Me casually listening to the video in the background: "well, my old 3770K might actually be a bit of a bottleneck to a 2070Super if used for 1080p..." Also me after noticing it's the 3700X they're talking about: "excuse me what the actual frick".
Haha same here... Lucky im not a great gamer just need to update my old GTX970 (running also on 3770k) for Redshift and 3d ... Still enough for Warcraft lol.
This is why I always run my 1080ti @ 720p on a 1440p monitor. Because I while I love Doom Eternal I really want it to look like Mario in 400fps damnit.
Like the section "Userbenchmark Is Garbage". Just out of curiosity, when did the ability to put timestamps in the time bar come out? I swear I've never seen that before this video.
@Lord Frieza You're joking? That's not how latency works. Higher latency will depress performance where memory (and cache) access is heavily utilized. It will not create a bottleneck. There are no mobile GPU's which are fast enough to bottleneck the 4900HS processor outside of old and intentionally GPU-light games (like CS:GO).
@@ahmadzabeer983 Why would you suggest that, when I clearly addressed the last line of his comment? Perhaps neither you nor him understand the concept of a bottleneck?
@@TrueThanny Did you, did you not read the last part of his comment? Does read more not appear for you? If so, he was being sarcastic. He's saying that there are no laptops with higher tier gpus with amd cpus not because it's a bottleneck, but because there aren't enough designs by manufacturers.
User Benchmark ? More like The Onion Benchmark ! To say they are jaded Intel fanboys would be a big understatement. Pretty funny to see that even people that work with tech can display such ridiculous behaviour.
I think intel employees will feel shame with that kind of claim. This level of stupidity is beyond intel or amd. Kind of remind me of game reviewer that don't even play the game
@@winnieid2727 More likely paid by Intel, and they may even be regretting their decision after seeing how obvious they were at shilling, not even trying to pretend that they weren't absurdly biased.
''UserBenchmark Is Garbage'' Every time when I see userbenchmark posted in r/overclock I cringe uncontrollably, but I hold back my cringe, and tell them to use a real benchmark, not everyone got the notice, had to stay calm.
Userbenchmark drew the first blood by calling HUB an "Objectively incompetent smearers" That gives HUB the right to fight back and throw shade whenever there's a reason to.
the sad thing is, i know someone in a forum who thinks that userbenchmark.com is the best website for hardware O.o. telling him that that website is biased falls on deaf ears.
@@TheGyuuula they do, that's how they get their numbers. what they probably do is run the processors like 3700x under passive heatsink while running i3's on ln2 and clocked high af, like (un)principled technologies
@@bananya6020 They are complying user-submitted data, they don't do the benchmarks themselves. They got some flak the last time, because they changed their CPU performance score to favor single threaded performance, the only metric intel CPUs have advantage. But their raw numbers are just fine. Based on leaks, Ryzen 4000 processors might beat intel in every dimension. I wonder what will usersbenchmark do then? :D
There is this at userbench site in the brief on the 3700x " The heavily hyped 3700X offers real world gaming performance comparable to the $80 USD entry level 4-core, 4-thread Intel Core i3-9100F" lol
You know what, I'm happy with the awesome gaming performance on my zen 2 cpu but I hope zen 3 takes the gaming crown just to see what appears on userbench, I'm sure they'd word it to make intel sound better even if it wasn't compared to Zen 3 lol
@@Checkout17 one thing is that u are happy with that. And other saying that 4c are the same as 8 of the most recent cpu architecture in the market. Is like saying the new mercedez is fine but buy the old suzuki
IMO, the biggest selling point of the GTX 1650 over, say, the GTX 1650 Super is the power consumption. At 75W TDP you can power the GPU over the PCIe slot. The Streacom DB4 is a completely fanless case the supports passively cooling up to a 75W GPU. The GTX 1650 is the most powerful GPU in that power envelope, that is why, IMO, it should not be discontinued even if it is indeed poor value for money.
Oh man, such a shame I'm so heavily bottle-necked with even my 3800x and 5700xt. 90% usage and 35% usage... Wait, no. I read that wrong. cpu 35% gpu 90% ...huh
Wait....my 3700x has been bottlenecking my 2080 ti this entire time!? Thanks, UserBenchMark Staffer! My silly lying eyes had me fooled, and those 60+ FPS @ 4K ultra on-screen stats....wait.....does that mean nvidia is in on this too? The plot thickens...
I think that the "UserBenchmark Is Garbage" section of this News Cornered should be a little more elaborated, specially taking into account that new members and less experienced viewers might find it to be a somewhat bold statement with little to no proof. I'm not saying it is a bold statement, I'm just saying that the combination of surprise and foreign shame faces with a trash UserBenchmark review can be confusing when the viewer doesn't know exactly why the review is that bad. And since the video has a strong informative purpose, I think that the addition of a couple of objective arguments explaining why the viewer should not trust this site would be very beneficial. I'm just saying all of this because I love this channel, and when I watched this video with my brother (who isn't as informed about PCs as me or you) he didn't understand a thing of why UserBenchmark is so bad, so I thought other viewers might have had the same problem. Keep up with the good work!
this userbenchmark post, brought to you and paid by Chief Performance Strategist Ryan Shrout, really takes the cake in term of coping with reality. heck, you cant make this s*#t up even if you try really really hard. he's in for a rude awakening when he realizes that AMDs 8c/16t U-series chips draw less power at idle than intels Ultrabook 2c chips. please keep us updated on this user, this is first class comedy.
