Very powerful. As you brought out, the main issue with their process is, you can't say that God guided you to an understanding and then years later discard that understanding for a new one. In the vernacular, it's a mind screwing. They are good with words, one of which is "adjustment". The vast majority of the changes are not adjustments, but wholesale changes. It's like a radio dial. When you get static, it would not be an adjustment to throw the radio in the trash and buy a new one. An adjustment would be a tiny twist of the dial.
Even in the Bible it states that the Law and the priesthood CHANGED. so it is not just a tiny adjustment. Hebrews 7:12 For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You're comparing apples and oranges. Going from the old covenant to the new is a systemic change. To compare it to the WT changes is ridiculous.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Wow. Massively out of context DC, but not surprising. Your Biblical ignorance is matched only by your ignorance about what your religion actually teaches on the subject. The Law and Priesthood wasn't changed. It was REPLACED. Had you actually read the context of Hebrews ch. 7, you'd know that. But, we know JWs don't have to read the Bible in order to arrive at their beliefs, right, MR DC?
excellent..thank you.. very well researched and rational... they don't claim to be infallible or inspired but they expect to be treated like they are...
How gets brigher? In Luke 20 Jesus spoke about the Father quoting Exodus 3:4,6 and the Father gave his name to Moses in that chapter: Luke 20:37 Jesus said [quoting Exodus 3]: But that the dead are raised up, even Moses made known in the account about the THORNBUSH, when he calls Jehovah "the LORD" ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ 38 He.. is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to HIM Exodus 3:4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the THORNBUSH and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.” (..) 6 He went on to say: “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at THE TRUE GOD. John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Hello Siouxe, just wondering if you used to be a JW in Mazatlan. My fleshly brother lived there as a pioneer for many years and I wonder if you had crossed paths.
Jesus is shining a spotlight on their actions. The GB keeps having the opportunity to come clean and fess up that they're fakers, but it's just like Achan, who even though he could see he was going to be found out, kept trying to hide his bad deed. Thank you for making this video! "Let the light shine!"😊
@@ucanliv4ever yes. The account said they all came to a unanimous accord. Whether they achieved this by voting is not specified. The point is they did not have to set the matter aside and come back perhaps years later because some felt uncomfortable or were unsure of God’s direction
It sounde like the GB is not INSPIRED but is a big CONSPIRASY. I can hardlly wait to see what they need to change to in an attempt to keep their numbers.
It was the talk by Jeffrey Winder that sealed it for me and I walked away. Especially after he said "We make mistakes. We are not infallible. We get it wrong sometimes but will never apologize". That was it for me. I have known this org as the Truth since 1972. The religion today bears no resemblance to the religion I converted to back then. What I found intriguing, was the October broadcast started with "how Jehovah ALWAYS warns before he acts". Kenneth Cook JR went to great lengths to explain how Jehovah warned the earths inhabitants prior to the flood and how he warned the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding cities before he burned them alive. Then within the same month at the AGM David Splane said exactly the opposite, that Jehovah through Noah, couldn't possibly have warned the earths inhabitants prior to the flood. He was too busy building the Ark. A conservative estimate that earths population would have been over a million plus, before Jehovah in his love and compassion, drowned them, men, women, children and infants along with millions of animals without notice. I then researched again Matt 24:39 in the NWT where it says "They took no note until the flood came and swept them all away". But the NWT is the ONLY Bible that says that. Not even the Greek Interlinear says they "took no note". Every Bible and every interlinear says "They DID NOT KNOW". Finally the gb have admitted they lied all these years to try and prod us to preach with urgency. David Splane said that those people did not know. He also said multiple times that the governing body "did not know" the answer to many questions. But still they expect 8 million plus people to follow them blindly and without question? Then Splane says that this compassionate, merciful, loving God who's heart bleeds when we suffer, decided to burn alive the inhabitants of several cities, men, women and children and infants plus animals numbering thousands, without warning because he saw fit to sweep them all away. Don't the gb communicate with each other? How could they teach two diametrically opposite thoughts within days? But they make no apologies. They never apologized for 1975. They blamed the brothers and sisters themselves and they're still doing it now. Look at the latest video of the brother and sister who are burned out because they've missed out on having children and allowed life to pass them by while waiting for Armageddon. Then the old brother who still has to work to survive and who's wife left him because of the gb's failed prophecy in 1975 and is probably very happy while he's struggling with an aging body and still having to do manual labor. Sadly the gb has replaced Jesus as the mediator between God and men while the name Jehovah has become synonymous with the organization. Leave the organization is leaving Jehovah. Listen how much praise the brothers now heap upon the gb. They even mention them in their prayers. Sadly more so now than ever before, Jehovah's Witnesses are following men. One major thing I notice now is when there's "nu lite" it's no longer proved by the Bible, it's just "The governing body has decided". Another proof of following men.
