I need mudsport to be learnable by some water or flying types Like, keep it the same, but now it can be learned by mons who could benefit from it, like a semi aquatic water type like Poliwag or Lotad, or a land dwelling flying type like Ninjask or Doduo Ditto for Water sport, have some grass or bug types be able to learn it (preferably those associated with moisture like Oddish, Tangela or Yanma)
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Seems like most things that learn Water Sport could get it switched to Mudsport. If it was a field effect, that would have some utility for the game's mob of Water-type trainers.
This is the proper answer. It's absolutely pointless in singles, which the game is very much based around. Same deal with Helping Hand; it feels like there are so many Pokemon on Gen III trainers in singles that have Helping Hand, even though the move doesn't have a function in singles.
Thematically, I think it would make sense to have Mud Sport be essentially a reverse tailwind. The mud slows enemy speed by 50% for 5 turns. This change would reflect the change to Muddy Water as well. Flying types could be immune to this effect. This would be useful for ground types which tend to be on the slower side. Water Sport could act as a sort of temporary soak. Enemies gain a weakness to electric moves (with ground types being succeptable to electric moves. Would increase the already existing synergy between water and electric types.
How about adding a double power effect! Water gun water spout an hydro pump damage is doubled after using water sport. Maybe water sport increases the users special defense an evasion by 1 stage. How about we have mud sport increase the users special defense by 1 stage. While lowering the opponents accuracy by 1 stage. doubles the damage of sludge mud slap mud shot muddy water.. I need 10-11 turns not just when the user switches! Water sport stops burns condition from happening maybe.. Mud sport prevents or stops paralysis maybe. Idk
This is my favorite mud sport idea so far. Maybe with mud sport flying types, ground types and pokemon with levitate are not effected as well? Maybe water can be part of that too.
@@detectivetacox9293 I'm wondering if this video went into production before Smith showcased Roselia's ability to solo Wattson. Roselia got jacked, so I think that the balancing will end up closer to Hypnosis accuracy.
@@Kali_Krause I like the idea of balancing Grass Whistle for a wider distribution than Roselia. Hypnosis sits at 60% in the vanilla game. Rather than going +10% accuracy to distinguish it from Sleep Powder, I would go -10% to 65 accuracy for Grass Whistle.
Now that Beat Up has been buffed, I think it should be a late learn for Mightyena. Both the Emerald and Sapphire Dex entries (as well as nearly every other generation) talk about Mightyena being a pack hunter, so it makes sense for it to get the 6-on-1 Dark move.
Indeed Mightyena = Beat Up (They hunt in packs), Pursuit (wolves chase after their prey), Lick Magcargo withdraw? Maybe idk 🤷♂️ it has a shell right. I Must have a Bagon with skull bash SERIOUSLY! It’s astounding that it really can’t learn it. Noctowl calm mind…Cacturne learning spike cannon an scary face would be cool. Shuckle learning Stockpile would be very cool. Ludicolo an teeter dance just go together.. Does Octillery learn hydro pump or not!? Serious question. Cyndaquil with Agility would be Lovely! Defense Curl & Rollout. Espeon should be able to learn Extrasensory…an solar beam it’s the sun pkmn…
Giving Mud Sport/Water Sport +1 priority and then changing it to a 2/3 reduction rather than 50% should be a good boost to the move. It allows slower users of the moves to set up a resist, and gives a good reason to use Water Sport over Rain Dance. Then the moves just need to be given out to pokemon that have any use. Sort of like how Zigzagoon gets Mud Sport and could use that to help it against Wattson. A pokemon like Aron already learns Mud Slap and would benefit from setting up Mud Sport to help against Electric damage. Gulpin could get access to both moves in order to make it more bulky for Wattson/Flannery. I don't think it needs to get too crazy, but slapping Mud Sport on movesets around level 20 for Wattson and around level 30 for Flannery might be enough to have people consider them.
Mud Sport should now reduces the base power of Electric-type moves by 2/3=67 percent is something that I can get beyond so co-sign Id like a +1 in priority but I’m not mad if it doesn’t happen. What I do want is the user of mud sport to get a stat boost in Evasion or Special defense. Which ever I Am pushing for Mud Sport to last for 10 turns not just until the user switches out. If anyone has every had been mudding they understand. I also think Minun luvdisc Mantine Surskit an Corsola should get access to mud sport! Plusle and azurill Roselia should get water sport access an maybe? I need to Have water sport user special defense stat raise 1 stage! That’ll help em survive. Be worth more. Iastly idk why this needs to be said but I’ll say it. Another thing yes Many Ground-type Pokémon can learn Mud Sport by leveling up despite already being immune to Electric attacks, making the effects of this move useless for them in Single Battles ok tru..However, the bonus in stage will help compensate for that plus its a mechanic made to be useful in Double Battles to help allies; Anyway imo. But if we make it last 10-11 turns then it is also useful in Single Battles due to the effect lasting after switching would make the move worth while! Grasswhistle should be on Nuzleaf! Not just on Roselia not up for debate!
@@JayClearman411 yeah, sounds like a good direction. I thought (still in the ground segment of the video) of like "when the effect is apllied to a ground type, then aply a stockpile effect as well". Because a good chunk of mud around them would make them "a bit more sturdy". for water sport I would aplly the effect of "when the effect is apllied to a water pokemon, then aply a 30% damage increase to the next used water move". Boosting the special atk by one stage of a water pokemon "for certain mons" would maybe a bit to well ment. Milotic and Ludicolo would go nuts.
Mud sport should act like a ground type soak, giving ground type to everyone on the field. Idk if it should be just their secondary type or the whole thing like soak. Then everyone gets an electric immunity and grounds weaknesses. Swampert can now do double damage with water moves. Linoone does with surf, Piloswine with blizzard. Geodude now hits earthquakes on flying types. Pokemon lose their secondary stab boost. In doubles, the electric counter to your gyarados no longer works, and gyarados gets stab earthquake. And it's a natural evolution to the original effect since instead of giving everyone on the field a single resistance the type has, we just turn it into that type altogether and give all the positives and negatives of it. And for water sport, the same thing but for water. So masquerain won't just get a fire resistance. It temporarily becomes bug water like everyone wants, stab water moves, but gets an electric weakness, which makes sense because everyone covered in water should be vulnerable to electric attacks. And Ludicolo and latias can use their grass and electric moves better against the opponent. Whiscash could lose its x4 grass weakness by being pure water (water/water type).
The reduction should be 75% over 66% imo. That way, mons that would be weak to the affected type, like say a Water-type using Mud Sport against an incoming Electric-type attack, would become a resist instead. This is important, because otherwise switching into a resist would always be the better play outside of extremely niche situations, since taking only 50% of the damage would always be better than taking ~66%. That, on top of the moves taking up a moveslot as opposed to switching being a universal, effectively +6 priority mechanic. Of course, neutral mons like Zigzagoon would benefit even more, but considering the nature of the moves taking up a moveslot and turn to use, I'd say it's still well within the realms of balance.
"Zap Canon is getting its accuracy raised to 70 in attempt to get at least ONE player to use this move" Aye, aye captain! - Magneton its finally our time to shine!
Here's what you do with Mudsport. Misspell is, call it Mudspout, make it Ground-type Waterspout, give it to Groudon, and make my 12 year old self justified for mistaking "Waterspout" for "Watersport"
8:00 Hear me out, what if you just turned Razor Wind into an 80 BP Dark-type move with a high crit rate (instead of making it Flying-type). It's only learned naturally by Dark types in Gen 3 (Nuzleaf and Absol) and would give them a solid Dark move for them to have late-game. That and Razor Wind's concept seemingly came from this yokai that Sneasel was based on (another Dark type).
Here's a wild, janky, and potentially bad idea for mudsport. Make it a field affect that lowers opponents evasion. If you cover the field in mud that will make it harder to move around in therefore making it harder to avoid moves. You could alternatively make it lower speed, but this way it'll make it easier for rock and steel moves to easier hit their targets since those 3 types kinda play together.
@@fortello7219 You do know TMs are one time use in gen 3, right? And Hyper Voice in multi-target in doubles (though, admittedly, that can be a bad thing as well).
@@Shalakor I'm aware, yes. Are you aware that the last two legacy hacks made all TMs re-purchasable? Also, I don't really see how that applies to Vine Whip at all. As far as Hyper Voice, its pretty unlikely that you're seriously using multiple normal types... ever, and if all the moves and movesets are being updated then it's pretty likely that you won't be teaching return to most other Pokemon that aren't Normal type unless it's a temporary addition. Honestly there's a lot of reasons that Hyper Voice should do more than 100 BP. Such as being extremely rare, not getting other STAB moves, etc. It didn't seem all that important to list out every single reason on a TH-cam comment with no peer review.
Charge should act like Stockpile. It can charge up to 3 times, making your next electric move do x2, x3, and x4 damage based on how much its charged. And you don't lose the charge until after an electric move is used. So you can do something in between and it's still ok. Thats what everyone basically assumed it did anyway. In reality, its 1 charge, and an electric attack must be used next turn or else the charge is lost.
I'm thinking of simply replacing all the Emerald sprites with Ruby/Sapphire sprites once Emerald Legacy is out, just because I think the Emerald sprites are ugly.
Hyper Voice should be raised to 110. Since return exists and every single pokemon can learn it, I'd just stick to return for sheer power. This would give return back to another potential candidate. Edit. I accidentally put boom burst. I'm an idiot 🤣
@terrysyvertson9205 I think they probably meant Hyper Voice. Which yes, I was thinking the problem is that Return exists. Albeit, maybe Hyper Voice is already balanced with the buff to 100, because it's only slightly weaker and you can decide you'd rather save the TM for someone else. ❤
My only thought on Mud Sport and Water Sport is to maybe make them like Screens in that they effect the whole party for 5 Turns. Mud Sport making your team take 1/2 damage from Electric Type Moves and maybe prevent Paralysis, while Water Sport does the same for Fire Type Moves and Burn. If just having 1 Type of move is not strong enough, you might be able to do 2 Types. I could definitely see Water Sport acting like a 5 turn party wide Fire/Water Screen and Mud Sport being an Electric/Grass screen. Regardless! Love your content and just finished Yellow Legacy, about to dive in and try Crystal Legacy for my first ever playthrough of Crystal itself. Stay safe and have fun peeps ✌️
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
Now here's an idea--how about giving Poison Tail to the likes of Beedrill or other Pokemon with stingers? It makes sense and it's a bit surprising Game Freak hasn't done that yet.
@@Bludvarg if that is done I’d also like to see rapidash with both jump kick and blaze kick.. I mean I believe it’s feet are on fire.. I think? I’d like to see sea king with drill peck since it learns peck. Ok an another thing can we please plz have rapidash learn extreme speed I’m begging you for crying out loud.
@@razzdiamond6447 ahh man thank you kindly.. I just think of stuff that I’d like to see implemented in game..especially when I always thought about this kinda stuff as a younger dude talking with my bro. Stuff that sort of made sense..an Id look back an see the potential for stuff.
Can you please share more of this very logical wisdom? I'm working on a colosseum mod and I want to add extra moves to the learnset of pokemons. For example nuzleaf, shiftry and sceptile learning grasswhistle. Hitmonlee learning blaze kick. I'll add every move you guys mention since they all seem very logical for dem mons to have! I also gave magcargo water absorb since it can easily evaporate water. It says so in his pokedex. I gave ditto wonderguard lol hoping people will consider using ditto. I'll also add every change that smithplays has made for his emerald legacy game! @@JayClearman411
For mud sport, I think the best solution is about who gets it. Rather than teaching it to rock and ground types, have birds and land-based water types get it. It might not still be good but why can't a Pelipper cover itself with mud to try and counteract it's 4x weakness to electricity? Similar story for water sport - select grass types could get it to fight their fire weakness. Also pls keep egg bomb's grass conversion. Even if exeggcutor never makes an appearance until battle frontier or something.