Glad to see you talk about userbenchmark. When I was a shiny new didn't know anything aspiring pc enthusiast my google searches frequently took me to their website and I didn't know any better. Definitely need to spread awareness for the newbies that userbenchmark is trash.
He might be right on the calim that the 9350k beats AMD in 5 of todays most popular games. Unfortunately today's most popular games are from like 2015.
As somebody new to this "game", I appreciate somebody pointing out the discrepancies on User Benchmark. I was really shocked to see their eFPS calculation but now I know it is just fake.
Kudos to you guys for the bar separation thing, it is so neat and nice! I always liked GN timestamps but you guys just blew out of the water with this!
I agree. Computex was for B550 and Ryzen 4000 APUs based on Zen2 and Vega. Though I find it kinda odd that AMD would choose to put that off even longer - unless there was a delay in manufacturing somewhere.
As a 3700X owner I now know where I've gone wrong. Thank's Tim, I'm going straight to Ebay to replace my CPU and motherboard. Looking forward to seeing those FPS numbers climb to the sky! Wooossshh!! #Relief #CluelessBenchmark
The thing about the GTX 1650 GDDR6 is that it's an improvement from the GDDR5 model, not a downgrade like most low end cards where they use DDR3/4 and GDDR5, the GT 1030 being an example. So really if people look at benchmarks of the original GDDR5 model, and get the GDDR6 model, they will just get a higher performing card. i don't think this will matter much
I think UserBenchmark are still stuck in 2012 and haven't bothered testing any AMD cpu's since the "8 core" FX fiasko and assuming that Intel is still way ahead. Maybe testing with old games that can't utilize more than 4c/4t? Or just complete Intel bias. Could be all three though
between Nvidia and intel naming selling / reviewing / talking about hardware will be a pain in the ass Even more if you are making the pc of a friend that know nothing about hardware
I've always liked userbenchmark for the ability to test my own system against... my own system. It's a neat way of quickly getting an overview of how setting changes affect your system performance. I've also always been acutely aware of it's shortcomings. Usersubmitted data, even with very big datasets are... troublesome to say the least, and their tests are really bad at cross-brand comparisons, especially with regards to GPU's, since AMD and NVidia have radically different architectures. I still used it though, because I figured that knowing the limitations, it was still useful to me. But holy hell it seems the creators of that site have no understanding of their own tools limitations, and just hate anyone who points them out... Honestly think I'll just stop using it if they can't stop smearing people who ALWAYS speak based on their test results and ALWAYs conider the limitations of their testing methodology.
Userbench seem like some people there are actually intel schills or hard out fanboys. Adds perspective to the change to their scoring system they changed when Zen2 launched.
I know the overall ratings of userbenchmark are rubbish but is there another way to compare thousand of CPUs against each other? I used it extensively while shopping for a second hand netbook. Where else can you compare an Intel celeron N3350 to an i3 350M?
Its not even good for comparing intel CPUs to other intel CPUs. The ranking system skews to lower core processors. Most of the time i3 > i7 on UserBSmarks
Meh. That opinion of this UserBenchmark guy is clearly bs but I'll still use UserBenchmarks test values and draw my own conclusions. The numerical results still line up with other reviewers. In contrast to most other sites they actually have numbers for all different sorts of low end CPUs and GPUs making for a nice complete data set.
"UserBenchmark: is definitely a garbage website, I remember testing my system & it saying: I had like a 33% cpu bottleneck & also saying I needed 32GB of ram(system memory) because I used an RTX 2080ti @ 4k. Alot of miss-information on that website...
I can't feed enough intel cpus to my overclocked Ryzen 3900x, it demands more and more intel cpus every day raping every hertz of them in benchmarks and not giving a sweat even... :(
That statement on UserBenchmark was terrible for the first 90% of it, but when they went to "moar cores" thing it evolved into an unbelievably grotesque parody. It's impossible for me to believe someone wrote that.
The sad thing is, many people who are not very "techy" will use UserBenchmark as reference, since their SEO almost always put them on top in Google searches.
User benchmark says the 3970X is "effectively" only 0.4% faster than the 9600K. These guys are clearly nuts and are I can't fathom how someone would say that except by working behind huge paychecks. Can we break their site or something? They should NEVER exist, ever. cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-3970X/4031vsm970030
It's been said before, some people want/need a video card that does not exceeds 75 W. It's become more difficult for NVDIA to source GDDR5, so a quiet move to GDDR6 for the 1650 makes sense.
