Yeah, if that's what the showrunner thinks is best for the show, then that says something. Obviously he gets the show and knows how it should end. Makes me wonder how many people would make the connection - maybe they'd have to regress into the old style of animation too haha. Could be really interesting.
I just came from your "The Rings of Power isn't Fantasy" and "How to Make a Zelda Movie" video and I want to say how much I respect the way you analyze these works. As someone who tries to write stories myself, I'd be tempted to (as I believe many others do as well), force a narrative or conclusion with the characters really going through some lasting growth, as that is what I consider is great storytelling. But you've shown me the importance of understanding the format of each story. I feel like I'm learning so much. Thank you.
It would be tough for the Simpsons to end the same way that Friends did since the last laugh was adlibbed. When Rachel asks "Should we get some coffee?" Chandler says "Sure - where?".
The last time I watched simpsons is a good while back but it was always fun :D I remember this episode and I feel the same say! Every time I can learn something from your videos!
What about... Write a supernatural-themed Halloween episode, but make it canon, for the first, only, and last time. This idea is loose, needs notes, but bear with me - Homer is abducted by the aliens, or maybe falls in a time-portal or wtv, A Christmas Story/A-Christmas-Carol style (maybe his 'angel' is Mr. Berns?). He revisits the crucial moments throughout the history of the show, when he failed, then redeemed himself. He and the audience reflect upon the 30+ years of those moments, complimented by clips of how the animation has changed over time. In the final scene, cut to a very old Marge, 40+ year-old Bart and Lisa and Maggie spreading his ashes, (as directed in his will/voiceover) at the doughnut shop, Apu's, Moe's (per Homer's instructions, some ashes are sprinkled onto one last Flaming Moe, appropriately. Barney drinks it), etc. A final monologue, probably by Lisa, at a funeral scene with many if not all characters present. The mic is passed, and each character reflects upon what a pain in the ass he was, but simultaneously what his spirit meant to the community, and what he meant to his family. Barney sings Amazing Grace, with improvised drunken lyrics because he's utterly trashed off the Flaming Moe with Homer-Garnish. It could be as American as it gets - Deeply flawed, probably drunk, and yet full of heart. Or something like that. Loose idea. But could work. Needs feedback.
As was sung long ago, "You'll never stop the Simpsons" although I think the demarcating line is 9/11. If the end of the Cold War marked the start of *real* Simpsons, the beginning of the War on Terror marks its *real* end. The hopeful bourgeoisiey-ness that existed in the 90s and was satired perfectly by *real* Simpsons fell with the towers. Family Guy is something like mainstream inheritor of the Simpsons (though much of that flavor was divested into what used to be Adult Swim), though in the final analysis South Park-which smartly observed, "Simpsons did it!" is better than them both. This wouldn't have been true if they'd quit while they were ahead. For me, season 1-11 are enough.
It should end like _Tiny Toon Adventures_ The episode I view as canonical ending is where they help some old 1930s cartoon characters (who somewhat resembles the _Animaniacs_ characters) to find a new audience, but in doing that, the series becomes passé, gets cancelled, and the two bunnies became regular gameshow participants.
Honestly, I think the final scene we ever see of the Simpsons should be the family racing to the couch like in every intro, but they sit down and can actually enjoy TV together as a family.
The episode where the town gets trashed and they fail to find a fix, so they end up moving everything several miles down the road has that same energy as the cyclical endings.
Nah...it should end with Homer addressing the audience...Barts and Lisa are revealed as midget actors, the baby is an animatronic piloted by a VR actor and the crew disassemble the "stage" as Homer reveals the show is over while Marge unclips her Blue wig to reveal she was a blond all along.
I thought about that, and I could see it happening. You can see the logic from the studio - if it's going to be an event, then might as well make it a ticketed one, and give it a feature-length treatment. But here's the paradox, you'd STILL have to do a final TV EPISODE, so in a way there would be two "finales". I guess you could connect them - have the TV show connect narratively to the film. Or maybe with streaming, there won't really be a difference anymore. All very interesting possibilities.
@@theartofstorytelling1 the final episode of the simpsons could appropriately just be another episode - when the studio announce that it will end in a cinematic event, then they make it clear that it is the end.
With a time loop. During the final episode, the animation would discreetly change to the style of "Simpsons Roasting On Open Fire" and the voice actors would too (they'd need to do this with some editing, especially for Marge who nowadays sounds like a crow who smokes three packs of cigarettes a day).
Wait, no. Scratch that. Instead they should do an episode that advances everything with a couple of years and gives either clear routes for the characters or at least insinuate them. The problem with this is: how many of the characters besides the Simpson family should be included in this? Flanders is sort of obvious. But after that, it starts to get trickier.
