The way you visualize and discuss the variations of play is delightful. It’s calm, it’s jam packed with insight. I feel like I picked up some new visualization tricks just from watching. Thanks for taking the time to put in the work here.
0:42 I absolutely love this. You briefly mention the controversy behind the scenes for this game, then say "That’s not why we're here. We're here to learn chess." Always my favorite chess analysis channel, Jerry! Phenomenal!
he saw a watch and "lost my ability to concentrate". just wow. What an excuse! Maybe he should have focused on the board instead of his opponent's attire.
All the bullet/rapid Magnus has been playing is influencing him to play more loose with his pieces. Usually he doesn’t get burnt like this but when you play with fire…
I'm glad he gave credit to the guy, but Magnus needs to quit making excuses and complaining about shit when he loses. I see Carlsen as the best chess player ever, not just alive, but my god he can't take a loss. An analog watch is perfectly fine to wear in a chess tournament. If that distracting you is why you claim you lost, you need to grow up.
Magnus is one anti-semitic comment away from pulling a full on Bobby Fisher career path. Step 1 - become a world chess champion Step 2 - Be hypersensitive and complain heavily to the tournament director about small things Step 3 - Have a mental breakdown and reply to any media attention with controversial declarations until they leave you alone
Jerry. Thanks so much for presenting this game without diving deep into the controversy. Better IMO to study the game first before diving into the drama.
Always love to see a smothered mate. Thank you, Jerry; I'll start thinking more about oft weak squares like f7. These videos you are making are the best.
Guys you are misenterpreting what Magnus said. He clearly accepted the defeat and the excellent game of his opponent. He just complaint about the watch that shouldn't be there and obviously he has a sensitive soft spot there. Do not forget that he says what he thinks in the good and the bad without filter! And lastly, he is a super genius and we shouldn't try to adjust his way of thinking to our way of thinking.
This is an extremely terrible idea. Someone who is a genius in one area is not a genius in all areas. Bobby Fischer was an antisemitic monster, but a chess genius, should what "he says what he thinks... without filter" be considered a good thing? Should we not try to adjust that way of thinking?
@@press_x_tojason Now you oversimplify. Magnus was not appeared yesterday and as far as I remember noone had any problem with his raw honesty, not to mention that he has lost enough games and this is not his first defeat. What I mean is that genius with a very big IQ, one way or another is in the spectrum of autism, and you cannot expect to have the same behavior with the majority of us; they experience the relations from a different perspective. So to conclude, his raw honesty is the proof that what he said for his opponent (excellent play) and his soft spot with cheating are ALL 100% true, without any hint to doubt his opponent win.
13:20 🤣 Maybe Magnus showed up to the wrong tournament; What do you mean this isn't Fischer random? Magnus played surprisingly well being two rooks down. Rare to see Magnus being outplayed like this.
Knight on b or g file suggests it's 9LX. I figure this is the same reason Wesley So lost to Alexey Sarana in 2023 fide world cup - like is playing too much 9LX.
According to Hikaru Nakamura, these tournaments have meetings beforehand where they go over the rules, etc., and Magnus did not attend. If you have any issues with any rules in any contest, you need to address them before you participate, otherwise, do not participate. It is that simple. Magnus is a sore loser and this was another low-class move forever tainting yet another player's reputation by making a baseless accusation/implication.
Your crusade against Carlson is invalidating your points: 1)Carlson explicitly stated that Suleymenov is NOT at fault on multiple occasions. He complimented him ffs! 2) in the FIDE regulations it is explicitly stated that watches should not be allowed (this is ignored in this tournament) 3)Carlson also did not protest against any rule of the tournament! what he did was accusing the organizers for not taking cheating seriously by ignoring the FIDE regulations.
@@AsaniSywenI don't know anything about the other user's crusade against Carlsen, but as someone who has not commented about Carlsen before, I think it's pretty obvious Carlsen was a sore loser here. "This is not to accuse my opponent of anything, ... but" proceeds to blame his loss on losing his ability to focus because his opponent was wearing a watch. The implication is that he would have focused-and therefore not lost as he did-if his opponent had not worn a watch. So at the very least, he is tarnishing his opponent's victory by claiming that it was enabled by outside factors. Major sore loser man baby energy from Magnus on this one.
@@papaboris8665 dude, your logic is false. Carlsen never said or 'implied' that if Suleymenov wasn't wearing a watch Carlsen would have won. That is your (false) assumption. Carlsen only blamed himself. he blamed his own inability to focus. you are changing the premise 'Carlsen lost because he couldn't focus' to 'Carlsen lost because his opponent was wearing a watch' Carlsen does not think there was cheating involved. He even said Suleymenov 'deserved' that win. i don't know how much clearer that can be.
@@AsaniSywenIt was a pretty backhanded compliment tbh. He didn't accuse suleymenov of cheating, but he basically said that he lost because he was distracted by the possibility of cheating. And there's a history behind this that will cause some people to wonder if suleymenov is cheating, tainting what is no doubt the greatest achievement of his career. Magnus could have addressed this matter in a different way, without blowing it up on social media
@@sethsmith6042 lol, you guys really want that he accuses another player of cheating? If you think that: 'my opponent played an amazing game and deserved that win' means that 'my opponent cheated', or that 'I couldn't focus' means 'my opponent cheated' that is YOUR problem, not Carlsen. He literally stated that he couldn't focus because of the ORGANISERS not taking anti-cheating seriously!
... Ne7 lost him the game. I wonder how hard it is to deviate from chess principles and accept that you have to take on the doubled e pawns. Seemed like he had no counterplay at all after that move. Also what was the point of ... Qb8? Seems like a really counterintuitive move boxing yourself in like that.
The pure, almost simple, path to annhilation is reminiscent of some of Fischer's gems against the best players in the world. In today's world of "silicone coaches," you hardly never see wipeouts at the highest level..... until now.
I really don’t understand that Ba6 “finesse” in the opening… as White I’m happy to develop my Queen to c2 to support e4. Kinda ridiculous. Edit: Looking through the game with an engine, …Ne8 is definitely the worst move played which cost the game, but I also think …d5 was really poor defense, …Rd8 works much better there.
the Q on c2 makes playing d5 pretty much impossible for white which is black's biggest concern. White can always play e4 eventually but now the queen is not well placed on c2 as there's a half open file against it and it is staring at the e4 pawn.
In an alternate universe: Carlsen: "Do you mind removing your watch during the game? I'd feel more comfortable" Suleymenov: "Sure, no problem" I don't know exactly how this went down, but had such a polite, direct request been refused by Suleymenov, he would be automatically be found guilty in the court of public opinion. I can't help but wonder if this is just another case of people forgetting how to communicate with other human beings, and instead choosing to appeal directly to authority figures. And when they don't get what they want, ranting on social media. For so many people this seems to be their only way of dealing with interpersonal problems.
Oh yeah such an invalid complaint that his opponent is wearing a watch that he's not supposed to be in a game where distractions WILL cause negative impacts to your play when that distraction causes such a decisive loss. What a whiner.
