The Struggles Of Being Independent vs Record Label Pains
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If you have the money & marketing skills to invest in yourself then you dont really need the label until you build that momentum to where youll be a priority
Lol I noticed your pic cuz I follow you on the gram 🔥🔥🔥 #DESIGNER
Very true
Truuu!
That’s facts right there
Warchyld is coming soon!!!!
“Some Artist don’t wanna risk five dollars on their career “ 😭
Was about to quote it in the comments.. 💀😂💀
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I'm a indie artist. I gotta do things myself. I even gotta get myself booked for shows. It's hard but i know it'll pay off
Casino Gotti keep it up man and things will pay off sometimes it takes longer than you thought but you will enjoy and appreciate the hard work when you make it without a label in your pocket.
It will and better outcome
I’m trying to not be too excited about how Philadelphia is about to be the center of attention with huge artists and styles that are gonna be able to transcend styles and staying relevant for generations with the camouflage styles and sick new designs and I just wanna say skinny jeans stay over in Europe cause gotta let them keep weird styles but camouflage is in and cool looking styles and hopefully I’ll start traveling again and see styles that are doing well in other areas but I’m central pa and there’s a lot of independent people and I found an app that can do anything an independent artist can have this app does it it relatively new you can sell videos songs merchandise event and concert tickets so you are gonna keep it all your self but I asked questions for my situation and wow it can do everything and they answer in detail
Keep up the grind and focus on building up steadily! You may not know it but your motivation for others around you! Good Shyt🤘🏿
MINK 9 thank u g I appreciate it
Plus record labels don't care about the quality of the music. They're simply factories
Amen
So true
The truth you have spoken
I don’t think that all Records Label can be retained to the sole image of a factory, this might have a similar side as a factory, but speaking for the whole general is extremely intrepid.
There’s a spirit, human’s thought behind the construction of a record labels, so an independent mind behind able to shape itself.
nope. They have to know if the music they're investing in is good. Good music = big money
I think if you have a good team and the money being independent is better, but if you are by yourself and dont have any idea of how the industry works, how to get shows blablabla getting signed is the way
Aka Rasta which is why 98% of successful artist are signed lmao being indie means you got an amazing team around you, and money, and niggas not rich, lmao they doing rap to get rich!!!! But if you sign to a good record label you’ll be ok, all the Legends are signed to a record label...
Not chance tho
Cameron X Hunter chance ain’t a legend 😂 he’s good but not a legend
@@stretchmercy4821 I'm not even gonna argue and waste my time
@@realtruth1448 R.A. made his own and is a legend though. Independent. Mega is independent legend. Tech. Etc.
Just started the grind last week and already have a song on 4k views and 120 likes on SoundCloud 😊
I think the ideal is finding a hybrid. An indie that can partner with a major. These situations are rare when it can make sense financially for the indie (they don't do a lot of 50/50 joint ventures anymore) but I'd say Russ and Lecrae are the examples in their situations with Columbia. Personally I've done business with a major but you're totally spot on about priority and resources. Working with another hybrid and trying to figure out how to make it make sense. Thanks for these videos Sean.
Ruslan KD agreed. Good to see you over here sir
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In my opinion signing a record deal without building your own HEAVY buzz/leverage isn’t smart at all. Independent’s biggest struggle is undoubtedly funding, other then that it’s definitely the way to go until you’re so big that you can merge and do a partnership deal where you retain control. Just my 2 cents. Another killer vid my man 🤘🏽
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Real shit I’m partners with a independent artist and it’s 3.5 years of hard work and stress and I honestly think we are about to blow up this summer!!!!
Damn this is the dude who died falling off the plane. RIP man.
Jon James | Recording Artist Rest in peace 🙏🏼
@@Patrick-de8qg wait seriously? That's why his last video is a year ago?
