AMD and Nvidia Shills fighting each other, I don’t give a shit which company is in the lead as long as it is cheaper and better to us consumers thanks to competition
ive never understood fanboys of a certain brand... both of these companies would run you over with a car if it meant increasing their profit. They could give a fuck about you all they want is your money.
Exactly, I only buy whatever company offers the best price for the performance I need/want. I don't care if it's Intel, AMD or even some other company in the future.
This is fine competition is great because it forces the companies the make better products for the customers. Red team is really tbh a very customer friendly (value per dollar) company.
@@tomvarior5328 I will say regardless of who you use that Asus has changed their warranty information. (I don't really use their hardware but I did with the GPU for this reason) Removing and installing a new cooling solution including water-cooling does not void the warranty as long as your card didn't overheat or short out from liquid damage. A huge bonus for the water-cooling community. Check the warranty for your area before buying one to make sure but a step in the right direction.
@@jrok96 Everyone favors AMD right now; they have absolutely creamed Intel across the board especially when talking about price to performance, and their 400 dollar gpu is trading blows with Nvidia's 550 dollar card. Yeah both intel and nvidia in that instance do get higher frame rates, but not by so much that it justifies a 15-20 percent cost increase. 98 percent of gamers will never be able to afford a 2080 TI, the sweet spot is that 200-400 range, one that AMD is trading blows in so well that it's hard to recommend one over the other. This is coming from someone who has been team Intel and Team Nvidia for the last 12 years. Ryzen is seriously impressive, like revolutionarly impressive, and Radeon is competing at the price levels that 75 percent of gamers will fall in to.
Jerry C please try to understand the concept of price to performance. If one gpu performs better than another that costs the same, is it then a worse gpu because you mean it was "supposed" to compete with a more expensive gpu?
All I’m saying is if your able to even think about comparing cards with relative similarities and a 100 dollar price difference, the cheaper card is obviously pretty good
@Pb J Sure, if the price in your location is the same for the 5700 XT and the 2070 Super, then the Nvidia card is the better buy. But here in Australia, an RTX 2070 was already $100 more expensive than the 5700 XT before its release. Then the Super releases (supposedly to compete with Navi) and instead of Nvidia pricing it the same as the RTX 2070, they just added another $100 on top and left the non-super's price the same. I will not support Nvidia raising their prices on a small intra-generational improvement for no other reason than because they can get away with it. That's why the 5700 XT is my first non Nvidia card in over 10 years (I've had a green team card since the 9600 GT)
"Imagine bragging about being able to enjoy ray-traced reflections at a stable 30 fps on a once 500USD GPU... at 900p" damn, the 1080 guy got a serious 3rd-degree burn lol
30 fps hurts my damn eyes, it plays worse than a console running 30 fps, even if you run vsync, motion blur and lock the monitor and game to 30hz it still sucks smh, shiiet I'm here complaining about 80 to 100fps with Ray tracing on, with a 3440 x 1440 monitor at max settings, I need more than 100 so I usually have to turn it off
@@disaster6467 the higher your monitor refresh rate is set to, the worse running 30fps content will look. I played at 30fps a few times on my 60Hz monitor, and some games you hardly notice it. Some games at 30hz give a more cinematic vibe.
@@vh9network I had to try it, while playing resident evil 3, I lowered the monitor to 60hz and capped the frames to 60 and it looks pretty good as long as you cap the frames, I usually play at 144hz and 110-125fps since that's all my gpu gives me in a 3440 x 1440 resolution max settings, it looks great either way, for shooters I do lower the resolution to gain more fps and turn off vsync
Imagine here you are eating a bowl of delicious ramen with variety of toppings, being told by a chump that his plain ramen with all toppings removed in exchange for adding chilli oil and sesame oil on it is better than yours lol
You not far off, when he did the rx 570 vs 1060 3gb and kept up with it. Funny how people forget that scam of a gpu from Nvidia. This was after they complain after it beat the 1050ti. They were calling for 1070 vs rx 570 cause you know 70 at the end mean their equal lol.
OH MY GOD YOURE SO BIASED AGAINST INTEL GPUS. NOT EVEN COMPARING THE LEGENDARY IRIS PLUS GRAPHICS... it absolutely destroys in price to performance.... smh, nvidia and amd fanboy 🙄
Yeah, it costs like $0, and it gives at least 3fps in any game. That means it has infinite frames per dollar! BEST VALUE GPU EVER! Stupid Nvidia and AMD shills.
To be fair, the Iris graphics on the two broadwell desktop SKUs we got were surprisingly capable, even trading blows with some of AMDs APUs at the time.
I can't believe Intel would sell that garbage for so long. Before that they had Intel HD 3000 and 4000, which were basically an even shittier 310m, and got away with it. Thank fuck AMD's changing the game.
@@gr8b8m85 I would never game on an intel GPU, and I don't have any experience with Iris, but Intel HD 4000 works great for watching youtube videos at basically any resolution you want so it's good enough for a home theater PC in my tests. I realize we aren't talking about the same use case here, I'm just saying that HD 4000 and higher have their benefits in certain situations.
I remember my 380X days: •Freesync not working •game mods not supported •bye bye VR •emulators compatibility = good luck Then I later found out it was a 7970, and a 280X rebadge. AMD Radeon is a lost hope. Good thing they’re absolutely killing it on Ryzen. Fingers cross for Intel Xe become a competitor.
Still having the green screen issue on my 5700xt two days ago. If I get 100 every time I encounter an issue after people said AMD ironed that out I could afford a 2080Ti now.
What a shame i bought recently a 1440p 144hz monitor with RX 5700 XT and i learn now that the right spot is 900p 30hz ??? I could have saved a lot of money....
To that user's credit, he could be working with a very old display. I remember a decade+ ago having a 20" BenQ LCD monitor that was only 1600x900 resolution. This user could be in the same boat, he could have acquired the GTX 1080 used and paired it up with his PC, and despite all of that, he can still experience Ray-Tracing and decent frame-rate for *his setup.* Meanwhile Radeon users you still got no ray-tracing, not even basic DXR software ray-tracing. You can argue either side, because there is no main desirable way to configure a PC/game and find enjoyment from it.
With budget constraints, price is the most important factor when gauging performance. If you get more performance at the same price point, you'll typically get the better performing product.
Fanboys: *"Unfair comparison. The 5700XT is a 2070 competitor"* Also Fanboys: *"You can't compare the 5700XT to the 2070 because they're different price categories."*
@@PartizanenBanditen nvidia cards have like separate memory for things like streaming i cant remember off the top of my head what its called but they are designed to have that advantage lol
Jensen could sell you a ray traced brick made out of shit and that would be the excuse still. I don’t know why people defend 2008 resolutions and frame rates.
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Phil Swift The point being is a non rtx Nvidia gpu can do it somewhat whereas no AMD gpu is doing it at all.
@Mykel Hardin Good God yes. I remember wondering why it was so blurry and put my glasses on and it was still blurry lmao I thought I was going blind already >__
When i want to buy a PC part, i set the budget and then start looking, so my question will be what is the best card i can buy for 400$, the base line should be the price. then you start comparing. saying that the 5700 XT is 2070S competitor is not accurate at all when one cost 100$ more. now if i have unlimited budget my question will be what is the best part i can buy for specific workload. weird how different people perspective can be, am really fortunate that am not a brand loyalist "which should be the norm". Good job, being criticized by both camps is a good thing, it means you are unbiased.
7anti it also depends on what other things that you may do with the computer. Nvdia cards have cuda cores. Cuda cores allow cards like the rtx 2070 super to be very good at rendering. For my personal use case. I would go with nvidia, but that is up to you. This is for the 400 dollar range.
@@Amythestnruby on the 2070s you spend 100$ and get a 100% working (and better) card, meanwhile on the 5700XT it's more of a lotto if you will have issues with it or not. but nobody seems to talk about 5700XT stability and drivers here? and I'm saying this as an 5700XT owner that had to return it.
Ray tracing in modern warfare is pretty good performance wise. I think I’m getting like 80-100 FPS with ultra settings + ray tracing. Granted that’s modern warfare and 1080p but worth sharing I guess
@@tyrantworm7392 I have to say I don't get that. I have the 5700xt and I got it a while ago at $440 CAD. I would be seething mad if I was playing at that FPS and resolution for that price never mind with a more expensive card.
Damn, hearing all those complaints about DLSS 2.0 made thinking how many games out there that supports it?. 2 games and another 2 more in the future. Really?.