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.@@cappyricks942
I was very concerned about hans niemann cheating scandal, and I think there is a real possibility he did cheat vs magnus and other times. This time white moves are so natural and humanlike that even if that's cheating, there's no way we can argue about that. So please just cut all the possibilities and take serious anti-cheating procedures. So we can live and feel a brilliancy as a brilliancy and just be amazed about it, now we don't even know what to feel anymore, come on for real?
It does not even have to feed him the moves. Small vibrations may be conveyed from an interaction between a radiowave transmitter and receiver at the right time alerting you when you should be looking for tactical advantages, which are enough for most professional players to find out the right combination of moves. It is like solving a chess puzzle. The trick does not lie in solving the chess puzzle, it lies in using technology to realise that you are looking at one.
@@chinmayaprakash sounds like a psychological disease to me. Extreme paranoia. He didn't cheat with some high-tech radio hidden inside a working watch. wow.
Yeah, his queen was entombed between his poorly placed rooks even 1000 rated players wouldn't do that. It's no wonder Hikaru flamed him for even insinuating Sulymenov was possibly cheating by wearing a watch.
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in a contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.
Rook c8 by black, just looks ugly. But honestly, by move 14, whites position just looks so much better. So many of whites pieces are just gunning blacks king side. Meanwhile, blacks main pieces are huddled in a corner just cowering.
Magnus made it quite easy for his opponent. I am really not good at this game but had a bad feeling when Magnus put his queen and rook so far to the queen side. They had no real influence on the game after that. Brilliancy meets carelessness.
as usual outstanding work by Jerry, great teacher of the game to Everyone that he is it's really sad to see arguably the greatest chess player of all time taking so much criticism for stating what should be obvious: that cheating via engines must be taken seriously or global competitive chess will be destroyed by it too many people want hate on the greats of their time because they are insecure about how mediocre their own accomplishments seem by comparison. they don't care about the game or anything besides their own fragile egos. the internet gives them a voice and they form their echo chambers where they think because so many stupid mfers agree they must all be right. we used to be able to ignore the village idiot now they form groups smh
Well, Magnus starts to build up a reputation of falsely accusing people of cheating, which is as damaging to the chess sport as cheating itself. So, this behaviour must not be tolerated as well. Magnus needs to learn how to take a loss like a good sports man.
you can fit a computer stronger than the ones that we used for the moon landings in a watch, security being so lax is a sign that they are not taking the problem seriously at all, thats all he's saying you are missing the forest for the trees
Carlsen is going to have to continue to attend these events, for the money and the status, and he's simply going to lose more and more of the games if he doesn't start taking the tournaments, and especially the players, seriously. He saw the watch at the start of the game, he thought nothing of it, he thought he was better than his opponent, and he got outplayed... again. Carlsen is an egotist.
Again? Tf you mean Carlsen literally won every event he has joined like 9-10 Including world cup which is also open He also gained dozens of rating He also played European champ, he became one with team he also played low rated
If Carlsen really wanted to make a stand, he should have refused to play from the very start. It surely won't look good to become the herald of anti-cheating only after losing games. This kind of half-measures only deliver half-messages that are harmful to everyone, including himself, who seems to be a sore loser more and more.
Carlsen didn't instantly realize that the presence of the watch would be distracting. Perhaps he thought he'd be able to move past it. That may be why he didn't refuse to play from the beginning. It is normal to not always anticipate how things will affect your concentration. It is normal for players to share their thoughts about their games afterwards. That is what Carlsen did. You seem to have no legitimate criticism of Carlsen's behaviour.
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And then there are the hordes of self-important nobodies who think their opinion on Carlsen matters in the slightest.
all of magnus moves were bad, self-suffocating retreiving moves, in his own last 2 ranks... If you don't charge forward, your opponent will. Your opponent is not hanging around for a cup of coffee, while Magnus practices his unconvetional chess moves.. 😝
@@hansg6015no. Analog watch. I mean it's possible that it was some kind of smart device disguised as an analog watch. I'm not really sure, all I know is that this Alisher guy just became a grandmaster this year, and this game feels a little too perfect. But hey, even I have some pretty amazing games (relative to my skill level) on occasion, so who knows?
Well, first things first. If indeed the venue forbad “watches”, then White did cheat. Period. Myself I don’t see the harm in a non-ticking watch; but perhaps the rule was made to forbid watches generally simply to prevent loopholes. I’m not a particular fan of Carlsen’s; nevertheless I see, in fairness, an unfortunately null game for White no matter how brilliantly played.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 I didn’t accuse anybody of anything. You don’t think “forbad” is a word, sir? It is. Kindly think before you engage in knee-jerk competitiveness.
One time for the haters so maybe they can understand why Magnus would tweet this knowing his detractors will attack him for it. Magnus did not accuse his opponent of cheating he did the exact opposite and gave him credit for playing a great game. This is the best player in the world, and likely the only one who would get tournament organizers to listen, taking care of and looking out for the future of the game he has dedicated his life to playing. Tournament chess will cease to exist if tournament organizers do not start taking potential cheating as serious as USADA takes PED use in sports for instance. Magnus literally is putting himself out there to take flak in order to protect the future of chess.
@@kimi3421 You are able to comprehend that a player is going to HAVE TO WIN and likely do so in dominant engine like fashion for whispers of them potentially using an engine to occur, right? I would have hoped so without it being said but apparently not. Additionally, I feel required to point out that acting like it's some sort of "gotcha" because this occurred when Magnus's opponent won is outright moronic(to put it as kindly as possible). People who are so eager to hate on uber successful people like Magnoose just reek of jealousy and come off as about as outright pathetic as it gets.
Alishev touched his watch everytime before playing Also he literally got 0 wins after defeating magnus ( which is after they add 15 min delay AND no watch policy as watchs are forbidden it should be in the first place) Also there is a FM who defetaed fedoseev and he lost 4 in a row after delay
How is it that Carlsen is a world champion but every time I see some video on him he’s getting crushed by someone? Is there some sort of online hatred on this guy? Just curious.
People like jerry and other creators only share when he lose He has won 9 tournaments out of 10 in this year including world cup Everyone said “ its carlsen and he won nice “ But when he doesnt win 1 event everyone says “ he fell off “ Everyone loses but only magnus’ lost is news
2nd : Hey Jerry since you're American, what do you think is Magnus' beef with Americans like Hans, Maxim Dlugy, Danya, Wesley So, Larry Kaufman, John Chernoff, Fabi, Ben Finegold, Ben Johnson, Eric Rosen, Maurice, et al?
I'll tell you what my beef with Ben Finegold specifically: behind the facade of haha le funny chess man, he's just a spiteful little thing who's envious and fakes humility despite never being nearly as good as he thinks he should have been.
