end but I like the ambiguity because on one hand, it seemed perhaps she did all of these outrageous things to help catch the real killer…or did she? Who she is and her motives not being 100% clear, I personally prefer because it leaves me thinking more and more about each action and what maybe that meant. Perhaps it is a mixture of both.
Think it was more of just how abrupt it ended with her motives being unclear, but as you said it could be both, and overall it didn't ruin the movie over all. Glad you enjoyed the movie, fully agree on the disturbing aspect of it
Your review here is spot on, but after considering your exchanges here, I'm thinking: it's clear she sought these videos out ?because something about their violence excited her (some sort of death fantasy? Brrr) -- AND YET. In the end, she did the right thing by making sure authorities would get that third video. Whether that had been her intent from the start, or she made the decision because of her impressions of the mother & that brief friendship (err, forgot the name, too many tabs open, you know what I mean) -- that's something I'll wonder about. I'm surprised that people have been so shocked by it, which sounds like a put-down when it isn't. The review I heard compared it to Martyrs without the gore, which I still don't understand, but okay then. I am profoundly grateful for the director's discretion -- gore would have diminished the real horror here. I hope we see much more from this director -- cinematography, score, acting -- absolutely fantastic. @@TheMovieApprentice
In hindsight I do believe that maybe the reaction the fanatical friend had to the video and the time spent with her might have swayed her to do the right thing, it's definitely something I need to rewatch when I can
Spoiler alert. You mentioned that scene in the courtroom as one of the most chilling you'd seen in a while, and it was. But even creepier for me was the scene where she breaks into the mother's house and takes a picture of herself in the dead girl's room, all the while dressed like the dead girl and smiling for the camera. Whatever her ultimate motives might have been, she was an extremely disturbed (and possibly insane) character.
@@TheMovieApprentice I really think that was the point. It was unclear but to me more like in the way there were a couple of possibilities and your worldview affected which one you went with. I certainly didn't get the feeling that I had no idea at all. There were plenty of bread crumbs.
I disagree. All the clues are there to reach a conclusion but what conclusion you reach may depend on your world view. It challenges you to think a bit and I like that.
Whilst I do like that perspective, I have to ask if it was just morbid curiosity why did she literally dress up as the third victim to get the killers attention and literally throw their career away when they already knew from the second video he was guilty. She's a smart character so would have known doing this stunt in a high profile court case with all this media attention would be career suicide, so for me it's more than just morbid curiosity and leaning to obsession. That's just my thoughts on it though, I appreciate your viewpoint of it and thanks for watching
@@TheMovieApprenticeshe didn't know for a fact he was guilty yet, she bought the video after dressing up as the victim, maybe she tested him in the costume to see what his reaction would be, seeing that he actually reacted which was out of character for him so far, maybe that convinced her enough to think he's guilty, which motivated her to buy the video to be sure so she can take him down. There really isn't an argument that she loves the killer - she made arguments against him when she was talking with her friend who was obsessed with the killer. Oh ya, she already lost her career before dressing up, and the morbid interest in the case and her ability to actually effect change and the thrill of it all outweighed her casual interest modelling
A very good movie review. I really appreciate the atmosphere of the movie that let you think the worst. At a certain moment, dont want to do any spoilers, but i really thought this will turn in a very disturbing way. Job well done by the director. As a French Canadian, i am always happy to see movie from my place to get good reviews. I am hitting the Subscribe Button, let see what else you got.
The ending was a little weird but I think Kelly Anne wanted closure for the girls family that there was no video found for so she went on the dark web and found it. I was completely surprised when she went into the court room and started changing to look like one of the girls to get a response from the accused guy. Kind of a slow burn type movie but not bad overall.
I was so disappointed by this film. I had way too many questions. I was left feeling like WTF? I don’t really like anyone in the film and am not invested.
I dont understand why Kelly Ann was playing poker while bidding on the red room video ? And, as you mentioned, isn't the video available to anyone on the dark web for a small fee ? So why was she bidding for it ? I think she ended up paying about $200,000 worth of bitcoin.
She played poker because she needed money. She bet all her money to get the video. And no, the video wasn’t available. Other two videos were but not the last one.
"That's what I love, seeing them lose everything." Kelly Anne was playing poker with Chevalier, Camille's family, Clementine and the authorities. Chevalier lost his claim to innocence, Camille's family was devastated by seeing the truth of their daughter's murder, the authorities looked inept by being gift wrapped hard evidence by a stranger, Clementine lost her belief in Chevalier's innocence. Even Kelly Anne lost her modeling career which was her real life version of going full tilt at the poker table when she cosplayed as Camille in the courtroom. Ultimately Kelly Anne won her jackpot by accomplishing her goal of everyone involved in her game losing everything, actually winning the Camille video and the added bonus of taking the selfie in Camille's bedroom. The game started with seeking out and buying access to real Red Rooms then turned into obsession once Chevalier was exposed and arrested. Kelly Anne felt personally attached to the case since she was there in essence from the beginning. A great film whose heart of darkness centered around a truly morally ambiguous central character in the beautiful, enigmatic Kelly Anne.
Amazing analysis.
What was the point of taking the selfie?
@@jjsmama401 my theory is it was her way of starting a new portfolio, a personal and private one, since she lost her modeling one due to her actions. The selfie satisfied Kelly Anne in a deeply personal way that could be hard for her to articulate to herself let alone anyone else.
@@jjsmama401 I think it was kind of a trophy for her, but a private one at that.
Clementine was equally obsessed with the killer/ case (but in a different way) and seeks attention from everyone who would listen and ends up in the spotlight of the media, even after changing her mind about the killer's innocence. She seeks external validation, having a otherwise probably quite lonely, sad and eventless life.
