Can Confucianism Save the World? Reflections by Three Contemporary Political Thinkers
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- Confucianism has recently become quite prominent again in China, and has never ceased to be prominent in many other countries. Some of its most distinguished advocates have in recent years produced highly insightful works intended for the modern world. Has the time come for a large-scale reception of Confucianism at the global stage? World leaders have enormous difficulties to cooperate in order to solve global problems with the ever increasing technological abilities we have at hand. So we must ask: Can Confucianism save the world? The three political philosophers on this panel are Bai Tongdong, Daniel Bell and Joseph Chan. They develop Confucianism in rather different ways, and the purpose of this panel is to explore how they do that, and how they respectively think Confucianism may save the world. The panel is moderated by a fourth political philosopher, Mathias Risse.
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Public Lecture
Can Confucianism Save the World? Reflections by Three Contemporary Political Thinkers
Speakers:
Prof Daniel A. Bell, Professor of Ethics and Political Philosophy; Director of the Center for International and Comparative Political Philosophy, Tsinghua University;
Prof Joseph Chan, Professor in the Deparment of Politics and Public Administration, University of Hong Kong;
Prof Tongdong Bai, Dongfang Chair Professor of Philosophy, Fudan University
Date: Thursday, 15 May 2014
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This was an inspiring presentation. China embodies Confucianism, will save the world.
The COVID-19 Crisis will throw the spotlight on in Asian, on why both the public has co-operated with Govt to deal with the crisis in comparison with the situations in Europe and United States. It highlights how civilisations evolve and survive.
Mao.killed..three.hundred
Students.that.wanted.to.
Spread.the.idea.of.democracy.in.china.mao.thaughts
Is.simular.to.what.the.spaking.ot.china.has.a.university
In.u.s.a.confucious.to.be
Able.to.learn.this.you
Must.erridicate.democAritic
Thinking.read.mao..little
Red.for.starters.it.is.easer
For.colonis.people.but.u.s.a
Citizens.democratic.mind
Will.hAve.a.big.tranformation.to.be.moral.and.rightious
Is.not.in.their.nsture.it.will
Take.A.generation.to.make
That.moral.change.start.now.by.folling.china.agender..
Not clear what you write...
A synthesis of East west wisdom is
a cornerstone for lasting world peace and prosperity...
I wish it will be able to materialize...
The collective West is trash!
confucian is a great sage
he realized that law is useless tool for maintaining stability.
he disagree with legalist view that law backed by punishment was effective
see what happen in areas where social order broke down, authorities been powerless, lack of law enforcement
the rise of violation of law
because people follow the law because they are afraid of punishment
once punishment cant been delivered, then whole legal system has broke down.
this led to rise of crime.
Confucius, - "Guide the people with edicts, keep them in line with punishments, then the people will stay out of trouble but will have no sense of shame. Guide the people with virtue, keep them in line with the rites (proper conduct), then besides having a sense of shame the people will reform themselves."
"Keep Them in Line".
Ironically, China became a legalist state that codified Confucian values into law, which leads to this gem:
If a son does not rat on his father's crimes, he shall receive the same punishment to one lesser degree for being an accessory to the crime.
If a son does rat on his father, he shall receive the same punishment to one greater degree, for disobeying Confucian values and violating filial piety.
Very true, lead by example…
Confucius is ingrained in all of us and other world knowledge, I seemed to know Confucius as a very young child. Cross-referencjng philosophy we learn many philosophical thinking ad we grow, because we are a multicultural country and have been conditioned as a species for thousands of years we all take on board many ideas of old world veiws. Evolution of the human consciousness. 💚
Some important Confuciani concepts are restraint, modesty and humility as we seek knowledge and wisdom trying to become morally good caring people . The introductory speaker appears not to give much credence to this wonderful way to live, Oh that our leaders followed Confucian ideas of personal deveopement.
Ironically, many of those who aspire to be politician crave for power, fame or money. So, from the very beginning, they are fuelled by ambition instead of morality. Modesty and humility are jokes for them.
