Luke Explains How “Balance” in the Force is Better than the Light and Dark Sides! (Canon)
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The Non-Canon Expert looks at the recent Canon statements made by Luke Skywalker regarding the concept of balance in the Force within the "Star Wars: The Secrets of the Jedi" reference book, explaining how Luke saw balance in relation to the light and dark side alignments of the Force and how it could be used to resolve one of the great struggles seen throughout galactic history.
This is a Canon story for Luke Skywalker with information primarily found within the "Star Wars: The Secrets of the Jedi" reference book and the "Star Wars: Poe Dameron" comic, with minor references to the Episode 7: The Force Awakens novelization, the Episode 8: The Last Jedi novelization, and the "Star Wars: Guardians of the Whills" novel. I hope that you enjoy it!
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Luke addressing that balance is the way.
Thanos: Now this dude knows what I’m talking about.
JK Network it is the way.
I guess that Kylo should have aimed for the head 😉 xx
Jinty M yep but at least he aimed for the waste 😅
@@jknetwork6211 I guess the high ground wasn't the only lesson from Obi-Wan 😜 xx
Jinty M apparently not lmao 😁
Revan called....he wants his philosophy back.
Luke was pretty similar in the EU, but yeah. These aren't exactly new ideas in or out of universe
Too bad we're stuck with Ma-Rey Sue and the Chinese Revan knockoff Fail-O Ren.
Revan doesn't really have a philosophy. He was more of a man of action than thoughts. He just went with the flow and was bouncing between sides faster than anyone else ever did :D
Now his master... She had one... But let's agree that it's way too complex to expose in a movie.
@@alphapolimeris "Frak the Force. It's the biggest villain in the galaxy. You're all nerf herders for getting hooked on it and acting like idiots because of stupid dogma."
- Probably Kreia after a little too much juma juice
@@Elyseon I guess I stand corrected ^^'
I wish that they would have shown Luke coming to this revelation and teaching Rey this instead of making him a crusty hermit who was spend 80% of the film feeling sorry for himself and cut off from force.
Well, it made sense for Luke to cut himself off from the Force. For one thing, it was an excellent way of hiding from the Dark side users like Snoke and Kylo Ren which is basically the same thing that happened with Yoda. It could be argued that he should've just sought out refuge from the New Republic but that would endanger the lives of more people as the First Order would relentlessly hunt him down.
Yeah this can't be Canon cuz the movies showed us Luke is a failure that never learns from the past and repeats failure to the point where it cost him his life, he didn't even understand the Force that's why he was so miserable but then Rey will learn cuz the plot wants to make her perfect
@@darthtroller Yeah, that's absolute nonsense. Seems like you didn't even pay attention to the movie.
Didn't understand the Force? Lmfao. You probably missed that scene where he fucking mind-trick'd Kylo Ren across the stars.
@@perfectlybalancedasallthin9319 you're right it's just that I wish they would've had Luke explain that.
@@kingbeef7893 Yes, that was a bit of a mistake on their part but tbh, it's not a really a major one.
I always thought it was pretty clear that Luke was in touch with the light and dark side in ROTJ, but what made him different is that he remained in control. His dark side (anger/rage) helped him defeat Vader, but he remained on the right path thanks to his light side. Him wearing black also made him different from previous Jedi.
Anakin wore black too.
@@zahlenfourever6895 true, but I thought that was a bit of foreshadowing, it does mess up how I interpreted ROTJ but hey, the prequels didn’t exist yet lol
@@bagoftrix true. It is a bit retroactive irl
I just thought of something...Mark Hamill is one of the most amazing voice actor in the world...can you imagine the type of amazing cartoon series we could get about Jedi master Luke Skywalker
You could say Hamill really is the balance between good and evil, playing Luke Skywalker, Star Wars's greatest hero and voicing the Joker, Batman's baddest bad guy lol.
My thoughts.
Jedi taught that acting on one’s emotions was bad and having attachments was bad because they led to selfish decisions.
Sith taught that certain emotions and attachments were bad because they weakened you.
But in reality anger at injustices motivates people to fix it. The desire to help another person and acting on it makes the world a better place. Having people you care about helps you want to make the world a better place.
Yes, having friends can make you ‘weak’ but at the end of the day if you’re not fighting for someone or a greater cause than why are you struggling to make the world better?
The Jedi NEVER taught that acting on emotions is BAD! Listen to Anakin Skywalker's conversation to Padme Amidala in Episode 2.....does ANYBODY remember that scene.....hello!!!?
Hello to you my man, Anakin was simply trying to justify his feelings, this is simply how he interpret the jedi teachings, but his masters do not agree with it.
For almost three movies Obi Wan and Yoda tried to convince Anakin to avoid attachment, emotions and be detatched.
I saw (like many i think) that one of the major flaws of the jedi was that they consider emotions a pathway to the dark side, in reality emotions are an important part of almost every sentient being and live them in a healthy way is important for our inner balance aka light side.
Suppress emotions to avoid temptations is the most terrible and cheap solution the jedi thought.
We have seen from the prequels and other materials (canon and legends) that jedi teachings lead to the dark side, their idea of balance was flawed.
@@MultiNumenor But Anakin wasn't talking about Justifying emotions! He was CORRECTING Padme about the Concept of LOVE within the JEDI ORDER! So you just PROVED my point! The JEDI ORDER does NOT discourage LOVE! They discourage POSSESSIONS and ATTACHMENTS! There's a DIFFERENCE!
@@curtislangford3181 what, are you really seen the movies?Every type of bond is forbidden for the jedi, they can't have friends, families or every type of relation outside the order.
In reality they only made an exception for the master Ki Adi Mundi because his species bornrate is very low, but he can't really love his family.
Anakin and Padme married in secret not because she is a senator, but cause of jedi order restriction.
There is even the problem about about emotions too.
@@MultiNumenor did you even WATCH the SCENE in Attack Of The Clones that I am referencing?
“Perfectly Balance as all thing should be”
As all arnament haki should be
Indeed.