I think the Simpsons should end where it began but with all the members of the family making slightly different choices which bring them together instead of dividing them, Maggie speaking for the first time ever, and Homer doing something that makes him say”D’oh,” as the final line.
Oh dang, a missed opportunity for my video - I never speculated about what the closing line of the show should be. That's actually really important. One of the classic catchphrases seems appropriate, like you say. D'oh, Ay Caramba, Eat My Shorts, etc.
@@theartofstorytelling1 Maybe you can run with that and do a “Famous Last Words” video exploring how the closing words of a show both summarize and set the tone for a show.
For me the show has well and truly run it's course. The episodes are just recycled ones from the past with different characters. The end should be something out of the usual. I like the idea of it ending where it began that would bring the series full circle like a continuous loop. The other I suppose cool thought is that a movie could give it a cinematic (Or Disney+/FOX) farewell. The big problem is the series has been going on for so long, it makes it hard to think what note it could end on. Troy McClure could introduce the final episode as a clip show (Please don't). Perhaps one example of an ending is that The Simpson House is sold (For some unforeseen circumstance) and The Simpsons move away from Springfield. Man, I would like to see Hank Scorpio thrown in there somehow. He is my favourite character. One episode does not do him justice. Maybe he overtakes Springfield? Could be cool. Last it could be a 2-part Who Shot Homer Simpson (Or something like that)? It would have to be a Simpson for a final, but a bit of a bleak outcome for a final. Just some thoughts.
All interesting thoughts. The "Who Shot Mr Burns" thing was such a huge cultural phenomenon, I wonder if they'd do something similar to that. If I had to guess, I'd say your idea of them losing their house is the more likely option - some kind of threat to the family, or something that is a permanent fixture that they have to save. The house makes a lot of sense, but it could also be the whole town of Springfield, sort of like in the movie. Guess we'll see!
5:10 I disagree with this statement. The button line was a dumb throwaway gag that isn't very memorable. Ending the Simpsons with the family going to the Christmas pagent would be pretty cool because Simpsons fans love that episode and remember it fondly.
That's actually a very real possibility. With AI, they can easily continue the show without the voice actors, which was in theory the only limitation to the show's continuation. Makes you wonder if there will be Simpsons content, in some form, for the rest of our lives and beyond.
@@theartofstorytelling1 they could do it without AI. Replacing a voice actor is easier than we think. Rick and Morty had the voice actor replaced. Show seems to be still run well.
Due to Homer's incompetence, the nuclear power plant has a full-on melt down that makes Chernobyl look like a bad tanning bed accident, killing all of Springfield and the surrounding area. OR... Kodos and Kang type aliens invade the world, eating the Simpsons family and destroying the world in cannon (not a Treehouse of Horrors episode). OR... The episode abruptly stops, Tracey Ullman steps out IRL and points out how radically the Simpson's have changed over the years (for the worse in some instances) and FIANLLY pulls the plug (literally) on the show, fading the screen to static. The end. 😏
Haha, you should pitch these ideas. Having Tracey Ullman involved does seem appropriate. Also Kang and Kodos - two of the most iconic characters. If it was all just part of some weird scheme of theirs, I'd be satisfied with that conclusion.
They will hit 40 and call it a day....plus it won't be a send off. It'll be just another episode with some dumb punchline at the end......or a movie will end it....no way they gonna go all out....
I'd never considered that. I assumed that after so many year's, they'd HAVE to send it off. But maybe ratings will be so low it will die with a whimper rather than a bang.
@@theartofstorytelling1 the family doesn't sit down Sunday night anymore and watch Fox lol....they stream, tik tok or freaking turn trans regardless the Simpsons as much as I loved them, gave a few hundred people lifetime jobs. Hey what did u retire from, oh i made Simpsons cartoons for 40 years.....
The most cathartic end to the legendary Simpsons would have to be Lisa dies and everyone, including the audience, is the most relieved they've been in decades.
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Personally, I do like the "going to a Christmas paegent" idea. But that's just me.
Yeah, if that's what the showrunner thinks is best for the show, then that says something. Obviously he gets the show and knows how it should end. Makes me wonder how many people would make the connection - maybe they'd have to regress into the old style of animation too haha. Could be really interesting.
I'd love the final episode to be Homer waking up from his nap at Frank Grimes' funeral. Turns out everything after season 8 was a bad dream! 😆
Interesting topic! Shame it has not found a bigger audience yet. This and a recent rings of power video made me subscribe.
How should it end? About 25 years ago.
Lol valid
I just came from your "The Rings of Power isn't Fantasy" and "How to Make a Zelda Movie" video and I want to say how much I respect the way you analyze these works.
As someone who tries to write stories myself, I'd be tempted to (as I believe many others do as well), force a narrative or conclusion with the characters really going through some lasting growth, as that is what I consider is great storytelling. But you've shown me the importance of understanding the format of each story.
