Unexpected improvement in Mini Electric - Comparing 2020 L2 & 2022 Level 3 Cooper SE
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What's different in my new 2022 Level 3 compared to my previous Level 2(non LCI)
Some things are obvious like the sunroof but there are some subtle changes and one significant improvement I wasn't expecting.
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Congratulations on the 10K subscriptions. Enjoyed this latest video as always.
Nice looking car . Thanks for another great update video. Can’t wait to see your new toy in person.
Thanks Nigel for your excellent video.. just got our new L3 from Soper in Lincoln.today . wonderful guys and a great deal! Honestly thankyou for your… you tube posts.. really refreshing and informative!! I love your down earth style.. please keep it going 👍 so we just got this new LCI L3.. honestly it’s the best… just traded in my G30 5 series 520d xdrive… brilliant car btw.. but honestly this mini rips it apart for short journeys!! Didn’t need 2 big cars anymore and this is where the mini electric excels!! Please keep up with your wonderful posts big thanks from Yorkshire!! 😊👍
You're very welcome. Glad you like the videos and we'll done on the Mini. It's not often I love a car but with the Mini it's way more than just liking it. Truly special
Is really better than expected.
Every day i like it more.
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Good lucky!
Thank you Nigel! It's good to know about the continuous improvements and how experienced users feel about them. Great and personable sharing 👍 Now I know better what to expect when mine arrives at the end of June. Greetings from Germany! Cheers, Bernd 👋🙂
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Thank you for a very informative video. I am awaiting my Level 3 anytime over the next few months and look forward to enjoying the features mentioned here
You're going to love it . Just popped into town in ours to pickup a new lawn mower . 5 miles over kWh and loads of smiles even in a short 20 mile round trip
yay! Congrats on the 10k subscribers Nigel.
Cheers mate
The cuts/vents in the front bumper send the air out of the wheel arch and are meant to smooth the airflow past the wheel and along the side of the car. Also, the 1-6 buttons are touch sensitive, very gently touch them and it'll show you how they're all configured.
Great video, I am glad you have decided to get another mini as I started following you because of your love of the mini EV. Last year I ordered the previous model but was lucky as the garage upgraded me the the later model at no extra charge. I am so pleased to get the latest model level 2 probably one of the first to do so back in April last year.
I have the new led all in one headlights and the auto dip is so good. Also the upgraded suspension and larger central display.
I love people knowing it’s an electric car I even got the garage to fit the green number plates as they missed that at the beginning. So I was surprised when you didn’t want people to know.
Looking forward your next video.
I'm just awkward or different , there's lots that encourage through emphasing it's electric , I like to show you can go electric without making a statement. Gives the doubters one less thing to moan at.
Mostly my debadging efforts are simply I prefer a less cluttered look, it's bit really about whether it shouts electric or not
Love the new changes. I like that it does look like it has grown up from the previous model. Also not having the ugly grey grill makes all the difference👍
Looking forward to the video Nigel.
Great video. I ordered a level 3 on 12/12/21 and its currently 4 days into its ocean crossing to the US.. I appreciate the insight and opinions. At this point I know I made the right decision.. I am beyond excited for it to arrive..I also ordered Midnight Black. I opted for the piano black beltline trim also and black wheels.. going for the black on black look.. Cheers!
Good looking car, Nigel! I was wondering what that was surrounding the center screen - looked like some sort if makeshift skyline. Congrats on 10k subs, too!
Great review!
Lighting seems to be been wraponised these days. I find the lights on my car don't complete with many oncoming cars and sitting low doesn't help either. Matrix LEDs seem like a very appealing feature. I couldn't justify the price of the Mini and it isn't convertible but looks very nice, pleased you like it
Recently test drove level 2 and level 3 cars. The leather seats are definitely more comfortable than those in the level 2. So level 3 it is. Probably chili red all over with the same alloys as your car. Very informative video. Thank you
Thanks for your review, just ordered one 👍 happy days
What did you go for?
@@EVPuzzle mini ev level 2
Finally someone else that finds the HUD useless for this car. I almost landed an Iconic (Level 3) that someone backed out on and it having the HUD actually made me not want it as it just cluttered the dash even if not in use...
Nice car hope you enjoy it good presentation
I’ve come to agree with your take on EVs, Nigel.