Balanced
Umm ru saying this since the grammar is wrong
I always loved the episode in clone wars where they explore the near unlimited potential Anakin had if he balanced himself and the force
Ep. 8 could've explored "Balance" in the Force so well with Luke reaching the pinnacle of the Light in RoTJ, then falling to a really dark place after Ben"s betrayal. The years in between that betrayal and Ep.8 should've been used as Luke coming to terms that it's okay to have a Dark Side so long you *choose* the Light, or find the *grey* in the Force.
A common theory that has at least a lot of truth is that dark and light don't exist on the scale we pretend they do Merrin uses the dark side yet she's honorable and compassionate. The point is light and dark may be on the inside so complete balance may not be possible as we all bend one way but being close is definitely possible.
@@bruhmieter5688 who tf is merrin? And how does she use the dark????
@@jarredlucas4000a character from the game Jedi fallen order and merrin is night sister of dathomir the female ruling class of Darth maul's species and they used a type of force sorcery that drew heavily from the dark side
@@nicksnacks Technically, the Nightsisters aren't the ruling class of all Dathomir; there are many witch clans that each have a male clan attached to them, although the Nightsisters are the most prominent witch clan because they decided to worship both gods of Dathomir (the Winged Goddess/Daughter and Horned God/Son) instead of exclusively worshipping the Winged Goddess, causing the most powerful among them to seek greater power and occasionally interfere with other Force-sensitive sects.
Now that the Nightsisters are basically extinct, I would expect some of the Light Side witch clans to gain prominence (and yes, that's Canon again), most notably the one that the Nightsisters split off from in Legends.
Kreia: *Laughs in no third way to use the Force, only degrees of light and dark*
EXACTLY! Each beings RELATIONSHIP with the Force is as unique as their fingerprints....if they have fingers!
Kyle Towe so, there is no balance?
@@SolosferaRPG
The whole concept of balance is bullshit . Because balance mean immobilism as there is no longer any conflict , think what you want but what make history moves is the conflict .
Bringing balance to the Force in the ned simply mean that the story of the force has ended .
@@stormbringer2840 I feel like the "balance" you're talking about is a different idea then Luke's or the videos, I believe he is talking about using both force sides, taking lessons from both, not neither, learning the sheer power of focusing your emotions through it, while restraining yourself for what you deem good, not for what the world and universe perceptions of good and evil.
I’m so angry again. Luke could have been such a great Jedi Master in TLJ with this kind of wisdom and knowledge.
Legends Luke was done right, he resurrected the Jedi order and became the grand master. Cannon is just some fricken hermit who gave up and ran away to some stupid planet where he sits there drink blue milk all day and saying the Jedi should just go away. Anyway he doesn't even seen to care that his friends are in danger. Yet some how we have people saying his "character development" in the new movies is "realistic". Jeez I honestly can't take some of the new star wars fans seriously anymore
Zelith Fang I always found it kinda hilarious that one minute he considers killing Kylo to save everything he loves, then the next he decides to let Kylo go and destroy everything he loves so he can fuck off to an island. Makes sense to me.
But didn't it SuBvErT yOuR eXpEcTaTiOnS???
Hero's Shade Yeah, I expected it to be a good movie.
+Austin Johnsen
Except it won't serve any purpose and we'll be getting the same character base like Obi-Wan, Yoda, and nearly every Jedi before and during the Clone Wars. In fact, we'll be getting the same naive Luke from Episode 6
One way I thought "balance" could be achieved was to live with the Force without doctrines or teachings, sure you have risk of darksiders but maniacs and killers are just as likely to appear anyway.
I often got the impression that the Force amplifies the emotions of the "user" so in Dr. Erskines words "good becomes great; bad becomes worse" sure there is more to it than that but I hope I got my point across.
The issue is that power corrupts. Every type of power. Jedi's philosophy is essentially to do everything to avoid corruption by following the flow of the force.
Without a doctrine to keep emotions in check... my bet would be darkside for 95% of force sensitives. It's not a good/evil thing. Most darkside users had good intentions, and that's the terrifying truth of the force.
@@alphapolimeris As they say "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
Also this "Tyranny from external sources are easy to find and fight. Defending those who cannot defend themselves is a reasonable example. But when your abilities are so much greater than those around you, there is a temptation to set everything right by might alone. That is tyranny from within".
alphapolimeris
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - Lord Actor.
This is the guy you’re quoting. And he’s wrong. Think about what it means, everyone who ever attempted to achieve great things have become ‘bad’. Our civilization is built on great men, men who unified states and brought about paradigm shifts in the sciences and humanities. If this is the case, then civilization is immoral. The moral implications of this invalidates all progress and lionizes the nasty brutish and short lives of our primitive ancestors. Ghandi and King were great men, they were certainly not bad men by most people’s standards.
“But although the cliche says that power always corrupts, what is seldom said ... is that power always reveals. When a man is climbing, trying to persuade others to give him power, concealment is necessary. ... But as a man obtains more power, camouflage becomes less necessary.” - Robert A. Caro
This is a more accurate description of power. Power isn’t some magical evil energy that transforms good people into Hitlers on exposure. Power removes extrinsic motivations to be selfless. Anyone whose motivations to do good were solely extrinsic will drop their pretenses upon gaining power. Power reveals a person’s moral character. So if someone gained power and started abusing people, he is still the same man. The only difference is that now you’re seeing him for what he really is.
This is why Dark Side corruption is, in my opinion, so vapid. It blames all bad behavior on some mystical energy field and ignores the disgusting vulture of a man shooting lightning from his hands. Or the half-machine brute cleaving good people into meat chunks with his plasma sword.
@@z_is_for_zombie7423 I disagree but this is mostly a question of the definitions of powers.
The Force is a power that comes without constraints, with no cost attached. Some people are more powerful than other and nothing can be done about it. This is what happens when you squat a fly or kill ants when you are a children. This gratuitous power is corrupting. There are safeguards in society so that not everyone turns into a mass animal murderer, and even then that can be debated... In Star Wars, Jedis are the safeguards.
You are comparing it to power that is obtainable trough others, which relies on multiple levels of contracts passed between beings of same power. While it's interesting, it's not what the force is about. The force can also not be compared to strength gained through training because of the scales we are dealing with. And while strength (physical or intellectual) doesn't make one evil, you certainly have to pay closer attention not to harm others with no repercussion whatsoever.