I was just watching that Oct '23 broadcasting episode to confirm what I remembered about the timing right befor the Annual Meeting declarations. They changed in one week? I quote J. Winder's words (subtlely to PIMIs) from that talk hoping that something clicks. I am 5th generation, ex-elder (11years) and a fading-PIMO (to keep some freinds) with a PIMQ wife so I completely understand from where you come. What will the 2024 Annual Meeting bring? We live in interesting times... Rudy
The concept of the leadership of the WT org being chosen by JC as the F&DS is a purely DOCTRINAL position adopted by that organisation . If they have admitted they can err on doctrinal matters, why is it that the only doctrinal matter that it is impossible for them to err in is their claim and evaluation to be the F&DS🤔🤔??? Why is it that any doctrinal utterance and understanding thereafter , they can be excused for doctrinal error apart from the doctrinal understanding that they are the F&DS
If they are not inspired and can err how can we know Jesus chose them? With their track record of interpretive errors since the 1870’s, we cannot trust their interpretation of Matthew 25:45-47 and accept that as proof. (John 5:31)
I only just realized also why David Splane came up with the change in meaning of the word generation in 2015. The WT always said that the heavenly calling closed in 1931 then changed it to 1935 and that if any were selected after that date it would be a rare occurrence and perhaps an odd one had proved unfaithful and needed to be replaced. That replacement would generally be someone who had served Jehovah a long time and was mature. The only ones selected to serve on the governing body which became the F&DS would be members of that group of anointed. Over the years the Society insisted that 1935 was the closing date and any coming "into the truth" after that date were members of the great crowd with an earthly hope. To explain why many in their 20's were suddenly began claiming to be of the remnant of the 144,000 particularly from the 1980's, the WT stated that perhaps they were mentally sick or were a left over from their previously held beliefs when they were in Christendom. Today none of the present day GB were born prior to 1935. Winder and Fleagle etc had to be among the mentally sick 20 year olds at that time they started to partake. None of the present day GB match the criteria to be truly anointed unless they were replacing unfaithful older members of the remnant. Again they wouldn't have matched the WT's criteria as someone who was older and mature spiritually at the time they began to partake of the emblems. So David Splane had to think fast. How can the present day members of the GB claim to be anointed when it closed in 1935 and not be a mentally ill younger one? Ok simple. Change the meaning of the word generation and make anyone who knew Fred Franz or was an anointed one when Fred Franz was alive, a member of the generation that saw 1914. David Splanes meaning of the word Generation is completely different to the dictionaries and the Bibles meaning in Matthew Chapter 1. So it's now obvious to me that according to the WT teaching all these years that the present day members of the GB are fakes and mentally ill.
I still want to know from a JW, where in the New Testament do we learn that there are anointed and non-anointed Christians. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! *You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces* . You yourselves do not enter, *nor will you let those enter who are trying to* . Matthew 23:13
Yes, it is, according to WT. Which should make every JW realize that they have no reason to have ANY confidence in anything the GB teaches, as long as WT holds to the position that Jehovah allows them to teach error.
Your channel is worthy of many more views. And I hope it will be more JW’s who view! I have a new adjustment for the GB, just revealed this morning. Time to turn off the light & put your deceitful life’s to bed!! 😂
I would be so dissatisfied with Winders answer if I were still a jw . He makes God sound completely impotent....and makes him the author of confusion. God gets the blame for non unanimous decsions. And he gets blamed for wrong ones. Why can God not "direct" all the gb members to a correct and unanimous decision at the same time? Winder also said that a "research package" is prepared for considerstion by the gb. This would include recommendations based on the scriptures and whatever has been said before in the publications. But then he said the gb can ignore the recommmendations and make a different decision. So, what was the point of the research? Was Jehovah not directing that part? If anything, his answer makes clear that gb decisions are devoid of "spirit direction" and are very human.
No one should miss seeing this well done presentation! At 7 minutes, Acts discusses a meeting of the apostles where Holy Spirit indeed inspired them to agree on a decision. Did the Apostles later change the decisions with "New Light." Jesus promised that "The Holy spirit will teach you and guide you." Jn 14:26 So does the Holy Spirit make mistakes? Only if the uninspired, unscriptual "GB" says so! Affecting the lives of millions! I loved the various "adjustments" quotes at 15:10. It would be laughable if it was not life altering and threatening. PS: The "One Generation" that would see the Tribulation was fulfilled in 70CE. when Jerusalem and all Judea were destroyed, "Not a stone was left upon a stone."
"And if we look at what our understanding was back then, we now believe that apparently our heads were jammed completely up our butt; so it's time to pull them out."
Well done! Winder said that one of the things that might get the gb to clarify an existing belief is the considerstion of parallel accounts. I wish they would apply this to their interpretation of Mt 24:45 - by considering the parrallel account in Luke.
Good point. But they only apply that when the conclusion results in something favorable to their authority structure. Remember, David Splane announced they no longer say an account is a type/anti-type unless the Bible says so. But they don’t apply that to Daniel chapter 4 or Malachi chapter 3.
Winder said that they are humble and happy when JC corrects them on understanding …. But how would the GB Know they are being corrected ???? If the previous understanding had to be unanimous to indicate Jah’s direction and then be published , surely the new understanding is needed because the previous understanding was wrong . But if the same criteria is required ti publish a corrected understanding , how would anyone know , including themselves , that it’s not just more error . To be guided by Holy Spirit in such matters means you’re inspired . They’ve already admitted their not
I recently encountered a JW that claimed Mt. 24 is a PROPHECY about WT, not a parable. I told him to read the parallel account in Luke, as it is cross-referenced in the New World Translation, which shows clearly the disciples understood the faithful slave to be an "illustration". Of course, the JW exited the conversation without ever acknowledging the point. Cognitive dissonance for sure. The JW won't even accept what is written in his own JW Bible.
"We are neither inspired nor infallible." That having been said, how is a unanimous vote a sign of holy spirit? More importantly, why would any god worth his lightning bolts make things so difficult for his chosen organization to understand? They're admitting that they vote on whatever doctrine sounds right, then they blame it on the same holy spirit they claim not to be inspired by. Make any of that make any sense!!!!!
It's the same reasoning as a JW being able to appeal a judicial committee decision. Why? The elders claim that they *pray for holy spirit* to make the correct judgment for the judicial committee. If that's true, then why would a JW be allowed to appeal the decision supposedly made by the holy spirit?
@@adamantiumbullet9215 I have never known a jw to win an appeal. That's because if they did, it would be proof that either the holy spirit was WRONG, or not present in the decision.
@@Hawxx9194 Me neither, Phillip. But, the issue is not whether any JWs have won an appeal. The real question is, why does WT have the provision of appeal in the first place? If the JC's decision is the result of the holy spirit's guidance, as WT claims, then an appeal process is neither necessary or logical.