@@mayman4255 Cheaper raytracing GPU's will come very soon, but generally GPU prices on PC are royally fucked over and will continue to be. The value of building a PC is gone, you have to have it as a bigger hobby, for most gamers a console is a better choice
Here’s the deal when it comes to the 5700 XT and the 2060 Super: GPU’s aren’t compared by their power to put out frames, they’re compared by they’re compared by PRICE. If the a consumer is looking to buy a new graphics card, at a certain dollar amount, they’re going to buy the one that gives more performance AT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. Example: AMD and intel had the 3900X and the 9900KS CPU’s priced at $500 roughly, a while back. An OVERWHELMING amount of reviewers and TH-camrs always recommended the 3900X because you get MORE performance (in general, for having 4 cores and 8 more threads) for the exact same price. That’s exactly what Steve is saying. He’d get the 5700XT every time because you get more performance for the same price point. Don’t dog him for your inability to comprehend such common sense! Thank you Steve for your great work, and keep it up friend! CHEERS!
The 3900x loses to 9900ks and even the 9700k in gaming, so that's not entirely true. Honestly you really need to care about productivity tasks to consider 3900x if it's priced the same as 9900ks. (Though looking at my local prices, 3900x is slightly cheaper)
Quplas the 3900X loses to those 2 cpus ONLY in gaming! and only in marginal percents that aren’t perceptible, or even relative for for having 4 less cores. Sorry, I’m not paying the same amount of money to get a cpu with 4 less cores, 8 less threads, and 10% better FPS in games at best
Just to let you I own a 2070 super, pretty happy with it.. And is called debate and opinions, those were my thoughts, I could never get upset for something like that... Good luck to you.
It's a joke, right? 😅 I mean... Factually, performance wise, the Rx 5700xt is close to the 2070, while it's close to 2060s price haahha... Which means.... Your recommendation was ehm accurate? [Edited due to incorrect claim]
5700xt isn't exactly 'close' to 2070s as said in the intro, it is in the middle of 2060s and 2070s, it's as close to 2070s as to the 2060s so really, a comparison with either 2060s or 2070s should be good. I mean, it is price considered anyways so
I bought a 5700xt this year because I had £400 to spend and there was two choices. I went for the more powerful card. I must admit the drivers sucked for me until the last couple.
@@guylipscombe2112 I took it for myself after trying it also in the office and after the inglorious death of my 1080 😅, and I had some hiccups too but only in the very first period, from 9/07/19 till the release of the August update with the office builds, since then never had an issue..excluding that wattman still sucks ahahha
@Mareliey well I know about driver issue, and it was good having him not recommending it for that, but again, it's a matter of experience too, except wattman, for example I have not encountered any catastrophic issue such as black screens, freezes and crashes as other people where reporting on reddit and other forums
There are no bad products just bad prices. When will people understand that. If you find X gpu cheaper than Y gpu just buy it, be fanboy of your wallet.
@@nathangamble125 not if you stick to the main vendors.... oh and avoid the blower style cards. But that was stated when AMD released the 5700xt, every review basically said to wait for the AIB partners for a better top-down style cooler. Was good advice then, is good advice now.
Fairly unlikely to ever happen with DLSS as it is now, since it requires TAA samples for its temporal stability which is info not exposed to the GPU driver. Who knows though what Nvidia might end up with adding to the driver anti aliasing wise. I was always fine with at least having the option for FXAA on driver level just in case.
I preordered a 5700xt and since the day it arrived I have never had a single driver issue to speak of. Had no clue that the validity of the 'driver issues' was in question but that makes more sense now...
tbh it really a tough decision because it,s performance vs look if you are not a competitive gamer or you play them but casually with friends, it's a good point to buy 2060s for the rtx if you want to play with a good gfx on 1080p but if you are the fps guy buy 5700XT so as i said its gfx vs fps
@@hamzix6599 Nah, if I turn on RTX fps tanks, why bother with PC at that point? It's 2070s or get something else. 2060s is a scam. It's 5700 XT or 2070s, I want 2070s and up, but my money is tight, so I got a 5700 XT.
What? You dare compare two competing products based on their retail price instead of their arbitrary designation of budget/mid-tier status? What is this, _capitalism?_ >pops monocle
The reason why I love this channel is because you address feedback, and do mini corrections - I will be a subscriber and now a patreon for a long time to come - thank you guys!
i just new here but this content "Replying to Comments" is pretty dope. knowing ppl arguments and how reviewer reply on it are really exciting to know. keep it up !!!
It's a great time to be a PC user. AMD finally has competitive gfx and CPUs - and that helps all AMD/Intel/Nvidia fan boys. There's no longer a defacto 'best in class' - all companies now need to push harder and be more price competitive and we reap the rewards.
Love the content "section title" already embedded in the time line. I don't know if it's a new feature of youtube, but keep using it. Keep up the good job. Love the content.
Any complains relative to RTX is stupid. Next gen RTX cards will have double the RT performance so the 2060 successor will have 2080ti performance (in RT) so considering this generation's ray tracing as futureproof is absolutely wrong
You should be thanking all the toxic commenters for essentially giving twice as much content for the same amount of test... They are doing their worst for your best...
@@lightyagami8645 i'm talking about the consoles that were actually released -- the xbox one, not xbox series x. xbox series x is a "pc" experience actually, in my opinion. it's great to know that we're on the same level now
Lol, raytracing did not even start, just like vr. Any way it will be mainstream will be heavily dependent on the console implementation that comes later this year
Well, Metro exodus, wolfenstein youngblood, Control, COD MW, battlefield V and many others and more to come already using Ray Tracing so Idk what are you talking about, go Google is there for a reason 😔😔😔😒😒
@@RaykingMaster So a couple AAA games and some old af games run a version of raytracing which is a glorified expensive marketing stunt of nvidia. Online shooters having raytracing is a joke. How cyberpunk will implement raytracing will be a lot more interesting. Having a few big titles implement latest expensive stuff is far away from trends or hitting mainstream. VR was very slow but it is starting to spread, RTX will be faster but we don't know shit till we can compare amd variant.
there's many games utilizing rtx in some form; dlss 2.0, dxr, ray tracing or features that are possible because of tensor cores. dlss 2.0 is impressive as hell. better quality AND better performance? yes please. im scared of the ray tracing implementation on consoles, because thats the ONLY reason for dev's wanting to settle with 30 fps again. those cheap-ass APU's won't be able to do it properly.
@@deepaksnandihal6385 its less about being awesome and more about governments being shady over taxing bastards. what gmt didnt say is $250 cheaper means $750 all in or some other dumb amount of money you would consider for a 5700xt
DLSS is in the same situation DX12 was in 2015-2016. AMD would usually dominate in the few DX12 titles against NVidia, but the titles it was supported in could be counted on 1 hand, and you certainly would not buy a card just for the future possibility that it will perform better against the competitor. It's taken about 3 to 4 years (usually the time it takes most people to upgrade) for DX12 to become mainstream, and, in that time, NVidia has optimized their cards for DX12. So, by the time DLSS actually becomes mainstream, AMD will most likely have already had a response for it.
@@Hardwareunboxed Could you do "livestream fanboy bidding", and swap the boxes/mugs/t-shirts/rearrange shelves in real-time during the stream based on the current leader for charity?
I game @ 4K using an RTX 2080ti, I tried using DLSS 1.0 in "Shadow of the Tombraider" & it made the game look horrible very blurry, I suggest disabling DLSS 1.0 in games. I prefer using my native 4k resolution & - the entire reason I spent $630USD on my 4k IPS monitor was to have crisp high resolution textures with no motion blur. I have not tried DLSS 2.0 but I have to say DLSS 1.0 is very bad I don't recommend using it unless you need the extra FPS @ that point you would be better off lowering graphic options & never using DLSS....
Nobody gonna talk about the new time stamps with headlines they are using in this video? I love it gives you a good overview on what information you are interested in :D
Ngl, I myself would pick the 5700 XT over the 2060 Super. While they both cost the same, the AMD would give higher fps while keeping the RAM usage and CPU temperature low, even with an 8th gen Intel Core i7 CPU. It's pretty much a no brainer for me to pick the AMD, really. If I really want to spend my money on an Nvidia RTX card, it has to be either the 2080 Super or the 2080 Ti. At the moment, even the 5700 XT cannot beat those two really powerful Nvidia RTX cards. P.S I could have mention the gargantuan Titan RTX as well, but I personally see no reason of me buying that particular card.
