I've recently given barebow a go after shooting recurve exclusively for 10 years, and the target panic was immediate. It's amazing what your brain is capable of tricking you into doing
Exactly the same for me. Olympic for 5 years and started shooting barebow this year- TP was pretty much from day 1. I just ordered this clicker....let's see how well it works!
The Clickety Klick comes with a metal ball chain to adjust the draw length, and that chain usually damages the finish on the limb on each shot. This one with the cord only seems a better choice.
Hi Jake. Thanks for the great videos you continue to post online. This is a wonderful resource!. One question regarding the clicker featured in the present video: Is it allowed by the FITA to use it in the Olympic recurve division? Thanks in advance for your answer
The clicker I got had a ball chain. Might as well mount a bell on my bow it was so loud. Had to replace ball chain with a braided bow string connector. Works nice and quiet now.
I use a limb clicker for fun on my "barebow". De-clicking causes form collapse and it's nearly impossible to correct it without letting down fully and restarting from set-up. I use the same procedure as I do with an arrow clicker in Olympic style -- draw, anchor, transfer, expand through the clicker.
Hello Jake, I also used the clicker, it was only enough for me for 100 shots, after that the clicker didn't work anymore. The binding into the string is not optimal, I took the attachment for the cord of the arrow rest from the compound and so I can adjust the length again and again.
You should look at tying in that clicker another way, if you need to put twists in your string you will change the clicker. Watch Kifarus channel on how he set it up. Clicker-string looped around the string w serving on either side to hold the loop in place.
I've shot Klickety Klick clickers for years and featured them in My DEAD ON TRADITIONAL DVD. Since then invented a boat hasp clicker that is bullet proof and I drill and tap this hasp into my riser bottom. Pine rifle D loop cord excellent for a clicker string. The balls strings that come with klickety click ruin your limb finish and break easily.
I think this could be s useful tool for training new kids to get them to draw length during endurance events. Most kids I've shot with get tired after 30 shots and stop drawing the same length.
Hey sir I just had a question… how do I engage my core more during the ksl shot cycle? Your form series is great and it’s working fantastic but I just needed to know this. Thanks. 😊
What if you can come up with a device that clicks/taps on a timer that is not in any way related to draw length. You would have to shoot a consistent cadence. Just let down if it clicks when form or aim is off. Maybe like a metronome in your pocket.
I've used one of these for years now, but I still struggle to find a good string that doesn't tangle up occasionally. How can I get a few feet of "D loop string" without buying a whole bunch of it?
@Jake Kaminski: A couple years ago I asked you "how does your grip sear work". I guess this is your real answer -- it doesn't 😂 There's something going on here that's kinda like the two great violinists Menuhin and Grapelli. Menuhin was schooled since childhood to in a world that taught him to precisely reproduce classical works as they were written. Grappelli grew up in the more instinctive, informal world of gipsy violin and jazz. Or maybe I could be talking outta my ass . .
The only one thing I envy about Olympic recurve shooters is their clicker. I once tried one on my barebow and it took me only a few ends to get used to it. When I took it off again I could not cut the string loose anymore. No click - no release. ;) It's a neat thing, but dangerous to get addicted to. But yeah, why not change the rules?
Have you looked into the Sony high speed? From my research, they shoot about a 240 fps but in camera software out puts it at 960 (“1,000”) fps. A used one is a couple of 100s vs the Chronos at 5k. I was looking for one for my archery development
@@JakeKaminskiArchery 👍🏼can’t wait to see your demo. Have you look for used gear at B&H? They could save you a few bucks while having the confidence that they know their gear? I may just spend 200 on an RX100 and see if it meets my needs before thinking about 5k on a Chronos Good luck
Looks like a clicker like this is legal in recurve division? (11.1.4. One draw check indicator, audible, tactile and/or visual may be used provided it is not electric or electronic).
I've used one on trad bow before wooks great , I now shoot barebow and I'm struggling not with tp as such I think I'm very strong regarding that , but I have a bad pluck out on release and can't solve it , my coach talks about focusing on my back and the release will just happen subconsciously , what do you think ? I think if I'm holding the string I'll just keep holding it until I make a decision to let it go /slip off ,
I don't know the answer or if there is one, but when do you perfect aids for the bow such that barebow becomes virtually undistinguishable from its fancy, dancy cousin, olympic recurve? For example, I use a dropdown rest and a plunger. Are these deviations from what was the original purpose of barebow? I have a feeling they are, but I will continue to use them. Any thoughts on this abstract consideration?