I feel like I'm learning so much. Thank you.
The Simpsons is like a well built tank that takes ages to bring down.
Almost reminds me of those old German Panzer tanks from WWII that somehow kept chugging along until at least the 90s
It would be tough for the Simpsons to end the same way that Friends did since the last laugh was adlibbed. When Rachel asks "Should we get some coffee?" Chandler says "Sure - where?".
Pretty amazing that was ad-libbed, because it really is a perfect closer. Goes to show Matthew Perry's talent. I guess the Simpsons can't ad lib lol.
The last time I watched simpsons is a good while back but it was always fun :D
I remember this episode and I feel the same say!
Every time I can learn something from your videos!
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching :)
What about... Write a supernatural-themed Halloween episode, but make it canon, for the first, only, and last time.
This idea is loose, needs notes, but bear with me -
Homer is abducted by the aliens, or maybe falls in a time-portal or wtv, A Christmas Story/A-Christmas-Carol style (maybe his 'angel' is Mr. Berns?). He revisits the crucial moments throughout the history of the show, when he failed, then redeemed himself. He and the audience reflect upon the 30+ years of those moments, complimented by clips of how the animation has changed over time.
In the final scene, cut to a very old Marge, 40+ year-old Bart and Lisa and Maggie spreading his ashes, (as directed in his will/voiceover) at the doughnut shop, Apu's, Moe's (per Homer's instructions, some ashes are sprinkled onto one last Flaming Moe, appropriately. Barney drinks it), etc. A final monologue, probably by Lisa, at a funeral scene with many if not all characters present. The mic is passed, and each character reflects upon what a pain in the ass he was, but simultaneously what his spirit meant to the community, and what he meant to his family.
Barney sings Amazing Grace, with improvised drunken lyrics because he's utterly trashed off the Flaming Moe with Homer-Garnish.
It could be as American as it gets - Deeply flawed, probably drunk, and yet full of heart.
Or something like that. Loose idea. But could work.
Needs feedback.
As was sung long ago, "You'll never stop the Simpsons" although I think the demarcating line is 9/11. If the end of the Cold War marked the start of *real* Simpsons, the beginning of the War on Terror marks its *real* end. The hopeful bourgeoisiey-ness that existed in the 90s and was satired perfectly by *real* Simpsons fell with the towers. Family Guy is something like mainstream inheritor of the Simpsons (though much of that flavor was divested into what used to be Adult Swim), though in the final analysis South Park-which smartly observed, "Simpsons did it!" is better than them both. This wouldn't have been true if they'd quit while they were ahead. For me, season 1-11 are enough.
It should end like _Tiny Toon Adventures_ The episode I view as canonical ending is where they help some old 1930s cartoon characters (who somewhat resembles the _Animaniacs_ characters) to find a new audience, but in doing that, the series becomes passé, gets cancelled, and the two bunnies became regular gameshow participants.
Honestly, I think the final scene we ever see of the Simpsons should be the family racing to the couch like in every intro, but they sit down and can actually enjoy TV together as a family.
Well, they seem to like singing in many episodes. Maybe the final ep will be a two hour musical 😅
The sad truth is: because of the development of AI and Deepvoice, we could be even a decade from the Simpsons ending.
i like the fact that this is a kid shows and it been running aslong as afv ( also small flex iv watched every episode)
That's pretty impressive. Is it true that the latest seasons are actually really good? I keep reading that there's been a Simpsons "renaissance".
The episode where the town gets trashed and they fail to find a fix, so they end up moving everything several miles down the road has that same energy as the cyclical endings.
Could have ended on season 11's final episode, Behind the Laughter.
Maybe it should end with a second movie.
Nah...it should end with Homer addressing the audience...Barts and Lisa are revealed as midget actors, the baby is an animatronic piloted by a VR actor and the crew disassemble the "stage" as Homer reveals the show is over while Marge unclips her Blue wig to reveal she was a blond all along.
I thought about that, and I could see it happening. You can see the logic from the studio - if it's going to be an event, then might as well make it a ticketed one, and give it a feature-length treatment. But here's the paradox, you'd STILL have to do a final TV EPISODE, so in a way there would be two "finales". I guess you could connect them - have the TV show connect narratively to the film. Or maybe with streaming, there won't really be a difference anymore. All very interesting possibilities.
@@theartofstorytelling1 the final episode of the simpsons could appropriately just be another episode - when the studio announce that it will end in a cinematic event, then they make it clear that it is the end.
With a time loop. During the final episode, the animation would discreetly change to the style of "Simpsons Roasting On Open Fire" and the voice actors would too (they'd need to do this with some editing, especially for Marge who nowadays sounds like a crow who smokes three packs of cigarettes a day).