Why do you three Doctors keep putting political things in connection with Confucius Ideas ? That's wrong direction already . Confucius Ideas can save the mean mindset from people's greed around the society , the world , or the country ,but his ideas don't mean to increase one's political power and position .
100% pure democracy, as said by Americans themselves, is dangerous. Such democracy may work for the western societies but may not for Asian societies. One has to take into account the Asian histories spanning thousands of years and their cultures. Take China for example, central government has worked very well for them since ancient days.
Which educated constitutional American advocates pure democracy?
Democracy is foolishness, men are not created equal. Those qualified to lead are obligated to comply as a sense of duty, not to feed one's personal gain and vanity.
Japan, Korea. ....
Depends on how you define 'democracy'. Does it count as democracy to say that the people come before the ruler and have the right to give a rotten ruler the boot? (Mencius, the Saint Paul of Confucianism, said that in his work.)
Even the USA was not purely democratic at her beginning. It was only white men who were allowed to participate. No women, no black slaves. Gradually, as the society became more educated, more prosperous and more egalitarian, those groups were allowed to participate too.
Just imagine what will be the result when ‘one patient one vote for choosing the head of a hospital’?
In a way, moralistic governments are more tyrannical than legalistic ones, because in 1984, at least those few cubic centimeters inside your head belonged to you. In a moralistic government, not even a wrong thought can be thought.
Depending on where you stand, that's either utopia or dystopia.
Good to hear Daniel touches it.....capitalism with its individual preference but waiting to see if he makes any connection at all
why confucian is great
1.people follow the law because people are afraid of punishment - such teaching is wrong, unhealthy
2. people follow the law because they know what is proper conduct, what is improper conduct
3. when people break the law because they feel shame on your behavior.
such shame (sense of guilt) led them to rectify their wrong behavior and go back to proper conduct.
for instance,
muslim dont eat pork because of " the shame " ( sense of guilt )for not following their religion.
muslim dont eat pork not because law say so and backed with punishment
moral obligation works much better than " legal obligation.
in event of social disorder, govt has collapse, disaster happen, or lack of enforcement, law is useless because no " punishment"
but moral obligation would make them to be " mindful of their behavior at all times even if there are no authorities, no law". no punishment because of " shame " or knowledge about what is proper conduct.
As Confucius said, "Guide the people with edicts, keep them in line with punishments then the people will stay out of trouble but will have no sense of shame. Guide the people with virtue, keep them in line with the rites (proper conduct) then besides having a sense of shame they will reform themselves." This is logical since we cannot legislate Morality. It is an unwritten law that is "imperceptible, yet irresistible". China and the Soviet Union under the Bolsheviks are Gov'ts of personalities rather than rules and in this aspect HONOR must exist among its Leaders.
@@alana295 Unfortunately, Chinese everywhere are typically driven by fear of punishment (government sanction, bad luck, punishment from gods or ancestors) rather than respect and morality.
I think diversity is a beautiful and interesting way to live.... the reason why conflicts happen is because of lack of global knowledge and solutions for earths suffering! 🌎 Minimalism mindfulness interconnectedness of all beings. Humanity needs to give back to the earth, the earth needs compassion the earth needs feeding back, humanity has been taking earths evolution, the evolution that made possible for life on earth. It doesn't matter if humanity conform to the moments rules or not! It's those who lead that need to educate their citizens about the destruction of the earths evolutionary layers! Oil and gas are nessersery layers that earth needs herself. Just like all life that grew from earths energy and matter. If you destroy the layers of the human skin from the inside out and the outside we would die. Earths crust needs rebuilding internally and externally. If humanity takes care of the health of the planet then the mental health of humanity will improve too. Abusing earth our first mother is Abusing all life including ourselves.
56:16 moderator says "the problem took care of itself" ... this comment has not aged well at all
Morality leads to immortality
This HK guy has not read Scmidtt. He is so screwed with his thought. And he dares to give suggestions. I can see him as a radical HK protester. This was 2014 not sure If I am correct
Is liberal democracy not failing us
If you can absorb Confucianism ethics, you will not be drawn into confusionism tactics....