I was watching this in the background and not paying attention and the userbenchmark silence reacting to the comment got my attention, I've not had this good of a laugh since the human malware began spreading internationally, thanks guys, I really needed it.
I know its sort of lackluster, but no one did a raytracing benchmark between the 2060 Super and 2070 non super... I would love to see if those extra cores do make a difference at the same(or factory) clock speeds on something with RTX options. (And maybe a 2070 Super vs 2080 non super in raytracing??)
Awesome. Thanks a mill Tim. Have been looking forward to a new "News Corner". Hope you guys are well and safe and I will catch you on the next one👍 EDIT: Bloody UserBenchmark🤦♂️So, my 3700x must be super duper severely bottlenecking my 2080s then, I'll be sure to let my 3700x know😉
@Clorox Tree I actually made an open offer in another comment here for a trade. 9100k/f for my 3700x. lol. Real gaming power awaits😉Seems the 9100k/f must be amazing, no one wants to swap or no one actually bought one, lol.
Whoa, these new intregrated timestamps are amazing! Reminds me of some other site... On another note, I think the only reason they keep the 1650 around is because it only needs PCI-E power. Even if it's a niche use case.
To clarify "Gamers should pair the 9100F with a Z390 motherboard and unlock higher XMP RAM speeds" is BS. "3700X offers real world gaming performance comparable to the $80 USD entry level 4-core, 4-thread Intel Core i3-9100F" is BS^2. "9400F deliver better gaming performance in nearly all of today’s popular games (vs 3600)" is BS, and it's missing an s on delivers. BEING FAIR, they recommend using NVENC rather than getting a high core count CPU, which (I think, please correct if I'm wrong) makes sense for a streamer on a budget.
Fair. £54 for a cheap H310 MB vs £105 for cheapest Z390 is a minimum £51 premium for the fancy chipset. That's 73% of a £70 quadcore, vs 37% of a £137 hexacore, so it makes a bit more sense there. Another gem here from fuamd.userjokesandlarks.com , "early benchmarks for the 1300X just pip the 7350K to the post but results in specific games will depend on the extent to which the game is able to use more than two processing cores simultaneously". This sums up there "philosophy" perfectly. Even in 2017, Intel's mid to high end processors had been using 4 cores for 7 years, XB1 and PS4 had been using 8 thread x86 processors for 4 years, AMD had been offering 6 and 8 thread processors as its main products for 6 years and AMD had just brought out a new, fully scalable architecture, with 8 cores and 16 threads on desktop and instructions per thread worryingly close to Intel. The writing was on the wall for dual core. But you never know, the end user might be playing Quake Live : )
Not sure about latency stuff but I saw how consistent the max, average & low FPS graph in ZEN 2 (Zen 2 more stable in FPS counter while Intel has a higher heartbeat like graph)
Seriously at this point AMD can take a break on the CPU side...they have humiliated existing and future unreleased yet Intel products. let the Market observe the existing amazing Ryzen 3000 CPUs for at least the rest of the year. The Radeon Department on the other side should give us an RDNA 2.0 Dekstop GPU soon 😇 and they should focus now to put Ryzen APUs in all laptop manufacturers.
Johnnyxp64 They need to keep moving, or it’ll all be for nothing. Really hope we can get 7nm desktop APUs soon, but guessing we’ll have to wait for the 4000 desktop CPUs.
@@emlyndewar Ryzen 3xxxx desktop APUs ofcourse will come before any dekstop 4000 cpus. but I don't know why are you so interested in that :) for laptops makes sense... for desktop for me personally... nuh... i will always want dedicated gpu
Johnnyxp64 3000 already there. Always a generation behind for desktop APUs. ITX all the way for me. I’ve got a smaller system with dedicated GPU, but living room PC, size is king.
@@emlyndewar yeah the number is wrong... but when I say 3000APU i mean 7nm zen2 APU just like the 3000dekstop. they need to keep the damn numbers the same. as for living room pc... there are a tone of small and cool and powerful solutions to build with AMD... there is a guy doing just that. APU for living room will limit your gaming choice. the only "problem" is how deep you can out your hand in that pocket of yours. the ITX ans SF cost a bit more. 🙄
Hi, can you please explain liquid metal on copper. i am confused. how can i tell if i am 100% coper or mixed? and what exactly happens if its naked copper? and how often do you need to re-apply liquid metal? i want to apply liquid metal. is the razer blade 2019 heatsink 100% naked copper?
You know... I have never even read the "Overviews" of products on UserBenchmark, I've only ever used it to look at benchmark comparisons between GPUs or CPUs. Considering they get the data from people like us who run the benchmarks on our own PCs, which is automatically calculated, I trust the data they have on the site... But those Overviews... They are pure gold. I'll continue to use them for the data, and for a laugh from time to time. At least for now.
If all these 1650 cards were low profile they actually might have a place. So many old HP and dell desktops for sale on Amazon using 3rd and 4th gen intel CPUs this could breath life into if they were to fit.