I'm indie, made my own record label and had to sign myself, can't wait on people #BlackBusiness
ericdprince1 like wise my brother I started my independent artist owned agency in 2014 now we have hybrid artist in Mex, Can, and Dubai www.ausoundagency.nyc
ericdprince1 so you pretty much have everything that a record company has if you were to get signed to them right? How do you do that? Like book your own shoes etc.....?
Amen
You read my mind
ericdprince1 are you looking for some new talent ?
Independent is always the way to go no matter how long it takes, great content as always keep it up!!!!
Marsellis what if you wanna do distribution deal with a label but still stay independent?
lol, me too
Exactly
I thought after uploading my music to Soundcloud and paying them monthly for "pro account" would bring at least some minimal promotion for my music. But I was wrong. The problem of an independent artist is a lack of money for promotion. How would people hear your music if there;'s no promotion. That's why artists want to get signed because the music label is providing the promotion for the artist.
You should follow the Russ strategy when your a nobody and have no connection you should post a song once a week and be making content to and as time goes people are going to be like who’s this person I keep seeing them they get curious and click on your cloud and realize damn you have a catalog of music good music quality and they become a fan and then the rest is history then you have the word of mouth your going to be ok his plan is genius especially if you don’t have connections the reason 1 week strategy works is because 1 week on the internet it like 1 month were so bombarded with so much information nowadays we forget so much stuff music included sometimes if your posting a song 1 month and your not growing that can be the reason why our attention span has shortened as time goes by
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Volume my friend, Volume
So basically you have to build up a decent amount of audience so that a good label approaches you with a decent offer and then you sign the contract for like a year or two and then when the record label makes you famous enough and after you are dropping hits after hits you should just go independent!!
CLASH ROYALE TV depends on the record label deal that's the person gets, it may be 5 albums the record label made want out of the artist. They got to recoup the money they got from the advance, if they don't recoup every song they make they will dip in that money until the full amount is recouped
Tory lanes DID this!
but doesn't the record label own your music. like if you leave the record label they still have rights to your music
@@narayastarks yes that's true.
@@narayastarks no not if you own your masters
I’m a signed artist on Universal Music Group and I can attest to everything you’ve said from being independent versus signed. Good work, man
So what would you recommend being independent or signing
Whts ur artist name ?
@@leongxchx904 😂😂😂
Drake fake account?
Nigga what’s ur name
Yep im independent i own my own label and a ARTIST all under same thing independent i put 10000 of my own saved up money to get my own label now serve n OBEY entrainment is here
THE Offical Page Of Joey Savage SERVE N OBEY respects but a year later and you still not doing shit.
Shit sign me 😂
So are u rich yet
I love and respect myself too much to sign myself to someone else's label. Independence or death is my motto.
signed artists tend to get more respect from media platforms so it's easier to get say complex to post about you on their blogs. unsigned artists usually get taken advantage of like world star charging unsigned acts $750 to 8k to post a video.
Then find a partner who has media leverage for example an attorney or accountant or manager dealing with advertising accounts for others then they will have established connections and leverage to get you on with a reasonable deal. And incentivized this partner of yours to benefit from pulling their strings
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Why do record labels always postponed artists music ? Is it all cuz of the licensing and legal works that takes long ?
Grind on your own you don't need a label
I'm on that Independent Route🔥💯👍💎🌟
Litty
I feel like coming from being an independent your vision and drive is what makes you. If you can conquer the politics of these record companies then you might as well run for office at some point in your life. Same shit. Being independent revolves around your hustle as a artist. Some people have neither. No political influence at the label and no hustle in the streets. Your character is your success. Period.
777mello Well fucking said! I wonder why so many artist choose the labels knowing they will lose according to many sources out.