The answer is pretty straightforward: WA aknowledges 3 disciplines in finger style shooting: olympic recurve, barebow and traditional. Taking away the drop away rest and plunger OR adding sight and stabilizers would remove barebows entire point of existence as it would be indistinguishable from the other 2. You could argue a clicker would put barebow still far enough from trad without giving barebowers the advantage of stabilizers. This however would certainly diminish the importance of olympic recurve and WA is heavily against that idea
Hi Jake. I’m new to archery (1 year in) and have shot exclusively barebow. I am wondering if you’d recommend a limb clicker to a newer shooter who hasn’t used one before? I have been trying to use repeating the same form over and over to combat (or prevent) TP, but I honestly don’t know if I suffer from it or now. The form concentration to prevent TP comes from the book The Art of Barebow Shooting I recently read. Just wondering what your thoughts are. Thank you!
Speaking of clickers squire. Could you maybe do a video on how to adjust a standard blade clicker. I've heard it can be bent to make it a tad louder. Mine is way too quiet for my deaf self to hear.
If you haven't gone into competitions yet, you'll soon discover that teaching yourself to "feel" the click is more effective than hearing the click. With other shooters standing next to you with their clickers sounding off, it can trigger a reaction from you to release before your clicker goes off. My coach had me practice with ear plugs in to learn to feel the click instead of hearing it.
@@oscarmedina1303 I may have an advantage there. I have cochlear implants so all I need to do is switch them off an I hear nothing. My problem here is the clicker doesn't click hard enough to even cause a vibration. I've seen that people bend them but I am weary. I'm coming into recurve from traditional so I don't want to do anything that can damage my new equipment
I love you Jake and I am so thankful for all your videos. Please don't give people idea of adding more stuff to barebow. I am barebow 100% and would not like to start seeing clickers used on tournaments. If it was up to me hammer weight would be also out but it's not up to me.. Great video. Keep them coming.
A lower limb clicker should be legal in IFAA Barebow. WA are just happy for people to leave the sport due to target panic. Grip sear and tab sear, feather to nose is a work around but I've developed tension setting those off now. Scott Antzak has a good system for an IFAA legal low limb clicker. Scott's clicker system isnt affected by stringwalking and crawls
Dude I shoot with Scott in Cudahy, WI when I’ve been lucky enough to run into him. His advice to me (a 1 yr in archer) is try to learn without the grip sear if at all possible. Fuckin love Scott though. Such a nice, informative guy.
@@patrickmcnichols8346 yeah he's a top bloke! Really helpful and willing to share his knowledge and experience. I've used grip sear and tab sear in conpetition but found I can get tense when trying to activate the sear under pressure. The sear/Joel Turner ShotIq method has really helped me in competition and under pressure but shooting a full Olympic Recurve setup has been a breeze. It's a more natural shot process to expand through the click. The thing is to learn to shoot a shot with a process that doesn't include your pin/tip of arrow being on the dot as your stimulus to let her rip.
I shoot instinctive, still don’t understand what split vision is. And I don’t really have it, but if I was trying to control anything more than “good enough” I’m sure it would creep in hard.
Been there done that. Thankfully all of that is behind me. If you think the limb clicker is fun, wait until you finally decide to put in the work and fix your TP. And let's not hear how you tried and couldn't do it. You spent years and years and countless hours learning to shoot. Spend what it takes over a few months to gain control over your shot cycle.
I hear you again. I appreciate your helpful suggestions however I believe you underestimate the amount of time I have available and how hard I work outside of what you see in these videos. When [if] I retire I'll find that time. Till then... I'll just keep telling you it wont work.
I agree. Don't see any need for a limb clicker which seems a bit awkward when added. Just use the tried and true if competition rules are of no consequence.
With as much as you have shot, I am shocked that you still have target panic. I got rid of mine in a few months shooting a compound with a back tension release. I can no longer punch any release or even with a recurve or longbow, I never have any issues of my mind wanting to let the string go before I am settled and ready. You may have to set up a compound and use a two or three finger back tension release, which today everyone calls them hinge releases because they failed at learning how to use them properly. It does not take long to completely brake the habit. If you do try the compound, don’t listen to your coach. I watched a video of you a year or two ago shooting a compound and some things you had no clue on but that’s what your coach told you. Talk to me. I will tell you how to shoot a compound. I can also shoot a target recurve. When it comes to bare bow like you have there, no. I shoot trad recurves and longbows with nothing on them.