I'm extremely upset they killed StoreMi. I've done several budget builds with a B450 board and cheap NVME SSD for caching. SSD caching is no replacement for a big fast SSD, but it allows for SSD speeds 95% of the time. A 4TB HDD + 250GB NVME is still substantially cheaper than a 2TB SATA SSD.
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So..., User Benchmark staffer confirmed to be on Intel payroll.
doubtful, just an obnoxious fan of Intel I'd say.
It's been like that for a while, honestly.
Yeah, just a language butthurt intel fanboy would use
money talks
We knew that as soon as they said the i5 9400 is better then a threadripper 3990x and they did the same for all the previous threadrippers
Me casually listening to the video in the background: "well, my old 3770K might actually be a bit of a bottleneck to a 2070Super if used for 1080p..."
Also me after noticing it's the 3700X they're talking about: "excuse me what the actual frick".
Haha same here... Lucky im not a great gamer just need to update my old GTX970 (running also on 3770k) for Redshift and 3d ... Still enough for Warcraft lol.
Yeh at 1080p the bottleneck is usually the CPU for high frame rates gamers want.
This is why I always run my 1080ti @ 720p on a 1440p monitor. Because I while I love Doom Eternal I really want it to look like Mario in 400fps damnit.
Sandy bridge is a MAJOR bottleneck now a days for a 2070 Super at 144hz at 60hz its fine
1440p is waaaay better anyways. 1080 looks like dog
Sounds like the Verge and UserBenchmark need to do a collab.
Great idea--UserBenchmark can choose the parts and The Verge can assemble it.
What name should they choose for collab? TheVergeBenchmark or TheVergeUser?
@@matrixfull VergeMark. Or given the validity of the advice such a collaboration might arguably provide, how about SkidMark?
Now we know where intel spent their 3 billions dollars to fight against AMD.
cannot wait for the intel super 10 gen 14nm fk lake cpus
@@jason008007 fk lake? What does it stand for, Fake Lake? :D
Like the section "Userbenchmark Is Garbage".
Just out of curiosity, when did the ability to put timestamps in the time bar come out? I swear I've never seen that before this video.
Today is the first day I've seen it.
What now? Where do you see that? :O
@@Alexandra-Rex In the timeline, next to the duration of the video. The progressbar is also split into sections. Very neat!
@@Winnetou17 It works on my firefox, but not on my chrome. weird.
Cool feature, i like it
11:12 so good 😂
But for real though, what? Those guys continue to embarrass themselves and it's absolutely hilarious. Perfect Dunning-Kruger case study.
@Lord Frieza You're joking? That's not how latency works. Higher latency will depress performance where memory (and cache) access is heavily utilized. It will not create a bottleneck.
There are no mobile GPU's which are fast enough to bottleneck the 4900HS processor outside of old and intentionally GPU-light games (like CS:GO).
@@TrueThanny You might want to read the bottom part of his comment
@@ahmadzabeer983 Why would you suggest that, when I clearly addressed the last line of his comment? Perhaps neither you nor him understand the concept of a bottleneck?
@@TrueThanny Did you, did you not read the last part of his comment? Does read more not appear for you? If so, he was being sarcastic. He's saying that there are no laptops with higher tier gpus with amd cpus not because it's a bottleneck, but because there aren't enough designs by manufacturers.
The embarrassing statement... a product of fanboyism or just gross incompetence?
Is it too much to ask for both?
It's bloody hilarious ha ha🤣😂
I'd be like OK mate ill test it myself n get back to ya.
🙄🤔😏😅🤣🔙
Ionut Daniel Serban Apparently... Not at all, in this case
I'd say both
or schill
User Benchmark ?
More like The Onion Benchmark !
To say they are jaded Intel fanboys would be a big understatement.
Pretty funny to see that even people that work with tech can display such ridiculous behaviour.
No one knows if the site is under Intel HQ and made by Intel employees
I think intel employees will feel shame with that kind of claim. This level of stupidity is beyond intel or amd.
Kind of remind me of game reviewer that don't even play the game
@@winnieid2727 hahaha
Ppl will do disgusting things! for the right amount of money.
@@winnieid2727 More likely paid by Intel, and they may even be regretting their decision after seeing how obvious they were at shilling, not even trying to pretend that they weren't absurdly biased.
UserBenchmark with Intel "Dead Inside"
At 11:12 Tim: *Confusion intensified*
I was first confused then just laughed
13:23
Last part is priceless, thanks for the laugh Tim.
New youtube player with checkpoints ?
First time I see it. What a welcome change.
They finally caught up to porn sites ××
chrome only?
can't see them on firefox.
@@R0B711 I'm on firefox & I have them.
@@0rrchids ok, then maybe I´ll just give yt a few more hours to roll it out to everyone.
@@R0B711 I had a firefox update today on my pc and this works
Userbenchmarks clearly has Intel inside
Can we stop giving Digitimes attention please? They literally make up everything for clicks.
Ehh
@Wojciech Szeler everyone is doing the rumors news now... this is the Paradise of Intel...
Yea I'm sick of it to..
@Wojciech Szeler yeah gamermeld sucks balls. Looking for news but leave annoyed from 10 minutes of bullshit
@@420f37 how so? He reports on news, and rumors, but doesn't put it as facts.
''UserBenchmark Is Garbage''
Every time when I see userbenchmark posted in r/overclock I cringe uncontrollably, but I hold back my cringe, and tell them to use a real benchmark, not everyone got the notice, had to stay calm.
It's a reliable sources for many on the Intel sub tho.
13:10 Tim throwing more shade than an entire national forest. Glorious.
Userbenchmark drew the first blood by calling HUB an "Objectively incompetent smearers"
That gives HUB the right to fight back and throw shade whenever there's a reason to.
MemeBenchmark at it again putting Intel CPUs on a pedestal.
18 dislikes from the guys at userbenchmark.com :D
Userbenchmark... pops up way to much, makes google feel like bing
Google is the cancer that keeps on killing.
Userbenchmark is hard to avoid with search engines but sometimes I use both DuckDuckGo and google and that helps giving varied results.
@@dennyroozeboom4795 DuckDuckGo is based on bing...
nice knowing that my 3700X holds back my 2080 despite it being utilized at 99% while gaming. /s
@Salt Maker downclocked to 600 mhz lel
@@CommanderTato those are rookie numbers. I underclocked my ram to 1300hz. Yeah my computer never turned on, but its pOsSiBlE.
Next year, they would say 4950X will bottleneck gtx1650 🤣🤣🤣
Your 3950x is bottlenecking your PCI Riva TNT2
Yes... yes of course!
And in bold *DO NOT BUY AMD IT IS GARBAGE, INTEL 4 CORES AND 100 C IS ALL YOU NEED!!!!!*
@@kumbandit *BIGGER IS BETTER UNLESS IT IS ABOUT CORES*
Where did these new fandangle titles in the video player come from?
I thought I was losing my mind for a second. I noticed that and went to look at other videos, but I've not seen it on any other video.
New TH-cam feature for timestamps 👍
New features maybe :/
it's fun addition to discuss different topics in 1 video...
We noticed it when we uploaded. Pretty neat I reckon
@@Hardwareunboxed Yea that is really a neat feature especially if it's all completely automated.
the sad thing is, i know someone in a forum who thinks that userbenchmark.com is the best website for hardware O.o.
telling him that that website is biased falls on deaf ears.
At least they don't falsify their benchmark data, as far as I know...
@@TheGyuuula they do, that's how they get their numbers. what they probably do is run the processors like 3700x under passive heatsink while running i3's on ln2 and clocked high af, like (un)principled technologies
@@bananya6020 They are complying user-submitted data, they don't do the benchmarks themselves.
They got some flak the last time, because they changed their CPU performance score to favor single threaded performance, the only metric intel CPUs have advantage. But their raw numbers are just fine.
Based on leaks, Ryzen 4000 processors might beat intel in every dimension. I wonder what will usersbenchmark do then? :D
@@TheGyuuula imagine if they started factoring user votes into overall bench but if you voted for amd your ip would be blacklisted from their website
There is this at userbench site in the brief on the 3700x
" The heavily hyped 3700X offers real world gaming performance comparable to the $80 USD entry level 4-core, 4-thread Intel Core i3-9100F"
lol
First time I read that I went "excuse me what in tarnation."
i saw intel presentation multiple times and they keep using this "real world" nonsense lmao
You know what, I'm happy with the awesome gaming performance on my zen 2 cpu but I hope zen 3 takes the gaming crown just to see what appears on userbench, I'm sure they'd word it to make intel sound better even if it wasn't compared to Zen 3 lol
I have i5 7600K 4c/4t and still happy ;)
@@Checkout17 one thing is that u are happy with that. And other saying that 4c are the same as 8 of the most recent cpu architecture in the market.
Is like saying the new mercedez is fine but buy the old suzuki
IMO, the biggest selling point of the GTX 1650 over, say, the GTX 1650 Super is the power consumption. At 75W TDP you can power the GPU over the PCIe slot. The Streacom DB4 is a completely fanless case the supports passively cooling up to a 75W GPU. The GTX 1650 is the most powerful GPU in that power envelope, that is why, IMO, it should not be discontinued even if it is indeed poor value for money.
Just realized the seek bar has sections?!?!
Neat.
IKR, I had to double check I was in the SFW part of the internet.
It's SO cool.
yeah a cool new feature from the youtube team
Sometime they do good
yeah wtf, big change and a welcome one
Not seeing IT :(
Oh man, such a shame I'm so heavily bottle-necked with even my 3800x and 5700xt. 90% usage and 35% usage...
Wait, no. I read that wrong. cpu 35% gpu 90%
...huh
Wait....my 3700x has been bottlenecking my 2080 ti this entire time!? Thanks, UserBenchMark Staffer! My silly lying eyes had me fooled, and those 60+ FPS @ 4K ultra on-screen stats....wait.....does that mean nvidia is in on this too? The plot thickens...
If X670 boards have done away with a fan on the chipset and Zen 3 has a nice performace increase 10-20% take all my money AMD
I think that the "UserBenchmark Is Garbage" section of this News Cornered should be a little more elaborated, specially taking into account that new members and less experienced viewers might find it to be a somewhat bold statement with little to no proof. I'm not saying it is a bold statement, I'm just saying that the combination of surprise and foreign shame faces with a trash UserBenchmark review can be confusing when the viewer doesn't know exactly why the review is that bad. And since the video has a strong informative purpose, I think that the addition of a couple of objective arguments explaining why the viewer should not trust this site would be very beneficial.
I'm just saying all of this because I love this channel, and when I watched this video with my brother (who isn't as informed about PCs as me or you) he didn't understand a thing of why UserBenchmark is so bad, so I thought other viewers might have had the same problem. Keep up with the good work!
Wow I knew the User Benchmark numbers were skewed to Intel but with statements like that I don't think I should even be opening the website anymore.
My congratulations to Tim for keeping a straight face st the end there, well done sir
well atleast we know where the employee
from the verge vent.... good luck UserBenchmark :D :D :D
this userbenchmark post, brought to you and paid by Chief Performance Strategist Ryan Shrout, really takes the cake in term of coping with reality. heck, you cant make this s*#t up even if you try really really hard. he's in for a rude awakening when he realizes that AMDs 8c/16t U-series chips draw less power at idle than intels Ultrabook 2c chips. please keep us updated on this user, this is first class comedy.
You look like tyler1
Oh man, I just got a 2070S a month ago and I'm using a 3700X. Can't believe I'm bottlenecking my GPU bad.
"ugrade" to 9100F 😂😂😂
Man, just trade that with my i3 laptop, you'll not regret :)
Ah "nvidia" and "naming" a not so good love story.
Glad to see you talk about userbenchmark. When I was a shiny new didn't know anything aspiring pc enthusiast my google searches frequently took me to their website and I didn't know any better. Definitely need to spread awareness for the newbies that userbenchmark is trash.
Oh, I hadn't noticed the timestamps in the progress bar. Nice!
I like the separated news segments, is that a new YT feature or did I just wake up?
He might be right on the calim that the 9350k beats AMD in 5 of todays most popular games. Unfortunately today's most popular games are from like 2015.
As somebody new to this "game", I appreciate somebody pointing out the discrepancies on User Benchmark. I was really shocked to see their eFPS calculation but now I know it is just fake.
Kudos to you guys for the bar separation thing, it is so neat and nice! I always liked GN timestamps but you guys just blew out of the water with this!
"Userbenchmark is garbage" I love this.
Seeing Tim start to read the userbenchmark info @ 11:10 had me in tears 🤔😂
The face in the thumbnail looks like Intel 9 gen i3 beats ryzen 7 3700x with a big ✋ XD. 😂
I agree. Computex was for B550 and Ryzen 4000 APUs based on Zen2 and Vega. Though I find it kinda odd that AMD would choose to put that off even longer - unless there was a delay in manufacturing somewhere.
As a 3700X owner I now know where I've gone wrong. Thank's Tim, I'm going straight to Ebay to replace my CPU and motherboard. Looking forward to seeing those FPS numbers climb to the sky! Wooossshh!! #Relief #CluelessBenchmark
Ahhh yes, the perfect laptop cpu for the datacenter. User benchmark should be relegated to the dark web.
Inb4 Userbenchmark recommends Intel HD Graphics over a 5700 XT or a next gen console
The thing about the GTX 1650 GDDR6 is that it's an improvement from the GDDR5 model, not a downgrade like most low end cards where they use DDR3/4 and GDDR5, the GT 1030 being an example. So really if people look at benchmarks of the original GDDR5 model, and get the GDDR6 model, they will just get a higher performing card. i don't think this will matter much
I think UserBenchmark are still stuck in 2012 and haven't bothered testing any AMD cpu's since the "8 core" FX fiasko and assuming that Intel is still way ahead. Maybe testing with old games that can't utilize more than 4c/4t? Or just complete Intel bias. Could be all three though
That new timestamp feature is neat, I can jump back without scrolling down if it went over my head while playing heated battles.
between Nvidia and intel naming selling / reviewing / talking about hardware will be a pain in the ass
Even more if you are making the pc of a friend that know nothing about hardware
I've always liked userbenchmark for the ability to test my own system against... my own system. It's a neat way of quickly getting an overview of how setting changes affect your system performance. I've also always been acutely aware of it's shortcomings. Usersubmitted data, even with very big datasets are... troublesome to say the least, and their tests are really bad at cross-brand comparisons, especially with regards to GPU's, since AMD and NVidia have radically different architectures. I still used it though, because I figured that knowing the limitations, it was still useful to me. But holy hell it seems the creators of that site have no understanding of their own tools limitations, and just hate anyone who points them out... Honestly think I'll just stop using it if they can't stop smearing people who ALWAYS speak based on their test results and ALWAYs conider the limitations of their testing methodology.
so apparently my old 4 core 8 threads Intel i7 4770K is better than my new 6 core 12 threads AMD Ryzen 5 2600X according to shittybenchmark
Userbench seem like some people there are actually intel schills or hard out fanboys. Adds perspective to the change to their scoring system they changed when Zen2 launched.