Don’t sell your soul
Never my soul is with The Lord
@@nateyarbrough4515 amen
@@nateyarbrough4515 bruh 😂
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@ྊ soul isnt a thing its just a paper you sign to get famous and and the cost is you will make them Quality Music and they can take most of your money
No matter how you slice it, It all comes down to whether you got talent or nah.💀💀💀
Never sign with the record label 👹 & never waste your time with the mainstream artists, remain independent ✌️
this is a dope video :)
I love being indie. The fact that I have artistic and creative control. I own my own publishing and licensing rights. I own my masters. And I control the budget. And I can make a whole lot of money without selling a lot of records
Big cappin
How do u make money???? Help
@@JustMe-ql9li It's not cap, indie's make more than major label artists lmaooooo
@@snixcjane1367 no they dont buddy
@@JustMe-ql9li They do, artists are in debt more than anything. Where you been ?
The signed artists sells their soul to the devil and gets a easier way into it and ends up regretting it later on in life, and the independent upcoming artists works hard and their success is more meaningful. They can have the freedom to do as they please. Guys don’t be another pawn to the industry! Have yourself and a hardworking team, dont sell yourselves to the devil
It's not even real what they meam by that is selling their life away to the white man
I'm already signed 😢
Bro, oh my god you just essentially told the story of what the label I signed too did to me and am still continuing to struggle with, although I am one of two artists this label has signed, they proved to not only show me that they were already looking for "better" talent which essentially just meant an artist with a larger social media following, disenfranchised a huge part of my name/brand by essentially trying to recreate me into something I just wasn't, when I wouldn't agree with on going situations and wanted to steer the direction of where my art was going I was threatened, talked down too as if I merely just a child, ghosted for nearly over a month alongside halting the release of the current song I had wanted to drop until I basically fully gave my manager the creative control of what I'm doing over to him which he then continued to shit on the years of work I have put in to create a genuine vibe for people. Like you said, from them it was all love at the beginning, but as soon as I had something to say, there wasn't too much negotiating allowed. Let alone, this is a bullshit dumb tech label that claims to be something there completely not as far as what I'm concerned.
They took my personal marketing advice as bullshit when I had seen genuine success with it, I had a decent reach within my socials at the time and I could feel the energy I created was being loved from more than just a local scale as an independent artist, I had personally started to network with what I felt was a niche scene with a cult like following and was really just on the brink of doing something great from my perspective on my own, at the time of originally signing, I had 7,000+ monthly listeners on Spotify with only about 6 songs available with more of my discography being on SoundCloud, originally before I had signed and what I always wanted to do through my partnership with the label was to release my most popular songs out of the 90 tracks I have on SoundCloud, of course work on new singles, make investments towards music videos, graphic designers that I would help find and hire to create an aesthetic that fits my brand, and basically as soon as I signed and was flown out, I was told that isn't going to be happening, I'm going to do what I'm told and be thankful that I have the opportunity to work with them, I could go on about this but I would just like to mainly note that as far as marketing went, they'd spam message my closest friends/artists who actively support me about my new music releasing, essentially slandering any artists work who I associated with wasn't signed like they were some hot shots compared to people with good work whether it be TH-cam skits, music, cover art ext. They did what they could to basically budget any artwork they could working with animators who couldn't understand where I wanted the artistic direction to go, weren't going to purchase the rights of beats made by certain producers, wouldn't allow me to personally be in control of the distribution of my work when that originally was the plan, and last but not least, after not spending money on the quality of my work, they would throw thousands of dollars into Google Ads after I specifically said that wasn't the direction I think we should go with music non the less anything associated with me, since firing my manager but still being clung to a publishing contract that they hold over me with a lot of hostility, I'm currently at 41 Spotify Followers right now and was barley over that when working with them. Some die hard fans that I am extremely thankful to have continue to support me, but I just feel like the main reason I lost alot of reach is due to their marketing fucking up my natural growing algorithm alongside some people loosing interest over the fact that I was rebranding in a way I never wanted too in the beginning.
As an artist to another that is considering signing, DON'T. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND LEARN HOW TO BE AN INDEPENDENT ARTIST. FUCK THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMEBODY TAKE CONTROL OF YOU, YOUR WORK, THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR CAREER, AND WAAAAYYY MORE. THE FUCKERY NEVER ENDS WITH RECORD LABELS IN GENERAL.