"GB went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1 John 2:19 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or EXALTS HIMSELF or strikes you in the face. 2 Corinthians 11:20 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrine. Mt 15:9
Notice W.T. Never finishes the verse in Proverbs “until the day is firmly established “ 150 years have passed and they still don’t have full daylight! Blind guides is what they are. A treasure map that leads to nowhere .
It really amazes me how the gb always say they are not inspired and infallible but yet say they get all directions from God but down the road it ends up changing but the Bible states at James 1: 17 If they only admit what John 9:41 says. They continue meet together to make their own decisions to continue to mislead those who follow them!!! Their was no gb in the first century and their is no gb today
Even in the Bible it states that the Law and the priesthood CHANGED. so it is not just a tiny adjustment. Hebrews 7:12 For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well.
The first speaker quoted Acts 15v14, Which says that the Apostle Symeon, (Peter) relates that God. (Jehovah). For the first time, turned his attention to the Nation to take out of them a people for his name. ! He could have gone a little further to verse 17, which says "In order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of ALL Nations, people who are called by MY name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things ! Positively identifying the true Religeon. Check in the King James Bible to confirm, if unhappy with the NWT bible. !
They are probably not saying that they watch what the ' apostates' are writing that expose their errors so an ' adjustment' is needed, that or they are relinquishing control over their members so that they are no longer in the 'cult ' list. Yes, with the GB there is just too much assumption by them and not enough reading the scriptures in context.
I believe the governing body and those in the service department know what ex-witnesses and those in Christendom write. But they only credit themselves with coming up with new light and only when they determine the time is right for it to be revealed.
I don’t have a problem with what God temporarily allows. But those making false statements while claiming to be guided by God are lying and will be dealt with. (Matt. 7:15-23)
Jehovah/Yahweh is the father of the lie, for he is the devil, so it's no wonder the GB gets it wrong. He's also a God of confusion. Jesus rebuked the Israelites for worshipping their God (the God of the Hebrew scriptures) and becoming just like him at John 8:44 "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."
That last comment - that is the most important point. If you truly believe they are ordained - you must follow everything regardless because logic does not apply here.
As a JW myself of some 35 yrs though faded, I cannot reconcile and have never reconciled the argument that we (the GB) admit that we (the GB) are NOT inspired directly by God in any way in the manner that we say bible writers were, yet out of the other side of their mouths at the same time, we claim that these days God directs (and has directed in the past) the minds of the leadership (they didnt always have the GB set up) to pronounce "truths" and "clarifications" which later may NOT be "truths" at all -based solely on the claimed interpretation of Prov 4:18, that the "light is getting brighter". So many "truths" of the past are now considered completely FALSE and in fact if any JW today were to teach them or even believe them, they would be very quickly "helped to have their views and thinking "adjusted" with the very likely possibility of being punted out of the congregation. I have never understood this complete contradiction and I cannot suspend logic to agree with such an utterly false statement. The leadership are essentially saying that Jehovah gives or "reveals" false information to the leadership to feed and teach the "other sheep" only then at a later date to "reveal" different false information under the guise of "new light". The very critical understanding of the "generation of 1914" is an absolute case in point. From the early 1900's to now, here has been multiple "adjustments" on who this "generation" is , to the point where currently it literally spans multiple generations and saying also that it now it applies to the "annointed" only. Then there was the endless array of "new light" about "type" and "antitype" trying to tie events of the past as prefiguring some future event but then only recently, GB member Bro Splane came out with the current revelation (new truth) that you ( meaning the leadership) cannot apply type/antitype to bible events UNLESS the bible actually supports that interpretation. And so if that's the case, lo and behold half the JW interpretations have just gone up in smoke as well( sorry Anthony Morris). The fact is the leadership has the rank and file so imbedded with their position, the leadership could say and justify anything (and do) because the JW collective believe that the leadership HAS to be and MUST be inspired by God. Such is the power of cognitive dissonance.
Often wondered that myself.... Someone is Chairman... I wonder what Russell would say about it all now... Or brother Franz. (Crisis of conscience) Russell warned them back then do not let 'The judge' take over you. He did 😢 No one actually knows who the mastermind of them all is. Bet these 8 men are well paid 😂
@@preachfromthehousetops2167 Millerites, Russellites, Jehovah's witnesses... can you tell of any serious separating differences between their core belief systems? - because i sure can't..
John 8:31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” What TRUTH did these who already believed in Jesus still have to learn? Colossians 1:10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and INCREASING in the accurate knowledge of God;
And as for YOU, the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU, and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU, remain in union with him. (1 John 2:27)
The real question is….WHO gave them the old light..????? Which god are they really serving..??? The bible makes it clear when it says that if even one word that comes forth from someone’s mouth that claims to be a prophet doesn’t come true then this is a FALSE PROPHET…..👍👍
It's obvious that God is not directing these people because God does not make mistakes. So anyone claim in the almighty is doing that. And they make all these mistakes and failed bible teachings they're false profits
Ya God said Christmas was OK in the beginning then it wasn't, you celebrated birthdays now its pagan. Now beards are OK. the governing body is there to make as much money as they can
Either Jehovah is guiding these men, or they are guiding themselves. If they are in fact guiding themselves that would explain all of the doctrinal flip flops, but then begs the question, why believe anything they teach? The bible says it is sufficient for salvation alone and we do not need a teacher (2 Tim. 3:15-17). Yet everything these men say must go without question. That means they have complete authority over what you believe, not the Bible, and not God. But if God is guiding them then there is an even bigger problem. At that point they are claiming to be prophets speaking on behalf of what God shows them, yet they change their minds constantly with ever changing "truths". Mal. 3:6 says that Jehovah does not change, and Titus 1:2 says Jehovah does not lie. If God can suddenly change his mind, that means he can be wrong, he can lie, or you aren't getting your information from God. Deut. 18:20-22 shows us how to test a prophet and what we should do if a prophet is not speaking on behalf of God. These men clearly do not speak on behalf of God and according to God's word they should not be followed.