Wow those new timestamps on the youtube timeline is very nice.
Suggestions pop-up on paused video has gone, so that is really nice.
I know the overall ratings of userbenchmark are rubbish but is there another way to compare thousand of CPUs against each other? I used it extensively while shopping for a second hand netbook. Where else can you compare an Intel celeron N3350 to an i3 350M?
Its not even good for comparing intel CPUs to other intel CPUs. The ranking system skews to lower core processors. Most of the time i3 > i7 on UserBSmarks
Woah this new youtube video segmenting is nice
Tim is just so pleasant to look at lol. I mean that in the nicest and most normal way possible.
That was AMAZING!!!!! I think that was the most fun News Corner yet. :D
why to use rtx 2070 super when you can buy separately hd graphics 530 for your ryzen 7 3700x?
so these new timestamps in the timeline are pretty cool and fancy
Meh. That opinion of this UserBenchmark guy is clearly bs but I'll still use UserBenchmarks test values and draw my own conclusions. The numerical results still line up with other reviewers.
In contrast to most other sites they actually have numbers for all different sorts of low end CPUs and GPUs making for a nice complete data set.
"UserBenchmark: is definitely a garbage website, I remember testing my system & it saying: I had like a 33% cpu bottleneck & also saying I needed 32GB of ram(system memory) because I used an RTX 2080ti @ 4k. Alot of miss-information on that website...
Seems to me that the people who won't notice the GDDR6 weren't going to notice the performance difference anyway.
Exactly
I can't feed enough intel cpus to my overclocked Ryzen 3900x, it demands more and more intel cpus every day raping every hertz of them in benchmarks and not giving a sweat even... :(
That statement on UserBenchmark was terrible for the first 90% of it, but when they went to "moar cores" thing it evolved into an unbelievably grotesque parody. It's impossible for me to believe someone wrote that.
The sad thing is, many people who are not very "techy" will use UserBenchmark as reference, since their SEO almost always put them on top in Google searches.
User benchmark says the 3970X is "effectively" only 0.4% faster than the 9600K. These guys are clearly nuts and are I can't fathom how someone would say that except by working behind huge paychecks. Can we break their site or something? They should NEVER exist, ever.
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-3970X/4031vsm970030
It's been said before, some people want/need a video card that does not exceeds 75 W. It's become more difficult for NVDIA to source GDDR5, so a quiet move to GDDR6 for the 1650 makes sense.
I was watching this in the background and not paying attention and the userbenchmark silence reacting to the comment got my attention, I've not had this good of a laugh since the human malware began spreading internationally, thanks guys, I really needed it.
More than likely, the 2020 laptop RTX 2070 and 2080 would be accompanied with ‘(2020)’ afterwards to distinguish new and previous models
I know its sort of lackluster, but no one did a raytracing benchmark between the 2060 Super and 2070 non super... I would love to see if those extra cores do make a difference at the same(or factory) clock speeds on something with RTX options. (And maybe a 2070 Super vs 2080 non super in raytracing??)
Loved the sarcasm at the end of the video, thanks for the laughs Tim!
Could it be that the Ryzen 4000 desktop CPU's they are talking about are the desktop variants of the 4000 series, zen 2 based, APU's?
Does the new 1650 have the updated Turing NVENC or is it still Volta NVENC? This is very relevant for streaming purposes and transcoding.
Tim my Threadripper could use that X399 MEG Creation motherboard sitting on your shelf, so I can get higher boost clocks than what my SLI Plus does.
Yoooo, since when did TH-cam let you segment video buffers with different titles? That's super cool and handy!
Awesome. Thanks a mill Tim. Have been looking forward to a new "News Corner". Hope you guys are well and safe and I will catch you on the next one👍 EDIT: Bloody UserBenchmark🤦♂️So, my 3700x must be super duper severely bottlenecking my 2080s then, I'll be sure to let my 3700x know😉
@Clorox Tree I actually made an open offer in another comment here for a trade. 9100k/f for my 3700x. lol. Real gaming power awaits😉Seems the 9100k/f must be amazing, no one wants to swap or no one actually bought one, lol.
the Low Profile of the 1650 is the sweet spot for these cards, as far as I know these are the most powerful low profile cards in the market now
Whoa, these new intregrated timestamps are amazing! Reminds me of some other site...
On another note, I think the only reason they keep the 1650 around is because it only needs PCI-E power. Even if it's a niche use case.
I think it's time Steve did a Userbenchmark benchmark with the 9350kf vs. 3700x and see how that fairs.
already beaten by 2600/1600 AF, so why bother?