I switched from an e-Golf to an EQA 350 4matic at the end of last year. I convinced myself I wanted a “modern” EV with a larger battery, more range, faster charging and more performance. Now that I have it I realise these things haven’t made the experience better overall, quite the opposite in some areas!
It’s nice to have ~230 mile range, ~6 second 0-60 and 125kW fast charging but…. I don’t use it! I rarely do more than a 100 mile round trip and, so far, I’ve only encountered 50kW fast chargers on my travels. It’s nice to know I could drive from Yorkshire to Scotland with only a single short charging stop on a 150kW charger, but that’s something I might do once in the next 2 years.
I don’t utilise the benefits of the EQA day to day… but I do experience the drawbacks _every_ day.
It’s waaaay more thirsty than the e-Golf was - I’m typically averaging 3.5 miles/kWh in the EQA. I would get 4.5 miles/kWh in the winter with the e-Golf, even 5 miles/kWh with careful driving.
The EQA is also significantly heavier than the e-Golf and the handling is impacted by that. Where the e-Golf felt planted, agile and precise, the EQA feels floaty and isn’t engaging. The acceleration is thrilling but the fun ends there. Ironically, the ~9 second 0-60 e-Golf put a smile on my face way more often than the EQA has.
This is a long way of saying… I’ve come around to small battery EVs much like you did and a Mini electric is on my radar 👀
I feel like dancing, I'm not alone any more.. I think humans are like sheep sometimes and they're all following each other to big battery SUVs because that's what the manufacturers want us to buy.
Resisting the trend isn't always easy but I'll only doubt my decision when I travel to Scotland. Guess I'll have to do that for the channel won't I?
Wow I got an e-golf which I had from new. Was looking at a EQA of a model 3 for the same reasons of the time spent waiting for chargers. However now I’m thinking again, maybe the e-golf is better than I thought.
@@e-trippingwithadamgebbett8024 Have to say… I miss the e-Golf. I also had mine from new and put 30k miles on it, loved every trip in it.
I convinced myself I needed to upgrade for more range and faster charging, but I see now that feeling was driven by a mixture of…
1) FOMO
2) My obsessive need to try new tech 😅
3) “wouldn’t it be nice if…”
… and not a genuine need.
The EQA is a fantastic car, I don’t mean to crap on it with my comment - if I really did need the long distance perks I would be over the moon with it, but it just feels a bit absurd driving a 2.5 metric tonne tank around all the time when I don’t absolutely need it 😁 I would 100% recommend EQA if it fits your needs 👍
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@@EVPuzzle so you don't think a larger Battery which is more convenient lasts longer and is cheaper to run is a worthwhile .
We’ve just ordered a level 3 for sept delivery but haven’t locked a spec yet. Can’t decide whether to have white with the multi coloured red roof or red with a multi black roof. Great review.
Great video again,we have our level 3 about four weeks we love the car but at the moment we are using one percent of battery every mile even with the top brake regeneration and using green mode
Weather is improving were back into 4.5 to 4.8 miles per kWh so range is 120+
Thanks for these informative reviews, mate. I managed to secure a L2 back in November of 2021 via a work salary sacrifice scheme for £321 with no deposit, piano trim and roof rails. Initially cancelled it when the delivery date went form March 2022 to September 2022 🤢 however, turns out I hadn't actually cancelled it allegedly and to my surprise it was still being ordered! I received an email from the Mini dealership in Southampton (I'm from South Yorkshire) asking me to confirm spec before delivery and after how things have developed in the world since November of last year with fuel prices etc etc it felt almost like divine intervention!
So it goes without saying I quickly confirmed I would like to continue with the order and it should be with me come August/ September and can't wait. Range won't be an issue for me being relatively local most of the time so will happily be able to give it a good spank around the lovely Yorkshire countryside 😁 cheers!
So long as they honour the price , good deal. If ordered before the grant scheme ended you should be entitled to that too. IF the dealer actually submitted the paperwork
@@EVPuzzle yeah I think it was only that cheap due to the government grant and of course the tax benefits of doing it through the salary sacrifice scheme. They did point out that if I were to go for the same spec and model now it would be much higher so lucky in a way!