@preachfromthehousetops2167 Thank you, this is something I wrote and have been editing for my JW friend for when the right time comes. I believe you did a very good job revealing the errors in this JW teaching. Thank you for putting this together!
If you make the claim that you are Jehovah Gods only channel of truth and at the same time admit you get it wrong on many occasions then your take away must be = Jehovah God doesn’t know the truth
Or Jehovah God deliberately withholds the truth but requires Christians to be obedient to the mistaken opinions of men who run ahead of him in the meantime in order to preserve the doctrinal unity of one human organization that claims they got their understanding from him.
why would God withold the truth if Jesus is the truth? There is no barrier or authority between a man and Jesus = thus whatever you ask from me you will recieve. Take for example the wrong understanding that Jesus became king in 1914, when Jesus clearly says he is king of Kings and Peter says he sat down on his throne with all authority as did Jesus in Acts = all authority has been givin me in heaven and on earth. thus from that time onward Satan has no more authority on earth or in heaven, but only over those who are decieved into going into his fake religious trap
You don’t get it. The Bible is Holy Spirit inspired. If you guid your self strictly by the Bible you are now being guided by Holy Spirit. It takes a group because one person can always be wrong. Because the group is still imperfect they pry for guidance. So does God directly inspire as well? Well rather it does or not is only know by the outcome. The tree is known by its fruit. The organization is now in every country with satellite station in most. Free literature in over five-hundred languages. Best and highly educational website, also in over five-hundred language. Everyone member can use the Bible well. I can co on and on, but I think you got the point
Correct, you follow the Bible. If you follow the Bible correctly it will show as a good tree shows good fruit. Look at what the GB accomplishes in the world wide preaching. Truly look into it yourself.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm follow the Bible by whose interpretation? With the plethora of interpretations of the Bible in the world today what makes yours/theirs the correct one especially since they are not inspired? On the other hand there is this to ponder, including the implications it presents, and answer IF you have one… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
No, they're inspired by the evil spirit....Jehovah/Yahweh who is Satan the devil, and the God of confusion. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for worshipping their father the devil, the God who dominates the Hebrew scriptures. John 8:44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
If we are obeying Christ, then we are to be his witnesses just as he commanded. He said to go and make witnesses of me. The bible says honor the son as you honor the father. So,Jesus is to also be worshiped, and that's how we please God, through the son.
The less I hear Jeffrey Winder’s voice, the better!
Very powerful. As you brought out, the main issue with their process is, you can't say that God guided you to an understanding and then years later discard that understanding for a new one. In the vernacular, it's a mind screwing. They are good with words, one of which is "adjustment". The vast majority of the changes are not adjustments, but wholesale changes. It's like a radio dial. When you get static, it would not be an adjustment to throw the radio in the trash and buy a new one. An adjustment would be a tiny twist of the dial.
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Even in the Bible it states that the Law and the priesthood CHANGED. so it is not just a tiny adjustment. Hebrews 7:12
For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You're comparing apples and oranges. Going from the old covenant to the new is a systemic change. To compare it to the WT changes is ridiculous.
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Wow. Massively out of context DC, but not surprising. Your Biblical ignorance is matched only by your ignorance about what your religion actually teaches on the subject.
The Law and Priesthood wasn't changed. It was REPLACED. Had you actually read the context of Hebrews ch. 7, you'd know that. But, we know JWs don't have to read the Bible in order to arrive at their beliefs, right, MR DC?
Waoooo amazing argument against the GB. Only a person without a brain does not see the light.
excellent..thank you.. very well researched and rational... they don't claim to be infallible or inspired but they expect to be treated like they are...
❣️indeed...😔
They claim to be both and neither.
They talk out of both sides of their mouths.
How gets brigher?
In Luke 20 Jesus spoke about the Father quoting Exodus 3:4,6 and the Father gave his name to Moses in that chapter:
Luke 20:37 Jesus said [quoting Exodus 3]: But that the dead are raised up, even Moses made known in the account about the THORNBUSH, when he calls Jehovah "the LORD" ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ 38 He.. is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to HIM
Exodus 3:4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the THORNBUSH and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.” (..) 6 He went on to say: “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at THE TRUE GOD.
John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Your point is ?
That was well said. So simple.
Excellent! the governing body must fall...my deepest wishes
Greetings from Mazatlán, México
Hello Siouxe, just wondering if you used to be a JW in Mazatlan. My fleshly brother lived there as a pioneer for many years and I wonder if you
had crossed paths.
@@davidmcbrine4527 yes i was a JW, for 30 years..what is he's name?
Big yes. ❤
Jesus is shining a spotlight on their actions. The GB keeps having the opportunity to come clean and fess up that they're fakers, but it's just like Achan, who even though he could see he was going to be found out, kept trying to hide his bad deed.
Thank you for making this video! "Let the light shine!"😊
Yeah, like they're going to confess to being frauds and close up a billion dollar enterprise.
It all is claimed to be divine direction. If it was divine direction, the man wouldn’t have to vote on it.
Right. The apostles didn’t have to vote on it. And there was no uncertainty. No need to think about it and come back in a few years.
??? Say what ? They voted... it was unanimous
@@ucanliv4ever if it’s not unanimous, it’s set aside. After Tony’s vote was no longer counted, did the vote become unanimous?
I can't say either way because I wasn't there. A witness is someone who has personal knowledge of events, according to Brother Ken Cook
@@ucanliv4ever yes. The account said they all came to a unanimous accord. Whether they achieved this by voting is not specified. The point is they did not have to set the matter aside and come back perhaps years later because some felt uncomfortable or were unsure of God’s direction
"NEW LIGHT"??? "Woe to those who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter."
Isa 5:20
It sounde like the GB is not INSPIRED but is a big CONSPIRASY. I can hardlly wait to see what they need to change to in an attempt to keep their numbers.
Now we just need active JW's to wake up and see the GB for who they really are.... scammers.
Everything bro.... everything. They are going to walk back blood transfusions to disfellowshipping.... watch.... it's just a matter of time.