Wait, no. Scratch that. Instead they should do an episode that advances everything with a couple of years and gives either clear routes for the characters or at least insinuate them.
The problem with this is: how many of the characters besides the Simpson family should be included in this? Flanders is sort of obvious. But after that, it starts to get trickier.
I think the Simpsons should end where it began but with all the members of the family making slightly different choices which bring them together instead of dividing them, Maggie speaking for the first time ever, and Homer doing something that makes him say”D’oh,” as the final line.
Oh dang, a missed opportunity for my video - I never speculated about what the closing line of the show should be. That's actually really important. One of the classic catchphrases seems appropriate, like you say. D'oh, Ay Caramba, Eat My Shorts, etc.
@@theartofstorytelling1 Maybe you can run with that and do a “Famous Last Words” video exploring how the closing words of a show both summarize and set the tone for a show.
For me the show has well and truly run it's course. The episodes are just recycled ones from the past with different characters. The end should be something out of the usual. I like the idea of it ending where it began that would bring the series full circle like a continuous loop. The other I suppose cool thought is that a movie could give it a cinematic (Or Disney+/FOX) farewell. The big problem is the series has been going on for so long, it makes it hard to think what note it could end on. Troy McClure could introduce the final episode as a clip show (Please don't). Perhaps one example of an ending is that The Simpson House is sold (For some unforeseen circumstance) and The Simpsons move away from Springfield. Man, I would like to see Hank Scorpio thrown in there somehow. He is my favourite character. One episode does not do him justice. Maybe he overtakes Springfield? Could be cool. Last it could be a 2-part Who Shot Homer Simpson (Or something like that)? It would have to be a Simpson for a final, but a bit of a bleak outcome for a final. Just some thoughts.
All interesting thoughts. The "Who Shot Mr Burns" thing was such a huge cultural phenomenon, I wonder if they'd do something similar to that. If I had to guess, I'd say your idea of them losing their house is the more likely option - some kind of threat to the family, or something that is a permanent fixture that they have to save. The house makes a lot of sense, but it could also be the whole town of Springfield, sort of like in the movie. Guess we'll see!
5:10 I disagree with this statement. The button line was a dumb throwaway gag that isn't very memorable. Ending the Simpsons with the family going to the Christmas pagent would be pretty cool because Simpsons fans love that episode and remember it fondly.
It should never end. Multigenerational show that can speak to a newest generation.
That's actually a very real possibility. With AI, they can easily continue the show without the voice actors, which was in theory the only limitation to the show's continuation. Makes you wonder if there will be Simpsons content, in some form, for the rest of our lives and beyond.
@@theartofstorytelling1 they could do it without AI. Replacing a voice actor is easier than we think. Rick and Morty had the voice actor replaced. Show seems to be still run well.
To appropriately end the Simpsons it would be interesting to see them take on a second movie.
Due to Homer's incompetence, the nuclear power plant has a full-on melt down that makes Chernobyl look like a bad tanning bed accident, killing all of Springfield and the surrounding area.
OR...
Kodos and Kang type aliens invade the world, eating the Simpsons family and destroying the world in cannon (not a Treehouse of Horrors episode).
OR...
The episode abruptly stops, Tracey Ullman steps out IRL and points out how radically the Simpson's have changed over the years (for the worse in some instances) and FIANLLY pulls the plug (literally) on the show, fading the screen to static.
The end. 😏
Haha, you should pitch these ideas. Having Tracey Ullman involved does seem appropriate. Also Kang and Kodos - two of the most iconic characters. If it was all just part of some weird scheme of theirs, I'd be satisfied with that conclusion.
Mic is a bit hot
Thanks for the feedback. Still figuring out audio. Feels like maybe mic was just too close this time.
Simpsons are the Present. Never end the shows. Futurama or Disenchantment its ine show.
They will hit 40 and call it a day....plus it won't be a send off. It'll be just another episode with some dumb punchline at the end......or a movie will end it....no way they gonna go all out....
I'd never considered that. I assumed that after so many year's, they'd HAVE to send it off. But maybe ratings will be so low it will die with a whimper rather than a bang.
@@theartofstorytelling1 it's more of jobs for the millennials than it is a viable comedy cartoon anymore
@@theartofstorytelling1 the family doesn't sit down Sunday night anymore and watch Fox lol....they stream, tik tok or freaking turn trans regardless the Simpsons as much as I loved them, gave a few hundred people lifetime jobs. Hey what did u retire from, oh
i made Simpsons cartoons for 40 years.....
lol
yes it should have ended a while ago.
That's probably true - would have been a HUGE event if it ended in 1998 lol.
The most cathartic end to the legendary Simpsons would have to be Lisa dies and everyone, including the audience, is the most relieved they've been in decades.