If im right, i believe the s and therefore se uses a special type of mechanical damper which opens up a seperate valve if you go over a hard enough bump to temporarily soften the ride that bit more
Tyres make your softer ride feeling. Same with new Model Y- if has the Michelin tyres it’s harsh but if it has the Hankook they feel more comfortable. They’ve now switched all to Goodyear since
Oh I do enjoy listening to your thoughts Nigel great video, my inquisitorial mind would be reaching for pencil and paper and copying a section of the central display light ring and then punching it into a Morse code decoder just to see what I got.
That's very plausible , I've heard the mini startup jingle is morse spelling mini
I never thought you'd get another.
They're so so good
Something you may not have noticed, your 1-6 under the screen are both touch sensitive and real buttons
My 2022 L2 feels smooth on bumpy roads as well (but this is compared to my 2015 ICE Mini...). My joints are so happy!
Lol mini lovers can't help but love the electric. It really is an upgrade
Tires can make a huge difference in a car's handling. I might well be wrong, but I'm guessing the Hankooks have more flexible side walls, without giving up the sporting feel.
Over all sounds like a better driving experience to be had on the L3, so folks you heard it here, now go out and demand Mini dealerships find you a model.
excellent video thankyou. Convinced me to buy the L3 over the L2.
It is worth it for the l3
666 devils work 🤣 thanks for your great content ❤️
On the last 3 Minis I’ve had (had 4 in total), I’ve always specified the head up display. I think it’s good for the speed display and also the navigation. The display on the instrument binnacle can display other things. Every time I get a loan car from Mini without a head up display, I really miss it.
This video was just suggested to me by TH-cam and it was funny to spot local landmarks. I assume it was based on my interest in electric cars rather than location?! I love the mini ev and regret not ordering one to complement our model 3 in the autumn when the lease/pcp deals were so much cheaper than they are now. I think we’ll probably wait for the new one now.
Glad to see TH-cam recommending my videos.
I hope your wait for the 2023 model isn't a dissapointment. I'm sure some aspects will be better including battery size but I think there will be some Chinese influence that might be a surprise to us.
Waiting for a ev can seem like forever too
@@EVPuzzle Yes, the spy shots aren’t promising. Especially from the rear. We’re not doing many miles in our second car at the moment though, so would be a waste to have one sitting on the drive right now.
I don’t like the jagged lines either. It’s the only complaint of the cabin and seems pointless. I prefer the old style ring that lights up.
Lane Departure warning can be switched off/on by pressing the tiny switch with the plan view of the car next to the hazard warning lights switch, a menu will display on the big screen that allows adjustment of front collision warning sensitivity, pedestrian warning sensitivity and the lane keeping warning - adjust using the touch screen or the multimedia knob beside the gear shifter.
Also with the headlights, if you have them set to auto on then press the lower half of the stalk button on the left stalk they will stay on high beam but adjust the beam pattern automatically so as not to dazzle oncoming drivers. Feels weird driving on full beam all the time! Also with that half button pressed, when you enter an area with street lights the headlights will automatically go to a lower /dipped setting, the blue full beam indicator light will go out and when you leave the street lighted place eventually the lights will automatically come back up on full beam and the blue lamp will automatically re-illuminate.
Cheers, very helpful
Your new mini looks great.
Interestingly I was looking at PCP figures on the Mini Electric last week. The level 3 was considerably more expensive than either the level 1 or 2. I assume the lease companies don’t expect it to retain a big premium at 3 yrs old?
They're only about 1000 to 2000 worse off over 2 to 3 years but that's still a decent monthly amount different
It's funny that you mention the Model Y Thats what I drive and we also ordered a Mini SE for our second car to replace my wife's ICE car.. such a difference in the Mini.. it's kind of fun.. feels like an airplane cockpit
but... I will say that I am not a fan of the heads up display.. it's too much. and not necessary.. if they got rid of the other screen in front of the steering wheel and only had the heads up display that would be great, but on our test drive I had the sales person put it down.
I'd like to see Mini go in a similar direction to the Honda E with wider multi screen.. Its popular in the ev6 and Ioniq 5 too but it'd mean losing the iconic circle and yes ditch the HUD in favour of active cruise control as standard
Hello Nigel mate did you find a work around the LG Chem resu battery drain when you charge with the Zappi ? Reason i ask is i had a zappi installed early this year and it drains my resu battery . I have the 10kw 48v , just had it replaced last week under the LG Chem recall .
Most people. Avoid the drain by charging the battery at the same time as grid charging on the Zappi. If its a DC connected battery then it's not possible without wiring your system to isolate the Zappi. Think I prefer to drain the battery on a fast charge tbh
@@EVPuzzle Thanks for the prompt reply Nigel ! Most of my charging is done in the Octopus Go off peak time 00.30- 0430 unless its a good solar day up here in the NE when i will trickle charge on eco+ 100% solar . So when my battery should be running the house in the early hours which it did before the Zappi , now more often than not the battery is drained by sunrise . i will speak again with the nice tech guys at Myenergi see if they have a software fix in the pipeline or a super ct clamp fix ? thanks again i will keep you posted
Grid charging your car you ideally need to turn your battery off during that time. Setting it to charge usually works.
You might be able to set the max amps out if the battery low overnight so it doesnt discharge.
The new leather seats develop sag, I've already seen two lightly used demos with the problem.
Mine are fine
Love your video, took out the 3 yesterday but ordered the 2 purely as I hated the HUD. It's a cheap tacky version cast onto a cheap piece of plastic rather than onto the windscreen like on a 'proper' HUD. Most other things are great. What is the best range you've ever achieved on the Mini EV when you've driven it like a saint?
170, I think . Did a video of the drive . Wasn't trying initially but when I realised how well we were doing I milked it down to zero
After seeing the new specs of the 2024 Cooper E and Cooper SE I think I’m sold on having the update model in 2024.
If they make it better it'll be awesome, I just fear they'll make it cheaper. Square back end not a good start
@@EVPuzzle Looks like some is good start, Cooper E gets 40kwh battery, SE will get 50kwh, so range improvements. also will be available in 3dr, 5dr possibly SUV shape etc so electrifying most of the new range. Whilst it may be made in China alongside Oracat, the electric cars coming out of China have been impressive and one would hope that mini retains bmws material qualities which is likely as other electric cars are made in China for BMW
That'll nudge the price up them, almost double the battery size. I'd guess the 50kwh will be for the bigger countryman. If they release a Clubman we'll buy one
@@EVPuzzle is apparently on normal mini size too so E is less power smaller battery, SE is more power bigger battery
@@Ligre667 all sounds good but if the drive train is Chinese until we drive it its a big presumption it'll be as good then there's the price. Bigger battery won't be for free
Like the car but heads up not really required IMHO, too close as you say. Like the light coloured leather too, but not sure how long it will stay that colour ? . Enjoy the new toy
Nice comparison, thanks! I'm wondering, can I actually change the speedometer from mph to kph and what's with the climate control systems - are they using Celsius for the reference?..
Units are changeable in settings
Hi, I need to ask a question. I believe the new model >2022 has ACC (ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL) where as the old one was just cruise control. Not sure but I thought I would ask. The car I drive has ACC and it’s great as it slows down and speeds up with the cars in front. You basically just steer and don’t keep moving your feet.
I also think cruise is standard and ACC is a £300 option
Yes it's an option I didn't select
Have you done any acceleration runs with the traction control in the correct mode (DTC, press the toggle and release it), or with it supposedly shut off (press the toggle and hold 4-5 seconds)? DTC is far less invasive, supposedly mimicking a limited-slip differential. Unfortunately, US models will not let you completely switch off the traction control, I guess because their lawyers won't let them.
All sport mode does is change the throttle mapping, which will only matter if you are not rapidly depressing the pedal all the way. You can still do full throttle in green mode (not sure about G+), just that it takes more pedal stroke to reach that point, which ought to vary the time by a tenth of a second or less.
In my 2010 Clubman S I would use normal mode in the winter when I needed better fine control in the lower throttle range, with winter tyres fitted. Then I'd use sport mode in the summer with high-performance tyres, though the throttle got so touchy I would take off my shoes in order to avoid over-revving the engine while letting the clutch out.
I will fiddle with the modes in my SE this afternoon to see if the steering boost is noticeably altered in the different modes.
My 2022 SE came with Pirelli P7s fitted. They are decent, competent, not quite as tenacious at the limit of grip. The breakaway point is much more gradual, so you should never be surprised. The drawback is that they are rubbish below around 25 Fahrenheit. The rubber compound just loses all hope.
All the "bad weather lights" switch does is switches on the cornering lights all the time. Switch them on (after reaching halfway to the floor to find the buttons) the next time you're overtaken by a lorry on a motorway. The beams of the main headlamps do not leave a gap close in, so true fog lamps are truly unnecessary. All the posers in the US are leaving disparaging remarks on social media disparaging the removal of a fashion statement. I just wish the company lawyers (and the USA's always-hopelessly-outdated lighting standards) would permit the BW lights to turn on with the parking lamps. If you live in areas prone to heavy lake-effect snow, all these high-powered headlamps do is illuminate a wall of snowflakes immediately in front of the car; you can't see anything. Park-plus-fog would allow you to continue safely at reduced speed, being able to see the sides of the road and not blinded by lighting up all the snow. Unfortunately, the lawyers killed that ability, too.
Fog lights are inbuilt in the matrix, corners lights are also in-built in the matrix and watch at night when going around a bend - the near side kerb will be illuminated.
Night video needed I guess
@@EVPuzzle we are like you - upgraded, we love the Mini, a lot of people have never sat in one or driven it, but when they do…then they think there’re wonderful, apparently the new design shares a lot of tech with the new X1 so BMW has been busy. I didn’t know about the cornering lights until the dealer told us, with the auto dim option you can leave the lights on full and it paints a box around the vehicle in-front or on-coming so they don’t get dazzled, hence the very precise edges to the light pattern, fascinating. I think there will be other undocumented features that will become obvious as I drive it more.
I'm a little nervous of the body shapes I've seen that are coming, they look like a Chinese take on the Mini not an improvement over the F56. Fingers crossed the final designs are pleasing.
Software is going to be key with electric cars. VW have screwed the pouch and BMW seem to have got it covered without going down the Google route
@@EVPuzzle yes I agree, definite Chinese design cues, but BMW are getting some of their cars including the new and bigger Countryman made in China, so it seems inevitable.
How did you make the mini logo appear on the central display when starting the drive ready state at 0:16? Mine doesn’t show that when I turn on drive ready state- it just shows the choice of nav, media etc. Did you have the car already at standby state and then just press the brake to make it go to drive ready state?
I too would like this to happen on mine!
It's good isn't it
@@EVPuzzle so what did you do to make it appear please Nigel?
Being honest I have no idea, I just turned the car on and filmed it, I haven't paid attention to the startup images to be honest but your right it's nice. I'm guessing it's as you said, a previous ignition on startup
If it's the same as other BMW'S the start up logos appear 'only under certain circumstances' according to the manuals. Was like that on my last and present car and after 4 years I've no idea, just seems random but if anything more likely if the car has not been used for several hours.
Hi Nigel, have you ever calculated what you have spent on buying & selling the various EVs from your Kona on?
Just the gain/loss on the cars themselves, not running cost etc.
I would imagine it’s nowhere near as much as would have been lost in swapping ICE cars that many times.
Can the indicator sound be adjusted on the Mini?
Cheers
Yes indicator sound is adjustable and you're right, my car swapping hasn't been that expensive and my Mini is already worth more than I paid for it
Hi Nigel. Any idea what the Mini would cost to charge (full or better to 80%?) if public charging is 50p Kwh? I have an InstaVolt near to my house. Thanks in advance.
From 10% to 80% would be 50p x (28.2kwh x70%x1.1 for losses)..... 21.7kwh x 50p. £10.86
that's way cheaper then gas or hybrde
Good round-up. I also think the Harmon Kardon is a waste of money. I think the Lane Judder thing is a new feature on the 2022 model. You can switch the HUD off if you don't like it. I do find it slightly useful. I didn't know about the split screen. I prefer the 2020 foglights rather than the vents. More chrome, and they are lower to the ground so more effective in fog. Their removal seems to be a downgrade. I'm also waiting for the convertible (said to be 2026). You'll need to clean it again now! Looking forward to more videos.
Could you tell us what you mean by LCI Model? I've never heard of that before.
Life cycle impulse.
Basically a facelift model
Mini commonly do this and refer to it as the LCI model
Wing mirror design is different too
Year there not got me gripped yet. I also found it a bit like driving a boat. Like most electrics all that weight doesn't inspire you with the handling above 35mph on the bends. Got a long way to go to get us out of our 306hp 0-60 4.4sec JCW Countrymam, beware of that black our last JCW had a Piano black roof and it chips real easy and bird droppings mark the paint permanently....Good luck with it.....