Deliver Us the Moon is a really good game and looks stunning I highly recommend it, the story is awesome and it really transported me into space, it had a soothing effect on me actually. Also, it's one of the best implementations of RT and DLSS achieved by a small developer and is a great example of what can be achieved with Unreal Engine when the devs using it know what they're doing. It's a cheap game and well worth it.
Agreed! It's a neat 3D (point-and-click) adventure game. I dislike how several youtubers have glanced over it just because it's a smaller title, clearly without having even looked it up. Another DLSS 2.0 title is Bright Memory, but that is more of a tech-demo at this point, with a larger game in development (one-man team).
This actually seems to be a huge pro for raytracing, needing less time to get to visual parity with a bigger budget game. Sometimes people seem to forget games are created for profit & indie games although good in gameplay usually don't have the funds to go for great visuals along with the gameplay (or you get something inbetween which is even worse).
Thank you for making AMD acknowledge that there is something wrong with their drivers. I think the pressure from your videos and other tech youtubers made the fix came out somewhat faster.
i feel bad you feel you need to respond to trolls, cos i think most of the community is nice, good chance you won't see this message, but I think you and Tim do great work, and I hope the mean comments don't upset you lads, keep up the great work :)
3:38 - I'm with you, and AMD(?) that made that slide that said RT will be something better to invest into come 2023/2025 IIRC. I need not only the good hardware, but _good_ implementation, wide variety of games with said _good_ implementation, and an affordable price for it too, before I invest into it. That's going to take awhile.
I believe Nvidia made that slide :p AMD's claim regarding RT is that they really like it but they want to implement it when performance hit isn't too big
Unfortunately someone *has* to take the plunge & innovate for progress to happen. Nvidia did because they have the means to do so. If you don't like it don't buy it. However you look at it feature wise AMD *is* behind, probably because they don't have the extras to take big risks.
Everyone appreciates the time you spend on those extensive benchmark sessions, as well as the time you spend reading and replying to comments and general feedback. But please, oh please, don't stress yourself over unreasonable commentary for one simple reason: People will always argue because they 1) are scientifically illiterate thus, they don't understand basic statistics principles or 2) they just want to defend their purchase no matter what. Take care of yourself and spend some free time. We don't want to see exhausted and burned out Steve again, ever. Greetings from sunny and empty GR :)
I've had issues. Using WMR I had black masking in one eye in a number of Radeon releases. Up until 20.2.2 there was a VRAM issue that was killing performance. And Pimax claim AMD is the reason it took so long to get any Pimax support and the reason I still can't use 120hz mode or 65hz mode with the Pimax headset, they might be lying but all these features work with Nvidia cards. Since updating to 20.4.1 my PC locks up when I walk away from my PC after I turn my headset off after gaming in VR, It did not do this with 20.2.2. This requires me to restart my PC.
This is weird for me because the only issue I've ever had is hardware acceleration in chrome but I've never experienced any other issues that you guys have experienced. I came from having a Rx 480 crossfire setup. I had issues with installing drivers as amd started to refuse to support crossfire with later cards. It gave me some headaches and I hate it but I loved my crossfire setup. People say you don't get scaling in almost any games but I beg to differ. All I can say is run ddu, check settings to delete amd GPU driver file and reinstall them. I usually always do that when installing a new GPU and I've never had a problem
@outcasted sushiboi But I also have problems with Pimax and AMD. Also I don't see people mentioning the driver install issue. Updating drivers on my kids Nvidia PC is easy, updating on the AMD machine always means booting into safe mode to use DDU making sure the LAN cable is pulled out until I install Radeon drivers. If I don't do that I'll have additional issues every time.
It made me laugh, i mean the people asking for DLSS 2.0 after the FAILURE DLSS 1.X was... Guys, 2 playable titles after 2 years, you should be thanking AMD for developing CAS (that Nvidia just copy pasted on their freestyle sharpening btw since it was open source)
I mean what is does is quite amazing...Yes it's only in 2 games, which sucks really hard but the performance and quality in those games is really something you should be looking forward to as graphical fidelity increases (it may in fact become necessary someday for lifelike visuals). Its like ray tracing all over again, poor initial implementation and super slow to get better as well. It would be an interesting comparison for sure, but it wouldn't really be a useful one unless it was supported in more popular titles. I won't say its better than native resolution as XIAO has, but it certainly isnt a setting to brush aside with raytracing slowly becoming more popular (very slowly).
@@b-rant I remember people saying similar things about Vulkan and PhysX and that didn't exactly go anywhere. Unless it's supported by AMD and NVIDIA it makes less business sense for developers to bother coding for it. If RT is important to you I think you'd be better off waiting for the RTX 3060, as they said the 2060S is just too weak to properly make use of it.
It's a cool technology but it won't be worth buying into till the ampere consumer cards are out at the very earliest. Buying cards now for dlss or ray tracing right now is foolish because this is basically a tech demo gen for nvida. Ampere is when they stuff will actually be worth investing.
If you're going through the trouble of including DLSS then you might as well throw in Radeon image sharpening and VSR in the benchmarks while you're at it, at this point it's practically the team red alternative.
@@Danuxsy I know they don't work the same, what else is there to compare from AMD, might as well benchmark the gimmicks if we're legitimising DLSS with a benchmark
I am amazed you still take the time to answer these maroons.. But again people don’t listen or see the hole video 😊 but as you point out, “you have the time for it at the moment” God work at great video 😊
Even if you're an Nvidia fanboy, just having AMD back forces them to make better and cheaper products. How the hell is AMD beating Intel AND Nvidia at the same time unless those companies were being lazy to begin with? The next few years are going to be great for PC gamers.
@Rudy I like to troll them if I'm in the mood. my personal rig is a hybrid between AMD and NVIDIA. I don't give a fxxk about loyalty when it comes to pc-parts. I just pick what suits my build. (Edit) I really hope that AMD can bring NVIDIA down to earth with RDNA2. It would benefit us all. Peace and stay healthy, all of you!
Great update. Enjoyed the original video. The price to performance comparison is exactly why they should be compared. Why spend an extra $100-150 for just an 6-9% performance improvement?
The 5700XT and the 2060 Super are basically the same price, in fact the 5700XT can be had for slightly cheaper right now. Seems like a fair comparison to me.
Well in Finland rx is 439e I bought gtx for 360e, I had hd 7970 for 6 years so I wanted Geforce, 300euros is good top price for GPU, of course daddy buys fortnite players wanna 888 euros gpu so can play 4K 888 fps
@@Dr.WhetFarts Yes, they work differently but they have the same result. The only real difference is that RIS upscales with regular computing while DLSS with AI. Also 80% res + RIS Is almost the same as native (Steve made a video on that around october last year) ad the quality loss Is comparable to that of DLSS
The worst you can do is to apologize to those idiots, we like your content and we really trust in your reviews, look at how many likes and unlikes you have, there's your answer. Haters gonna hate, no matter what you do or say, let them rot in their venom
Dude turn around and take a look at the shelf behind you. You have some great hardware from both AMD and intel, if anyone calls you a fan boy the chances are he/she is jealous. I know I am. You have a nice channel and hope you reach 500k soon.
"Also possible that AMD will come up with their own DLSS-like technology" I might be behind, but I thought RIS (Radeon Imagine Sharpening) had good reviews?
Isn't RIS AMDs alternative for now when you combine it with resolution scaling? I use it on my htpc/tv-gaming PC and I'm really happy with it down to like 80% (75% in resident evil still looks very nice) resolution. I just broke my rx570 and had to revert to my 7870 and it's still surprisingly usable with above mentioned technique
Hey, I played Deliver Us the Moon. I was actually surprised when I saw tech channels had started to benchmark it. I didn't know it was a powerhouse game when it came to graphics; I just thought it was a fun indie game.
I usually never comment on a video involving tech because reviewers are decent enough to explain everything in a logical manner , I believe your video content is also included . There are some hateful people in the internet so just ignore any negative comments and kerp up the good work
I've been having issues with AMD driver's since the release of the 5700xt and thanks to you and the techtube community AMD wouldn't have given the issues much attention.
@@gamingwraith yes, the best version so far is 20.2.2. I haven't had any issues for a month compared to before where I used to have tons of black screens and bsods
They made a freaking polls so you they can see who is having problems. You can find it on their patreon account without premium. It's open for everyone. And also on TH-cam too but it's hard to find atm. They are only 2 person in maybe 10.000 + sales and that makes %0.02 percent no issues. Do you think amd would care about %0.02 percent and call it a good day? They need money. They are in heavy debts still. Before they act like NVIDIA or INTEL they need to make profits. Steve & Tim were the only people that I become patreon of. Because of their truthfulness. If they a mistake even on a sponsored content they remove it or say (don't watch this there is a updated one, etc.). They are freaking gods of benchmarking. LTT or GN also nice channels but HWU is godlike compared to their testing.