@@fakeplaystore7991 Hi Magnus! Stop being discriminatory towards Jewish or American players. Kidding. Well thanks for your honesty. But do you hate Magnus for baselessly accusing or cheating Jewish-or-American players like Hans, Alisha, Alireza (MVL is Jewish), Anish, Maxim Dlugy, Wesley So, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Danya 2x, Sergey Karjakin, Nepo, et al? Or otherwise discriminating against them eg that incident with Maurice?
@@fakeplaystore7991 Btw what's your opinion of ben Finegold's recent video on Wesley So where e goes through Wesley So's Wikipedia page and stuff? (Note : I didn't finish watching the video, but I did make a lot of the Wikipedia edits that Ben finegold talks about.)
oh no, the wall of crazy again! you are a lost soul sir. get something to do with your life that actually has a meaning . hans is a toxic cheater and shame on you for using So in the same sentence as him.Magnus doesnt have any beaf with Fabi or So, and Fabi + So were the ones triggering the cheating allegations against hans! Not to mention Hans BANNED YOU from his twitch channel. go touch grass
I'm not sure I've ever seen a position at this level of play that was so one-sidedly tactically rich. Carlsen's Qb8 was an awful move, and then he poured gasoline on the fire with Rc8. Suleymenov seized the opening and absolutely whupped him. And Magnus looked like a crybaby afterwards, while that kid will never forget obliterating one of the best ever. Great analysis as always, Jerry. Thanks.
I am the worst chess player in the world. But even I know, that Gary Kasparow played like white in this game. There is no watch necessary to know this. 🤔 I guess it was Gary....
Tournaments should be uniform in enforcement but carlsen waiting until right after he loses a game to speak up is the reason people throwing unfounded shade
This is a dumb take. He literally spoke with an arbitor about it. Like how could he speak up any sooner? Do you want him to go and tweet in the middle of the game?
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in a contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.@@noone-ld7pt
Not to mention, he caused HUGE problems for Hans Nieman because Magnus just can't accept he won't win every game against someone rated lower than himself. He's always got some excuse. I'm over that crybaby shit.
Bobby Fischer is the best chess player ever. Magnus is a multimillionaire online chess tycoon, who happens to be the best chess player around today. You fail to see how MC’s comments/behaviors are exactly how successful business leaders create culture and set expectations; basically, you don’t even understand the context of what’s happening here.
I'm sorry but somebody has to say it; Alisher played NORMAL GM CHESS. Carlsen's positional play is just flat out STUPID in this game; It's almost Completely Lost after he moves the Rook to C8. The engine evaluation may not reflect it but that's just because... a) Engines can play 8 straight only moves to untangle b) There is still a Horizon Effect with engines and so Even the most UpTo Date Stockfish might get his rook Positionally Trapped in the middle game against Leela for example. Carlsen's opponent did NOT show me ANY great moves to get this game to the point where it was totally losing for the world number one.
Lmao you know internet went too far when a random dude not only claims that Magnus' positional play is "stupid", but also claims that ENGINES don't understand the position either... Rc8 looks like a normal move to me, I would probably rather play Rd8 but the engine literally says that Magnus' Rc8 was the better choice... I haven't heard any analyst complain about Rc8. Most commentators agree that the problems started after Ne8 and yes the position doesn't look particularly great before that but it's not particularly bad either, but Magnus is 300 Elo higher than his opponent so he should try unusual moves in this position like Ne8. The problem is in this game his opponent played perfectly from start to finish, had a bit of luck that the position allowed something like Ng5, and also had the audacity to try it.
@@SaiphxXx "Audacity" is the key word. The confidence to pursue an aggressive and dynamic but justified line of play is what has been sadly missing in Carlsen's challengers, especially in the championship matches.
so magnuts going insane now sees a watch and can no longer think.....like the guy is going to risk cheating with n millions watching his every move...quit drinking or see a shrink magnuts
I think Magnus is losing his touch overall. What with not participating in the world tournament, starts losing to lower rated players, starts accusing players of cheating I think he doesnt realize he can in fact actually really just shake his head and simply say "Guess I'm getting old". He thinks that since he's been world-champ multiple times, so losing is disgraceful and like letting his fans down. I think that pressure is just causing him to do and say ridiculous things, When in fact he could just shake his head and simply say "Guess I'm getting old".
You could be right he's not as sharp as before, but that's not actually the point. It looks like the watch wasn't legal unless specifically approved (and really why would it be?), and venue security was also weak.
Lol Magnus is still crushing the best in the world, this is such a weird take based on one game. And as Magnus said, he was distracted by the watch and probably on edge because of it.
From what I could tell he didn't accuse his opponent of cheating. He took responsibility for the loss by saying that he lost the ability to concentrate.
If magnus didnt play like ding he would not lost ratings Dont forget that magnus won 9/10 events he joined this year Like gct rapid blitz poland / croatia Classical= european team championship + gold medal 1st board + world cup and many online chess tour events…
Please... Some 2400 get more on some rapid games. Carlsen provided no real idea or attack in this game. All he did was playing passive and defensive moves. It is not too difficult for a strong GM, like his opponent, to find good moves here, and then Magnus made mistakes. Accusing him of cheating is really a stretch.
I understand where this is coming from. I wrote a long response, but it's not an attack to the original poster specifically, more to address the ideas it implies. Even decisive games usually have both opponents playing at the high 90s at this level. Carlsen, who lost this game, played at 92. Jerry's featured other games on this channel (where there was no allegation of cheating) where the accuracy of the winner was as high as 99%. If you wanted to allege cheating, accuracy could be used to sniff out sloppy cheaters but it would not catch someone who knows what they're doing. A grandmaster would only really need computer guidance for one, maybe two moves, at an opportune moment. They could then get an advantage which they could coast to victory on using their natural skill. Just one last point, there's nothing about Carlsen being a world champion (technically former world champ but I get your point, he easily could be) that would affect an opponent's accuracy. Maybe a newer player would be nervous and act up, but again at this level most of these guys have played Carlsen several times and would have their nerves steeled a bit more. If they were to choke under pressure, as per my previous point they would only need to slip up once to lose. It's not like Carlsen's presence is so intimidating that they're making blunders every other move with trembling hands and quivering lower lips.
The worse your opponent plays, the easier it is for you to make the right moves, and Carlsen repeatedly made moves which, while generally fine, constricted his own pieces. I've played a ton of 95+% accuracy games in rapid, and I'm a completely average player.
Magnus is the Jeff Bezos of Internet chess. Just like with Hans, this incident brings all of the “Magnus is a crybaby” anonymous chess critics who show their ignorance. MC has an ownership stake in the largest online chess business, the most lucrative endorsement deals of any chess player, and many other business interests associated with online chess. He has an obligation to make public statements like he did here after a game like this. It’s crazy (foolish, really) to think he really got out played by an IM at such a high accuracy. But, regardless of how you feel as a chess fan or whatever, try to recognize that by making public comments like he does- and he almost always comments on his games- he’s showing maturity, not immaturity or arrogance. He’s behaving not only as one of the best, arguably the best, chess player ever. He’s behaving like a multimillionaire business tycoon of the online chess world, which is most certainly is.