So you are right. Not all sources of power are dumb and gratuitous. But the Force is. You are force-sensitive therefore you have the potential to be a demi-god to others and masquarade as a normal being. But you are not.
alphapolimeris
I think you’re overplaying the power of force users. The force is capable of anything, but force users are not. Most force users will never become demigods. Keep in mind that the extremely powerful force wielders which dominate so many stories are basically freaks of nature.
Force usage may not inherently come with a cost, but a cost can be imposed. Sufficiently advanced and specialized technology can combat MOST force users and bring them back in line. Hell, Cad Bane specializes in hunting Jedi. And he has succeeded in killing them.
So force wielders aren’t demigods pretending to be human. Even the most powerful ones are still recognizably people. They can be coerced into behaving. The problem in Star Wars is that no one has bothered trying because they think all force users are unstoppable. And they think this because of the famous and infamous actions of a few freaks of nature.
In the EU there was such an order. The Jedai’i. They were a proto Jedi order that mandated the balance between light and dark. The first great schism caused both the Jedi and Sith orders to ultimately come to be.
Indeed. This is nothing new. EU has been doing this for longer than these rubbish sequels. Contrary to Freddie Prinze Jr's lack of 'knowledge' (lmao) on the subject as well.
@@Warhammered r u done eu is just fan fiction
Half the je'dai fell to darkness and destroyed the balance they worked to hard to achieve, resulting in the creating of the jedi, the je'dai tryed and failed
@@da-vidcargill4975 The EU is not just fan fiction Lol
MrDarthtelos so basically the cycle is complete
3:09 - The films just aren't concerned with the Force on this level..
Bro, this statement is something it took me a long time to come to terms with. It's painful, but true. Neither George, nor Disney has ever delve too deeply into in the movies.
However, much to there credit, both George and Disney have explored it in Clone Wars series and Rebels series. Disney, even more so with Rebels. So it isn't like they don't care.
I just wished the knowledge came from Luke, as he is suppose to be the teacher of the next generation having defeated Darth Vader and helped restore balance.
Since Luke helped restore balance, he should have a deeper understanding then anyone else alive.
This has great timing as I have been struggling with some things in my life and refer to it in my mind as "falling to the darkside", trying to purge it from myself.. which isn't right.
I have to find my balance.
Funny thing is I always had this idea before I knew Luke came up with it
There is no good nor evil:only intent.
A traditional “dark side” power could be used for good;force lightning used to recharge a generator for instance
My dude you can’t use Star Wars logic in real life to any capacity
Ember Arashi force lightning drains life it wouldn't recharge anything...and there is real light and darkness.. but being selfless like Jedi in real life is always worth trying to be..
lol
This is a late response but here it is anyway. The problem is you are unhappy with how things are and won't accept yourself. The dark side is bad but you have to accept that it exists. You have to acknowledge that it will always be there. You need to be OK and accept that the dark side is a part of you but you still have to fight it. You should watch Yodas arc at the end of season 6 in the clone wars, it explains it very well there. Just remember that it is OK to have a dark side because we all have one. It's about the journey of being in the right direction. There is no final destination where you win because you will never reach it. Peace is when you accept how things are. Be happy where you are and you will find moving forward will be less of a burden.
I just realized. If they make a new Star Wars trilogy, they should include the prime Jedi
The first were the jedaii.
No, they really shouldn't, I'm scared of how bad they could ruin Star Wars if they start focusing on such pivotal pieces of the lore. They should focus on making good Star Wars media before they attempt anything like that.
@@luckerooni7628 yeah. They will add political correctness. Which in fact is corrupting the youth. Making them protest for bullshit. If they make the jedaii canon it would be ruined. Making them lgbt, overpowered women, weak characters, the rRakata Infinite Empire turned into a joke instead of a real threat like in legends. Better let that Rest In Peace and wait for an adecuate producer who knows and respects the lore and decides to make a story about it.
@@bradmorales4002 Whats the problem with Lgbt characters?
Arthur making Lando Carlissian “pansexual” is a slap in the face to every true SW fan. Lando was a well known womanizer, key word, WOMANizer
So struggle between light and dark is pretty much never ending circle. It does make sense based on everything. I do think that becoming true Grey Jedi isn't easy because of how easily dark side can take over.
What does a grey jedi do ? What is his objective ?
@@stormbringer2840 a grey jedi is a person who uses both sides of the force but remains good. They also don't follow a specific code or order
@@stormbringer2840 A "Grey Jedi" or "Gray Jedi" is an outdated umbrella term meaning someone who tries to keep the Light and Dark balanced within themselves, while also retaining their moral code. These codes can wildly vary, with notable examples in Legends being the original Je'daii (the progenitors of the Jedi Order, they created Force-imbued metal katanas rather than lightsabers and kept the peace in their own system (the Tython system) only, because hyperspace technology was virtually inaccessible at that point, all inhabitants of the system being descendants of intellectuals and Force-sensitive sages from a variety of races who were brought to the system by mysterious ships called the Tho Yor that became the temples which dotted the surface of Tython) a slightly pre-Clone War Jedi splinter group called the Jensaarai/"Keepers of the Hidden Truth" (hunted by the Old Jedi for their associations with Dooku and hunted by the Imperial Inquisition because that's what they do, they viewed themselves as the hidden peacekeepers of the Suarbi system, only acting outside of their system after Grandmaster Luke Skywalker managed to form an educational and defensive alliance with them; like the Jedi, they built lightsabers, but unlike the Jedi, they used alchemy to imbue the Force into cortosis weave armor), the Imperial Knights (who did not view themselves as having a duty to the Force, but rather only to defending the Fel royal family, from both outside threats and corruption by the Dark Side), and the Potentium Heretics (actual Jedi who believed that evil did not (and *could not)* lie in the Force, but instead in the hearts of men, specifically evil intentions, and that therefore, powers traditionally associated with the Dark Side could be used safely if the intent was good; this term can refer to a large group of Heretics who were expelled from the Order, or young Jedi that came to this theory on their own, and may not even use the term "Potentium").