@@Deep.Purplethey surely can’t. Many have lost their lives due to both policies.. it’s not like making beards ok this is heavy duty
It was the talk by Jeffrey Winder that sealed it for me and I walked away. Especially after he said "We make mistakes. We are not infallible. We get it wrong sometimes but will never apologize". That was it for me. I have known this org as the Truth since 1972. The religion today bears no resemblance to the religion I converted to back then.
What I found intriguing, was the October broadcast started with "how Jehovah ALWAYS warns before he acts". Kenneth Cook JR went to great lengths to explain how Jehovah warned the earths inhabitants prior to the flood and how he warned the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding cities before he burned them alive.
Then within the same month at the AGM David Splane said exactly the opposite, that Jehovah through Noah, couldn't possibly have warned the earths inhabitants prior to the flood. He was too busy building the Ark. A conservative estimate that earths population would have been over a million plus, before Jehovah in his love and compassion, drowned them, men, women, children and infants along with millions of animals without notice.
I then researched again Matt 24:39 in the NWT where it says "They took no note until the flood came and swept them all away". But the NWT is the ONLY Bible that says that. Not even the Greek Interlinear says they "took no note". Every Bible and every interlinear says "They DID NOT KNOW". Finally the gb have admitted they lied all these years to try and prod us to preach with urgency. David Splane said that those people did not know. He also said multiple times that the governing body "did not know" the answer to many questions. But still they expect 8 million plus people to follow them blindly and without question?
Then Splane says that this compassionate, merciful, loving God who's heart bleeds when we suffer, decided to burn alive the inhabitants of several cities, men, women and children and infants plus animals numbering thousands, without warning because he saw fit to sweep them all away. Don't the gb communicate with each other? How could they teach two diametrically opposite thoughts within days? But they make no apologies.
They never apologized for 1975. They blamed the brothers and sisters themselves and they're still doing it now. Look at the latest video of the brother and sister who are burned out because they've missed out on having children and allowed life to pass them by while waiting for Armageddon. Then the old brother who still has to work to survive and who's wife left him because of the gb's failed prophecy in 1975 and is probably very happy while he's struggling with an aging body and still having to do manual labor.
Sadly the gb has replaced Jesus as the mediator between God and men while the name Jehovah has become synonymous with the organization. Leave the organization is leaving Jehovah. Listen how much praise the brothers now heap upon the gb. They even mention them in their prayers. Sadly more so now than ever before, Jehovah's Witnesses are following men.
One major thing I notice now is when there's "nu lite" it's no longer proved by the Bible, it's just "The governing body has decided". Another proof of following men.
I was just watching that Oct '23 broadcasting episode to confirm what I remembered about the timing right befor the Annual Meeting declarations. They changed in one week?
I quote J. Winder's words (subtlely to PIMIs) from that talk hoping that something clicks.
I am 5th generation, ex-elder (11years) and a fading-PIMO (to keep some freinds) with a PIMQ wife so I completely understand from where you come.
What will the 2024 Annual Meeting bring? We live in interesting times...
Rudy
@@RudyTokarz we wait and see
“For many years our publications said”
Of all the information I have, this puts it all in one egg shell. It psalms it all up
Thank you for your video me and my husband are awake since 3 months
Are you ok?
Very excellent content! Great great work! Thank you!
Great analysis!
The concept of the leadership of the WT org being chosen by JC as the F&DS is a purely DOCTRINAL position adopted by that organisation .
If they have admitted they can err on doctrinal matters, why is it that the only doctrinal matter that it is impossible for them to err in is their claim and evaluation to be the F&DS🤔🤔???
Why is it that any doctrinal utterance and understanding thereafter , they can be excused for doctrinal error apart from the doctrinal understanding that they are the F&DS
If they are not inspired and can err how can we know Jesus chose them? With their track record of interpretive errors since the 1870’s, we cannot trust their interpretation of Matthew 25:45-47 and accept that as proof. (John 5:31)
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I only just realized also why David Splane came up with the change in meaning of the word generation in 2015. The WT always said that the heavenly calling closed in 1931 then changed it to 1935 and that if any were selected after that date it would be a rare occurrence and perhaps an odd one had proved unfaithful and needed to be replaced. That replacement would generally be someone who had served Jehovah a long time and was mature. The only ones selected to serve on the governing body which became the F&DS would be members of that group of anointed. Over the years the Society insisted that 1935 was the closing date and any coming "into the truth" after that date were members of the great crowd with an earthly hope. To explain why many in their 20's were suddenly began claiming to be of the remnant of the 144,000 particularly from the 1980's, the WT stated that perhaps they were mentally sick or were a left over from their previously held beliefs when they were in Christendom.
Today none of the present day GB were born prior to 1935. Winder and Fleagle etc had to be among the mentally sick 20 year olds at that time they started to partake. None of the present day GB match the criteria to be truly anointed unless they were replacing unfaithful older members of the remnant. Again they wouldn't have matched the WT's criteria as someone who was older and mature spiritually at the time they began to partake of the emblems. So David Splane had to think fast. How can the present day members of the GB claim to be anointed when it closed in 1935 and not be a mentally ill younger one? Ok simple. Change the meaning of the word generation and make anyone who knew Fred Franz or was an anointed one when Fred Franz was alive, a member of the generation that saw 1914. David Splanes meaning of the word Generation is completely different to the dictionaries and the Bibles meaning in Matthew Chapter 1. So it's now obvious to me that according to the WT teaching all these years that the present day members of the GB are fakes and mentally ill.
I still want to know from a JW, where in the New Testament do we learn that there are anointed and non-anointed Christians.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! *You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces* . You yourselves do not enter, *nor will you let those enter who are trying to* . Matthew 23:13
So it’s ok to teach errors until Jehovah puts the light on it 🤔
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Yes, it is, according to WT.
Which should make every JW realize that they have no reason to have ANY confidence in anything the GB teaches, as long as WT holds to the position that Jehovah allows them to teach error.