Tournaments with long time controls creates an environment ripe for cheating. I played someone who left to go to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes. The tournament director threw the complaint out the window after he asked if I had proof. Once the game was over I saw my opponent take his phone out of his pocket. He brought his phone into the bathroom every time.
"MC has an ownership stake in the largest online chess business, the most lucrative endorsement deals of any chess player, and many other business interests associated with online chess." ^^ All true. Regardless of how anyone feels about the monetarization of the greatest game of all, you'd think he'd have grown up by now.
Playing 97 percent is... Strange. Not impossible, but whatever. I'm just very suspicious of games like this considering how fide doesn't really care about cheating in general. Then again, Magnus played very poorly, so the 97 percent accuracy could easily be achievable. I mean look where he put the rooks and his queen. Pretty terrible spots if you ask me, a lowly 1632 player.
accuracy percents mean absolutely nothing. Magnus not accusing him of cheating. You are correct that Magnus got a garbage position out of the opening and thus was punished hard as white was able to coordinate an attack very well. One or two clever moves but a pretty standard GM level game from White
@@user-qg7nn7en1i still strange. I mean magnus got 91 percent accuracy as the best player in the world. Alisher, a 2500 gets 97 percent, so yes, strange.
Carlsen lost the game for crying out loud, he got crushed in fact. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the accuracy. Think critically and don't put Carlsen on a pedestal. Not to mention that when your opponent makes a huge blunder it's very easy to find the best moves. So of course his accuracy will be much higher.
I'm curious if Jerry will answer this. If you are reading this Jerry, do you think that there might have been cheating involved? I don't think it's fair for someone like me to even speculate too much, but this game does seem incredibly well executed. I mean it's one thing for anybody to beat Magnus, but a brand new GM crushing him this hard? It does rause an eyebrow or two.
No one credible thinks there's even a chance cheating was involved here. It's just a discussion about anti-cheating as a whole- MVL even spells it out well that the reason the discussion is important is to remove even the APPEARANCE of impropriety in games like this, so we can all enjoy brilliancies for what they are.
Carlsen does not think there was cheating involved. Evidence: he said his opponent "deserved" to win. Nobody would say that if they suspected cheating. I don't see why Jerry would have additional insight above what Carlsen thinks, though I obviously have no quarrel if you're still interested in Jerry's opinion.
There's a lot to say about this game but the one remark I want to add is that your assessment at 3:36 that gxf3 followed by Rg1 is good for white is incorrect. Considering the structure and the the placement of black's bishops it'll be extremely difficult for white to prove an advantage. Just to prove the point... after Rg1 black can actually 0-0! and if white plays Bh6 then g6! Bxf8?! Bxf8 and you suddenly realise white is actually in trouble. You know d5 is coming, you know a5 is coming, the structure is shite. This is a positive exchange sacrifice for black and with perfect play black wins this position. This is not merely my personal opinion. I'm using Chessify's super computer.
@@ChessNetwork I'll share the analysis I've done with you at lichess. It is somewhat arguable but I think you'll see that is anyone is better in this line, it's black.
Given how often Magnus Carlsen arrives late to his games, it's no wonder he considers a watch a big advantage.
Wow . ..very witty comment 😅
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Excellent comment
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You've won the comment section lol
I'm WATCHing and your title is a brilliancy
The way you visualize and discuss the variations of play is delightful. It’s calm, it’s jam packed with insight. I feel like I picked up some new visualization tricks just from watching. Thanks for taking the time to put in the work here.
0:42 I absolutely love this. You briefly mention the controversy behind the scenes for this game, then say "That’s not why we're here. We're here to learn chess."
Always my favorite chess analysis channel, Jerry! Phenomenal!
he saw a watch and "lost my ability to concentrate". just wow. What an excuse! Maybe he should have focused on the board instead of his opponent's attire.
I heard that Suleymenov's shirt vibrated during the game. Shirts are now banned.
Awesome game. I had already seen it tbh, but I like Jerry's presentation over every every other.
which move was the brilliancy?
All the bullet/rapid Magnus has been playing is influencing him to play more loose with his pieces. Usually he doesn’t get burnt like this but when you play with fire…
I'm glad he gave credit to the guy, but Magnus needs to quit making excuses and complaining about shit when he loses. I see Carlsen as the best chess player ever, not just alive, but my god he can't take a loss. An analog watch is perfectly fine to wear in a chess tournament. If that distracting you is why you claim you lost, you need to grow up.
Magnus is one anti-semitic comment away from pulling a full on Bobby Fisher career path.
Step 1 - become a world chess champion
Step 2 - Be hypersensitive and complain heavily to the tournament director about small things
Step 3 - Have a mental breakdown and reply to any media attention with controversial declarations until they leave you alone
Jerry. Thanks so much for presenting this game without diving deep into the controversy. Better IMO to study the game first before diving into the drama.
Might be the worst defeat of his career. He got utterly caboozled
I love that you provide subtitles now
Always love to see a smothered mate. Thank you, Jerry; I'll start thinking more about oft weak squares like f7. These videos you are making are the best.
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Thanks Jerry !!!! Brilliant Game and Analysis.
Great analysis of a wonderful and brave attack from the young Kazakhs GM. Thanks Jerry.
Great analysis Jerry thanks for the content as usual
Please don’t change a thing on how you present the material. The simple way you dissect the positions makes knowledge easier to digest.
Jerry can you PLEASE make a video about the amazing Match between Carlsen and Hikaru at the 2023 SCC Tournament? It was such a back and forth!
putting the queen and rook all boxed in looked bad and ended up fatal
I was waiting for this one. Thank you, Jerry :)
Man, crazy how one bad move is enough to lose the game. WP Suleymenov.
Great analysis thanks!
Watch or no watch, 97% accuracy against Magnus is no joke....
Is it not allowed for Magnus to ask Alisher to just take the watch off or did he feel he shouldn't have to?
Magnus asked the arbiter who told him he had allowed the watch.
You can’t talk to your opponent during the game. He didn’t notice the watch until during it
If he asked how at what else would he put the blame for his defeat?!
Great attacking game to restrict minor pieces moves. Must rewatch. A bit deep for a beginner…
your explanation is too good request you make too many such videos
I would have told Carlson that this is just my Chat GBT watch not an engine
Guys you are misenterpreting what Magnus said. He clearly accepted the defeat and the excellent game of his opponent. He just complaint about the watch that shouldn't be there and obviously he has a sensitive soft spot there. Do not forget that he says what he thinks in the good and the bad without filter! And lastly, he is a super genius and we shouldn't try to adjust his way of thinking to our way of thinking.
This is an extremely terrible idea. Someone who is a genius in one area is not a genius in all areas. Bobby Fischer was an antisemitic monster, but a chess genius, should what "he says what he thinks... without filter" be considered a good thing? Should we not try to adjust that way of thinking?