I really appreciate the "Replying to Comments..." videos...possibly more than the videos they're in reference to. I find it so intriguing, as a casual observer of human psychology, that people can watch the same video and have completely different takeaways from it (i.e. Nvidia shill vs AMD shill comments). I always find myself thinking at the end of your videos, just how unbiased you are in your reporting. Hmm...maybe that's MY confirmation bias. 😁
You used Kyle as a reference? Come one bro, everyone knows Lyle taught Kyle everything he knows and there's a massive gap between the 2 in just general intelligence.
AMD and Nvidia Shills fighting each other, I don’t give a shit which company is in the lead as long as it is cheaper and better to us consumers thanks to competition
i dont really care witch one win aslong give more fps right now is the 2080 ti sticky to it till 3080 ti or maybe big navi D
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ive never understood fanboys of a certain brand... both of these companies would run you over with a car if it meant increasing their profit. They could give a fuck about you all they want is your money.
Exactly, I only buy whatever company offers the best price for the performance I need/want. I don't care if it's Intel, AMD or even some other company in the future.
This is fine competition is great because it forces the companies the make better products for the customers. Red team is really tbh a very customer friendly (value per dollar) company.
The fact that both AMD fanboys and Nvidia fanboys were pissed shows you posted an unbiased review. Congratulations.😂😂😂
yeah one person says he smells green and the other one saying you always promote the 5700Xt
thats what he was aiming for with this video. however,its no secret he favors amd. right?
@@tomvarior5328 I will say regardless of who you use that Asus has changed their warranty information. (I don't really use their hardware but I did with the GPU for this reason) Removing and installing a new cooling solution including water-cooling does not void the warranty as long as your card didn't overheat or short out from liquid damage. A huge bonus for the water-cooling community. Check the warranty for your area before buying one to make sure but a step in the right direction.
I agree. If you manage to get both camps mad, you did something very right!
Fanboys Are super singleminded.
@@jrok96 Everyone favors AMD right now; they have absolutely creamed Intel across the board especially when talking about price to performance, and their 400 dollar gpu is trading blows with Nvidia's 550 dollar card. Yeah both intel and nvidia in that instance do get higher frame rates, but not by so much that it justifies a 15-20 percent cost increase. 98 percent of gamers will never be able to afford a 2080 TI, the sweet spot is that 200-400 range, one that AMD is trading blows in so well that it's hard to recommend one over the other.
This is coming from someone who has been team Intel and Team Nvidia for the last 12 years. Ryzen is seriously impressive, like revolutionarly impressive, and Radeon is competing at the price levels that 75 percent of gamers will fall in to.
to much blue in the background, Intel Shill Confirmed
*too
Not to mention the blue hood!!! :-)
Andrei Bolohan you must be fun at parties
@@PunkBat lmfao 💀
@@PunkBat Yes, yes I am
Imagine being such a clown that you think it's unfair to compare two GPUs that are the exact same MSRP
First world problems. 🤦♂️
I think the 5700 xt is also 20 bucks cheaper
Jerry C please try to understand the concept of price to performance. If one gpu performs better than another that costs the same, is it then a worse gpu because you mean it was "supposed" to compete with a more expensive gpu?
@Jerry C who hurt you as a child
Jerry C you’re wrong
if steve compared RX 5700 xt with RTX 2070s, the question would be "why you compare $400 card with $500 card?"
All I’m saying is if your able to even think about comparing cards with relative similarities and a 100 dollar price difference, the cheaper card is obviously pretty good
@Nightmare it was 499 msrp back in 2018 on release...
@Pb J Sure, if the price in your location is the same for the 5700 XT and the 2070 Super, then the Nvidia card is the better buy. But here in Australia, an RTX 2070 was already $100 more expensive than the 5700 XT before its release. Then the Super releases (supposedly to compete with Navi) and instead of Nvidia pricing it the same as the RTX 2070, they just added another $100 on top and left the non-super's price the same.
I will not support Nvidia raising their prices on a small intra-generational improvement for no other reason than because they can get away with it. That's why the 5700 XT is my first non Nvidia card in over 10 years (I've had a green team card since the 9600 GT)
@Benchmark Heaven c'mon don't make green one look worse because it already worst
James Smith isn’t the xt 380 and the 2060 super 400?
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Steve is an nvidia shill
And an AMD one too
For the love of god
Enable DLSS
Gamers rejoice
For 900p at 30fps!
Legendary ♥️
♥️
i laughed
900p at 30fps you're easy to please 😏
This comments needs to be pinned :)) genius.
Apparently you're an nvidia fanboy and paid TH-camr by AMD..... at the same time. Completely unbiased then. Good job Steve!
Well u gotta get all the money mate 🤣🤣
this channel has always been known to lean towards amd. Dont think thats a secret is it?
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@jrok96 well AMD has better price/performance than Nvidia and Intel
@@ItssMitch yeah i remember those days aswell. the good ole days.
"Imagine bragging about being able to enjoy ray-traced reflections at a stable 30 fps on a once 500USD GPU... at 900p" damn, the 1080 guy got a serious 3rd-degree burn lol
Dude all you can do with those kind of ppl is "smh"
30 fps hurts my damn eyes, it plays worse than a console running 30 fps, even if you run vsync, motion blur and lock the monitor and game to 30hz it still sucks smh, shiiet I'm here complaining about 80 to 100fps with Ray tracing on, with a 3440 x 1440 monitor at max settings, I need more than 100 so I usually have to turn it off
@@disaster6467 the higher your monitor refresh rate is set to, the worse running 30fps content will look. I played at 30fps a few times on my 60Hz monitor, and some games you hardly notice it. Some games at 30hz give a more cinematic vibe.
@@vh9network true people think I'm trolling when I complain about 50nfps on my 240hz monitor but they don't understand how choppy it looks for me
@@vh9network I had to try it, while playing resident evil 3, I lowered the monitor to 60hz and capped the frames to 60 and it looks pretty good as long as you cap the frames, I usually play at 144hz and 110-125fps since that's all my gpu gives me in a 3440 x 1440 resolution max settings, it looks great either way, for shooters I do lower the resolution to gain more fps and turn off vsync
900p 30 fps! This is a legendary comment. Needs to be binned somewhere! Ahahahahahahaha!
looooooooooooooooooooooooool soooo true bruh
do you have also intel hd?
Console gamers
"Forget 60fps plus at 1440p, 900p with 30fps is apparently just fine, as long as you’ve gone absolutely ham with the reflections."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
seems like I've been playing wrong all this time, 900p is the future after all
Imagine here you are eating a bowl of delicious ramen with variety of toppings, being told by a chump that his plain ramen with all toppings removed in exchange for adding chilli oil and sesame oil on it is better than yours lol
I guess he don't know what DLSS 2.0 is. raytracing 1440p 60fps is already here. th-cam.com/video/YWIKzRhYZm4/w-d-xo.html
The sad thing is I was just trying to play Shadow of Tomb Raider today and was around there in performance lol.
"I can run Crysis MAX SETTINGS at 360p & 13 fps on my 8800GT" the more things change, the more things stay the same.
Some of these comments are absolute gold, fair play to you Steve for putting up with these children!
Why not 480p and 60 fps ;)
Steve bad man! Hates blue and green!
@@cavegoblin101 Steve hates all colours, ever since he turned into a poorly calibrated monitor.
Such AMD shills! Everyone knows that you should have compared the RX 550 to the RTX 2080Ti.
You not far off, when he did the rx 570 vs 1060 3gb and kept up with it. Funny how people forget that scam of a gpu from Nvidia. This was after they complain after it beat the 1050ti. They were calling for 1070 vs rx 570 cause you know 70 at the end mean their equal lol.
🤣🤣
You AMD shill, that's not a fair comparison. A Radeon 630 or RX 640 is a much more fair comparison!
Or the Radeon VII to the GT 710
@@ItssMitch YES! Both seven series GPUs!!!
How does he keep such a straight face while roasting these ppl so hard?
When he said "disgruntled", that was hilarious 😂
Dry sarcasm is an Aussie dialect. He has much practice.
@@morgank.1249 it's very much Australian. Love the channel for this reason, grew up with it and feels close to home.
The GTX 1080 guy playing at 900p/30 is really living his best life lol. I love that energy.