The term is derived from Dark Jedi, which I don't think is a Canonical term anymore, but was invented for Legends because the only "appearance" of the term Sith in the Original Trilogy is in the script notes for A New Hope, which say that Darth Vader is a "Dark Lord of the Sith," but provide no context for the term; Vader is referred to as the "last vestige of [the Jedi's] ancient religion," not a follower of the Sith religion. Hence, in the days of the novel where "Dark Jedi" was first defined, "Jedi" was simply a term for all Force-users. Lucas later sent out a memo defining the term to Sith to EU authors, which is how we got things like the ancient Sith comics.
You will often find people criticize the term "Gray Jedi" because they do not know the etymology; I have therefore proposed the terms "Grey Monk" or "Grey Knight," which give the same connotations of shades of gray without running into the specific organizational connotation that "Jedi" gives to the average fan.
This is not to say that a Gray Jedi can use all the powers a Sith can; for the Je'daii on Tython, life was a careful balancing act. Their alchemists and lightning-throwers certainly were not as strong as those of the Sith, nor was the alchemy of the Jensaarai as powerful as the alchemy of the Sith. This is the other common criticism, that "Gray Jedi" was just a made-up concept by people who wanted to use Sith powers but not pay the price for it. Following one Side is basically the only way to gain the full powers of that Side, and though there are those that walk in the Gray, they do not gain the full Dark powers of the Sith or the full Light powers of the Jedi.
I think one of the things that makes the Force interesting is how there was supposed to be no balance. It's light side or dark side. If you try to be in the middle, the dark side WILL pull you in. That would be the reason why Jedi want to be purely in the light side, and the reason why Anakin for instance quickly fell to the dark side during Episode III. He was a bit in the middle, and once he stepped into the dark side he was pulled in and didn't look back. Spacedock has a video on this. Although this is of course a matter of opinion.
Yes, this is indeed quite interesting!
Except one could also argue that the reason jedi become so corruptable is because they never experience the dark side and view it as evil, rather than learn to view it as simply part of the force as they should. Look at the Bendu. He is neither light or dark, yet he could not be corrupted by the dark side
@@fireblast8972 exactly their inexperience with dark side emotions is what inevitably causes them to fall and is also why the Sith have risen time and time again
The Father was balanced so being balanced seems to be possible (though that doesn't mean it'd be easy).
@@fireblast8972 yes but also shows how the Jedi who have faced the dark side and overcame it became stronger or wiser
So you mean Luke's EU Jedi Order basically? Just with more grey areas.
with added green milk.
And no Ma-Rey Sues allowed!
K Korona
What the fuck are you saying?
Elyseon luke was a Gary stu
@K Korona Someone suicide me wtf
There is no escape.
Darth Vader you are as clumsy as you are stupid
Grey Jedi would see the wisdom in teaching a man how to fish rather than simply providing him a fish.
Makes no sense
@@Sea-zu4bj LOL
Ngl I dont get the connection
@Balance of The hill LOL
1. Give a bucket fish.(LS)
2. Teach to fish.(Neutral)
3. Kill and take his fish.(DS)
So basically... The Grey Jedi
Someone started ranting at me when I suggested that they would be a good idea.
Personally, I think the light side should still be more prominent with some aspects of the dark. Namely, stop telling young padawans to ignore and bury all emotions. There's a time and place for emotions and there's a time and place to remain cool headed.
That would have solved a great many problems really early on. If Anakin and Padme could have been more open, this whole mess could have been avoided.
"with some aspects of the dark. Namely, stop telling young padawans to ignore and bury all emotions. There's a time and place for emotions and there's a time and place to remain cool headed."
Recognizing your emotions is not an aspect of the darkside , it's just that the jedi feared that their emotions could sway them toward the darkside so they didn't act on them . If anything ignoring their emotions by FEAR of being swayed toward the darkside is closer to a dark aspect .
As I understood it from the original films the "Dark Side" was using the Force for "dark" purposes. There wasn't any true alignment. The Jedi just simply used the Force. Falling to the Dark Side created an aberration, an imbalance in the world and yourself.
because jedi are partially inspired by buddhism i feel like this males sense. its not about enforcing a way of life ie. light or dark, but accepting the reality of our existence and the duality of man.
Yes, but if I'm not mistaken Lucas based the Force on Tao and balance in Tao is the absence of evil/darkness while Disney seems to want to turn the Force into something more akin to Yin - Yang.
Jedi are Taoist. I’m definitely not Buddhist. There are many similarities and the alignments of Taoism and Buddhism are also common in Hinduism and almost every other religion.
@@lanesmith1465 balanced is not the absence of evil
@@Pimping9167 Take it up with Lao Tzu and George Lucas. Thats how Lao Tzu framed Tao or the Way and how Lucas described the Force in interviews.
Infact that's how even Judaism and Christianity frame living in harmony with G-d, as a complete turn from you sinful ways.
@@lanesmith1465 That depends entirely on which version of God you subscribe to. Besides, even in Legends, Grey Jedi were a thing.
So basically what revan knew few thousand years before :D
"If there is a place for it, episode 9 is it"
Why do you guys keep going back like a beaten housewife to that mouse.
XD Just as he said that there was an Ad of someone sneezing
They don't learn. "Oh maybe next time"
This is a Starwars channel though, so he's almost obligated to see Episode 9 for content. Can't really blame him there.
@@Chacho131 fair enough, but personally I think the star wars channels should take the strongest stance against the mouse.
If there's going to be a “Balance Force" there has to be a new threat...
Danny Cartagena or even an enemy outside of the Force, if that was possible...the Yhuuzhan Vong maybe!!!
@@neilmurphy966 - it's possible..?...
A threat to the force itself maybe (like kreia was), or maybe it could be the end to the story. I mean every series needs an end. Of course there can be more star wars stories, but just not any after said point. Something that closes the cycle of this epic. But we won't have to think about that as this concept of balance has not been explored any further in the movies.
So...
Basically.
He took Revans idea.
Why they didn't keep him canon is beyond me...
Well if he became cannon he probably be the main example for luke to use to show how people should be as force users
In the prequel era the darkside was clearly dominant and the force scale was tipped in the siths favor making them incredibly more powerful than the Jedi. During the galactic civil war the light side was stronger as the the darkside became arrogant of its dominance. In the sequel era I feel that there is a balance as kylo and Rey seem to be equally strong in the force with neither being able to truly defeat each other.
After reading the Darth Plagueis novel, this is how I began viewing the workings of the Force "begin the scenes" as well, at least as applied to different aspects of the lore. It's just another really fun addition to the Plagueis novel. I've read that Episode 9 focused on the question of how powerful the Force is, so it will be interesting if we see this topic step forward again in The Rise of Skywalker. Thank you for watching PS!
Rey beat kylo in the first film and spared him in 8 ;/
I dont really like either of those characters as leads ...theres too much of this gray bull shit too I think..right is right wrong is wrong ... there is in between but they are just regular joes... not force sensitive.
@@chriskinsella7201 Murder is evil, but killing in self defence, or in the defence of another is still evil? Soldiers must defend their country, or come to the aid of an ally if they're attacked. It's justified murder, after all. While it would be ideal to never need to kill at all, some evils are necessary for the greater good.
@@BlackEpyon nah its all bad when someone dies . Also I get what you are saying but say some guy kills your mom or son or wife or whatever.. someone you love .. then you kill them for revenge how is there any good in any of this situation? It all started with an evil thought ... therefore its a chain of bad reactions until we forgive or forget or make peace with ourselves .
What does balance in the force look like...supreme indifference?
TS175 it maybe that you do what you believe is right without attempting to influence either the light or dark. Live by your ideals with the power granted by the force
@@TheVoidisEternal ok, can a dark sider achieve balance in the force, who does that look?
Why is Rey on the secrets of the jedi cover.... she's no jedi...
Rey will never be a Skywalker either
@@bbp2930 here's to hoping for a ret-con
@@TheTrueArchonFTW here’s for hoping Dave Filoni takes property of Star wars
I never really liked the balance of the force. The big pull for me was is if you're for sensitive you have to pick the light or dark side you cannot remain in the middle and still be sane. The pull to one extreme or the other is what drew me into the force. Knights of the old Republic 2.
@@khadenallast4495 I like that take but my favorite take is that the light side and the dark side will enslave you. The light side does it through pathological altruism it makes you its unshakable and necessary ally that you can never separate from. Where was the dark side the more you try to control its the more it controls you due to its necessity.
@@khadenallast4495 the father kept his children I'm balance. If balance solely referred to the light he would have killed his son
@@khadenallast4495 too bad is canon
@@khadenallast4495 ehm...that was under George Lucas era, he approved personally the Mortis arc and directed Filoni
@@khadenallast4495 in that case it'ok.
The concept of the addiction to the dark side were well expressed in KOTOR 2.
Kreia stated that in reality the sith were slaves of the Force and their thirst for power
Finally, someone who actually understands the definition of the word “balance”.
i feel they should make more TV shows of star wars it would allow them to explore the universe more and there would hopefully be more content media wise per year. :)
He’s literally the symbol for balance tho. That’s what the whole meditating on ach to shot was all about. He’s sitting on the prime Jedi stone, and then you see a shot of the stone he will eventually meditate and die on.
I think this is because this was the first Jedi and he’s The Last Jedi (until Rey becomes one) , and for that moment, he was a jedi in its purest form. Balanced.
I'm going to have to disagree. Like a lot of long running franchises, Star Wars has had several aspects "flanderized" to use the TV Tropes term. Things like the Empire becoming obsessed with Super Weapons when they only ever had just one in the films, and they only built it twice because A) it worked and B) to set a trap to wipe out the Rebellion. Or Stormtrooper Marksmanship being poor because they couldn't shoot Han Solo during the heroes escape from the Death Star, when Leia suspects and Tarkin confirms that the soldiers were ORDERED to let the heroes escape. Because the Stormtroopers are actually solid shots outside of that instance, or at least no worse than any other non-hero in the franchise.
The Force is one such aspect that's gotten flanderized over time. Originally, there was no "Light side of the Force", there was simply the Force, and there was the Dark Side of the Force. To a lot of people, when visualizing the Force, they probably see something akin to a Taijitu or Yin-Yang, where both the Force and the Darkside are equals and you need both to create a harmonious whole. I feel this interpretation came about due to the idea that if there is a Dark Side, then the Force must be opposite, a Light Side that is equal to the Dark. And I also feel this interpretation is wrong.
When I visualize the Force, I don't see a Taijitu. I see a sphere of pure white, marred by an ugly, festering, cancerous mass of blackness, trying to spread out and consume that sphere. The Force is, essentially, perfect harmony in and of itself, and the Dark Side is more or less a cancer seeking to destroy that harmony. There can't be any harmony withing the Force and the Dark Side because the Force by itself IS harmony and balance, while the Dark Side is an agent that exists solely to destroy that balance.
The Force, essentially, is a healthy balance between an individual and the universe around them, including the other beings that exist in said universe. It is likewise an effort with an individual to balance their own emotions. I argue that Fear and Anger are not of the Dark Side. Fear is a healthy emotion, it teaches one to be cautious and aware of danger. Anger is a healthy emotion, as it is a motivating force that causes us to respond to injustice and threats. They fit perfectly within the framework of the Force.
The Dark Side is thus created when things are out of balance. When fear goes beyond caution and turns into an all consuming dread that leads one to irrational acts. When anger turns into unreasoning hatred that has no purpose but to feed itself. When love goes from a way to connect with another to becoming a possessive lust that treats the other person as an object to own and control.
Using the Force then is akin to gaining excellence in any other field. You train, work hard, learn how to master the skills needed with a combination of healthy emotions and a clear focus. The Dark Side is like using an addictive drug that helps you achieve results quicker and easier, but at a greater personal cost. When a Jedi uses the Force, he does so using healthy emotions in conjunction with focus, drawing strength from his entire being.When a Sith uses the Force, he is doing so by tapping into his emotions that are connected to the Dark Side, like hatred, extreme fear and lust. It's easier to access the Force through those dark emotions rather than through harmony, but in doing so you are training yourself to tap into the Force solely through those emotions. As a result, you need to keep feeding those extreme negative emotions, with trains you to keep indulging them, with slowly drives you mad or down a self-destructive, evil path. You essentially become addicted to your dark emotions, until you become focused solely on your own gratification at the exclusion of all else. All you care about is power, but rather than being its master, you become its slave.
Master Yoda understood this when he told Luke that the Dark Side was not stronger, merely quicker and more seductive, because it basically encourages you to give into your worst traits, while the Force requires a great deal of harmony within and without. The reward for working harder with the Force is the ability to use its power with a clear head and purpose, in a way that can benefit everyone, including yourself.
Yoda understands this, but I also feel that it was Yoda's understanding and guidance of the Jedi over the last several hundred years that lead to its downfall. Yoda is very wise in how to control the Force and in much of its philosophy, but I feel his greatest weakness is in how he chose to combat the Dark Side. Rather than teach the Jedi how to control emotions such as anger, fear and love, Yoda saw these emotions as gateways to the Dark Side, and taught to simply to try and not experience those emotions. To my mind, this lack of experience with those emotions did more harm than good, because it left the Clone Wars era of Jedi completely unprepared for the emotions the war would cause. This is why so many Jedi feel to the Dark Side during that way, because they had no frame of reference to resist the pull of the Dark Side.
What Luke's Jedi Order should have been was a clean slate, one that taught about the harmony that is the Force, and how anger, fear and love are not only healthy, but necessary. Luke's order would have demanded more of the Jedi, having to know when to use anger and when to put it aside, but this would allow them to resist the pull of hatred when the time came.
Long story short, you cannot have balance and harmony with the Force and the Dark Side because the Dark Side, by its very nature, creates disharmony and imbalance. When Luke and Anakin brought balance to the Force, what they were doing was destroying the single greatest champion the Dark Side ever had, removing his corrupting influence from the galaxy, destroying the Sith in its entirety, and creating a new, level playing field where the Force could flourish without the Dark Side.
In addition to the fact that I disagree with this particular interperation of what light and dark sides mean, I don't want a "resolution" to the struggle between light and dark in the form of jedi and sith. Taking both of those factions out would make star wars boring and replacing them with something else wouldn't really make it Star Wars anymore.
thats just you, to ppl in universe they are sick of it
@@da-vidcargill4975 I know I am. We can have star wars without jedi and sith and there can be other factions to fight as still have it be star wars
This very strongly contradicts what George Lucas said about the nature of the Force and the Jedi. The Dark Side is not needed to achieve balance, it is a cancer that needs to be destroyed for the system of the Force and Galaxy to be at balance and peace.
And this is pretty solidly communicated in Lucas's Star Wars films. The galaxy is at peace when the Jedi are active before Episode I and the happy ending is when the Dark Side is destroyed and the Jedi only remain. The only times the galaxy is in pain is when the Sith are in charge who either wage wars or establish dictatorships.
And for all intensive purposes, the Dark Side was extinguished during the age of the Republic. There was no content struggle, that only happened when the Sith reemerged. And it's like Disney manufactured a problem that didn't exist before to validate their views, by forcing Luke to come a failure as if to prove that the happy ending Lucas established wasn't actually happy, that the Jedi Order was inherently flawed even though Luke's ultimate victory was when he achieved total Jedi Zen in Episode VI by rejecting the Dark Side and affirming his Jedi-ness.
But again, the view Disney presents contradicts everything Lucas established about Jedi, Sith and the Force. Evil is not dependent of Good existing, which is why the original happy ending, the victory of all time where the Prophesy is fulfilled and the balance is restored is when the Sith are destroyed and the Dark Side is defeated in Return of the Jedi. That's the happy ending, the "Return" of the Jedi as Lucas intended.
Why didn’t we get something like this instead of all that prattle about “burn the past”?
Kill the past was KYLO's philosophy, which was later refuted by Yoda's 'the greatest teacher, failure is' philosophy. The new trilogy is all about balance, Rey and Kylo are basically 2 sides of the protagonist, darkness rising and light to meet it
And yet Kylo earns his power by training and working hard and Rey is just magically gifted everything
@@Adam-jn7nc If she were able to mindtrick that stormtrooper on her first try I would agree
The Code of the Jhowty Guardians:
The Eightfold Path of the Middle Way for Maintaining the Circle of Balance
The Force flows through me with the Balance of Knowledge and Power.
1. Through Knowledge, I exercise Restraint.
2. Through Restraint, I Control my Emotion.
3. Through Control, I Focus my Passion.
4. Through Passion, I gain Strength.
5. Through Strength, I gain Power.
6. Through Power, I gain Victory.
7. Through Victory, I achieve Liberty.
8. Through Liberty, I guard Peace.
With Peace, Balance is maintained in the Force.
"That's not how the Force works!"
Grey Jedi knew this for millennia. It just took everybody else this long to catch up.
Funniest part of the idea of the Force as being only Light and Dark polar opposites is that it's a Western Philosophical concept. So most Western audiences saw it as such due to this concept being so prevalent in religion and our culture. Problem is that the original idea for Star Wars is based on Japanese Samurai movies which would be based in Taoist philosophy and Shinto religious views. Someone watching these movies in that part of the world would see the idea of the Jedi and Sith as being inherently flawed. What's ridiculous is that when I explain this concept to some fans and others who have watched this movie they think I'm reading too much into it. The whole idea of the Force is a pretty deep concept and the ideas of right and wrong are all over this story. So it by it's nature is a pretty heady movie series and not just dumb entertainment.
@@rolandgunslinger37 You're right about the influence of religion in western culture. It saturates everything.
@@BlackEpyon Yes but this is starwars not real life. In real life if you partake in evil you are given over to evil. If you seek God and honor his son there will be revelations of good in your life.
@@cameronperry832 God doesn't exist either. If you're going to live your life by a fiction, at least pick one where the "hero" isn't a genocidal control freak.
Yep. Now it is being shown through an ancient Jedi mantra that Balance is a third aspect of the Force. This mantra is told from Dooku: Jedi Lost.
I think Luke needs to have a complete reform on the rules centering around Jedi having attachments to family and the concept of love. He literally defeated the empire all because he had love from his father to keep him from instantly killing him when rejected. It also caused his enemy to repent. You can't say it is wrong when he proved it was stronger than the dark side.
So Je'daii is going to be a thing in canon?
It seems so. The Prime Jedi certainly seems like them.