@@press_x_tojason Now you oversimplify. Magnus was not appeared yesterday and as far as I remember noone had any problem with his raw honesty, not to mention that he has lost enough games and this is not his first defeat. What I mean is that genius with a very big IQ, one way or another is in the spectrum of autism, and you cannot expect to have the same behavior with the majority of us; they experience the relations from a different perspective. So to conclude, his raw honesty is the proof that what he said for his opponent (excellent play) and his soft spot with cheating are ALL 100% true, without any hint to doubt his opponent win.
@@press_x_tojason Fischer was not an antisemitic monster. He was anti-zionist and felt bad for the Palestinians.
Some say this match is a trickiest in 2023
13:20 🤣 Maybe Magnus showed up to the wrong tournament; What do you mean this isn't Fischer random?
Magnus played surprisingly well being two rooks down. Rare to see Magnus being outplayed like this.
Knight on b or g file suggests it's 9LX. I figure this is the same reason Wesley So lost to Alexey Sarana in 2023 fide world cup - like is playing too much 9LX.
According to Hikaru Nakamura, these tournaments have meetings beforehand where they go over the rules, etc., and Magnus did not attend. If you have any issues with any rules in any contest, you need to address them before you participate, otherwise, do not participate. It is that simple. Magnus is a sore loser and this was another low-class move forever tainting yet another player's reputation by making a baseless accusation/implication.
Your crusade against Carlson is invalidating your points:
1)Carlson explicitly stated that Suleymenov is NOT at fault on multiple occasions. He complimented him ffs!
2) in the FIDE regulations it is explicitly stated that watches should not be allowed (this is ignored in this tournament)
3)Carlson also did not protest against any rule of the tournament! what he did was accusing the organizers for not taking cheating seriously by ignoring the FIDE regulations.
@@AsaniSywenI don't know anything about the other user's crusade against Carlsen, but as someone who has not commented about Carlsen before, I think it's pretty obvious Carlsen was a sore loser here. "This is not to accuse my opponent of anything, ... but" proceeds to blame his loss on losing his ability to focus because his opponent was wearing a watch. The implication is that he would have focused-and therefore not lost as he did-if his opponent had not worn a watch. So at the very least, he is tarnishing his opponent's victory by claiming that it was enabled by outside factors.
Major sore loser man baby energy from Magnus on this one.
@@papaboris8665 dude, your logic is false. Carlsen never said or 'implied' that if Suleymenov wasn't wearing a watch Carlsen would have won. That is your (false) assumption.
Carlsen only blamed himself. he blamed his own inability to focus.
you are changing the premise 'Carlsen lost because he couldn't focus' to 'Carlsen lost because his opponent was wearing a watch'
Carlsen does not think there was cheating involved. He even said Suleymenov 'deserved' that win. i don't know how much clearer that can be.
@@AsaniSywenIt was a pretty backhanded compliment tbh. He didn't accuse suleymenov of cheating, but he basically said that he lost because he was distracted by the possibility of cheating. And there's a history behind this that will cause some people to wonder if suleymenov is cheating, tainting what is no doubt the greatest achievement of his career. Magnus could have addressed this matter in a different way, without blowing it up on social media
@@sethsmith6042 lol, you guys really want that he accuses another player of cheating?
If you think that:
'my opponent played an amazing game and deserved that win' means that 'my opponent cheated',
or that 'I couldn't focus' means 'my opponent cheated'
that is YOUR problem, not Carlsen.
He literally stated that he couldn't focus because of the ORGANISERS not taking anti-cheating seriously!
... Ne7 lost him the game. I wonder how hard it is to deviate from chess principles and accept that you have to take on the doubled e pawns. Seemed like he had no counterplay at all after that move. Also what was the point of ... Qb8? Seems like a really counterintuitive move boxing yourself in like that.
The pure, almost simple, path to annhilation is reminiscent of some of Fischer's gems against the best players in the world. In today's world of "silicone coaches," you hardly never see wipeouts at the highest level..... until now.
I really don’t understand that Ba6 “finesse” in the opening… as White I’m happy to develop my Queen to c2 to support e4. Kinda ridiculous.
Edit: Looking through the game with an engine, …Ne8 is definitely the worst move played which cost the game, but I also think …d5 was really poor defense, …Rd8 works much better there.
the Q on c2 makes playing d5 pretty much impossible for white which is black's biggest concern. White can always play e4 eventually but now the queen is not well placed on c2 as there's a half open file against it and it is staring at the e4 pawn.
In an alternate universe:
Carlsen: "Do you mind removing your watch during the game? I'd feel more comfortable"
Suleymenov: "Sure, no problem"
I don't know exactly how this went down, but had such a polite, direct request been refused by Suleymenov, he would be automatically be found guilty in the court of public opinion. I can't help but wonder if this is just another case of people forgetting how to communicate with other human beings, and instead choosing to appeal directly to authority figures. And when they don't get what they want, ranting on social media. For so many people this seems to be their only way of dealing with interpersonal problems.
There’s rules to professional chess. Money is at stake. Players can’t talk to each other.
Yes and vax too
In carlsens defense he actually asked the arbiter who told him too bad it's allowed
The universe where he asks his opponent that gets him at minimum a warning from the TD. That's very clearly against tournament rules.
@@Math.Bandit Thats some dumb fucking rules
Excuse me, sir, do you Have The Time?
Crazy. Gods do bleed.
Crushing victory!!
Great game - Carlsen is a whiner when he loses
Oh yeah such an invalid complaint that his opponent is wearing a watch that he's not supposed to be in a game where distractions WILL cause negative impacts to your play when that distraction causes such a decisive loss. What a whiner.
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.@@cappyricks942
@@cappyricks942 oh yeah magnusfanboism right there, enjoy ur defeat son!
Why 12. Rd1 instead of long castling?
edit: Watching further, I see that white wanted to kingside castle.
The safer shelter for the white king is on the kingside where the f, g & h pawns remain on home base.
GG. Simply better play
I was very concerned about hans niemann cheating scandal, and I think there is a real possibility he did cheat vs magnus and other times. This time white moves are so natural and humanlike that even if that's cheating, there's no way we can argue about that. So please just cut all the possibilities and take serious anti-cheating procedures. So we can live and feel a brilliancy as a brilliancy and just be amazed about it, now we don't even know what to feel anymore, come on for real?
A great start to my morning when you post your thoughts on a brilliancy. Thanks again for your excellent commentary.
Where did Magnus go wrong in this game?
Ne8 was a terrible move. Objectively he just played a subpar opening and underestimated his opponent.
Assuming all he had to do was show up to win.
@@hmartinlb Magnus is overrated. Bobby Fischer is the Best.
"Nice watch. What's that brand called?" "Fishy."
I'm new,,, how would you cheat with an analog watch?
Many analog watches have electronic components, even though they look analog.
1) it can be smart watch 2) it can commect to bluetooth
@@innosantothats why watchs are forbidden normally
It does not even have to feed him the moves. Small vibrations may be conveyed from an interaction between a radiowave transmitter and receiver at the right time alerting you when you should be looking for tactical advantages, which are enough for most professional players to find out the right combination of moves. It is like solving a chess puzzle. The trick does not lie in solving the chess puzzle, it lies in using technology to realise that you are looking at one.
@@chinmayaprakash sounds like a psychological disease to me. Extreme paranoia. He didn't cheat with some high-tech radio hidden inside a working watch. wow.
I think wrong rook placement early on lost magnus this game
Yeah, his queen was entombed between his poorly placed rooks even 1000 rated players wouldn't do that. It's no wonder Hikaru flamed him for even insinuating Sulymenov was possibly cheating by wearing a watch.
Magnus can't blame his loss but he can still call out. I am sure many are uncomfortable but would go unheard if they speak
He tried something new. We can say it?
Aaaaand the day is saved
Cool game
Seems like Magnus was too ambitious with black pieces.
I don't think Suleymenov cheated, but Magnus is not wrong. It would be easy to hide a receiver in a watch that looks analog.
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in a contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.
You could also hide one in a thigh ban, unless you propose strip searching before the match?
Magnus was right. The arbiter should have made his opponent take off the watch.
Rook c8 by black, just looks ugly. But honestly, by move 14, whites position just looks so much better. So many of whites pieces are just gunning blacks king side. Meanwhile, blacks main pieces are huddled in a corner just cowering.
Magnus made it quite easy for his opponent. I am really not good at this game but had a bad feeling when Magnus put his queen and rook so far to the queen side. They had no real influence on the game after that. Brilliancy meets carelessness.
E5 wins games
as usual outstanding work by Jerry, great teacher of the game to Everyone that he is
it's really sad to see arguably the greatest chess player of all time taking so much criticism for stating what should be obvious: that cheating via engines must be taken seriously or global competitive chess will be destroyed by it
too many people want hate on the greats of their time because they are insecure about how mediocre their own accomplishments seem by comparison. they don't care about the game or anything besides their own fragile egos. the internet gives them a voice and they form their echo chambers where they think because so many stupid mfers agree they must all be right. we used to be able to ignore the village idiot now they form groups smh
Well, Magnus starts to build up a reputation of falsely accusing people of cheating, which is as damaging to the chess sport as cheating itself. So, this behaviour must not be tolerated as well. Magnus needs to learn how to take a loss like a good sports man.
Him waiting until after the fact only comes across as sour grapes.
did he? or were there not obvious cheaters who used engines to beat him at times?? don't be dense
you can fit a computer stronger than the ones that we used for the moon landings in a watch, security being so lax is a sign that they are not taking the problem seriously at all, thats all he's saying
you are missing the forest for the trees
Carlsen is going to have to continue to attend these events, for the money and the status, and he's simply going to lose more and more of the games if he doesn't start taking the tournaments, and especially the players, seriously. He saw the watch at the start of the game, he thought nothing of it, he thought he was better than his opponent, and he got outplayed... again.
Carlsen is an egotist.
Again? He gets outplayed in bery very few games. Which mag be bad plays
Again? Tf you mean
Carlsen literally won every event he has joined like 9-10
Including world cup which is also open
He also gained dozens of rating
He also played European champ, he became one with team he also played low rated
Imagine watching Magnus and knowing what you are actually talking about instead of talking trash. Go troll somewhere else.
Bold knights.
If Carlsen really wanted to make a stand, he should have refused to play from the very start. It surely won't look good to become the herald of anti-cheating only after losing games. This kind of half-measures only deliver half-messages that are harmful to everyone, including himself, who seems to be a sore loser more and more.
Carlsen didn't instantly realize that the presence of the watch would be distracting. Perhaps he thought he'd be able to move past it. That may be why he didn't refuse to play from the beginning. It is normal to not always anticipate how things will affect your concentration.
It is normal for players to share their thoughts about their games afterwards. That is what Carlsen did. You seem to have no legitimate criticism of Carlsen's behaviour.
And then there are the hordes of self-important nobodies who think their opinion on Carlsen matters in the slightest.
He did ask the arbitrator if the watch is against the rules.
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Loved seen carlsen get crushed like that if not enough humiliation included with 15:23 Bxb5 😂😂 LOVED
all of magnus moves were bad, self-suffocating retreiving moves, in his own last 2 ranks...
If you don't charge forward, your opponent will.
Your opponent is not hanging around for a cup of coffee, while Magnus practices his unconvetional chess moves.. 😝
Yeah he also played a bad opening. He should just take the L.
bro teaches chess to magnus
Carlsen really needs to stop with this "meddlesome priest" scrub stuff
Carlsen is reaching DarkSydePhil's levels of scrub behavior. You NEVER go full DSP!
Irritated by opponent's watch
😂
Key word
Smartwatch
@@hansg6015no. Analog watch. I mean it's possible that it was some kind of smart device disguised as an analog watch. I'm not really sure, all I know is that this Alisher guy just became a grandmaster this year, and this game feels a little too perfect. But hey, even I have some pretty amazing games (relative to my skill level) on occasion, so who knows?
@@ghost79ish analog > anal beads
Well, first things first. If indeed the venue forbad “watches”, then White did cheat. Period. Myself I don’t see the harm in a non-ticking watch; but perhaps the rule was made to forbid watches generally simply to prevent loopholes.
I’m not a particular fan of Carlsen’s; nevertheless I see, in fairness, an unfortunately null game for White no matter how brilliantly played.
The venue didn't forbid it, which is the problem. The anti-cheating rules of chess forbid it, but the arbiter allowed it.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 I didn’t accuse anybody of anything.
You don’t think “forbad” is a word, sir? It is.
Kindly think before you engage in knee-jerk competitiveness.
One time for the haters so maybe they can understand why Magnus would tweet this knowing his detractors will attack him for it.
Magnus did not accuse his opponent of cheating he did the exact opposite and gave him credit for playing a great game. This is the best player in the world, and likely the only one who would get tournament organizers to listen, taking care of and looking out for the future of the game he has dedicated his life to playing. Tournament chess will cease to exist if tournament organizers do not start taking potential cheating as serious as USADA takes PED use in sports for instance. Magnus literally is putting himself out there to take flak in order to protect the future of chess.
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It just so happens that whenever Magnus takes these brave stances to protect the future of chess, its always after a loss.
@@kimi3421 You are able to comprehend that a player is going to HAVE TO WIN and likely do so in dominant engine like fashion for whispers of them potentially using an engine to occur, right? I would have hoped so without it being said but apparently not.
Additionally, I feel required to point out that acting like it's some sort of "gotcha" because this occurred when Magnus's opponent won is outright moronic(to put it as kindly as possible).
People who are so eager to hate on uber successful people like Magnoose just reek of jealousy and come off as about as outright pathetic as it gets.