Jason Andrews lol no. He’s not.
OH MY GOD YOURE SO BIASED AGAINST INTEL GPUS. NOT EVEN COMPARING THE LEGENDARY IRIS PLUS GRAPHICS... it absolutely destroys in price to performance.... smh, nvidia and amd fanboy 🙄
Yeah, it costs like $0, and it gives at least 3fps in any game. That means it has infinite frames per dollar! BEST VALUE GPU EVER! Stupid Nvidia and AMD shills.
To be fair, the Iris graphics on the two broadwell desktop SKUs we got were surprisingly capable, even trading blows with some of AMDs APUs at the time.
I can't believe Intel would sell that garbage for so long. Before that they had Intel HD 3000 and 4000, which were basically an even shittier 310m, and got away with it. Thank fuck AMD's changing the game.
@@gr8b8m85 I would never game on an intel GPU, and I don't have any experience with Iris, but Intel HD 4000 works great for watching youtube videos at basically any resolution you want so it's good enough for a home theater PC in my tests. I realize we aren't talking about the same use case here, I'm just saying that HD 4000 and higher have their benefits in certain situations.
intel has failed joining Cyrix lol
I have experienced absolutely zero AMD driver issues and don’t even have an AMD card.
Thx for the laugh 😄
One does not AMD, before they A M D
I remember my 380X days:
•Freesync not working
•game mods not supported
•bye bye VR
•emulators compatibility = good luck
Then I later found out it was a 7970, and a 280X rebadge.
AMD Radeon is a lost hope. Good thing they’re absolutely killing it on Ryzen.
Fingers cross for Intel Xe become a competitor.
lmao
Still having the green screen issue on my 5700xt two days ago.
If I get 100 every time I encounter an issue after people said AMD ironed that out I could afford a 2080Ti now.
What a shame i bought recently a 1440p 144hz monitor with RX 5700 XT and i learn now that the right spot is 900p 30hz ??? I could have saved a lot of money....
B-but, you can turn on MAX SETTINGS MAX DETAILS ALL TOGGLES ON WITH RTX ON 😍😍😍. If you went Nvidia, of course.
@@silentKeys20 r/wooosh
@@Shubh_decides2 Bro, I think he's being sarcastic.
To that user's credit, he could be working with a very old display. I remember a decade+ ago having a 20" BenQ LCD monitor that was only 1600x900 resolution.
This user could be in the same boat, he could have acquired the GTX 1080 used and paired it up with his PC,
and despite all of that, he can still experience Ray-Tracing and decent frame-rate for *his setup.* Meanwhile Radeon users you still got no ray-tracing, not even basic DXR software ray-tracing.
You can argue either side, because there is no main desirable way to configure a PC/game and find enjoyment from it.
I'm so 2008 you're so two thousand and late; get you an old 900p trinitron booooooooi
"even on my gtx 1080 i have enabled all rt effects on control in 900p resolution I am getting stable 30fps"
*uproarious laughter*
and he is peddling on his bicycle to power it all up hahaha what a joke
can the 1000 series even run ray tracing? running at 30 fps at 900p is just... ouch. ew
@@ExarchGaming yes it can but only on the software level
That just shows the Stupididy of that guy. He seriously thinks, that 900p w rtx is better at 30fps than 4k on 60...
I wouldn't be proud about 30fps
Comparing at price point I’m my opinion always the number 1 priority. If something comparable costs 100$ more then prices needs adjusted.
Cursed Owls Gaming adjusment*
@@hadifelani adjustment*
With budget constraints, price is the most important factor when gauging performance. If you get more performance at the same price point, you'll typically get the better performing product.
@@PregnantFreddyKrueger apparently fanboys are immune to reason and budget constraints.
@@rasaecnai Fanboys can be seen as atypical
Fanboys: *"Unfair comparison. The 5700XT is a 2070 competitor"*
Also Fanboys: *"You can't compare the 5700XT to the 2070 because they're different price categories."*
Its not. 2070 cost lot of more money at 5700XT
You can compare both because they have something similar, the 2060super is at a similar price point and the 2070super is similar at the power is has
I tired to stream on 5700xt and 2060 was much better. Just sayin
@@PartizanenBanditen nvidia cards have like separate memory for things like streaming i cant remember off the top of my head what its called but they are designed to have that advantage lol
@ AMD was always 1 step behind Nvidia.
I haven't laughed that much in a while. Stable 30 fps at 900p, sign me up please!
Jensen could sell you a ray traced brick made out of shit and that would be the excuse still. I don’t know why people defend 2008 resolutions and frame rates.
Phil Swift
The point being is a non rtx Nvidia gpu can do it somewhat whereas no AMD gpu is doing it at all.
@ i spotted a nvidia fanboy right here guys
@ and what kind ofnpoint would that be? Would you really play a game at that kind of performance?
@Mykel Hardin Good God yes. I remember wondering why it was so blurry and put my glasses on and it was still blurry lmao I thought I was going blind already >__
"Steve is an Nvidia fanboy"
*has a 5700xt in his personal rig and daughter's rig*
That's what he says. You think if you were him you wouldn't have a 2080ti in your rig lol ?
@@MrDutch1e if i was him i would've went with a rtx 2070 super
@@thewinner4x873 Wrong. You would clearly go with a 3DFX Voodoo 2 y'shill
Hey, if you don't test things you can't say bad things about them.
@@lucash6888 oh yeah sorry, i totally forgot about that. To make up for it, i will even go with the lego edition one
When i want to buy a PC part, i set the budget and then start looking, so my question will be what is the best card i can buy for 400$, the base line should be the price. then you start comparing. saying that the 5700 XT is 2070S competitor is not accurate at all when one cost 100$ more.
now if i have unlimited budget my question will be what is the best part i can buy for specific workload.
weird how different people perspective can be, am really fortunate that am not a brand loyalist "which should be the norm".
Good job, being criticized by both camps is a good thing, it means you are unbiased.
7anti it also depends on what other things that you may do with the computer. Nvdia cards have cuda cores. Cuda cores allow cards like the rtx 2070 super to be very good at rendering. For my personal use case. I would go with nvidia, but that is up to you. This is for the 400 dollar range.
7anti for an unlimited budget. You should probably get something in the 2080 spec. Base súper or ti. Ti is the best but it’s also very expensive.
7anti you should also consider the sales tax.
@@Amythestnruby on the 2070s you spend 100$ and get a 100% working (and better) card, meanwhile on the 5700XT it's more of a lotto if you will have issues with it or not. but nobody seems to talk about 5700XT stability and drivers here? and I'm saying this as an 5700XT owner that had to return it.
@@gbner9991 14:00
Dlss on 900p at 30fps. Man that's gotta be so worth it 😂
Who knew the original Xbox One had the right idea the whole time. Who needs higher resolution and fps, 900p and 30 fps is the sweet spot.
Didn't have to do him like that😭🤣🤣🤣
So when can we expect raytracing benchmarks at 900p? I need to know which games I can play at a silky smooth 30fps!
You can play Control at 1440p (DLSS 2.0) at 80fps+ fully raytraced th-cam.com/video/g7QHOoGcjos/w-d-xo.html
@@Danuxsy that's a freaking 2080ti, we are talking about 2060 super here. thats 3x the price.
Ray tracing in modern warfare is pretty good performance wise. I think I’m getting like 80-100 FPS with ultra settings + ray tracing. Granted that’s modern warfare and 1080p but worth sharing I guess
Eugene Manugas well with 2060s and dlss 2.0 you can get 60 in control
"RIP AMD" - Intel/Nvidia Fanboy
"RIP Intel" - AMD Fanboy
"RIP Nvidia" - AMD/Intel Fanboy
Intel / AMD fanboy... Currently endangered species
Rip all - qualcomm to rule the world
@@kama2106 truest thing I've heard all day
Are there AMD/Intel fanboys?
Fix* “RIP intel” - AMD/Nvidia fanboy.
To be truth i am amd/nvidia fanboy....=)) every systems i built lately alway was amd cpu and nvidia gpu.
lmfao that drgci guy was seething
unironically thinks memetracing and 900p 30fps is good
Imagine being satisfied with 900p 30fps on a 1080 lmao
The dude is clearly running at subpar processing speed. 30fps may be all his tiny mind can cope with?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
and he is peddling on his bicycle to power it all up hahaha what a joke
@@tyrantworm7392 I have to say I don't get that. I have the 5700xt and I got it a while ago at $440 CAD. I would be seething mad if I was playing at that FPS and resolution for that price never mind with a more expensive card.