I really enjoy this kind of concept, Luke finding the meaning of balance in the Force and passing it down to those who seek it.
I once thought that was what Luke probably meant when he thought for the Jedi to end, because without Darkness there can be no Light.
If only Luke felt was more sentimental to his father's old Lightsaber, melancholy but still filled with hope to obtain this balance.
As how the Luke Skywalker of old would have.
The utter tarnishment of his character really broke my heart and I now have so much disappointment of the way he was handled.
I hope one day the original Luke can be repaired.
Novels are doing better job of making me enjoy the SW universe than multi-million dollar films.
Novels have always been better than movies 🤦♂️
Interestingly...trying to achieve a grey "third" way of using the Force might also be a subtle avenue of control. Trying to resist labeling the Force as light or dark could also prove to be another method of egoic resistance. Luke is likely correct about observing the younglings' relationship with the Force. They simply allow the Force to guide them without any real expectations. Much like Qui Gon learned to do for much of his life.
"There is no right or wrong way, there is only a way"
So Jacen's Unifying Force? For all the good it did him.
Led by the dark was Jacen, not true balance
@@jameswagstaff984 I mean Jacen before Caedus. His whole spiel when he defeated the Vong.
This interpretation is dangerous. But whatever. I don't give a fuck about what Disney deems canon anyway.
well done. this was, imho, one of your finest.
Jedi: You need to have a serene mind
+ Sith: You are allowed to live your passion
= Feelings are natural, but keep your cool and dont get lost in them. Dont cross the border
So then is this 3rd option what happened/what was happening with Chirrut Îmwe in Rogue One? It seems like it to me.
The whole reason the Jedi “fall” is because they deny any aspects of the dark side, therefore being unable to understand it and use it constructively without letting it take them fully. Denying your shadows only allows them to eventually blindside you. This is why a balance with a grey Jedi code would be far more practical and just make work
The way I see it is light and dark don’t mean good or evil
And it doesn’t matter what side of the force you use As long as it’s used for the right reasons
@@ATalesTruth- Yes. Yes it does. This stupid lack of awareness of how caustic moral relativity is drives me insane.
The Dark Side is selfishness, uncontrolled passion and destructive impulses. It is EVIL full stop. It is a corrosive, insidious drug that consumes the user and drives them to worse things.
This is basically Buddhist or Taoist, theology & seeing as hollywood is into eastern mysticism and dualism. I can see this being a direction they'll take the films.
I wonder if they will bring Tython and it's moons Ashla & Bogun back in Episode IX. From the first moment I saw the mosaic of the Prime Jedi with black & white orbs at either side of the figure, that was my immediate hope. I understand that it may just have been Ying Yang imagery to depict balance in an easy visual way. But how incredible would it be if the planet that they find Sidious on is Tython, or even the dark moon Bogan! I know we see Rey, Kylo & co. with the DS ruins but if all signs are right pointing to Sidious being in the Unknown Regions, he clearly can't be on Endor. Also I realise that in Legends Tython is in the Deep Core, but I'd be alright with it being relocated to the Unknown Regions. This is probably all just a fantasy on my part but it would be pretty awesome 😁 xx
So neutrality is the best option to hold on the balance from what I understand.
A simple force user does not belong to either Jedi or sith. Examples? Ashoka and Ezra.
Yes! This idea of balance was the biggest thing in The Last Jedi that I loved. I really hope That they follow through on it in 9!
If you look at Luke Skywalker in the expanded universe. Luke was balance!
He was like Ravan, Luke went through the light and the dark to become who he is!
To me he was a grey jedi, but also the ultimate Jedi!😔✊
The Balance of the Force is needed greatly but some of the light and darkside is needed as well. If everything is balanced, their isnt gonna be much change in the galaxy at large.
If everything is fine, then everything is perfect, you don't fix what isn't broken
The thing is Luke was already an unconventional Jedi anyways. He already established many emotional ties before his Jedi training, so I would argue that this is something that's been growing in him since ep 4. And the dark side concepts of passion and power aren't necessarily bad things, they're just easily corruptible. In the same way the light side adheres to strict rules that forbid emotion, which is really detrimental for the health of the individual. I believe that Yoda accepting to teach Luke was also his willingness for Luke to reshape the Jedi order in a fashion that resembled the right balance balance of light and dark side concepts. That's why Quigon is one of my favorite characters. He realized the harm done by the the strict adherence to the light and the dangers of falling too deep into the dark side.
Well... stand too close to a light, staring into it too close and far too long and you tend to get blinded by it. Unable to see clearly anything else around you...
BUT move too far from it.. not maintaining that happy balance in between... and then lose your way.. stumbling through the Dark.. in some cases.. forever lost..
That's kinda the metaphor I've come to see this SW topic in for awhile now. Grey's the way to go. All the benefits an even most or all the powers of BOTH sides BUT limited or perhaps none of the limits and pitfalls of either neccesarily
Jokes aside though, I wonder what category Jedi Master Fay would have fallen under. On the surface she appears to be the purest of pure light siders, but she didn't adhere to any Jedi edicts or even the will of the council. She freely wandered the universe going where the force sent her - a force that is comprised of both light and dark. It was thought that the force kept her alive enterally even beyond the naturally longer life of her species, and she was a strong believer in the living force. I wonder if she was guided and maintained by the force in its totality, rather than just the supposed light?
"When u offer only 2 I'll offer 3!" - Roll Me Through the Gates of Hell by: Mischief Brew
This is why I am Grey. Balamce. Both Dark & Light.
Yep, it's all fun and games and cool theories until your eyes turn orange and your flesh starts sliding off your face.
The dark side is not evil. The use of the dark side is evil. The balance is the same as it is in the balance of yin and yang in daoism ☯. Yin is the darkside that needs to be received and accepted while the light is action. The yin is death for example and the yang is life. We must accept death but act in life. This is what Yoda was trying to teach Anakin in ROTS and something he came to understand in the Clone Wars Saga in his training by the Whils.
The Hubris Luke spoke about was the idea that both Jedi and Sith believed they owned thr Force rather than following its will. The Jedi rejected the Dark Side rather than accepting it and this led to their destruction. Instead they feared the Dark Side and thus sucumbed to it when they tried to overcome Sidious.
