Fiddlesticks is such a strategic champion - not super mechanical, but really focused on optimal resource collection and picking spots to fight. I could totally imagine someone who plays a different strategy game extensively and then comes to this game and plays for a couple months to be this good, the same concepts of denying information or space and gaining resources apply to other strategy games (other MOBAs, fighting games, board games like chess, etc)
I'm guessing they came from some other MOBA or RTS or at least competitive game. Getting a half way decent strategic mind for a game is definitely possible if you're diligent in your study.
I play with this guy all the time. He played smite for a while before hand, then for a bit with me when I started to get into MOBAs. I'm ashamed to say that I was one of the factors that dragged him into LoL.
I enjoy the guides and the fundamental coaching, but there’s a lot of situations where Neace is telling him to do something but not why in a given moment. like at 10:14 where he tells him to shove mid instead of helping Jax, you could tell the player was confused as to why. I think it’d be helpful to know so he can apply that reasoning to similar situations in future games.
He explains why in like 80% of his videos, he would rather not add too many variables, especially in lower elo. It’s a lot easier to not follow people into dumb situations even if the outcome would technically have been better, guaranteeing a just okay play such as pressuring mid and collecting creep gold is in the long run a better mentality for climbing to somewhere like plat which this student said was his goal. He also ends up in a lot of situations with students where they start walking back and forward between 2 different plays because they contemplate it for too long, you’re better off just picking a certain situation and tunnelling it rather than wasting time doing nothing.
@@lullabyu6152 He is always harping on about these things and expects people who pay for his coaching, in order to benefit from his coaching to have studied previous coaching sessions. No, it’s not absolutely necessary and to be frank he probably doesn’t care if people are going to pay the price they do. The play the OP posted about was going to be a losing 2v3 in the jg you would always be better off continuing to path mid and take the guaranteed gold and exp rather than risk that play. I understand what you are saying but that exact play seems really obvious to me. You would need something miraculous to gain anything out of staying and helping in that situation.
@@fizzonmyjayce6144 wasnt talking about a specific situation tho, all im saying is that I'd like the effort to tell me why as im playing the game, or a at least after in a game vod review
@@fizzonmyjayce6144 That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. He expects people to study previous coaching sessions so he can be lazy and not give them what they paid for?!?! Simply telling people to do things without telling them why they are doing it is extremely useless. At that point they are just following orders and gain nothing to use in future games. I would personally never pay for Neace coaching because he constantly makes the wrong calls and gets mad at people for not being able to execute properly even though that is the reason they need coaching in the first place. He is a better than average player, but plays at a plat-diamond level, and is not even in the same realm as players like Zwag or Fogged. If Zwag did coaching I would be all over that.
Not sure why it reminds me of the old doctor saying: "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras", which is basically just a doctor way of saying "The simplest answer is probably the right one.", since a lot of things can seem very complex and convoluted until you break them down into their base parts and are like "Oh shit, all this dude needs is some antibiotics, not an appendectomy".
@@silentbovo1 i had forgotten about that entirely but i do suppose you are correct, i was more meming as i am appendixless and it is a vestigial organ, very few organs are completely unnecessary.
SRO actually has a good way of looking at what you're talking about at the end. The gold disparity from a ~40 cs lead gets less significant as the game goes on. If it's 20cs vs 60cs at ~6-8 mins, it's huge, you're *way more powerful* than your opponent. If it's 140cs vs 180cs at ~20 mins, it's not actually that big of a difference.
I'm not sure thats completely true. I understand your point about the relative power of early game vs end game. Although the gold value of each wave is a lot bigger later in the game. There's two cannon wave instead of one, cannons are worth more. Every CS score is worth more late game.
40cs is 6 waves and 4 cannons, thats over 1k gold. and 1k gold difference just by cs is in fact a lot at 20min. the only point where it doesnt matter anymore is when youre full build lv 18.
@@The_Lightless I agree. I used to watch SRO a lot back in the day until I started getting the suspicion that he was smurfing. Of course back then you make a comment about it and his fans blow up on you and chew your ass out for even thinking he has the audacity to smurf or some shit. I took a break from the game for like two years and came back and seems like now everybody dislikes people like SRO, ProfessorAkali, etc., etc..
I'm only level 142. But when I was in high school and had a ton of free time was many years before champion mastery new level system and all the fancy B's they added recently. Im kinda glad and sad as a stats nerd I would like to see all my stata from past seasons but I would look like a no life it showed all those stats from the first 8 seasons.
I think the key that you're talking about is capitalizing on your strength rather than babying the weak ones. Make the strongest strong enough to end and close it out as quick as possible
this guys has some high level play. you could see he was making correct decisions and neace was correcting them not necessarily into bad ones, but if he went with his gut they would have played out.
Yeah, I think hes telling the truth, if hes been playing smite for a while most of the game mechanics will carry over, at the end of the day its a MOBA going to another MOBA both have their quirks and whatnot but it'll be identical in the core game
Thats literally the same boat Im in, has me exploring all mobas like dota hots there was a beta for predecessor a bit ago, have 1300hrs in smite lol, the knowledge of core mechanics transfer such as grouping, farming, info, warding, auto canceling, trade values, objs, secure, all transfer but flow and the true answer per game is different. Stuff from fighting games can help a lot cuz those gamers have an eye for character animations and can see when people are truly acting in the hightest of highest top lane elo when the first 3 cs come down to it, its about to get hot man. Questions like how do you sustain in lane? Do you need to cs? Flow of the game? Do you need a leash bro i got you, will it fuck your clear i dont know your character. Do you fast clear to roam and get nuetral camps as a laner? or freeze for defense and for the fact that you can make the enemy laner super away from tower and gank able. This stuff transfers sorta but is fairly close ngl. Just learn on youtube
@@lakeside1168 fighting games are the reason why i have so little respect for "mechanical" champs. wow, you mean that dude pressed all 4 spells in the right order without any specific timing and i'm supposed to be impressed. that's why my dumb ass play garen and other simple champ. i just can't feel good about getting kills or making plays as akali or irelia. finding ways to surprise people with some of the most straightforward spells in the game, now that's fun.
@@niscent_ I play brand mid because hes vulnerable and nearly defenseless. Hes a volcano warlock and you need to turn and nuke people. His q is very condiotional, body blockable, needs passive to stun, skillshot, and your optimal combo is E Q W because you want the free unable to miss ability then you must late the stun you could be fucked, then they are in place, have passive on them, now your W will do substantal damage and you get your full passive and basically a manaless free ability. You can replace with E with R and set up and wildfire.The thing is the E and R are auto randge and i bait myself so much to land the perfect combo to then get poked or miss it and look mega retarded Im doing this to get better cause i could just play veigar, vex, anivia, other mages, or even play assassins. Im turning Brand into and assassin who and nuke teams. Its difficult lol This is a direct example of a character with required timing and skill required. To play him mid is very scary actually cuz they all wanna kill you. In bot you have an adc to die for you cuz the real carry is the support and top lane is even more of an island. Brand mid is begging for a fight to the death, its a death wish and i plan to take someone with me. Metal is great mage music to jam to while spell casting, demon grunts and blast beats
@@lakeside1168 we need a pentakill brand skin. personally i pick him supp or jungle from time to time. actually got a great deal of build flexibility. you can go crown, liandry, ludden, even riftmaker and night harvester have their niches. and that's just for mythics.
5:07 Is no one talking about how he didn't smite the Zac blob? If Zac managed to recombine, they might've killed Fiddlesticks there... And before anyone decides to say you can't smite Zac blob, look it up, before you make a silly comment.
Everyone is commenting on his level. Don't forget experience boosts are in this game as well. You can get levels easy if you really wanted. However, account level doesn't really matter unless you're going for champion shards
I like how this guy gives his oppinion on what he wants to do, instead of just blindfoldedly following Neaces calls. But this is where i think Neace needs to improve on his way of coaching. When this fiddle says what he wants to do and Neace doesn't agree, he should be saying" No you should do this" and end it with "BECAUSE." This starts conversation, and puts things in perspective so the student can learn from it. Instead Neace shuts his students down with comments like "No do this, why do you get coaching?", which they learn nothing from at all. You should know why you do things, not just follow orders.
Most of the time he does explain himself, these "No do this, why do you get coaching?" moments are when people don't listen to a call in a fast paced game where you can't always take 2 minutes to explain a 15 second decision.
@@zones79 But i still think his reaction is wrong. It's a good thing that the student gives his opinion in things, so that he can tell him why it's wrong, and thereby he learns from that. By reacting so harshly, it may result in the student not wanting to tell what he would've done, as he knows what the answer may be...
@@Twiggerize Sure, it is aleays good to give context and explain nuance but it isn't always possile. His job it to tell you how to play and build on that, most people get one session so he targets what is important. He does breakdowns of plays and explains after the game as well. As for the harsher style, people know what they are in for with Neace, he isn't going to sugercoat.
@@zones79 As a matter of fact, i like that he doesn't sugercoat it. I've always been a fan of people telling it straight, always respected my coaches in sports when they did so. It's just, in this particular case, it would be sad if he scared off students who are trying to provide their view on different situations, as it's very important for him to know how they're viewing the game, otherwise he can't improve their gameplay to the fullest. He makes it seem like it annoys him when his students talks about what they wanna do, which is sad...
I mean he understands vision well, because in smite it's well known. Vision works similarly, but having a short range of what you can see makes characters pop in and out of vision really noticable.
- Knows when Kayn took his blue side - Knows when to split jungle - Knows when he's spotted by lane minions at golems - Pink on herald - Proximity clearing - Great camera control - Uses F keys - Great objective control There is no way this guy isn't at least high plat
Alot mobas play out the same way. In smite you track the jungler the same by timers, farm, and good vision. Mechanics are honed by playing but decision making can carry over.
obviously neace knows what he is talking about but as a student I would rather like a lot more explaining than just saying "why am I here" "why do I coach you".... well clearly you know it better but why is my decision wrong and what is better about your decision so I can understand and apply this in a different game.
At 3:00 I wonder how much Neace loved that his camera was always on the dive and not at his feet. Seems like Neace is always yelling at low elo players for doing that
How come his camera is so big? If you have a huge wide display you just get more vision like that? It seems really useful to get a clear view of the map like that.
Maybe he’s like me in that he’s not a Smurf but maybe he’s had other accounts before. I have a try hard account where I got diamond in sub 100 games but I also have a hard stuck account with all my skins because when I started playing I went straight into ranked and idc to play more than 100 games a season to get it unstuck.
Neace: You are fine Guy: No Kayn will just W Neace: No you would’ve been fine you missed a play Reality: It was a great read by Guy (any Kayn main will flash W that without hesitation) There were some good calls buy Neace here but also some atrocious ones. This guy clearly has some experience
Well if you look at the Coachings you can see that Neace is no way a bad player but if you are diamond or above you will probably not learn much on his coachings.