I have shot for years with a compound and actually it was my first bow. I developed TP with a back tension release as we used to call it back in 2000 and haven’t fully kicked it… you never kick it but learn to manage it. Fixing TP requires a few factors and the compound release is much easier to fix it… it does the work for you and let’s go for you.
Of course, but self expectations in my case are far higher than the score. Knowing what a good [perfect] shot is, when chasing high performance on a world scale doesn’t allow anything less than that… this is basically the root of my TP imho.
To each their own, I believe a clicker barebow division at some events would retain more barebow shooters in the long haul and increase participation at events. Myself included come two plus years ago.
I've recently given barebow a go after shooting recurve exclusively for 10 years, and the target panic was immediate. It's amazing what your brain is capable of tricking you into doing
Exactly the same for me. Olympic for 5 years and started shooting barebow this year- TP was pretty much from day 1. I just ordered this clicker....let's see how well it works!
🤣🤣 next try a sight…..and some stabilizers
Good idea!
The new clicker-stabilizer-sight-barebow division :D (edit: make sure it fits through the 122cm ring)
Appreciate your teaching & your honesty about TP issues. I do the grip sear but ultimately should buy the limb driven clicker also.
I think he is talking Barebow not Olympic Recurve lol
@@smokingtomato maybe....im not sure this Jake guy knows much about recurve 🤣🤣🤣
The Clickety Klick comes with a metal ball chain to adjust the draw length, and that chain usually damages the finish on the limb on each shot. This one with the cord only seems a better choice.
Luckily for me it’s a Mykan I’m looking at 😂😂😂 I’m so glad
I know several barebow shooters that use clickers for practise to put "muscle memory" into getting an exact draw length. None of them can shoot well.
Hi Jake. Thanks for the great videos you continue to post online. This is a wonderful resource!. One question regarding the clicker featured in the present video: Is it allowed by the FITA to use it in the Olympic recurve division? Thanks in advance for your answer
The clicker I got had a ball chain. Might as well mount a bell on my bow it was so loud. Had to replace ball chain with a braided bow string connector. Works nice and quiet now.
I use a limb clicker for fun on my "barebow". De-clicking causes form collapse and it's nearly impossible to correct it without letting down fully and restarting from set-up. I use the same procedure as I do with an arrow clicker in Olympic style -- draw, anchor, transfer, expand through the clicker.
Hello Jake, I also used the clicker, it was only enough for me for 100 shots, after that the clicker didn't work anymore. The binding into the string is not optimal, I took the attachment for the cord of the arrow rest from the compound and so I can adjust the length again and again.
6:13 that's how I warm up as well 😅
You should look at tying in that clicker another way, if you need to put twists in your string you will change the clicker. Watch Kifarus channel on how he set it up. Clicker-string looped around the string w serving on either side to hold the loop in place.
Thanks!
I've shot Klickety Klick clickers for years and featured them in My DEAD ON TRADITIONAL DVD. Since then invented a boat hasp clicker that is bullet proof and I drill and tap this hasp into my riser bottom.
Pine rifle D loop cord excellent for a clicker string. The balls strings that come with klickety click ruin your limb finish and break easily.
I think this could be s useful tool for training new kids to get them to draw length during endurance events. Most kids I've shot with get tired after 30 shots and stop drawing the same length.
Hey sir I just had a question… how do I engage my core more during the ksl shot cycle? Your form series is great and it’s working fantastic but I just needed to know this. Thanks. 😊
What if you can come up with a device that clicks/taps on a timer that is not in any way related to draw length. You would have to shoot a consistent cadence. Just let down if it clicks when form or aim is off. Maybe like a metronome in your pocket.
What model and brand is this red riser?
I've used one of these for years now, but I still struggle to find a good string that doesn't tangle up occasionally. How can I get a few feet of "D loop string" without buying a whole bunch of it?
How did the 50 meter clicker round go?
Does it allowed in a competition?