Alishev touched his watch everytime before playing
Also he literally got 0 wins after defeating magnus ( which is after they add 15 min delay AND no watch policy as watchs are forbidden it should be in the first place)
Also there is a FM who defetaed fedoseev and he lost 4 in a row after delay
How is it that Carlsen is a world champion but every time I see some video on him he’s getting crushed by someone? Is there some sort of online hatred on this guy? Just curious.
well, the thing is that if you are number 1 then people will focus more on your defeats
People like jerry and other creators only share when he lose
He has won 9 tournaments out of 10 in this year including world cup
Everyone said “ its carlsen and he won nice “
But when he doesnt win 1 event everyone says “ he fell off “
Everyone loses but only magnus’ lost is news
@markrobertson3054 Are you sure I only share when Magnus loses? 🤔
2nd : Hey Jerry since you're American, what do you think is Magnus' beef with Americans like Hans, Maxim Dlugy, Danya, Wesley So, Larry Kaufman, John Chernoff, Fabi, Ben Finegold, Ben Johnson, Eric Rosen, Maurice, et al?
I'll tell you what my beef with Ben Finegold specifically: behind the facade of haha le funny chess man, he's just a spiteful little thing who's envious and fakes humility despite never being nearly as good as he thinks he should have been.
@@fakeplaystore7991
Hi Magnus! Stop being discriminatory towards Jewish or American players. Kidding. Well thanks for your honesty. But do you hate Magnus for baselessly accusing or cheating Jewish-or-American players like Hans, Alisha, Alireza (MVL is Jewish), Anish, Maxim Dlugy, Wesley So, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Danya 2x, Sergey Karjakin, Nepo, et al? Or otherwise discriminating against them eg that incident with Maurice?
@@fakeplaystore7991
Btw what's your opinion of ben Finegold's recent video on Wesley So where e goes through Wesley So's Wikipedia page and stuff?
(Note : I didn't finish watching the video, but I did make a lot of the Wikipedia edits that Ben finegold talks about.)
oh no, the wall of crazy again! you are a lost soul sir. get something to do with your life that actually has a meaning . hans is a toxic cheater and shame on you for using So in the same sentence as him.Magnus doesnt have any beaf with Fabi or So, and Fabi + So were the ones triggering the cheating allegations against hans! Not to mention Hans BANNED YOU from his twitch channel. go touch grass
what's your opinion re Ben's recent video on Wesley So where Ben goes though Wesley's Wikipedia page?
I'm not sure I've ever seen a position at this level of play that was so one-sidedly tactically rich. Carlsen's Qb8 was an awful move, and then he poured gasoline on the fire with Rc8. Suleymenov seized the opening and absolutely whupped him.
And Magnus looked like a crybaby afterwards, while that kid will never forget obliterating one of the best ever.
Great analysis as always, Jerry. Thanks.
I am the worst chess player in the world. But even I know, that Gary Kasparow played like white in this game. There is no watch necessary to know this. 🤔 I guess it was Gary....
You have to WATCH this video ~(;
It was an Apple Watch running stocksifh 😹😹😹
Magnus is about to cry everytime he looses in style)))
queens indian has been refuted by alpha zero...wrong choice of opening for magnus
He wasn’t playing alpha zero…
Alpha zero is refuting all openings
It's strange how long Magnus can last against Stockfish 😳
SF is now over 4k rating... we humans are nothing against it.
Tournaments should be uniform in enforcement but carlsen waiting until right after he loses a game to speak up is the reason people throwing unfounded shade
He spoke with the arbitrator during/before the game and was told the watch could stay.
He spoke up during the game.
This is a dumb take. He literally spoke with an arbitor about it. Like how could he speak up any sooner? Do you want him to go and tweet in the middle of the game?
The rules allow for analog watches. If you have any problem with any rule in a contest you need to address it BEFORE you participate, otherwise, do not participate in that contest.@@noone-ld7pt
Not to mention, he caused HUGE problems for Hans Nieman because Magnus just can't accept he won't win every game against someone rated lower than himself. He's always got some excuse. I'm over that crybaby shit.
Bobby Fischer is the best chess player ever. Magnus is a multimillionaire online chess tycoon, who happens to be the best chess player around today. You fail to see how MC’s comments/behaviors are exactly how successful business leaders create culture and set expectations; basically, you don’t even understand the context of what’s happening here.
I'm sorry but somebody has to say it; Alisher played NORMAL GM CHESS.
Carlsen's positional play is just flat out STUPID in this game; It's almost Completely Lost after he moves the Rook to C8. The engine evaluation may not reflect it but that's just because...
a) Engines can play 8 straight only moves to untangle
b) There is still a Horizon Effect with engines and so Even the most UpTo Date Stockfish might get his rook Positionally Trapped in the middle game against Leela for example.
Carlsen's opponent did NOT show me ANY great moves to get this game to the point where it was totally losing for the world number one.
Lmao you know internet went too far when a random dude not only claims that Magnus' positional play is "stupid", but also claims that ENGINES don't understand the position either... Rc8 looks like a normal move to me, I would probably rather play Rd8 but the engine literally says that Magnus' Rc8 was the better choice... I haven't heard any analyst complain about Rc8. Most commentators agree that the problems started after Ne8 and yes the position doesn't look particularly great before that but it's not particularly bad either, but Magnus is 300 Elo higher than his opponent so he should try unusual moves in this position like Ne8. The problem is in this game his opponent played perfectly from start to finish, had a bit of luck that the position allowed something like Ng5, and also had the audacity to try it.
@@SaiphxXx "Audacity" is the key word. The confidence to pursue an aggressive and dynamic but justified line of play is what has been sadly missing in Carlsen's challengers, especially in the championship matches.
horrible chess from carlsen gz alisher!
Carlsen opponent did not show any great moves.
Yeah, right! Like is "normal" for ANY gm to have a 97% accuracy. 😂
He didnt play well
Well, Alisher was wearing a wrist watch. Everybody knows watches distract people....haha
Remember, women can't wear low cut blouses in chess tournaments because showing cleavage is DISTRACTING. LOL
Magnus Carlsen is just too vain and he already proved that he's a bad loser back in the game against Niemann.
Hans, the admitted and proven cheater?
@@RehcamretsneFIt was never proven that he cheated magnus fanboi
@@anshuman8147except he did in online chess matches... so hmmmm
he said he didn’t think Alisher cheated
It's a backhanded accusation/implication which casts doubt on his opponent. A total low-class, sore loser move. @@flame0154
so magnuts going insane now sees a watch and can no longer think.....like the guy is going to risk cheating with n millions watching his every move...quit drinking or see a shrink magnuts
Watch are forbidden
Juan Pablo Montoya once said that it was really easy to get into the heads of European drivers...
@@markrobertson3054 Gary Kasparov also used to wear one also in major tournaments.
I think Magnus is losing his touch overall.
What with not participating in the world tournament, starts losing to lower rated players, starts accusing players of cheating
I think he doesnt realize he can in fact actually really just shake his head and simply say "Guess I'm getting old".
He thinks that since he's been world-champ multiple times, so losing is disgraceful and like letting his fans down.
I think that pressure is just causing him to do and say ridiculous things,
When in fact he could just shake his head and simply say "Guess I'm getting old".