I mean th-cam.com/video/aJhtmsohbw4/w-d-xo.html
Yeah i think 4Q20 was always the announcement time frame for Ryzen 4000.
To clarify
"Gamers should pair the 9100F with a Z390 motherboard and unlock higher XMP RAM speeds" is BS.
"3700X offers real world gaming performance comparable to the $80 USD entry level 4-core, 4-thread Intel Core i3-9100F" is BS^2.
"9400F deliver better gaming performance in nearly all of today’s popular games (vs 3600)" is BS, and it's missing an s on delivers.
BEING FAIR, they recommend using NVENC rather than getting a high core count CPU, which (I think, please correct if I'm wrong) makes sense for a streamer on a budget.
I have the 9400 and 3600, my 3600 beats the crap out of the 9400 all day in every instance. I do have the 9400 paired with z370 and 3200 ram.
Fair. £54 for a cheap H310 MB vs £105 for cheapest Z390 is a minimum £51 premium for the fancy chipset. That's 73% of a £70 quadcore, vs 37% of a £137 hexacore, so it makes a bit more sense there.
Another gem here from fuamd.userjokesandlarks.com , "early benchmarks for the 1300X just pip the 7350K to the post but results in specific games will depend on the extent to which the game is able to use more than two processing cores simultaneously". This sums up there "philosophy" perfectly. Even in 2017, Intel's mid to high end processors had been using 4 cores for 7 years, XB1 and PS4 had been using 8 thread x86 processors for 4 years, AMD had been offering 6 and 8 thread processors as its main products for 6 years and AMD had just brought out a new, fully scalable architecture, with 8 cores and 16 threads on desktop and instructions per thread worryingly close to Intel. The writing was on the wall for dual core. But you never know, the end user might be playing Quake Live : )
Can't wait to get the i7-10700K in my hands.
Tim! I'm loving that quarantine beard bro!
looking forward to review for zen 4 new stuffs OvO
Zen3*
lol the user benchmark part was pretty funny
I’m an inexperienced gamer that AMD brainwashed and I NEED MOAR COREZ
Not sure about latency stuff but I saw how consistent the max, average & low FPS graph in ZEN 2 (Zen 2 more stable in FPS counter while Intel has a higher heartbeat like graph)
Seriously at this point AMD can take a break on the CPU side...they have humiliated existing and future unreleased yet Intel products. let the Market observe the existing amazing Ryzen 3000 CPUs for at least the rest of the year. The Radeon Department on the other side should give us an RDNA 2.0 Dekstop GPU soon 😇 and they should focus now to put Ryzen APUs in all laptop manufacturers.
Johnnyxp64 They need to keep moving, or it’ll all be for nothing. Really hope we can get 7nm desktop APUs soon, but guessing we’ll have to wait for the 4000 desktop CPUs.
@@emlyndewar Ryzen 3xxxx desktop APUs ofcourse will come before any dekstop 4000 cpus.
but I don't know why are you so interested in that :) for laptops makes sense... for desktop for me personally... nuh... i will always want dedicated gpu
Johnnyxp64 3000 already there. Always a generation behind for desktop APUs. ITX all the way for me. I’ve got a smaller system with dedicated GPU, but living room PC, size is king.
@@emlyndewar yeah the number is wrong... but when I say 3000APU i mean 7nm zen2 APU just like the 3000dekstop. they need to keep the damn numbers the same. as for living room pc... there are a tone of small and cool and powerful solutions to build with AMD... there is a guy doing just that. APU for living room will limit your gaming choice. the only "problem" is how deep you can out your hand in that pocket of yours. the ITX ans SF cost a bit more. 🙄
Are they also part of the The Verge ?
That was hilarious!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that tIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, can you please explain liquid metal on copper. i am confused. how can i tell if i am 100% coper or mixed? and what exactly happens if its naked copper? and how often do you need to re-apply liquid metal? i want to apply liquid metal.
is the razer blade 2019 heatsink 100% naked copper?
You know... I have never even read the "Overviews" of products on UserBenchmark, I've only ever used it to look at benchmark comparisons between GPUs or CPUs. Considering they get the data from people like us who run the benchmarks on our own PCs, which is automatically calculated, I trust the data they have on the site... But those Overviews... They are pure gold. I'll continue to use them for the data, and for a laugh from time to time. At least for now.
"Welcome back to the Hardware Box news corn"
Sorry I just can't help it, I love the automatic subtitles
Yes, it must be inaccurate knowing that they're Toms
Thank you for the awesome content!
If all these 1650 cards were low profile they actually might have a place. So many old HP and dell desktops for sale on Amazon using 3rd and 4th gen intel CPUs this could breath life into if they were to fit.
I'm extremely upset they killed StoreMi. I've done several budget builds with a B450 board and cheap NVME SSD for caching. SSD caching is no replacement for a big fast SSD, but it allows for SSD speeds 95% of the time. A 4TB HDD + 250GB NVME is still substantially cheaper than a 2TB SATA SSD.