Damn, hearing all those complaints about DLSS 2.0 made thinking how many games out there that supports it?.
2 games and another 2 more in the future. Really?.
cyberpunk 2077 will be the real test if ray tracing and dlss will stay or vanish
@@hamzix6599 By the time that game comes out, Console laucnh AAA games will be around the corner and show of raytracing for cheap
@@wile123456 What if you don't want to buy a console?
@@mayman4255 enjoy the available choice on the pc market, thats guaranteed to lose hardware wise for the 1st 2 yrs of a console
@@mayman4255 Cheaper raytracing GPU's will come very soon, but generally GPU prices on PC are royally fucked over and will continue to be. The value of building a PC is gone, you have to have it as a bigger hobby, for most gamers a console is a better choice
"You just can't win on the internet"
Here’s the deal when it comes to the 5700 XT and the 2060 Super: GPU’s aren’t compared by their power to put out frames, they’re compared by they’re compared by PRICE. If the a consumer is looking to buy a new graphics card, at a certain dollar amount, they’re going to buy the one that gives more performance AT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. Example: AMD and intel had the 3900X and the 9900KS CPU’s priced at $500 roughly, a while back. An OVERWHELMING amount of reviewers and TH-camrs always recommended the 3900X because you get MORE performance (in general, for having 4 cores and 8 more threads) for the exact same price. That’s exactly what Steve is saying. He’d get the 5700XT every time because you get more performance for the same price point. Don’t dog him for your inability to comprehend such common sense! Thank you Steve for your great work, and keep it up friend! CHEERS!
ikr...
Those extrimist, I bet they are someone who don't even know the price of staple food.
The 3900x loses to 9900ks and even the 9700k in gaming, so that's not entirely true. Honestly you really need to care about productivity tasks to consider 3900x if it's priced the same as 9900ks. (Though looking at my local prices, 3900x is slightly cheaper)
Quplas the 3900X loses to those 2 cpus ONLY in gaming! and only in marginal percents that aren’t perceptible, or even relative for for having 4 less cores. Sorry, I’m not paying the same amount of money to get a cpu with 4 less cores, 8 less threads, and 10% better FPS in games at best
Ray was clearly upset, as he thought you were saying there was no future for him and the 2060S that he's clearly wedded to.
Only 22 likes..alot of idiot s didn't get ur joke
Just to let you I own a 2070 super, pretty happy with it.. And is called debate and opinions, those were my thoughts, I could never get upset for something like that... Good luck to you.
@@SpaceRanger187 69 now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@RaykingMaster Damn, you really are a butthurt fanboy.
Also a creepy stalker now, as it seems. Yikes!
It's a joke, right? 😅 I mean... Factually, performance wise, the Rx 5700xt is close to the 2070, while it's close to 2060s price haahha... Which means.... Your recommendation was ehm accurate?
[Edited due to incorrect claim]
5700xt isn't exactly 'close' to 2070s as said in the intro, it is in the middle of 2060s and 2070s, it's as close to 2070s as to the 2060s so really, a comparison with either 2060s or 2070s should be good. I mean, it is price considered anyways so
I bought a 5700xt this year because I had £400 to spend and there was two choices. I went for the more powerful card. I must admit the drivers sucked for me until the last couple.
It's closer to the RTX2070 (non-super). Atleast the 106-400A chip 2070's.
@@guylipscombe2112 I took it for myself after trying it also in the office and after the inglorious death of my 1080 😅, and I had some hiccups too but only in the very first period, from 9/07/19 till the release of the August update with the office builds, since then never had an issue..excluding that wattman still sucks ahahha
@Mareliey well I know about driver issue, and it was good having him not recommending it for that, but again, it's a matter of experience too, except wattman, for example I have not encountered any catastrophic issue such as black screens, freezes and crashes as other people where reporting on reddit and other forums
There are no bad products just bad prices. When will people understand that. If you find X gpu cheaper than Y gpu just buy it, be fanboy of your wallet.
I'd argue that there are bad products - like hardware that's so badly made it catches fire.
@@nathangamble125 I remember nvidia's GTX 480.
@@nathangamble125 not if you stick to the main vendors.... oh and avoid the blower style cards. But that was stated when AMD released the 5700xt, every review basically said to wait for the AIB partners for a better top-down style cooler. Was good advice then, is good advice now.
I would like to introduce you to the "PSU" that is just a metal casing with concrete filling inside...
@@x3roxide Actually, it's bad advice to instantly dismiss blowers. Some are better than others and it can be a good fit for some cases.
DLSS would be a great feature if it could be enabled on driver level instead of having to be implemented in games by the developer.
Fairly unlikely to ever happen with DLSS as it is now, since it requires TAA samples for its temporal stability which is info not exposed to the GPU driver.
Who knows though what Nvidia might end up with adding to the driver anti aliasing wise. I was always fine with at least having the option for FXAA on driver level just in case.
Mark Jacobs with my 1 year + of owning a 2070 I never used ray tracing not even to try it out
@@LunarStrike damn, not even a screenshot?
@@MLWJ1993 aged liked milk
With DLDSR, assuming a game has resolution scaling, it kinda ... can be enabled at a driver level.
I preordered a 5700xt and since the day it arrived I have never had a single driver issue to speak of. Had no clue that the validity of the 'driver issues' was in question but that makes more sense now...
Damn these nvidia fanboys can't seem to accept that 5700 XT is faster for the same price.
tbh it really a tough decision because it,s performance vs look if you are not a competitive gamer or you play them but casually with friends, it's a good point to buy 2060s for the rtx if you want to play with a good gfx on 1080p but if you are the fps guy buy 5700XT so as i said its gfx vs fps
@@hamzix6599 Nah, if I turn on RTX fps tanks, why bother with PC at that point? It's 2070s or get something else. 2060s is a scam. It's 5700 XT or 2070s, I want 2070s and up, but my money is tight, so I got a 5700 XT.
@@averagegamer848 ray tracing in rtx 2600 is a scam
@@MrJlaklak is rtx on 2060s bad ? because i plan to buy a one
@@hamzix6599 nah it's decent play at 1080p high detail with rtx.
What? You dare compare two competing products based on their retail price instead of their arbitrary designation of budget/mid-tier status? What is this, _capitalism?_
>pops monocle
The reason why I love this channel is because you address feedback, and do mini corrections - I will be a subscriber and now a patreon for a long time to come - thank you guys!
I wouldn’t say he’s doing any “corrections” here but yeah he’s definitely addressing “feedback” from some not so smart individuals lol.
"I can't be biased, because I'm paid by both"
We're on to you Steve.
(If it needs adding, this was sarcasm)
Both? Implying he doesn't shill for Intel 🤔
@@MLWJ1993 He's probably shilling ARM too.
@@nextlifeonearth that confirms it, harbour unboxed consists entirely of paid actors!
Plot twist: he's paid by Intel to make both companies look bad, so team blue will have better conditions when entering the market!
i just new here but this content "Replying to Comments" is pretty dope. knowing ppl arguments and how reviewer reply on it are really exciting to know. keep it up !!!
It's a great time to be a PC user. AMD finally has competitive gfx and CPUs - and that helps all AMD/Intel/Nvidia fan boys. There's no longer a defacto 'best in class' - all companies now need to push harder and be more price competitive and we reap the rewards.
I have a cool coin name for AMD. Codename:
MADHAT
Taking the 3 words from AMD then, Hyper Assembled Tensors
Love the "Hmm" bit. :D Made me smile. :)
You know you're in the middle of the road when you get hit by both sides!
I genuinely appreciate how thorough and detailed your videos are. You are one of the best hardware reviewers on youtube.
love this type of response videos. hat off to you!
Comparing performance of 2 gpu’s with the same MSRP. Madness! 🤔😁
How dare Steve compare GPU's with the same price and not the same numbers!! 20(7)0s vs 5(7)00xt!! 😤
Missed opportunity making YT built-in timestamps with 0:00 - Replying to crying babies.
900p 30fps, as long as reflections are on... i'm dead
Love the content "section title" already embedded in the time line. I don't know if it's a new feature of youtube, but keep using it. Keep up the good job. Love the content.
Any complains relative to RTX is stupid. Next gen RTX cards will have double the RT performance so the 2060 successor will have 2080ti performance (in RT) so considering this generation's ray tracing as futureproof is absolutely wrong
That video index timestamp thing is dope i like it :)
You should be thanking all the toxic commenters for essentially giving twice as much content for the same amount of test... They are doing their worst for your best...