You could be right he's not as sharp as before, but that's not actually the point. It looks like the watch wasn't legal unless specifically approved (and really why would it be?), and venue security was also weak.
You obviously don’t play much if you believe Magnus became the greatest chess player without losing games
Lol Magnus is still crushing the best in the world, this is such a weird take based on one game. And as Magnus said, he was distracted by the watch and probably on edge because of it.
No one tell him about Bobby Fisher his head would explode lol
From what I could tell he didn't accuse his opponent of cheating. He took responsibility for the loss by saying that he lost the ability to concentrate.
Methinks this was a little too brilliant.
based on what?
@@KurtGodel-po3zl2 moves are a lottle unusual maybe one. But most moves were ok
That was cheating for sure
How i can see the chess board if you put transcript on the screan
You must have CC on. Click CC to turn off.
If magnus didnt play like ding he would not lost ratings
Dont forget that magnus won 9/10 events he joined this year
Like gct rapid blitz poland / croatia
Classical= european team championship + gold medal 1st board + world cup and many online chess tour events…
the only time magnus does not cry after loosing a game to wesley so
97% accuracy against the world champ, yeah right
Please... Some 2400 get more on some rapid games. Carlsen provided no real idea or attack in this game. All he did was playing passive and defensive moves. It is not too difficult for a strong GM, like his opponent, to find good moves here, and then Magnus made mistakes. Accusing him of cheating is really a stretch.
I understand where this is coming from. I wrote a long response, but it's not an attack to the original poster specifically, more to address the ideas it implies.
Even decisive games usually have both opponents playing at the high 90s at this level. Carlsen, who lost this game, played at 92. Jerry's featured other games on this channel (where there was no allegation of cheating) where the accuracy of the winner was as high as 99%.
If you wanted to allege cheating, accuracy could be used to sniff out sloppy cheaters but it would not catch someone who knows what they're doing. A grandmaster would only really need computer guidance for one, maybe two moves, at an opportune moment. They could then get an advantage which they could coast to victory on using their natural skill.
Just one last point, there's nothing about Carlsen being a world champion (technically former world champ but I get your point, he easily could be) that would affect an opponent's accuracy. Maybe a newer player would be nervous and act up, but again at this level most of these guys have played Carlsen several times and would have their nerves steeled a bit more. If they were to choke under pressure, as per my previous point they would only need to slip up once to lose. It's not like Carlsen's presence is so intimidating that they're making blunders every other move with trembling hands and quivering lower lips.
The worse your opponent plays, the easier it is for you to make the right moves, and Carlsen repeatedly made moves which, while generally fine, constricted his own pieces. I've played a ton of 95+% accuracy games in rapid, and I'm a completely average player.
The fact that disgusting Carlsen get crushed is music to my ears
Why?
Strange game. I don't blame carlson
Magnus is the Jeff Bezos of Internet chess. Just like with Hans, this incident brings all of the “Magnus is a crybaby” anonymous chess critics who show their ignorance.
MC has an ownership stake in the largest online chess business, the most lucrative endorsement deals of any chess player, and many other business interests associated with online chess. He has an obligation to make public statements like he did here after a game like this.
It’s crazy (foolish, really) to think he really got out played by an IM at such a high accuracy. But, regardless of how you feel as a chess fan or whatever, try to recognize that by making public comments like he does- and he almost always comments on his games- he’s showing maturity, not immaturity or arrogance.
He’s behaving not only as one of the best, arguably the best, chess player ever. He’s behaving like a multimillionaire business tycoon of the online chess world, which is most certainly is.
Tournaments with long time controls creates an environment ripe for cheating.
I played someone who left to go to the bathroom every 15-20 minutes. The tournament director threw the complaint out the window after he asked if I had proof.
Once the game was over I saw my opponent take his phone out of his pocket. He brought his phone into the bathroom every time.
_It’s crazy (foolish, really) to think he really got out played by an IM at such a high accuracy_
he just did
what are you talking about?
"MC has an ownership stake in the largest online chess business, the most lucrative endorsement deals of any chess player, and many other business interests associated with online chess."
^^ All true.
Regardless of how anyone feels about the monetarization of the greatest game of all, you'd think he'd have grown up by now.
Ummmm, Jeff Bezos is a corrupt scumbag...yeah, I agree, Magnus is the Bezos of chess.
Playing 97 percent is... Strange. Not impossible, but whatever. I'm just very suspicious of games like this considering how fide doesn't really care about cheating in general.
Then again, Magnus played very poorly, so the 97 percent accuracy could easily be achievable. I mean look where he put the rooks and his queen. Pretty terrible spots if you ask me, a lowly 1632 player.
accuracy percents mean absolutely nothing. Magnus not accusing him of cheating. You are correct that Magnus got a garbage position out of the opening and thus was punished hard as white was able to coordinate an attack very well. One or two clever moves but a pretty standard GM level game from White
@@user-qg7nn7en1i still strange. I mean magnus got 91 percent accuracy as the best player in the world. Alisher, a 2500 gets 97 percent, so yes, strange.
Carlsen lost the game for crying out loud, he got crushed in fact. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the accuracy. Think critically and don't put Carlsen on a pedestal.
Not to mention that when your opponent makes a huge blunder it's very easy to find the best moves. So of course his accuracy will be much higher.
I'm curious if Jerry will answer this. If you are reading this Jerry, do you think that there might have been cheating involved? I don't think it's fair for someone like me to even speculate too much, but this game does seem incredibly well executed. I mean it's one thing for anybody to beat Magnus, but a brand new GM crushing him this hard? It does rause an eyebrow or two.
Not jerry but magnus isn't perfect so of course he makes mistakes, I think he tangled up his pieces too much and his opponent punished that.
No one credible thinks there's even a chance cheating was involved here. It's just a discussion about anti-cheating as a whole- MVL even spells it out well that the reason the discussion is important is to remove even the APPEARANCE of impropriety in games like this, so we can all enjoy brilliancies for what they are.
Carlsen does not think there was cheating involved. Evidence: he said his opponent "deserved" to win. Nobody would say that if they suspected cheating.
I don't see why Jerry would have additional insight above what Carlsen thinks, though I obviously have no quarrel if you're still interested in Jerry's opinion.
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There's a lot to say about this game but the one remark I want to add is that your assessment at 3:36 that gxf3 followed by Rg1 is good for white is incorrect.
Considering the structure and the the placement of black's bishops it'll be extremely difficult for white to prove an advantage.
Just to prove the point... after Rg1 black can actually 0-0! and if white plays Bh6 then g6! Bxf8?! Bxf8 and you suddenly realise white is actually in trouble. You know d5 is coming, you know a5 is coming, the structure is shite. This is a positive exchange sacrifice for black and with perfect play black wins this position.
This is not merely my personal opinion. I'm using Chessify's super computer.
I didn’t say it was good. I described it as a very lively position.
@@ChessNetwork I'll share the analysis I've done with you at lichess. It is somewhat arguable but I think you'll see that is anyone is better in this line, it's black.