@Jake Kaminski: A couple years ago I asked you "how does your grip sear work". I guess this is your real answer -- it doesn't 😂 There's something going on here that's kinda like the two great violinists Menuhin and Grapelli. Menuhin was schooled since childhood to in a world that taught him to precisely reproduce classical works as they were written. Grappelli grew up in the more instinctive, informal world of gipsy violin and jazz.
Or maybe I could be talking outta my ass . .
The only one thing I envy about Olympic recurve shooters is their clicker. I once tried one on my barebow and it took me only a few ends to get used to it. When I took it off again I could not cut the string loose anymore. No click - no release. ;) It's a neat thing, but dangerous to get addicted to. But yeah, why not change the rules?
Have you looked into the Sony high speed? From my research, they shoot about a 240 fps but in camera software out puts it at 960 (“1,000”) fps. A used one is a couple of 100s vs the Chronos at 5k. I was looking for one for my archery development
I have a ZV-1 that I use here... its no substitution for a proper high speed camera. The next video you'll see a short demo on that.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery 👍🏼can’t wait to see your demo.
Have you look for used gear at B&H? They could save you a few bucks while having the confidence that they know their gear?
I may just spend 200 on an RX100 and see if it meets my needs before thinking about 5k on a Chronos
Good luck
Looks like a clicker like this is legal in recurve division? (11.1.4. One draw check indicator, audible, tactile and/or visual may be used provided it is not electric or electronic).
Should be yes, at least on the bottom limb for sure
I've used one on trad bow before wooks great , I now shoot barebow and I'm struggling not with tp as such I think I'm very strong regarding that , but I have a bad pluck out on release and can't solve it , my coach talks about focusing on my back and the release will just happen subconsciously , what do you think ? I think if I'm holding the string I'll just keep holding it until I make a decision to let it go /slip off ,
Aaron Snider (Kirafu) Did a setup video on that clicker for one of his hunting bows.
It is a worthwhile video to check out
Thanks!
I don't know the answer or if there is one, but when do you perfect aids for the bow such that barebow becomes virtually undistinguishable from its fancy, dancy cousin, olympic recurve? For example, I use a dropdown rest and a plunger. Are these deviations from what was the original purpose of barebow? I have a feeling they are, but I will continue to use them. Any thoughts on this abstract consideration?
The answer is pretty straightforward: WA aknowledges 3 disciplines in finger style shooting: olympic recurve, barebow and traditional. Taking away the drop away rest and plunger OR adding sight and stabilizers would remove barebows entire point of existence as it would be indistinguishable from the other 2. You could argue a clicker would put barebow still far enough from trad without giving barebowers the advantage of stabilizers. This however would certainly diminish the importance of olympic recurve and WA is heavily against that idea
Hi Jake. I’m new to archery (1 year in) and have shot exclusively barebow. I am wondering if you’d recommend a limb clicker to a newer shooter who hasn’t used one before? I have been trying to use repeating the same form over and over to combat (or prevent) TP, but I honestly don’t know if I suffer from it or now. The form concentration to prevent TP comes from the book The Art of Barebow Shooting I recently read. Just wondering what your thoughts are. Thank you!
Since these are legal in IFAA, does that mean you'll come shoot NAFAC with us next year?
is it legal on barebow match?
No
I thought about a limb clicker for a bare bow set up.
Very cool concept! I have a question though - what is the thing you 'click' after you nock the arrow? 8:11 for example. Thanks for the great content!
Hi,
Are you just doing this for fun, or are you planning on doing exercises to actually do something against the target panic with this tool?
For fun but I believe this will actually help a lot with my TP
Speaking of clickers squire. Could you maybe do a video on how to adjust a standard blade clicker. I've heard it can be bent to make it a tad louder. Mine is way too quiet for my deaf self to hear.
If you haven't gone into competitions yet, you'll soon discover that teaching yourself to "feel" the click is more effective than hearing the click. With other shooters standing next to you with their clickers sounding off, it can trigger a reaction from you to release before your clicker goes off. My coach had me practice with ear plugs in to learn to feel the click instead of hearing it.
@@oscarmedina1303 I may have an advantage there. I have cochlear implants so all I need to do is switch them off an I hear nothing. My problem here is the clicker doesn't click hard enough to even cause a vibration. I've seen that people bend them but I am weary. I'm coming into recurve from traditional so I don't want to do anything that can damage my new equipment
I love you Jake and I am so thankful for all your videos. Please don't give people idea of adding more stuff to barebow.