@@kuma8030 ? what, so a champ that has a big aoe damaging abilitie that lasts like 5 seconds give or take is not a good antiheal buyer. That is just you not wanting to spend money on it.
@@jarnofierens7165 welp give it or take it it's a fiddle you are supposed to deal so much DMG before they even get out of the fear that they die, so yes you don't buy antiheal and in this patch less. I'm not the one that says it but the best fiddlesticks in Europe.
He's probaby legit. I came from SC:BW background and my first year of league, I think I placed mid gold just with mechanical skill and strategy surrounding vision/cool downs etc.
18:42 Should have put down an Effigy since it's also a sweeper and you would have gotten the 3 man fear since you would have been ulting from out of vision and you would have gotten the empowered Q damage since they were already feared
I don't have that much money so I can't afford coaching but I always watch your videos to get better at the game. My main role is jungle i've been playing for like around a year and I feel like understanding other roles than my own is making me way better.
I think someone could easily be as good as him if not better if they played a mmoba before. I play fighting games and once I got really good at one, all the others I picked up after I learned and was decent at right away.
u have created such an ego of urself, ur decision are mos of the time right. u know a lot about the game but like ur reaction sometimes gives away that u know he is right but u want him to know that ur the boss. so u just say somethign different and tell him to listen. its sad that u cant say he is right sometimes.... but still like your videos
Double edged sword there too. If you're the coach you want them to believe and trust 100% because even if they're wrong sometimes, like every PRO is, it's still more beneficial in the end.
I hit Plat 3 in my first 4 months of League of Legends. It was my first Moba. But I played & watched/read guides religiously for those 4 months. You certainly can, if you're focused and dedicated to the climb.
I mean it's not that impressive to be a lie. I started December s9 and in season 10 I got g2. I left the game for s11 to read for university after playing till February. And I returned this February and I am g2 already. I just watch coaches like you and try to emulate stuff.
@@behemoth9543 so youre telling me that dogpoop junglers is a norm on goldplat? damn the players sucks then or maybe jungling shouldve been introduced in tutorial or smthing
Moba knowledge does somewhat transfer. There is somewhat of base knowledge, specially when to take fights and when not to and when to farm. I myself played smite and transitioned to league. In about a month and half, i was able to climb to silver 4. I did play A LOT (level 45). Also, i have yet to learn on how to play on open camera.
6:28, your jungler should always be playing around the objective, in this case, the Fiddle wants to play around drag which is the correct move, hence he was clearing from blue and wanting to finish at golems. If you're top laner is already popping off, that means less worry for you and you get to focus on bot-side + drag. It just makes so much more sense, any high skilled jger will tell you this, including Tarzaned.
I can also undsrstand the other side. Kayn was top and had top camps up, so a great play can get you 4 birds (kill on kayn and cho, turret tier 2 and top camp)with one stone and possibly 5 (reset and stronger drake fight if team sets up well). If kayn was off vision or seen bot, sure
Absolutely true for a perfect game scenario. But it’s SoloQ, you should always play around the winning lane. When they start to feed their shutdowns this is where the shit will happen.
My first game ever playing league of legends, I was extremely fed on master yi. I hit gold 1 my first year playing, and am now silver 2 lmao. It's possible to have good habits from the start, then get worse.
Neace ur student was coach’s by LS a week before I actually tracked down the video of LS coaching him because I knew his voice sounded familiar cuz I used to watch a lot of u 2 last year
I hit plat in my first season, and knew what I was doing from smite. Mechanics can take you a long way sometimes, but my macro is what stops me from being better
Most of his camera control is very bad and he's not super decisive on plays, also doesn't really understand standard vision plays. Definitely a good player, but also reasonable to think he hasn't been playing that long.
i watched my big bro played all during his school years , as a kid you can learn so much just by watching, he was diamond and wasnt a "top player" but i learned so much just from watching and listening to him play with his friends that when i eventually started playing i picked it up alot faster than new players
i mean, i spent less then 6 months after starting to play lol to get gold 4. I think that everything before plat is acheavable before an year if u have the right mindset and a discrete hand to put in it
I got diamond in 4 months of Play but I watched fogged and xpetu for a 5 months before I first tried this game. I only played top and shen or tryndamere . mainly shen though
I've been watching Neace for literally like 3 months and since, I have been smurfing in my Gold 2 games. I literally get to decide when I rank up. Goat content, Goat coach. #papabless
Imo he's just showing a decent general game sense . If i had to guess i'd say he's coming from a game like dota2, Hon or another moba game, where he's likely a seasoned player. He probably needs hard item and champion specific tips more than anything else.
The thing is, you can see he lacks on mechanicly skill, but his way of thinking is the typical "theorie master" people who will be a coach in the future as an example. I don`t see why we wouldnt trust his call that he is just playin for a year or so
league is the most popular game in the world for almost a decade now, even if he himself hasn't played for a year he's DEFINITELY watched people better than him play, and fiddlesticks is a more decision making based champ than mechanics. so it could definitely check out.
I played smite for years. I play better than 90% of the players in pubs. Smite isn't as complex, but it is a super easy transition. I have only played a year or two on and off and smash games. If smite was developed properly I would still play it, but it has been shit since it went to console. They pretty much pushed their competitive player base out of the game with censorship and nerfing mechanics for console players. They started banning people for being critical, and took nearly all the speed out of the game to slow things down for console players. Smite pre console was amazing that 3rd person 3d view really lets people get into the game.
the way neace telling people to shuts nd replaying aggressively cuz maybe he doesn't know himself why in the right moment , just from practice knows the student shouldn't do that so he just tell him to not nd keep thinking why its not the correct play. If he got the reason he explained after if not he just act like ntg happen hahaha
as far as freeloader coaching goes, if you're teaching me to think like you do riddle me this: at 16:45 you say you know you had ten stacks even though you asked how many stacks you had on it. Why? Was it strategy related or was it coaching sickness?
He asked for current stacks and he got the answer 6. But then he also got the answer that he had 10 before but he was not asking for that so he said he knows.
Idk sometimes I question the coaching, sometimes I feel he’s just a control freak because that dragon play honestly was a way better idea then a 2v2 top. Just my opinion tho, not always good to shut your coachees ideas down especially if there a good one, and then right after he wants to herald since jng is bot and mans is like, counter jng why did u get coaching 💀🫡
This guy is not legit. I saw how Silver players play and this is definetly not Silver player. This guy has to be at least high Plat/low Dia who just wants to show off.
Copypasted: Most of his camera control is very bad and he's not super decisive on plays, also doesn't really understand standard vision plays. Definitely a good player, but also reasonable to think he hasn't been playing that long. Also, a lot of his losses in ranked are him playing other (harder) champions on other roles, which is a pretty low elo thing to do.
hes not bad at all. Hes use of locked camara bugs me a bit tho. it's a good habit in fights to know where your champ is but the way he use it he miss out on SO much infomation going on around him while not fighting.
This dude did at least 500 things that were mistakes and he's in silver. Lol why wouldn't you believe him? Love the channel, man! Keep doing good stuff
There's no way he has only played a year, and I really don't think this is his main account. He is way too aware of the enemy jungler and what his pathing might be. I feel like that's something that takes a lot of time and skill to start developing awareness of enemy pathing
he has previous moba experience. If he was somewhat high elo in smite i would completely understand. so all he needs is just understand what most characters do and thats it a lot of the skills transfer.
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Fiddlesticks is such a strategic champion - not super mechanical, but really focused on optimal resource collection and picking spots to fight. I could totally imagine someone who plays a different strategy game extensively and then comes to this game and plays for a couple months to be this good, the same concepts of denying information or space and gaining resources apply to other strategy games (other MOBAs, fighting games, board games like chess, etc)
Perfect for me I have terrible hands
I'm guessing they came from some other MOBA or RTS or at least competitive game. Getting a half way decent strategic mind for a game is definitely possible if you're diligent in your study.
he came from smite
He says that by the end of the vid
@@hycix705 yup just put in my guess before I finished the video
@@phantom8699 yeah its like someone who came from csgo to valorant. they just climb like crazy on that game
I play with this guy all the time. He played smite for a while before hand, then for a bit with me when I started to get into MOBAs. I'm ashamed to say that I was one of the factors that dragged him into LoL.
@@capnbarky2682 goat for guessing and commenting in the middle if it
I enjoy the guides and the fundamental coaching, but there’s a lot of situations where Neace is telling him to do something but not why in a given moment. like at 10:14 where he tells him to shove mid instead of helping Jax, you could tell the player was confused as to why. I think it’d be helpful to know so he can apply that reasoning to similar situations in future games.
He explains why in like 80% of his videos, he would rather not add too many variables, especially in lower elo. It’s a lot easier to not follow people into dumb situations even if the outcome would technically have been better, guaranteeing a just okay play such as pressuring mid and collecting creep gold is in the long run a better mentality for climbing to somewhere like plat which this student said was his goal. He also ends up in a lot of situations with students where they start walking back and forward between 2 different plays because they contemplate it for too long, you’re better off just picking a certain situation and tunnelling it rather than wasting time doing nothing.
@@fizzonmyjayce6144 let that decide to the one paying for the coaching tho, if i paid i wanna know why when and how, just my opinion tho
@@lullabyu6152 He is always harping on about these things and expects people who pay for his coaching, in order to benefit from his coaching to have studied previous coaching sessions. No, it’s not absolutely necessary and to be frank he probably doesn’t care if people are going to pay the price they do. The play the OP posted about was going to be a losing 2v3 in the jg you would always be better off continuing to path mid and take the guaranteed gold and exp rather than risk that play. I understand what you are saying but that exact play seems really obvious to me. You would need something miraculous to gain anything out of staying and helping in that situation.
@@fizzonmyjayce6144 wasnt talking about a specific situation tho, all im saying is that I'd like the effort to tell me why as im playing the game, or a at least after in a game vod review
@@fizzonmyjayce6144 That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. He expects people to study previous coaching sessions so he can be lazy and not give them what they paid for?!?! Simply telling people to do things without telling them why they are doing it is extremely useless. At that point they are just following orders and gain nothing to use in future games. I would personally never pay for Neace coaching because he constantly makes the wrong calls and gets mad at people for not being able to execute properly even though that is the reason they need coaching in the first place. He is a better than average player, but plays at a plat-diamond level, and is not even in the same realm as players like Zwag or Fogged. If Zwag did coaching I would be all over that.
playing for a year .. ingame time :)
Not sure why it reminds me of the old doctor saying: "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras", which is basically just a doctor way of saying "The simplest answer is probably the right one.", since a lot of things can seem very complex and convoluted until you break them down into their base parts and are like "Oh shit, all this dude needs is some antibiotics, not an appendectomy".
but... having an appendix in 2022 is cringe bro, its so easy to get removed how do you even still have bro
You're referencing Occam's razor
@@silentbovo1 i had forgotten about that entirely but i do suppose you are correct, i was more meming as i am appendixless and it is a vestigial organ, very few organs are completely unnecessary.