Just turn everyone's secondary type on the field to ground. Partners get an electric immunity (works well with gyarados). Water and grass moves do more damage (swampert, linoone surf, piloswine blizzard). Flying types no longer are immune to ground moves (their wings are caked in mud and can no longer fly) It's better than ground types, who are immune to electric attacks, getting an additional 66% resistance to it.
I'm surprised you didn't go into more detail on the Crabhammer change. 110 BP with 100% accuracy and a high crit ratio, holy Miltank! I guess as the signature move for the crab pokemon which don't have high special it's fine, but still!
Bro did NOT just slander Sandstorm in the same generation where Sand Stream TTar was born 💀 Ok so for context, in Gens 3-5, weather from abilities is PERMANENT until you switch out. If you somehow manage to get Tyranitar, now you have Gen 3 TTar with extra special defense, a buffed Rock Slide, and physical Crunch and Pursuit. And you will never make that Sand Stream go away unless you have Rain Dance or Sunny Day because, since that weather comes from an ability, it's going to stay there until the battle is over. Bro did NOT need to buff who is already the best Pokémon in Gen 3 Edit: I know that Tyranitar is not available in a playthrough, but still. Assuming the Legacy games still have Multiplayer features, trading and all that, this means that on a hypothetical competitive scene, the best Pokémon of Gen 3 OU got SIGNIFICANTLY better because it's STAB attacks became more minmaxed and is now even bulkier on the special side. The reason TTar is so dominant in Gen 3 is because permanent sand pressures what would otherwise be a very bulky and stall-oriented environment, but still had the disadvantages of special Crunch and easily taken down with Surf, but with the SpDef boost of it's own sand and Physical Crunch, Tyranitar is getting the whole ass buffet.
@@cloudbankcity And what if I go through a massive trading process that leads to me having a Tyranitar that'll plow through the adventure? And besides, stuff like the Battle Frontier exists
In gen 3, sandstorm doesn't give any boost or benefits. Its only effect is to damage non ground, rock, or steel types; pokemon with sand veil are also immune (Cacnea and Cacturne)
@@luizbezerra4373 And that's why Tyranitar is so good Since it Sandstorm gets activated immediately, AND never goes away unless you have a dedicated moveslot to remove it, is why TTar is such a dominant force. As it's sandstorm, although not giving boosts, cuts the recovery of Pokémon like Blissey, Milotic, Gengar or Snorlax. But not that of Pokémon like Skarmory, Swampert, Jirachi or Flygon.
Why stop there? Why not giving it a boost to the next electric moves, a +4 priority against the Pokémon you used flash on, it increases your attack and special attack, and misty rides you.
Not that Larvitar is a Pokemon you can find in the game early. But adding the Rock Special Defense boost to Sandstorms would make Tyranitar cracked. It was already considered the best Non-Legendary Pokemon in Gen 3. Now you're effectively giving it a BST of over 670.
The best option for Razor Wind is to make it the Megahorn alternative for Winged Bug Types. A one turn move with 120 base power and 85% accuracy. Based on the video, a lot of types now have a late game inaccurate high power move like Fire Blast and Blizzard. Bug types do have Megahorn but it's not as accessible as those other moves due to design. A lot of bug types in Emerald's regional dex don't have horns or spikes to justify using Megahorn. However, what they do have in common is their wings. The list is pretty long with Beautifly, Dustox, Masquerain, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, and Illumise. The second reason is the mere existence of Heracross which is one of the best bug type in the game by a landside. Who also just so happen to learn Megahorn that it only shares with Pinser. A powerful Bug type Razor Wind would make players hesitate dropping the other bug types they got earlier in their run. It would also be a nice late game boost as well. Finally, this change fits Emerald Legacy balance philosophy and retroactively fits well for the other legacy games: Crystal and Yellow. Megahorn didn't exist in Gen 1 and Gen 2 has the same issue as Gen 3. Butterfree, Beedrill, Venomoth, Ledian and Yanma wouldn't complain if they got the chance to spread their wings. 🦋🐝🪰
@@Aerogod223 My fault on the wording of my post. I meant it as a late game Bug type move for winged Bug types. Not a Flying type move for only bug types. It wouldn't be flying type like Sky Attack.
For Razor Wind, my idea (that I’m using in my passion project rom that has been decently balanced) is to make it 55 BP, hit both enemies, and have high crit, in one turn. Make it Flying type, and you basically have a Weaker Aeroblast. This makes it a good mid-stage double battle focused attack, and it is kind of like Razor Leaf, allowing it to feel solid. In my rom, it is pretty balanced. It works pretty well, too!
I think the idea behind Zap Cannon and Dynamic Punch is that you're supposed to use them together with Mind Reader and Lock-On. To encourage players to actually use them that way I would leave the accuracy as is but increase the power all the way up to 140.
Razor Wind as a 120 BP Normal charge move that skips the charge in the rain makes sense. In the main game, it's only learned by Absol and Nuzleaf, as well as Zangoose and Tropius by breeding. Absol knows it where you encounter it in the rain on Rt. 120. It's a simple change that makes Absol feel at home on the route and gives it and Zangoose a little nudge towards inclusion on rain teams.
There’s lots of ways we can go about it.. my thoughts we can give it a high critical hit rate of 30-50% Or we can give it the leaf blade treatment have your Pokémon get pumped after using it.. maybe or we go in another direction make it a Flying type move, that Always results in a critical hits! an in battle after it hits it will force a switch out (like whirlwind) another Pokémon in its party. In the wild, the battle ends. Or to the next Pokémon in line that has not fainted (if there is one). Yup an since it’s a 1-turn charge guess what NO decrease in priority😉
@@JayClearman411 Those are a lot of changes. The original move is Normal, 80 BP, 100% Acc with a 1-turn charge. I think it fits the Legacy vibe to give it a simple 50% power increase. Weather is the premier mechanic of RSE, so skipping the charge turn in rain (the inverse of Solar Beam) is a natural-feeling upgrade that fits the only wild Pokemon you'll realistically see the move on.
@@12triproberts yeah true. But as a grass type, being in the sun leaves it vulnerable to its main weakness. I feel like grass a types as a whole, since they don't have their own weather, should be able to fit into rain or sun. Kind of like heliolisk, who can run dry skin to be immune to water attacks and gain leftover healing in rain (not to mention accurate thunder) or run solar power to essentially get a free life orb. I think that's the ideal, being able to fit into multiple weathers but having a different style based on which weather they're in.
Make it so Mud Sport's effect (and Water Sport's) doesn't disappear when the user switches out. That way you can have a resist for ground and water by using the move if you're not using a Pokémon that resists those types. Should help balance Wattson even better For Poison Fang I would also recommend increasing it to 50% badly poison chance like in gen 5 onwards I think it'd be fun to give Dragon Claw a high crit chance as well. If you decide to do that possibly decrease it to 85 power (like modern games Dragon Pulse)
Water sport can maybe increase the power of water-type moves by 30-50% whichever stops burns not just halves the power of fire type moves. Also like a boost in evasion or sp.def… Mud sport could maybe increase sp def of the user while decreasing accuracy of your opponent’s pkmn… plus boost the damage of ground type moves by 30% prevents paralysis would be great not just halving the power of thunder type moves.
@@Hatabi0in that case maybe have it so if a pkmn uses Nature power or Secret power after using water sport .. nature power will be water spout secret power will be water pulse. Or pkmn using Secret Power or Nature Power after using mud sport the enemy is hit with a mud shot or… muddy water??? Idk
Ideas for mud sport: 1.also buff ground moves by 10% 2. Buffs a stat of the user 3. Doubles speed of ground types 4.Prevents paralysis for teammates 5. Doubles power of muddy water I think any of these or a combo of them could make the move fun, something similar could be done with water sport preventing burns etc.
Maybe mud sport and water sport could function like charge? That might actually be of some use for the Pokemon that have one of those two moves in their move lists.
@@Adam-ajb Yes just what I was thinking the water/mud sport effects should last 10-11 turns irregardless of switching.. Also think they should boost special defense for the user in particular.. to help with viability an maybe it should effect the whole field?? Maybe have mud slap and mud shot double the power if used in combination..like electric moves and charge! likewise with water sport an water gun,water spout,hydro pump… maybe just water moves in general idk..
Thanks so much for all your team's hard work on this project ❤ Here are my 4 suggestions for Emerald Legacy: 1. Faster surfing speed would be *super* make water routes better. Also, reuseable TMs. 2. Make it that we can use HM's outside of battle without teaching them to our pokemon and 3. The player is always running without pressing the b button. 4. Add more double battles (even a just a couple would make it better than original emerald) Another recommendation: Dont rush this project. We'll get it when we get it. Slow and steady wins the cuality race :)
This might be broken, but mudsport should just make it so the pokemon it's used against can't use electric moves. Like it's covered in mud so the electricity can't get out.
@@rainbowskin3379 ok but you can use mud sport then swap out to another pokemon weak to electric, like gyarados halved damage for a few turns isn't really worth it, but an immunity for any pokemon on your team would be kind of insane
The move description says that "the user covers itself in mud to raise electrical resistance" so that wouldn't make sense though... I think they should just make it so more non-ground types learn it
Razor wind Idea: at minimum, give it the increased crit rate it got in gen 4 and onward in addition to it hitting both targets like in vanilla, and also maybe make it raise Attack or Crit rate turn 1 like how Skull Bash raises Defense. I also have a more creative idea for it in addition to or as an alternative to the attack or critical rate boost: +2 priority on the attacking turn, thus making it an Extremespeed side-grade. (Buffing attack or crit rate and then firing off a 2x crit-rate, both-foe-hitting Extremespeed has gotta be worth a charge-turn, right?) The logic behind the priority buff is that conceptually, Razor Wind (Japanese name: “Kamaitachi”, after the mythical weasel youkai which was the origin of the whole wind-slash concept) is supposed to be the Japanese media trope of a samurai or other katana-user readying their blade before drawing and slashing SO FAST that the air the blade displaces becomes a sharpened projectile (e.g., Vergil’s Judgement Cut from Devil May Cry, the Tempest Kick and several of Zoro’s named attacks from One Piece, or Crono’s “Wind Slash” Tech from Chrono Trigger); I gave it +2 priority because the whole point is that the attack itself comes out ridiculously fast. It should stay Normal type and not become Flying because a) the technique is usually depicted as a thing any swordsman can do if they’re fast enough with a blade, not something that requires actual air/wind powers, and b) Gen 3 already HAS the version that uses actual wind powers, it’s called Air Cutter; making Razor Wind Flying Type would cause it to conflict/cause redundancy issues with Air Cutter, which also hits both opponents for increased critical rate. Side note: we absolutely HAVE to give Razor Wind to Sneasel, the fact that it somehow doesn’t learn the move in vanilla despite being a LITERAL kamaitachi (i.e. the youkai the move was NAMED after in Japanese) is just as big a crime as Lickitung not learning Lick in RBY.
Mud Sport ideas: 1. Sharply lower the foe's accuracy (by 2 stages) but only hits 80 or 90% of the time. In theory, spewing mud all over the place gives me the mental image of not seeing very well, even more so than Sand Attack, so it may work, but it's still a daring move since it's not 100% accurate. 2. Give to non ground pokemon that are weak against electricity, like a bird or a fish. 3. Make it so the foe can''t escape (not really a fan of this btw). 4. Turn it into a bind/wrap move where it traps the enemy in mud for 2-5 turns. This conflicts with Sand Tomb though, so maybe it could work idk (I guess Clamp AND Whirlpool do the same thing for Water Type so maybe it won't be so bad). This would be my second vote after my first idea.
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
So i think a cool way to buff mudsport is to make it so it halfs the users speed but gives +1 in defence and spdef. The reasoning is because it says they cover themselves in mud to make them impervious to electric moves so instead maybe it is coating them in thick hard mud to absorb damage and in doing so they become slower. Another way to approach this is to make it so they double both defensive stats but are unable to switch out. Sort of like a worse no retreat. The premise comes from the game “stuck in the mud” where you cant move once stuck. I also think this could work since pokemon who learn this move are normally quite defensive and would benefit from this. I do believe it can be abit overbearing as an early game move so maybe it can be a later down the line move but on marshstomp it does learn it relatively late anyway. Finally maybe the move could be a sticky web as the animation shows mud being splattered all over the field and in later move descriptions it is stated that the user throws mud ALL over the battlefield. I think it should be a sticky web to ALL non-ground and non-flying/levivating pokemon as they arent adept to the muddy area. This could be balanced by being applied to both user and target since it explicitly states the entire field meaning teambuilding has to be considered when using the move. I personally like the 3rd one the best as it sounds fhe most fun but yh any potential balancing is very much welcome.
I'd like Aerial Ace to be 70 BP as well. It's the only Flying move Salamence can really use and 60 BP is just too weak most of the time to make it worthwhile. As a coverage move it is also extremely underpowered and for regular flyers you have no reason to use it when Wing Attack exists and has more PP.
Ghost being a special type is something I've always wanted, but the way we've gotten used to it, and the fact that Hidden Power Ghost is one of the only reasons for the Fighting type's viability in Gen 3 (that being a very interesting intricacy) and Medicham getting Shadow Ball have been very interesting and unique in this way. EDIT: Add Sand Rush to fix sand and Slush Rush to fix hail, as well as adding some new gen mechanics to those weathers It would be really cool to see how a competitive format in this work!
"We couldn't give Sceptile the Dragon-Type" Everybody focuses on Dragon-Type Sceptile, but nobody talks about Grass/Flying Sceptile, which makes so much more sense: - STAB Aerial Ace fits so well with Sceptile's design. - ~~Flying creates a secondary, reverse type Triangle with the Hoenn Starters~~ (I was wrong about this, it isn't actually a type triangle as was pointed out below, but it still has interesting interactions with both other starters, especially when you factor in Blaziken with Sky Uppercut) - fits the Pokédex lore of the Evo line, which talks about it's incredible mobility in forests and role as a forest guardian. - have you seen Grovyle? So clearly meant to be a gliding lizard concept, making it a perfect transition into Flying typing. -prrtty sure I remember an anime episode where Ash's Sceptile glides in a city using the updrafts between buildings. - my weakest argument, but that tail looks like it would generate lift. And could be used to create wind-based attacks. - You could even repurpose Razor Wind into a near exclusive move for Shifty, Tropius and Sceptile, thus solving the "what do we do with Razor Wind" problem.
The reverse type triangle is inaccurate. Flying Sceptile has a double advantage over Swampert since Flying is immune to Ground, and Ground and Fighting have no correlation to each other. It would only serve to even out Sceptile and Blaziken's type matchup with no equivalent for Swampert. The other stuff is good though!
@@Dudeman23rd Right you are. I got a little muddled there, my bad. That being said, whilst Swampert doesn't gain any advantage via STAB in this setup, it can still take advantage of the typing due to its access to strong Ice and Rock moves. It's not perfect, and using a Swampert against any Grass type is always going to be a risk, but it's still good.
I feel Hyper Voice is just a victim of the pre physical special split. When it became special in gen 4 it basically became the defacto normal type special move until boomburst came along, and even then boomburst is quite rare
Could buff Exploud by repurposing the unused ability Cacophony to make sound moves more powerful. It’d only affect Uproar and Hyper Voice for it, but would be cool.
Mud Sport: Sets muddy layer functionally like spikes (can be cleared with rapid spin), but instead of entry damage: - weakens electric moves. (1 layer 50% damage, 2 layer 25% damage) - lowers speed or evasion (whichever works best for balancing) by 1 stage on entry. - boost power for mud moves. (mud slap, mud shot) - changes nature power to mud shot. Alternative/additional idea(s) for mud sport: - Pseudo Shed Skin ability (stack with actual ability) for own team (15% chance per layer to remove burn, poison, etc by "rubbing some dirt it in") - 50% Sp.Def boost for ground types to mirror the Rock type boost from Sandstorm.
All great ideas except I’d make lowering accuracy a option too. Maybe it can raise the Defense and special defense of all ground Type pkmn for 10 turns. While boosting the users speed maybe idk just a suggestion.
@@JayClearman411 I think mud sport lowering evasion on entry would be nice as both mud moves dont have perfect accuracy as well as mud slap being able to lower accuracy, and mud shot can lower speed. Mud becoming a hindering archetype would be neat to see and experiment with for movepool and team building.
Maybe Mud sport can work if it's treated like Light Screen or Reflect.... where it cuts damage for the team even if the user switches out. And maybe instead of just halving the damage, it completely nullifies said damage while it's up?
Idea for Mud and Water Sport: Mud Sport lingers on the field like screens for 5 turns, reducing damage of electric type attacks by half. Water sport the same as above, but for fire type moves. Both remove secondary effects of the types they protect against and nullify status moves of the type that are applied to other mons, e.g. Thunderwave and Willow Wisp. If both are active on the filed at the same time and a fire move is used, the target takes damage but then gets +1 Def (fire hardening and drying out the mud, think of making clay). This would give it much needed utility as a great support move, and would give it some niche applications for double battles. This wouldn't even be all that broken since in a singles format it would require set up like screens, and appropriate investment. If you want to cook further, make the items that boost ground and water moves extend the duration of the effect by three turns.
Delcatty should have Slack Off according to its Ruby entry: "DELCATTY prefers to live an unfettered existence in which it can do as it pleases at its own pace. Because this POKéMON eats and sleeps whenever it decides, its daily routines are completely random." The other entries are similar. Loudred should at least learn Shock Wave by TM, if not by level-up, according to its ORAS entry: "The shock waves from its cries can tip over trucks. It stamps its feet to power up."
If we’re talking about moves pkmn should learn I’d like to start with seviper maybe learning super fang? She’ll see learning lick? Misdreavus is the screech pkmn but cannot learn screech Gyarados Aerial Ace?? Rapidash extreme speed plz An sharpedo should learn more water moves through level up its only got hydro pump an that’s if you keep it a carvanha Bellossom Has to have teeter dance I mean cmon..machamp Superpower must have!
@@JayClearman411 I'm guessing "She'll see" was some kind of crazy autocorrect, but can't think off the top of my head which Pokemon's name was replaced by it.
The "shock waves" mentioned in Loudred's dex entry are referring to powerful sound waves. Shock Wave, the move, is a brief burst of electricity. Just because the words line up doesn't mean their meaning does.
maybe for the sport moves- in addition to reducing the respective damage, it functions like charge, boosting the next attack of its type so mud sport would power down electric type attacks and boost the next ground type attack
So I play the frontier with Metagross a lot, and the best way (and only way really) I've found to check Latias/Latios, Alakazam, Gardevoir and Starmie is to switch into Metagross, tank 2 hits if necessary, and destroy them with Shadow Ball. If you switch Ghost to special then that doesn't work anymore and those mons become 20 times more annoying to deal with. I hope Ghost remains physical, changing it only harms multiple pokemon just to... help Gengar? A pokemon that isn't even on the game?
Exactly! And Gengar doesn't even need help to begin with, it's one of the best, most versatile pokemons in the game already. Both Banette and Dusclops, the only ghost types in Hoenn, have higher physical attack. It also hurts Slaking and Snorlax, not just Metagross.
In Smith's defense, this is a change that is more to maintain consistency with previous hackROMs. I've also heard plans to give Metagross Crunch, so you should still be able to get a good hit on them.
8:00 For razor wind I think the best thing you could do to it is make it a flying type shadow ball as their isn't a single 100% accurate 80 base power flying move that can be used by most flying types in the game. The move could also allow other Pokémon to gain access to a flying type move that they normal wouldn't be able to have. yes fly, wing attack and other decent flying type moves exist but they either have lower power or aren't 100% accurate. Changing the move to this could benefit Pokemon like Salamence, Beautifly, Swellow, Pelipper, etc. some none flying type pokemon that "I think" could use this move might include: Sceptile, Shiftry, Flygon, Absol, Latios, Latias, etc.
While I like the idea, that vastly takes away from the idea of what water sport / mud sport are there for, so Smith probably wouldn’t do that sort of thing. I think he should probably just stick to the type thing but maybe make it actually helpful, so mud sport could just decrease the power of water moves instead of electric moves. That makes sense to me because there’s so much water all over hoenn, the ground types could have developed some sort of resistance strategy such as a move that decreases water damage. Water and mud also have an inherent interaction in nature so you could make sense of it somehow lol
@@Dylxan327 but why stop there, fire gets put out by dirt especially mud, so it could also weaken fire type moves. Weakening three times would be a pretty useful move
Mudsport: Can't be used while mudsport is active. Current effect + boost for defense and/or special defense since you are covered in Mud. Or Mudsport is Sticky Web, but ground. Thank you for caring so much about the older games.
Mud sport could maybe grant Electric resistance (not 50% reduction, so it works better for flying and water pokemon... and for pelipper) and make pokemon inmune to sandstorm damage for 5 turns. So it could be useful against Wattson as a first turn set up move and after that fight could be used to fit more pokemon in a sandstorm team.
How about Mud Sport being an entry hazard move like spikes or toxic spikes but instead dealing damage. It lowers the opponents speed by 1 every time a pokemon switches in
Ive said this plenty of times but the EASIEST way to handle Rayquaza before the E4 is to NERF ITS LEVEL FROM 70 TO 45! ITS A LEGACY GAME NOT A KAIZO GAME OR A ROM HACK. DO NOT GATEKEEP RAYQUAZA IN A GAME WHERE IT IS ON THE COVER ART. NERF ITS LEVEL TO A MORE APPROPRIATE LEVEL AND LEAVE THE REST ALONE!!!!!!! Edit: My bad this was clearly mistyped, obviously my decades of internet usage wasn't enough for me to remember that Caps locks means shouting on the internet lololol anyway sorry for how rude this sounded as that was not my intention. Regarding Rayquaza, I would LIKE (lol) to have access to it before the E4 but I also understand its unfair advantage in the E4; ergo the level drop idea. Regarding soothing Kyogre and Groudon, iirc its Air Lock ability is what calms them down in lore, not its level. If that's still an issue, then both Kyogre and Groudon can also be nerfed in level. Either way, I would appreciate that piece of the game to still be enabled for the player to access at the same time as in the original. Again, sorry for all of ^^^ this nonsense.
Its supposed to be giga-powerful. Its the top dog of the weather trio and a giant bad-ass dragon. You are not forced to use it or even capture it, its an optional mon to use
Yes because talking in all caps like a screaming child is definitely the way to get what you want. Maybe if we whine hard enough together, maybe we'll get smith to make our personal visions true >///
Im approaching this from a "Mud is sticky, and everywhere" perspective Mud Sport: - Make it a duration (2-5 Turns), Gives Ground type moves Priority (Ground type Trick Room, essentially), Generally Covers most Ground types' Speed weakness or - Entry Hazard, lowers stats or - Boosts power of Ground type moves or - Boosts power of "Mud" related moves (muddy water, Mud Shot, Mud Slap) or - Adds an extra effect to Ground type moves (This is a stretch, I can't currently think of any attacks/setups that do this that's not Thunder + Rain Dance, or Sunny Day + Solarbeam) or - Changes Targets type to ground (makes Ground more defensive overall, with its common counters being reduced to their Non-Stab Levels) or - Future Sight esque mechaic: Makes targets unable to move for a turn after a set number of turns passes i.e: Turn 1. Mud is spread everywhere Turn 3: The Mud has hardned! X Cannot move! The issue I have with this is that, it doesn't fit its other counterparts like Water Sport, so you'd need to change water sport to something similar. It's almost like you have to rework the entirety of the Sport moves to justify them properly
Yo I think I have a solution for razor wind. Make it a flying (or normal tbf) type circle throw. So my logic is that when you use it, it says something about whipping up a whirlwind. This makes the switch effect make sense. Also circle throw has decreased priority, which is reminiscent of it being a two-turn attack. While it won't be the strongest move, it'll have some increased utility/ novelty
The changes I think would make sense would be: 1. Razor Wind drop from 80 to 65 base power, but it always crits instead of crits being a chance. It’s still a two turn move but in earlier gens this would make it effectively 130 base power. 2. Mud/Water Sport changing to effectively be field wide Soaks. All Pokemon on the field become Ground with Mud Sport and Water with Water Sport until they switch out or faint.
Greetings ! Great move revision, it all sounds great :D suggestions regarding mud and water sport, as per shared ideas in comments of previous videos: - Water Sport can soak the field and reduce incoming fire damage by 50-75%, lasting 5 turns (similar to reflect/light screen, it won't go away on switch and affects allies in double battles). Additionally, it could either activate ability effects - like rain dish - or give the user a 50% speed or SpDef boost. That speed boost would not work together with swift swim users, as the rain speed multiplier is higher, therefore takes precedence. It should also be available for some grass types as a way to counter fire without depending on rain (Roselia gets it in gen 4 via Budew, so it could get it here, for example. Bug types other than Surskit could get it too); - Mud Sport muddies the field and reduces incoming electric moves by 50-75%, lasting 5 turns (same thing as water sport). It could also boost mud moves specifically by 50-100% (mud slap and mud shot are the only ones available so it doesn't become op) to give it good synergy with a ground type user midgame while also potentially benefitting other allies with the damage reduction. It could also have more distribution, especially with pokémon known to be good diggers. - Finally, if the secondary effects feel too powerful on their own and you'd like to see a reason to use both moves, you could add these when both are in the field - Fire/Electric moves reduced effectiveness by 75% instead of 50%, duration goes up to 7-8 turns, 50% SpDef boost and 100% boost to mud slap mud shot and muddy water (maybe too much but so fun haha). Hope that helps ! Keep up the great work ^^
Give Mudsport and Watersport to Non ground & Non water types respectively (Water types and Grass types are good for each of said moves). Surf could drop 5 base power so it is good but slightly less so since that was done in modern games. A crazier idea for both Sports moves is to remove trapping effects (Arena trap, Magnet pull, Mean look, etc)
My suggestion for Mud Sport and Water Sport is that they should function like charge. Alternatively you could make it so mud sport will block the next ground move from hitting the user and raise its attack, same for water but raise its special attack, make it a +1 priorty. This is interesting as a lot of ground types are weak to ground moves due to their secondary typing, only a couple of water types would benefit from this being swampert and whishcash, but water types are already good enough and dont need buffs
I know this video is for movepools but I had an idea about the Rayquaza debacle you’ve had on stream. Why not have a Double battle with Lance and Claire. Story is that they were both looking for new dragon Pokémon in Hoenn when they heard the legend of Rayquaza. They both find themselves at his door and start to battle to see who should capture the legend when you arrive. When you show up looking to capture the dragon for yourself, they decide to team up to try and end the battle with you quickly so they can get back to the battle themselves. After you win, they decide that you were more worthy and let you pass to finally capture Rayquaza.
Whatever changes get made to Mud Sport, it only makes sense that there would be a vaguely symmetrical change made to Water Sport. I don't see any way you can preserve these moves' identity without them being garbage. Even increasing the number of types they interact with wouldn't make it much more interesting, so they either need removed, reinvented, or ignored. So here are some random symmetrical changes that the moves could have: 1) Water Sport gives all water moves +1 priority and Mud Sport does the same for Ground moves. 2) Water Sport prevents stat decreases, Mud Sport prevents stat increases. 3) Mud Sport could act like Sticky Web, and Water Sport could increase the speed of all Pokemon currently on the field by 2 stages (can't stack).
for mud/water sport, make it grant the partner IMMUNITY to electric/fire respectively. or you could make it so it raises the user's sp. def, like a special defense curl. it would help patch up a major weakness of pokemon like geodude
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
@@Alienldr changing type might be outside the scope of Gen3 since moves that changed a pokemon's type didn't exist prior to gen5 [ i think] unless you count Transform or Conversion which are moves with extremely limited availability.
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
You should add an option for a doubles run. Every fight is a double battle. Similar to adding hard mode etc, just an optional thing. Makes it like a new game.
Been excited for this one. Been working on a gen 3 rom hack and the moves and move sets are so terrible, love to see how different people try to fix this.
Not only are the moves not great but some of the movesets are just awful as well. Sandshrew's only STAB move is Sand Tomb, which it gets at level 45. Beedrill and both Nidoran lines only get Poison Sting for Poison STAB. Psyduck doesn't even get Water Gun at all, despite Psyduck in the anime having Water Gun, and its only Water STAB is Hydro Pump at level 50. Zubat's only Poison move is the 50 power Poison Fang, which it gets at level 41. Oddish only has 8 level up moves total, and only 3 of them are attacking moves. This is just a few examples and I'm not even halfway through the Kanto Pokemon. We all love the Hoenn region but they definitely did not show enough love to many of the Pokemon that were available in this generation.
Mud Sport could be an early game Sp Attack lowering move. Mainly Ground types learn it, so you'll either use it to lower the Sp Attack of the Electric type you countered for someone else on your team, or be able to lower the stats of the Water or Grass type that switches in to destroy you (assuming the opponents can switch).
Mud sport: Entry hazard. Like Ground type sticky web but instead lowers accuracy on physical moves (because of slipping) by 20%. Max 2 sets. Make "Spikes" Steel type instead of ground. Makes Skarmory's spikes make more sense.
Mud Sport decreases the speed of all enemy pokemon by a single stage for 5 turns. This will help out mons like Geodude who are slow in the early game (alternatively, it could reduce Evasiveness, lowering speed may be a little much.. maybe if it was only for 3 turns). Flying types and pokemon with Levitate are immune. Think of this like anti-tailwind. It’s hard to move quickly when you’re knee-deep in mud! Water Sport will cause Electric moves used by the enemy team to cause recoil damage for 5 turns. The dampness of the arena causes electric pokemon to short circuit and harm themselves when they use electric moves.
3 possible suggestions for Mud Sport: (in increasing order of radicalness) 1) have it be a move that’s actually mostly on non-ground types (maybe Treecko and Torchic can learn it for starter balance against Watson?) 2) also weakens fire moves. Maybe even wipes evasion boosts? 3) have it be like a ground-type Aurora Veil: use it in sandstorm for team defensive buffs.
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Reverse valley girl accent
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Now i can't unhear it
It’s a pretty common TH-camr accent. A lot of them do it, and I can’t unhear it.
TH-cam accent
The biggest buff Mud Sport can get is to not be on opponents' movesets
I agree
I need mudsport to be learnable by some water or flying types
Like, keep it the same, but now it can be learned by mons who could benefit from it, like a semi aquatic water type like Poliwag or Lotad, or a land dwelling flying type like Ninjask or Doduo
Ditto for Water sport, have some grass or bug types be able to learn it (preferably those associated with moisture like Oddish, Tangela or Yanma)
@@kirbyofthestarsfan I've never used Water Sport on Budew despite always thinking "ooh this might come in handy!"
Just switch bro 😭
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Seems like most things that learn Water Sport could get it switched to Mudsport. If it was a field effect, that would have some utility for the game's mob of Water-type trainers.
This is the proper answer. It's absolutely pointless in singles, which the game is very much based around. Same deal with Helping Hand; it feels like there are so many Pokemon on Gen III trainers in singles that have Helping Hand, even though the move doesn't have a function in singles.
Thematically, I think it would make sense to have Mud Sport be essentially a reverse tailwind. The mud slows enemy speed by 50% for 5 turns. This change would reflect the change to Muddy Water as well. Flying types could be immune to this effect. This would be useful for ground types which tend to be on the slower side.
Water Sport could act as a sort of temporary soak. Enemies gain a weakness to electric moves (with ground types being succeptable to electric moves. Would increase the already existing synergy between water and electric types.
How about adding a double power effect! Water gun water spout an hydro pump damage is doubled after using water sport. Maybe water sport increases the users special defense an evasion by 1 stage.
How about we have mud sport increase the users special defense by 1 stage. While lowering the opponents accuracy by 1 stage. doubles the damage of sludge mud slap mud shot muddy water.. I need 10-11 turns not just when the user switches!
Water sport stops burns condition from happening maybe..
Mud sport prevents or stops paralysis maybe. Idk
I like this
I like this a lot.
This is my favorite mud sport idea so far.
Maybe with mud sport flying types, ground types and pokemon with levitate are not effected as well? Maybe water can be part of that too.
I agree with water sport. But I think mud sport could be the ground version of soak too
I strongly believe Nuzleaf and Shiftry should lesrn Grasswhistle. The Dex literally claims that Nuzleaf uses leaves to play music!
Do you have any idea how strong a chlorophyll shiftry with 85% accuracy grass whistle can be.
@@detectivetacox9293 I'm wondering if this video went into production before Smith showcased Roselia's ability to solo Wattson. Roselia got jacked, so I think that the balancing will end up closer to Hypnosis accuracy.
@@detectivetacox9293yeah probably not that insane lol. Would literally be worse than frlg butterfree, which is very useful but balanced Pokémon.
I used both Shiftry and Cacturne in my Grass type run in Ruby. Both need buffs to a lot of their moves, especially Cacturne
@@Kali_Krause I like the idea of balancing Grass Whistle for a wider distribution than Roselia. Hypnosis sits at 60% in the vanilla game. Rather than going +10% accuracy to distinguish it from Sleep Powder, I would go -10% to 65 accuracy for Grass Whistle.
Now that Beat Up has been buffed, I think it should be a late learn for Mightyena. Both the Emerald and Sapphire Dex entries (as well as nearly every other generation) talk about Mightyena being a pack hunter, so it makes sense for it to get the 6-on-1 Dark move.
Is not❤dark
@@Tetzll123 Both Mightyena and beat up are dark type.
@@coraljetson3208But despite that, it does typeless Physical damage.
At least per both Bulbapedia and PokémonDB
@@shardtheduraludon If they're messing with the power, I bet it's already fixed or will be shortly, Craig-willing.
Indeed Mightyena = Beat Up (They hunt in packs), Pursuit (wolves chase after their prey), Lick
Magcargo withdraw? Maybe idk 🤷♂️ it has a shell right.
I Must have a Bagon with skull bash SERIOUSLY! It’s astounding that it really can’t learn it. Noctowl calm mind…Cacturne learning spike cannon an scary face would be cool. Shuckle learning Stockpile would be very cool.
Ludicolo an teeter dance just go together..
Does Octillery learn hydro pump or not!? Serious question. Cyndaquil with Agility would be Lovely! Defense Curl & Rollout.
Espeon should be able to learn Extrasensory…an solar beam it’s the sun pkmn…
Giving Mud Sport/Water Sport +1 priority and then changing it to a 2/3 reduction rather than 50% should be a good boost to the move. It allows slower users of the moves to set up a resist, and gives a good reason to use Water Sport over Rain Dance. Then the moves just need to be given out to pokemon that have any use. Sort of like how Zigzagoon gets Mud Sport and could use that to help it against Wattson.
A pokemon like Aron already learns Mud Slap and would benefit from setting up Mud Sport to help against Electric damage. Gulpin could get access to both moves in order to make it more bulky for Wattson/Flannery.
I don't think it needs to get too crazy, but slapping Mud Sport on movesets around level 20 for Wattson and around level 30 for Flannery might be enough to have people consider them.
Mud Sport should now reduces the base power of Electric-type moves by 2/3=67 percent is something that I can get beyond so co-sign
Id like a +1 in priority but I’m not mad if it doesn’t happen.
What I do want is the user of mud sport to get a stat boost in Evasion or Special defense. Which ever
I Am pushing for Mud Sport to last for 10 turns not just until the user switches out. If anyone has every had been mudding they understand.
I also think Minun luvdisc Mantine Surskit an Corsola should get access to mud sport!
Plusle and azurill Roselia should get water sport access an maybe? I need to Have water sport user special defense stat raise 1 stage! That’ll help em survive. Be worth more.
Iastly idk why this needs to be said but I’ll say it.
Another thing yes Many Ground-type Pokémon can learn Mud Sport by leveling up despite already being immune to Electric attacks, making the effects of this move useless for them in Single Battles ok tru..However, the bonus in stage will help compensate for that plus its a mechanic made to be useful in Double Battles to help allies; Anyway imo.
But if we make it last 10-11 turns then it is also useful in Single Battles due to the effect lasting after switching would make the move worth while!
Grasswhistle should be on Nuzleaf! Not just on Roselia not up for debate!
@@JayClearman411 yeah, sounds like a good direction.
I thought (still in the ground segment of the video) of like "when the effect is apllied to a ground type, then aply a stockpile effect as well".
Because a good chunk of mud around them would make them "a bit more sturdy".
for water sport I would aplly the effect of "when the effect is apllied to a water pokemon, then aply a 30% damage increase to the next used water move".
Boosting the special atk by one stage of a water pokemon "for certain mons" would maybe a bit to well ment. Milotic and Ludicolo would go nuts.
Mud sport should act like a ground type soak, giving ground type to everyone on the field. Idk if it should be just their secondary type or the whole thing like soak. Then everyone gets an electric immunity and grounds weaknesses. Swampert can now do double damage with water moves. Linoone does with surf, Piloswine with blizzard. Geodude now hits earthquakes on flying types. Pokemon lose their secondary stab boost. In doubles, the electric counter to your gyarados no longer works, and gyarados gets stab earthquake. And it's a natural evolution to the original effect since instead of giving everyone on the field a single resistance the type has, we just turn it into that type altogether and give all the positives and negatives of it.
And for water sport, the same thing but for water. So masquerain won't just get a fire resistance. It temporarily becomes bug water like everyone wants, stab water moves, but gets an electric weakness, which makes sense because everyone covered in water should be vulnerable to electric attacks. And Ludicolo and latias can use their grass and electric moves better against the opponent. Whiscash could lose its x4 grass weakness by being pure water (water/water type).
The reduction should be 75% over 66% imo. That way, mons that would be weak to the affected type, like say a Water-type using Mud Sport against an incoming Electric-type attack, would become a resist instead.
This is important, because otherwise switching into a resist would always be the better play outside of extremely niche situations, since taking only 50% of the damage would always be better than taking ~66%. That, on top of the moves taking up a moveslot as opposed to switching being a universal, effectively +6 priority mechanic.
Of course, neutral mons like Zigzagoon would benefit even more, but considering the nature of the moves taking up a moveslot and turn to use, I'd say it's still well within the realms of balance.
"Zap Canon is getting its accuracy raised to 70 in attempt to get at least ONE player to use this move" Aye, aye captain! - Magneton its finally our time to shine!
Those Zap Cannon plays are about to go craaazy
Here's what you do with Mudsport. Misspell is, call it Mudspout, make it Ground-type Waterspout, give it to Groudon, and make my 12 year old self justified for mistaking "Waterspout" for "Watersport"
This is the only answer that is correct. And since Kyogre gets Water Spout, Groudon should be equal. Long live the Groudon!
The image of a pokemon pissing on itself to improve fire resistance is definitely something...
Thats very cool
8:00 Hear me out, what if you just turned Razor Wind into an 80 BP Dark-type move with a high crit rate (instead of making it Flying-type). It's only learned naturally by Dark types in Gen 3 (Nuzleaf and Absol) and would give them a solid Dark move for them to have late-game. That and Razor Wind's concept seemingly came from this yokai that Sneasel was based on (another Dark type).
@@darklordbell wow that’s a different take… an I like it. Only thing is I like it’s critical hit ratio to be high… like 30-50%
@@JayClearman411 This would be a good thing to consider since it is a final move. Cranking it up for 30% crit would seem logical.
So basically just make it Night Slash? Nice
That could make sense too razors are like blades and dark are associated with "evil" in Pokemon
Razor wind should be a Dark type Sky attack then
Here's a wild, janky, and potentially bad idea for mudsport. Make it a field affect that lowers opponents evasion. If you cover the field in mud that will make it harder to move around in therefore making it harder to avoid moves. You could alternatively make it lower speed, but this way it'll make it easier for rock and steel moves to easier hit their targets since those 3 types kinda play together.
Hyper Voice needs to be at least 105, because Return is 102.
Vine Whip needs more PP, similar to Ember.
Be funny to make it exactly 102.
@@Shalakor would basically make it worthless still
@@fortello7219 You do know TMs are one time use in gen 3, right? And Hyper Voice in multi-target in doubles (though, admittedly, that can be a bad thing as well).
@@Shalakor I'm aware, yes. Are you aware that the last two legacy hacks made all TMs re-purchasable? Also, I don't really see how that applies to Vine Whip at all.
As far as Hyper Voice, its pretty unlikely that you're seriously using multiple normal types... ever, and if all the moves and movesets are being updated then it's pretty likely that you won't be teaching return to most other Pokemon that aren't Normal type unless it's a temporary addition.
Honestly there's a lot of reasons that Hyper Voice should do more than 100 BP. Such as being extremely rare, not getting other STAB moves, etc. It didn't seem all that important to list out every single reason on a TH-cam comment with no peer review.
@@fortello7219 normal moves get STAB, that’s a common misconception
Charge should act like Stockpile. It can charge up to 3 times, making your next electric move do x2, x3, and x4 damage based on how much its charged. And you don't lose the charge until after an electric move is used. So you can do something in between and it's still ok.
Thats what everyone basically assumed it did anyway. In reality, its 1 charge, and an electric attack must be used next turn or else the charge is lost.
I think it'd be cool to let the player choose the Ruby/Sapphire outfit for their character
Yes! Agreed!
100% yes!
They should add a blue headband, Backpack and shoes sprite for “Sapphire Version”.
I'm thinking of simply replacing all the Emerald sprites with Ruby/Sapphire sprites once Emerald Legacy is out, just because I think the Emerald sprites are ugly.
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Was about to comment this too! Mikey becoming the word of Arceus 😅
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@@mkthedj1006 yes you are correct, my apologies
Hyper Voice should be raised to 110. Since return exists and every single pokemon can learn it, I'd just stick to return for sheer power. This would give return back to another potential candidate.
Edit. I accidentally put boom burst. I'm an idiot 🤣
boomburst didn't exsist in gen 3
@terrysyvertson9205 I think they probably meant Hyper Voice.
Which yes, I was thinking the problem is that Return exists. Albeit, maybe Hyper Voice is already balanced with the buff to 100, because it's only slightly weaker and you can decide you'd rather save the TM for someone else. ❤
Boom burst is gen 6. Hyper Voice is the closest in this gen
@@yokaipinata1416 Hyper Voice is also a doubles move, for whatever that's worth.
Hypee Voice should get the same power as Boomburst and be the Signature move of the Whismur line
My only thought on Mud Sport and Water Sport is to maybe make them like Screens in that they effect the whole party for 5 Turns. Mud Sport making your team take 1/2 damage from Electric Type Moves and maybe prevent Paralysis, while Water Sport does the same for Fire Type Moves and Burn. If just having 1 Type of move is not strong enough, you might be able to do 2 Types. I could definitely see Water Sport acting like a 5 turn party wide Fire/Water Screen and Mud Sport being an Electric/Grass screen.
Regardless! Love your content and just finished Yellow Legacy, about to dive in and try Crystal Legacy for my first ever playthrough of Crystal itself. Stay safe and have fun peeps ✌️
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
The amount of voice inflections in a single video makes my head spin 😂
dude looked up “how to talk like a youtuber” 😂
There's can o soup and then there's smith
Now here's an idea--how about giving Poison Tail to the likes of Beedrill or other Pokemon with stingers? It makes sense and it's a bit surprising Game Freak hasn't done that yet.
@@Bludvarg if that is done I’d also like to see rapidash with both jump kick and blaze kick.. I mean I believe it’s feet are on fire.. I think? I’d like to see sea king with drill peck since it learns peck.
Ok an another thing can we please plz have rapidash learn extreme speed I’m begging you for crying out loud.
That would make so much sense and it’s stab too
@@JayClearman411 I've seen your ideas across multiple comments in the comment section, and this fan since RBY likes your ideas. Kudos.
@@razzdiamond6447 ahh man thank you kindly.. I just think of stuff that I’d like to see implemented in game..especially when I always thought about this kinda stuff as a younger dude talking with my bro. Stuff that sort of made sense..an Id look back an see the potential for stuff.
Can you please share more of this very logical wisdom?
I'm working on a colosseum mod and I want to add extra moves to the learnset of pokemons. For example nuzleaf, shiftry and sceptile learning grasswhistle. Hitmonlee learning blaze kick. I'll add every move you guys mention since they all seem very logical for dem mons to have!
I also gave magcargo water absorb since it can easily evaporate water. It says so in his pokedex.
I gave ditto wonderguard lol hoping people will consider using ditto.
I'll also add every change that smithplays has made for his emerald legacy game!
@@JayClearman411
For mud sport, I think the best solution is about who gets it. Rather than teaching it to rock and ground types, have birds and land-based water types get it. It might not still be good but why can't a Pelipper cover itself with mud to try and counteract it's 4x weakness to electricity? Similar story for water sport - select grass types could get it to fight their fire weakness.
Also pls keep egg bomb's grass conversion. Even if exeggcutor never makes an appearance until battle frontier or something.
Just turn everyone's secondary type on the field to ground. Partners get an electric immunity (works well with gyarados). Water and grass moves do more damage (swampert, linoone surf, piloswine blizzard). Flying types no longer are immune to ground moves (their wings are caked in mud and can no longer fly)
It's better than ground types, who are immune to electric attacks, getting an additional 66% resistance to it.
Sandstorm was meta-defining in competitive pokemon. It didn’t need to be buffed
but it because tyranitar that not in emerald, only in fire red and leaf green.
Rock Tomb's power should be raised to 60 like in later gens to distinguish it from Rock Throw imo
Realistically it'd make more sense to make Rock throw 60 power, then maybe make Tomb 100 accuracy
I'm surprised you didn't go into more detail on the Crabhammer change. 110 BP with 100% accuracy and a high crit ratio, holy Miltank! I guess as the signature move for the crab pokemon which don't have high special it's fine, but still!
I can hear Crab Rave in the distance. Kingler is a menace now!
Bro did NOT just slander Sandstorm in the same generation where Sand Stream TTar was born 💀
Ok so for context, in Gens 3-5, weather from abilities is PERMANENT until you switch out. If you somehow manage to get Tyranitar, now you have Gen 3 TTar with extra special defense, a buffed Rock Slide, and physical Crunch and Pursuit. And you will never make that Sand Stream go away unless you have Rain Dance or Sunny Day because, since that weather comes from an ability, it's going to stay there until the battle is over. Bro did NOT need to buff who is already the best Pokémon in Gen 3
Edit: I know that Tyranitar is not available in a playthrough, but still. Assuming the Legacy games still have Multiplayer features, trading and all that, this means that on a hypothetical competitive scene, the best Pokémon of Gen 3 OU got SIGNIFICANTLY better because it's STAB attacks became more minmaxed and is now even bulkier on the special side. The reason TTar is so dominant in Gen 3 is because permanent sand pressures what would otherwise be a very bulky and stall-oriented environment, but still had the disadvantages of special Crunch and easily taken down with Surf, but with the SpDef boost of it's own sand and Physical Crunch, Tyranitar is getting the whole ass buffet.
He said he's balancing the game for a playthrough, I don't think people are that interested in playing this game competitively.
@@cloudbankcity And what if I go through a massive trading process that leads to me having a Tyranitar that'll plow through the adventure?
And besides, stuff like the Battle Frontier exists
In gen 3, sandstorm doesn't give any boost or benefits. Its only effect is to damage non ground, rock, or steel types; pokemon with sand veil are also immune (Cacnea and Cacturne)
Also, weather brought by abilities is permanent untik replaces by another, it doesn't go away when you switch out
@@luizbezerra4373 And that's why Tyranitar is so good
Since it Sandstorm gets activated immediately, AND never goes away unless you have a dedicated moveslot to remove it, is why TTar is such a dominant force. As it's sandstorm, although not giving boosts, cuts the recovery of Pokémon like Blissey, Milotic, Gengar or Snorlax. But not that of Pokémon like Skarmory, Swampert, Jirachi or Flygon.
It’s about time for Flash to have a 45% chance to cause confusion while still lowering the opponent’s accuracy.
What the actual fuck, this absurdly powerfull. Confuse ray will simply become useless. Why not raise it's accuracy a bit?
Think higher! Flash should also have a 15% chance to flinch.
Why stop there? Why not giving it a boost to the next electric moves, a +4 priority against the Pokémon you used flash on, it increases your attack and special attack, and misty rides you.
Glad everyone gets that Splash needs a quality move to counter it.
@@Magic_Ice lol how about it makes dark an ghost types flinched in particular…
Or it guarantee your opponent’s Pokémon next move will miss.
Leaf Blade now looks more sick with that "Sceptile is getting pumped"
Not that Larvitar is a Pokemon you can find in the game early. But adding the Rock Special Defense boost to Sandstorms would make Tyranitar cracked. It was already considered the best Non-Legendary Pokemon in Gen 3. Now you're effectively giving it a BST of over 670.
Razorwind being flying just makes sense.
The best option for Razor Wind is to make it the Megahorn alternative for Winged Bug Types. A one turn move with 120 base power and 85% accuracy.
Based on the video, a lot of types now have a late game inaccurate high power move like Fire Blast and Blizzard. Bug types do have Megahorn but it's not as accessible as those other moves due to design. A lot of bug types in Emerald's regional dex don't have horns or spikes to justify using Megahorn. However, what they do have in common is their wings. The list is pretty long with Beautifly, Dustox, Masquerain, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, and Illumise.
The second reason is the mere existence of Heracross which is one of the best bug type in the game by a landside. Who also just so happen to learn Megahorn that it only shares with Pinser. A powerful Bug type Razor Wind would make players hesitate dropping the other bug types they got earlier in their run. It would also be a nice late game boost as well.
Finally, this change fits Emerald Legacy balance philosophy and retroactively fits well for the other legacy games: Crystal and Yellow. Megahorn didn't exist in Gen 1 and Gen 2 has the same issue as Gen 3. Butterfree, Beedrill, Venomoth, Ledian and Yanma wouldn't complain if they got the chance to spread their wings. 🦋🐝🪰
We already did this with sky attack
@@Aerogod223 My fault on the wording of my post. I meant it as a late game Bug type move for winged Bug types. Not a Flying type move for only bug types. It wouldn't be flying type like Sky Attack.
Thank you for the suggestions!!
For Razor Wind, my idea (that I’m using in my passion project rom that has been decently balanced) is to make it 55 BP, hit both enemies, and have high crit, in one turn. Make it Flying type, and you basically have a Weaker Aeroblast. This makes it a good mid-stage double battle focused attack, and it is kind of like Razor Leaf, allowing it to feel solid. In my rom, it is pretty balanced. It works pretty well, too!
So it's basically air cutter
@@harvylopez1219 kind of? I cant remember what i made it exactly, it is similar to Air Cutter, but it had a difference. Cant remember what but
Zap cannon getting accuracy raised. Now legacy is perfect
At 70% now I can think about it for a second before refusing it
I think the idea behind Zap Cannon and Dynamic Punch is that you're supposed to use them together with Mind Reader and Lock-On. To encourage players to actually use them that way I would leave the accuracy as is but increase the power all the way up to 140.
Razor Wind as a 120 BP Normal charge move that skips the charge in the rain makes sense. In the main game, it's only learned by Absol and Nuzleaf, as well as Zangoose and Tropius by breeding. Absol knows it where you encounter it in the rain on Rt. 120. It's a simple change that makes Absol feel at home on the route and gives it and Zangoose a little nudge towards inclusion on rain teams.
There’s lots of ways we can go about it.. my thoughts
we can give it a high critical hit rate of 30-50%
Or we can give it the leaf blade treatment have your Pokémon get pumped after using it.. maybe
or we go in another direction make it a Flying type move, that Always results in a critical hits!
an in battle after it hits it will force a switch out (like whirlwind) another Pokémon in its party. In the wild, the battle ends.
Or to the next Pokémon in line that has not fainted (if there is one). Yup an since it’s a 1-turn charge guess what NO decrease in priority😉
@@JayClearman411 Those are a lot of changes. The original move is Normal, 80 BP, 100% Acc with a 1-turn charge. I think it fits the Legacy vibe to give it a simple 50% power increase. Weather is the premier mechanic of RSE, so skipping the charge turn in rain (the inverse of Solar Beam) is a natural-feeling upgrade that fits the only wild Pokemon you'll realistically see the move on.
And i love any boost to shiftry
@@rishabhanand4973 Shiftry's more built for sun, but I do like the idea of weather counter-play being built in, especially for the post-game.
@@12triproberts yeah true. But as a grass type, being in the sun leaves it vulnerable to its main weakness. I feel like grass a types as a whole, since they don't have their own weather, should be able to fit into rain or sun. Kind of like heliolisk, who can run dry skin to be immune to water attacks and gain leftover healing in rain (not to mention accurate thunder) or run solar power to essentially get a free life orb. I think that's the ideal, being able to fit into multiple weathers but having a different style based on which weather they're in.
Having mud sport and water sport provide type immunity to more than one type could be insane.
Make it so Mud Sport's effect (and Water Sport's) doesn't disappear when the user switches out. That way you can have a resist for ground and water by using the move if you're not using a Pokémon that resists those types. Should help balance Wattson even better
For Poison Fang I would also recommend increasing it to 50% badly poison chance like in gen 5 onwards
I think it'd be fun to give Dragon Claw a high crit chance as well. If you decide to do that possibly decrease it to 85 power (like modern games Dragon Pulse)
Yeah, mud sport like a field kind of move instead of a "buff" kind of move.
This is basically how the move behaved in gen 6-7
Water sport can maybe increase the power of water-type moves by 30-50% whichever
stops burns not just halves the power of fire type moves. Also like a boost in evasion or sp.def…
Mud sport could maybe increase sp def of the user while decreasing accuracy of your opponent’s pkmn… plus boost the damage of ground type moves by 30% prevents
paralysis would be great not just halving the power of thunder type moves.
@@Hatabi0in that case maybe have it so if a pkmn uses Nature power or Secret power after using water sport .. nature power will be water spout secret power will be water pulse.
Or pkmn using Secret Power or Nature Power after using mud sport the enemy is hit with a mud shot or… muddy water??? Idk
Ideas for mud sport:
1.also buff ground moves by 10%
2. Buffs a stat of the user
3. Doubles speed of ground types
4.Prevents paralysis for teammates
5. Doubles power of muddy water
I think any of these or a combo of them could make the move fun, something similar could be done with water sport preventing burns etc.
Maybe mud sport and water sport could function like charge?
That might actually be of some use for the Pokemon that have one of those two moves in their move lists.
@@Adam-ajb Yes just what I was thinking the water/mud sport effects should last 10-11 turns irregardless of switching.. Also think they should boost special defense for the user in particular.. to help with viability an maybe it should effect the whole field?? Maybe have mud slap and mud shot double the power if used in combination..like electric moves and charge!
likewise with water sport an water gun,water spout,hydro pump… maybe just water moves in general idk..
Thanks so much for all your team's hard work on this project ❤ Here are my 4 suggestions for Emerald Legacy:
1. Faster surfing speed would be *super* make water routes better. Also, reuseable TMs. 2. Make it that we can use HM's outside of battle without teaching them to our pokemon and 3. The player is always running without pressing the b button. 4. Add more double battles (even a just a couple would make it better than original emerald)
Another recommendation: Dont rush this project. We'll get it when we get it. Slow and steady wins the cuality race :)
This might be broken, but mudsport should just make it so the pokemon it's used against can't use electric moves.
Like it's covered in mud so the electricity can't get out.
The problem with this is that the vast majority of pokemon that know mudsport are ground types. They don't need to prevent the use of electric moves.
@@rainbowskin3379 ok but you can use mud sport then swap out to another pokemon weak to electric, like gyarados
halved damage for a few turns isn't really worth it, but an immunity for any pokemon on your team would be kind of insane
That's incredibly situational
@@rainbowskin3379 yeah but at the same time when would the ground types need it to be weakened if they are immune.
But yeah you have a point lol
The move description says that "the user covers itself in mud to raise electrical resistance" so that wouldn't make sense though... I think they should just make it so more non-ground types learn it
I guess the approach you're taking is "if everything is broken, nothing is broken" lol
Razor wind Idea: at minimum, give it the increased crit rate it got in gen 4 and onward in addition to it hitting both targets like in vanilla, and also maybe make it raise Attack or Crit rate turn 1 like how Skull Bash raises Defense. I also have a more creative idea for it in addition to or as an alternative to the attack or critical rate boost: +2 priority on the attacking turn, thus making it an Extremespeed side-grade. (Buffing attack or crit rate and then firing off a 2x crit-rate, both-foe-hitting Extremespeed has gotta be worth a charge-turn, right?)
The logic behind the priority buff is that conceptually, Razor Wind (Japanese name: “Kamaitachi”, after the mythical weasel youkai which was the origin of the whole wind-slash concept) is supposed to be the Japanese media trope of a samurai or other katana-user readying their blade before drawing and slashing SO FAST that the air the blade displaces becomes a sharpened projectile (e.g., Vergil’s Judgement Cut from Devil May Cry, the Tempest Kick and several of Zoro’s named attacks from One Piece, or Crono’s “Wind Slash” Tech from Chrono Trigger); I gave it +2 priority because the whole point is that the attack itself comes out ridiculously fast. It should stay Normal type and not become Flying because a) the technique is usually depicted as a thing any swordsman can do if they’re fast enough with a blade, not something that requires actual air/wind powers, and b) Gen 3 already HAS the version that uses actual wind powers, it’s called Air Cutter; making Razor Wind Flying Type would cause it to conflict/cause redundancy issues with Air Cutter, which also hits both opponents for increased critical rate.
Side note: we absolutely HAVE to give Razor Wind to Sneasel, the fact that it somehow doesn’t learn the move in vanilla despite being a LITERAL kamaitachi (i.e. the youkai the move was NAMED after in Japanese) is just as big a crime as Lickitung not learning Lick in RBY.
Mud Sport ideas:
1. Sharply lower the foe's accuracy (by 2 stages) but only hits 80 or 90% of the time. In theory, spewing mud all over the place gives me the mental image of not seeing very well, even more so than Sand Attack, so it may work, but it's still a daring move since it's not 100% accurate.
2. Give to non ground pokemon that are weak against electricity, like a bird or a fish.
3. Make it so the foe can''t escape (not really a fan of this btw).
4. Turn it into a bind/wrap move where it traps the enemy in mud for 2-5 turns. This conflicts with Sand Tomb though, so maybe it could work idk (I guess Clamp AND Whirlpool do the same thing for Water Type so maybe it won't be so bad). This would be my second vote after my first idea.
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
*SPP* : Sandstorm is really bad.
*Me, who plays a lot of Gen 3 Smogon* : Is this guy drunk or what?
Sandstorm is not sand stream. Sandstorm deals double damage in gen 2 and still nobody uses it in gen 2 OU.
@@frogwhisperer4268 if t-tar is going too be in the game he going to be broken
So i think a cool way to buff mudsport is to make it so it halfs the users speed but gives +1 in defence and spdef. The reasoning is because it says they cover themselves in mud to make them impervious to electric moves so instead maybe it is coating them in thick hard mud to absorb damage and in doing so they become slower. Another way to approach this is to make it so they double both defensive stats but are unable to switch out. Sort of like a worse no retreat. The premise comes from the game “stuck in the mud” where you cant move once stuck. I also think this could work since pokemon who learn this move are normally quite defensive and would benefit from this. I do believe it can be abit overbearing as an early game move so maybe it can be a later down the line move but on marshstomp it does learn it relatively late anyway. Finally maybe the move could be a sticky web as the animation shows mud being splattered all over the field and in later move descriptions it is stated that the user throws mud ALL over the battlefield. I think it should be a sticky web to ALL non-ground and non-flying/levivating pokemon as they arent adept to the muddy area. This could be balanced by being applied to both user and target since it explicitly states the entire field meaning teambuilding has to be considered when using the move. I personally like the 3rd one the best as it sounds fhe most fun but yh any potential balancing is very much welcome.
More than give Electric types more electric type moves, I think it's far better to give electric types some actual coverage options
i agree. manectric was already lacking in gen3 and will now lose special bite and crunch. should get shadow ball and flamethrower via tm in my opinion
Came here for the rock moves and see what changes you made and seriously thank you for fixing some of the moves especially Rock Tomb
"You know what really needs a buff? Adv tyranitar"
It's not in the main game. I'm sure that there will be plenty of fighting coverage and sun/rain setters in the Battle Tower to account for that.
@@12triproberts I mean, it's still funny he chose to buff it tho
Lets just take a minute to appreciate the work that goes into these legacy roms. Smith and his team are incredible.
I'd like Aerial Ace to be 70 BP as well. It's the only Flying move Salamence can really use and 60 BP is just too weak most of the time to make it worthwhile. As a coverage move it is also extremely underpowered and for regular flyers you have no reason to use it when Wing Attack exists and has more PP.
Emerald is my favorite Pokémon game, so seeing it receive this much care and attention is just awesome.
Ghost being a special type is something I've always wanted, but the way we've gotten used to it, and the fact that Hidden Power Ghost is one of the only reasons for the Fighting type's viability in Gen 3 (that being a very interesting intricacy) and Medicham getting Shadow Ball have been very interesting and unique in this way.
EDIT: Add Sand Rush to fix sand and Slush Rush to fix hail, as well as adding some new gen mechanics to those weathers
It would be really cool to see how a competitive format in this work!
0:38 Mandjtv this is your legacy!
you can never forget about breloom she’s the fucking GOAT
Smith : Sandstorm is not balanced. It only does chip damage.
Also Tyrannitar being the best mon of gen 3 OU: O REALLY NOW?
Sandstorm is a benefit, but it's the least of the reasons why Tyranitar is so powerful.
@@amiciyopre permanent chip damage that sets up on entry is quite PoG tho.
"We couldn't give Sceptile the Dragon-Type"
Everybody focuses on Dragon-Type Sceptile, but nobody talks about Grass/Flying Sceptile, which makes so much more sense:
- STAB Aerial Ace fits so well with Sceptile's design.
- ~~Flying creates a secondary, reverse type Triangle with the Hoenn Starters~~ (I was wrong about this, it isn't actually a type triangle as was pointed out below, but it still has interesting interactions with both other starters, especially when you factor in Blaziken with Sky Uppercut)
- fits the Pokédex lore of the Evo line, which talks about it's incredible mobility in forests and role as a forest guardian.
- have you seen Grovyle? So clearly meant to be a gliding lizard concept, making it a perfect transition into Flying typing.
-prrtty sure I remember an anime episode where Ash's Sceptile glides in a city using the updrafts between buildings.
- my weakest argument, but that tail looks like it would generate lift. And could be used to create wind-based attacks.
- You could even repurpose Razor Wind into a near exclusive move for Shifty, Tropius and Sceptile, thus solving the "what do we do with Razor Wind" problem.
The reverse type triangle is inaccurate. Flying Sceptile has a double advantage over Swampert since Flying is immune to Ground, and Ground and Fighting have no correlation to each other. It would only serve to even out Sceptile and Blaziken's type matchup with no equivalent for Swampert.
The other stuff is good though!
@@Dudeman23rd Right you are. I got a little muddled there, my bad.
That being said, whilst Swampert doesn't gain any advantage via STAB in this setup, it can still take advantage of the typing due to its access to strong Ice and Rock moves. It's not perfect, and using a Swampert against any Grass type is always going to be a risk, but it's still good.
@@NyaarysNo Type changes
I feel Hyper Voice is just a victim of the pre physical special split. When it became special in gen 4 it basically became the defacto normal type special move until boomburst came along, and even then boomburst is quite rare
Could buff Exploud by repurposing the unused ability Cacophony to make sound moves more powerful. It’d only affect Uproar and Hyper Voice for it, but would be cool.
Also Snore! Upgraded Hyper Voice/Rest/Snore/Coverage move isn't a bad place for it to land.
@@12triproberts Ah yeah, I forgot about Snore, good point!
Mud Sport:
Sets muddy layer functionally like spikes (can be cleared with rapid spin), but instead of entry damage:
- weakens electric moves. (1 layer 50% damage, 2 layer 25% damage)
- lowers speed or evasion (whichever works best for balancing) by 1 stage on entry.
- boost power for mud moves. (mud slap, mud shot)
- changes nature power to mud shot.
Alternative/additional idea(s) for mud sport:
- Pseudo Shed Skin ability (stack with actual ability) for own team (15% chance per layer to remove burn, poison, etc by "rubbing some dirt it in")
- 50% Sp.Def boost for ground types to mirror the Rock type boost from Sandstorm.
All great ideas except I’d make lowering accuracy a option too.
Maybe it can raise the Defense and special defense of all ground Type pkmn for 10 turns. While boosting the users speed maybe idk just a suggestion.
@@JayClearman411 I think mud sport lowering evasion on entry would be nice as both mud moves dont have perfect accuracy as well as mud slap being able to lower accuracy, and mud shot can lower speed. Mud becoming a hindering archetype would be neat to see and experiment with for movepool and team building.
Maybe Mud sport can work if it's treated like Light Screen or Reflect.... where it cuts damage for the team even if the user switches out. And maybe instead of just halving the damage, it completely nullifies said damage while it's up?
Idea for Mud and Water Sport:
Mud Sport lingers on the field like screens for 5 turns, reducing damage of electric type attacks by half.
Water sport the same as above, but for fire type moves.
Both remove secondary effects of the types they protect against and nullify status moves of the type that are applied to other mons, e.g. Thunderwave and Willow Wisp.
If both are active on the filed at the same time and a fire move is used, the target takes damage but then gets +1 Def (fire hardening and drying out the mud, think of making clay).
This would give it much needed utility as a great support move, and would give it some niche applications for double battles.
This wouldn't even be all that broken since in a singles format it would require set up like screens, and appropriate investment.
If you want to cook further, make the items that boost ground and water moves extend the duration of the effect by three turns.
Delcatty should have Slack Off according to its Ruby entry: "DELCATTY prefers to live an unfettered existence in which it can do as it pleases at its own pace. Because this POKéMON eats and sleeps whenever it decides, its daily routines are completely random." The other entries are similar.
Loudred should at least learn Shock Wave by TM, if not by level-up, according to its ORAS entry: "The shock waves from its cries can tip over trucks. It stamps its feet to power up."
If we’re talking about moves pkmn should learn I’d like to start with seviper maybe learning super fang? She’ll see learning lick? Misdreavus is the screech pkmn but cannot learn screech
Gyarados Aerial Ace?? Rapidash extreme speed plz
An sharpedo should learn more water moves through level up its only got hydro pump an that’s if you keep it a carvanha
Bellossom Has to have teeter dance I mean cmon..machamp Superpower must have!
@@JayClearman411 I'm guessing "She'll see" was some kind of crazy autocorrect, but can't think off the top of my head which Pokemon's name was replaced by it.
@@Shalakor 😂 my bad I meant to say shellder lol since it tongue 😛 is always out..lol btw does delcatty know lick 👀
The "shock waves" mentioned in Loudred's dex entry are referring to powerful sound waves. Shock Wave, the move, is a brief burst of electricity. Just because the words line up doesn't mean their meaning does.
Might have misread- Loudred does learn Shock Wave by TM. Would still be a fun level-up.
maybe for the sport moves- in addition to reducing the respective damage, it functions like charge, boosting the next attack of its type
so mud sport would power down electric type attacks and boost the next ground type attack
So I play the frontier with Metagross a lot, and the best way (and only way really) I've found to check Latias/Latios, Alakazam, Gardevoir and Starmie is to switch into Metagross, tank 2 hits if necessary, and destroy them with Shadow Ball.
If you switch Ghost to special then that doesn't work anymore and those mons become 20 times more annoying to deal with.
I hope Ghost remains physical, changing it only harms multiple pokemon just to... help Gengar? A pokemon that isn't even on the game?
Exactly! And Gengar doesn't even need help to begin with, it's one of the best, most versatile pokemons in the game already. Both Banette and Dusclops, the only ghost types in Hoenn, have higher physical attack. It also hurts Slaking and Snorlax, not just Metagross.
In Smith's defense, this is a change that is more to maintain consistency with previous hackROMs. I've also heard plans to give Metagross Crunch, so you should still be able to get a good hit on them.
8:00 For razor wind I think the best thing you could do to it is make it a flying type shadow ball as their isn't a single 100% accurate 80 base power flying move that can be used by most flying types in the game.
The move could also allow other Pokémon to gain access to a flying type move that they normal wouldn't be able to have. yes fly, wing attack and other decent flying type moves exist but they either have lower power or aren't 100% accurate.
Changing the move to this could benefit Pokemon like Salamence, Beautifly, Swellow, Pelipper, etc. some none flying type pokemon that "I think" could use this move might include: Sceptile, Shiftry, Flygon, Absol, Latios, Latias, etc.
10:45 maybe make it a ground water spout or eruption, doing damage based off the Pokémon’s hp
While I like the idea, that vastly takes away from the idea of what water sport / mud sport are there for, so Smith probably wouldn’t do that sort of thing. I think he should probably just stick to the type thing but maybe make it actually helpful, so mud sport could just decrease the power of water moves instead of electric moves.
That makes sense to me because there’s so much water all over hoenn, the ground types could have developed some sort of resistance strategy such as a move that decreases water damage. Water and mud also have an inherent interaction in nature so you could make sense of it somehow lol
@@Dylxan327 but why stop there, fire gets put out by dirt especially mud, so it could also weaken fire type moves. Weakening three times would be a pretty useful move
Mudsport:
Can't be used while mudsport is active. Current effect + boost for defense and/or special defense since you are covered in Mud.
Or Mudsport is Sticky Web, but ground.
Thank you for caring so much about the older games.
“Sandstorm is really bad”
Competitive players: *Are you sure about that?*
Sandstorm is terrible in gen 3
This is in game so yeah, it is really mediocre in-game
@@smithplayspokemon so you dont add t-tar
Mud sport could maybe grant Electric resistance (not 50% reduction, so it works better for flying and water pokemon... and for pelipper) and make pokemon inmune to sandstorm damage for 5 turns. So it could be useful against Wattson as a first turn set up move and after that fight could be used to fit more pokemon in a sandstorm team.
How about Mud Sport being an entry hazard move like spikes or toxic spikes but instead dealing damage. It lowers the opponents speed by 1 every time a pokemon switches in
Sticky wed before Gen 6
@@king_of_rats_Monfernep yeah like that
“Generation 3 Gamefreak just hated Grass-types”
… implying that they don’t still.
Ive said this plenty of times but the EASIEST way to handle Rayquaza before the E4 is to NERF ITS LEVEL FROM 70 TO 45! ITS A LEGACY GAME NOT A KAIZO GAME OR A ROM HACK. DO NOT GATEKEEP RAYQUAZA IN A GAME WHERE IT IS ON THE COVER ART. NERF ITS LEVEL TO A MORE APPROPRIATE LEVEL AND LEAVE THE REST ALONE!!!!!!!
Edit: My bad this was clearly mistyped, obviously my decades of internet usage wasn't enough for me to remember that Caps locks means shouting on the internet lololol anyway sorry for how rude this sounded as that was not my intention. Regarding Rayquaza, I would LIKE (lol) to have access to it before the E4 but I also understand its unfair advantage in the E4; ergo the level drop idea. Regarding soothing Kyogre and Groudon, iirc its Air Lock ability is what calms them down in lore, not its level. If that's still an issue, then both Kyogre and Groudon can also be nerfed in level. Either way, I would appreciate that piece of the game to still be enabled for the player to access at the same time as in the original. Again, sorry for all of ^^^ this nonsense.
calm down
Yes, because a level 45 Rayquaza is gonna be SO threatening to a level 70 Groudon and Kyogre (at the same time, no less).
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Its supposed to be giga-powerful. Its the top dog of the weather trio and a giant bad-ass dragon. You are not forced to use it or even capture it, its an optional mon to use
It’s optional to use, I’ve actually never used it in an emerald play through before, who cares what level it’s at?
Yes because talking in all caps like a screaming child is definitely the way to get what you want. Maybe if we whine hard enough together, maybe we'll get smith to make our personal visions true >///
I really appreciate what you did to fix the sandstorm and hail
You buffed Hyper Voice to still be weaker than Return's 102, which is available prior to the 3rd Gym
Imo make it a Gen 3 Boomburst, 140 BP
5:37 argument: i think you shouldve made shadow punch 75 power instead, to be on par with all the other punch moves
You're a legend bro! Keep up the great work, we all appreciate it!
Im approaching this from a "Mud is sticky, and everywhere" perspective
Mud Sport:
- Make it a duration (2-5 Turns), Gives Ground type moves Priority (Ground type Trick Room, essentially), Generally Covers most Ground types' Speed weakness
or
- Entry Hazard, lowers stats
or
- Boosts power of Ground type moves
or
- Boosts power of "Mud" related moves (muddy water, Mud Shot, Mud Slap)
or
- Adds an extra effect to Ground type moves (This is a stretch, I can't currently think of any attacks/setups that do this that's not Thunder + Rain Dance, or Sunny Day + Solarbeam)
or
- Changes Targets type to ground (makes Ground more defensive overall, with its common counters being reduced to their Non-Stab Levels)
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- Future Sight esque mechaic: Makes targets unable to move for a turn after a set number of turns passes
i.e:
Turn 1. Mud is spread everywhere
Turn 3: The Mud has hardned! X Cannot move!
The issue I have with this is that, it doesn't fit its other counterparts like Water Sport, so you'd need to change water sport to something similar. It's almost like you have to rework the entirety of the Sport moves to justify them properly
OH HECK YEAH!!! Been waiting for one of those golden videos to be uploaded.
This outghta be good! 💚
Yo I think I have a solution for razor wind. Make it a flying (or normal tbf) type circle throw. So my logic is that when you use it, it says something about whipping up a whirlwind. This makes the switch effect make sense. Also circle throw has decreased priority, which is reminiscent of it being a two-turn attack. While it won't be the strongest move, it'll have some increased utility/ novelty
SMITH: WEATHER MULTIPLIES MOVES BY 1.5.
Anyone who ever played Gen 3 OU: He's BUFFING Meteor Mash?
and sandstorm
The changes I think would make sense would be:
1. Razor Wind drop from 80 to 65 base power, but it always crits instead of crits being a chance. It’s still a two turn move but in earlier gens this would make it effectively 130 base power.
2. Mud/Water Sport changing to effectively be field wide Soaks. All Pokemon on the field become Ground with Mud Sport and Water with Water Sport until they switch out or faint.
Greetings ! Great move revision, it all sounds great :D suggestions regarding mud and water sport, as per shared ideas in comments of previous videos:
- Water Sport can soak the field and reduce incoming fire damage by 50-75%, lasting 5 turns (similar to reflect/light screen, it won't go away on switch and affects allies in double battles). Additionally, it could either activate ability effects - like rain dish - or give the user a 50% speed or SpDef boost. That speed boost would not work together with swift swim users, as the rain speed multiplier is higher, therefore takes precedence. It should also be available for some grass types as a way to counter fire without depending on rain (Roselia gets it in gen 4 via Budew, so it could get it here, for example. Bug types other than Surskit could get it too);
- Mud Sport muddies the field and reduces incoming electric moves by 50-75%, lasting 5 turns (same thing as water sport). It could also boost mud moves specifically by 50-100% (mud slap and mud shot are the only ones available so it doesn't become op) to give it good synergy with a ground type user midgame while also potentially benefitting other allies with the damage reduction. It could also have more distribution, especially with pokémon known to be good diggers.
- Finally, if the secondary effects feel too powerful on their own and you'd like to see a reason to use both moves, you could add these when both are in the field - Fire/Electric moves reduced effectiveness by 75% instead of 50%, duration goes up to 7-8 turns, 50% SpDef boost and 100% boost to mud slap mud shot and muddy water (maybe too much but so fun haha).
Hope that helps ! Keep up the great work ^^
Give Mudsport and Watersport to Non ground & Non water types respectively (Water types and Grass types are good for each of said moves). Surf could drop 5 base power so it is good but slightly less so since that was done in modern games. A crazier idea for both Sports moves is to remove trapping effects (Arena trap, Magnet pull, Mean look, etc)
My suggestion for Mud Sport and Water Sport is that they should function like charge.
Alternatively you could make it so mud sport will block the next ground move from hitting the user and raise its attack, same for water but raise its special attack, make it a +1 priorty. This is interesting as a lot of ground types are weak to ground moves due to their secondary typing, only a couple of water types would benefit from this being swampert and whishcash, but water types are already good enough and dont need buffs
You say only Banette suffered from the Shadow Ball change but Medicham does as well.
Metagross and Slaking too. Also Snorlax.
*"But like Psychic types, your wi-fi is weak to bugs."* 😂 Smooth sponsorship transition, Smith.
I know this video is for movepools but I had an idea about the Rayquaza debacle you’ve had on stream. Why not have a Double battle with Lance and Claire. Story is that they were both looking for new dragon Pokémon in Hoenn when they heard the legend of Rayquaza. They both find themselves at his door and start to battle to see who should capture the legend when you arrive. When you show up looking to capture the dragon for yourself, they decide to team up to try and end the battle with you quickly so they can get back to the battle themselves. After you win, they decide that you were more worthy and let you pass to finally capture Rayquaza.
Whatever changes get made to Mud Sport, it only makes sense that there would be a vaguely symmetrical change made to Water Sport. I don't see any way you can preserve these moves' identity without them being garbage. Even increasing the number of types they interact with wouldn't make it much more interesting, so they either need removed, reinvented, or ignored.
So here are some random symmetrical changes that the moves could have:
1) Water Sport gives all water moves +1 priority and Mud Sport does the same for Ground moves.
2) Water Sport prevents stat decreases, Mud Sport prevents stat increases.
3) Mud Sport could act like Sticky Web, and Water Sport could increase the speed of all Pokemon currently on the field by 2 stages (can't stack).
0:21 W for playing Tekken Tag Tournament music. And one of the best tracks!
for mud/water sport, make it grant the partner IMMUNITY to electric/fire respectively. or you could make it so it raises the user's sp. def, like a special defense curl. it would help patch up a major weakness of pokemon like geodude
Yes! I agreee cool suggestion.especially about patching up defenses
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
@@Alienldr changing type might be outside the scope of Gen3 since moves that changed a pokemon's type didn't exist prior to gen5 [ i think] unless you count Transform or Conversion which are moves with extremely limited availability.
Nice! I absolutely loved Crystal and Yellow Legacy! Can't wait to finally play
Mudsport should turn everyone's secondary typing to Ground while the user is on the field. And water sport should do the same but for water. Kind of like soak, but just for the secondary typing so people still habe their original weaknesses and strengths too. Then it follows the same feel as the original, everyone can get their bug/water masquerain, and its just better in general without making it too different, keeping the emerald feel.
I've loved following along with the whole Legacy project. Really enjoy the whole concept and execution.
You should add an option for a doubles run. Every fight is a double battle. Similar to adding hard mode etc, just an optional thing. Makes it like a new game.
Been excited for this one. Been working on a gen 3 rom hack and the moves and move sets are so terrible, love to see how different people try to fix this.
Maybe Mud Sport and Water Sport should boost the next Ground/Water move your Pokémon makes? Kind of like Charge does for Electric
Not only are the moves not great but some of the movesets are just awful as well. Sandshrew's only STAB move is Sand Tomb, which it gets at level 45. Beedrill and both Nidoran lines only get Poison Sting for Poison STAB. Psyduck doesn't even get Water Gun at all, despite Psyduck in the anime having Water Gun, and its only Water STAB is Hydro Pump at level 50. Zubat's only Poison move is the 50 power Poison Fang, which it gets at level 41. Oddish only has 8 level up moves total, and only 3 of them are attacking moves. This is just a few examples and I'm not even halfway through the Kanto Pokemon. We all love the Hoenn region but they definitely did not show enough love to many of the Pokemon that were available in this generation.
Mud Sport could be an early game Sp Attack lowering move. Mainly Ground types learn it, so you'll either use it to lower the Sp Attack of the Electric type you countered for someone else on your team, or be able to lower the stats of the Water or Grass type that switches in to destroy you (assuming the opponents can switch).
Mud sport: Entry hazard. Like Ground type sticky web but instead lowers accuracy on physical moves (because of slipping) by 20%. Max 2 sets.
Make "Spikes" Steel type instead of ground. Makes Skarmory's spikes make more sense.
Mud Sport decreases the speed of all enemy pokemon by a single stage for 5 turns. This will help out mons like Geodude who are slow in the early game (alternatively, it could reduce Evasiveness, lowering speed may be a little much.. maybe if it was only for 3 turns). Flying types and pokemon with Levitate are immune. Think of this like anti-tailwind. It’s hard to move quickly when you’re knee-deep in mud!
Water Sport will cause Electric moves used by the enemy team to cause recoil damage for 5 turns. The dampness of the arena causes electric pokemon to short circuit and harm themselves when they use electric moves.
3 possible suggestions for Mud Sport: (in increasing order of radicalness)
1) have it be a move that’s actually mostly on non-ground types (maybe Treecko and Torchic can learn it for starter balance against Watson?)
2) also weakens fire moves. Maybe even wipes evasion boosts?
3) have it be like a ground-type Aurora Veil: use it in sandstorm for team defensive buffs.
Needless to say, it should persist if the user switches out.