I am barebow 100% and would not like to start seeing clickers used on tournaments.
If it was up to me hammer weight would be also out but it's not up to me..
Great video.
Keep them coming.
I suggested a clicker barebow division, I believe it would retain more in barebow and get more competing.
A lower limb clicker should be legal in IFAA Barebow. WA are just happy for people to leave the sport due to target panic. Grip sear and tab sear, feather to nose is a work around but I've developed tension setting those off now. Scott Antzak has a good system for an IFAA legal low limb clicker. Scott's clicker system isnt affected by stringwalking and crawls
Dude I shoot with Scott in Cudahy, WI when I’ve been lucky enough to run into him. His advice to me (a 1 yr in archer) is try to learn without the grip sear if at all possible. Fuckin love Scott though. Such a nice, informative guy.
@@patrickmcnichols8346 yeah he's a top bloke! Really helpful and willing to share his knowledge and experience. I've used grip sear and tab sear in conpetition but found I can get tense when trying to activate the sear under pressure. The sear/Joel Turner ShotIq method has really helped me in competition and under pressure but shooting a full Olympic Recurve setup has been a breeze. It's a more natural shot process to expand through the click.
The thing is to learn to shoot a shot with a process that doesn't include your pin/tip of arrow being on the dot as your stimulus to let her rip.
crazy but i noticed your follow through changed .. more of the olympic style confidence
Do you still experience target panic when you shoot split vision with your longbow?
I shoot instinctive, still don’t understand what split vision is.
And I don’t really have it, but if I was trying to control anything more than “good enough” I’m sure it would creep in hard.
I just cant see that working with string walking
Been there done that. Thankfully all of that is behind me. If you think the limb clicker is fun, wait until you finally decide to put in the work and fix your TP. And let's not hear how you tried and couldn't do it. You spent years and years and countless hours learning to shoot. Spend what it takes over a few months to gain control over your shot cycle.
I hear you again.
I appreciate your helpful suggestions however I believe you underestimate the amount of time I have available and how hard I work outside of what you see in these videos.
When [if] I retire I'll find that time. Till then... I'll just keep telling you it wont work.
20 minutes, three times a week.
if your not shooting competitions anyway just use a normal clicker ;)
I agree. Don't see any need for a limb clicker which seems a bit awkward when added. Just use the tried and true if competition rules are of no consequence.
Pardon my ignorance but can you explain target panic to me ? I simply cannot imagine what you are talking about.
Not allowed in World Archery barebow competitions.
In some kind of competition it's not allowed by rules.
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With as much as you have shot, I am shocked that you still have target panic. I got rid of mine in a few months shooting a compound with a back tension release. I can no longer punch any release or even with a recurve or longbow, I never have any issues of my mind wanting to let the string go before I am settled and ready. You may have to set up a compound and use a two or three finger back tension release, which today everyone calls them hinge releases because they failed at learning how to use them properly. It does not take long to completely brake the habit.
If you do try the compound, don’t listen to your coach. I watched a video of you a year or two ago shooting a compound and some things you had no clue on but that’s what your coach told you. Talk to me. I will tell you how to shoot a compound. I can also shoot a target recurve. When it comes to bare bow like you have there, no. I shoot trad recurves and longbows with nothing on them.
I have shot for years with a compound and actually it was my first bow. I developed TP with a back tension release as we used to call it back in 2000 and haven’t fully kicked it… you never kick it but learn to manage it.
Fixing TP requires a few factors and the compound release is much easier to fix it… it does the work for you and let’s go for you.
Of course, but self expectations in my case are far higher than the score. Knowing what a good [perfect] shot is, when chasing high performance on a world scale doesn’t allow anything less than that… this is basically the root of my TP imho.
No clicker's in Barebow! What's next? Stabilizers? Sights? I love your free tips on TH-cam, but this is NOT good for Barebow.
To each their own, I believe a clicker barebow division at some events would retain more barebow shooters in the long haul and increase participation at events. Myself included come two plus years ago.
I bet this thing is illegal in Barebow competitions in most countries... so only for training purposes.
For sure… I addressed this in the video in short.
Depends on the ruleset. Illegal in the WA Barebow Recurve ruleset but legal in some others.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery illegal in WA, NFAA, IBO, Lancaster, Vegas, ASA, but legal in IFAA field.