Just wanted to note that I have officially had those contracts terminated and have been releasing music again within my own control, back to about 463 Monthly Listeners, am already seeing their mistakes unravel! Very thankful to be back in the indie game once again !
@@arongubbejust read through this and I think this was enough to guide my decision to be an indie artist. I would never want to have others take money that’s mine or screw up my market/brand, and worst of all for them to control my creative direction. This comment was really helpful for me, thank you man. I’m glad to hear you got it terminated and are in control again!
Guys, I think ima give my soul
To the lord almighty. Can a get an Amen !!!!!!!!
Amen
Amen
Amen😄
Amen
Not today
Ugh the struggle is so real right now for me, especially trying to do everything by myself.
A rapper is prob watching this
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2.) get registered DBA
3.get your stuff copyrighted
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YES! trademark over DBA tho, holding both is beautiful. & sole proprietor is fine too.
Thank You. BrandMan!
Thanks for making these videos.
Please may you make video about the best independent record label to sign to
AALAN that will be interesting, may I ask are you trying to get signed?
EOne
Subjective.. Two artist can have very different experiences at the same company..
@ltmentertainmentllc on ig
If you need more money - stay independent
If you need a great fame - sign record label
Thanks for this info! I’m the new biggest independent artist!
Great video BrandMan. We're going to send some of our artists here to learn from you!
Super dope video. Thanks.
Excellent video man! Very instructive!
There are a lot of different opinions about whether or not getting signed is worth it. I want to be signed, but I don't want to lose all my money to a label because they want 80% of my royalties and every penny they give me, I have to give back somehow. Being independent is too difficult for me because I would have to get a job in order to finance my music and I have little connections.
The label you want to sign to had to do the work you are describing as difficult, that's why they ask for all those demands. Essentially do you wanna be a boss? If so, then do you want your Licks upfront or on the back end?
Embrace what you must for your legacy.
Great vid!! I always wondered the ups and downs of each.
Makes better sense to be the back bone of your music careers growth. It’ll be all worth the while. Lessons to be learned. Trials of tribulation while chasing success. And once it all pays off. Boom 💥You have YOU to thank 🙏
Great points, thanks for sharing 😊
love your content keep up the great work💯
After your excellent opener I liked and subscribed. I can tell you're passionate keep it up man!!!
Great video keep it up!!!
this is very helpful and understanding, thank u
Another great video once again
another great video on marketing yourself as a musician and artist
5dollars is actually 500 in my country
Drop addy
@@lyrics2challenged 😂
love ur videos man, ur awesome
Thank you bro
great video I used this for a source in a writing paper good looks.
Thanx man, I just subbed.
I have a band. No idea how to do the busness though. Feeling powerless.
Thanx
Marc :)
I had a phone call from universal records Tuesday morning. The guy tells me it universal records etc... My response was, I get these phone calls everyday so idk If this is real or not. His response to me is, it doesn't sound like your happy. bye!!! Then he waits for me to hang up. That was my first real call from a record label ever.
A&Rs are weirdos
Well said.
600k on a song? Where did he invest all that money in?
Best content on TH-cam rn.
I feel like record labels are great for a new artists because they can build a great fan base and audience and when they reach a peak then they could then become independent. One day when I get equipment to become an EDM artist I hope to one day I could join a good label to build an audience and fan base and then maybe become independent over time 😊 I hope I could end up with Monstercat because I love the other artists on there and I would love to collabs with the artist on there once I learn how to make music and have the equipment obviously 😁
Stop with the fake image that any and anybody who signs to a label, automatically blows up… it’s not true 🤷🏿♂️
Trust and get behind and ,my son's FORREAL
Hey Brandman, can you talk about Big Shaq's rise to fame?