I'm surprised - a countryman being over 100kg heavier and 4 inches taller. Does have a lot more power, though. Maybe a 320bhp electric Mini in the future?
Great looking new Mini……👍
They just need to fit an updated battery pack to provide a decent range.
It'd help but the reality is the range is not an issue for the typical Mini user or average person. Charging isn't so bad and doesn't add much to your journey, embrace the change
@@EVPuzzle Exactly EV. The average UK daily commute is 20.8 miles, and the average UK motorway journey is 70 to 80 miles. Lots of folk seem convinced they need 500 miles of range, when in reality they actually don't.... You could readily use the electric Mini for a typical UK commute for a week without charging it.
AFAIK new one will have 49 or 5o kw pack. For me 150 miles of range is enough. 200 would be nice. But I like cheap price even more
Unfortunately, the only people who think the current range is adequate are those who have made the Mini purchase decision. I’m pleased it works for you guyz. The real issue is why Mini have not reached their own electric sales target. The next electric Mini (currently under advanced development) will have a range competitive with the current crop of electric vehicles by using more advanced battery packs.
Obviously, as cars develop they get better. Not sure the point of saying this, everyone knows the current mini is great but it has limitations. Let's hope the new mini is a great car itself not just a bigger battery.
level 2? Level 3? It has games?
The tesla M3 would benefit greatly from a heads-up display. For the Mini it is a “belt and braces” option adding little value.
I keep seeing new videos for 2022 and it confuses the hell out of me. Is this new, this year, or… actually it looks very similar to the bells and whistles in my 2021 Countryman. I can never figure out any more when these new videos of “new features” are actually new features, or just a change in the numbering. I’m actually interested in getting an electric also, but can’t seem to work out whether what I’m watching is the same as what I saw in the showroom three months ago (which would be 2021)….
Mini was built in February , delivered March
@@EVPuzzle ahh ok… so this particular car was built 2022 but essentially the same as what I saw in the showroom 2021.
I only ask because if I order now (not in U.K.) only to find that shortly afterwards there’s something newer that I’ve narrowly missed out on, that would be annoying!
Mini keep releasing 'collection' cars with different trim and colours but essentially same car.
Parts shortages causes heated steering wheels to be excluded or Harmin or Active Cruise control but essentially same car.
New model not due until mid 2023 , might be bigger battery but doesn't look so good imo
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On my VW Tiguan indicating to change lane momentarily disables the steering wheel warning. It’s nagged me into always indicating :-)
That's how the Kona worked
QUESTION: what does LCI mean?
Updated model , can't recall the exact acronym meaning
Life cycle impulse. Just Googled it
What did you think of the Tesla y
Didn't like suspension, rude bounced too much for me otherwise great car
LCI… Is this a BMW thing? I had a 2007 5 series BMW. It was the LCI model too
BMW mini term for Facelift
@@EVPuzzle yes indeed also there was a power boost with diesel and petrol engines too, except the M5 version of the e60.. Life Cycle impulse
Speed warning camera that tells you if your over say 30mph if it sees a road sign. New EU regulation.
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Display/dash is different - touch and pseudo digital speedo and battery level
I'd give up all those bells and whistles for a 250-300mile range battery
Everyone's needs and desires are different. I do t want just a big battery, I want a fun and quality car too but the good news is there are EVs for everyone. Chinese brands are bringing out bigger battery EVs at very competitive prices
@@EVPuzzle To me the BMW EV's are compliance cars, the absolute minimum required to meet California's laws so they can continue to sell their ICE cars.
Looking at it, it's a car I can't take to work because it's range will not let me do my work without having to find a charge point multiple times a day. As for wide choices, there are exactly 2, A Nissan leaf or a Chevy Bolt.
@@linusa2996 you clearly haven't driven the BMW i4. It's exactly what you want, costs 60 grand mind you
@@shorey66 I grew up with and learned to drive a 1966 Austin Mini with an 850cc 4cyl 4 on the floor. So that is my baseline. A car that does what it needs to do, transport 4 with luggage. 300 miles and costs less than $20k in 2022 USD while still being fun and smiles.
@@linusa2996 and doesn't meet any modern safety or emissions standards so it's irrelevant.