That video was fantastic, keep up the good work bud
What they're missing for a 100% accurate morality system is "chaotic dark" vs "lawful light", etc.
dont D&D star wars
100% accurate
What a great focus for the next 3 films: The Prime Jedi!
LOVE THIS ONE MAN!!! DO MORE on things from this book... it should give you content for MONTHS for CANON LOVERS like me!! haha
I always thought about this, that the most powerful force user would be one that is balance in both the light & dark side of the force, because both extremes can be bad, everything in excess can be bad, too much darkness can blind you just as too much light can blind you. Just imagine someone reaching Buddha level in the Star Wars Universe, he would be a beast!!!
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You have no knowledge of the Buddha or Taoism at all, right?
The Force is inherent balance
The Dark Side is inherent imbalance.
You cannot balance the two. It is internally inconsistent.
Kreia's teachings seam to be very Gray in KOTOR2. This did not stop her from falling to the dark side. I don't think true balance is possible. You cannot balance good with evil.
Well, Luke in Ep 9, "I am wrong". The End.
Donatello: Even master splinter did it he said only when you become one with nature can you master yourself.
Wisdom of shiva conciousness was about nonduality about beyond ...ying and yang light and dark shiva shakti balance in light and balance in dark ... But the movie didn't explain this theory but the narrator gives a good point of shiva
Utterly brilliant video!
in order to gain Balance a force user must find a way to stop the conflict of light and dark within themselves. could be risky if not done right.
Believe it or not, MOST people do this quite easily. That's why the dichotomy of all light vs all dark never made sense to me.
This philosophy was prominent on both Bakura and Suarbi in the Extended Universe books.
Great vid!!! Also, this way of viewing the force was hinted in Star Wars rebels. Ezra had abilities belonging to both sides and they had a powerful creature that did all that was balanced. So I naturally thought episode 8 would have more to say on this but sadly....
I wish to correct a misconception about the nature of the Force and balance. The concept 'Restore Balance to the Force' revolves around the destruction of the Sith. This has been stated by George Lucas himself, as meaning that restoring balance means the destruction of the Dark, and dominance of the light. The sith over course of thousands of years were never fully extinguished until Anakin fulfilled his destiny and restored balance to the Force by killing Sidious and redeeming himself. There is no third way.
WAIT,, does this means kids with no training are balanced from the start? This makes Rey even more of Mary Sue and justifies that she didn't train, wtf?????!!!!!
this is super idiotic if this is what becomes canon, because untrained kids would turn dark, not be balanced
hahahha crazy fool
She was already trained. How long you think she was on Jakku?
Grey is the path to balance.
i really hope future star wars movies follow, and elaborate on balance as well as you
Just like Ying and Yang, everything is balanced
Seeing the transformation of the jedi order in the sequels would have been so satisfying. If only Abrams had understood what you said here
A grey Jedi would see the wisdom in teaching people how to defend themselves since once Jedi are called away the people are defenseless.
Why do I feel this was so heavily wasted in both The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker?
Great video Star Wars Reading club keep up the great videos, Happy Holidays Star Wars Reading Club.
Sounds hell of a lot like Planet Mortis...Daughter as light side, Son as dark side, Father as balance
For those who crave the concept and are yet unaware, the 70% F2P game SWTOR provided awesome stuff especially for Light Side (more like Grey) Sith classes (focused around Ashara and to a lesser extent Jaesa in vanilla, then with Marr and Satele in Fallen Empire, but otherwise too)
This is what I dislike most about the new Star Wars trilogy. I was always in agreement with Lucas that balance was the absence (or destruction) of the dark side, taking a more buddhist philosophical approach. The idea that balance is the light and dark sides in harmony is more in line with Jungian principles, but I have never liked that view and it is one that Lucas also rejected.
Lmao, so you hate Legends as well? They both follow the same concept.
The problem, philosophically, is that if the "Balanced" side of the Force is the default nature of the Force, that would mean that its importance is based on its nature as a form of power rather than a world view. Like, the real world analogues would be stuff like the Middle Path or attaining Balance of Yin and Yang, which is supposed to take a lifetime (or possibly multiple lifetimes) of mediation, training, and philosophical studies so that one can understand how to identify and resist temptation.
Besides, as anyone who has dealt with kids can tell you, their default state is Dark Side, as they have to learn things like empathy and restraint.
It would have been nice to hear Luke discuss this more in depth than the Kantobyte scenes.
Yeah, that detour was entirely unnecessary. Not the least because getting to the hyperspace tracking device made entirely no difference.
To me the reason why the Jedi fail is because everyone and I do mean everyone has a dark side. And in certain cases darkness can be used for good..
There is no balance to the force, there is no force. Only The Mouse.
I mostly didn't like The Last Jedi, but it had some really cool moments.
"A prophecy, that misread could have been."
What if it was interpreted by someone biased.
“A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored.”
The chosen shall come, born of no father, and through them ultimate balance in the Force will be restored.
Using them as the thought:
Luke = The Father
Rey =The Daughter
Ben = The Son
Or
Anakin = The Father
Luke = The Son
Rey = The Daughter
A reflection of the force entities themselves, i think the first set fits best though.
I suggest watching the video the failure of the grey Jedi. It dives more into the challenges of finding balance in the force between the light and the dark and how people have this misconception that this is the key to bringing peace to the galaxy. When in actuality as long as the force is alive, there will always be conflict. keep in mind though if knights of the old republic is no longer canon then this wouldn't matter
The problem is that the light side IS balance in the force. The dark side is using the force to gain power, bending it to your will. The light side is allowing the force to guide you, to act as a conduit for it’s will.
Folks always say revan kept a balance, but did he really? He was a Jedi who disregarded orders like qui gon but was corrupted and turned against his will. He had his memory wiped and was retrained a Jedi and remained a Jedi. He switched sides both times unwillingly, so does it really count?
Now see, a dude named Revan learned this like 4 millennia ago, but it's not a story Disney would tell, and I hope they never will
Also...
*Jake Skywalker:* it's time we talk about the Force
*MaRey:* all right, what you wanna know?
R E V E N
W A S
R I G H T
There is no emotion, only peace!