Oh this is Golden ! ! Remember when it was always “Well the Society says…”
I guess we’ll have to get used to saying “well the society used to say…”
@@preachfromthehousetops2167 ; Right ! ! 🤣
Your channel is worthy of many more views. And I hope it will be more JW’s who view!
I have a new adjustment for the GB, just revealed this morning.
Time to turn off the light & put your deceitful life’s to bed!! 😂
It's time to turn off their "New Light", which is darkness! Mt 6:23 "If the light you think you have is actually darkness, how deep that darkness is!"
If God is directing them, then why do they err?
They are led by their "Father," the same one that Jesus identified: "You are from your Father the Devil." Satan and the GB demand full devotion.
The god of this system is guiding them
I would be so dissatisfied with Winders answer if I were still a jw . He makes God sound completely impotent....and makes him the author of confusion. God gets the blame for non unanimous decsions. And he gets blamed for wrong ones. Why can God not "direct" all the gb members to a correct and unanimous decision at the same time? Winder also said that a "research package" is prepared for considerstion by the gb. This would include recommendations based on the scriptures and whatever has been said before in the publications. But then he said the gb can ignore the recommmendations and make a different decision. So, what was the point of the research? Was Jehovah not directing that part? If anything, his answer makes clear that gb decisions are devoid of "spirit direction" and are very human.
Yes. That was very revealing. I hope this causes more witnesses to wake up to the fact that they have been just following men this entire time.
No one should miss seeing this well done presentation! At 7 minutes, Acts discusses a meeting of the apostles where Holy Spirit indeed inspired them to agree on a decision. Did the Apostles later change the decisions with "New Light." Jesus promised that "The Holy spirit will teach you and guide you." Jn 14:26 So does the Holy Spirit make mistakes? Only if the uninspired, unscriptual "GB" says so! Affecting the lives of millions! I loved the various "adjustments" quotes at 15:10. It would be laughable if it was not life altering and threatening. PS: The "One Generation" that would see the Tribulation was fulfilled in 70CE. when Jerusalem and all Judea were destroyed, "Not a stone was left upon a stone."
My sheep know my voice - Jesus
Yet JW listen to the org
"And if we look at what our understanding was back then, we now believe that apparently our heads were jammed completely up our butt; so it's time to pull them out."
Well done! Winder said that one of the things that might get the gb to clarify an existing belief is the considerstion of parallel accounts. I wish they would apply this to their interpretation of Mt 24:45 - by considering the parrallel account in Luke.
Good point. But they only apply that when the conclusion results in something favorable to their authority structure. Remember, David Splane announced they no longer say an account is a type/anti-type unless the Bible says so. But they don’t apply that to Daniel chapter 4 or Malachi chapter 3.
Winder said that they are humble and happy when JC corrects them on understanding …. But how would the GB Know they are being corrected ???? If the previous understanding had to be unanimous to indicate Jah’s direction and then be published , surely the new understanding is needed because the previous understanding was wrong . But if the same criteria is required ti publish a corrected understanding , how would anyone know , including themselves , that it’s not just more error . To be guided by Holy Spirit in such matters means you’re inspired . They’ve already admitted their not
@@glenfinch1468 Does your head in doesn't it. Why can't they see they're speaking nonsense. Blind leading the blind that's for sure.
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They know they speak nonsense, it's their followers who don't know it.
I recently encountered a JW that claimed Mt. 24 is a PROPHECY about WT, not a parable.
I told him to read the parallel account in Luke, as it is cross-referenced in the New World Translation, which shows clearly the disciples understood the faithful slave to be an "illustration". Of course, the JW exited the conversation without ever acknowledging the point. Cognitive dissonance for sure. The JW won't even accept what is written in his own JW Bible.
Absolutely frightening
"We are neither inspired nor infallible." That having been said, how is a unanimous vote a sign of holy spirit? More importantly, why would any god worth his lightning bolts make things so difficult for his chosen organization to understand? They're admitting that they vote on whatever doctrine sounds right, then they blame it on the same holy spirit they claim not to be inspired by. Make any of that make any sense!!!!!
I can’t!
It's the same reasoning as a JW being able to appeal a judicial committee decision. Why? The elders claim that they *pray for holy spirit* to make the correct judgment for the judicial committee. If that's true, then why would a JW be allowed to appeal the decision supposedly made by the holy spirit?
@@adamantiumbullet9215 good point
@@adamantiumbullet9215 I have never known a jw to win an appeal. That's because if they did, it would be proof that either the holy spirit was WRONG, or not present in the decision.
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Me neither, Phillip. But, the issue is not whether any JWs have won an appeal. The real question is, why does WT have the provision of appeal in the first place? If the JC's decision is the result of the holy spirit's guidance, as WT claims, then an appeal process is neither necessary or logical.
Thank-you, well explained, easy to follow...now I'll re-read those scripures under " new light " 😊😁
Very nice piece 👏👏👏
"GB went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1 John 2:19 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or EXALTS HIMSELF or strikes you in the face. 2 Corinthians 11:20 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrine. Mt 15:9
Notice W.T. Never finishes the verse in Proverbs “until the day is firmly established “ 150 years have passed and they still don’t have full daylight! Blind guides is what they are. A treasure map that leads to nowhere .
Good point. Actually Gerrit Losch once admitted that, according to Daniel 12:4, they’re still roving about.
It really amazes me how the gb always say they are not inspired and infallible but yet say they get all directions from God but down the road it ends up changing but the Bible states at James 1: 17 If they only admit what John 9:41 says. They continue meet together to make their own decisions to continue to mislead those who follow them!!! Their was no gb in the first century and their is no gb today
Thanks for sharing those scriptures. They both show the governing body’s claim of constantly changing new light to be false.
15:15 great example of opening to “new light”.
Proverbs 4v18-19 contrast a righteous man with a wicked man (these verses should not be used to change doctrine.