Dr Cox of Scrubs taught me this phrase. Of course, he was way more patronizing when he explained it.
you say that until you wakeup in Arkansas, surrounded by zebras and kangaroos.
Never have agreed more with Neace in terms of macro. Very well said. This student seems rather teachable.
SRO actually has a good way of looking at what you're talking about at the end. The gold disparity from a ~40 cs lead gets less significant as the game goes on. If it's 20cs vs 60cs at ~6-8 mins, it's huge, you're *way more powerful* than your opponent. If it's 140cs vs 180cs at ~20 mins, it's not actually that big of a difference.
SRO LUL
I'm not sure thats completely true. I understand your point about the relative power of early game vs end game. Although the gold value of each wave is a lot bigger later in the game. There's two cannon wave instead of one, cannons are worth more. Every CS score is worth more late game.
yeah he talks about this a lot
40cs is 6 waves and 4 cannons, thats over 1k gold. and 1k gold difference just by cs is in fact a lot at 20min. the only point where it doesnt matter anymore is when youre full build lv 18.
@@The_Lightless I agree. I used to watch SRO a lot back in the day until I started getting the suspicion that he was smurfing. Of course back then you make a comment about it and his fans blow up on you and chew your ass out for even thinking he has the audacity to smurf or some shit. I took a break from the game for like two years and came back and seems like now everybody dislikes people like SRO, ProfessorAkali, etc., etc..
I mean if he hit level 161 in one year dude played more in a year than most do over many lol
I played for 1 year and im 207 level
@@EchoHRT cool, it's way more than the avarage
@@EchoHRT ive been playing since season 3 and im level 172 lmao
I'm only level 142. But when I was in high school and had a ton of free time was many years before champion mastery new level system and all the fancy B's they added recently.
Im kinda glad and sad as a stats nerd I would like to see all my stata from past seasons but I would look like a no life it showed all those stats from the first 8 seasons.
I've played since season 5 and I'm level 145 xD
I think the key that you're talking about is capitalizing on your strength rather than babying the weak ones. Make the strongest strong enough to end and close it out as quick as possible
this guys has some high level play. you could see he was making correct decisions and neace was correcting them not necessarily into bad ones, but if he went with his gut they would have played out.
Imagine how much adrenaline you would get after a challenger player compliments you
Challenger player
this aged well dint it
@@eaglepogbro saw this ten months ago and said “let him cook” 💀
Yeah, I think hes telling the truth, if hes been playing smite for a while most of the game mechanics will carry over, at the end of the day its a MOBA going to another MOBA both have their quirks and whatnot but it'll be identical in the core game
Thats literally the same boat Im in, has me exploring all mobas like dota hots there was a beta for predecessor a bit ago, have 1300hrs in smite lol, the knowledge of core mechanics transfer such as grouping, farming, info, warding, auto canceling, trade values, objs, secure, all transfer but flow and the true answer per game is different. Stuff from fighting games can help a lot cuz those gamers have an eye for character animations and can see when people are truly acting in the hightest of highest top lane elo when the first 3 cs come down to it, its about to get hot man. Questions like how do you sustain in lane? Do you need to cs? Flow of the game? Do you need a leash bro i got you, will it fuck your clear i dont know your character. Do you fast clear to roam and get nuetral camps as a laner? or freeze for defense and for the fact that you can make the enemy laner super away from tower and gank able. This stuff transfers sorta but is fairly close ngl. Just learn on youtube
@@lakeside1168 fighting games are the reason why i have so little respect for "mechanical" champs. wow, you mean that dude pressed all 4 spells in the right order without any specific timing and i'm supposed to be impressed. that's why my dumb ass play garen and other simple champ. i just can't feel good about getting kills or making plays as akali or irelia. finding ways to surprise people with some of the most straightforward spells in the game, now that's fun.
@@niscent_ I play brand mid because hes vulnerable and nearly defenseless. Hes a volcano warlock and you need to turn and nuke people. His q is very condiotional, body blockable, needs passive to stun, skillshot, and your optimal combo is E Q W because you want the free unable to miss ability then you must late the stun you could be fucked, then they are in place, have passive on them, now your W will do substantal damage and you get your full passive and basically a manaless free ability. You can replace with E with R and set up and wildfire.The thing is the E and R are auto randge and i bait myself so much to land the perfect combo to then get poked or miss it and look mega retarded
Im doing this to get better cause i could just play veigar, vex, anivia, other mages, or even play assassins. Im turning Brand into and assassin who and nuke teams. Its difficult lol This is a direct example of a character with required timing and skill required. To play him mid is very scary actually cuz they all wanna kill you. In bot you have an adc to die for you cuz the real carry is the support and top lane is even more of an island. Brand mid is begging for a fight to the death, its a death wish and i plan to take someone with me. Metal is great mage music to jam to while spell casting, demon grunts and blast beats
@@lakeside1168 we need a pentakill brand skin. personally i pick him supp or jungle from time to time. actually got a great deal of build flexibility. you can go crown, liandry, ludden, even riftmaker and night harvester have their niches. and that's just for mythics.
@@niscent_ tank brand top with frostfire and grasp
5:07 Is no one talking about how he didn't smite the Zac blob? If Zac managed to recombine, they might've killed Fiddlesticks there...
And before anyone decides to say you can't smite Zac blob, look it up, before you make a silly comment.
You can't smite zac blob,
is probably what he was thinking
Tbf, smite was'nt necesary that was a kill. Not sure if he knew he could smite zac passive tho.
Everyone is commenting on his level. Don't forget experience boosts are in this game as well. You can get levels easy if you really wanted. However, account level doesn't really matter unless you're going for champion shards
even with that..i've been playing for 4+ years and im like level 70...
@@generalbama6383 you don't play often then? I've been playing for shy of 2 years and am 170 ish
@@TheNiceCreamMan Yeah im hella inactive, doing one season ill play 10% of it thn long periods of idle.
i have 2 account over lvl 200 in a year lol
I like how this guy gives his oppinion on what he wants to do, instead of just blindfoldedly following Neaces calls. But this is where i think Neace needs to improve on his way of coaching.
When this fiddle says what he wants to do and Neace doesn't agree, he should be saying" No you should do this" and end it with "BECAUSE." This starts conversation, and puts things in perspective so the student can learn from it. Instead Neace shuts his students down with comments like "No do this, why do you get coaching?", which they learn nothing from at all. You should know why you do things, not just follow orders.
Most of the time he does explain himself, these "No do this, why do you get coaching?" moments are when people don't listen to a call in a fast paced game where you can't always take 2 minutes to explain a 15 second decision.
@@zones79 But i still think his reaction is wrong. It's a good thing that the student gives his opinion in things, so that he can tell him why it's wrong, and thereby he learns from that. By reacting so harshly, it may result in the student not wanting to tell what he would've done, as he knows what the answer may be...
@@Twiggerize Sure, it is aleays good to give context and explain nuance but it isn't always possile. His job it to tell you how to play and build on that, most people get one session so he targets what is important. He does breakdowns of plays and explains after the game as well. As for the harsher style, people know what they are in for with Neace, he isn't going to sugercoat.
@@zones79 As a matter of fact, i like that he doesn't sugercoat it. I've always been a fan of people telling it straight, always respected my coaches in sports when they did so. It's just, in this particular case, it would be sad if he scared off students who are trying to provide their view on different situations, as it's very important for him to know how they're viewing the game, otherwise he can't improve their gameplay to the fullest. He makes it seem like it annoys him when his students talks about what they wanna do, which is sad...
@@zones79 and that's why live coaching sessions are useless. You do not get anything from it and there is not enough time to explain anything.
I mean he understands vision well, because in smite it's well known.
Vision works similarly, but having a short range of what you can see makes characters pop in and out of vision really noticable.
"I feel like I'm just getting away from
the center of the map" seriously sounds like a chess player with that line
Been watching you for over a year now and I really enjoy the content.
22:34 Correct me if I'm wrong but E only silences in the middle. The rest is just slowed.
- Knows when Kayn took his blue side
- Knows when to split jungle
- Knows when he's spotted by lane minions at golems
- Pink on herald
- Proximity clearing
- Great camera control
- Uses F keys
- Great objective control
There is no way this guy isn't at least high plat
I do almost all apart from f key stuff
and I'm bronze lmao😂
Alot mobas play out the same way. In smite you track the jungler the same by timers, farm, and good vision. Mechanics are honed by playing but decision making can carry over.
@@KachhoriKunAnurag In no world a bronze has good camera control lmao
@@KachhoriKunAnurag "almost all" but still in bronze?
obviously neace knows what he is talking about but as a student I would rather like a lot more explaining than just saying "why am I here" "why do I coach you".... well clearly you know it better but why is my decision wrong and what is better about your decision so I can understand and apply this in a different game.
At 3:00 I wonder how much Neace loved that his camera was always on the dive and not at his feet. Seems like Neace is always yelling at low elo players for doing that
How come his camera is so big? If you have a huge wide display you just get more vision like that? It seems really useful to get a clear view of the map like that.
Maybe he’s like me in that he’s not a Smurf but maybe he’s had other accounts before. I have a try hard account where I got diamond in sub 100 games but I also have a hard stuck account with all my skins because when I started playing I went straight into ranked and idc to play more than 100 games a season to get it unstuck.
Neace: You are fine
Guy: No Kayn will just W
Neace: No you would’ve been fine you missed a play
Reality: It was a great read by Guy (any Kayn main will flash W that without hesitation)
There were some good calls buy Neace here but also some atrocious ones. This guy clearly has some experience
same with the antiheal orb buy. in any other ap jgl i guess it would be a good buy but definitevly not on a fiddle
Well if you look at the Coachings you can see that Neace is no way a bad player but if you are diamond or above you will probably not learn much on his coachings.
@@pascalhanzo2732 i mean if you are diamond you should seek coach from a top 100 in the ladder that plays the same role as you.
@@kuma8030 ? what, so a champ that has a big aoe damaging abilitie that lasts like 5 seconds give or take is not a good antiheal buyer. That is just you not wanting to spend money on it.
@@jarnofierens7165 welp give it or take it it's a fiddle you are supposed to deal so much DMG before they even get out of the fear that they die, so yes you don't buy antiheal and in this patch less. I'm not the one that says it but the best fiddlesticks in Europe.
The most polite "F that" I've ever heard lol
He's probaby legit. I came from SC:BW background and my first year of league, I think I placed mid gold just with mechanical skill and strategy surrounding vision/cool downs etc.
When u were talking about the dragon fight, I think the phrase u were looking for, was, “you’re playing with your food”
First stike is really broken on fiddle atm but huge mistake, he went treasure hunter instead of ultimate hunter
The approach velocity is also bad and the magical footwear
18:42 Should have put down an Effigy since it's also a sweeper and you would have gotten the 3 man fear since you would have been ulting from out of vision and you would have gotten the empowered Q damage since they were already feared
I don't have that much money so I can't afford coaching but I always watch your videos to get better at the game. My main role is jungle i've been playing for like around a year and I feel like understanding other roles than my own is making me way better.
plenty of free high end content on the internet that you can use to improve. never pay for coaching plz.
@@ryanbrown1918Coaching is good to analyze and workout your specific flaws
I think someone could easily be as good as him if not better if they played a mmoba before. I play fighting games and once I got really good at one, all the others I picked up after I learned and was decent at right away.
I have been playing for 3 months and im hovering g1-g2. Granted i did watch some streamers but i didnt actually play the game until recently.
okay, there is no way this dude belongs to silver 4 EVEN without coaching
i hit plat w out coaching???
@@consistent-cook5328 that's not what he's saying
he's saying the guy is way too good to be in silver 4
@@consistent-cook5328 congrats? Is that what you were hoping for?
@@kidthebilly7766 definitely. this guy is thinks about his moves more than most plat players i know.
If you ask someone about something they start with "literally". They"re fkin cappin
It seemed like Neace was the one getting coached lmfao
24:24 "we don't have to STICK on that"
u have created such an ego of urself, ur decision are mos of the time right. u know a lot about the game but like ur reaction sometimes gives away that u know he is right but u want him to know that ur the boss. so u just say somethign different and tell him to listen. its sad that u cant say he is right sometimes....
but still like your videos
Double edged sword there too. If you're the coach you want them to believe and trust 100% because even if they're wrong sometimes, like every PRO is, it's still more beneficial in the end.
I hit Plat 3 in my first 4 months of League of Legends. It was my first Moba. But I played & watched/read guides religiously for those 4 months. You certainly can, if you're focused and dedicated to the climb.
it is also linked to intelligence and talent tho, a brain dead person will never climb
0:50 it’s cause of skill capped idk why they endorsed Jax adc. I mean they said it’s literally impossible to lose with Vi mid 💀
When that Pantheon ults in meele range i just died a bit
I mean it's not that impressive to be a lie. I started December s9 and in season 10 I got g2. I left the game for s11 to read for university after playing till February. And I returned this February and I am g2 already. I just watch coaches like you and try to emulate stuff.
why dont I get junglers like this. All my junglers are either an autofilled Yasuo main or a psycho that picks riven or yorick with smite ignite
Cause you probably aren´t at the elo that this guy SHOULD be at. Everyone can smurf and tell Neace some bullshit.
@@behemoth9543 so youre telling me that dogpoop junglers is a norm on goldplat? damn the players sucks then or maybe jungling shouldve been introduced in tutorial or smthing
Agree this game has better game sense than 70% of the junglers in diamond
Ikr!! My team so bad every game!!!!!
Ugh me neither I never get good junglers
Oh wait I am the jungler every game whoops
He walked right by the fruits in the river after that gank (8:30 ish.)and I was waiting for you to scream...but you didn't call him on it #notmyneace
suffering from success
Moba knowledge does somewhat transfer. There is somewhat of base knowledge, specially when to take fights and when not to and when to farm.
I myself played smite and transitioned to league. In about a month and half, i was able to climb to silver 4. I did play A LOT (level 45). Also, i have yet to learn on how to play on open camera.
6:28, your jungler should always be playing around the objective, in this case, the Fiddle wants to play around drag which is the correct move, hence he was clearing from blue and wanting to finish at golems. If you're top laner is already popping off, that means less worry for you and you get to focus on bot-side + drag. It just makes so much more sense, any high skilled jger will tell you this, including Tarzaned.
I can also undsrstand the other side. Kayn was top and had top camps up, so a great play can get you 4 birds (kill on kayn and cho, turret tier 2 and top camp)with one stone and possibly 5 (reset and stronger drake fight if team sets up well).
If kayn was off vision or seen bot, sure
Absolutely true for a perfect game scenario. But it’s SoloQ, you should always play around the winning lane. When they start to feed their shutdowns this is where the shit will happen.
My first game ever playing league of legends, I was extremely fed on master yi. I hit gold 1 my first year playing, and am now silver 2 lmao. It's possible to have good habits from the start, then get worse.
Neace ur student was coach’s by LS a week before I actually tracked down the video of LS coaching him because I knew his voice sounded familiar cuz I used to watch a lot of u 2 last year
I hit plat in my first season, and knew what I was doing from smite. Mechanics can take you a long way sometimes, but my macro is what stops me from being better
No it’s not your macro your just bad
@@BenjaJohnsonIII you legit said you arent bad you are just bad. macro is a huge part of the game.
Struck me as someone who just wanted to be on the channel for some reason
@@phantom8699 What's your point? He's still someone that wanted to be on the channel, for some reason.
Most of his camera control is very bad and he's not super decisive on plays, also doesn't really understand standard vision plays. Definitely a good player, but also reasonable to think he hasn't been playing that long.
i watched my big bro played all during his school years , as a kid you can learn so much just by watching, he was diamond and wasnt a "top player" but i learned so much just from watching and listening to him play with his friends that when i eventually started playing i picked it up alot faster than new players
Update: drifter man is now gold 4!!!
i mean, i spent less then 6 months after starting to play lol to get gold 4.
I think that everything before plat is acheavable before an year if u have the right mindset and a discrete hand to put in it
I got diamond in 4 months of Play but I watched fogged and xpetu for a 5 months before I first tried this game. I only played top and shen or tryndamere . mainly shen though
what is that resolution? i feel like you can max out map and still see more
I've been watching Neace for literally like 3 months and since, I have been smurfing in my Gold 2 games. I literally get to decide when I rank up. Goat content, Goat coach.
#papabless
Its true, ive seen him post your clips in the post lobby games. Hes your beststudent. Please give him some free lessons or a call!!! :)
btw, if you turn off nvidia overlay, you won't freeze up at the end of games anymore
10:36 kayns top side ? But we just saw him at our red
The aspec ration looks like a ultrawide monitor
What camera do you use ?
Imo he's just showing a decent general game sense . If i had to guess i'd say he's coming from a game like dota2, Hon or another moba game, where he's likely a seasoned player. He probably needs hard item and champion specific tips more than anything else.
Some people go in there for an Ego boost. Seems like one.
Can confirm it’s not the case. I play with ol’ Drifty boi all the time. Both of us started around a year ago
Favourite line:
Don't just sit in the pit like a psyco
him not pressing q after fearing someone gives me anxiety
I started playing again just because of Fidds rework. Really happy my main is doing well these days.
Fantastic content, I'm impressed with your knowledge of this game
the face and the chewing.. I always wonder if neace likes to go skiing lol
Idk, I mean I started playing in season 8 and I ended my first season like silver 3 and got to like s2 in preseason
The thing is, you can see he lacks on mechanicly skill, but his way of thinking is the typical "theorie master" people who will be a coach in the future as an example.
I don`t see why we wouldnt trust his call that he is just playin for a year or so
league is the most popular game in the world for almost a decade now, even if he himself hasn't played for a year he's DEFINITELY watched people better than him play, and fiddlesticks is a more decision making based champ than mechanics. so it could definitely check out.
I mean tbf it took me 2 years with like 5+ games a day to get to plat 2 so yeah i can see how smite helped him reach s4 within 1 year
Bro he knew about baron debuff :)
I just have to leave an angry comment here that at 2:24 pantheon's tap q kills and its less reactable then whatever the fuck he did there
I played smite for years. I play better than 90% of the players in pubs. Smite isn't as complex, but it is a super easy transition. I have only played a year or two on and off and smash games. If smite was developed properly I would still play it, but it has been shit since it went to console. They pretty much pushed their competitive player base out of the game with censorship and nerfing mechanics for console players. They started banning people for being critical, and took nearly all the speed out of the game to slow things down for console players. Smite pre console was amazing that 3rd person 3d view really lets people get into the game.
that fidd comb ult makes my wanna throw my chair. why dont u use Q after ulting? why save the most damaging skill while enemy is feared?
the way neace telling people to shuts nd replaying aggressively cuz maybe he doesn't know himself why in the right moment , just from practice knows the student shouldn't do that so he just tell him to not nd keep thinking why its not the correct play. If he got the reason he explained after if not he just act like ntg happen hahaha
as far as freeloader coaching goes, if you're teaching me to think like you do riddle me this:
at 16:45 you say you know you had ten stacks even though you asked how many stacks you had on it.
Why? Was it strategy related or was it coaching sickness?
He asked for current stacks and he got the answer 6. But then he also got the answer that he had 10 before but he was not asking for that so he said he knows.
Wtf was that Poppy doing.
That was my galio I went on a galio fling for a bit
Not using smartcast screwed him so many times
9:40 what the fuck is this guy doing? Holy shit?
is Demonic even worth buying on Fiddle? he doesn't buy HP items and the burn damage is nerfed for ranged champs. Rabadons seems better.
This guy is pretty smart
How wide is that screen tho??
161 in 1 year. took me 10 years to hit level 45
Idk sometimes I question the coaching, sometimes I feel he’s just a control freak because that dragon play honestly was a way better idea then a 2v2 top. Just my opinion tho, not always good to shut your coachees ideas down especially if there a good one, and then right after he wants to herald since jng is bot and mans is like, counter jng why did u get coaching 💀🫡
anyone gonna talk about how his monitor is bigger than my house?
Yo did Tarantino film this?
What is this guys peak LP
bro i know you're teaching but damn u got an attitude
This guy is not legit.
I saw how Silver players play and this is definetly not Silver player. This guy has to be at least high Plat/low Dia who just wants to show off.
Copypasted: Most of his camera control is very bad and he's not super decisive on plays, also doesn't really understand standard vision plays. Definitely a good player, but also reasonable to think he hasn't been playing that long. Also, a lot of his losses in ranked are him playing other (harder) champions on other roles, which is a pretty low elo thing to do.
hey neace, you ever been addicted to coke
hes not bad at all. Hes use of locked camara bugs me a bit tho. it's a good habit in fights to know where your champ is but the way he use it he miss out on SO much infomation going on around him while not fighting.
This dude did at least 500 things that were mistakes and he's in silver. Lol why wouldn't you believe him? Love the channel, man! Keep doing good stuff
The enemy doesn't have a carry Im the carry.
There's no way he has only played a year, and I really don't think this is his main account. He is way too aware of the enemy jungler and what his pathing might be. I feel like that's something that takes a lot of time and skill to start developing awareness of enemy pathing
he has previous moba experience.
If he was somewhat high elo in smite i would completely understand.
so all he needs is just understand what most characters do and thats it a lot of the skills transfer.
lets go more fiddle content
got about 1000 hours been playing since september 2022 so 10 months
Farming jungler = farm everything. Who would've thought!?
Hes making better decisions than you lol