Kelly-Anne though does not need the attention and external validation, maybe because she is already considered attractive (she is a model by profession), so she just has to prove to herself that she is smarter than everyone else. Dominating at online Poker games also seems to validate her, without the need to show her face as one would at a real-life Poker game.
She might just want to prove to herself that she does not just have the looks but the brains as well. So the selfe would be her trophy for having outsmarted the killer (and the police and justice system as well).
Maybe she also wanted to use it to torture the killer, to rub it in his face who outsmarted him, dressing as one of his victims to kind of act out their revenge from beyond the grave. But I kind of doubt that, since she is too careful with not being identified (even destroying her AI for that reason), so she probably would not send the selfie to the killer after all.
@@jackspawn77771no dude don’t ruin your good analysis with this, it shows the depth of her obsession with this case
I really enjoyed the film and what it didn’t show, left such horrible images in my mind I found it more disturbing than any outright torture porn movie to date. I’m going to be haunted by this for a while. I can understand your gripe with the open end but I like the ambiguity because on one hand, it seemed perhaps she did all of these outrageous things to help catch the real killer…or did she? Who she is and her motives not being 100% clear, I personally prefer because it leaves me thinking more and more about each action and what maybe that meant. Perhaps it is a mixture of both.
Think it was more of just how abrupt it ended with her motives being unclear, but as you said it could be both, and overall it didn't ruin the movie over all. Glad you enjoyed the movie, fully agree on the disturbing aspect of it
Your review here is spot on, but after considering your exchanges here, I'm thinking: it's clear she sought these videos out ?because something about their violence excited her (some sort of death fantasy? Brrr) -- AND YET. In the end, she did the right thing by making sure authorities would get that third video. Whether that had been her intent from the start, or she made the decision because of her impressions of the mother & that brief friendship (err, forgot the name, too many tabs open, you know what I mean) -- that's something I'll wonder about.
I'm surprised that people have been so shocked by it, which sounds like a put-down when it isn't. The review I heard compared it to Martyrs without the gore, which I still don't understand, but okay then. I am profoundly grateful for the director's discretion -- gore would have diminished the real horror here.
I hope we see much more from this director -- cinematography, score, acting -- absolutely fantastic. @@TheMovieApprentice
In hindsight I do believe that maybe the reaction the fanatical friend had to the video and the time spent with her might have swayed her to do the right thing, it's definitely something I need to rewatch when I can
Spoiler alert. You mentioned that scene in the courtroom as one of the most chilling you'd seen in a while, and it was. But even creepier for me was the scene where she breaks into the mother's house and takes a picture of herself in the dead girl's room, all the while dressed like the dead girl and smiling for the camera. Whatever her ultimate motives might have been, she was an extremely disturbed (and possibly insane) character.
@@TheMovieApprentice I really think that was the point. It was unclear but to me more like in the way there were a couple of possibilities and your worldview affected which one you went with. I certainly didn't get the feeling that I had no idea at all. There were plenty of bread crumbs.
loved this. definitely one of the year's better thrillers
Most definitely!
❤
I disagree. All the clues are there to reach a conclusion but what conclusion you reach may depend on your world view. It challenges you to think a bit and I like that.
She wasn't a groupie, everyone is saying that but it's only true for the friend. Kelly just had a morbid interest and liked to solve puzzles
Whilst I do like that perspective, I have to ask if it was just morbid curiosity why did she literally dress up as the third victim to get the killers attention and literally throw their career away when they already knew from the second video he was guilty. She's a smart character so would have known doing this stunt in a high profile court case with all this media attention would be career suicide, so for me it's more than just morbid curiosity and leaning to obsession. That's just my thoughts on it though, I appreciate your viewpoint of it and thanks for watching
@@TheMovieApprenticeshe didn't know for a fact he was guilty yet, she bought the video after dressing up as the victim, maybe she tested him in the costume to see what his reaction would be, seeing that he actually reacted which was out of character for him so far, maybe that convinced her enough to think he's guilty, which motivated her to buy the video to be sure so she can take him down. There really isn't an argument that she loves the killer - she made arguments against him when she was talking with her friend who was obsessed with the killer.
Oh ya, she already lost her career before dressing up, and the morbid interest in the case and her ability to actually effect change and the thrill of it all outweighed her casual interest modelling
@SistoActivitatemAtm honestly good arguments, we disagree but that's why I love this movie so many ways to look at it glad you enjoyed
A very good movie review. I really appreciate the atmosphere of the movie that let you think the worst. At a certain moment, dont want to do any spoilers, but i really thought this will turn in a very disturbing way. Job well done by the director. As a French Canadian, i am always happy to see movie from my place to get good reviews. I am hitting the Subscribe Button, let see what else you got.
Saw it yesterday. Whoaaa!!!!! ten out of ten
The ending was a little weird but I think Kelly Anne wanted closure for the girls family that there was no video found for so she went on the dark web and found it. I was completely surprised when she went into the court room and started changing to look like one of the girls to get a response from the accused guy. Kind of a slow burn type movie but not bad overall.
Great movie!
I was so disappointed by this film. I had way too many questions. I was left feeling like WTF? I don’t really like anyone in the film and am not invested.
I dont understand why Kelly Ann was playing poker while bidding on the red room video ? And, as you mentioned, isn't the video available to anyone on the dark web for a small fee ? So why was she bidding for it ? I think she ended up paying about $200,000 worth of bitcoin.
She played poker because she needed money. She bet all her money to get the video. And no, the video wasn’t available. Other two videos were but not the last one.
the movie was boring and it sucked
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It's not, it's a just a movie, movies do not exist.