Honda E is very good car
In what respect? It seemed well made when I drove one but has its issues of course
buy ít
is it true that is made in china?
No not this model , new electric ones yes
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There are several compact cars on the market you can buy for $20k-$25k, that get north of 30mpg. So paying $40k for a car that can only go 110 mile is fucking stupid. This car would only be valid if it cost less than $20-$25k.
Spending 25k on a car that does 30 mpg is f-ing stupid imo especially then filling it up for £50 quid a time on top of that and helping Putin by increasing petrol demand around the world. As if the emissions weren't bad enough but no, ruining the world, fueling a war and paying £50 a fill Up isn't enough to go electric.
@@EVPuzzle wow, how much kool-aid did you drink this morning. FYI, not all oil comes from Russian - dipshit. But the fact that I can buy an entire car for HALF the money, and then have $20,000 to use for gas. Yeah, the mini is fucking stupid.
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So the average person puts 12,000 miles on a car in a year. At 30mpg, that's 400 gallons of fuel. At $5(us), that's $2,000 in gas. So that extra $20k will buy me TEN YEARS worth of 'free' fule vs getting a mini. And how much does replacing a battery cost? They usually need to be replace about every ten years (great for the environment fyi). A typical battery runs $3k to $5k. Even worse for team mini...
@@EVPuzzle Well said and a real 21st century response! The Coper SE is the sexiest car on the road :) Just seeing the price of fossil fuel now is simply insane. What is so horrific is that Govt's have had 50+ years to move away from these old things. It makes me angry when I see the McDonalds fast for top houses being built in the UK in the same way as in 1980 with no solar panels or wind turbine etc. I lived in an apartment on Oxford Road, Manchester in 2002 whilst at university and it was a self generating building with both solar and wind turbine. The whole experience was incredible with no bills and the most beautiful floor to ceiling windows filled with natural sun light! :)
If you can only have one car, and you have a $20k budget, don't go EV, just get a Corolla, plain and simple. If you want to buy a car and keep it for 10+ years, don't buy an EV. EVs are disposable. Within a year, the next model is already out with better range, better acceleration, better software. You lease them for 3 years and move on to the next. No maintenance, no oil change, just rotate tires. We are not at a point yet where I feel like you can own an EV as your only car. Even something like a Tesla with range that almost rivals an ICE car there are always scenarios like when it's really cold, range suffers. You need to go somewhere remote where charging network is not as good, you get range anxiety. The reality is, even if a car covers 99.5% of use cases it's not good enough. I think we will get there soon, but not quite yet.
Now, assuming you can have 2 cars. You already have an ICE car for that 0.5% edge case (road trip to the mountains) and you want an EV for your daily driving. You will come to realize that 99% of your daily commute is most likely under 100 miles. Why then do you need a Tesla with 400 mile range? Assuming it's a 2nd car, and you have a level 2 charger at home, the short range of the Mini becomes irrelevant.
Yes it's inherently flawed in that, they took the powertrain from an i3 and put it in a chassis designed for an ICE. On the other hand, those same flaws are what make it great compared to other EVs.
-It's based on an ICE platform, but that means it looks like a classic Mini, which is a great looking car. They haven't ruined the looks by going EV
-People are turned off by the numbers on paper so you only have a 4 months waiting list and pay MSRP instead of 1+ year wait list with dealer markups for an IONIQ 5.
-The small battery means it's still a light car and charges quickly on your average 240V AC charger
-It has an almost 50/50 weight distribution and lower center of gravity which means it handles like it's on rails (no understeer)
-It has an interior that feels like a $40k car, nice leather seats, very good bolstering, switches and buttons feel quality (It feels like a BMW lite the same way a golf GTI feels like an Audi lite)
-The steering actually has good feedback. Most cars in that range have a completely numb steering.
-Most new cars at $40k or less now have 4cyl engines tuned for economy and sound like vacuum cleaners with fake engine noise played through the speakers. You want a manual transmission to get some engagement? Long gearing and rev hang will make sure to kill all the fun. Any cars that make exception to that rule (GR86) are impossible to get for MSRP. Unless you are spending significantly more money to get something more exotic that actually sounds good, give me an electric car any day.
Awful advice
Do NOT buy a Toyota.
Go EV now
Waiting for Something is daft imo, you're missing out and prices are increasing