Yes. Also, when does new shite become old shite!!!🤷♂🤷♂
Really good video
Hmm. Was the decision to give Anthony Morris the boot unanimous?
Only if he agreed. Lol
Even in the Bible it states that the Law and the priesthood CHANGED. so it is not just a tiny adjustment. Hebrews 7:12
For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well.
Happy New Year, Mr.DC.
Hope all is well.
Great video. Just subscribed
Thank you!
Very happy to find you from Québec 😊 I just subscribed 😊
Hello marmie, nice to meet you...I'm also from quebec 😊
@@francinemirey1555 nice to meet you too 😊
The first speaker quoted Acts 15v14, Which says that the Apostle Symeon, (Peter) relates that God. (Jehovah). For the first time, turned his attention to the Nation to take out of them a people for his name. !
He could have gone a little further to verse 17, which says "In order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of ALL Nations, people who are called by MY name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things !
Positively identifying the true Religeon. Check in the King James Bible to confirm, if unhappy with the NWT bible. !
Do you believe the true worshippers at that time were called Jehovah's Witnesses?
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@@preachfromthehousetops2167 I think you poked the hornets nest on this subject.
@@ciscokidfab7595 I hope so
Preach, it's not what they call themselves, it's what they are- a people for his name
They are probably not saying that they watch what the ' apostates' are writing that expose their errors so an ' adjustment' is needed,
that or they are relinquishing control over their members so that they are no longer in the 'cult ' list.
Yes, with the GB there is just too much assumption by them and not enough reading the scriptures in context.
I believe the governing body and those in the service department know what ex-witnesses and those in Christendom write. But they only credit themselves with coming up with new light and only when they determine the time is right for it to be revealed.
God is not supposed to lie…that being said why would he allow his followers to promote a teaching that was not truth in the first place?
I don’t have a problem with what God temporarily allows. But those making false statements while claiming to be guided by God are lying and will be dealt with. (Matt. 7:15-23)
Jehovah/Yahweh is the father of the lie, for he is the devil, so it's no wonder the GB gets it wrong. He's also a God of confusion.
Jesus rebuked the Israelites for worshipping their God (the God of the Hebrew scriptures) and becoming just like him at John 8:44 "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."
All religions lie, and they manipulate their followers.
Or, how the Bulshit gets worse!
The BS was always there it’s just getting deeper and being brought to light. Or new light?😂🤣😅
That last comment - that is the most important point. If you truly believe they are ordained - you must follow everything regardless because logic does not apply here.
As a JW myself of some 35 yrs though faded, I cannot reconcile and have never reconciled the argument that we (the GB) admit that we (the GB) are NOT inspired directly by God in any way in the manner that we say bible writers were, yet out of the other side of their mouths at the same time, we claim that these days God directs (and has directed in the past) the minds of the leadership (they didnt always have the GB set up) to pronounce "truths" and "clarifications" which later may NOT be "truths" at all -based solely on the claimed interpretation of Prov 4:18, that the "light is getting brighter". So many "truths" of the past are now considered completely FALSE and in fact if any JW today were to teach them or even believe them, they would be very quickly "helped to have their views and thinking "adjusted" with the very likely possibility of being punted out of the congregation.
I have never understood this complete contradiction and I cannot suspend logic to agree with such an utterly false statement. The leadership are essentially saying that Jehovah gives or "reveals" false information to the leadership to feed and teach the "other sheep" only then at a later date to "reveal" different false information under the guise of "new light". The very critical understanding of the "generation of 1914" is an absolute case in point. From the early 1900's to now, here has been multiple "adjustments" on who this "generation" is , to the point where currently it literally spans multiple generations and saying also that it now it applies to the "annointed" only. Then there was the endless array of "new light" about "type" and "antitype" trying to tie events of the past as prefiguring some future event but then only recently, GB member Bro Splane came out with the current revelation (new truth) that you ( meaning the leadership) cannot apply type/antitype to bible events UNLESS the bible actually supports that interpretation. And so if that's the case, lo and behold half the JW interpretations have just gone up in smoke as well( sorry Anthony Morris). The fact is the leadership has the rank and file so imbedded with their position, the leadership could say and justify anything (and do) because the JW collective believe that the leadership HAS to be and MUST be inspired by God. Such is the power of cognitive dissonance.
Well said. Thank you for your comment
My Hubby works for the Electric Co....he said the light gets brighter if you screw in the bukb tighter...👍🏽😁♥️🇨🇦
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Where can i find these videos, what year were they made?
Its always owner of a company and I always wonder who owns this watch tower there's one guy in charge who is he
Often wondered that myself....
Someone is Chairman... I wonder what Russell would say about it all now... Or brother Franz. (Crisis of conscience) Russell warned them back then do not let 'The judge' take over you. He did 😢 No one actually knows who the mastermind of them all is.
Bet these 8 men are well paid 😂
There are several corporations. The board of directors are in charge, not just one man.
“The light has gotten brighter”
Is Russellite speak for “Jehovah changed his mind”.
@@hikikomori_999 I don’t think Russell ever taught that
@@preachfromthehousetops2167 Millerites, Russellites, Jehovah's witnesses...
can you tell of any serious separating differences between their core belief systems?
- because i sure can't..
If they could understand the bible they wouldn't need to interpret it themselves
When he says the GB meetings are lively, I wonder what he means by that??? Give me a break Jeff. I bet you all argue like cats and dogs
Lol. Well… if he’s comparing it to Acts chapter 15 there is much disputing that goes on. Imagine that with Anthony Morris there.
John 14:6
Very, very confusing 🤔🤔🤔
John 8:31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
What TRUTH did these who already believed in Jesus still have to learn?
Colossians 1:10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and INCREASING in the accurate knowledge of God;
And as for YOU, the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU, and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU, remain in union with him. (1 John 2:27)
@@preachfromthehousetops2167: That is correct! When a disciple of Jesus is anointed, he would know it.