Im a independent artist at the moment but I still need help to know how to make shows and find the right people to guide me and help me
Subscribed 💯
I am trying soo hard to be noticed... But im not saying ima stop trying lol yall gon see me on the MTV music awards as the Top R&B female artist. Ima drop my own music very soon as I been working on alot of songs this summer. 💅🎼🎧🎤
This inspired me to create my channel/record label
The worst thing for me in being signed to a label was the LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, the unfounded promises, and the waste of resources that should have been spent on promo
Kate Grealy Could you elaborate more please, like what made you sign, how long were you sign, what was the end result, what would/are you doing different now.
@@DavidBrown-dh7jf unfounded promises made me sign but. A. I was too young and didn't understand much. B. They didn't have the skills to market me (which was good as I learned to market myself). The thing to be most careful of is this: they maximised my studio time so I OWED THEM MORE MONEY. so be careful of that. I left music for a while after that as I realised it was safer to get a job and stand on my own two feet and fund my own career rather than be exploited. I'd enter into a deal now as I'm better at negotiation now and I know how to market and I know when people are talking shit too haha
Kate Grealy I appreciate you for responding and your honesty, I am a artist, conscious rapper. I am building my foundation from the ground up. I love you're voice and would like to work with you one day.
Because of you're story and many others I will not sign to a major, but I will try to create a buzz, leverage ect to my advantage.
@@DavidBrown-dh7jf hey thank you. Let's connect on social media and keep in touch my twitter is @kategrealy and my insta is @kate.grealy.riadi
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LOOKS LIKE THE BIG KRIT INTERVIEW HAS BEEN REMOVED WHICH MEANS THEY HAD SOME REALLY GOOOD INFORMATION. PLEASE TALK ABOUT THAT SHT SOME MORE
You are an ANGEL!
Good video now my question is for independent artist, what marketing do they use in replace of what a record label can do to push the song out there to get the traction it needs? Who would know the true answer to that question.
Social media, I think.
social media is ur label
Queen Harmony no one pays attention to nobodies. you have to have a check mark on your socials to get attraction. or get put on. if you don't have that shit then its no happening. niggas get famous from soul selling to getting fucked in the ass for a deal. if you ain't down with that than you gotta be better than 95% of these rappers to even build your own name. if you are as good or a little amateur you ain't gonna be shit. on everything.
this is the best video ive ever watched
aye bro I need to know how to run my label, do you ever do any video chats? I've got some questions i need answers too
Markering is probably the hardest
Some people don’t wanna risk five dollars on there career....OMG LAUGHING OUT LOUD
Strong and smart we really need you😃. 😂😂💀💀
DIS TRUE
If I ever sign the most I’ll do is 3 years definitely no 360 deals
So what do u think of a independent artist signing to a independent label is there any profit or momentum in that?
Im with mirror records i like it
I can't help but to imagine that as technology advances, being an independent artist will get easier.
this dude "Terex Dada" on youtube gave a nice explanation of indie and major labels and some good singing tips
he's right
hey do king lil g. hes very interesting cuz he doesnt have a deal or manager and is constantly touring the world. Hes super successful even though he has alot of appeal and hes relatable.
did everyday stuggle take the video down?
I signed Myself
Who can manage or help with negotiating the deal?
PleyTheGreat was here
600k on what!!!! Breakdown?
I think the biggest struggle for independents is marketing and promotion outside of social media. Getting played on the radio.
1:14 what does it mean to be red shirted ?
MiKEY SANZ being benched/ not playing.
Ima stay indie. It’s a grind but it’s gonna pay off
Every artist wants to be as big as a certain a rap artist who i won't mention.
Start merging.
Where are subtitles? I can't understand much
so what r u suggesting??
so u think we should be independent or recorded
I.m a independent producer cause even we can't make our own style of beats
But I have a question can I become famous first to get it
Yo asses, wussup wussup, its that lil ole girl out the "dirty dirty"