SAB SE AAGEY HONGE HINDUSTANI YEH BAAT HAI SAB NE MAANI
Funny this introductory guy said "confusion thought not confucian thoughts
Best thinker here is Prof Chan. Someone needs to tell the Fudan Prof how to dress like a scholar.
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you don't know sh1t.
The Republic of Plato is in essence 王道，had the same objective of Confusion. Their difference the former rely on the rule of philosophy king, the later focus on 內圣外王，修齐治平以中和天下。和而不同之奧，在于以道相合，理一分殊，大同而治。故其成不仅在于圣贤之治，理事双融；且在于教化天下贤其贤、亲其亲，天堂在人间。其质在合the Son of God (天子）与 Son of Man 为一。此天人合一，自能成己成物，己、家、国、天下和而不同，individualism 与 universalism 并行不悖。美中各偏一极故能相融，只此相融須由「修悟內来，非外构可成」。
There is a huge difference between capitalism & democracy and socialism & democracy. One shouldn't debate over democracy but together with the economic system and structure. The introductory guy is too infused with western thought and thinking.
Confucius thinking to behave in the society. It is not a politics. There is no development of Confucius thinking. It is 2000 old stuff and limited relevance to How and What China is China Today. In ancient time, ruling class is the law. Law is tool used by the ruling class. The fundamental difference is if the law becomes independent item of politics, China will be more healthier, efficient and predictable. That is the missing link between China and West. Whether there is Western Democracy or Chinese Democracy, are less important
Is China not a people's democratic Republic influenced by Lord Buddha and Confidential
American Exceptionalism (I call it Americanism by bombs) is the worse example of monotheistic doctrine/ideology.
Love and true are both gratuitous or are lies... in all the world. Business are "legal fictions" all around the globe.
Confucianism been in existence for 10000 years bro but it has only affect Asia especially China and.all it does is make the people weak
again this HK political guy is misinterpreting. he has no idea of economic system and how democracy and liberal ideas survive and further in capitalism.
what Chinese is wrong, is on there is no ruling class in the West Democracy because multi parties and limited terms. Chinese is still in feudal era. He cannot understand, after feudal era, there is no need for ruling class. Because, there is law! Law is not absolute, but it improves incrementally and made by people.
Buddhism or Vedanta would do the job. Confucianism is new, and not as philosophical or thought provoking as Vedic Indian thought vis a vis Oriental thought.
Yeah, Bring in the Caste System and Reincarnation to Dehumanize People. That will solve the Problem.
Confucianism tried to save china at the beginning of the modern era.. But it failed..
The problem with confucianism is that it doesn't present technical or ideological details for how to deal with problems.
It's wisdom is too general, and contingent.
It may work as a reference for morality.. but not Political theory.
Even his political theory was based mostly on relationships, hairachy, and the importance of cultural integrity.
Nothing more..
Sorry
Confucianism principles sounds great, but at the same time it sounds utopic and naive. People are not as noble as what Confucius thought. As a result it became a tool for tyrannical rulers to subdue their people.
In my view, it cannot encompass Morality as Well.
Morality is an extremely dynamic concept. Any Command Theory is therefore destined to fail with the passing of Time.
(Not to Forget Morality is a Very Complex Thing with Every Society (at any given time) having a Seperate Acceptable Code of Behavior that Keeps on Changing Ceaselessly.)
Confucianism lays down the base for governance where emperors, generals, magistrates, presidents, etc. extrapolate from. It is ethical, humanistic, philosophical. There is no god, only "tian" which can be loosely defined as the sky, the heaven, the cosmos, some kinda force, energy. It is unlike the US Constitution where the rules are stipulated in details, and still has so many flaws. Confucianism contrasts greatly with European gods based, religion based, rules based mindset, with a imaginary all knowing humanlike being that exists somewhere in the "void", and is the "guide" for governance and social rules, norms according to the power that be's interpretation. Europeans impose their beliefs on others, because their god is infallible. This is the root cause of thousands of years of wars. The feud between Catholics and protestants is one example.