Well, that's a positive (and toxicity cleansing) way of looking at it. Nice.
You guys are awesome. never biased at all, numbers don't lie, you are reporting the facts and gently as well. Keep up the good work. Cheers guys.
greate feed from down under, I always love to watch ya from above Hamburg, Germany
900p 30fps, this guy wants the real console experience huh? lmao
nah, console would be 720p30fps on minimum settings
@@bananya6020 what...... what are you smoking ? Or you are living under a tree ?
XSX literally ran Gears 5 4k 100 with ray tracing
@@lightyagami8645 i'm talking about the consoles that were actually released -- the xbox one, not xbox series x. xbox series x is a "pc" experience actually, in my opinion. it's great to know that we're on the same level now
Lol, raytracing did not even start, just like vr. Any way it will be mainstream will be heavily dependent on the console implementation that comes later this year
Well, Metro exodus, wolfenstein youngblood, Control, COD MW, battlefield V and many others and more to come already using Ray Tracing so Idk what are you talking about, go Google is there for a reason 😔😔😔😒😒
@@RaykingMaster So a couple AAA games and some old af games run a version of raytracing which is a glorified expensive marketing stunt of nvidia. Online shooters having raytracing is a joke. How cyberpunk will implement raytracing will be a lot more interesting. Having a few big titles implement latest expensive stuff is far away from trends or hitting mainstream. VR was very slow but it is starting to spread, RTX will be faster but we don't know shit till we can compare amd variant.
there's many games utilizing rtx in some form; dlss 2.0, dxr, ray tracing or features that are possible because of tensor cores. dlss 2.0 is impressive as hell. better quality AND better performance? yes please. im scared of the ray tracing implementation on consoles, because thats the ONLY reason for dev's wanting to settle with 30 fps again. those cheap-ass APU's won't be able to do it properly.
Thanks for the RX 5700 XT vs RTX 2060 super love you guys and your work keep it up
In my country the 5700XT is $250 cheaper than a 2060S, and same with everything intel
@@deepaksnandihal6385 Australia
@@deepaksnandihal6385 its less about being awesome and more about governments being shady over taxing bastards. what gmt didnt say is $250 cheaper means $750 all in or some other dumb amount of money you would consider for a 5700xt
@@stephenhartley2853 So now the Australian Government are AMD shills cmon dude...
@Jerry C That statement sounds very elitist
@Jerry C budget build tier garbage? what kind of drugs are you on Jerry?
no driver issues here, been using the RX5700XT since April 8th 2020 no driver issues at all.
DLSS is in the same situation DX12 was in 2015-2016. AMD would usually dominate in the few DX12 titles against NVidia, but the titles it was supported in could be counted on 1 hand, and you certainly would not buy a card just for the future possibility that it will perform better against the competitor. It's taken about 3 to 4 years (usually the time it takes most people to upgrade) for DX12 to become mainstream, and, in that time, NVidia has optimized their cards for DX12. So, by the time DLSS actually becomes mainstream, AMD will most likely have already had a response for it.
Steve, you know you're doing it right when your named as "shills" for either company. It just means your balanced.
...as all things should be!
Must be hard to keep track of who you are shilling for since apparently that changes every week, sometimes by the day.
It's the most time consuming element of the job ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed Could you do "livestream fanboy bidding", and swap the boxes/mugs/t-shirts/rearrange shelves in real-time during the stream based on the current leader for charity?
Timothy Matthews I thought it was by the minute which explained why he kept looking to his right to check if it had changed 😂😂😂😂
I game @ 4K using an RTX 2080ti, I tried using DLSS 1.0 in "Shadow of the Tombraider" & it made the game look horrible very blurry, I suggest disabling DLSS 1.0 in games. I prefer using my native 4k resolution & - the entire reason I spent $630USD on my 4k IPS monitor was to have crisp high resolution textures with no motion blur. I have not tried DLSS 2.0 but I have to say DLSS 1.0 is very bad I don't recommend using it unless you need the extra FPS @ that point you would be better off lowering graphic options & never using DLSS....
Dlss 2.0 is significantly better than 1.0, still needs improvement but it's at a point where its harder to tell you're using dlss now.
Nobody gonna talk about the new time stamps with headlines they are using in this video?
I love it gives you a good overview on what information you are interested in :D
Ngl, I myself would pick the 5700 XT over the 2060 Super. While they both cost the same, the AMD would give higher fps while keeping the RAM usage and CPU temperature low, even with an 8th gen Intel Core i7 CPU. It's pretty much a no brainer for me to pick the AMD, really.
If I really want to spend my money on an Nvidia RTX card, it has to be either the 2080 Super or the 2080 Ti. At the moment, even the 5700 XT cannot beat those two really powerful Nvidia RTX cards.
P.S I could have mention the gargantuan Titan RTX as well, but I personally see no reason of me buying that particular card.
900p resolution? This was for sure a troll... xD
Deliver Us the Moon is a really good game and looks stunning I highly recommend it, the story is awesome and it really transported me into space, it had a soothing effect on me actually. Also, it's one of the best implementations of RT and DLSS achieved by a small developer and is a great example of what can be achieved with Unreal Engine when the devs using it know what they're doing. It's a cheap game and well worth it.
Agreed! It's a neat 3D (point-and-click) adventure game. I dislike how several youtubers have glanced over it just because it's a smaller title, clearly without having even looked it up.
Another DLSS 2.0 title is Bright Memory, but that is more of a tech-demo at this point, with a larger game in development (one-man team).
This actually seems to be a huge pro for raytracing, needing less time to get to visual parity with a bigger budget game. Sometimes people seem to forget games are created for profit & indie games although good in gameplay usually don't have the funds to go for great visuals along with the gameplay (or you get something inbetween which is even worse).
Thank you for making AMD acknowledge that there is something wrong with their drivers.
I think the pressure from your videos and other tech youtubers made the fix came out somewhat faster.
For sure the TH-cam tech community got my gpu fixed, thanks guys
i feel bad you feel you need to respond to trolls, cos i think most of the community is nice, good chance you won't see this message, but I think you and Tim do great work, and I hope the mean comments don't upset you lads, keep up the great work :)
The thumbnail! Ouch! Man that would have hurt Steve as hardworking and honest guy he is. 😔
I feel you man.
3:38 - I'm with you, and AMD(?) that made that slide that said RT will be something better to invest into come 2023/2025 IIRC.
I need not only the good hardware, but _good_ implementation, wide variety of games with said _good_ implementation, and an affordable price for it too, before I invest into it. That's going to take awhile.
I believe Nvidia made that slide :p
AMD's claim regarding RT is that they really like it but they want to implement it when performance hit isn't too big
Unfortunately someone *has* to take the plunge & innovate for progress to happen. Nvidia did because they have the means to do so. If you don't like it don't buy it. However you look at it feature wise AMD *is* behind, probably because they don't have the extras to take big risks.
Love these salty fanboys. Keep up triggering these morons Steve. Love your work!
Well that's what you get in a random comment section
Everyone appreciates the time you spend on those extensive benchmark sessions, as well as the time you spend reading and replying to comments and general feedback. But please, oh please, don't stress yourself over unreasonable commentary for one simple reason: People will always argue because they 1) are scientifically illiterate thus, they don't understand basic statistics principles or 2) they just want to defend their purchase no matter what.
Take care of yourself and spend some free time. We don't want to see exhausted and burned out Steve again, ever.
Greetings from sunny and empty GR :)
Fair play for doing this and listening to constructing feedback and putting the trolls in their places.
At this price, if you want rtx, get a 2060 super. If you don't want it, get the 5700XT. That's it.
I personally have no issues with drivers on my 5700 XT.
I've had issues. Using WMR I had black masking in one eye in a number of Radeon releases. Up until 20.2.2 there was a VRAM issue that was killing performance. And Pimax claim AMD is the reason it took so long to get any Pimax support and the reason I still can't use 120hz mode or 65hz mode with the Pimax headset, they might be lying but all these features work with Nvidia cards. Since updating to 20.4.1 my PC locks up when I walk away from my PC after I turn my headset off after gaming in VR, It did not do this with 20.2.2. This requires me to restart my PC.
This is weird for me because the only issue I've ever had is hardware acceleration in chrome but I've never experienced any other issues that you guys have experienced. I came from having a Rx 480 crossfire setup. I had issues with installing drivers as amd started to refuse to support crossfire with later cards. It gave me some headaches and I hate it but I loved my crossfire setup. People say you don't get scaling in almost any games but I beg to differ. All I can say is run ddu, check settings to delete amd GPU driver file and reinstall them. I usually always do that when installing a new GPU and I've never had a problem
@Zwenk Wiel I think.. maybe since mid January. It was couple months or so after the cards were released
@outcasted sushiboi But I also have problems with Pimax and AMD. Also I don't see people mentioning the driver install issue. Updating drivers on my kids Nvidia PC is easy, updating on the AMD machine always means booting into safe mode to use DDU making sure the LAN cable is pulled out until I install Radeon drivers. If I don't do that I'll have additional issues every time.
I plannes to build my rig by the end of may. Do you think it will be a good idea to buy 5700xt or should i pick 2060s instead
It made me laugh, i mean the people asking for DLSS 2.0 after the FAILURE DLSS 1.X was... Guys, 2 playable titles after 2 years, you should be thanking AMD for developing CAS (that Nvidia just copy pasted on their freestyle sharpening btw since it was open source)
DLSS 2.0 is amazing, much better image quality with 30% fps improvement, it is even better than native resolution sometimes.
I mean what is does is quite amazing...Yes it's only in 2 games, which sucks really hard but the performance and quality in those games is really something you should be looking forward to as graphical fidelity increases (it may in fact become necessary someday for lifelike visuals). Its like ray tracing all over again, poor initial implementation and super slow to get better as well. It would be an interesting comparison for sure, but it wouldn't really be a useful one unless it was supported in more popular titles.
I won't say its better than native resolution as XIAO has, but it certainly isnt a setting to brush aside with raytracing slowly becoming more popular (very slowly).
@@b-rant I remember people saying similar things about Vulkan and PhysX and that didn't exactly go anywhere. Unless it's supported by AMD and NVIDIA it makes less business sense for developers to bother coding for it. If RT is important to you I think you'd be better off waiting for the RTX 3060, as they said the 2060S is just too weak to properly make use of it.
It's a cool technology but it won't be worth buying into till the ampere consumer cards are out at the very earliest. Buying cards now for dlss or ray tracing right now is foolish because this is basically a tech demo gen for nvida. Ampere is when they stuff will actually be worth investing.
If you're going through the trouble of including DLSS then you might as well throw in Radeon image sharpening and VSR in the benchmarks while you're at it, at this point it's practically the team red alternative.
The difference is it works in most games!
So that means in games that dont support DLSS one should compare RIS against no DLSS I guess..
The Radeon image sharpening isn't as good and its not about scaling games
DLSS 2.0 is not image sharpening imao, it reconstruct most of the image using AI and it looks even better than native resolution in some cases.
Completely different things.
@@Danuxsy I know they don't work the same, what else is there to compare from AMD, might as well benchmark the gimmicks if we're legitimising DLSS with a benchmark
I can't understand why people can't figure out that it is based on price. If my price is 400 why am I going to compare a 380 card to 550 card?
I am amazed you still take the time to answer these maroons.. But again people don’t listen or see the hole video 😊 but as you point out, “you have the time for it at the moment” God work at great video 😊
I knew this was gonna happen. Let them fanboys fight each other I say, while we level-headed folks just sit back and bring out the popcorn!
Chips is much better.
Even if you're an Nvidia fanboy, just having AMD back forces them to make better and cheaper products.
How the hell is AMD beating Intel AND Nvidia at the same time unless those companies were being lazy to begin with? The next few years are going to be great for PC gamers.
@lucky strike Next gen cpu's and gpu's are going to be sick.
@Rudy I like to troll them if I'm in the mood.
my personal rig is a hybrid between AMD and NVIDIA. I don't give a fxxk about loyalty when it comes
to pc-parts. I just pick what suits my build.
(Edit) I really hope that AMD can bring NVIDIA down to earth with RDNA2.
It would benefit us all.
Peace and stay healthy, all of you!
900p @30fps... WUT
Great update. Enjoyed the original video. The price to performance comparison is exactly why they should be compared. Why spend an extra $100-150 for just an 6-9% performance improvement?
The 5700XT and the 2060 Super are basically the same price, in fact the 5700XT can be had for slightly cheaper right now. Seems like a fair comparison to me.
Well in Finland rx is 439e I bought gtx for 360e, I had hd 7970 for 6 years so I wanted Geforce, 300euros is good top price for GPU, of course daddy buys fortnite players wanna 888 euros gpu so can play 4K 888 fps
Well... this is awkward. We’re wearing the same thing.
No pants? Me too!
Cavegoblin EXTREME When people ask me why I don’t use a phone case I tell them: my phone goes as I go: commando!
Wait, if you test with DLSS shouldn't you also test with 80% resolution+ RIS on Radeon GPUs?
dlss 2.0 and ris is not the same. 80% rs + ris = worse quality than 100% without ris.
@@Dr.WhetFarts Yes, they work differently but they have the same result. The only real difference is that RIS upscales with regular computing while DLSS with AI. Also 80% res + RIS Is almost the same as native (Steve made a video on that around october last year) ad the quality loss Is comparable to that of DLSS
@@maverickvgc4220 There is no comparison, DLSS 2.0 is far beyond anything AMD has at the moment: th-cam.com/video/YWIKzRhYZm4/w-d-xo.html
I know a Hardware Unboxed Shill when I see one! You can't fool us Steve!
I see salt when I see it
Hardware Unboxed are Nvidia shills, while Harbour Unboxed are AMD shills, its sometimes hard to tell them apart cause australians all look alike.
@@nosferatu5 Does that mean hammer on box is the Intel shill? 🤔
I kinda lost track here.
The worst you can do is to apologize to those idiots, we like your content and we really trust in your reviews, look at how many likes and unlikes you have, there's your answer.
Haters gonna hate, no matter what you do or say, let them rot in their venom
Dude turn around and take a look at the shelf behind you. You have some great hardware from both AMD and intel, if anyone calls you a fan boy the chances are he/she is jealous. I know I am. You have a nice channel and hope you reach 500k soon.
"Also possible that AMD will come up with their own DLSS-like technology" I might be behind, but I thought RIS (Radeon Imagine Sharpening) had good reviews?
😂😂
It has but it is not comparable to how dlss works
Isn't RIS AMDs alternative for now when you combine it with resolution scaling?
I use it on my htpc/tv-gaming PC and I'm really happy with it down to like 80% (75% in resident evil still looks very nice) resolution. I just broke my rx570 and had to revert to my 7870 and it's still surprisingly usable with above mentioned technique
Steve is such an nvidia shill who's paid by AMD to shill intel products, it's just disgusting tbh.
🤣 I can't tell what's trolling or serious any longer lol
Hey, I played Deliver Us the Moon. I was actually surprised when I saw tech channels had started to benchmark it. I didn't know it was a powerhouse game when it came to graphics; I just thought it was a fun indie game.
I usually never comment on a video involving tech because reviewers are decent enough to explain everything in a logical manner , I believe your video content is also included . There are some hateful people in the internet so just ignore any negative comments and kerp up the good work
Saw the thumbnail, this will be gold
I've been having issues with AMD driver's since the release of the 5700xt and thanks to you and the techtube community AMD wouldn't have given the issues much attention.
games geek well did it get fixed yet???
@@gamingwraith yes, the best version so far is 20.2.2. I haven't had any issues for a month compared to before where I used to have tons of black screens and bsods
They made a freaking polls so you they can see who is having problems. You can find it on their patreon account without premium. It's open for everyone. And also on TH-cam too but it's hard to find atm. They are only 2 person in maybe 10.000 + sales and that makes %0.02 percent no issues. Do you think amd would care about %0.02 percent and call it a good day? They need money. They are in heavy debts still. Before they act like NVIDIA or INTEL they need to make profits. Steve & Tim were the only people that I become patreon of. Because of their truthfulness. If they a mistake even on a sponsored content they remove it or say (don't watch this there is a updated one, etc.). They are freaking gods of benchmarking. LTT or GN also nice channels but HWU is godlike compared to their testing.
I still having issues with my 5700.
I really appreciate the "Replying to Comments..." videos...possibly more than the videos they're in reference to. I find it so intriguing, as a casual observer of human psychology, that people can watch the same video and have completely different takeaways from it (i.e. Nvidia shill vs AMD shill comments). I always find myself thinking at the end of your videos, just how unbiased you are in your reporting. Hmm...maybe that's MY confirmation bias. 😁
It's great that you guys are taking TH-cam comments seriously. It makes for fun content, keep it up!
You used Kyle as a reference? Come one bro, everyone knows Lyle taught Kyle everything he knows and there's a massive gap between the 2 in just general intelligence.