Question I want to ask is why cut the beards of the Bible characters and their hair
They lipread you as they do not actually listen and so cannot read lips from a distance if you have a beard. 😂
If you mean why dot they trim their beards, it's because it is written in the law of the Jews.
IRONICALLY THEY MAKE INSPIRED STATEMENTS YET NOT INSPIRED !
They are masters at doublespeak
A flickering light at best...
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JWS USE PROVERBS 4:18 AS A CRUTCH TO PERPETUALLY TEACH THEIR IDEAS !
The real question is….WHO gave them the old light..?????
Which god are they really serving..???
The bible makes it clear when it says that if even one word that comes forth from someone’s mouth that claims to be a prophet doesn’t come true then this is a FALSE PROPHET…..👍👍
Pretty clear!
🤪 Crazy
It's obvious that God is not directing these people because God does not make mistakes. So anyone claim in the almighty is doing that. And they make all these mistakes and failed bible teachings they're false profits
They are so full of it.🙄😒
doesn't make sense at all I was so stupid 😮
@@tishellepimo you just trusted they really cared for you and were telling the truth.
Ya God said Christmas was OK in the beginning then it wasn't, you celebrated birthdays now its pagan. Now beards
are OK. the governing body is there to make as much money as they can
What would you know about making money?
@@ucanliv4ever enough to retire at an early age
Which bubble is about to burst
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Everyone is getting early retirement...they just let you think that you did it on your own
Either Jehovah is guiding these men, or they are guiding themselves. If they are in fact guiding themselves that would explain all of the doctrinal flip flops, but then begs the question, why believe anything they teach? The bible says it is sufficient for salvation alone and we do not need a teacher (2 Tim. 3:15-17). Yet everything these men say must go without question. That means they have complete authority over what you believe, not the Bible, and not God. But if God is guiding them then there is an even bigger problem. At that point they are claiming to be prophets speaking on behalf of what God shows them, yet they change their minds constantly with ever changing "truths". Mal. 3:6 says that Jehovah does not change, and Titus 1:2 says Jehovah does not lie. If God can suddenly change his mind, that means he can be wrong, he can lie, or you aren't getting your information from God. Deut. 18:20-22 shows us how to test a prophet and what we should do if a prophet is not speaking on behalf of God. These men clearly do not speak on behalf of God and according to God's word they should not be followed.
Very sound scriptural reasoning. Thanks!
@preachfromthehousetops2167 Thank you, this is something I wrote and have been editing for my JW friend for when the right time comes. I believe you did a very good job revealing the errors in this JW teaching. Thank you for putting this together!
By their fruits you will recognize them. The wheat and the weeds grow together. They deny Christ and will be denied by Christ.
its nonesense they use money from suckers that give money in donations
If you make the claim that you are Jehovah Gods only channel of truth and at the same time admit you get it wrong on many occasions then your take away must be = Jehovah God doesn’t know the truth
Or Jehovah God deliberately withholds the truth but requires Christians to be obedient to the mistaken opinions of men who run ahead of him in the meantime in order to preserve the doctrinal unity of one human organization that claims they got their understanding from him.
why would God withold the truth if Jesus is the truth? There is no barrier or authority between a man and Jesus = thus whatever you ask from me you will recieve. Take for example the wrong understanding that Jesus became king in 1914, when Jesus clearly says he is king of Kings and Peter says he sat down on his throne with all authority as did Jesus in Acts = all authority has been givin me in heaven and on earth. thus from that time onward Satan has no more authority on earth or in heaven, but only over those who are decieved into going into his fake religious trap
You don’t get it. The Bible is Holy Spirit inspired. If you guid your self strictly by the Bible you are now being guided by Holy Spirit. It takes a group because one person can always be wrong. Because the group is still imperfect they pry for guidance. So does God directly inspire as well? Well rather it does or not is only know by the outcome. The tree is known by its fruit. The organization is now in every country with satellite station in most. Free literature in over five-hundred languages. Best and highly educational website, also in over five-hundred language. Everyone member can use the Bible well. I can co on and on, but I think you got the point
The Bible is inspired. Humans are not. So when humans say something that is not supported by the Bible we should follow the Bible. Is that the point?
Correct, you follow the Bible. If you follow the Bible correctly it will show as a good tree shows good fruit. Look at what the GB accomplishes in the world wide preaching. Truly look into it yourself.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm follow the Bible by whose interpretation? With the plethora of interpretations of the Bible in the world today what makes yours/theirs the correct one especially since they are not inspired? On the other hand there is this to ponder, including the implications it presents, and answer IF you have one…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
www.youtube.com/@centre-place explains it all
But yet they are not inspired by Holy Spirit of God.
They “claim” to be anointed of jahovahs spirit channel. But not inspired. Agreed, that is some confusion stuff.🤪
No, they're inspired by the evil spirit....Jehovah/Yahweh who is Satan the devil, and the God of confusion. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for worshipping their father the devil, the God who dominates the Hebrew scriptures. John 8:44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."
No what they ask is mommy why was I born so dumb
Faith the excuse the ignorant give when they have no evidence
Lol
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
While it is true that the Son accomplishes the will of the Father, do you think he does not want Christians to bear witness to Jesus?
If we are obeying Christ, then we are to be his witnesses just as he commanded. He said to go and make witnesses of me. The bible says honor the son as you honor the father. So,Jesus is to also be worshiped, and that's how we please God, through the son.
Jesus in Acts 1:8 said of himself what is said in Isa 43:10. Rev 17:14 the chosen and faithful; in Jesus the Christ.
Their Jehovah is not very good he keeps getting the end of the world wrong,1874,1914,1925,1975 .
Your whole channel is an attack om jehovah's witnesses...why??
I prefer the term whistleblower
So Jehovah was so unsure for 100 years about whether a man can have a beard or not? Watchtower, go sit down.
@@alcedo_kf Lol
He's a long winded windbag I mean winder