@@fredtan1506 actually the concept of tian is a very monotheistic concept..
It's not just "sky".. k~
It's Philosophy actually gives it as much agency/ concern for moral/ political issues as the Abrahamic God has.
The only difference is that you don't have a prescription tian recommends you follow that's assigned..
(Though technically you do, and that's part what confucianism is indirectly all about. With the idea of keeping your mandate of heaven)
The Abrahamic God is no guy floating in a void. There's supposed to be nothing like him, and you're not supposed to imagine him/ comprehend what he's like.
The only reason he is depected the way you described Is because roman pagans, and their descendants (christians) anthropomorphize God..
And because unlike the chinese angel of deal with tian that doesn't speak through people to explain it's will.. the Abrahamic God didnt leave that to Philosophy alone.
So, people imagine him as a more proactive agent.. Like us..
The reason for wars is not Monotheism.. it's ignorance, and people having not gotten (ironically) the Philosophical dimension of it.
We both (east and west) ought to combine our strong points, and perfect Monotheism..
The providence of God..
Not men ✓
That's the whole point of the heavenly mandate/ sharia/ mitzvah anyway.
God bless
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Changing within legacy~
Evolving..
Not becoming different all together..
You can actually give moral commands..
You just need to learn how to hold onto them properly, and exercise some trust Worthy evolution, instead of turning morality into rituals.
Confucianisme ? Non merci !!
Also, a couple of worth reading article links about Asian perspectives on equality, human rights, harmony, and survival are cited below.
a) In general, the Western concept of human rights is more legalistic while the Eastern concept of equality is more humanistic.
Please click on
drive.google.com/file/d/0By0NMmouQAi8TnAtWmljZXJOcUE/view?usp=drivesdk&resourcekey=0-tJw84LKmgi32ffW_tmKkEw
b) The axiological assumption for an Asiacentric paradigm is that harmony is vital to the survival of everyone and everything.
Please click on
drive.google.com/file/d/1wt4Wsr59NK4oYPqNRdur1r7c56KgLyPe/view?usp=drivesdk
Has Chairman Mao known that someone wants Confucian to save the world? 🤣🤣🤣
Without democracy and legislation, morality is useless. Do you know what happened in Confucius' home? All Confucius temples were demolished and Confucius was badly condemned during the cultural revolution period? What a joke to have Confucius save the world? 😂😂😂
Save mainlanders mentality first!
Confucius institute? One of the tools/united front work department of CCP. 统战部们...
Americanist NED and George Soros 'Open Society' are cultural genocidal organisations, the tools of Americanist war criminal neocons.
Does Daniel A Bell even know what he is talking about? Yes voters make mistakes but at least voters learn from their mistakes the second time. Slowly you get a more mature democracy and more intelligent voters. In a authoritarian government people never learned to think on their own and hence never really mature.
+Chen 陈, Xiao 晓 Americans voted for George Bush twice we certainly didnt learn from mistakes
+John Kenney It's nearly impossible to kick an incumbent out of office, which is why we have term limits for the President: if we didn't, it would basically become a lifelong appointment (or at least, an appointment until the President gets tired of being President and stops running). This is also largely why Congress is the way it is: there are no term limits, so we get the same people in office for decades on end. The reason incumbents are so difficult to defeat is just that humans (not just Americans) fear and distrust change, and tend to take an attitude of "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" when voting for government officials.
All this is to say that I don't think the fact that we didn't manage to kick George Bush out after his first term is a particularly strong argument against democracy in general.
im from costa rica...and weve been making mistakes for the past 100 years. we elect a president, 2 months later, we are bashing at him.
Bob Chen .
Well SAID.
It is probably true...in an educated and intelligent society. Unfortunately, some people are not intelligent enough to learn. Some even don't really care to find a way to get proper information.
Actually Confucius was a very evil guy.
Sure! ..his philosophical teachings, emphasized personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice, kindness, and sincerity LOL! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius